Hyrule's DEEPEST Secrets Finally Unearthed! - Exposing the Depths (ft.
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2023
- The fate of the Sacred Realm has been revealed and it isn't what we all had assumed...Join me in this journey as we plunder the dark abyss for answers!
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What's funny is that Zeldatubers put more time and effort into thinking about the Zelda timeline than the developers do.
They don't even care anymore.
@@nworder4life Tbh its not that important anyway.
Zelda was always about the players journey and not Links journey which sounds weird but is the Truthahn.
@@MegaKBangof course it’s important, a large part of what makes Zelda so investing now more than ever is the lore, not just gameplay
@@MegaKBangits important to me but others might not care
Genuine question, are we sure they ever cared? It honestly feels like they made the timeline more out of obligation than anything else.
It's allegorical / mythical instead of literal. Japanese / Buddhism has layers and different "realms" that beings ascend or descend to based on karma and how they live their lives.
The Depths are, iirc, a realm of beasts - nothing but emptiness and hunger and stagnation which is why the creatures you find there are monsters and the destructive, foolish Yiga only interested in selfish power.
On the flip side, Japanese culture believes the royal family descends from the Sun Goddess who married the first Emperor, similar to how Sonia marries Rauru and founds Hyrule. The "heavens" are the sky, where the gods live.
“Emptiness… stagnation…” Wow, such a wonderful place to explore. Explains a whole lot more. The depths should have been smaller and have been the dark world instead with unique enemies and bosses.
@@ceel4223 It being fun and interesting to explore reflects humanities interest in understanding of our foundations.
I feel like Ive been converted to an adult timeline believer now. The items of the other timelines still existing but just underwater really makes sense as well. Majoras Mask for example was still real in the adult timeline it just had a different fate you could say (found and stashed in a chest as a colisseum prize)
Omg i really dont see how this is all three timelimes converged. You can get all the outfits from all three timelines
@@markanthony7191 to get all the outfits from all three timelines there would HAVE to have been a convergence, or else we would only be able to get outfits and gear from ONE of the timelines (unless the outfits and gear from the other timelines were created in the time gap between the last game in the Adult timeline and BotW, which is unlikely based on how the descriptions of the outfits and gear reference the games they're from)
@@Sarah_H no i meant to say that there was a convergance. Botw and totk are all three timelines
People above me are confusing my brain I don’t even understand what they’re saying
@@Froggycolouringthey're saying there's no way the timelines didnt converge into one since you can get the tunics from links who existed from all three. Wind waker, twilight princess, a link to the past...etc.
My theory for Zelda having the Triforce in BotW/TotK lies in Zeldas Pilgramage before the calamity. She visited 3 very special Places called the springs of Power, Courage and lastly Wisdom. I think that Hylia or Naryu, Din and Farore (or the Dragons) bestowd Zelda there with their respectiv Fragment of the Triforce so shed be powerful enough for the upcoming battle.
Damn that’s good
If you remember, Zelda actually was never able to make it to the Spring of Wisdom, the Calamity had struck when she, Link, and the champions were on their way there. That’s why she wasn’t able to awaken her powers in time.
@@sundaychickenz5727 In memory 15 of BotW Zelda just comes back from the spring of wisdom. The Description Reads as follow: "Zeldas efforts at the Spring of Wisdom at Mount Lanayru bear no fruit. Upon her descent down the mountain she and the Champions witness the awakening of Calamity Ganon."
Please rewatch the memories befor you say something that isn't true :)
@@sundaychickenz5727 No? She went to all springs.
That's not how that works but keep stretching
How you gonna hit me in the feels with the snowed Rito Village theme like that... 🥺
Also, you know what's something that really intrigues about the Depths? Those pillars that let you Ascend to the surface!
Why are they located where they are? There's one on each corner of the map, one under Korok Forest...and then several pillars in random locations that, upon closer inspection, actually lead you to vantage points that let you view a Geoglyph...
...but the Geoglyphs shouldn't have been there during the time the Zonai were active to build those pillars...besides, why didn't the Zonai set up the pillars near the abandoned mines, where they would be much more convenient?
Lastly, why is the ambient music that plays near the pillars so creepy?
Now you got me thinking. 🤔
I don't think it's accurate to say the only thing we can assume is that Ganondorf was sealed underground based on that Windwaker quote. It's also possible that he broke free of the seal and in doing so was warped down below the earth. Entry to the sacred realm is always done via portals and magic. Assuming he sent himself back, it's possible he entered back into Hyrule below the land.
I think the depths are the land of ancient Hyrule. I think BOTW/TOTK Hyrule was founded on the islands above. The deku tree was connecting the islands and hoped to make one big land where the people who lived there would join hands and make a better future.
And the sages from Tears Of The Kingdom are reincarnations of the sages from Ocarina Of Time, just without Saria because the Koroks are simply incapable of being helpful in this case? And what about the Zora and Rito? Could it be that after Spirit Tracks and the founding of New Hyrule, the Rito that were created from Wind Waker returned to their Zora forms, while our favorite birdies the Loftwings from Skyward Sword and Ooca from Twilight Princess all evolved into the BOTW Rito we know and love? I mean, Wind Waker's Rito look more like Hylians with beak nose masks on their heads than anthropomorphic birdies, while BOTW's Rito look like Loftwings who learned how to walk talk and use their wings like human arms, and the Ooca could really use a Pokemon evolution that allow them to be more useful than tiny human heads on chicken bodies. Just imagine, the two sky creatures once said to be closest to the gods, now allowed a chance to walk alongside their masters' creation as humanoid talking birds. Wouldn't that make more sense than the timelines merging?
