I would agree with getting the HT instead of the HT2 for your 02'. What weight are you pulling and did it bump your mileage up. Diablosport Intune 1000 on 87 gas 12mpg 65 mph towing 5500lbs with the 00' 5.3L 3.73 gears
Interesting, I had a 1986 chevy pickup, before computers. I built a 350 small block for it, and dyno tested at 475 HP. I towed a 30 foot trailer across the US and back . On average I got 10 miles per gallon, it did not matter if I was towing or running empty, 10 miles per gallon. I did change the rear end gear ratio to 11:12.
I've done some 0-60 testing as well. I film the gauges. I pull my foot off of the brake and floor it. No brake torquing for a better launch. Eliminate as many variables as possible. Instead of a stopwatch operated by me (or a child), I go back through the videos when editing and start time when I see the oil pressure gauge spike before the truck even moves. It seems to be a good marker. I cycle through frame by frame to find the exact times. I note the time to three decimal places when the oil pressure spikes and when the speedometer hits 60. The difference between these is my 0-60 second time. I do several tests. I don't see the results until after so I can't tell how much an upgrade like headers or roller rockers or electric fan or new intake manifold or k&n filter change the times. Finally, I plug the time and vehicle weight into a 0-60 calculator. This tells me approximate wheel horsepower increases. I've increased fuel economy by 23% and wheel horsepower by over 50.
I use a GPS free dyno app, not perfect but if you have real gains it will show.. had a ford 7.3 that ran 16s, after chip and intake 14.1, but that was with pre loading and the 7.3 was way tuned down from factory
Very good video! I appreciate all your time that you put into the review. I LOVE the dad moments! Too fun! I doubt I would ever get this info from the manufacturer. I will be checking you out in the future to see what else you got. Thank you!
Big Blocks specifically had a bad rod/stroke ratio (bad rod angle), so the piston skirts and cylinders will definitely wear faster. Doesn't really matter on yours because it already has 200K+ miles :-) BTW if NE1 is looking to do 8.1L upgrade, these engines were used on jumbo-sized Uhauls so u might be able to buy cheap cores from your regional Uhaul repair center. They had much bigger/longer intakes for max. torque.
+takeadayofff I will keep that in mind...I actually plan on taking the Alison Transmission, Rear Differential, computer and Engine out of this truck and installing it all into a later 70's early 80's K20 Chevy Truck
@@doityourselfbri Hey Brian that is alot easier said than done. We are in the process of doing just that. The wiring is friggin nightmare... We never tested or learned where the actual power circuit is at on the GM computer so now I have to go to Allentown to a guy that knows a bit more than we do about the shit but it took a month to create a new trans cross member. We are actually putting the big block in an 88 Ford short bed 4x4. Bit off more than you can imagine. The speedometer we have to convert it to electronic the new cluster do so is over 300 bucks.
Dude seriously you have you son doing it on a stopwatch. Human error is gonna be huge there. Love that you got your kid in it though that is super cool. Awesome dad. Need a gtech pro. Or something automatic and electronic. You got a real hotrod there 10 seconds 0 to 60 lol. Anyway your kids love it and that is awesome man great dad.
Purchased an edge obd style plug in kit about a year ago for my 500$ Pontiac grand am. As of a year. Gained +3 miler per gallon, front wheels actually pull so hard I need two hands, and easy plug in style is a no brainer🙃 The tuning is right on par with the older style “piggy back” direct ecu, with wire taps. 500$ for the car. 220$ for the chip. 30k miles later it payed it self off 10k ago. Oh and if anyone who works or knows how these chips work and are actually “tuned vehicle specific” reply… cause I’ve always wanted to take the chip that Is custom tuned, and see if I can swap it out car to car or is it really custom per car🧐🧐
Best thing you can do is get custom programming done from a reputable tuner with something like EFI live or SCT programs. That will net you the most power AND efficiency for the money while being safe for your engine.... and a custom tune/ program can adjust more parameters.
Drew w Only problem is that it's very difficult to find a reputable tuner in many areas of the nation. Additionally, it can be quite costly, and for the average person and vehicle, it is usually not worth the expense. The bottom line is that simply playing with the electronic controls of your vehicle will not gain you enough performance to matter for your money. In fact, in many cases, you will find that your gasoline powered vehicle will simply use more expensive fuel, thus costing you a lot more to operate it on a daily basis, for no noticeable gain. The reality that nobody wants to accept is that internal combustion engines require much more extensive and expensive component performance modifications / upgrades to produce noticeable power gains.
