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  • @brianpayne1453
    @brianpayne1453 8 місяців тому +37

    John saying it's ok if a Superman movie doesn't make money is CRAZY

    • @joehenry9546
      @joehenry9546 Місяць тому +1

      I don’t believe DC will be happy of it doesn’t make money.

  • @diegodavoli2990
    @diegodavoli2990 8 місяців тому +28

    This "it doesn't need to make money" theory is the the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard.

    • @keithoneil9894
      @keithoneil9894 8 місяців тому

      Can John give us an example of a movie that lost money and got a sequel?

  • @nimbus1899
    @nimbus1899 8 місяців тому +21

    Christopher Nolans Batman Begins made approximately $375 million on a $150 budget. Both fans and critics loved it so his next 2 Batman movies went on to make more than a billion each. Superman legacy doesn't have to make loads of money, it's got to be a better movie first and foremost.

    • @johncampea
      @johncampea  8 місяців тому +10

      EXACTLY!

    • @garygoggin
      @garygoggin 8 місяців тому +3

      Key point is that it still made a profit!

    • @David-hc4xh
      @David-hc4xh 8 місяців тому

      Agreed. Superman the movie cost $55 million in 1978 which was one of the most expensive movies ever made at the timr. That budget would be about $260 million in today’s money, nowadays a typical blockbuster budget.

  • @CalebByRamen
    @CalebByRamen 8 місяців тому +172

    It absolutely HAS to do both, WB HAS ALWAYS BEEN Box Office Reactionary.

    • @Wolfhunter5607
      @Wolfhunter5607 8 місяців тому +23

      i say 600 mil like man of steel and the movie needs to be well received like Gunns other movies

    • @kalenberreman8252
      @kalenberreman8252 8 місяців тому +25

      It has to be profitable, but it doesn’t have to make tons and tons of money.

    • @johnmckoy6117
      @johnmckoy6117 8 місяців тому +2

      “HAS ALWAYS BEEN”..except the time they made a full years slate day and date streaming

    • @Moskarth
      @Moskarth 8 місяців тому +5

      I don’t think it matters because if it’s good I think it will make a bunch of money so we won’t even get to see if the possibility proposed by John will play out lol

    • @hungvu-xc3uf
      @hungvu-xc3uf 8 місяців тому +1

      Previous regime vs now

  • @roderick8167
    @roderick8167 8 місяців тому +9

    One of my favorite examples of this is Batman Begins because by this point the Batman franchise was completely dead and no one believed in Batman Begins and when it came out it only made over 300 million dollars but the word of mouth was fantastic/ amazing and it was so good that when The Dark Knight came out everybody was excited which then this The Dark Knight got rewarded with 1 Billion dollars at the box office and all because Batman Begins was a great movie from the beginning and it gained the audience trust in the Batman brand back

    • @keithoneil9894
      @keithoneil9894 8 місяців тому

      Making $300 million was still a lot back then.

  • @Luumiia19
    @Luumiia19 8 місяців тому +8

    ‘And Superman Returns…’ ‘And that came out 20 years ago’. Made me choke on the drink I didn’t even have. Jesus that’s a reality check.

  • @Wolfhunter5607
    @Wolfhunter5607 8 місяців тому +8

    it needs to make money but not a billion. it should make 600-700 like man of steel and the batman but also has to be well received like Gunns last 4-6 projects

  • @jackelinevalladares7118
    @jackelinevalladares7118 8 місяців тому +10

    I need this to succeed 😢 DC stories are worth telling on the big screen and done right. This is the superhero movie, it matters.

    • @Cakebattered
      @Cakebattered 7 місяців тому +1

      Only 3 of the 6 Superman movies have been box office successes. Where as 6/7 of the 9 Batman movies have been box office successes. Starting the new DC universe with Superman was just a stupid idea. You always start it off with Batman.

    • @imed-ha77
      @imed-ha77 3 місяці тому

      @conchobar I agree with you and I really don't understand why they always start with Superman, Snyder did it and James Gunn did it

  • @apban
    @apban 8 місяців тому +7

    This movie has to make money. It has to prove it can get people to the theater to care about this franchise.

