US Tank Crew Personal Clothing and Equipment
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- What does the typical self-respecting US tanker wear, and why?
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Puts on a balaclava and talks in an Irish accent to a camera while sitting on a couch in a non-descript room.
Secret IRA spy?
@@GlockamoleG17 I call them Irish Car Bumpers (rather than Bombs). I'm not worried about offending anyone, the name just sounds tacky and a bit cringe. Fucking delicious though, whatever you call them.
Welp, I'ma head down to the store now and get some Guinness and Jameson. I've already got the Baileys so I might as well, what?
@G Man Get back in your safe space snowflake
My little Armalite...
@@donnaghdineen1499 It was a weird comment.
The main advantage of the tanker coveralls is going to a bar in them and convincing the ladies you're a Pilot.
@@tylerwenks1063 Are you the driver or the tc
Why the hell would you try and convince someone you're a pilot, when you're a tanker? Tanks are much better and more useful. Can you pick up your date in a tank? Yes.
Is parking gonna be an issue? No, not really.
What did you have in mind for our date? She might ask. Well I know of a very beautiful place on the bank of the Rhine and we could have a picnic on the engine deck and then use the magnified optics to look at the stars.
Can you convince her dad that you'll return her safe and sound at 11? Look Bob, I have space for an Assistant Driver wanna come with?
Depends on what army are you a member.
@@andrewjersey3633 pilots notoriously “clean up” as in they pull bitches more than most other service members.
@@andrewjersey3633 hmm could they really see the stars with the optics ?
"when i played infantry obviously i'd switch to a leg holster" - spoken by a true IRL gamer
"Who would shoot me in the back in a tank?"
Dunno. How much do you trust your crew?
True, however as the TC he was at the rear of the turret facing forward with no one behind him.
@@willblucat3335 Ah, so that's why he did wear the front plate :P
As a former tank crewman, first thank you for pointing out that the black beret was ours long before the rangers stole it. Second, the "cooling vest" was more like a convection oven in Iraq. When the air you are pulling in is 120 degrees the air it moves around your body is 120. Third, the second reason for tanker boots was for blood circulation. CVC bag is the poggie bait bag. I don't think I ever carried anything but snacks in that thing. Still have my tanker jacket, my holster, my Stetson and my spurs.
The small pocket on the inner thigh one finds on U.S. flight crew uniforms is for a shroud cutter. The line ties to the shroud cutter to reduce chances of loss.
Thanks! Already thought that would be pretty ideal for a knife or such a thing, 'cause I miss it at the "normal" ACU, but didn't know it really...
Am I correct in assuming that 'Shroud Cutter' is a parachute knife?
@@imagifyer different designs have been called "Parachute Knife" over the years, but probably. last I knew the issue item was some variant of the Colonial "Auto-rescue" ( www.bladehq.com/item--Colonial-Knife-Company-M-724-Orange--9720 ). to be carried in that leg pocket, line secured to the bail, hook deployed, and the clip-point (automatic) blade stowed unless needed.
Yo! I've wondered why that long ass string was bundled up in there for like 20 years! Ha ha thanks. That makes perfect sense.
Yup! I don't know what's issued now, but back in the 70s the shroud cutter was a common looking jackknife with orange scales and a "normal" knife blade on one end, and the hook shaped shroud cutter blade on the other. In typical military procurement idiocy, the normal knife blade was a switchblade, and the shroud cutter was not and had to be opened manually.
When I was in Iraq in 2008, we were issued a dark green t shirt that was cotton. The tan t shirts were still poly material, so at a glance the NCOs could tell if you had the correct uniform on or not.
Why still poly material, are they now cotton?
Could be fun to have a breakdown of different era tank uniforms like ww1, ww2 etc
Would defo like to see that
Yes
That's a great request
& what other countries wore.
from what I understand the standard tanker uniform in ww1 was 1 pair underwear and 1 shirt as anything else would lead to severe heat exhaustion
The RN did indeed have flash hoods when they went to the Falklands. However, they (or the procurement bean-counters) hadn't learned the lesson about wearing nylon coveralls when your ship is on fire. Fortunately, it turns out that one of the most effective forms of first aid for having your uniform melt onto your skin is a quick dip in the South Atlantic.