Enjoyed watching your video Brian. Taking the kiddos along for the ride is cool. Nice to have your family with you out to "play". Granted, we all know you were probably just "stuck watching the kids" b/c the wife wasn't around, but still, it's nice to spend time with 'em nonetheless. LOL Anyhow... The 8.1L V-8 Chevy trucks were such terrible fuel pigs. Thus, any positive change in economy was a welcome thing. As I recall, our nearly new 2001 Chevy 2500HD, Allison automatic, 4x4, reg cab, reg bed truck averaged between 6 to 9 mpg. It was absolutely freakin' terrible. That said, it was fun to drive and was a freakin' rocket ship from the factory. However, the fuel it consumed was absolutely insane. We eventually sent it down the road and replaced it with 6.0L V-8 gas powered Chevy pickup, which hauled nearly everything we tow and haul just as well and used much less fuel in the process. Another thing to note, I also owned a mint, low-mileage 1997 Dodge 2500HD 4x4 with the 8.0L V-10 gas engine. It was a consistent 9 to 10 mpg truck all the time, empty or loaded, towing heavy or barebacked. She was a fuel pig as well, but was still MUCH better than the Chevy. Additionally, it was as powerful as the diesels from the same era, (higher torque and horsepower as factory tested statistically) and was actually much faster and more fun to drive. It was a factory rocket ship with the 4.10 gears and 5 spd manual tranny that it had from the factory. That's one truck I do miss and regret selling. For the record, my current trucks are all 5.9L Cummins diesels now, with a couple of gas-powered exceptions which are not used daily. You simply cannot beat the power and economy of a 5.9L Cummins diesel engine when comparing to any comparable gasoline engine or more modern larger displacement fuel pig diesel.
My 2018 5.0 with a programmer and new gears k&n intake and staright xpipe with open headers from kooks. Put me at 467hp and 490trq the truck was lowerd 2 inchs in back. It has 17 inch rims on drag radels tries by Nitto. Putting a twin trubo with a upgraded on trans see it handles it. Push towards 800hp and about maybe 1000+trq it does 0 to 60 in 4.5 seconds. I hopeing i can get at least 2.8 seconds with full bolt ons and twins. Its going be a toy truck for drag raceing and then strip it to a rally truck and take the front axle off to a 2wd.
Thank you for this great video. Always wondered if real gains can happen with a hand held tuner. In extreme mode you might see gain if you get used to the way it drives. I feel if you use it more often and drive normal you could enjoy it more and get better MPG. Engine working not as hard to get you around. In economy mode the savings for you is 87 gas instead of 91. So thats money per gallon savings. Unless you feel its retarding the engine to a point that it might cause damage. Lots of good things and some bad like everything. Glad you had a great time with your family while doing the video.
Interesting. I just bought a edge evolution CST2 today and it's literally was night and day. I went from 12.9mpg on the highway to after on economy, went up to 17mpg. The power also changed with it being a bit more peppy and the shifts with my large tires cleaned up dramatically. Perhaps the newer updates for 2020 changed things
So after this much time has passed, would you say your happy with the purchase or regret it? I am interested in purchading one, but unlike most people, i dont want power gains, im more concerned with gaining MPG... I own an 07 Sierra with horrible fuel mileage...
splash it'll help .. I have 37s on 4.56 gears, before the gears on stock gears and 37s I got 11mpg average , after 4.56 gears I averaged 13-13.5mpg and now with the CTS2 on Eco . I get 15-15.5mpg ... I imagine I'm a stock truck without lift and wheels you'd be a good 2.5mpg better with a tune on Eco
I want to get one to improve my gas mileage on my 15 silverado 1500. I put larger tires on it and my gas mileage went way way down. I don't race, will this help me ??? I tow a boat once in a while.
S Meg you get what you pay for, some of the more expensive tuners (efi live) Will have a noticeable increase in horsepower or gas mileage depending on the setting, I think I saw a video out there where a guy went from 14 mpg’s city to 17 city in a 5.3 Silverado
Do It Yourself Bri Would I see any improvement in MPG on a 17 High Country 6.2L not that it's bad getting around 22 MPG on an average? The 6.2L calls for Premium gas from the factory
You are wasting money with the premium fuel. Premium fuel is for higher compression engines. The higher octane fuel has to compress more before it ignites and a lower compression engine can't compress it fully. The programmers do not change your compression ratio so you will have fuel that isn't being fully ignited and thus wasted because your stock compression isn't designed to ignite the higher octane fuel.