  • @nendoakuma7451
    @nendoakuma7451 8 місяців тому +4

    Warner Bros. NEEDS this to be good. As people often forget, it takes time for audiences to discover a new franchise (or new iteration of one). The MCU was the same way. Even though Iron Man was pretty successful, a fair number of people didn’t discover it until didn’t discover it until 2-3 years later when it was streaming or on basic cable. When Avengers came out, it did even better because people had more time to discover the MCU first. Another example is the John Wick franchise. It was kind of a low key release and lots of people didn’t discover the franchise until the DVD was in the bargain bucket Walmart. Each one did better than the last..

  • @mustafa_F_M
    @mustafa_F_M 8 місяців тому +5

    7:19
    I don’t remember where I read it, but from what I remember, man of steel was the highest paid movie in the world from product placement specially IHOP. They give them a lot of money.

  • @jeremyroberts8822
    @jeremyroberts8822 8 місяців тому +7

    I disagree John, it absolutely has to do a bit of both. Now it doesn’t need to make like an insane amount but whether it’s good or not if the very first film that’s supposed to start the universe loses money I feel like WB might panic and try to start changing plans again

  • @David-hc4xh
    @David-hc4xh 8 місяців тому +7

    Superman Legacy doesn’t need to make $1 billion but it needs the critical acclaim. Iron Man only did $600 but by Iron Man 3 it was $1.2 billion. You have to earn the audiences trust.

  • @discoveringthei
    @discoveringthei 8 місяців тому +7

    I disagree with John. This film has to make money, but, I think, in a different way. Which is to say, more akin to what we see with Avatar. A low opening weekend, with a growing frenzy, that keeps people coming, week in and week out, with the smallest possible drops. They can't expect huge numbers out the gate, but, if they make something Amazing, truly emotional and gripping, Guardians of the Galaxy 1 or above in quality, I think making $700 Million isn't just possible, but very likely possible.

  • @m.alattar85
    @m.alattar85 8 місяців тому +7

    God bless your heart John for this fantastic discussion, BUTT at the end of the day, David Zaslav, aka Emperor Palpatine, will look at the number, and he definitely wants some profits
    But hey, this is just my take
    🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @Creech786
    @Creech786 8 місяців тому +7

    Doesn’t need to make a crazy amount but it needs to be reasonably profitable for it to be a success.

    • @jeremyroberts8822
      @jeremyroberts8822 8 місяців тому

      I agree. If the very first movie to start the universe loses money I doubt they would feel confident to greenlight a ton of other projects if a character as iconic as Superman doesn’t make money

  • @stephenramirez2217
    @stephenramirez2217 8 місяців тому +13

    Think Batman Begins -- not a huge financial success, but look at what it did for Batman, and setting up The Dark Knight

  • @daniellappen4845
    @daniellappen4845 8 місяців тому +7

    The movies "greatness" will be judged by how much money it makes. If it makes a billion dollars it won't matter if it's good or bad. If it bombs it won't matter how good it is. Look at MI7.

  • @J03J3rk0ff
    @J03J3rk0ff 8 місяців тому +7

    I don’t think It’s an exaggeration to say this movie NEEDS to be a banger, this has to be Days of Future Past levels of good, The Batman, Black Panther, hell Spider-Verse levels of good. (Dark Knight and Logan are untouchable it can’t top that but I’ll let it slide) It needs to be a MAJOR W. Nothing below 9/10 will be acceptable and the DCU will be dead on arrival.

  • @3l3llala13
    @3l3llala13 8 місяців тому +4

    Why would a studio invest in a 2nd movie if the first movie tanked at the B.O. ? I doesn't matter to a studio if the a film gets raved review if it doesn't also rake in the $$$.

  • @sputnik8543
    @sputnik8543 8 місяців тому +2

    Agree w John - batman begins took c.$300m but was critically well reviewed, which setup TDK and TDKR financial success

  • @jasonholman1011
    @jasonholman1011 8 місяців тому +6

    If people come out feeling great, they will tell their friends that DC is back and their friends will go. So it will also be profitable if it’s great.

