I have 2 Tikka's, one stainless and one cerkoted. One has the Mountain Tactical bottom metal and trigger spring, the other is totally stock. I am really glad yall published the first video as I noticed some crustiness with those plugs upon my scopebase installation. I will take my scopebase off to see how well the cerakote application is. For what it is worth, I thought your first video did not have a negative tone. Like you said, I thought it was very honest and blunt. Not an attack on Tikka, but rather an assessment of the issue and a service announcement to us customers. While I am glad Tikka did respond, it seems strange they had to express disappointment in your messaging. Hopefully this situation will make Tikka, Mountain Tactical, and us customers all better for the long run. Thanks for the follow up!
Mate you were being honest and not Tikka bashing. I have friends that are from Finland and they can be blunt and stubborn, maybe he should not be in that role if he responds like that.
@@mountaintacticalcompany Have you reached out to Beretta directly? I know they own Tikka and they seem to value their clients. May be worth reaching out to them and sharing your experience (or at minimum, a link to this vid). Thanks for sharing.
Watch this video and the first video. I’ve been working directly with Beretta and Sako for almost 15 years. I explain that Beretta knew about this and the first video prior to posting them. In this video I cover the conversation between Beretta, Sako, and myself.
I bought a Tikka t3x Veil Wideland in December '23 and can confirm with the light test that the top of the receiver is not flat due to the cerekote buildup at the ends. Just took a 1000 grit sandpaper and cleaned it up while periodically checking the flatness with a Starrett straight edge. Tikka really needs to add a flat grinding step to the post processing.
I'm a cerified Cerakote applicator and I can verify that if they are spraying thicker than recommended by NIC Industries for "durability" then they are not applying properly.
I converted a factory stainless Tikka T3x 308 to a custom. 2 tone cerakote, black and patriot brown. The entire bolt and entire action are coated. Absolutely smooth as it was in factory configuration.
The red and black CTR I point out in the video is silky smooth as well. But I can understand how that level of quality would be difficult to control in mass production.
@@Accuracy1st which factory do you find works best? I’m curious because I find federal terminal ascent 175gr grouping the best for my rifle and didn’t have much luck with 150 gr. But I’ve heard a lot of people do well with the 150gr
Your message seems to be honest assessment and for Tikka a good customer learning experience and a wise company would see the need to make adjustments/improvements to the coating level maybe use a harder ceracoating! Because they have fine rifles!!
Nowadays consumers with quality questions will embrace the emotional response quicker than rational.. especially if their concerns are left unaddressed. Fortunately when quality questions surface they usually expose stagnation in the current process. Thank you for the update.
Seems Cerakote is kind a fad that’s not really working out for them . If you need to apply it to a stainless action and barrel what’s the point ?? Yes I get that it looks cool as you get the colour you like . I’m thinking long term it’s not the greatest option as it will chip and discolour. That’s my 2 cents . I like my stainless guns looking stainless.
I have cerakoted many of my own guns the last 9-10 years and even if I use my guns VERY hard and at times hunt in very rough terrain, including in mountains with lots of rocks and stones, have I still not chipped off any cerakote. And if you experience any discoloring, then it is very easy to remove it all and do it all over again or just give it another layer. There are some colors that have poor UV stability and can discolor over time while others are much more UV stable. Stormtrooper White is an example of a cerakote color that has VERY poor UV stability and it turns yellow/ish rather quickly. In general are the lighter colors worse when it comes to UV stability. Poor prep work can also result in discoloring. Personally I do not like hunting with stainless rifles as they make me feel to exposed and visible to my prey. Much of that is most likely just in my head, but having been a sniper in the military for years have made me very focused on being as little visible to my prey as possible. I also think the rifles look way better cerakoted than when they have the stainless look. The cerakoting also protects the rifles better against staining/corrosion when hunting in coastal areas. Even if they are stainless are they not stain/rust proof and the cerakote helps with that.
@@The_Judge300 If you just want to add some dulling or darkness to a stainless finish, all you have to do is hold the surface above a burning candle for a couple of seconds to add dark carbon to the surface to take off the metal shine. You could also just use grease sticks, or hobby paint. They all easily clean-off stainless steel or can be renewed.
I live in South Africa, and the price point of Tikka and Sako rifles is extremely high, also if you experience a problem with a rifle , it a extreme process to get the rifle shipped of etc , so Quality is extremely important,....thanks for the honest video and information,well done
I think you're correct in stating that they are skipping a step or taking the shortest route by not chasing the treads at the factory after the cerakote. That mess around the plastic screws looks fugly. Do they expect everyone to have an 8-42 tap? I do have a couple on my bench, but I would bet most people don't.
Thank you all at Mountain Tactical for being so passionate about these rifles and their pro’s and con’s. I can understand companies like Tikka/Sako don’t want to have bad press about their products, But ! WE all as enthusiasts and lovers of these rifles/platforms NEED to call them out when we have definitive black and white proof of such issues and demand answers, I mean we are shelling out our hard earned money on these brands/rifles. And if these issues are not taken into consideration and or are on the path for correction/recall, then well I can always go spend my hard earned money on another brand that doesn’t have these issues and or cares more about customer feedback, weather it is good and or bad. Thanks again Mountain Tactical for all you do on these videos and rifles, you always explain things so any gun enthusiast newbie or long time veteran with guns can understand the knowledge you drop. Plus I love the visuals you show as well, I myself am 110% a visual learner, and catch on very quickly with visuals. Much love !
Thank you for your support. You are why we do what we do! I still love Tikkas…. But like you said, when it comes down to your hard earned dollars, you should have confidence in what you are buying
My suggestion would be to epoxy bed the scope rail for this type of rifle, until they come up with a solution to this issue. That said, if I were Tikka I just wouldn't offer the lighter tone cerakote. As you say, there shouldn't be any compromise with respect to mating surfaces when it comes to precision rifles.
I completely agree on both points. I am going to use this rifle in a video showing people how to bed their rails. Not that Sako has confirmed these are all stainless, I don’t mind if I hit bare metal when I rough up the top surface of the action so the epoxy has something to grab onto. Regarding the color, if it was me, I would not have continued with the light colors on the Veils after the initial issues in 2020. But I’m playing Monday morning quarterback.
COuldn't agree more. Would just happily stick with stainless tikkas anyway and skip paying more for the fancy colours that are going to wear and chip off anyway.
A couple of things, you can do what warne and the USMC does…and just soak blue loctite under the rail and essentially bed it with that, or…it’s a hunting rifle. There is essentially no need for anything other than the awesome built in rings mounts that have the little recoil lugs. No rail needed at all. We aren’t adding elevation, and unless you’re the kind of guy that loves a $3000 scope that you move from rifle to rifle…what are we doing?
I have 3 factory cerakoted Tikka roughtec barreled actions. All 3 have thousands of rounds through them with zero issues using Unknown Munitions Tikka rings to mount Maven RS1.2 scopes. . Haven’t had to “re-zero” any of these guns once. What is this supposed issue causing in real field use that you’ve seen?
I did have a bit of overspray in the capped “holes”. 2 seconds with a 1/6th” drill bit and the UM threaded pins used to mount the scope went in with zero issues. I’ve had to do this on factory stainless threads as well.
He is just creating storm in a glass of water and his accuracy "issues" are more theory than reality. The reality is also that the Tikka rifles come with an accuracy guarantee, included the cerakoted ones, so I guess Tikka are not worried about loss in accuracy as well. Another reality is that at least 95% of all hunters are far from able to take advantage of the accuracy in the Tikka rifles and most US made ammo shoots way worse than the accuracy Tikka rifles are able to shoot as well. Only the best shots with top factory ammo or well made hand loads are able to take advantage of the Tikka accuracy in real field use and even then will wind and lasering the distance incorrectly affect the accuracy way more than his theoretical loss in accuracy because of the coating.
It's really good your doing these videos advantage people wouldn't know this and might give up on the brand if issues occurred, at least now they know what's could be going on !! Great video!!
I think all parties responded factually and reasonably. Maybe tikka didnt like the video, with their response in the letter and thats okay, its their product being criticised. Moving on the problem was highlighted homestly and factually. This is not what any marketing department wants to hear but it is being looked at. Respect for tikka in responding this way! It may not be the way they wanted it handled but thats life. The US market would be quire big i would imagine so this is a postive for the end user in the long run. Industrial development processes are going to have issues and its better they are highlighted early. Well done on all sides! Keep on with the great work!
