CV9030 FIN Switchology and Fire Control System
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- Moving to a more modern IFV, but still not at the high end of complexity, the CV9030 from Finland, with the 30mm Bushmaster II chain gun.
Again, the sim is Steel Beasts Pro.
Patreon is here. / the_chieftain
PKT machineguns were used on Finnish CV90 because so many PKTs in storage due to BMP1 and BTR purchases and also because infantry uses PKM as their squad level machinegun in mechanized forces and most other forces as well.
It's also just a good machinegun. At least the PKM is very reliable . Remember running a training camp on it and I think it jammed like twice during two days of shooting. Where as the finnish light machinegun (been a long time, don't remember the designation) would jam like once per shooter.
@@mikkosaarinen3225 KvKK 62 is the old 7.62x39 squad machinegun
I knew I was not the only one who sings the Finland song every time I hear someone say Finland!
👍👍👍
At 24:30 "i couldn't tell and your friend couldn't remember" is switch for launching 76mm self defence HE chargers. Two additional 76mm tubes in front of turret.
This series is super cool and incredibly interesting. Thanks for doing these, as always.
About the gun camera, at least for Finnish crews it was the driver who usually kept eye on that to see when to stop in to a position, so that the hull was protected but the gun clear. In other situations both the commander or gunner might check it as well.
Ah, of course Chieftain mentioned it, commenting too fast...
Glad to have been able to help at least somewhat! The name was close enough, although the last name comes from Italy. Really enjoyed the video, hopefully you'll continue the series. To anyone with experience on AFVs, do offer to help, it was fun thinking back to my times as the TC, even though I remembered less than I would have liked.
Sovrano thanks for helping chieftain, the Finnish CV90 has some extremely clever functions 👍
@@matthayward7889 Thanks Matt! It was very fun to live those memories again. It's a great AFV, it was a joy to serve on it.
@@Ethnarches I myself only have experience of the swedish versions in IFV and ARV variant in double sided exercises...
From the wrong end of the gun...
Mostly when on foot...
And my personal oppinion is that they drive far too quiet from the front than any tracked 26+tons vehicle has any right to be...
@@SonsOfLorgar yeah, especially with other noises masking the AFVs sounds, you can get surprisingly close to infantry without them noticing. The IR sight gives you great awareness of infantry in the vehicle and I remember surprising quite a few of them by sneaking up to a position from where you could lay down some serious punishment with the MG and especially the explosive multi purpose rounds in bursts. This was of course only simulation, but still it gave you a sense of its power against infantry.
@@Ethnarches yeah, you feel the vibrations through your feet before you hear the vehicle as soon as there's even the slightest wind to rustle the foliage. And then it's already too late to run....
One of the most significant emotional events with CV9040 I have had was in early february 2004 when I and four others on the B side were dispatched as forward observers at the edge of an open field.
The squad leader took one private and the binoc to find a good spot while the rest of us with the radio were ordered to wait in a large shallow pit.
About fifteen minutes later, the leader and the private came running over the edge, shouting at us to run.
As soon as we got over the other edge of the pit we heard at least three MGs open up far to our right and a bit behind us. We kept running and jumped down a low, less than 1m, cliff, and the hit sensor rig of thd last guy to jump started beeping in mid air, indicating a total casualty....
Two of the others made it across a snowed over dirt road, I and threw myself in the snow next to a small pine tree just as the IFVs roared by at around 10-20km/h.
I looked up and got an "oh shit fuck my luck" moment when I saw that the tracks of the closest IFV had passed only 15cm on the other side of the 15cm thick pine trunk I had been resting my helmet against... XD
Gunner's main sight has a magnifier. It's a ring around the scope, which you rotate, to get the magnification you need or want. Though I don't remember how high it goes. I was a gunner in the very first full CV9030FI training company (2006-07). Only one before us was a practice group of 4 tank crews I believe. Ps. we also were issued with the Chinese AK knock offs you saw inside. That was for the commander, only one per vehicle. Other crew had to do with pistols.
You should do the original swedish Strf9040 with the legendary Bofors 40mm gun.
^ THIS!