The US Navy didn’t ditch nylon uniforms until 2015.
Well, at last, some decent gear for tankers! When I was a tanker in the 1960's we had nothing specific for tankers, were not even issued tanker helmets, had to do with como gear worn under a regular steel pot. So uncomfortable and unwieldy we usually wore only the liner in the field (useless for protection). Not in the field we wore the much hated "Patton or Hardee cap", which we had to buy, and as the como gear crushed it quickly, we had to buy them often. Uniforms were the same as infantry "fatigues" and as they quickly became so covered in grease stains (especially the "turret ring tattoo across the back) we had to buy replacements often (pay was less than $100 a month for privates then so that expense hurt) we could, however, put zippers for the boots and would haunt surplus stores for WW2 tanker jackets and raincoats (try wearing a poncho in a tank!) and even aircrew helmets we could wear. Two items from the German army were much envied, the black uniform that did not show the grease stains and the black beret with a bump cap inside for protection great for field use and for just working inside the tank. Love your vids, watch them all.
Mandatory Chuck Norris T-shirt, never change boss never change
Zack Bauer How did you send this comment 2 days ago if it just got out?
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I can't upvote because you're at 69.
Damn the 69 vote.. well this was unexpected
The only thing to do when you see someone actually wearing one is to immediately beat them to the ground - pathetic losers.
Developed a thinner balaclava? My first thought was they'd procured Navy style anti-flash hoods. And seeing it worn, well... I wonder if they use the same supplier as the USN...
Edit: And yep, there it is later.
Stephen Eagles I used nearly the same exact thing as a firefighter starting in the 1990’s.
Not a tanker, nor past military. Just a comment on the Wiley X glasses/goggles. Big thumbs up and mine saved my sight at work after taking an 8 inch aluminum hose coupling across the eyepiece. I have the wraparound gasket-ed set with interchangeable lenses, ear pieces and a stretch strap. Wore hearing protection muffs over them so the strap came in very comfortably. The fitting hit knocked me out for a short time an resulted in a gloriously blackened eye full circle where the gasket compressed, not a mark on the prescription lenses.
oh yes, something simular hapened to me on a job site, was a face full of #2 desiel fuel.
goes to show , the first time the eyepro keeps you out of the ER , you are a Beliver
Not as serious as your experience, me and my friend went ona range day and one of his 10mm case bounce off of the divider and straight into my eye. Had I not worn my eye pros i would have had hot 10mm brass in my eye.
I wore a similar pair motorcycling.
I lost mine day 3 in Iraq. Had to use the big goggles.
@Dennis Young Sure enough, but while looking cheap the Wiley X set offered me prescription tri-focal, inter-changeable, glasses with bows and googles with strap. Best thing the cushioned frame was flexible enough and yet strong enough to withstand the blow, save my eye and only bruise the skin.
The original US issue tanker boots had 1/4" straps that would stretch. In Germany we would buy the German version of the boot which had 1/2" straps and is now adopted by the US military. In the 11th ACR you never had to complete a gunnery table to own or wear them. The story and reason for the straps was in case of flash fire, fast donn/doff, and as you stated to keep laces from getting snagged. Glad to see they upgraded the "Earth, Wind, and Fire" googles.
they have straps because DATs cant tie their own shoes....
must be a scout
John Stacy LOL, yes but today they are consider higher end models “CDATs”.
Hate me tomorrow yep, which just means I’m an over qualified 11B.
tomorrow uh 1 crew chief
“Couldn’t be arsed to clean of desk”
My Brian: flashes back to the video where he had 40k tanks on his desk
Me: I know why his desk his cluttered
"Who's going to shoot me in the back in a tank?" - there speaks a popular officer :P
Well, given the position and facing of the seat for the TC in the turret, it would be difficult for a crew member to shoot them in the back. In the side, in the chest, in the hip, in the knees, but not the back.
Not that difficult (toilet time) ???
As a current M1A2c operator, I can defiantly confirm those nomex suits get way too hot in the summer and not hot enough in the winter.
Unzip the ass flap and leave the Velcro done up. Get decent airflow.
In other words nothing's changed from when I was on M1A1's back in the 1990's.
Not exactly, The M1A2SEP has air-conditioning. It's for the computers, the tankers just get the benefit.