@@dafilmqueen556 I'm not sure if the sages are reincarnations of the OOT sages, but maybe. About the Rito and Zora coexisting, I'm of the opinion that some of the Zora just left Hyrule (pre-flood)/the great sea (post flood) some time before Link sets out in WW. We already know from OOA and TOTK that there are foreign Domains out there and OOA shows us that the Hyrule Zora would sometimes migrate with Jabu-Jabu outside Hyrule
@jorgeoquendo7514 , aw man, but the Loftwings and Ooca would work so well if they evolved into BOTW'S Rito. We literally only see them each in one game, and it would work well considering they are established to be close to the goddesses. Why wouldn't it work?
@@dafilmqueen556 In my opinion, the BOTW/TOTK Rito are clearly supposed to be the WW Rito, but way in the future. This is made clear by their divine beast being Vah "Medoh" (like Medli) and their town theme being the Dragonroost island theme. In TOTK they doubled down on the Dragonroost theme in Colgera's theme.
It's not that it wouldn't work, it's that I think the clear intention is that.
Although I'm a bit skeptical to these kind of theories, of course, Ganondorf resting and recovering in the same place where his previous incarnation was locked would be so cool.
Previous Ganon to TOTK Ganon: ‘Yo skellydorf, I’ve kept your seat warm.’
He’d also be in the same place demise came from, demise himself was said to have broken out from the ground
The Sacred Realm is the Pre-Deluge Hyrule, which got covered in mud that solidified (became the soil of the next iteration of Hyrule) over time. The Zonai didn't dig, they built normally, at their ground level.
this hyrule being part of the adult timeline due to the great flood makes more sense when u see that hyrule it's self is on it's own plateau
In a link between worlds in the sacred realm, the pillars next to the triforce look like the pillars in the depths in tears of the kingdom.
I personally think that modern TOTK is the end of the Timeline, but that Rauru and Sonia's time came before Skyward Sword. That would explain the missing Champion and the missing Master Sword much easier (hadn't yet been created), and would also explain why so many different iterations of Ganondorf/Ganon/Demise/Malice are shown to come up from the ground: they're all just manifestations of the Demon King's power seeping up and being reborn while the Demon King lies imprisoned.
But I still think your theory that the Modern timeframe of TOTK/BOTW was built on top of a Hyrule buried by the ocean and by the Korok's land. Consider this: what if the Hyrule that Zelda went to in the past is the one eventually covered by the Ocean? She realizes instantly that its a completely differently Hyrule than her own, maybe thats because its topography is immediately, noticeably different to her? Added to the theory, what if it was her and Mineru who raised the Skyloft islands before Skyward Sword, not Hylia? They just mistook her for Hylia because she draconified soon after, and all the dragons have Goddess counterparts, even back during SS? And that's why nobody saw the Sky Islands before the Upheaval, because the Cloud Barrier hid them until the Light Dragon broke that barrier at the beginning of TOTK. (When you first see the Light Dragon, you can't see the surface because the clouds beneath you are too dense to see through to the surface. She flies up through those dense clouds beneath you, and they all dissipate so you can see the surface.)
To me it would just make the most sense to have TOTK essentially be the endcaps to the entire series: Sonia and Rauru's time being the beginning, and Link's destruction of Ganondorf being the end.
The flaw with this theory is that if you watch the scene when Zelda first sees ancient Hyrule, you can pick out landmarks that match in the modern era, like the Dueling Peaks, except the peaks are a single mountain back then.
See this is why I get confused too. I thought the same thing but all the items of the different timelines are in it and most weren't created until after skyward sword.
It is definitely the Triforce at work when Zelda's power eclipses Sonya's. You can also see the Triforce formed when Rauru unleashes his power when you look frame by frame. You can see the golden triangle form and then at 18:07 you can see 3 triangles expanding out pointing upward in the standard formation of the Hyrulean Triforce. At 18:08 you see three downward triangles similar to the Lorulean Trifoce. Moments later at 18:08, the Hyrulean Triforce (possibly complete) appears. It is unknown if these stones would be harnessing the power of the Triforce in other instances, but they are here. Also, loved the video with you and Conrad; both brilliant Zelda theorist!
Every time I see a video about totk I end up playing it more.
I'm 280 hours deep. My first save was about 260 of those hours, then I reset it all to do it again I just love this game so much.
Great video from 2 great channels when it comes down to al Zelda related theories. Very entertaining to watch, well put together.
Thank you!
remember when The goddess hylia cut off skyloft from the ground and sent it skyward?, I think the Golden Goddesses did something very similar during the great flood, what i think is that they cut off areas from the ground like death mountain, Kokiri forest/great deku tree's meadow, gerudo fortress and Kakariko village and sent it skyward above the waves
the sheer amount of collaboration within the Zelda YT community continues to impress and baffle me
Also, Malladus is sealed beneath the world in ST. That's one extra Demon King in the evil realm.
Where's Malladus though? We don't see him. Could Ganondorf have mixed him up in his own makeshift magic blender to create Calamity Ganon? I mean, where else could those eyes made from Malice or Gloom come from?
@@dafilmqueen556 Idk, nice thinking!