I have seen issues across multiple brands that sell "factory" cerakoted rifles. I had my stainless t3x lite cerakoted by my local gunsmith and it turned awesome with seemingly no issues so far. I handled a GoWild Ruger American at a gun store and asked why they were asking "new" prices for a used gun because the cerakote was worn to metal in several places. I was told "that is a new rifle, it's just work from being handled in the store"...!!! I paid a little more, but I'm a lot more happy with my gun finish.
THANK YOU FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING. Bottom line They screwed up trying to cut corners on coating process. This should have never happened. This process has been done for years, and Every Manufacture should have it perfected. BIG DEAL , About Mika Micka , whatever!!! He shouldn't get his shorts in a bunch over that. Just keep doing the right thing. GOOD ON YA!!!
Great informative video. I saw frustration in your voice but in my opinion it was warranted considering how much your business intertwines with Tikka. Hopefully they will investigate on their end if there is any issues that need to be addressed. One thing I Learned from your experience is whenever a company “farms” out a part of their manufacturing process to another company, QUALITY CONTROL” usually suffers. Out of sight, out of mind? Keep up the good work! With any firearm, QUALITY has too be job one!!
If you feel it necessary to clean the threads, PLEASE use a thread chaser and NOT a tap. Taps repair damaged threads and will change the hole dimensions. Thread chasers only clean debris and tiny burs from holes.
Wouldn't have bought a cerakoted Tikka in the first place, thankfully! Can't beat just plain stainless. Have also never heard of anyone passing a tap before installing scope base screws
I have a tikka lite veil alpine in 6.5 CR and I’ve been using and shooting it. I haven’t noticed any of these problems. I’ve been very pleased with mine although I’m not sure I’m a fan of the 6.5 CR haha. I have a Leupold rail on mine. I’ll tried the light test and there is no light showing through. The rail looks tight. I’d have to unmount the scope and rail to test it further and I won’t do that at this point in the year. I don’t see any flaws in my cerakote even with a light and the magnifying glass. Mine is about a 2 year old rifle.
@@mountaintacticalcompany. Yep. Mine is well made. As I said I’m just not sure about the 6.5. I’ve mostly been a 7mm guy and the 6.5 seems like it makes small holes. We have to use copper in CA and it doesn’t expand as well as lead used to. I got 15% off on that rifle that’s why I bought it.
I have experience with cerekoted Weatherbys and can verify cerekote on the bolt makes cycling action rough. I end up cycling action bolt back and forth to smooth it out and ends up wearing down near metal along bearing surfaces.
What I see from uneven coatings on rifles is the inability to accurately level the rifle when mounting a scope. I've also seen it interfere with windage adjustment when attempting to zero.
It’s time to start making parts for Howa rifles. They are getting so popular, and with the cost of Tikkas doubling, I see Howa taking more market share.
@@mountaintacticalcompany I have tested many Howa rifles and even if many of them shoot well and some very well, is the overall accuracy not even close to what you get from Tikka rifles. Is the accuracy in most Howa rifles good enough for most hunters in the US? Yes, for sure, but you need to be lucky to get a Howa that is as accurate as an average Tikka is and I would for sure not buy a Howa if I wanted a rifle for long range shooting or hunting. Or for any kind of competition shooting. But they are great rifles for most whitetail hunting and similar types of hunting.
Seriously! Do NOT advice people to use a thread tap to remove plastic residues from the threads. You need use a thread chaser for that. Two VERY different tools. I would also love to see you prove the loss in accuracy because of the cerakote. I would be shocked if it results in you not able to group top quality ammo inside the guaranteed Tikka accuracy. Funny thing is that also Tikka seem to be sure about that and still give the same accuracy guarantee with these cerakoted rifles.
Please forward a link for a 6-48 thread chaser. We’ll pass that info on to everyone. Anyone who has studied precision rifles understands the importance trued mechanical mating surfaces. I.e. barrel to receiver, locking lugs to receiver, scope mount to receiver. This has all been studied, understood, and explained many times.
@@mountaintacticalcompany I have a set with thread chasers that I bought from Brownells or Midway many years ago and I am not sure if it is possible to buy one single 6-48 thread chaser anywhere. It is also rather easy to make your own 6-48 thread chaser from a long 6-48 screw. How to do that is easily found online. It is still smart to use lubrication when using a thread chaser, even if the threads are not damaged and you only use it to remove plastic. I always use a thread chaser on new rifles before putting on the scope mounts to make sure everything is as it should before I start to screw in the mount screws. I have experienced two times that threads were damaged from the factory. Once on a Ruger and once on a Remington. And yes, mating surfaces are beneficial for accuracy, but the reality is also that very many tend to make some of them way more important than they really are. Like when it comes to the scope mounts to the receiver. What matters the most of all when it comes to the scope, the scope mounts and the receiver is that nothing moves. And in general when it comes to accuracy, then repeatability is king. Tension doesn't equal inaccuracy as long as it stays the same and nothing moves. Many have also talked a lot about how important it is to lap the locking lugs for improved precision over the years, but real tests have proven that this is almost always a waste of time and money and can often do more harm than good. Even a Krag with one locking lug only can have VERY good precision. My own Krag that is from 1918 shoots 1/2 moa and less 3 shot groups with my handloads and that is as good or better than most Tikka rifles and for sure better than most modern US made rifles. And that with a scope mount that is far from what many think is ideal for precision shooting. The real question is what precision do you really need for your practical use? Tikka guarantee 1moa 3-shot groups or better, so if you are correct in your fears when it comes to the coating and it's effect on the precision, then the buyer can use the warranty. If you are chasing sub .5 groups or even sub 0.25 groups, then you most likely will experience many Tikkas that will not deliver that for you, no matter if it has coating or not. But, if this issue make you not feel confident in what accuracy the rifle can deliver, then do what you think is needed to fix it or just sell it. Personally I would just test it as it is and see if the accuracy is there and if it is not, then I would deliver it back on the warranty.
Keep up the good work, no reason someone getting but hurt for someone pointing out things wrong with products, I love Sako's, my favorite production rifles, but I do have some gripes with some of their rifle models.
I can speak for cerakote in the action. My gunsmith coated my bolts and actions on two of my tikkas, and they are not even close to being as smooth cycling as my 223 AI tikka that I decided not to coat. The bolts even have spots where they slow down due to the cerakote. Maybe the shop I used isn’t as good at coating as others, but both rifles are not as smooth as my non coated t3x.
One of my Tikkas (Varmint in .308)bought back in 2014 has passed 8000 shots. It still shoots subMOA and even sub 0.5 MOA at extended ranges. I don`t have a clue of the material this barrel was made of, but one thing i can say for sure: the bolt-action is on another level compared to the nowadays Sako/Tikka rifles. It`s like a different brand - there is no such smoothness and gentle greasy lightness this action operates with. Unfortunately the bar dropped another low these days and this goes for the most "big" brands in the industry.
That’s a well loved rifle! I’d say that Sako/Tikka is still an incredible rifle. They cut some corners on their Cerakote process, but their core product is still incredible.
We’re currently in a climate where it seems everyone gets triggered about everything! I don’t thing it’s personal per se, just knee jerk reactions… that said.. people need to do better overall..
I’ve used 140VLD’s with huge success. I use RL26 powder at 3250. Total custom defiance anti x. Manners LRH stock. Carbon 6 25” barrel. Little bastard brake. Diamond trigger
I would never run a tap to clean out the threads unless you had damaged threads or rust on the threads. Doing this on a new firearm is asking for issues, possibly causing slop when installing the screw. Big difference between tapping a hole with a cnc mill vs using the tap by hand. I would clean out the threaded hole with alcohol and compressed air. Then thread your screw in the hole and be sure it goes all the way in with no issues. Last, using blue loctite, mount your bases...