Bofors 40mm 3P 6-Mode Programmable All Target ammunition is just fucking awesome dakka
Legendary WW2 gun
@@TheSuspectOnFoot *redesign of a famous ww2 gun
Damn, was adding this to my watch later list to watch in the morning and now I got Monty Python in my head.
No regrets.
Close your hatch when firing the cannon/machine gun or else your fumes won't be properly extracted from the turret ;-). I really like this vehicle it has so many different versions with the same basic layout it almost doesn't matter if you train on this one or the cv9035nld jus a few different systems and a gun flipped 90° witch leaves more room for the commander. Thanks for this video!
Hi!
How did you load the cannon and its magazine? I mean 30mm
The best singer of all time
and that was him sober! imagine him drunk at a karaoke bar!
Lol
@@tahunkwai5979 He's full Irish. I dont think he can get past buzzed.
He gets all the Grammy’s
As a Fin I am proud of your song.
Thumbs up for the song alone.
17:45 We've replaced their monitor with a Original Gameboy, lets see if they notice.
Huh, I was kind of expecting this thing to have a Salmiakki dispenser on board.
That's what the troop compartment cupola is actually for, it's a docking socket for the dispenser, it was too big to fit inside.
Hey. I was a driver on a Norwegian cv 9030n mk1. Let me know if you want to now more about the switcholigy of it
When it comes to a family of vechicles like this that's used by multiple countries in just as many variants, I find it extremely interesting to see the differences in how the different countries has decided to adapt the base vehicle to their national army priorities.
It says a lot about the strategic doctrines and attitude of the respective nations towards the role of the specific vehicle.
Would love to see a similiar video series on the Leo2 family.
As a comment to the "troopie" cupola. What the squad leader sees may be where the vehicle has been but if you think about it, they have the most relevant view for the dismounts. Because the infantry is going out the back of the vehicle. So they never have to dismount blind.
I did my military service on the Swedish version of the CV90.
We had brand new vehicles and the first with the "Effect Package" which was later developed into the CV90A (the A version is an enhancement over the baseline fyi).
What year was that?
@@SonsOfLorgar 97/98 so quite some time ago.
It was the first year the Leopard 2A5(s) was in service as well but that was on the neighboring company which had tanks.
It was also the last year that the Fortress of Boden was in service as it decommissioned on the new year. So old and new truly met as the army was comming out of the mass mass army of the cold war into a more modern and mechanized force.
But that was cut short.
About two months before my conscription tour was over the great slaughter of the Swedish military began and out Final Exercise was scaled down massively for budget costs.
@@AdurianJ yeah, I did mine in 03/04, two years later my regiment was dismantled and the regiment my dad had served at as an officer for most of his life was dismantled in 2001
This brings back memories.
Glad to see you finally came over for video on Suomi !!! Land of my Grandfather! Must find this Finland song.
_Finlandia_ or _Maammelaulu_ should be the name
@@thelittlestmig3394 LOL no, that song that The Chieftain was singing was from Monty Python.
Let's see your unrivaled collection of Scandinavian credit cards.
Great to see a real "simulator" in action. :)
Monty Python's Contractual Obligation Album? I see you're a man of culture as well.
Switchology, no doubt Chieftain's finest content.
That was interesting. Looks like a well thought out weapons system.
If you plan on doing one about the CV9035 or CV9040...wait till the update in SB is done. The 3P and KETF ammo will work more realistic then in version 4.023
And the BTG and HJET45
Chieftian: the musical.
Ohhh... The CV90 looks nice, can we just buy some to replace the Bradly?
Sounds like you work at the DOD, because this thing, an abomination call the Lynx from Raytheon, and the Griffin III from General Dynamics are currently in competition for the US Army's Next-Generation Combat Vehicle program.
@@nercksrule for an "abomination" the CV90 has aced the procurement trials of at least five countries in competition against the Bradley, Marder, Warrior, BMP and others...
(That said, I have no idea how much corruption played into those scores, but I doubt it was much as the countries in question are reputable as low-corruption, high professionality.)
Also, what makes the CV90 an abomination in your eyes?
We all know the Army will just pick a updated version of the Bradley to simplify training. not to mention we have thousands of perfectly fine Bradley's sitting out in storage.