The depths are an exact mirror of the topography of the land above. If it were the old Hyrule I feel like after several thousands of years they wouldn't mirror each other so perfectly. The lightroots down there are also directly connected to the shrines Rauru places around Hyrule for the purpose of purging and cleansing evil. If anything I feel like the depths are a purgatory for spirits and not the sacred realm especially since TotK has heavy emphasis on spirits. Also to me the depths and the plant life there have more in common with caves with all the moss and mushrooms.
11:40 this tiny funny bit caught me so offguard as I was enthralled by this phenomenal theory, I burst out laughing and rewinded 5 times! *Honks horn at you guys*! 😂
It’s also interesting to note that (source: a theory I saw a while ago) the chamber of the Trial of the Sword looks like it’s underground, similar to the rest of the Sheikah stuff in breath of the wild. And, in that theory, the guy had some pretty solid proof that the chamber of the trial was the Sacred Realm. (I might come back and edit this with the source)
I've seen similar theories too. But in thoses theories the trials are in the sacred realm or a shiekah version of the sacred realm. The key evidence is the trial of the sword dlc where after each trial link is transported to a much larger version of the Astral observatory from hyrule castle.
I loved the use of FF and KH themes. Great work!
Thanks for making The Depths even more interesting! Fantastic job as usual!
Bruh if the next Zelda game focuses on the sacred realm and Tri force, it will be soo good
The real mystery is how they managed to show you all the depths had to offer in just 5 minutes.
Also imporant point from age of calamity, it was zelda's mom that introduced her to sheikah technology, I know it is another time line set, but is interesting to think about it too. I do hope we can explore more about zelda's mother with the upcoming games, I mean, there could be a possibility that she could have also been a hybrid between zonnai and hylians... who knows?
So... There are a few interesting and good points made in this video that do make a lot of sense. But there's one major flaw that I feel needs to be pointed out.
When did they ever say that Ganondorf was sealed in the Sacred Realm in the Adult timeline?
To clarify what I mean, since I know people will point out the quote shown in this very video, I mean where is it stated that the Evil Realm is the Sacred Realm?
In Ocarina of Time, it says that Ganondorf tricked Link into opening rhe Sacred Realm, then tried to take the Triforce. At the end of the game, Rauru asks the Goddesses that Ganon be sealed in the Evil Realm, or in Japanese, the Netherworld. But nowhere does it say he turned the Sacred Realm into the Evil Realm.
And you might argue that it says so in the backstory of A Link To The Past and in Hyrule Historia, but... Not really.
When they have the reveal that Zelda is Sheik, Zelda says that she and the Sages will reopen the Sacred Realm, then lure Ganondorf inside and seal him there. She also says that Ganondorf corrupted the Sacred Realm when he went to get the Triforce, wtating that the Sacred Realm reflects the heart of whomever enters. But she never said the Sacred Realm became the Evil Realm. And that plan is not what ends up happening, as that statement is made before Ganondorf appears and takes Zelda. Upon defeating Ganon is when Rauru calls forth the goddesses to seal Ganon in the Evil Realm. Even after being corrupted, they continued calling it the Sacred Realm, that final scene is the first mention of the Evil Realm and is where the Japanese version calls it the Netherworld. OoT never says the Sacred Realm is the Evil Realm, merely that the Sacred Realm was corrupted.
As for ALttP, it does get confusing, as it calls it the Golden Land, but it says that after Ganon was sealed within the Golden Land, his evil corrupted it, turning it into the Dark World. Hyrule Historia later clarified that this event happens at the start of the Downfall Timeline. Link falls to Ganon and Zelda and the Sages manage to seal Ganon inside the Sacred Realm. Then his evil corrupts the Sacred Realm, turning it into the Dark World. This is when we are told that the Golden Land is the Sacred Realm, but note that order of events. After Ganon is sealed, the Sacred Realm becomes the Dark World.
Now, I know it's commonly believed that the Evil Realm is the Dark World, the corrupted Sacred Realm. I know this is stated on sites like fanpedia. But even checking such sites, I can never find anywhere that directly states the two are the same. Nothing like how ALttP states the Golden Land became the Dark World nor even an indirect statement like when they said that the Imprisoning War mentioned in ALttP happened after Link failed in OoT and they sealed Ganon in the Sacred Realm. There is only Zelda saying that Ganondorf corrupted the Sacred Realm, Zelda saying the plan is to seal Ganondorf in the Sacred Realm (a plan which, again, did not go as planned), and Rauru asking the goddesses to seal Ganon in the Evil Realm. Even in Wind Waker, they never say he was sealed in the Sacred Realm, Dark World, or Evil Realm, just that he was sealed and emerged from beneath the ground.
In fact, the Japanese translation calling the Evil Realm the Netherworld enforces this belief. The Japanese version also doesn't use the same terminology, with the Dark World in ALttP being "realm of Darkness", not underworld.
So while I would agree that the Evil Realm or underworld or Netherworld they sealed Ganon in may have been The Depths, I don't think that the Sacred Realm was the Depths. That better explains why every depiction of the Sacred Realm has either been a dream-like state (in SS) or in the sky.
I will note, however, that the Sacred Realm as shown in LBW sort of resembles the platform on the other side of the Temple of Time in TotK, the place where Link sends the Master Sword back in time, where Zelda receives it, where Zelda swallows her Secret Stone.
As for other aspects of this theory, namely the whole new land above the old, there are other issues with it (where did the massive ocean go? How is there magma in places water would have been flowing? Why does it mirror the land above, with valleys where mountains are and walls where rivers are? If its the Hyrule of old, why is it less familiar than the new Hyrule?), but they're less important in my opinion
I'm in love with your channel and the revelation of the timeline. Seriously blew my mind.