Great video - sad they chose to attack the messenger's exasperated tone - perhaps they should be talking with Beretta about their customer service? My main concern is that Tikka's quality control seems to be their negative feedback from customers = the customers are their QA system. A lot of customers vote with their feet or wallet, without saying why. From a risk point of view to your business, I would suggest you look at making accessories for other brands
I just got the all stainless rough tech in 300wsm and it’s a damn hammer. I can’t find one flaw in the fit and finish of it. Cost me $1,350 after tax and shipping
What is “best” and what is “common” are very rarely similar. My friends and I commonly work under the assumption everything is broken until you check it. Everything is uneven until you true it. We as a group, true all new rifles actions, and bed every contact point. It’s just the way we have all always done things. However I know the common practice is to shoot it as is.
I see no reasons to tinker with any of my guns before I see any need for it. Why do you feel the need to start to tinker with a gun before you have even tested how well it shoots or if it needs any sort of tinkering at all? If I assume that a gun needs tinkering already when I consider to buy it, then I am for sure not buying it. And usually I just sell a gun if it needs any tinkering for it to shoot as well as I want it to shoot. And I am EXTREMELY *nal about accuracy. I am not even accepting a rifle I use for Elephants and Buffalos to shoot bigger 3-shot groups than 1 moa. Even my Krag from 1918 is shooting well under 1 moa 3-shot groups. And the rife I am using for long range hunting is shooting sub .25 moa 3-shot groups.
All Cerakoted Tikkas have the screw issue. The Alpine and Coyote Tan are the two colors that are uneven. Double check the color code on the one you are looking at to ensure it’s not the tan they are having issues with.
For me, it never really struck me as a big deal, maybe a tiny PITA in having to clean some screw holes, if the overspray inside was an issue, it'd most likely show up when I checked it at the coun ter before buying. As to the rail mount, even though the processes are far better these days and that shouldn't happen, it's mass production from an outside vendor, it will happen. Be interesting to see if other mfgrs have the issue with lighter colours as well, the answer on that sounds a bit dodgy. None of the above would really stop me from buying one, Not buying based on this stuff, probably didn't really want it in the first place.
I 100% agree. They/he is making a much bigger deal out of these minor issues than they really are. And I would love to see him prove this loss in accuracy as he claims can be the result. Even claiming it can be an issue without proving it can be an issue is VERY questionable and unprofessional in my opinion. And this "issue" with lighter cerakote colors are the same if not worse for all mfgrs that cerakote their guns. The reality is that quality of the cerakote in lighter colors are not as good against wear and tear and because of this is it needed to coat thicker to make it stronger. against wear and tear. I have been cerakoting many of my own guns for the last 9-10 years and I have not used any lighter colors because of this. When it comes to buying one of this cerakoted Tikkas, would I not be worried about any of his issues with it at all. I know multiple hunters that have bought this gun and they are plenty happy with both the accuracy and everything else. The reality is also that Tikka have the same accuracy guarantee for these cerakoted rifles as they have with all of their rifles. So, if the rifle doesn't shoot well, no matter if it is because of the coating or any other reasons, you will have the warranty. But I would be shocked if your cerakoted Tikka doesn't shoot very well if you decide to buy one.
As long as you can get the surface flat and level, you’ll be good to go. We’re playing with the best way to do this and will post a follow up video. Cheers!
Dear Tikka, you can respond to constructive criticism either by learning and correcting, or by being defensive in light of clear evidence. It doesn’t take a machinist or engineer to grab a rifle off the shelf, feel the crappy sticking of the bolt or look at the coating issues on the action. Less excuses, more corrections please. You make the best factory hunting rifles even at 2x their price point. Don’t blow it.
Wish tikka made there magazine longer for the long actions like the rem mag just for the hand loaders as at the moment as a hand loader we are governed by the mag length that would be a game changer
No kidding! The S20 magazine has 3.6” to play with and the actions are almost the same length. We made LA AICS conversion kits for a while but they didn’t sell well.
Tikka is a production rifle. I feel like if you need everything to be "perfect," you need to spend a little more for a custom built rifle. I mean look what Gunwerks charges. They can afford to pay close attention to "every" single rifle and detail as mentioned. Yes, theres always room for improvement on the production line, but let's not forget it's still a production rifle. I have the Bergara Wilderness hmr 7prc, and the recoil lug had cerakote overspray on it, and it had to be scrapped off. It's a good shooting rifle, but i cant forget its a "production" rifle. I spent 1,100$ on it. Small price to pay for sub moa rifle and rifle that looks stunning. Tikka t3 tactical was my first rifle and has served me well over the years an recently did a barrel swap. Maybe its just me, but if everything needed to be absolutely perfect then a custom built rifle is the way to go. Naturally youd pay a significantly higher price than a tikka. Id expect the cerakoted Gen2 Ruger American not to be absolutely perfect either, same thing.
I like bare stainless steel. Çeracoat or any coverup coat is used by savage to hide non finished parts. Bare stainless is better than anything and can be finish polished without destroying the finish.
After seeing these videos im glad i bought a standard stainless tikka t3x instead of the cerakoted version. Just seems like oversight on tikkas part imo
I love my Tikka. However I'm confused about Tikka's response about your "Tone" in the last video. Does "Tone" mean the same as "The truth" in Finnish? Sorry but it just sounded like a Juvenile response. I appreciate you making these videos. Tikka's are great guns! Hopefully this issue is short lived and hopefully anyone with this Cerakote problem will receive good customer support from Beretta.
I don't see the guys working at big box stores as experts by any stretch anyway. Only person I trust to do anything to my rifles is me or preferably, the rifle builders I use for advanced work
Is this only a problem with the Veil Wideland models? I just purchased a Sportsman’s exclusive Roughtech (it’s got a green stock and grey barrel). I didn’t take a close look at the screw holes and definitely didn’t do the light test. I have to wait 9 more days to pick it up. I’m a little nervous now, the plan was to hunt this fall not have to deal with issues on a brand new firearm. Thanks for the heads up.
Sorry to say, but this is one of the models that made us start this investigation with Beretta. You’ll need to clean out the threads on the top of the action before you install your scope mounts per Tikka’s instructions in their email. It’s not one of the colors that has the uneven coding though. Just the buggered up mounting threads.
I've been looking for another Tikka, and like the look of the roughtech. But I'm wondering if the right move is to buy the much cheaper lite stainless as a starting point and then put the savings toward a nice lightweight stock or chassis.
The Roughtech is, in my opinion, the best value Tikka makes. The barrel contour is slightly heavier but fluted to reduce weight. The bolt is fluted. And the barrel is threaded 5/8-24. If you’re going to swap barrels, then start with the Lite.
It’s the light colors that have the uneven coating. You will still have to chase the threads, but that’s not a big deal. Or get a stainless Roughtech Ember
It depends on which issue you are referring to. All of the Cerakoted rifles have issues with the optic mounting threads, according to Sako. The color determines if the Cerakote was applied correctly or not.
Ok, if your scope cant counteract that elevation or lateral imperfections, you dont have a quality scope! I understand the issue with uneven application. If i have to tap out the threads, ID SEND IT BACK!! Just bought a Bergara & a CVA made by Bergara. Would have loved to stay with my BELIVED REMM 700 ACTION, BUT THEY GOT CHEAP ON MANUFACTURING ALSO!
There is a basic understanding in engineering that mechanical mating surfaces need to be perfectly flat for proper mechanical strength and alignment. This way when force (I.e. recoil) is applied to the mechanical assembly, nothing moves. This has nothing to do with scope alignment. It has to do with the long term reliability of the rifle system and to ensure your optic does not move over time and use.
Mountain tactical can you clarify something for me. You guys have insinuated in multiple videos that the roughtech line of rifles are stainless steel cerakoted. It’s my understanding that they are blued steel and the more expensive roughtech ember is non cerakoted stainless steel, there for there is no such thing as a cerakoted stainless steel roughtech. Is this correct?
There are multiple models in the Roughtech line. The Roughtech Tan has a blued carbon barrel. The Roughtech Ember has a non-Cerakote stainless barrel. The Roughtech Superlites have cerakoted stainless barrels.
Thank you for reporting honestly, and with integrity on these issues. Tikka’s response (ie excuses) really did nothing but irritate me. They honestly lost me when he said he didn’t think the irregular mating surface on top the receiver is a very big deal. What a load of crap! And then to try and level a veiled insult at you as a parting shot!! Screw them.
FURTHER....Don't concern myself with space age super duper coating. Yes they are amazing, but I stick with a Blued Barrel. If you hunting in really bad Weather, Just Take a small can of Ballist oil and hose that Tikka Beast down, and your Boots Leather strap, plastic ect. The Germans got this stuff right, many , many years ago. It's got a strange Smell, lol, may attract deer as well.
