Simple Plasma Ignition - Cable Comparison
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- Опубліковано 5 січ 2017
- Standard carbon core vs. copper core ignition cable on simple plasma ignition system. Does cable core matter?
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Very useful, made me realize the importance of spark plugs.
Muchas Gracias.
De Colombia.
Salud y Éxitos.!
Hi there Okki,thank you so much for sharing your great spark plug ideas,thank you.
You are welcome!
That was a really good demonstration, thank you.
You are welcome!
Top Mr. Okki, Brasil te respeita muito por seus compartilhamentos!
Top Mr. Okki, Brazil respects you very much for your shares!
Thanks Aroldo! Send my regards to the people of Brazil..!
It is very clear to see the copper core cable is giving the better spark.
Hurray! Looks like you made a HID lamp :)
Incredible. Very good.
I have created a special condenser wire, and called them "thunder conductor", with them is such a loud and bright spark. I installed this on the car, made two runs on efficiency and acceleration. In both cases, the car drove the same way, but with the wires "thunder" despite the fact that they are shielded, part of my electronics has received a temporary failure. Conclusion-it does not work, the standard system copes with it 100%.
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Im E.J. continue your research I'll make sure you can turn a door knob the right way ... don't lose your grip thanks 4 your work
Thank you!
Nice plasma sir
Pertamax7 ok pan :p
Mantap bang,,
Meskipun saya ngk tau mksudnya 👍
great presentation, thank you. , Where are the capacitors wired from ? Is it just a loop added to the existing system ?
Thank you! Yes, just connect the capacitor to your existing system.
케페시터 스펙을 정확히 기록해주세요.. 15Kv 73pF? 사진을 찍던가?!. 아니면 기록을 보려주던가?
I want to know if being placed on a vehicle will affect its spark detonation or more if it will affect the cylinder itself because it is more powerful or an anticipated detonating blow will be more affected
Your design is very instructive thanks for your knowledge and contribution
This will make better combustion, cleaner exhaust gas, more engine power and better fuel economy. You are welcome.
@@OkkiMoeljadi What you use are ceramic capacitors or what capacitor measurement do you use to achieve that continuous arc effect thanks friend
Om great video, how long will the capacitor last? If we add capacitor into 4 spark plugs, how do we know if one of the capacitor not working? Is there any way to check instead changing all 4?
Thank you! If one of the capacitor is not working, you can see that the spark is weak or even no spark. Just connect one cable to a free sparkplug outside the engine one at a time and check out the spark intensity.
good work
You understand electronics and you speak two languages, thats very impressive. Post more cool videos
Thanks Isaac. My intention on this channel is to share my knowledge. And I know that my knowledge is very limited.
Hola que tipo de caracitor usaste? Que número?
Genial.
Deberías colocar las dos bujías en un tubo o campana de cristal y sellarlo al vacío así la luz seria mas intensa .... hasta pidrias generar un escudo
In this test you connected the capacitors directly to the spak plug. I think that if you connect the capacitors at the other end of the cable, it will have a worse spark than without the capacitors where the resistive cable is used.
I think this for the video Resistor Vs. Non-Resistor Spark Plug, where the resistance of the spark plug is considered, which in parallel with the capacitors. In this video configuration, the resistance of the cable is not connected in parallel with the capacitors.
Am I right with this reasoning?
tiene el plano de fabrication?
can you try it under pressur?
masangae piye iku kang, kaki kapasitor kmn aja?
plisss reply
Kapasitornya dipasang secara paralel dengan busi.
Satu ke kabel busi satu ke massa gitu kah?
Iya, betul.
Sa okki we have a problem in my car.we use the car in the ramp,we living te hesititate in the car with plasma ignition.what cause it?
How could i transfer this to a 2 stroke 80cc bike motor
Plugs are rated for a certain voltage you should not exede,
If you do so, the plug 's life will be shorten as far as half.
So instead of 100 000 miles, you get 50 000 miles about 3 years.
François D they only need to last a quarter mile.