  • @1stgenkpopfan646
    @1stgenkpopfan646 8 місяців тому +4

    It doesn’t need to be a massive hit, but it at least needs to be near break even given that the people who do see it, love it. I could see a Batman Begins type situation where it’s not hugely profitable but it does okay at the box office and is acclaimed by critics and the audience that does see it.

  • @dtm1866
    @dtm1866 8 місяців тому +11

    I'll never understand this type of goalpost movement. Saying a big budget CBM DOESN'T have to make money is insane! Its fuckin SUPERMAN. At the least it needs to be around what MOS made or what was the point.

    • @dtm1866
      @dtm1866 8 місяців тому +5

      It's like saying Spiderman Homecoming didn't have to make money because it was new and coming off of 3 "bad/weak" Spiderman movies. It's FUCKIN SPIDERMAN!!

    • @barbaciante
      @barbaciante 7 місяців тому +2

      I think it's like Batman Begins. Obviously, the more money it makes the better it is, but reviews are more important. If the movie make 500 millions and it's good, poeople will watch it in home video and became interested in the projects related.

    • @Cakebattered
      @Cakebattered 7 місяців тому +1

      Except there is significantly less money to be made in the home viewing market than during the days of Batman Begins.

    • @barbaciante
      @barbaciante 7 місяців тому

      @@Cakebattered Yes, but the point can be that a good movie could lead people to watch the sequel.

  • @spicymemes7458
    @spicymemes7458 8 місяців тому +14

    After Godzilla Minus One, I refuse to believe any studio needs big budgets to be successful and look amazing.

    • @91mmafighter
      @91mmafighter 8 місяців тому

      Except that VFX studio received little pay and worked in bad conditions

    • @zoe2732
      @zoe2732 8 місяців тому +1

      @@91mmafighter Literally what VFX artist is getting paid well and is working in good conditions?

  • @leroyjames9087
    @leroyjames9087 8 місяців тому +3

    One of the biggest reasons ppl were shittin on MOS was cuz apparently it didn't make enough for a superman movie it def matters cuz it did to the previous superman movie

  • @Djblois1
    @Djblois1 8 місяців тому +2

    They are both correct, depending on the perspective you are looking at.
    John is correct, for it to start the universe, it doesn't need to make money but it needs to prove that DC movies can be good; however, Robert is also probably correct that WB will not care if it has good reception, if it doesn't make money they will interfere like they have in the past.

  • @thobat14
    @thobat14 8 місяців тому +8

    James Gunn just came out and debunked this.

  • @lazzi2462
    @lazzi2462 8 місяців тому +4

    I agree with John. Just make a great movie, that's way more important than how ever much it makes. Making a great movie will make people want more. Iron Man & Man of Steel, 2 movies that were made to start a cinematic universe, made around $600 mill each. Make a great movie, have the great reviews hype up moviegoers. Same way they did with Godzilla Minus One, I don't think many people cared about that movie at first, they didn't even market it much in America, but once all the great reviews came out, everyone wanted to go see it. The Batman I would say is the start of it's own Cinematic Universe, it got mostly good reviews, & it made $700 mill even though it got trolled so much & people hate Pattinson so much. Making a great movie will pay off itself usually.

  • @txag
    @txag 8 місяців тому +3

    The bar is being set so high it will be next to impossible to reach. While I'm not a fan of the way Gunn has handled things I will say he absolutely give you "heart" moments. Just look at Guardians 2 with Yando sacrificing himself for his "son" Quill. The difference there is that was in the golden age of the MCU. Gunn is going to have to work hard, IMHO, to sell this new Superman to many a number of fans who still aren't happy the way things were ended with the DCEU. Not saying it can't be done but it's going to take real effort.

  • @joshuamantock4037
    @joshuamantock4037 8 місяців тому +4

    it needs to hit at least 700Ms and that is feasible by word of mouth and promo

  • @renecantu684
    @renecantu684 8 місяців тому +5

    DC doesn’t need any more failures… this movie 🎥 has got to be a hit!

  • @thefanboy2008
    @thefanboy2008 8 місяців тому +6

    James Gunn has also come under budget on all of his movies.