I've been planning & putting money aside for almost 2 years for a buy once, cry once bolt gun & Tikka was on my list. I really need to reconsider them being on my list with their response to issues being brought to their attention. Sounds like they're so full of themselves that they don't understand what corrective criticism is. Sounds ALOT like a Bud-Lite response to me.
The rifles are fantastic. I’ve been working with them for almost 15 years and we’ve had our ups and downs based on cultural differences. If you avoid the Cerakoted models, I think you would be very impressed with the overall performance of the platform. Cheers!
@@mountaintacticalcompany I think their response to legitimate critique will play the deciding factor more than something that a bit of wet sanding can remedy. I'm no fan of poor customer service & even lesser of a fan of snooty replies.
glad i got the polyfade, tikka advertising for stainless is really bad on their cerkoted rifles on what has what. Ontop of that from the hundred of tikka actions ive ran the blued and cerkoted riflles are smooth (they are a tikka after all) they were not as smooth as the plain stainless models. Also cerkote ontop of stainless is dumb....thats the whole point of stainless is weather durability and your paying hundreds more for protection that will not wear as nicely as a plain stainless barrel would.
Tikka/ sako customer service, even in europe is non-existant… website is full of incorrect information, only contact info to be found is found on the finnish website, takes them months to answer (not friendly at all when just politely asking questions about a new product). The tikka .223 mag is known for being very quick to show problems, they make a new design but do not include it with the new rifles. You have to get it on special order,… I do recognize they are awesome rifles but my experience with their website and customer service really puts me off. Got something else instead.
Wow. All that information passed on in one take and the only thing you focus on is one verbiage error? There are two in this video. Bonus points if you find the second one. I feel bad for your family.
@mountaintacticalcompany wow! As a business owner, I'd think you'd possess a bit more tact. What a childish immature comment. I'll make sure customers are aware of your pettiness. 🙂
Pre-video corporate response expectation: Blah blah blah blah. Post video assessment: Ehhhh, you spelled his name wrong so he's not talking to you. We've chosen unevenness and tension so kick rocks. "disappointed with your tone"... yeah, the truth can do that to a snooty dude. Tikka's are pretty good, as they should be for what they're charging. We'll see if they fix their wobbly uneven paint job. I'm betting they won't.
The Tikka T3x Lite is very reasonable! Throw on a couple of our Mountain Tactical products and you would be good to go! Be sure to check your local gun stores, as sometimes you can find a Tikka at a great price. Thanks for watching!
Never owned a tikka or a “Sock-oh” (as he pronounces it) but, if I decide to drop a few grand on a rifle, it’ll be one. I’m not sure if they are the “ford Taurus “ or the “Bentley” in the conversation, but, any man with such a blown out ego as this guy hating on so many things he has such limited knowledge of, must be pretty damn good.
@@mountaintacticalcompany I never really looked. It's a .308 which I'm not in love with I shelved it last year and just used my regular T3x stainless in 7mm-08. I just like it better.
Great, so now they want a bunch of people who have most likely never used a tap in their life to take one and go to working on threads. Nope nothing could go wrong there.
IF, big if, you have a problem. Take a 1/6th” drill bit and literally 3 seconds and they thread right in every time. This happens on non coated actions as well. Not an issue.
You can pull it out of the stock and look at the bottom of the action. If there is an “S” in front of the magazine well, it’s stainless. Those 24” CTRs are great shooters! What cartridge is it chambered in?
Takes an honest man to expose the issues with something his own income is reliant on. Thanks for the facts
I have 2 Tikka's, one stainless and one cerkoted. One has the Mountain Tactical bottom metal and trigger spring, the other is totally stock. I am really glad yall published the first video as I noticed some crustiness with those plugs upon my scopebase installation. I will take my scopebase off to see how well the cerakote application is.
For what it is worth, I thought your first video did not have a negative tone. Like you said, I thought it was very honest and blunt. Not an attack on Tikka, but rather an assessment of the issue and a service announcement to us customers. While I am glad Tikka did respond, it seems strange they had to express disappointment in your messaging. Hopefully this situation will make Tikka, Mountain Tactical, and us customers all better for the long run.
Thanks for the follow up!
Cheers! And thank you for your business!
Mate you were being honest and not Tikka bashing. I have friends that are from Finland and they can be blunt and stubborn, maybe he should not be in that role if he responds like that.
That was my goal. Tikkas are fantastic rifles and I’m disappointed they’ve chosen this path. Never meet your heroes…
@@mountaintacticalcompany Or rather limit your heroes to deity.
@@mountaintacticalcompany Have you reached out to Beretta directly? I know they own Tikka and they seem to value their clients. May be worth reaching out to them and sharing your experience (or at minimum, a link to this vid). Thanks for sharing.
Amen
Watch this video and the first video. I’ve been working directly with Beretta and Sako for almost 15 years. I explain that Beretta knew about this and the first video prior to posting them. In this video I cover the conversation between Beretta, Sako, and myself.
I bought a Tikka t3x Veil Wideland in December '23 and can confirm with the light test that the top of the receiver is not flat due to the cerekote buildup at the ends. Just took a 1000 grit sandpaper and cleaned it up while periodically checking the flatness with a Starrett straight edge. Tikka really needs to add a flat grinding step to the post processing.
Note that the Veil Wideland has the bronze Cerakote
Oh wow! I didn’t know the Bronze has the same issue. This must be a process problem from their vendor. Your solution makes sense.
I'm a cerified Cerakote applicator and I can verify that if they are spraying thicker than recommended by NIC Industries for "durability" then they are not applying properly.
I converted a factory stainless Tikka T3x 308 to a custom. 2 tone cerakote, black and patriot brown. The entire bolt and entire action are coated. Absolutely smooth as it was in factory configuration.
The red and black CTR I point out in the video is silky smooth as well. But I can understand how that level of quality would be difficult to control in mass production.
Do you shoot factory ammo or hand loads out of your tikka .308?
@@h8o8 Both
@@mountaintacticalcompany Maybe Tikka should consider black nitride action coating?
@@Accuracy1st which factory do you find works best? I’m curious because I find federal terminal ascent 175gr grouping the best for my rifle and didn’t have much luck with 150 gr. But I’ve heard a lot of people do well with the 150gr
Good man . Important update . Thank you .
No problem 👍
You can use a small diameter nylon brush to clean out the threads also.
We’ll have to try that. I wonder if the nylon will be strong enough.
Your message seems to be honest assessment and for Tikka a good customer learning experience and a wise company would see the need to make adjustments/improvements to the coating level maybe use a harder ceracoating! Because they have fine rifles!!
Just makes me love this company even more!!!
Nowadays consumers with quality questions will embrace the emotional response quicker than rational.. especially if their concerns are left unaddressed. Fortunately when quality questions surface they usually expose stagnation in the current process. Thank you for the update.
Seems Cerakote is kind a fad that’s not really working out for them . If you need to apply it to a stainless action and barrel what’s the point ?? Yes I get that it looks cool as you get the colour you like . I’m thinking long term it’s not the greatest option as it will chip and discolour. That’s my 2 cents . I like my stainless guns looking stainless.
It’s a way to try to please everyone… but from here on out, I’m only buying stainless.
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I have cerakoted many of my own guns the last 9-10 years and even if I use my guns VERY hard and at times hunt in very rough terrain, including in mountains with lots of rocks and stones, have I still not chipped off any cerakote.
And if you experience any discoloring, then it is very easy to remove it all and do it all over again or just give it another layer.
There are some colors that have poor UV stability and can discolor over time while others are much more UV stable.
Stormtrooper White is an example of a cerakote color that has VERY poor UV stability and it turns yellow/ish rather quickly.
In general are the lighter colors worse when it comes to UV stability.
Poor prep work can also result in discoloring.
Personally I do not like hunting with stainless rifles as they make me feel to exposed and visible to my prey.
Much of that is most likely just in my head, but having been a sniper in the military for years have made me very focused on being as little visible to my prey as possible.
I also think the rifles look way better cerakoted than when they have the stainless look.
The cerakoting also protects the rifles better against staining/corrosion when hunting in coastal areas.
Even if they are stainless are they not stain/rust proof and the cerakote helps with that.