@@andersmaidment Trying to make me jealous? :)
Nah, they sent me to Korea after that. Had to go back to A1's.
Looks like someone's unit bought commemorative Kimber 1911 railed pistols....
Nice.
I am guessing that when a tanker needs to rely on a camouflage suit, something has gone seriously wrong.
Did you guys get different gas masks? I picked one up somewhere with a long tube between the mask and canister. I was told it was for tankers. Marine grunt here so excuse bad spelling and grammar. I'm hungry. Where are my crayons.
there doesn't seem to exist much in the way of tanker specific gas masks, and for tankers, a tube mask would not be the best as the canister was carried in the gas mask bag which was worn on the hip or strapped to the chest
@@quentintin1 so the canister is seperate from the mask?
@@GRANDMASTER3D yes, this format of gas mask was very common through the military world from WWI to WWII (SBR; M2; ANP 31) and were general issue for the armed forces. after the 50s, most of the western world seem to have switched to models where the cartridge screws directly to the mask, with Combloc continuiong to make masks with flexible hoses well into the 70s/80s
@@quentintin1 Yeah in the late 90s we has the ones with the canisters on the mask I still dont know what the one with the separate canister is!
@@GRANDMASTER3D is the mask covers only the face or then entire head? what is the material of the mask (rubber, fabric, rubberized fabric, metal)? what is the shape of the cartridge?
The Navy has used the thinner balaclava for at least 30 years
It's a standard firefighter Nomex hood
Navy firefighting gear circa 1978 = button your shirt collar & sleeves, and pull your socks over your pant leg cuffs. LOL. -Nice gear in today's Navy.
@Greg Siska - ditto for early to mid-70’s. Soon after I got to the fleet I went over to the Marine supply store at NOB Norfolk and bought myself a pair of black rubber sole Marine combat boots. They had great ankle support, were super comfortable and I wore them instead of boondockers. At GQ I would fold and tuck my pants into the boots.
2nd ACR back in 75 to 80 had berets, and when they had them they wore them in the tank and not cvc's understandably that's part of the reason the beret got yanked in 80 and swapped for Ranger Patrol Caps with a Border tab replacing the Ranger tab ,again to a lot of rangers distress. Also Stetsons in circa 1878 were supposed to be blocked pretty much like a fedora
F TRP 2/2 ACR, BAMBERG, WEST GERMANY. 79-81 THOSE WERE THE DAYS. " IF YOU WEREN'T CAV. YOU WERE SHH-HIT"!!!!!
@@snifnor yep thats a tu/tu cowboy talkin SH!t :P Ltrp 3/2 ACR 81-83, If you weren't CAV, you Weren't SHEEEE HIT!
God Rest Terrible "T"
Ooooo finally! I know something that Manic does not. The hat cord is descended from a "Sword Knot" used to tie the saber to the wrist so as not to loose the sword during combat. As sabers became used less and less, the sword knots became more and more decorative. Until today where nobody know the origin.
WWI vs WWII vs Korean War vs Vietnam War and so on tanker uniforms? Maybe a short history or evolution. I would LOVE to learn.
Idk if you care about other wartime iterations and advancements outside of tanks but if you check out the C&Rsenal video on the CSRG "Chauchat" machine rifle it explains the change the teams went through during the great war, from a pair of specialized weapons teams haphazardly scattered in to a division to a specialized half-platoon sized bunker and machine gun nest hunter detachment with very modern doctrine and combined arms tactics. Its fascinating.
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The Royal Navy started using anti flash hoods in WW2 for some personnel such as gunners. By the time of the Falklands all crew were using them when at action stations. It wasn't until the Falklands though that they learned the hoods needed to be tucked into the overalls for the best protection as explosions can blow them off.
Nobody is buying the book? I quite liked it., and I'm hoping you've got plans for a couple more.
Yeah, I've got it. Well worth a read.
I can absolutely confirm that laces melt from the old shell casings: I had it happen to me during the early 90's on the old defensive live fire at NTC, with the M1IP and it's rifled 105. I was a driver who had been temporarily yanked to play loader for the rotation. As I recall we fired every main gun round we had aboard my tank (41 at the time). My laces melted when the casings went above my ankles. We started chucking them out the loader's hatch because one of them had rolled up against the gunner's leg and because I had no place left to stand. There's no aft cap catcher with a full casing coming out. Yes, we had to retrieve them from the ground after the live fire was done.