Also please, please tell me how you got TOTK running and looking so amazingly?
the depths is 100% old hyrule pre wind waker and the overworld is based on the deku tree's roots
Very good video! It has extremely high production quality.
I can get on board with a lot of this theory. The teiforce part makes sense. We see in twilight princess that the triforce can be inherited. Link from oot had the triforce of courage and we can see that link from twilight princess also had the triforce of courage before doing anything to "earn" it. (That would also explain why ganondorf was able to get the triforce of power without touching the teiforce. It was already split apart.)
I dont think the assumption that the depths is the sacred realm is complete. In the video you seem to bounce between the depths beong old Hyrule or the sacred realm. Is there another depths under the depths? I guess im just a little confused on that part.
Very weel done! I look forward to the next video.
Thanks for the compliments! The area where we drop down to fight Ganondorf's army and then finally Ganondorf himself is the suggested Evil Realm.
@@GossipGeistgotcha that makes more sense
I do believe the Sacred Realm IS a Hyrule, or it may be a generic adverb for any preserved pocket dimension, SACRED version of Hyrule. I surmise the Three Golden Goddesses are only described to create OoT Hyrule specifically. This is for the sake of creating a sacred realm, that is then defiled to BE the mundane world we see as Hyrule, and SR in the "center" of it as in, The Depths of it. This allusion is the same when water flows in Sage Rauru's realm and in the Wind Waker Hyrule that gets flooded over.
Zelda's time powers in OoT exist an an extension of having great control over that Sacred realm, similar to Wind fish's dream. Hylian Mother as I dub Link's mom would have escaped a pre-existing world to secure Link with Deku tree in this new realm, and further her wishes would be realized in the child timeline ending. Ganondorf is not so much in OoT to pursue Hylian Mother, but ANY realm where he may access Triforce, so he is reborn in OoT through his dark magic, biding time his time through countless reincarnations every 100 years. Within only one realm, realtive time dilation means nothing.
When the endgame reverted Child Timeline begins, Ganondorf's sealing into the Sacred realm separates two dimensions: Sage Rauru's realm from Young Link's sanctuary, that itself starts unraveling into Majora's mask and Twilight Princess. HERE, Sage Rauru who is a spirit like king Rhoam and an ancestor of Zelda's, somehow passes on the bloodline of Hyrule Royal Family to another branch, begetting Daphnes and Tetra. This part is fuzzy in the maternal passing of it, but satisfying excuses could be made.
This in PARTICULAR is the EXACT MECHANISM how I explain "timelines" can happen. I don't accept that they just turn up as Xerox copies because "other decisions" were made witohut some godly reason why a NEW WORLD was also created. With Upheaval, I have my explanation. I believe PART of Hyrulean population and landmass ends up in a DIFFERENT realm through a sky portal, and a part does not. While Child Timeline was left in one, what became of Sacred realm and Ganondorf sealed within it, started drawing elements from child timeline to BUILD Adult timeline with. Downfall timeline was the first one, it was ALWAYS there, and where Hylian Mother came from, directly following from Skyward Sword. Adult and Child timlines in and of themselves are like Dark world of AlttP, not realities to their own right simply standing ABOVE any plot distinction, as convenient "also canons" or "lol so much time has passed that nothing matters" like the flimsy BotW connection.
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i blame hyrule warriors for the timeline fusion
Why are you playing the music at 18:10 from Bhujerba in Final Fantasy XII?
Super interested in hearing what your thoughts are on who the eighth heroine is after more information was revealed about them in the side quest. It seems like they’re hinting at the eighth heroine actually being the ancient hero. Please do a video on this one! 🙏 Also, subscribed. Amazing content with a lot of work clearly put into it ❤
It's most definitely the Ancient Hero. The 7 Heroines, after being saved by his intervention, told him that although his deeds were greatly appreciated, they could not properly show him their gratitude due to his "kind" not being welcomed in their society. I believe most people would assume they are referring to his gender, since males aren't allowed in Gerudo Town, but I'd like to think they were referring to the fact that he was a Zonai. Ganondorf harbored an aggressive rivalry sort of feeling against the Zonai. It seems to me that he had a strong disliking of them, which could have very well extended across the ages from one Gerudo King to the next. This sentiment could have been deeply ingrained into Gerudo society, even long after they potentially stopped their tradition of having a male Gerudo become their King. Thank you for enjoying my content!
I think it becomes clear with "Link to the Past" that the Sacred Realm isn't specifically a directional place, but a sort of parallel dimension. In Ocarina of Time the Master Sword was sealed in the Sacred realm, at a location on the surface of the world. But in other games the Triforce or master sword are in the Sacred Realm, but also clearly up in the sky. Then you look at "Link to the Past" and we travel to the Sacred Realm and its pretty much a weird mirror realm to the main reality, with most places being pretty much present in some capacity.
If you observe the The Elemental Dragons in BotW, when they are first spawning into the world, at least the fire and Ice Dragons are coming down from the sky... but they also seem to materialize into existence. They are coming down, both from the sky and the Sacred Realm, its not that the sacred realm is only in the sky, but they were in the sky of the sacred realm. This is also where the sky Islands are, they aren't just in the sky above Hyrule, but also somehow in the Sacred Realm, and in TotK, some of the Islands are phased out of the Sacred Realm, but are still in the sky, but I would guess that there are more portions of land up in the Sky that we don't see because they haven't left the Sacred Realm. The Lightning Dragon comes out of the Ground (water) but also from the sacred realm as well.