@@The_Judge300 If you just want to add some dulling or darkness to a stainless finish, all you have to do is hold the surface above a burning candle for a couple of seconds to add dark carbon to the surface to take off the metal shine. You could also just use grease sticks, or hobby paint. They all easily clean-off stainless steel or can be renewed.
I was surprised you did that video but glad you did.
I live in South Africa, and the price point of Tikka and Sako rifles is extremely high, also if you experience a problem with a rifle , it a extreme process to get the rifle shipped of etc , so Quality is extremely important,....thanks for the honest video and information,well done
I think you're correct in stating that they are skipping a step or taking the shortest route by not chasing the treads at the factory after the cerakote. That mess around the plastic screws looks fugly. Do they expect everyone to have an 8-42 tap? I do have a couple on my bench, but I would bet most people don't.
EVERY single gun shop should have a thread chaser for this.
And they/you should NOT use a thread tap for this.
Thank you all at Mountain Tactical for being so passionate about these rifles and their pro’s and con’s. I can understand companies like Tikka/Sako don’t want to have bad press about their products, But ! WE all as enthusiasts and lovers of these rifles/platforms NEED to call them out when we have definitive black and white proof of such issues and demand answers, I mean we are shelling out our hard earned money on these brands/rifles. And if these issues are not taken into consideration and or are on the path for correction/recall, then well I can always go spend my hard earned money on another brand that doesn’t have these issues and or cares more about customer feedback, weather it is good and or bad. Thanks again Mountain Tactical for all you do on these videos and rifles, you always explain things so any gun enthusiast newbie or long time veteran with guns can understand the knowledge you drop. Plus I love the visuals you show as well, I myself am 110% a visual learner, and catch on very quickly with visuals. Much love !
Thank you for your support. You are why we do what we do!
I still love Tikkas…. But like you said, when it comes down to your hard earned dollars, you should have confidence in what you are buying
My suggestion would be to epoxy bed the scope rail for this type of rifle, until they come up with a solution to this issue. That said, if I were Tikka I just wouldn't offer the lighter tone cerakote. As you say, there shouldn't be any compromise with respect to mating surfaces when it comes to precision rifles.
I completely agree on both points. I am going to use this rifle in a video showing people how to bed their rails. Not that Sako has confirmed these are all stainless, I don’t mind if I hit bare metal when I rough up the top surface of the action so the epoxy has something to grab onto.
Regarding the color, if it was me, I would not have continued with the light colors on the Veils after the initial issues in 2020. But I’m playing Monday morning quarterback.
COuldn't agree more. Would just happily stick with stainless tikkas anyway and skip paying more for the fancy colours that are going to wear and chip off anyway.
@@mountaintacticalcompany why not just lap it?
A couple of things, you can do what warne and the USMC does…and just soak blue loctite under the rail and essentially bed it with that, or…it’s a hunting rifle. There is essentially no need for anything other than the awesome built in rings mounts that have the little recoil lugs. No rail needed at all. We aren’t adding elevation, and unless you’re the kind of guy that loves a $3000 scope that you move from rifle to rifle…what are we doing?
@@thopkins2271 Yeah. That's basically the same thing as bedding the rail. Instead of using Loctite you use epoxy.
I have 3 factory cerakoted Tikka roughtec barreled actions. All 3 have thousands of rounds through them with zero issues using Unknown Munitions Tikka rings to mount Maven RS1.2 scopes. . Haven’t had to “re-zero” any of these guns once. What is this supposed issue causing in real field use that you’ve seen?
I did have a bit of overspray in the capped “holes”. 2 seconds with a 1/6th” drill bit and the UM threaded pins used to mount the scope went in with zero issues. I’ve had to do this on factory stainless threads as well.
He is just creating storm in a glass of water and his accuracy "issues" are more theory than reality.
The reality is also that the Tikka rifles come with an accuracy guarantee, included the cerakoted ones, so I guess Tikka are not worried about loss in accuracy as well.
Another reality is that at least 95% of all hunters are far from able to take advantage of the accuracy in the Tikka rifles and most US made ammo shoots way worse than the accuracy Tikka rifles are able to shoot as well.
Only the best shots with top factory ammo or well made hand loads are able to take advantage of the Tikka accuracy in real field use and even then will wind and lasering the distance incorrectly affect the accuracy way more than his theoretical loss in accuracy because of the coating.
It's really good your doing these videos advantage people wouldn't know this and might give up on the brand if issues occurred, at least now they know what's could be going on !! Great video!!
Thank you!
I think all parties responded factually and reasonably. Maybe tikka didnt like the video, with their response in the letter and thats okay, its their product being criticised. Moving on the problem was highlighted homestly and factually. This is not what any marketing department wants to hear but it is being looked at. Respect for tikka in responding this way! It may not be the way they wanted it handled but thats life. The US market would be quire big i would imagine so this is a postive for the end user in the long run. Industrial development processes are going to have issues and its better they are highlighted early. Well done on all sides! Keep on with the great work!
Thank you for seeing the balance in this.
I have seen issues across multiple brands that sell "factory" cerakoted rifles. I had my stainless t3x lite cerakoted by my local gunsmith and it turned awesome with seemingly no issues so far.
I handled a GoWild Ruger American at a gun store and asked why they were asking "new" prices for a used gun because the cerakote was worn to metal in several places. I was told "that is a new rifle, it's just work from being handled in the store"...!!!
I paid a little more, but I'm a lot more happy with my gun finish.
I think you did it the right way. Cerakote is such an involved process, you cannot hold quality and do it in mass.
THANK YOU FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING. Bottom line They screwed up trying to cut corners on coating process. This should have never happened. This process has been done for years, and Every Manufacture should have it perfected. BIG DEAL , About Mika Micka , whatever!!! He shouldn't get his shorts in a bunch over that. Just keep doing the right thing. GOOD ON YA!!!
Great review. I would recommend stainless set up T3/ T3x. Tough, light and durable. The action is up there with the best.
Absolutely!
Great informative video. I saw frustration in your voice but in my opinion it was warranted considering how much your business intertwines with Tikka. Hopefully they will investigate on their end if there is any issues that need to be addressed.
One thing I Learned from your experience is whenever a company “farms” out a part of their manufacturing process to another company, QUALITY CONTROL” usually suffers. Out of sight, out of mind?
Keep up the good work! With any firearm, QUALITY has too be job one!!
Thank you!
If you feel it necessary to clean the threads, PLEASE use a thread chaser and NOT a tap. Taps repair damaged threads and will change the hole dimensions. Thread chasers only clean debris and tiny burs from holes.
Great advice! Can you point me to a 6-48 thread chaser so I can forward that info to our customers?
Hardware stores? Where do I get one?
I’ve searched all the haunts I know and can’t find one that small…. I need someone better at Google-Fu than me
I’m totally going to get my Tikka upgrades from this company.
Thank you for ALL of your informative videos and reviews.
Our pleasure!
Wouldn't have bought a cerakoted Tikka in the first place, thankfully! Can't beat just plain stainless. Have also never heard of anyone passing a tap before installing scope base screws
I have a tikka lite veil alpine in 6.5 CR and I’ve been using and shooting it. I haven’t noticed any of these problems. I’ve been very pleased with mine although I’m not sure I’m a fan of the 6.5 CR haha. I have a Leupold rail on mine. I’ll tried the light test and there is no light showing through. The rail looks tight. I’d have to unmount the scope and rail to test it further and I won’t do that at this point in the year. I don’t see any flaws in my cerakote even with a light and the magnifying glass. Mine is about a 2 year old rifle.
This is why I think this is a new problem. Since Tikka is outsourcing this work, they don’t know what changes their vendor is making.
@@mountaintacticalcompany. Yep. Mine is well made. As I said I’m just not sure about the 6.5. I’ve mostly been a 7mm guy and the 6.5 seems like it makes small holes. We have to use copper in CA and it doesn’t expand as well as lead used to. I got 15% off on that rifle that’s why I bought it.
I have experience with cerekoted Weatherbys and can verify cerekote on the bolt makes cycling action rough. I end up cycling action bolt back and forth to smooth it out and ends up wearing down near metal along bearing surfaces.
Thanks for letting us know!
What I see from uneven coatings on rifles is the inability to accurately level the rifle when mounting a scope. I've also seen it interfere with windage adjustment when attempting to zero.