3 years for a couple bucks. Oh lord idk if I’ll ever make the money to buy more
Good idea but, spark plugs come in different heat ranges manufactured for typical 12vdc systems. It is possible to burn a hole in the top of the Piston with too hot of a sparkplug.
in the older engines with points and condensers, the sparks were not always so good and so systems to improve spark duration did help poorly designed engines burn the fuel better, but in modern effecient engines useing unleaded petrol, electronic ignition, fuel injection all run by an ecu, i doubt there are gains to be had.
this will not alter the heat range of the plug, anyway the ecu will prevent pinking which causes the holes in pistons
I think gains depend on the technology of the engine. I believe the newer coil on plug stuff would beneifit way less than a 60's engine. On a ford 390 i built, stock heads, mild cam, and a relatively tight quench with a 9.6:1 compression it made the difference on breaking axles vs not. That truck was ran over 2 years unchanged with the same gear/tire combo in sled pulling competitions. I switched to a MSD style ignition and a matching high ouput coil and it snapped a axle, fixed, snapped the other side, fixed and continued to snap every time the sled hit from there out until the dana 60 was replaced with a dana 70. So it made enough difference to where the 60 rear could hold it for 15-20 pulls until i changed over to a better ignition, then it would snap.
Are you creating a continuous plasma field at ambient pressure & temperature?
No, this is pulsed plasma.
Привет! If we will make gigant analogous thing, then how could we use it? Спасибо!🙂
sdh saya aplikasikan ke mesin mobil hasilnya mantab
Selamat!
Great .What could the temperature be between the two spark plugs?
I don't know.
You need to teach us how make this cool stuff dude.
Just browse my videos, I have shared all information on this channel.
@@OkkiMoeljadi thanks a lot bro. 👍
@@nitin1620e o cara!!!
Hi Dr. Nick!!!
Iki tehnologi busi warnane apik mbriru tukune nangdee
Смысл в использования в двс, это запуск на стоковой подачи и на плавное переключение на п , но лично моё мнение это даст только быстрое использование второго такта двс при минимальном кпд ! Нужно увеличить все так такты.
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What are the values of the individual capacitors you have soldered in series. You know that that drops the total capacitance, right? To raise capacitance you have to wire the capacitors in parallel.
he said they are 73 pico farad ( pf ) often pronounced puff, they need to be rated at about 8000v, 8kv as the ht from ignition coil is about 25,000v
yes what you said is right, he did it for the voltage, the average electronics shop doesnt stock capacitors rated at 25kv
How come it didn't burn the wood ?
Can we use only one spark to make model
5:00
Camera from interference crackled, the noise level exceeds the norm and can not be operated
Can v fit in hivolte capaciter in bike
Use electronic could better, normal coil out spark voltage is around 18to 25kv, electronic coil can reach 35to41kv n less amps can spark out the min volume in low compression camber n high to work, too strong sparkling better ideas using for rich burn ; carburetor car n motorcycles emissions,if you wanted to test, please adjust gap spark to 110to140mm, you can feel different at high rpm range
is this applicable on scooters too? if yes, can i install it directly from the cdi or directly to the coil? tnx
I think so. I have posted all my info. All you need to do is just follow the schematic.
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do u think i have to use a non resistor spark pugs or no matter?
Yes, you have to use non-resistor spark plugs.
That'll make your car stereo go "bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzttttttttttttttttttttt"
its not only about achieving nice thick static spark not in combustion environment. In a car, especially in a modern car you must have very precise ignition timing and especially at high rpm. Everyone can optimize their spark with better plug, better wire and better coil, but only to a certain point and sometimes the output driver in the ECU cant handle all three to be optimized at the same time, not to mention going further.
opexo u got it right but it is not the purpose of the video. U have ur point but what the video wants us to know is simply how to have a brighter spark. Period. Thanks to the uploader.
Show a Diagram of an 8 Cylinder motor . Possibly a COMPACT Version Thank You
like your post om
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Thanks om Dantos Rock. 😊
Wow
It does not really matter what you do . The problem with plugs are in the engine. The crossflows in the chamber bends the spark so corrosion and carbon build up occurs . Hence the destruction of the tip. In 1991 I created a double platinum ball tipped spark plug which is self cleaning and withstands the turbulence in the chamber. Fords buried it. I still have them, and video of them. You can see it on line under platinum ball tipped spark plugs.