The old 105 M1 carried a max of 55 rounds of main gun ammo but we only had 41 rounds on board. We didn't put the 8 rounds in the hull because no one wants a tank with live rounds aboard turning their turret past the range fans to get to them. We were also 6 shy of a full load in the turret, because (by unit SOP) we weren't allowed to use the 3 round turret floor storage (it tended to collect small debris that wouldn't let you get a round back out), nor the 3 outer stowage tubes on the ready rack's rotary rack. Too many loader's used to break a finger when that sucker spun around with the weight from the unused rounds. Do you remember that monstrosity? We used to joke about which unlucky bastard would end up flipping off everyone for a couple weeks with a finger cast.
You mentioning flame resistant clothing and balaclavas brought back a long gone memory: when we got our (conscript) infantery equipment we also got a balaclava (maybe for winter face camo) and it had a lable stating "schwer entflammbar" on it. Which basically means flame resistant. But you could also read it as "difficult to inflame". It is a german expression for something that can withstand fire for a bit. And when i entered the room in the barracks as second to last guy, one of my 11 new "roommates" was already holding a zippo to his balaclava to test if the label was true... He stopped after i told him that it doesn't mean it won't burn, just that it will take longer.
My dad used to be in the army(like pretty much everyone in the soviet bloc), and one day, his mate comes in from fixing a truck or something. Sits down in front of the stove, and promptly proceeds to ignite.
Turns out, Warsaw Pact issue uniforms soaked in oil and fuel are not exactly flame resistant.
Reminds me of the story Ian told about attaching Mas 36s together via bayonet lug. Want to test the product? Give it to soldiers.
I'm sure Sofilein would have loved to stand in as a human mannequin, demonstrating how all these pieces are correctly worn. :)
I think she enjoys learning and talking about tanks but a bit of her enthusiasm is faked
15:44 if the TC disconnects from the Intercom while the tank is driving backwards it means "Tank full stop" at least here in germany. Still prefer to wear a baret instead of a helmet inside a tank.
The problem is that we have no way of telling the driver that the intercom has been disconnected...
@@TheChieftainsHatch on our tank you always hear the noise in the headset, once that disappears you know that he disconnected. Of course on the Leopard 2A5 you can drive backwards with out him telling where to go because of the rear camera.
This video gives you a real grasp at just how deeply the Chieftain cares about ergonomics
"Really, who is going to shoot you in the back in a tank?!" - Sounds suspiciously like famous last words! lol.
The helmet lining has a striking resemblance to older helmets from WW2, Russian and American. I think that is a cool legacy left over from good design. However, always found it funny that kind of gear is so far behind modern tech. The noise-cancelling should really be much better. You mentioned the Vic 3 (?) was much better which is good to hear.
I hope you make BC mate!
Eyewear: Wiley X SG-1 with the strap. Worked well for me.
Yup.
A few Wiley models come with the strap. The Sabers are great too under a headset.
Another option might be the ESS Crossbow Suppressors - very thin arms designed for wear under ear defenders.
How did you end up in the US army all the way from Ireland?
Greetings from the homeland btw🇮🇪
Irish?
It sounds more like he's got the Jordan Peterson accent with out the kermit voice.
Got on the wrong airplane at Shannon.
Non-citizens can join the US armed forces. A lot of men from Central America join the US Army as a path to citizenship.
I was recon infantry and recon jeeps/armoured humvees.
My country is too small to really have anything else, so it is interesting to see what the other kinds of services have^^
(BTW, I am from Luxembourg)
Very well done , Nick . I guess I'm an old guy who likes this type of topic .
If that's the case, I'm an old guy too. Not feeling old though. Guess you don't either.
@@Omnihil777 I'm 40 with three wild boys
Great Video and keep up the good work. From an old MG, the balaclava is a requirement for tank gunnery. If you were went down range without it, you might as well clear and elevate and go back and receive your DQ. If the standards fell so low that units allowed crews not to wear them, that is on them. The M1A1 with the 120mm and its semi-combustible ammunition is how the requirement for Nomex came about. Yes there was Nomex underwear, but the Army did not procure it. The flashhold was a godsend, but it seems it took the conflict in Iraq to get it into the supply system for units to order it..