Bottom line is this... Do they work? Yes. Are they worth the expense? Nope, not really. Moral of story... Save your money! Plug in programmers for modern gasoline engines are really just a waste of money. Most gasoline engine programmers only do two things: 1.) They change (re-map) the ignition timing by advancing or retarding it. Same damned thing you could do back in the good 'ol days by adjusting your vehicle's distributor before they came out with DI (distributor-less ignition) systems. The cunt-hair of improved power is negated by having to run the higher octane fuel to prevent pre-ignition which leads to any engine's early demise. The 2nd thing they can do (but not always, depends on the programmer) is they can modify/change the shift points on an electronically shifted automatic transmission. Frankly, it's a very similar concept as to what the Tow/Haul mode switch does on your gearshift lever on a GMC/Chevy truck. THE END.
G Henrickson, as I said previously, Gasoline engine programmers typically advance the ignition timing and require you to always run premium fuel (the highest octane available, typically 91 to 94) from the local gas pumps. High octane fuel helps to combat against pre-ignition (detonation) that occurs with too much ignition advance. As you know, premium gasoline is VERY expensive. The performance gains from doing this upgrade are so minimal that you will never even feel it. You will tell yourself you notice a difference, but that is because you are mentally fooling yourself into believing so because you just spent a lot of money for basically nothing. Secondly, the shift points are moved to allow for more rpms between shifts, resulting in harsher shifting and more pull between shifts. This is sometimes more useful in heavier towing or hauling situations, but is totally unnecessary for the average person. Beyond that, it typically makes your vehicle less fuel efficient to boot. I tell you all of this stuff because I've "been there & done that" with a couple of my gas-powered trucks over the years. Lesson learned is that I will NOT be purchasing or adding programmers to a gas powered vehicle ever again. It is simply NOT worth the investment to spend a bunch of money and time to make my vehicles cost me more money to operate on a daily basis, for basically no noticeable gain.
Turbo Diesel I've had a edge CTS2 on my silverado 5.3 for a lil less than a year , all it had before the tune was a cold air and throttle body spacer and 35s with 4.10s , dyno with that , before tune was 266-278rwhp (3 runs) .. AFTER the programmer installed on a Custom Street/performance tune it hit 306rwhp on first pull (after being cooled ) .. AND I get almost 3mpg better than I did .. now I have 4.56 gears and 22x14s American forces on 37x13.5 Nitto Trail grapplers and everything else the same and I get the exact same mpg as I did and a lot more pep ... without the Eco tune I'd be losing over 65 miles out of a full tank and losing over 11 dollars per fill up , It's DEFINITELY worth the money .. if you run a good custom hot tune on a gasser and it's 40+ RWHP it's def worth it .
Amazing detailed video!! Took a lot of time to put together and we appreciate it a lot man!!
I would agree with getting the HT instead of the HT2 for your 02'. What weight are you pulling and did it bump your mileage up. Diablosport Intune 1000 on 87 gas 12mpg 65 mph towing 5500lbs with the 00' 5.3L 3.73 gears
Interesting, I had a 1986 chevy pickup, before computers. I built a 350 small block for it, and dyno tested at 475 HP. I towed a 30 foot trailer across the US and back . On average I got 10 miles per gallon, it did not matter if I was towing or running empty, 10 miles per gallon. I did change the rear end gear ratio to 11:12.
I've done some 0-60 testing as well. I film the gauges. I pull my foot off of the brake and floor it. No brake torquing for a better launch. Eliminate as many variables as possible. Instead of a stopwatch operated by me (or a child), I go back through the videos when editing and start time when I see the oil pressure gauge spike before the truck even moves. It seems to be a good marker. I cycle through frame by frame to find the exact times. I note the time to three decimal places when the oil pressure spikes and when the speedometer hits 60. The difference between these is my 0-60 second time. I do several tests. I don't see the results until after so I can't tell how much an upgrade like headers or roller rockers or electric fan or new intake manifold or k&n filter change the times. Finally, I plug the time and vehicle weight into a 0-60 calculator. This tells me approximate wheel horsepower increases.
I've increased fuel economy by 23% and wheel horsepower by over 50.