100%
It does sound like Tikka is trying to cheapen and shorten the process though. Sounds similar to what pretty much killed Winchester though.
It’s time to start making parts for Howa rifles. They are getting so popular, and with the cost of Tikkas doubling, I see Howa taking more market share.
That’s a thought…. I’ve been really impressed with them over the years. It’s hard to beat quality Japanese engineering.
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I have tested many Howa rifles and even if many of them shoot well and some very well, is the overall accuracy not even close to what you get from Tikka rifles.
Is the accuracy in most Howa rifles good enough for most hunters in the US?
Yes, for sure, but you need to be lucky to get a Howa that is as accurate as an average Tikka is and I would for sure not buy a Howa if I wanted a rifle for long range shooting or hunting.
Or for any kind of competition shooting.
But they are great rifles for most whitetail hunting and similar types of hunting.
Great update! That does it, I´ll get a stainless version.
Good call!
I'm glad you called them out ! I have a Tikka and a Sako . I don't want to see there quality control slip !!
Seriously!
Do NOT advice people to use a thread tap to remove plastic residues from the threads.
You need use a thread chaser for that.
Two VERY different tools.
I would also love to see you prove the loss in accuracy because of the cerakote.
I would be shocked if it results in you not able to group top quality ammo inside the guaranteed Tikka accuracy.
Funny thing is that also Tikka seem to be sure about that and still give the same accuracy guarantee with these cerakoted rifles.
Please forward a link for a 6-48 thread chaser. We’ll pass that info on to everyone.
Anyone who has studied precision rifles understands the importance trued mechanical mating surfaces. I.e. barrel to receiver, locking lugs to receiver, scope mount to receiver. This has all been studied, understood, and explained many times.
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I have a set with thread chasers that I bought from Brownells or Midway many years ago and I am not sure if it is possible to buy one single 6-48 thread chaser anywhere.
It is also rather easy to make your own 6-48 thread chaser from a long 6-48 screw.
How to do that is easily found online.
It is still smart to use lubrication when using a thread chaser, even if the threads are not damaged and you only use it to remove plastic.
I always use a thread chaser on new rifles before putting on the scope mounts to make sure everything is as it should before I start to screw in the mount screws.
I have experienced two times that threads were damaged from the factory.
Once on a Ruger and once on a Remington.
And yes, mating surfaces are beneficial for accuracy, but the reality is also that very many tend to make some of them way more important than they really are.
Like when it comes to the scope mounts to the receiver.
What matters the most of all when it comes to the scope, the scope mounts and the receiver is that nothing moves.
And in general when it comes to accuracy, then repeatability is king.
Tension doesn't equal inaccuracy as long as it stays the same and nothing moves.
Many have also talked a lot about how important it is to lap the locking lugs for improved precision over the years, but real tests have proven that this is almost always a waste of time and money and can often do more harm than good.
Even a Krag with one locking lug only can have VERY good precision.
My own Krag that is from 1918 shoots 1/2 moa and less 3 shot groups with my handloads and that is as good or better than most Tikka rifles and for sure better than most modern US made rifles.
And that with a scope mount that is far from what many think is ideal for precision shooting.
The real question is what precision do you really need for your practical use?
Tikka guarantee 1moa 3-shot groups or better, so if you are correct in your fears when it comes to the coating and it's effect on the precision, then the buyer can use the warranty.
If you are chasing sub .5 groups or even sub 0.25 groups, then you most likely will experience many Tikkas that will not deliver that for you, no matter if it has coating or not.
But, if this issue make you not feel confident in what accuracy the rifle can deliver, then do what you think is needed to fix it or just sell it.
Personally I would just test it as it is and see if the accuracy is there and if it is not, then I would deliver it back on the warranty.
Keep up the good work, no reason someone getting but hurt for someone pointing out things wrong with products, I love Sako's, my favorite production rifles, but I do have some gripes with some of their rifle models.
I can speak for cerakote in the action. My gunsmith coated my bolts and actions on two of my tikkas, and they are not even close to being as smooth cycling as my 223 AI tikka that I decided not to coat. The bolts even have spots where they slow down due to the cerakote. Maybe the shop I used isn’t as good at coating as others, but both rifles are not as smooth as my non coated t3x.
Cerakote is really cool, but definitely has its draw backs
One of my Tikkas (Varmint in .308)bought back in 2014 has passed 8000 shots. It still shoots subMOA and even sub 0.5 MOA at extended ranges. I don`t have a clue of the material this barrel was made of, but one thing i can say for sure: the bolt-action is on another level compared to the nowadays Sako/Tikka rifles. It`s like a different brand - there is no such smoothness and gentle greasy lightness this action operates with. Unfortunately the bar dropped another low these days and this goes for the most "big" brands in the industry.
That’s a well loved rifle! I’d say that Sako/Tikka is still an incredible rifle. They cut some corners on their Cerakote process, but their core product is still incredible.
IIRC a 6x48 tap is not found in every hardware store. I got mine at Brownell's. They should standardize 8x40 anyway. Much stronger.
Agreed on both points
We’re currently in a climate where it seems everyone gets triggered about everything! I don’t thing it’s personal per se, just knee jerk reactions… that said.. people need to do better overall..
I’ve used 140VLD’s with huge success. I use RL26 powder at 3250. Total custom defiance anti x. Manners LRH stock. Carbon 6 25” barrel. Little bastard brake. Diamond trigger
That sounds like an incredible build
That build sounds incredible
I would never run a tap to clean out the threads unless you had damaged threads or rust on the threads. Doing this on a new firearm is asking for issues, possibly causing slop when installing the screw. Big difference between tapping a hole with a cnc mill vs using the tap by hand. I would clean out the threaded hole with alcohol and compressed air. Then thread your screw in the hole and be sure it goes all the way in with no issues. Last, using blue loctite, mount your bases...
I agree. This is why I was taken aback a bit by Tanoli’s response and recommendation
Great video - sad they chose to attack the messenger's exasperated tone - perhaps they should be talking with Beretta about their customer service?
My main concern is that Tikka's quality control seems to be their negative feedback from customers = the customers are their QA system.
A lot of customers vote with their feet or wallet, without saying why.
From a risk point of view to your business, I would suggest you look at making accessories for other brands
We’ve had many discussions about this. I think shooters are going to like what we have up our sleeves for 2025
I just got the all stainless rough tech in 300wsm and it’s a damn hammer. I can’t find one flaw in the fit and finish of it. Cost me $1,350 after tax and shipping
Smart man going stainless instead of Cerakote!
What is “best” and what is “common” are very rarely similar.
My friends and I commonly work under the assumption everything is broken until you check it.
Everything is uneven until you true it.
We as a group, true all new rifles actions, and bed every contact point. It’s just the way we have all always done things.
However I know the common practice is to shoot it as is.
Your practice is the best practice. But like you said, it’s not common.
I see no reasons to tinker with any of my guns before I see any need for it.
Why do you feel the need to start to tinker with a gun before you have even tested how well it shoots or if it needs any sort of tinkering at all?
If I assume that a gun needs tinkering already when I consider to buy it, then I am for sure not buying it.
And usually I just sell a gun if it needs any tinkering for it to shoot as well as I want it to shoot.
And I am EXTREMELY *nal about accuracy.
I am not even accepting a rifle I use for Elephants and Buffalos to shoot bigger 3-shot groups than 1 moa.
Even my Krag from 1918 is shooting well under 1 moa 3-shot groups.
And the rife I am using for long range hunting is shooting sub .25 moa 3-shot groups.
Is this a problem with the Tikka T3x Veil Wideland too? Or just Veil Alpine and Roughtech?
Great video and thanks for putting this out!
All Cerakoted Tikkas have the screw issue. The Alpine and Coyote Tan are the two colors that are uneven. Double check the color code on the one you are looking at to ensure it’s not the tan they are having issues with.
If there’s enough ceracote maybe they can flatten surface with a super fine file or wet sand.
I’m going to try that and bed the rail.
For me, it never really struck me as a big deal, maybe a tiny PITA in having to clean some screw holes, if the overspray inside was an issue, it'd most likely show up when I checked it at the coun ter before buying. As to the rail mount, even though the processes are far better these days and that shouldn't happen, it's mass production from an outside vendor, it will happen. Be interesting to see if other mfgrs have the issue with lighter colours as well, the answer on that sounds a bit dodgy. None of the above would really stop me from buying one, Not buying based on this stuff, probably didn't really want it in the first place.