I agree. But the problems are not only in the engine, but also in the fuel itself. Gasoline in liquid form is a big problem for the engine. I have tried gasoline vapor on my car. What I can say is I could not smell anything from the exhaust pipe. The exhaust smell was just gone after about 30 minutes of running with only gasoline vapor. Unfortunately I could not finish my research in this system. At the moment I have other things which are more important to do. Anyway here is a video of my gasoline vapor system: ua-cam.com/video/JkStHHH9wUM/v-deo.html
If you use FPC fuel catalyst it stops plugs from being clogged or damaged by carbon. It also removes carbon from the piston, rings, exhaust sensors & system.
If you use FPC fuel catalyst it stops plugs from being clogged or damaged by carbon. It also removes carbon from the piston, rings, exhaust sensors & system.
Copper core or stainless core non resistor leads are the best. But if you need to suppress EMF to protect electronic ignitions or electronic fuel injections systems etc the best leads to use are the spiral wire ignition leads. The have a wire winding of 120 turns per inch around the carbon or silicone core & that suppresses the EMF.
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Desenha o diagrama...
Ok...
Ótimo vídeo!
Brasil.
Mas kapasitir bujhya nyedot aki ya klo mesin mati
capacitor on the left looks worn out
If you want to see a good plasma, use a microwave transformator. I did it in the highschool to science’s classroom
Hey brother, what are the benefits of this plasma ignition system.?
@@satyanarayan4488 In my case, 9 Years ago, I Want to explain the 4° state of matter, the plasma. This was mi science fair experiment to show to people what is the Plasma.
ok
I run an MSD BTM unit is this essentially doin the same thing or can I add this to it.
MSD and this aren't doing the same thing. I don't know if it will work if you add capacitor on MSD.
it's more or less an MSD, could be used as one.
om kalo pake kabel awg 8 yg biasa buat sound apa bisa? itu kan full tembaga
Kabel busi tidak bisa diganti dengan kabel sound system. Isolator pada kabel semacam itu tidak didesain untuk tegangan tinggi.
Okki Moeljadi thanks om
Salam om okki, ternyata di indonesia susah cari kabel seperti ini yah.
Salam juga. Ada yang nulis komentar divideo saya yang lain, dia bilang dia pernah bikin sendiri dari kabel inti karbon, karbonnya ditarik keluar terus isolatornya diisi pakai kabel tembaga. Coba aja, mungkin bisa.
ok bang besok saya cari yg 15 kv
I want to understand how u do that in arabic languh.plz. im no good in english. If u can.thanxxxx
its like ozone generator
These capacitors you are using are the same thing as a condenser for vehicles with points ignition and cap and rotors. It's been used for many years already.
The reason your spark is brighter is because you are using the copper core wire. Basically no resistance whereas regular spark plug wires are known as resistance wires. Regular wires are resisted to keep any feedback from coming into your stereo or other electrical components in your vehicle. I honestly wouldn't use these wires on an actual vehicle as it could mess up the computers.
Hi Alaric, this is not the same as condenser on contact point ignition system. I actually use this on my car: ua-cam.com/video/olCKGti0t8E/v-deo.html
Your capcitors are wired in series, should be wired in parallel?
It depends on what you want to do. My capacitors are rated at 15 kV, using 3 of them connected in series, I get voltage rating of 45 kV.
I want to improve spark plug current for my bike
Find a plug with a higher heat range what this guy is doing will annialate plugs and will more than likely burn a hole in your piston
jika sambungan capasitor disambungkan pada pangkal "kabel" busi bukan dipangkal busi apakah besar api akan menyala sama?
Apinya juga akan besar, tetapi menurut saya semakin dekat dengan busi semakin baik.
You can make plasma cutter if it remove the metal posts and ground what your gonna cut
I'm not sure if this plasma is powerful enough to cut any material.
@@OkkiMoeljadi could try
If sparks are so bright can't we run diesel fuel in petrol engines
I have been using 30%kerosene mixed in petrol with normal spark plug
If you can get powerful spark, you can replace gasoline with just water to run your engine. Here is my video showing the power of plasma and water ua-cam.com/video/resk4l2Rfi0/v-deo.html
@@OkkiMoeljadi Thanks for answering! :)
@@OkkiMoeljadi Will not it (hydrogen generated out of Plasma spark, blast my engine into pieces?
How many KV of the bosch coil ?