As for the Depths, The depths are clearly just an underground "Underworld". Ganon "could" have been sealed underground.. and also in the sacred realm or just Underground, and I think it was specifically just underground.
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I liked Zelda more when it was like what From Software games are today: the developer might have a theory themselves, but there is enough vagueness that the most crucial details are not disclosed to the players, making enough room for fan speculation. If Totk had played its cards better, it would have explained less outright and made more room for lore speculation.
What is the name of the Song that's playing when he starts talking about the holy springs?
It's called "Fairy Fountain" from a recomposed album of A Link to the Past. The album's name is "Sound and Drama".
14:53
That little edit got a laugh out of me.
It could be so fun if, should Nintendo decide to make a 3rd game in the BOTW world, the next game has us control the ancient hero and help Ancient Hyrule to locate the Master Sword & the Triforce! Perhaps they could also provide an explanation for the Master Sword’s newfound energy issues
Fi probably just needs a couple of new AA batteries, it's about that time, I imagine.
I like that idea except I’m not sure If I’d like to play as furry link considering he is a zonai during that time
Or botw and totk is a separate timeline spliting from sws after the hero kills demise in the past and returns back to his original time, this theory suggests that due to demise being defeated in the past this causes skyloft to fall, the reason that the zonai aren't island's aren't seen in sws could be due to them just being higher up that skyloft and due to them having levitation tech the islands didn't fall with skyloft until the zonai wanted to rech the land, this also means that when raru says that it is the first kingdome of hyrule he would be correct as before they came to the surface the people would have been primative people who just got plunged into a scary new land with demises curse following the hero into his own time this would cause there to not be any curse or spirit of the hero in botw and totks timeline until it is required, hylia still reincarnated as zelda but the hero isn't needed until the King of evil emerges as ganondorf in totk.
Hope this makes sense. Maybe you could find a better explanation and stuff
Botw and Totk is after Oot on the timeline this has been confirmed by Aonuma.
@Ahouro they have been known to change the timeline from time to time and I'm not sure if the placement was just to pleas fans or its if ment to be the proper placement
@MidDeamon They haven't made that many official changes to the timeline that you imply, if you mean when they release a new game then stop and Nintendo rarely if ever do things to just appease the fans.
7:40 a side note, but I immediately thought, those trees the Koroks were planting must be the origin of those huge tree husks you find all over in BotW/ToTK (ie: the hills around Deya Village)
I want to say something about the Dragons and Zelda's.
The other 3 dragons are not Zonai who turned into dragons. With the new light that Zelda did in fact have the full Triforce in TOTK before and during turning into a dragon. Why is it that her dragon parts are inferior to the other 3? If they were Zonai surely Zelda's dragon parts would offer more time and more power than the others being that she has the Triforce. Before anyone says "Oh but there's a trade off, hers heals you" NO! The healing effect comes from her light powers you can draw that conclusion from the Gloom Weapons since those have the opposite effect of taking health. (thanks to the darkness from Ganondorf)
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Thank you for your kind words! I hope to continue providing that same experience to all of my viewers for many years to come!
I love theory videos, and this is a great one!! But a part of me feels as if BOTW & TOTK are just the quintessential zelda games & they decided to not even consider timeline placements whatsoever when they created these games.
I have been under the impression since Breath was shown not to have a direct correlation to any one timeline, but at the same time having drags to each of them that there was some event that cause the timelines to collapse in one each other and converge into a single line. This event would likely have been catastrophic and severed much of the history from before the event to the people creating something of a clean slate, but some legends remaining.
I also firmly believe that the Zonai are the long descendants of the Twili. There are quite a few similarities in their sense of aesthetic and designs. They both are adept at stonework and seem to favour square designs with carved embellishment. They also have magical activation within these structures that flash a similar green-blue colour. The Zonai also had seemed to come from nowhere with great power and were seen as gods, we know that as interlopers, the Twili possessed frighteningly powerful magics, the like of which likely unseen on Hyrule for a time so long that it wold seem godly. The Zonai then vanishing from Hyrule, I think likely back to the twilight realm, and I think likely banished by Rauru and Miniru, considering Rauru's reaction to remarks made by Ganon. The Zonai and Twili even seem to have a similar taste in fashion, wearing light, often on the more revealing side, robes black in colour with green-blue accents. And while they may not retain the hair colour of the Twili they do retain the skin colour. A pale grey. Finally, the secret stones. We have seen that the Twili had glowing stone objects that glowed in the form of the orbs you collect in the Twilight Realm, they even power up the Master Sword. These may have been a proto-form of the Secret Stone because they do not seem to have the same level of amplification as the Stones in TotK possess.
So our favorite humanoid goat hybrid people have done it again-they are truly one with the Force, capable of keeping it up to being a part of everything we know about the franchise. It would also seem like the perfect return of the Twili to our franchise..
Very interesting information! Thank you
The Sacred Realm being in the depth is a very cool theory.
In Skyward Sword the realm where we fight Demise is a seal/ portal within the earth it seems. There we can find him in a sky mirage, with blue skies and clouds. Isn’t that quite significant as one would expect a devil to be in a more hellish ambience? When Link fights him, it shows the resonance of the dimension to the corruption of evil, turning it into a thunderstorm, but it still is rather reminiscent to the depiction of the Sacred Realm rainstorm in the Oot cutscenes.