Lead choice for the Australian Army. Yeah! Will replace the old sardine machine (M113)
No it isn't - at least in terms of Land 400 Phase 3.
Didn't the Boxer win the Aussie APC contract?
@@TheChieftainsHatch No. It won Land 400 Phase 2 - The Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle (i.e. ASLAV replacement)
Which suggests that perhaps the Lynx (another Rheinmetall product) might have the edge - commonality of parts, weapon, etc. over the BAE (CV90) or the Hanwha (Redback) products.
113A3 will always have a special place in my heart
"Bushmaster 30mm. Fires as fast as you can pull (crank) the trigger"
Have you considered the M-113? Must be one of the most used apc's in the world. Quite old now but many people, myself included, would love to see you do a video on the old tincan warhorse. Be a great way to horrify modern day armor and armor infantry. ^.^
My superivsor at my workplace did his service as a driver for one of those things.
He has a few funny and horrifing stories about this aluminium shoebox.
From what he told me, it sounds more dangerous to the crew and passengers than to the enemy.
Erai Hiryuu - I'm guessing you have never been inside an old M113 because if you have you would know there really aren't many switches. The M-113 is just a alluminum box with a driver and TC. All it has in it is a radio and driver controls. It doesn't have a weapon system unless you consider the mounted .50 cal or M249 on the top of the vehicle. This vehicle came out in 1960 and really hasn't change much at all lol.
Squad leader doesn't need to know what's in front of the vehicle; that's the crew's job. Dismounts have several meters of armor between themselves and whatever's in front of the CV90. SL needs to know what's going on around them so they have a picture of what needs to happen immediately after they get out
Oh the daka-daka tank? Nice!
Been gunner on CV9040 and CV9035DK ... 9035 is the best in sooo many ways..
Swedish cv90 factory workers claims that the 30mm is the best and powerful gun
Do an inside the hatch video on the panzer 2
The reason for having a Russian PKP coaxial instead of a Western gun is historical: when Imperian Russia adopted the 7.62x54R round in the 1890s, Finland was part of Russia (since 1809). With independence in 1917, the Finns inherited a large stock of Russian infantry weapons, including rifles and machine guns in this caliber, and it was thus practical to stick with it. This came in useful in WW2 when large amounts of Soviet weapons and ammunition were captured and could be put to use, and the 7.62x53R (just slightly different) still remains the standard full-power rifle-caliber cartridge used by the Finnish Defence Force, now primarily in modern machine guns like the PKP and sniper rifles, though the (domestically designed) .338 Lapua Magnum is gaining ground in the latter. However, NATO standard 7.62x51 (.308) ammunition is used in, e.g., the MG3 on the Leopard 2.
I was a bit disapointed that you didn't introduce the drivers seat at all, but all and all good video! =)
"Switchology" The study of switches!
Now that i think about it, there has been a low quantity of real armor around these places 🤔
The next World of Tanks update looks great :v
I might even switch over from War Thunder
i saw Palin performing it in Belfast at his one man show, hmmm 20 years ago.
Very good show.
Get on with it!😁
I'm guessing the reminders are because the conscripts are trained on these vehicles. So the crews have variable proficiency and motivation.
just like Arma game ;-))
Nice show
Finland need new CV90s!
now I haven't used one practically but I did get to sit in the same turret in an AMV35, it may have had to do with the seat height or something, but in the gunner's seat there seemed to be no ergonomic way to get your face up to the Thermal monitor/Unity sight without either squatting on the seat or smashing your chin and lower jaw into the direct vision optic as you tried to crane your neck over it
would be fun if you did a scenario on screen some day.
Do they have møøse in Finland? I heard møøse bites Kan be pretti nasti...
No, in the Nordic countries, we have elks.... unless the mosquitoes flew off with them of course.
@@johanmetreus1268 yes we do, we have mooses everywhere in finland
Went to the well to find something deep to say, but it was drippin' dry today. Hey, hey, hey.
- Fin
Why not just put the monitor under the camera????
You are unhinged-in a good way.
Loistavaa. Tervetuloa.
Will you ever do a development of the italian army's tanks?
He will if they will.
@@forbeshutton5487 what?
Yes, there will be an Italian armor doctrine video later this year.