Around 12 Kv
Sparks are very impressive, but spark plugs and cars are not able to take this kind of sparks. Sparks plugs fail due to electrodes erosion/melting and dielectric cracking. On the other hand, the spark is so intense, like a welder, causing the pistons to melt or pierce
Check out my plasma ignition videos where I showed the installation on my car. This small plasma does not melt the electrodes.
@@OkkiMoeljadi Those are good news! Congratulations!👍👍👍
Engine Over heating is the cause burn your pistons and Head
But not a Good Ignition Plasma, for more info the plasma can seperate Hydrogen and oxygen and with setting exact timing of firing will cool your engine temperature and cleenes you combustune of carbon deposits which will prolong you engine life.
Use irridium plugs
if this used in 2 stroke, do i need to set my afr to rich?
No, you don't need to change AFR.
Permisi mas saya mau tanya, utk penggunaan kapasitor berapa nilai angka yg dibutuhkan utk kapasitor tsb? Pada penggunaan seperti video diatas, apakah dapat mengurangi elektroda dalam waktu yg singkat? Terima kasih
Silakan lihat video-video simple plasma saya yang lain. Semua informasi ada disana. Jangan lupa baca deskripsi videonya.
What's the capacity of the capasitor
27pF x 3
hi..can you help me boost my ignition coil spark for my motorcycle the easy way?..thanks..
Yes, this is the easiest way to improve ignition spark.
can i use other capacitor rather thann the one used in the video?..because that caps are very hard to find here in my place.
You can use DIY capacitor using easy-to-find materials. I have uploaded video about that.
dude using iridium sparkplug in my motorcycle . So if I make plasma with my spark-plug doesn't that melt the sparkplug electrode or pistons,piston rings etc.
This will not melt anything. Just the sparkplug electrodes erode a bit quicker.
@@OkkiMoeljadi ok bro i just wanted to try it. What are its benefits. Can u tell me the benefits of using plasma ignition.
Maybe it works at home, but don't forget you have pretty high pressure inside a combustion chamber of engine
Yes, that's why I use only 73 pF of total capacitance. I actually use this setup on my car. I have posted some videos regarding this.
@@OkkiMoeljadi thank you! I will wait for video with special device which simulates high pressure conditions and has a window to see a spark)
I think someone has done it already. I have seen such video here on UA-cam. :)
klo spt ini, apakah di rpm tinggi nggak keteteran?
saya pernah bikin sejenis gini namun bukan pakai kapasitor keramik, bawahnya uenak, tp atasnya kedodoran
mohon reviewnya om, sangat bermanfaat
Kalau di RPM tinggi mbrebet berarti kapasitornya terlalu besar. Di mobil saya ukuran kapasitornya cuma 73 pF dan saya tidak punya masalah di RPM tinggi.
73 pf x3 atau 220pf x3 yg bener yg mana mas ?...itu di video kok 220pf x3
Can you please show us the circuit diagram. Thanks
Here is my circuit diagram for simple plasma ignition: ua-cam.com/video/v_ECBmrUSyM/v-deo.html
Thanks
doesn't take much to figure out that the capacitors are parallel to the spark plug. they are also non-polar.
Could you link me to the wiring schematic for this if possible thanks
Here is my schematic: ua-cam.com/video/v_ECBmrUSyM/v-deo.html
Thanks
its difficult to see the difference between carbon n copper cable's spark mas.. does it means cables doesnt matter?
Cable does matter. The difference is indeed not visible in this video. If you want to squeeze every bit of ignition coil power to the spark plug, go with copper core wire. But remember if you use copper wire, you might get strong electromagnetic interference.
ohh i see.. thats why "normal" cars dont have it ...
and this "how to make an IED"
Suggestion: Do you make a diagram. Is better
This is just one of my simple plasma video series. I always use the same diagram as on other videos.
I want to know the circuit diagram in that homemade igniter (silver box)~ Thank you very much!
This is just a simple 555 based igniter.