    • @KeepDreamin247
      @KeepDreamin247 8 місяців тому +1

      GoG3 was $250M. I doubt that James Gunn is under budget on all of his movies. Highly doubt it.

  • @Mb-zu6on
    @Mb-zu6on 8 місяців тому +3

    I think it's naieve to think WB doesn't think it should make money, but yes quality is more important long term.

  • @King_Mac80
    @King_Mac80 8 місяців тому +5

    Superman Legacy ABSOLUTELY has to make at least as much as Man of Steel

  • @darkpharaoh542
    @darkpharaoh542 8 місяців тому +2

    Not the Lady Hawk reference!!!!!! Man that takes me back. I need to watch it again. People on the internet are too young to remember the greatness that is Lady Hawk.

  • @thebasedlord
    @thebasedlord 8 місяців тому +7

    ......yeahhhhh.....it absolutely needs to make money 💰

  • @gerardcrabb4556
    @gerardcrabb4556 8 місяців тому +3

    They still have Joker 2 and The Batman 2 and Penguin series... They want a billion dollar Superman Legacy... The budget might make sense if he shoots a sequel at same time like original Superman but won't make it public...

  • @teelyttle2480
    @teelyttle2480 8 місяців тому +3

    Why would the budget of the film matter to the audience?? I couldnt care less about the movies budget.
    However… I do feel this needs to both be enjoyable and a success at the box office.

    • @teelyttle2480
      @teelyttle2480 8 місяців тому

      @@ramoncarter3121 I agree… but that’s from an investor point of view… the audience does not have that investment… the only return we are looking for is a good time.

  • @mauriceedwards9588
    @mauriceedwards9588 8 місяців тому +4

    It's got to be really great and make a fair amount of money and most inpportanely make you care about want is going on and the characters.

  • @benm5970
    @benm5970 8 місяців тому +2

    Yknow what I think the first teaser for this movie should be? It should start with seeing the Kent farm house early in the morning as the sun is rising, it zooms in on the road, you hear the sound of Superman landing, you see his boots walking towards the house, it starts panning upward from the back, he passes by the Kent mailbox, he puts his hand on it, exhales, flies up into space, he looks down at the earth as it pans all the way up to his neck and to the side, you hear a faint cry for help, Superman turns his head, showing David Cornswett’s face with a slight shadow on the side of it, then he flies towards a distant part of the earth and the title Superman: Legacy appears

  • @CoryJonesMusic
    @CoryJonesMusic 8 місяців тому +3

    I see what John is saying audience wise but it has to make money in order for the powers that be not to step in and mess it up.

  • @loganboettcher8314
    @loganboettcher8314 8 місяців тому +1

    I guess the obvious comp is to Iron Man since they both were movies that were essential to being successful to start their cinematic universes. Opening weekend domestic for IM was $102M with a $585M overall worldwide; adjusted for inflation, that's $145M and $830M. $145M is basically the Super Mario Bros Movie and $830M is basically Guardians of the Galaxy 3, so seems very doable to make sufficient money as well as be a good film to kick off the new DCU.

  • @damiandekker474
    @damiandekker474 8 місяців тому +5

    Nope. If there's one thing James Gunn knows how to do, it's make great films on a budget.

  • @Ronfost89
    @Ronfost89 8 місяців тому +2

    They still haven't learned that a huge budget doesn't automatically make a good movie? Honestly you could make a damn good Superman movie with a very modest budget, aside from flying and maybe 1 quick instance of super strength and invulnerability is all the cgi they would need. The best Superman stories tend to be the ones he fights the least in.

  • @JezzaBondiBeach
    @JezzaBondiBeach 8 місяців тому +2

    I’m really excited for Superman Legacy 💪🏼💪🏼

  • @brandondavis3431
    @brandondavis3431 8 місяців тому +2

    James Gunn’s last superhero movie made $845 million I think his Superman movie can be profitable. People do like Superman and if it’s good general audiences will see it too.

  • @oldmanvegas1957
    @oldmanvegas1957 Місяць тому +1

    Thanks for the information. This is really interesting.