@@TheChieftainsHatch *happy semovente noises*
@Paul von Hindenburg italy failed the mechanization vs motorization debate tbh.
that little information screen kinda reminds of what you find in an old Timberjack Forwarder ngl.
The DASA screen?
@@Joelsfilmer if that's what it is called, yeah. spent some time behind the controls of Forwarders, the look and even size of it reminds me strongly off of the screens you'd find in something like that. just a little obsevation i made.
Question unrelated to the video, but I don't know where else I would be able to ask this of anyone. It's been reported in the military procurement news for a while that the US Army is looking to acquire 50mm cannons and the Marine Corps is examining replacing 30mm cannons with 40mm ones. These are barrel-change modifications of the Bushmaster III 35mm and Bushmaster II 30mm cannons. Now I had been aware for a while of a US Army trial that examined 25mm point-detonation projectiles versus 30mm and 35mm point-detonation and Programmable-fuse projectiles. While the 35mm programmable shells were able to get more "kills" per shot, the ammunition carriage in the same volume of space was so much lower that the 30mm programmable variants turned out to have the most "stowed kills" - so the Army should stick with its planned upgrade of 30mm Strykers.
With this in mind, why is the Army suddenly looking at 50mm? I've read that the 50mm has "greater range" than the 35mm...which would only be possible if the 50mm had dramatically higher chamber pressure than the 35mm cartridge. I don't know a whole lot about the "chain gun" mechanism, so I *suppose* that's possible, but it should also be possible to just up the chamber pressure on the parent cartridge in that case... But the only way you don't go DOWN in "stowed kills" is if the 50mm has DRAMATICALLY higher killing potential, even over the "neckless" 40mm cartridges. So what's going on here with this proposed "50mm cannon" standard? Why would the Army be looking at an "upgrade" that degrades overall performance against the main target for IFVs?
Sounds like the workings of a career fool of a general. Its truly as you say redundant to change. Sounds more like one of the many wasteful ideas of the US Army.
Also Chainguns in 50mm is to big aswell, the 35mm bushmaster is huge, the 40mm Gau mounted on the A-10 takes up about 40% of the plane, and indiffrence to the bradleys and such platforms that use bushmaster guns whould lose alot of room to the munitions alone. As a dedicated support vehicle yes, but as a mainstay vehicle its overkill and pointless since it defeats the Purpose of the vehicle.
@@Zretgul_timerunner The 50mm cannon is actually the 35mm Bushmaster III with a barrel change (and a couple of additional parts swapped out. But still, the Bushmaster III is a fairly hefty piece of equipment in any vehicle.
I wonder, what would happen if you had it set to Moving target, but you remain stationary and target a stationary vehicle?
I have a Shell casing from a Danish CV 9035.
Nice!
I've got one from a CV9040 and one from a CV9035, I got the 40mm one from an exercise field cleaning in 2004 and the 35mm was found on another exercise field where there had been a PFP exercise a week earlier.
SonsOfLorgar i bought mine at a swap Meet for 50 Danish crowns. Which equates to about 7 USD.
@@ninus17 good find! And not a bad price either, the price of the Bofors 40/70 brass is commonly around 800-1000SEK each.
Afaik, the Danish 35mm bushmaster casings are aluminium?
@@SonsOfLorgar i think the one i bought is made of steel, it has some rust looking things inside but i might be residue from the firing
I have a shell casing from a Norwegian CV9030N
Suomi mainittu, torilla tavataan!
too bad that the best IFV in the World was never produced, the Begleitpanzer 57 AIFSV.
4:21 - Grud. Those sodding things. There has to be millions of those lights sitting in stores all over the Western World. They were supplied GFE from the Customer and we were required to fit them to our designs.
Then of course you are designing a welded boss pattern to mount them which means anything you want to retrofit later has to match the same mounting pattern and... Looks like you are stuck using Dome Lights for the life of these vehicles.
I miss working in Land Systems.
Oh so sadly neglected
And often ignored
A poor second to Belgium
When going abroad....
Your mountains so lofty
Your treetops so tall ...