I 100% agree.
They/he is making a much bigger deal out of these minor issues than they really are.
And I would love to see him prove this loss in accuracy as he claims can be the result.
Even claiming it can be an issue without proving it can be an issue is VERY questionable and unprofessional in my opinion.
And this "issue" with lighter cerakote colors are the same if not worse for all mfgrs that cerakote their guns.
The reality is that quality of the cerakote in lighter colors are not as good against wear and tear and because of this is it needed to coat thicker to make it stronger. against wear and tear.
I have been cerakoting many of my own guns for the last 9-10 years and I have not used any lighter colors because of this.
When it comes to buying one of this cerakoted Tikkas, would I not be worried about any of his issues with it at all.
I know multiple hunters that have bought this gun and they are plenty happy with both the accuracy and everything else.
The reality is also that Tikka have the same accuracy guarantee for these cerakoted rifles as they have with all of their rifles.
So, if the rifle doesn't shoot well, no matter if it is because of the coating or any other reasons, you will have the warranty.
But I would be shocked if your cerakoted Tikka doesn't shoot very well if you decide to buy one.
I don't wanna deal with Breata. Could you just use some 1000 girt sandpaper and polish the mounting surface.
As long as you can get the surface flat and level, you’ll be good to go. We’re playing with the best way to do this and will post a follow up video. Cheers!
Dear Tikka, you can respond to constructive criticism either by learning and correcting, or by being defensive in light of clear evidence. It doesn’t take a machinist or engineer to grab a rifle off the shelf, feel the crappy sticking of the bolt or look at the coating issues on the action. Less excuses, more corrections please. You make the best factory hunting rifles even at 2x their price point. Don’t blow it.
Wish tikka made there magazine longer for the long actions like the rem mag just for the hand loaders as at the moment as a hand loader we are governed by the mag length that would be a game changer
No kidding! The S20 magazine has 3.6” to play with and the actions are almost the same length.
We made LA AICS conversion kits for a while but they didn’t sell well.
Tikka is a production rifle. I feel like if you need everything to be "perfect," you need to spend a little more for a custom built rifle. I mean look what Gunwerks charges. They can afford to pay close attention to "every" single rifle and detail as mentioned. Yes, theres always room for improvement on the production line, but let's not forget it's still a production rifle. I have the Bergara Wilderness hmr 7prc, and the recoil lug had cerakote overspray on it, and it had to be scrapped off. It's a good shooting rifle, but i cant forget its a "production" rifle. I spent 1,100$ on it. Small price to pay for sub moa rifle and rifle that looks stunning. Tikka t3 tactical was my first rifle and has served me well over the years an recently did a barrel swap. Maybe its just me, but if everything needed to be absolutely perfect then a custom built rifle is the way to go. Naturally youd pay a significantly higher price than a tikka. Id expect the cerakoted Gen2 Ruger American not to be absolutely perfect either, same thing.
I was hoping to acquire a Tikka in the next few months but I am concerned that any rifle still on the market may be compromised
Grab a stainless one. That’s what we do all our builds on
@@mountaintacticalcompany thank you so much!!
You are welcome!
I like bare stainless steel. Çeracoat or any coverup coat is used by savage to hide non finished parts. Bare stainless is better than anything and can be finish polished without destroying the finish.
Great point!
Shouldn’t have to do this but glass bedding bases/rails will correct the uneven surface.
I’m going to try this
Thanks for a great channel.
Could you please make a video on how to install flush cups on a Tikka T3x?
That’s a great video idea. Are you thinking about installing them on a factory stock?
Thanks. Yes, that would be what most viewers would be interested in.
After seeing these videos im glad i bought a standard stainless tikka t3x instead of the cerakoted version. Just seems like oversight on tikkas part imo
That's what we use for our builds!
I had mine cerakoted and I lost smoothness. Cerakote is a rough surface
It is if the applicator dry sprayed it. The process is prone to problems.
You didn't have the correct email address and you interpreted that as silence. you started a crap storm and deserve the blame.
I accepted the blame and admitted it here. I cannot accept the blame for the poor practices Tikka admitted to. Tikka created that crap storm.
I love my Tikka. However I'm confused about Tikka's response about your "Tone" in the last video. Does "Tone" mean the same as "The truth" in Finnish? Sorry but it just sounded like a Juvenile response. I appreciate you making these videos. Tikka's are great guns! Hopefully this issue is short lived and hopefully anyone with this Cerakote problem will receive good customer support from Beretta.
Seems like everyone is short of machinists, especially good ones.
What grade of stainless on the action and barrel? And could you skim coat epoxy under scope mount?
They have not disclosed the grade of stainless. I’m going to use this rifle to show how an epoxy bedding job can work on a mount.
When I bought my Tikka my dealer offered to clean out the holes for me for free, that's why you don't want to buy from a big box store.
That’s incredible. You won’t get that service from the big boys.
I don't see the guys working at big box stores as experts by any stretch anyway. Only person I trust to do anything to my rifles is me or preferably, the rifle builders I use for advanced work
On my Tikka t3x I had to run a 6x48 tap through the scopebase holes as the screws WOULD NOT START.
Is this only a problem with the Veil Wideland models? I just purchased a Sportsman’s exclusive Roughtech (it’s got a green stock and grey barrel). I didn’t take a close look at the screw holes and definitely didn’t do the light test. I have to wait 9 more days to pick it up. I’m a little nervous now, the plan was to hunt this fall not have to deal with issues on a brand new firearm. Thanks for the heads up.
Sorry to say, but this is one of the models that made us start this investigation with Beretta. You’ll need to clean out the threads on the top of the action before you install your scope mounts per Tikka’s instructions in their email. It’s not one of the colors that has the uneven coding though. Just the buggered up mounting threads.
That’s a relief. Cleaning threads, I can do. Thank you.
You’re welcome!
Across all media platforms is the term you were looking for in the beginning of the video.
Thank you!
That was the term I blanked on.
I've been looking for another Tikka, and like the look of the roughtech. But I'm wondering if the right move is to buy the much cheaper lite stainless as a starting point and then put the savings toward a nice lightweight stock or chassis.
The Roughtech is, in my opinion, the best value Tikka makes. The barrel contour is slightly heavier but fluted to reduce weight. The bolt is fluted. And the barrel is threaded 5/8-24. If you’re going to swap barrels, then start with the Lite.
@@mountaintacticalcompany oh is the roughtech not subject to the coating issues?
It’s the light colors that have the uneven coating. You will still have to chase the threads, but that’s not a big deal. Or get a stainless Roughtech Ember
Love having Fridays off
Must be nice lol
I bet!
When you have a $1300 Tikka for all the nice modifications already done for a gun that you can buy for $600 it should be perfect.
I’m really liking what they did with the Roughtech line. At least the ones with no Cerakote.
Where can you buy the regular TX3's for $600? Everywhere I'm looking, they are almost $900.
@@Simon-talks I've seen regular stainless T3x in local shops probably 3 times at $600-650. Used ones for $500-600
@@JNOSNOW dang, I need to come to your place
Yep, bought mine for $650, but it’s a carbon steel/blued.
Tikka is a sweet rifle I have 6 build
They are sweet rifles!
Does the veil wideland have this issue?
It depends on which issue you are referring to. All of the Cerakoted rifles have issues with the optic mounting threads, according to Sako. The color determines if the Cerakote was applied correctly or not.
Are you going to do a 17 fireball pt.3 wanted to see that build shoot.
I got distracted with building a new hunting rifle I’m taking on an elk hunt this October. The dang 17fb is on the wall mocking me
Love your products guys. I have your trigger spring.
Awesome! Thank you for your business!
I got a Weatherby MkV and never looked back.
Are the Super varmints any better than the Bronze cerakotes from Tikka?
I have a Super Varmint with the Green Roughtech Texture and I love it, seems this would be personal preference but the Super Varmints look great!
Maybe they could include a tap with every cerekoted rifle?
That would be a nice add-on if they were ever to do that!