  • @j_mobile206
    @j_mobile206 8 місяців тому +4

    But if it is “great,” I’d imagine it’d make big-ish money. If the opening weekend is bad, but word is that it’s awesome, than people would come the following weekends, and more money would be made. It’s gonna be a tent pole movie, so it’s gonna be everywhere. I’ve never heard of a FOUR QUADRANT, TENT POLE movie, that was GREAT, yet didn’t make money.

  • @Ultimate-Deadpool
    @Ultimate-Deadpool 8 місяців тому +10

    According to John Superman doesn't need to make money what stupid logic as Supergirl movie is next after then that'll be a flop too , then dc will be relying on Batman brave and the bold to save the day again

    • @imed-ha77
      @imed-ha77 3 місяці тому

      Tbh, Batman always saves the day

  • @robertjackson9005
    @robertjackson9005 8 місяців тому +2

    10:02 Correction John! Aquaman 2 actually made $434 million worldwide

  • @ngin98
    @ngin98 8 місяців тому +9

    john is so hard headed sometimes it HAS to do both 😂😭

  • @MichaelBrown-lw9kz
    @MichaelBrown-lw9kz 8 місяців тому +13

    John is delusional. This new Superman movie absolutely has to make money. If the movie is great, it will make money.

    • @MrAndyFlick
      @MrAndyFlick 8 місяців тому +1

      I don't think you got the point he's trying to make.

    • @Jcool0
      @Jcool0 8 місяців тому +1

      @@MrAndyFlick you clearly didn't

    • @Cakebattered
      @Cakebattered 7 місяців тому +2

      WB is hurting for money. They aren't using Superman as a loss-leader. Superman must do well at the Box office.

  • @dustindixon6628
    @dustindixon6628 8 місяців тому +2

    Imagine John's theory here. It gets 99% rotten tomatoes...but makes 200M World Wide (a bomb)...and yup they continue. No...they wouldn't without /firing Gunn. Then he goes and brings up a football game being lost - then the team going on to win Superbowl wow a STRETCH.

  • @dcrownso2
    @dcrownso2 8 місяців тому +5

    As long as it's a critical success and grosses
    $700 million globally they'll be fine

  • @davidalexander-dhs-baltimo2708
    @davidalexander-dhs-baltimo2708 8 місяців тому +4

    I guess John does not count Joker and The Batman but he counts the DCEU without Snyder.🤔

    • @Wolfhunter5607
      @Wolfhunter5607 8 місяців тому

      yea that doesn’t make sense lmao

  • @thomasshelby5454
    @thomasshelby5454 8 місяців тому +9

    "everybody given up on the DC brand" yeah stfu john.. The Batman and Joker said the otherwise, Batman and Superman undoubtedly the most iconic superhero of all time along with spiderman. there will be another batman or superman in the next 100 years. the character is just too big and too iconic

    • @stevenflores80
      @stevenflores80 8 місяців тому

      He biased he still stuck on man of steel

    • @thomasshelby5454
      @thomasshelby5454 8 місяців тому +2

      @@stevenflores80 well he said man of steel is the best superhero film of all time, imagine having your standard THAT LOW, doesnt even accurate superman from comic. dark tones overall

  • @thomasduncan5522
    @thomasduncan5522 8 місяців тому +1

    I was finishing this when I saw the suit logo post!

  • @marvincharles7332
    @marvincharles7332 8 місяців тому +1

    If people have a great time at the theaters watching this movie, doesn’t that mean that more people will go to the theaters to watch it, and (in turn) it will make a lot of money? So his thinking is that people will love this movie and it will not make money. It is absolutely be easy for this movie to make money. Otherwise the studio and producers will be reluctant to make another.

  • @Casual.Man23
    @Casual.Man23 8 місяців тому +1

    I don’t understand why film makers take a lower budget approach . An example of that is Chronicle with Michael B Jordan

  • @shanetaylor761
    @shanetaylor761 8 місяців тому +2

    The only way the movie succeeds without making alot of money is if the movies to follow continues to be great. If you gain a bunch of good will off a movie and then release trash, you sabotage your momentum. That's not to relevant though because i don't agree with John. James Gunn is very popular among nerds. Superman is popular globally. Trailers play a huge part in success and James will at the very least make a movie good enough to cut a great trailer. More likely the movie will be great imo. I think the question is just if this will make alot of money or a whole whole bunch.