Comment on the eyewear suggestion - The best I found was the Aviator sunglasses. Yes I had to purchase my own, take out the lens and send them to an eyeglasses shop to have my prescription put it, but it was worth it. Wiley's was to 'fishbowl' for me. The REF and APEL (www.peosoldier.army.mil/equipment/eyewear/) get you what you should need, so don't piss off supply and have it ordered. I had the older UVEX, but I still went to my old aviators otherwise I suffered like the Chieftain.
Tanker boots - Nice! Your an officer Chieftain and you should be able to afford the Dehner's boots by now. You also hit the main reason for tanker boots, flex in the ankles while sitting in the tank for long periods of time. Good to see some old knowledge being distributed.
I read below on protective masks and inserts. You should do a vid on that. From the older M-25 (the one with the hose and canister that someone was trying to remember) to the M42 and how that came about for the hose (remember requirements) and the new M-51 pro-mask. To the poster on the eye lens inserts on the mask, on the M-25 yes if you did not put them in right, you could poke something out. My experience is once a scratch my right temple...once. Made sure after that to always have lens insert put in properly.
On the CVC cord and quick disconnect, yeah when it got old, it was not hold. so you took the clip and clipped the cords together. After Desert Storm we always seem to have a few CVC cords. When we got ready to go to Iraq, each tank had the boresight cord or the 25 ft version.
On your plates and body armor. Some of my guys wore the plates in the chicken vest (aka Nomex Armor Vest), until 1st MARDIV said "No Army you cannot." Had to go back to the IBA. I don't know about removing back plates, but we had a little problem in the Fallujah- Ramadi area called snipers, so we wore plates. To each his own I guess.
Of the CVC Gloves you did not show the older set with the black leather palms. When the REF clothing kicked in and everyone received Nomex gloves, It seemed the (www.armyproperty.com/nsn/8415-01-074-9432) these gloves were out of supply and the aviator's were accepted as the normal issue. Makes sense in big Army, why buy two different gloves when they are basically the same thing.
Stay on the tank!
The sniper threat is the main reason I kept the front plate in. That said, I rarely stuck more than my nose out the top. And just as well, given a sniper put a round in one of my cupola periscopes. He was only a couple inches low.
"You could nick this,,,"
Yep, you can take a man out of the Army but never take the Army out of the man. Forever more he will be an official procurer.
Nicked your book at Amazon.
Speaking of the stetsons: I was awarded combat spurs by the cav unit I was with in Afghanistan, even though I was not with them. Is there a regulation or guidance on such things? I have been unable to find it anywhere.
No. However, you generally will only be permitted to wear them if you are at a Cav function or later become part of a cav unit.
To clarify: They were a unit that we were working alongside with as support to free up their personnel to complete their mission, they were only tangentially in my command structure. I realize how I phrased it earlier might be confusing to some people (Including myself)
@@silverstrings5569 That's fine. The bottom line, did they or did they not give you a certificate saying you are a member of the Order of the Spur? If they did, you're sorted. If not, the spurs were a gift, more than an award.
@@TheChieftainsHatch I did indeed receive the certificate.
These generally fall under the ‘Commander’s discretion’ clause of 670-1 as well. Long story short, LTC Chieftain is correct.
As a submariner we also wore anti-flash, go figure !
Are there now females in tanks in the US, and if so what changes have been made to PPE?
Or is it one size fits nobody.
Merry Christmas one and all, have a better, brighter and happier new year.
Alan Brown Great question ! I do not know for sure but I heard that the Pink ones are smaller .
I imagine the buttflap works just fine for pee breaks. Although procurement probably would leave the additional zipper on, which makes me wonder about the feasability of turning it into an extra pocket for small, dumb items.
Or, you know, lady products, if you can keep them from getting too smashed up.
Google says the US introduced female armor troops in 2017. If there are enough differences, it might a good opportunity to get a youtube tank channel like Chieftan or Matsimus to interview a lady tanker. Get their perspective, details about equipment differences, etc.