Unlike the Silent Realms, this dimension is accessible with Links whole body and weapons - not just in spirit form.
One could say, that the Silent Realms where made by the old gods. Whereas the dimensions of where Demise is, is made by Hylia herself. Or she just sealed him there inside. History repeating, with evil being sealed in a sacred place.
It could also be possible, that this place IS the original Sacred Realm from legend, the intersection of where the three golden goddesses departed to the heavens and left the Triforce in their place and Hylia knows about it.
edit: Hylia who sealed Demise there :) just like the sages sealed Ganondorf
Very interesting theory. I always admire the amount of dedication and research you put into these.
As usual another fantastic video, always looking forward to the next one! 😁
Good to see you here, man! Thanks for stopping by 😎
16:55 you can’t convince me it’s not a lightsaber
I still think we should've gotten a jetpack for link after getting all the shrines.
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Werent there two species of Zora, River and Ocean? Perhaps only one of them evolved into Rito while the other remained as Zora?
Or maybe the goddesses returned them to their original forms after Spirit Tracks and got their loyal sacred creatures the Loftwings from Skyward Sword and Ooca from Twilight Princess to evolve into the new Rito we see today. I mean, I find it difficult to believe the two sky creatures that were closest to the gods were made to hide when they could be doing something more useful like exist alongside the Hylians and Zora as humanoid talking birds who learned to use their wings like human arms. That's an insane idea I have based on what I'm learning about the Zelda franchise as a newcomer into the franchise as a theory video goer instead of a gamer (cause I really don't have a Nintendo Switch or 3DS game, nor have I ever even heard of the franchise until I came across Twilight Princess game footage, the theories, and Andrew Collette's playthrough of Link's Awakening, BOTW, TOTK, and SS), but I feel it would be a viable explanation for why we never see either the Loftwings and Ooca in Tears Of The Kingdom, plus would explain why BOTW's Rito look like Loftwings who learned how to walk talk and use their wings like human arms..😂
The islanders only knew rumors of the Triumph Forks. I'm sure they rediscovered the triforce with time though
that moment when you recognize Final Fantasy (specifically 12) music in a Zelda video
With the depth plants, I think they have more in common with prehistoric plants (like ferns, cycads and lepidodendrons of the Carboniferous period) than aquatic vegetation which fits with the undisturbed, closed off ecosystem vibe of the depths.
Bit of a nitpick, but The Great Sea in the Wind Waker did not take 1,000’s of years to drain. As at the start of Spirit Tracks, (the only game that takes place in New Hyrule) Niko Summarizes the story of Phantom Hourglass, and it’s explained (not by him) that he’s the last living character from Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass and he’s lived to be at least 100 years old. This means that it didn’t even take a century for the Great Sea to drain away(at least for the initial founding of New Hyrule); probably due to the combination of the Koroks planting new Forests and Daphnes wishing for the Great Sea to wash Hyrule away.
Doesn’t really change anything about the theory, but just thought I’d mention it
The Sheikah Being Present around the time of the Ancient Hero makes me wonder if he's actually Rauru's clone. And if this all indeed takes place (Mainly?) in the adult timeline as you've presented, the Master Sword would be in the head of a suspiciously Demon King-esque statue perched atop a buried tower. Knowing that the master sword would at some point be needed, the ancient Hero, presumably under Sheikah guidance, found it and pulled it. And considering where it was and the purpose it was fulfilling, it would not surprise me at all if Calamity Ganon was unleashed from this very act, thus connecting all of it together.
I have a theory that the timeline of the defeat After oot is actually caused by link going back in time with the Ocarina for the well and Spirit temple
i haven’t gotten to it in the video yet but i’m guessing the structure of zonaite is a big clue too. i had this idea months ago so let’s see!
Also by rift-in-the-earth: Demise emerges on the Surface and Link travels from Hyrule to Lorule
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I replayed OoT and I had hte same idea! But for this to be true, another theory I believe need to be true: Ganondorf from Wild era it's not the same person as in OoT!
I loved your video, this needs more views!!
correct the new Ganondorf is not the ocarina of time one because that ganon was divided into three just like the world was child timeline one is captured and was executed but the evil king Ganon gifted him the triforce of power before being sealed away an he was then tossed into the twilight realm later to be released by Zant and then defeated by the Hero of Twilight/dawn.
and other Ganondorf from the adult timeline was beaten by link's descendant the hero of Winds and turned to stone by the power of the master sword and zelda's light.
and the era of darkness Ganondorf was slain by a child chosen to become a new hero
For the temple of time you can see the Great Sky Island Temple of time at the same place in the memorie 6 of TOTK, so the old temple of time is younger than the zonai one.
Muy buen video! Sin embargo hasta el momento no he visto ninguna teoría que menciona la grieta en el suelo que abrieron los demonios al inicio de skyward sword. Para mi ese relato tiene mucha conexión con el subsuelo
So… the Koroks are the gods of Hyrule…
My one issue is that the sacred realm doesn't change until lttp when ganon has the full triforce. Rauru says that they will seal him in a void in the sacred realm. Oot never says that the realm became the dark world.
now what if, i know this screws the timeline immensely, but what if BoTW & TotK are actually prior to Skyward Sword? What if some other threat happens after TotK causes everyone to have to evacuate to the sky islands and that's where SS takes takes place? This comes into the theory of the timeline loops on itself like Ouroboros (world eating snake) and would kinda explain the goddess statues in SS. I believe Fi might actually be a mix of Shikha and Zonai tech that was made when Zelda was in the past and Zelda actually implants her into the sword while repairing it, and maybe a version of Fi is already in the sword because its just come to the end of another loop.