  • @mmadmbjm
    @mmadmbjm 8 місяців тому +2

    The same thing was said of Man of Steel and look what happened to that film?

    • @barbaciante
      @barbaciante 7 місяців тому

      That was because of the reception. Think to Batman Begins. People can't know if they're gonna like a movie or not, but if the movie is a sequel of something they liked (maybe watched in home video after have heard somewhere that it was good), they are more interested...

  • @garygoggin
    @garygoggin 8 місяців тому +6

    Of course it has to make money! The knock-on effect of yet another box office failure will derail the whole reboot! These movies exist to do one thing! To make money!

    • @garygoggin
      @garygoggin 8 місяців тому

      I would love to see what innovations Gunn could Come up with if he only had a budget of 100 million!

  • @JamielPridgen68
    @JamielPridgen68 8 місяців тому +1

    I kind of agree with him in a way if you look at Godzilla minus one which made $100 million and it’s getting a sequel and even a second or third movie are being planned. Who knows it might even surprisingly eventually one day take over the monster verse here in America, just saying anything can happen and by the way the first Mcu movie the Hulk I think it didn’t even crack 300 million worldwide but the last movie did lol over 2 billion

  • @wolframflorian
    @wolframflorian 8 місяців тому +1

    It‘s about effin time that Hollywood starts to understand, that we as an audience actually want to see movies that are good first and foremost.

  • @pamponpan3376
    @pamponpan3376 8 місяців тому

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  • @Andyroar1
    @Andyroar1 8 місяців тому +7

    Nah , John. It’s gotta be huge BO as well. Good job you’re not running the Dcu. 😂

  • @ShaMagic
    @ShaMagic 8 місяців тому +4

    I hope this movie is not goofy, and i hope it doesn't have so many jokes

  • @studiovue
    @studiovue 8 місяців тому +2

    John's wrong - it has to do both, at least to a degree. If it tanks at the box office, they're going to abandon the DCU, even with all their future plans.

  • @White_Tiger2169
    @White_Tiger2169 8 місяців тому +2

    He was a big cast. Don’t you think a large amount of budget will go to pay them

  • @king_julian327
    @king_julian327 8 місяців тому +5

    It's already a failing franchise if it doesn't at the very least turn a profit of 50mil. The only way this will happen is if people return for additional viewings and the word of mouth is excellent. It having a high crtic score would do no harm too. They've gotta blow us away. I'm giving them the benefit of doubt until that trailer drop.

    • @poe-ta-toe4946
      @poe-ta-toe4946 8 місяців тому

      This has to be the best Superman movie ever to be successful financial wise

  • @dnice4145
    @dnice4145 8 місяців тому +1

    I bet its going to be very good. It better come with a different hook then people expect. I dont think the dc properties are "connected universe" worthy.

  • @itsrightbehindyou
    @itsrightbehindyou 7 місяців тому +1

    Iron Man (2008) used a $140 million budget. The focus was on the character and his journey. You don't need $300+ million dollars to create an amazing character intro.

    • @imed-ha77
      @imed-ha77 3 місяці тому

      Tons of characters will appear in the Superman movie

  • @KrSwag51
    @KrSwag51 8 місяців тому

    If its as good as guardians 1 and makes at least 700M theyll have success as a start if it under performs that line its gonna have a lot of question marks and could hurt to start. Thats still a high bar but its a reboot and guardians 1 had the same expectation as something different in the mcu. So i feel like thats a solid line to reach to succeed

  • @robertsestito6821
    @robertsestito6821 8 місяців тому +1

    They don't have to pay any of these actors so it being 150 is more like a marvel avengers 250m cause of the lack of payroll.