Great Advice! I like that idea
I use a GPS free dyno app, not perfect but if you have real gains it will show.. had a ford 7.3 that ran 16s, after chip and intake 14.1, but that was with pre loading and the 7.3 was way tuned down from factory
I love how you're hanging out with the kiddos using a public road as your private testing track! Lol too funny
This guy is on AWESOME father I salute this man!!👌
Very good video! I appreciate all your time that you put into the review. I LOVE the dad moments! Too fun! I doubt I would ever get this info from the manufacturer. I will be checking you out in the future to see what else you got. Thank you!
Big Blocks specifically had a bad rod/stroke ratio (bad rod angle), so the piston skirts and cylinders will definitely wear faster. Doesn't really matter on yours because it already has 200K+ miles :-)
BTW if NE1 is looking to do 8.1L upgrade, these engines were used on jumbo-sized Uhauls so u might be able to buy cheap cores from your regional Uhaul repair center. They had much bigger/longer intakes for max. torque.
+takeadayofff I will keep that in mind...I actually plan on taking the Alison Transmission, Rear Differential, computer and Engine out of this truck and installing it all into a later 70's early 80's K20 Chevy Truck
@@doityourselfbri Hey Brian that is alot easier said than done. We are in the process of doing just that. The wiring is friggin nightmare... We never tested or learned where the actual power circuit is at on the GM computer so now I have to go to Allentown to a guy that knows a bit more than we do about the shit but it took a month to create a new trans cross member. We are actually putting the big block in an 88 Ford short bed 4x4. Bit off more than you can imagine. The speedometer we have to convert it to electronic the new cluster do so is over 300 bucks.
An 8.1 is not a big block
Dude seriously you have you son doing it on a stopwatch. Human error is gonna be huge there. Love that you got your kid in it though that is super cool. Awesome dad. Need a gtech pro. Or something automatic and electronic. You got a real hotrod there 10 seconds 0 to 60 lol. Anyway your kids love it and that is awesome man great dad.
Purchased an edge obd style plug in kit about a year ago for my 500$ Pontiac grand am. As of a year. Gained +3 miler per gallon, front wheels actually pull so hard I need two hands, and easy plug in style is a no brainer🙃
The tuning is right on par with the older style “piggy back” direct ecu, with wire taps.
500$ for the car. 220$ for the chip. 30k miles later it payed it self off 10k ago.
Oh and if anyone who works or knows how these chips work and are actually “tuned vehicle specific” reply… cause I’ve always wanted to take the chip that Is custom tuned, and see if I can swap it out car to car or is it really custom per car🧐🧐
Thanks for your time!
Best thing you can do is get custom programming done from a reputable tuner with something like EFI live or SCT programs. That will net you the most power AND efficiency for the money while being safe for your engine.... and a custom tune/ program can adjust more parameters.
Drew w Only problem is that it's very difficult to find a reputable tuner in many areas of the nation. Additionally, it can be quite costly, and for the average person and vehicle, it is usually not worth the expense. The bottom line is that simply playing with the electronic controls of your vehicle will not gain you enough performance to matter for your money. In fact, in many cases, you will find that your gasoline powered vehicle will simply use more expensive fuel, thus costing you a lot more to operate it on a daily basis, for no noticeable gain. The reality that nobody wants to accept is that internal combustion engines require much more extensive and expensive component performance modifications / upgrades to produce noticeable power gains.
The Vortec 8100 is a beast!
I actually really like it!
How do you think it would do on a 99 Dodge Ram 1500 with a 318?
Nice review! Nicely done.
Enjoyed watching your video Brian. Taking the kiddos along for the ride is cool. Nice to have your family with you out to "play". Granted, we all know you were probably just "stuck watching the kids" b/c the wife wasn't around, but still, it's nice to spend time with 'em nonetheless. LOL Anyhow... The 8.1L V-8 Chevy trucks were such terrible fuel pigs. Thus, any positive change in economy was a welcome thing. As I recall, our nearly new 2001 Chevy 2500HD, Allison automatic, 4x4, reg cab, reg bed truck averaged between 6 to 9 mpg. It was absolutely freakin' terrible. That said, it was fun to drive and was a freakin' rocket ship from the factory. However, the fuel it consumed was absolutely insane. We eventually sent it down the road and replaced it with 6.0L V-8 gas powered Chevy pickup, which hauled nearly everything we tow and haul just as well and used much less fuel in the process.