Itd be interesting to see what they come up with next
My own theory is that there are 3 Eras of the Wild, one in each timeline. There was never a convergence, each timeline simply has its own version of the descent of the Zonai, the Imprisoning War, the two Calamities, BOTW, and TOTK, but they all play out the same in each timeline with no noticeable differences.
This would mean that in the Eras of the Wild for the Child and Downfall Timelines, the Rito would've needed to evolve from something else.
Like the Loftwings from Skyward Sword and Ooca from Twilight Princess? I mean, BOTW's Rito look like Loftwings who learned how to walk talk and use their wings like human arms, and the Ooca from Twilight Princess are said to have been close to Hyrule's royal family and the goddesses, just like the Loftwings once were. The Rito need to evolve from something, and I doubt that human headed chickens would be very useful in the long run. So it would seem like the Ooca and Loftwings had a Pokemon evolution into our favorite humanoid birdies..😂❤
Sup Gossip Geist, I have a huge question about legend of Zelda. You know how the zora evolved to the rito in wind waker, they also inherited their blue sapphire symbol as the Rito, soooo in tears of the kingdom they have their own symbol now, and the Zora has there blue sapphire symbol back. How did the Zora get their symbol back from the Rito, which caused the Rito tribe to get their own symbol?
Ah, but the Rito in the Wind Waker actually do have their own symbol! The flags on the cliffs outside of Dragonroost Island have the Rito symbol on them! There's also the flag that Zunari has in his shop, which also has the Rito symbol on it.
@@GossipGeist really I haven't played wind waker in a minute. I'll have to check that out
I was waiting for this one. All these underground places like under Typhlo
I assure you, Nintendo didn't think this through as much as this analysis. They only care about gameplay.
A lot DID make sense though.
Does this mean that when Link fell into Termina at the start of Majora’s Mask, that he actually fell into a part of the depths that was controlled by the skull kid/Majora’s Mask?
A timeline merge would settle a lot of debates.
There is no real debate. Just fans that won't give it up. There is no merge of the timeline. BotW is a remake of the Zelda games.
Honestly this video left me kind of confused. Is the theory that the Depths is the Sacred Realm/Evil Realm post OoT/WW? Or is the theory that the Depths are the remains of the physical, real world kingdom of hyrule that existed in OoT and was covered over by islands and trees post WW? Or somehow both? The Sacred Realm and submerged Hyrule theories seem mutually exclusive to me.
The theory is that the depths are old hyrule but the area where you go down to fight the demon kings army / Ganondorf is the Sacred / Evil Realm
I love this theory. It fits so good with what they said about previous Hyrules possibly being destroyed too
your videos are always so well made its amazing
This is good.
I had an original theory that BotW could be an alternate timeline that occurred due to the King of Red Lyons eventually dying and his wish on the Triforce was undone allowing the old Hyrule to return and the story would continue from there with either a new Ganondorf to be born or his uncasing from magic stone one the Master Sword was removed from his head and he revived starting the whole cycle over again until he would be sealed by the hand and the Calamity would occur.
But then Tears of the Kingdom told a different story. And I think this theory being told here is a good argument.
Until we get a game outside of Hyrule Warriors where we see the timelines converge, then it's going to be a head scratcher. But here's the thing...what happened to the Ocarina of Time??? To me, it is the very thing that caused the division between the child and adult timelines, so it would have to be the thing that caused the reconvergence. And the downfall timeline is really just an alternative off shoot like Age of Calamity (a what if). Unless...you consider that the rain in A Link to the Past could be the start of the gods beginning to flood Hyrule and will happen if Link fails...but then that means that the King would have to survive and Agahnim killed him.
I just love how you worded the video like 2023 was like 20 years ago
What's the song at 18:10 ? I recognize it but I can't think what it is...
Oh wait, is it from FFXII?
it was indeed, "The Skycity of Bhujerba" Now I just look like an insane person talking to myself. Fun!
@@Aussie.Owlcoholic I love FFXII, so any time someone asks about the songs when I use them, I try to quickly let them know what song it is, lol. Sorry I couldn't get here sooner, but you've got it!
@@GossipGeist yeah it's an amazing game and the soundtrack has such a unique sound to it. And no worries mate, I got there eventually! haha
This is it, I think y’all hit it on the nose. I think y’all did a great job. Someone needs to show this to Nintendo and force them to make this cannon.
Hollow earth theory comfirmed!
Journey To The Center Of The Earth confirmed? Oh boy, that would be so great! I love that movie, it's one of my favorites from Brendan Fraser. I love having my childhood coming up like this! 😂❤
It is really a video of great quality, and greats visuals !
However we have to take into account that in the adult timeline, Ganondorf does not obtain the full triforce, thus the sacred realm does not become evil, it remains an empty dimension without the triforce.
I am afraid this isn't correct. Ocarina of Time already states that the Sacred Realm, outside the Chamber of Sages, has become a realm of evil (the Dark World) even though Ganondorf has only retained the Triforce of Power. It didn't require him to obtain the full Triforce for this to happen. The original lore stated with ALttP was that if anyone touched the Triforce *at all*, the Sacred Realm would act as a mirror that reflected the nature of their heart and change itself. So this is wholly consistent.