  • @Linktheevil1211
    @Linktheevil1211 8 місяців тому +5

    If this movie loose money at the box office Snyder fanboys would go nuts and blame James because they got rid of Zach Snyder

    • @Wolfhunter5607
      @Wolfhunter5607 8 місяців тому

      they got rid of sndyer long before Gunn so they’d be crying for no reason. They should worry about Lin over at netflix now

    • @Linktheevil1211
      @Linktheevil1211 8 місяців тому

      @@Wolfhunter5607 they are blindsided and blame Gunn for no reason, if Zach Snyder move on why can’t they do the same, I’m on one of the groups and holly cow they are the most toxic fanbase why can’t they be happy for other people to create a different universe we all want DC to succeed but they are gatekeepers and don’t want anyone to direct DC movies aside from Zach Snyder

  • @CinemaBear
    @CinemaBear 8 місяців тому +1

    If it's s good movie, it doesn't matter what the budget is.

  • @kevinhayden4352
    @kevinhayden4352 8 місяців тому +5

    He hasn't got a clue if this is not a financial succes the reboot is dead. No doubt he will change his opinion down the line like he always does.

    • @hollywoodpineapple8337
      @hollywoodpineapple8337 8 місяців тому +1

      Yeah, i dont know what type of nonsense he saying. If it's 'awesome' and it doesn't make money then audiences don't think its awesome and wont be watching all the other films based on characters he didn't ask for. This don't have to make billions BUT he DOES have to make money or at least break even. If This flops why would people wanna go watch the other stuff...This isn't the same things marvel. People are becoming fatigued with these superhero films because of the agendas and poor quality they've been putting out. They not gonna waste money on something that isn't good and if good people will see. Thats where we are right now. Not sure what logic this dude is using.

    • @hollywoodpineapple8337
      @hollywoodpineapple8337 8 місяців тому

      @@ramoncarter3121 The issue is he has this idea that is can be an awesome film and not make money. Then by whose standards with this awesomeness be getting judged? His? Or the professional critics? Their opinions don't matter anymore. Its what the audience thinks. And if they think its a good movie they'll go watch if they don't and he thinks its awesome and it flops...WB would be flushing money if they continue on with the other stuff that folks were even less enthusiastic about.

  • @davidgyamfi1068
    @davidgyamfi1068 7 місяців тому

    I Love Johns Sports Analogies

  • @WAHegle91
    @WAHegle91 8 місяців тому +1

    If that’s NoHo Hank in the yellow jacket in the cast photo, then I have hope that this movie will be great.

    • @molin1
      @molin1 8 місяців тому

      It is indeed, cast as Metamorpho.

  • @jabig1
    @jabig1 7 місяців тому

    Thanks for your opinion.

  • @harrismatthew5553
    @harrismatthew5553 8 місяців тому +2

    Unpopular opinion but this new movie universe should’ve been revolved around Batman. He’s the best character DC has as far as movies go.

  • @garydodd2837
    @garydodd2837 8 місяців тому +2

    It doesnt have to be the greatest ever..just has to be a very good movie and a movie that has four quadrant appeal

  • @josermaiz
    @josermaiz 8 місяців тому +2

    Superman: Legacy’ Gets Title Change From James Gunn

  • @worlddd7777
    @worlddd7777 6 місяців тому

    It all comes down whether movie is great or not. And that one needs to be absolutely amazing to pull attention back to DC

  • @randyodonnell7579
    @randyodonnell7579 8 місяців тому

    John - if Legacy is fabulous as you and Robert says it must be then it will have legs and more than break even. A 150 million budget with marketing 100 million makes 550 million the breakeven point. If it does not at least break even, and do better really, it's over for the Superman film IP and Gunn's DCU will be scaled back - perhaps reverting to Batman projects and building from there. It will be a disaster if it does not match MOS numbers of 668 million. And in today's dollars MOS made 794 million. It has to at least match MOS or it's toast.

  • @jackblack9605
    @jackblack9605 8 місяців тому +6

    I kinda disagree with John. I think worse case this movie needs to be like the Mario movie. Mixed critic score but excellent audience score with good word mouth that kept people going to the cinema to watch it, and hit the 1 billion dollars mark.