@@OkkiMoeljadi It could be simple for you, but not for most of us in different parts of the world.. ;)
Selamat pagi om
Saya mau minta bantuan dan ingin meminta ilmunya kebetulan di tempat kerja saya ada sebuah ignitor untuk membakar gas hasil produksi.. Permasalahannya sekarang ini pematik apinya matu dan tidak ada spare nya ini membuat saya bingung di karna kan bila alat ini mati makan akan terjadi pencemaran lingkungan akibat gas yg tidak dapat terbakar.. Dan saya berpikiran untuk membuat pematik dari sebuah busi motor.. Dan kebetulan saya menemukan vidio yg om okki buat
Jadi saya ingin meminta tolong kepada om okki untuk membagi ilmunya dan saya pun ingin mengetahui peralatan apa saja yg mendukung terjadinya spark pada busi seeprti yg ada di dalam vidio ini agar saya dapat mencari dan mencoba membuat seperti yg om okki lakukan..
Sebelumnya saya mengucapkan terimakasih atas vidionya
luar biasa
Apa nya yg luar biasa
it is hard to find that kind of capacitor
You don't have to buy this kind of capacitor. Just build one yourself from easy-to-find materials. I have posted a video on how to build such capacitor.
Can you measure lower fuel consumption with the caps?
Yes, small improvement in fuel consumption.
The amount of RF noise in the video does not sound good, seems to me that will interfere with electronics in a vehicle.
That's not true. I tested this system on my car for more than a year without any problem. ECU and radio work well wihout any issue.
@@OkkiMoeljadi That's good to know, I'm just saying I can hear rf noise in the video when you turn on the plasma. Did you have to use ferrite chokes on any plug wires on your car?
@@gregory9740 I did not use ferrite chokes.
Kabel wire ori mobil gak bisa ya...apa hrs ganti kabel racing ya om
Harus pakai kabel busi inti tembaga. Kalau standarnya sudah inti tembaga berarti bisa dipakai. Kabel busi racing belum tentu intinya tembaga, bisa diukur tahanannya pakai ohmmeter.
om kalau tiap batang busi pasang satu kpaitorbisa tdk.
Betul sekali, satu busi hanya butuh satu kapasitor. Kapasitansinya harus sesuai dengan kemampuan koil pengapian.
Такое ощущения что чуваку поговорить нескем.
Does this work in modern engines?
Yes.
@@OkkiMoeljadi Would not effect or damage the computer box?
@@malvinchua5695 it works fine on my car. No problem at all with ECU and other electrical devices. But every car is different of course.
Can you feel the difference in riding vehicle???
Yes, my engine runs smoother.
Used in the car Have problems?
Type GT thankyou.
coman mamey
How long the life of capacitor using in ignation coil in motorcycle?
I don't know. I used this on my car for about 1,5 years without any problem.
@@OkkiMoeljadi Please let me know the use of it. Could we make hydrogen out of water in engine using this?
если он сделал яркую искру это не значит что она при больших давлениях в двигателе будет работать
Верно, а не будет гореть потому что кондёры садят напряжение на катушке, даже если и будет гореть то толку от такой искры как и от обычной
это же американцы
EXPERIMENT CHANGING
(real simulation)
In your car the capacitors are connected directly to the distributor pipettes, at the start of the high voltage cable.
Can you make a video showing on the desk the two conditions, with the capacities connected at the beginning of the carbon cable (but without any other 5kOhm resistor inside the connector pipette) and at the end directly to the spark plug?
Thank you very much. ^_^
Any resistance between capacitor and spark gap will kill the plasma.
@@OkkiMoeljadi It's not so simple but you know it too.
If the capacitor is connected to the end of the cable (near the spark plug) there will be a delay in the charging of the capacitor (for the resistance of the circuit, Tau = R*C) and therefore in the ignition of the spark, but the spark will be at maximum current.
If the capacitor is connected to the beginning of the cable (near the HV transformer) the energy transfer from the electronic ignition control unit will be almost instantaneous (depends on the short-circuit current of the transformer) but the current in the spark plug, and therefore the avalanche effect, will be limited by the resistance of the cable.
It would be nice to see the spark with a spark plug without internal resistance (obviously) and the capacitor connected to the beginning of a carbon cable having the overall resistance of a few hundred Ohms (without the resistance in the connecting pipette).
It is possible to simulate the same condition with a copper cable if a 680 Ohm resistor is added in series (to simulate an average length carbon cable).
Then show the appearance of the spark when the capacitor is connected at the beginning towards the coil or at the end towards the spark plug.
It could be a really explanatory video to see the practical effect of the electrotechnical theory.
who is this??