Still best bolt gun,I have 3 and I am a accuracy nut …
Ok, if your scope cant counteract that elevation or lateral imperfections, you dont have a quality scope! I understand the issue with uneven application. If i have to tap out the threads, ID SEND IT BACK!! Just bought a Bergara & a CVA made by Bergara. Would have loved to stay with my BELIVED REMM 700 ACTION, BUT THEY GOT CHEAP ON MANUFACTURING ALSO!
There is a basic understanding in engineering that mechanical mating surfaces need to be perfectly flat for proper mechanical strength and alignment. This way when force (I.e. recoil) is applied to the mechanical assembly, nothing moves.
This has nothing to do with scope alignment. It has to do with the long term reliability of the rifle system and to ensure your optic does not move over time and use.
What are the thumb hole stocks in the back?
German Gun Stocks. My favorite stock company by far!
What a great video. Honesty is so beautiful! Thanks. Looking forward to buying your products!
Jesus is King
Mountain tactical can you clarify something for me. You guys have insinuated in multiple videos that the roughtech line of rifles are stainless steel cerakoted. It’s my understanding that they are blued steel and the more expensive roughtech ember is non cerakoted stainless steel, there for there is no such thing as a cerakoted stainless steel roughtech. Is this correct?
Great question. The black ones are Cerakote over stainless.
Incorrect. Read the manual.
There are multiple models in the Roughtech line. The Roughtech Tan has a blued carbon barrel. The Roughtech Ember has a non-Cerakote stainless barrel. The Roughtech Superlites have cerakoted stainless barrels.
@@cmac0341 I googled tikka roughtech superlite and nothing comes up? Already ordered the black, hopefully it’s cerakote.
Bed the base.. its common practice
Not for Tikkas…. but now it will be.
I'm planning on Cerakote H-227 on a stainless barrel. Any thoughts on this color? Any issues with it holding up?
Thank you for reporting honestly, and with integrity on these issues. Tikka’s response (ie excuses) really did nothing but irritate me. They honestly lost me when he said he didn’t think the irregular mating surface on top the receiver is a very big deal. What a load of crap! And then to try and level a veiled insult at you as a parting shot!! Screw them.
I am disappointed in their response…. It definitely shook my faith in my decision to dedicate the last 14 years solely to their product.
FURTHER....Don't concern myself with space age super duper coating. Yes they are amazing, but I stick with a Blued Barrel. If you hunting in really bad Weather, Just
Take a small can of Ballist oil and hose that Tikka Beast down, and your Boots Leather strap, plastic ect. The Germans got this stuff right, many , many years ago. It's got a strange Smell, lol, may attract deer as well.
I think the smell is from all the sauerkraut 😂
But seriously, I agree. Colors are for us and not for the purpose the rifle is built for.
@@mountaintacticalcompany NO, NO, NO KLINK, BERLIN MUST HAVE BETTER ANSWERS THAN THIS , OR HEADS VILL ROOOOOLLLLL
😂😂😂😂
I can hear Klink while reading this!
I've been planning & putting money aside for almost 2 years for a buy once, cry once bolt gun & Tikka was on my list. I really need to reconsider them being on my list with their response to issues being brought to their attention. Sounds like they're so full of themselves that they don't understand what corrective criticism is.
Sounds ALOT like a Bud-Lite response to me.
The rifles are fantastic. I’ve been working with them for almost 15 years and we’ve had our ups and downs based on cultural differences. If you avoid the Cerakoted models, I think you would be very impressed with the overall performance of the platform. Cheers!
@@mountaintacticalcompany I think their response to legitimate critique will play the deciding factor more than something that a bit of wet sanding can remedy. I'm no fan of poor customer service & even lesser of a fan of snooty replies.
I get it. Unfortunately, Sako/Tikka and Beretta are not known for their customer service…
Has anyone seen a roughtech 308 with a 16 or 20” barrel yet? Is it cerakoted as well?
I've seen it locally, one gun shop has a bunch and they are most definitely cerakoted
@@tjb7850 cool. Thanks
Anyone know what chassis is on the left, 3rd from bottom thats skeletonised? TiA
That is a German Gun Stock Ranger. Fantastic stock!
glad i got the polyfade, tikka advertising for stainless is really bad on their cerkoted rifles on what has what. Ontop of that from the hundred of tikka actions ive ran the blued and cerkoted riflles are smooth (they are a tikka after all) they were not as smooth as the plain stainless models. Also cerkote ontop of stainless is dumb....thats the whole point of stainless is weather durability and your paying hundreds more for protection that will not wear as nicely as a plain stainless barrel would.
Tikka/ sako customer service, even in europe is non-existant… website is full of incorrect information, only contact info to be found is found on the finnish website, takes them months to answer (not friendly at all when just politely asking questions about a new product). The tikka .223 mag is known for being very quick to show problems, they make a new design but do not include it with the new rifles. You have to get it on special order,… I do recognize they are awesome rifles but my experience with their website and customer service really puts me off. Got something else instead.
I thought my Roughtech has a black carbon barrel.
It depends on the year made. The first year was stainless with black Cerakote.
@@mountaintacticalcompany mine is a new model.
Aluminum oxide is not corrosive, it's abrasive. Terminology makes a difference when making a statement.
Wow. All that information passed on in one take and the only thing you focus on is one verbiage error? There are two in this video. Bonus points if you find the second one. I feel bad for your family.
@mountaintacticalcompany wow! As a business owner, I'd think you'd possess a bit more tact. What a childish immature comment. I'll make sure customers are aware of your pettiness. 🙂
Sounds like a plan 👍
By the way, since you are in a nit picking mood, did you find the other error? It’s even bigger than my verbiage error of “corrosive” vs “abrasive”
Pre-video corporate response expectation: Blah blah blah blah. Post video assessment: Ehhhh, you spelled his name wrong so he's not talking to you. We've chosen unevenness and tension so kick rocks. "disappointed with your tone"... yeah, the truth can do that to a snooty dude.
Tikka's are pretty good, as they should be for what they're charging. We'll see if they fix their wobbly uneven paint job. I'm betting they won't.
I really hope they fix it. They are such a good product otherwise…
Having worked with Europeans, many of whom are bilingual, they don't understand the tone and often don't mean to disparage when they are speaking.
Hearing lots of problems with begaras also. Tikka and Sako think their rifles are gold plated give the high price. Wish I could afford them
The Tikka T3x Lite is very reasonable! Throw on a couple of our Mountain Tactical products and you would be good to go! Be sure to check your local gun stores, as sometimes you can find a Tikka at a great price. Thanks for watching!
“There may be problems…” means the exact same as “there may not be problems…” That’s a throw away statement that covers their backsides.
Never owned a tikka or a “Sock-oh” (as he pronounces it) but, if I decide to drop a few grand on a rifle, it’ll be one. I’m not sure if they are the “ford Taurus “ or the “Bentley” in the conversation, but, any man with such a blown out ego as this guy hating on so many things he has such limited knowledge of, must be pretty damn good.
“Sah- koh” is how the Finnish pronounce it, so…
Everyone knows it’s pronounced sah-ko.
I have 3 Tikkas and the only one I own that doesn't have a smooth acting is the one that is cerokoted.
Interesting. Do you have over spray in the action? It would look like tiny little specs or dots
@@mountaintacticalcompany I never really looked. It's a .308 which I'm not in love with I shelved it last year and just used my regular T3x stainless in 7mm-08. I just like it better.
The 7mm-08 is a great cartridge!
@@mountaintacticalcompany it's my favorite off of that casing.
Great, so now they want a bunch of people who have most likely never used a tap in their life to take one and go to working on threads. Nope nothing could go wrong there.
IF, big if, you have a problem. Take a 1/6th” drill bit and literally 3 seconds and they thread right in every time. This happens on non coated actions as well. Not an issue.
Is the ctr a stainless action
As long as you buy a stainless CTR. Tikkas offers them parkerized and stainless.
@@mountaintacticalcompanyhow do i know if it's parkerized I bought it from a guy 4 years ago it had a 24" barrel if that helps
You can pull it out of the stock and look at the bottom of the action. If there is an “S” in front of the magazine well, it’s stainless. Those 24” CTRs are great shooters! What cartridge is it chambered in?
@@mountaintacticalcompanyohh thanks it's a 6.5 Creedmoor I have over 10k rounds on the action
That’s incredible! What kind of accuracy is she still holding?