  • @hollywoodpineapple8337
    @hollywoodpineapple8337 8 місяців тому +2

    Black Adam had poor market position due to releasing shortly before Black Panther 2 and it seemed they most promotion they were doing was relying on The Rock and nothing else. This HAS to make money or at least break even (actually not superficially). Who decides what is AWESOME? You? NO! It's the AUDIENCE that will be deciding these days. It doesn't matter what analogy or references you want to use. If THIS flops the other films won't get people in the theater. In order to set up the other films you have to get people into seeing this film in the first place. If this is a masterpiece and no one sees it then how is it gonna get people into watching the rest of films, when the other films don't he line up folks don't really care about much? It HAS to do well financially and THAT will SAY that it's a good movie. This bombs they will be scrapping this. That said, Gunn is capable of making a good film he will just have to hold back on the Guardians of the Galaxy type vibes.

    • @Cakebattered
      @Cakebattered 7 місяців тому

      Black Adam had no Chinese release, that's why it box office numbers were low.

    • @hollywoodpineapple8337
      @hollywoodpineapple8337 7 місяців тому

      @@Cakebattered Perhaps that too but Im telling you releasing shortly before BP2 marketing was always going to swallow it's own attention. That timing was VERY wrong.

  • @bronxprpapi
    @bronxprpapi 8 місяців тому +5

    This guy took the guardians of the galaxy who nobody knew about and made a billion dollar trilogy so I have much Faith in James Gunn just based of his success with guardians

    • @TheMediaTable
      @TheMediaTable 8 місяців тому

      Agreed. I cried when Guardian of the Galaxy Vol 3 ended.

  • @jean-francoisjoanisse1445
    @jean-francoisjoanisse1445 8 місяців тому +2

    Looking at this picture of Superman & Lois...they look like kids.

  • @keithoneil9894
    @keithoneil9894 8 місяців тому +7

    The movie has to be good, AND it needs to be financially successful. There will be no incentive to make more movies if it doesn’t do well at the box office.

    • @hemantks4353
      @hemantks4353 8 місяців тому

      That's why The Dark knight, Across the spiderverse, Dune 2 were made? Because their predecessors made alot of money?

    • @keithoneil9894
      @keithoneil9894 8 місяців тому

      @@hemantks4353 Considering Into the Spider-verse had a budget of $90 million and made almost $385 million, that is a lot of money.
      My point being John saying the movie "doesn't have to be finically successful" and even said in the past "it was OK if it loses money" doesn't make any sense.
      His analogy of using football doesn't make add up either. Every movie's release is their Super Bowl. There is no "week 1" in the film industry.

  • @topman200000
    @topman200000 8 місяців тому

    Well we know the famous saying..."if you take on the responsibility, great power will come".......

  • @themadnucleus101
    @themadnucleus101 8 місяців тому +3

    Theyre in debt john they need this to bank big along every other theatrical release

    • @kalenberreman8252
      @kalenberreman8252 8 місяців тому

      That doesn’t mean they have to “bank big,” they have to be profitable.

    • @themadnucleus101
      @themadnucleus101 8 місяців тому +1

      @kalenberreman8252 if you only saw what their stock you'd agree with me that they need to make big bank

  • @bunnyfreakz
    @bunnyfreakz 8 місяців тому +1

    I hope they spend those budget for writing.

  • @captaincorona9488
    @captaincorona9488 8 місяців тому +2

    Hello, Warner Brothers and James Gunn. The fans do not care how much the movie cost. No one cares two farts if it is Superman, Batman, Aquaman movie. Just make a good movie that audiences and critics both love and you will see them flock in the theaters.

  • @cptkirk1978
    @cptkirk1978 8 місяців тому

    well Gunn just recently debunk this rumor on Threads..he doesn't even know where this rumor came from

  • @raymondseye
    @raymondseye 8 місяців тому +7

    So you won’t be judging Legacy if it doesn’t make money, but you judge Snyder’s first MOS not making enough. 🤡

  • @alejandroangel998
    @alejandroangel998 8 місяців тому

    The studio wants both financial success and reviews, the main reason they're trying so hard to do another cinematic universe is because they want what the MCU made for a long time

  • @astupuma27
    @astupuma27 8 місяців тому +2

    At least has to be profitable

  • @frednichols9851
    @frednichols9851 8 місяців тому +4

    John is high

    • @BigZ-19
      @BigZ-19 8 місяців тому

      On god he got dat Jamaican leaf