Another thing to note, I also owned a mint, low-mileage 1997 Dodge 2500HD 4x4 with the 8.0L V-10 gas engine. It was a consistent 9 to 10 mpg truck all the time, empty or loaded, towing heavy or barebacked. She was a fuel pig as well, but was still MUCH better than the Chevy. Additionally, it was as powerful as the diesels from the same era, (higher torque and horsepower as factory tested statistically) and was actually much faster and more fun to drive. It was a factory rocket ship with the 4.10 gears and 5 spd manual tranny that it had from the factory. That's one truck I do miss and regret selling.
For the record, my current trucks are all 5.9L Cummins diesels now, with a couple of gas-powered exceptions which are not used daily. You simply cannot beat the power and economy of a 5.9L Cummins diesel engine when comparing to any comparable gasoline engine or more modern larger displacement fuel pig diesel.
My 2018 5.0 with a programmer and new gears k&n intake and staright xpipe with open headers from kooks. Put me at 467hp and 490trq the truck was lowerd 2 inchs in back. It has 17 inch rims on drag radels tries by Nitto. Putting a twin trubo with a upgraded on trans see it handles it. Push towards 800hp and about maybe 1000+trq it does 0 to 60 in 4.5 seconds. I hopeing i can get at least 2.8 seconds with full bolt ons and twins. Its going be a toy truck for drag raceing and then strip it to a rally truck and take the front axle off to a 2wd.
@@Ayeitsscott all part of the game
Varedz lying your ass off much
Varedz what are you trying to compensate for with these outlandish stories
I noticed you have to drive a couple of hours to get full effect of the tune.Yea superchips not edge but I think any brand has to settle into any tune
+Jason joncas Yes I agree, I think things to get a little better after driving on the tune.
Dude you’re awesome, I’m sold on this product now you seem like a very trustworthy guy.
I’m curious how much mpg increase a cold air intake nets me
I think their are plenty of cold intake videos that say to...skip them all together. They look kinda cool under the hood tho...
G Henrickson so they don’t increase mpg?
CAI are a waste of money as I found out sure they look great stock box with a drop in performance dry filter is the way to go
Thank you for this great video. Always wondered if real gains can happen with a hand held tuner. In extreme mode you might see gain if you get used to the way it drives. I feel if you use it more often and drive normal you could enjoy it more and get better MPG. Engine working not as hard to get you around. In economy mode the savings for you is 87 gas instead of 91. So thats money per gallon savings. Unless you feel its retarding the engine to a point that it might cause damage. Lots of good things and some bad like everything. Glad you had a great time with your family while doing the video.
This reminds me of me and my kids
you're one cool dad! nice family.
+skabootykat Thanks!
Interesting. I just bought a edge evolution CST2 today and it's literally was night and day. I went from 12.9mpg on the highway to after on economy, went up to 17mpg. The power also changed with it being a bit more peppy and the shifts with my large tires cleaned up dramatically. Perhaps the newer updates for 2020 changed things
So after this much time has passed, would you say your happy with the purchase or regret it?
I am interested in purchading one, but unlike most people, i dont want power gains, im more concerned with gaining MPG...
I own an 07 Sierra with horrible fuel mileage...
splash it'll help .. I have 37s on 4.56 gears, before the gears on stock gears and 37s I got 11mpg average , after 4.56 gears I averaged 13-13.5mpg and now with the CTS2 on Eco . I get 15-15.5mpg ... I imagine I'm a stock truck without lift and wheels you'd be a good 2.5mpg better with a tune on Eco
Hunter Basselite
Cool
Thanks
Your kids are the best!
pretty cool i wish my dad would have done shit like that with me growin up.
Don’t forget that’s 10 hp a sticker 😂😂😂
I want to get one to improve my gas mileage on my 15 silverado 1500. I put larger tires on it and my gas mileage went way way down. I don't race, will this help me ??? I tow a boat once in a while.
I think it would help a little, however not much....
S Meg you get what you pay for, some of the more expensive tuners (efi live)
Will have a noticeable increase in horsepower or gas mileage depending on the setting, I think I saw a video out there where a guy went from 14 mpg’s city to 17 city in a 5.3 Silverado
Do It Yourself Bri Would I see any improvement in MPG on a 17 High Country 6.2L not that it's bad getting around 22 MPG on an average? The 6.2L calls for Premium gas from the factory
You should look into air bags for the rear. Your squatting pretty good there.