The sacred realm is the depths, I knew it from the beginning of Tears of the Kingdom
Ive actually thought about this before i saw this video because wind waker was my first game and i remembered that the trees would converge but i thought nothing of it seeing as zora and rito where in the game but that was before i saw the part 1 of the duo so i guess i considered this technically before you 2
Well, Dragon Breaks can occur as a consequence of gods dying or other extremely powerful magical artifacts. So far we have no idea why the golden goddesses came to this dimension and shaped it for Hylia to watch over the triforce. as far as we know they might be in some sort of conflict above the realm of Hyrule which might have causes the timelines to merge
pretty sure dragon breaks are from the elder scrolls.
@@elyonsilvarath6854 pretty sure the elevator doesn't reach the top floor there 🙄
Dragon Breaks are ES' explanation for conflicting events of history. That's exclusive to ES. It doesn't make every other universe have a version of it.
I honestly don't buy the "merge" theory at all as I see no grounds. We have no lore explanation that resembles anything like a "dragon break" so we can't really say it has something like that. In ES, it's a very established fact that it happens, but it's never even hinted to be a thing in Zelda. We've never seen it before and even now we don't have any real evidence towards it, just a bunch of people spreading around a png of the timelines with some added lines as if that makes it more believable
I was already thinking about this being the case due to when the story of creation is told, it I believe is suggestively mentioned that the land was built on top of what was already there.
And to add to that, it's even mentioned in dialogue that the current temple of time was built after the Zonai had raised the sky islands. The other thing to point out is that the current resting place of the master sword is in the korok forest, which means only one conclusion. The lost woods as it is now was exactly where the temple of time, castle town, and Hyrule Castle had been so long ago
i am pretty sure this zelda does not have the full triforce seen as she lacks courage and power she has the wisdom portion and that would be all seen as every zelda before this one has had the same sealing power and light power and where only the bearers of the wisdom triforce
I think it's possible that there is no convergence at all, but rather breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom have their own timeline, separate from the others.
Everyone allay talks about the timeline split in OoT, but never mentions the fact that Skyward Sword also deals with time travel. Couldn’t it be possible that the “fallen hero” timeline might actually take place in SS’s timeline split?
nope, the downfall timeline is shown in canon material to come from a universe where time link failed to kill ganondorf and was killed off. what material you may ask? both the hyrule historia and the encyclopedia. a cutscene in ALttP also hints at this, as it is said the 7 "wise men", who are confirmed to be the 7 sages FROM OCARINA OF TIME, sealed Ganon away in the sacred realm
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im a bit confused: is this video supposed to propose two different options for what the depths are or one? it being the sacred realm that was under old hyrule and it being just old hyrule after new land grew over it sound a bit mutualy exclusive yet the explanation for both seem to kind of flow into eachother
Very Interesting Theory, so with that being said that would make TOTK and BotW in the Adult timeline? Even if the Current Land has landmarks and areas from all 3 timelines thier could have been Triforce wishes and or Powerful Magic that cause the timelines to somehow Merge.
I believe all the previous games are stories or dare i say 'legends' told over generations in the history of botw and totk ;)
Where did the artwork at 14:04 come from
So the TotK flashbacks aren't the events of OoT?
If they were then that means OOT Zelda's Dad was a Zonai furry called Rauru.
@@GamerSoda-wk1ji that’s why I was confused while playing the game.
I always have a difficult time understanding Commonwealth when he speaks
Same...
This blew my mind ngl 😂
So I'm somewhat confused by this theory. Are you trying to claim that the Depths were at one point the Sacred Realm or that they were old flooded Hyrule. It has to be one or the other.
The massive opening where you fight Ganondorf's army and then Ganondorf himself is the location of the Evil Realm. It's the absolute lowest point in all the depths, far below every other area in the game. It's the depths below the depths, which lines up with Ganondorf emerging from the earth in the Wind Waker's old Hyrule.
@@GossipGeist It also lines up with Demise coming out of the earth in Skyward Sword.
Maybe Ganon being cast to the “depths of the earth” is symbolic in a way
The reason Hell or the underworld is commonly depicted as the deep caverns of the earth is because it represents unclean souls that have given into their inner demons and therefore earthly attachment
In Ganondorf’s case, he has given into the inner demons Malice and Gloom and has now become a literal demon himself, a being who cannot ascend to the heavens do to being addicted to the earth
So Ganandorf literally says that Rauru and Mineru are the last Zonai alive. I don’t rember what memory it was tho I just rember it happened. But anyway how would a Zonai get ahold of the Master Sword after Rauru is sealed and Mineru is in the Purah Pad which should mean that the Zonai are extinct now. It just doesn’t add up.
The Zonai were gone, but perhaps the Lomei, the 5th unknown race that dwelled in the Depths were still around. There's a connection between them, more directly than it would seem at first glance, perhaps even genetically. The Ancient Hero could have very well been a Lomei descendant. The only thing that doesn't make sense about this theory though is the Ancient Hero's tail. Neither the Lomei (if they are the unknown race depicted by the statues) or the Zonai have tails, so where did it come from? Yet another unknown race? TotK doesn't give us a lot to work with to be honest, but it's the best we can do. I just really hope they were joking about the whole no DLC thing because man...
So… I love the theory but I can’t really agree with it tbh. First the water in windwaker was supposed to be special water and normal fish couldn’t live in it only monsters. So the coral and stuff in the depths I believe is just a design choice/coincidence because there were no normal animals/plants in the sea. Second, where did all that water go?
Also while the tree roots could make an island how do they make something like death mountain?