Less tanking more singing! :P
Oh fugg
benis
5th symphony by sibelius ,, hum a few bars
You sir, seemed more like a gunner then a TC. You switched modes and imaging and dropped targets fast.
Pretty similar to the new UDES swedish med line, in some tank game, are they related?
get a drill and attach the crank, what ROF loss?
How about doing a video on the M-50 Onto?
Does the real CV9030 FINN have Swedish as a menu option, seeing it's an official language? If it does: does it actually have English as an other?
It actually does have English. Toni did not mention anything about Swedish.
Swedish may be an official language, but these vehicles are designed to hold of the sweedish invasion. Don't want them to reuse captured vehicles TOO easily ;D
Glyn Watkins finnish military is language segregated. all swedish speaking are trained as naval infantry in the navy in their own garrison separate from the rest of the navy. zero change of them ending up in an army mech inf unit equipped with CVs.
You wouldn't be happy on the TC seat.. the ammo feeding tube would crush your left leg =)
I can tell from experience that it is quite a a tight space for your legs, but you usually are peeking up from the tank so it isn't that much of a problem. You do need to be mindful of how your legs are positioned though. Had to move my knees fast a couple of times so they wouldn't get crushed when swinging the gun up.
A video on the upcoming 4.1x upgrade, showing the improved fragmentation model and the importance of selecting the right ammunition nature in the CV90 familly: ua-cam.com/video/Bnv9h3wHTtU/v-deo.html
Looks good ;-)
So was this built to be manned by Gondolas?
Hey man do a video about FV4005 there is one in bovington tank museum
You did perfectly fine with your Finnish, considering you don't speak it. I could understand the words just fine.
Swedish engineering!
Atleast half of it
Does anybody know what key he's using to move the camera closer to the panels?
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Can you do the conqueror
Is this a Swedish afv in finnish service or the obiset
It is Swedish in Finnish service, yes.
US ARMY ,,,, please please please get the CV90 or something comparable !!!
No more Chieftain's hatch videos I guess
On the contrary, there will be. I'm just saving up for the next trip.
Spamalot 😁
Is this Program available for the public?
Yes, at esimgames.com
@@TheChieftainsHatch Thanks
Does the real CV9030FIN only have a language choices of Finnish and English or does it come with Swedish too? (Considering that swedish is an official language in Finland).
Finnish army command language is Finnish. Even in swedish speaking unit command language is finnish.
@@ninaakari5181 When did that change?
@@lavrentivs9891 well Finnish has allways been the only command language of the Finnish army. Goverment has 3 official languages (Finnish, Sami and Swedish) but military has just Finnish as official command language. Soldiers can speak what ever language they want between themselves
@@ninaakari5181 There used to be entierly swedish speaking regiments though and if I recall correctly (which I might not do, my memory is rather bad these days) all inter-regimental communication was done in swedish.
@@lavrentivs9891 propably Swedish volunteer regiment during 2nd world war. There was some accidents because of communication difficulties and some Swedish volunteers got killed by back flash of panzerfaust since they didn't understand finnish instructor. Otherwise Finnish is the only command language of Finnish military
NO! More like 30!! Eeek.
Isn't the CV90 from Sweden?
It is, but this one is the version Finnish army uses.
10:05
From what game is this?
Moar
Can I play Pacman on that computer?
why not make a video on the CV90 family. or first do a video on the CV9040 in swedish service. you know, where that iFV came from?
Two reasons. 1) Nobody with Swedish 9040 experience has come forward yet, and 2) The extra fuzing and programming isn't quite correct in the simulator yet.
@@TheChieftainsHatch allright, thank you for the answer!
Stick to your present occupation(s). 0___0
How much for one of those models? Lol
Good news: Chieftain has a teleprompter. Bad news: Chieftain begins with a song. Skip to 2:00 mark for actual material.
TIL "infrared" in finnish is "Lämpök" - the more you know....
Well actually lämpök is short of lämpökamera=thermal camera. Infrared=infrapuna
yes subscribestar,,, black5,, out
What is hell's name is switchology?
Could it be the well known field of science dedicated to the study of the high and mighty switch, in it's many and varied forms. Toggle, rocker , etc No! It seems to be the layout of controls and ergonomic design of AFV.'s.. Well who would have guessed.