My 07 classic z71 runs to 75 in second stock, in tow haul it goes to 80 mph in second, it's a 4.8 4x4 lol
👍🏻 being a cool dad
You were testing your 0-60 on a 35mph road
Haha your in Utah the big hill is right by my house .
Nice!
superchips all the way
Anything out there working with a Ford Focus 2007 2.0?
+Curiosity Not that I have seen. :)
i put an sct tuner on my focus
Curiosity Lol... throw that piece of shit in the junkyard.
I guess you never drove one.
Curiosity I owned one for a grand total of 24 hours, returned it because it was garbage. Best decision I ever made.
You are wasting money with the premium fuel. Premium fuel is for higher compression engines. The higher octane fuel has to compress more before it ignites and a lower compression engine can't compress it fully. The programmers do not change your compression ratio so you will have fuel that isn't being fully ignited and thus wasted because your stock compression isn't designed to ignite the higher octane fuel.
Generally yeah on a hot day towing you want some good gas though. The knock sensor's will protect the motor though
Dam that truck is slow.
We’re going 0-60 bring the kids
Nice uw shirt
Bottom line is this... Do they work? Yes. Are they worth the expense? Nope, not really. Moral of story... Save your money!
Plug in programmers for modern gasoline engines are really just a waste of money. Most gasoline engine programmers only do two things: 1.) They change (re-map) the ignition timing by advancing or retarding it. Same damned thing you could do back in the good 'ol days by adjusting your vehicle's distributor before they came out with DI (distributor-less ignition) systems. The cunt-hair of improved power is negated by having to run the higher octane fuel to prevent pre-ignition which leads to any engine's early demise.
The 2nd thing they can do (but not always, depends on the programmer) is they can modify/change the shift points on an electronically shifted automatic transmission. Frankly, it's a very similar concept as to what the Tow/Haul mode switch does on your gearshift lever on a GMC/Chevy truck.
THE END.
So it changes the timing because you cannot? So it changes the shift points because you cannot? This is a bad thing?
G Henrickson, as I said previously, Gasoline engine programmers typically advance the ignition timing and require you to always run premium fuel (the highest octane available, typically 91 to 94) from the local gas pumps. High octane fuel helps to combat against pre-ignition (detonation) that occurs with too much ignition advance. As you know, premium gasoline is VERY expensive. The performance gains from doing this upgrade are so minimal that you will never even feel it. You will tell yourself you notice a difference, but that is because you are mentally fooling yourself into believing so because you just spent a lot of money for basically nothing.
Secondly, the shift points are moved to allow for more rpms between shifts, resulting in harsher shifting and more pull between shifts. This is sometimes more useful in heavier towing or hauling situations, but is totally unnecessary for the average person. Beyond that, it typically makes your vehicle less fuel efficient to boot.
I tell you all of this stuff because I've "been there & done that" with a couple of my gas-powered trucks over the years. Lesson learned is that I will NOT be purchasing or adding programmers to a gas powered vehicle ever again. It is simply NOT worth the investment to spend a bunch of money and time to make my vehicles cost me more money to operate on a daily basis, for basically no noticeable gain.
Turbo Diesel I've had a edge CTS2 on my silverado 5.3 for a lil less than a year , all it had before the tune was a cold air and throttle body spacer and 35s with 4.10s , dyno with that , before tune was 266-278rwhp (3 runs) .. AFTER the programmer installed on a Custom Street/performance tune it hit 306rwhp on first pull (after being cooled ) .. AND I get almost 3mpg better than I did .. now I have 4.56 gears and 22x14s American forces on 37x13.5 Nitto Trail grapplers and everything else the same and I get the exact same mpg as I did and a lot more pep ... without the Eco tune I'd be losing over 65 miles out of a full tank and losing over 11 dollars per fill up , It's DEFINITELY worth the money .. if you run a good custom hot tune on a gasser and it's 40+ RWHP it's def worth it .
Edge stuff was engineered for diesel, they work on gas, but all programmers work better on diesel, they have turbos and injector pumps you can turn up
Better off with either the diesel or the 6 liter, they make some power
Sure...my used Excursion in gas was 8K. The diesel rigs were twice and three times that amount. No thanks...I will just drive slower.
All hand held programmers suck custom tuning with hptuners is the best
I have the exact same problem with my odometer
Prius will do less than 10 sec.....
Its broke your car
child services might wanna talk to ya .
lol.
this dud is one dangerous driver.