Yes, I have females in my company. No change to PPE so far
It's amazing to see how similar in design the tanker coveralls are to my old submarine coveralls. We had belt loops since we wore a belt with ours, and no "rear access hatch" but the 2 way zipper and general layout seems to be very similar. We also wore sneakers with ours underway, because quiet.
Edit: Also, that lighter flash hood has been in standard use by the Navy since forever. Looks like they just started giving them to tanker types because it works for you guys too.
WileyX makes ballistic eyewear were the plastic frames can be switched with a strap, though they do not have the ability to have only monocles - according to my knowledge.
I said the same, but the ones I had you could just remove/replace the lenses individually. So it would still wrap around your eye, just without a lense.
That holster was so much better then the old black leather ones we had. They where old worn out and if you had a bad clip on your Lt. Leska cord, I mean lanyard, you would feed your 1911 to the turret monster.
Having fired small arms (as a civilian) and gotten some unpleasant burns from casings (and a small scorch mark on my shirt at one point), I could absolutely see something a thousand times larger and more potent being hot enough to do some serious damage to laces if left there.
Speaking as a U.S. Taxpayer, Single -- proud to serve, sir! -- I can't believe so much of the clothes, eyewear, etc., we give soldiers is apparently not ideal. All that testing and review, and it still isn't perfect for the job? I mean the Army has been training armor crews for desert fighting since at least 1940, so you'd think they would have everything down pat.
"No one is gonna shoot me in the back in a tank" - The first guy to be shot in the back in a tank
I had the Revision wide frame goggles, (never worn,) and WileyX SG1's which were super ballistic but fogged up in the desert heat. Great to see what the poor people wore to work. We commuted by air and mostly worked the night shift.
I know this is an old video but on the subject of eyewear and finding thin safety glasses that are comfortable under a CVC helmet may I recommend the Peltor or 3M securefit safety glasses. They're super cheap, come in smoke, Amber and clear and have a very thin frame that fits great under ear protection. I haven't really spent a lot of time wearing A CVC helmet but I have spent a great deal of time wearing a pair of comtacs under a Kevlar and those thin temple pieces really helped reduce the indentation that tended to form on the sides of my head when I wore the issued ESS glasses. the next best thing by the way are some of the other cheap 3m safety glasses you can find at most stores these days, many have really thin temple pieces that are quite comfortable to wear under ear-pro.
Not so old that I won't read the comment!
Wait, you were 11th ACR, which Squadron and Troop?
L, Wildhorse.
@@TheChieftainsHatch were you in 1\11? I think I also spotted a 185 Armor patch somewhere in your videos too
No, Wildhorse was 1/221. Recon squadron for 11/ACR at the time.
Just watched the video, first I've heard of the book. Went to order it on Amazon, and it's unavailable. I hope that means they all sold?
Yep. We'll be doing a reprint soon.
I'm an idiot who has never done anything, and I'm here to give criticism.
I think your book isn't selling, because
1. The price is a little too steep. I know you probably can't help this.
2. The cover makes it look less like a historical book and more like a World of Tanks Strategy Guide.
i'm more scared of the possible shipping cost and customs i have to pay for having to ship it from NA to indonesia
Thanks for reminding me - apparently, I now have another Christmas present arriving in a few days . . .
I will probably buy it eventually, but at the moment, I'm waiting for Ian McCallums book on French military rifles that I participated in kickstarting early this year.
As someone who studied history in Grad School, I will say that $56 including shipping is nothing for a limited run book. The most important book I needed for my thesis was $400.
I'm not a fan of the cover either. And the price is why I haven't ordered it yet. But really 56 is cheap for a book like that. I have a set of two books that was pushing 600.
I used to wear tanker boots at my first unit in W. Germany in the mid-80's. Then Top said that we were in an infantry battalion, and to lose the boots before he sent my Platoon Sergeant to pull them off my feet and toss them in the trash.
Loved my nomex. In Hoenfels and Graf my field uniform was usually drawers, tshirt, boots, cravat, goggles, MOPP gear, M203, k-pot/cap, and nomex.
And ACUs sucked, but they were far better than the old summer BDU's.
Ah yes, the RN in 1982, anti flash hoods and _nylon_ overalls, that went well.
@Ben White
Don't think the control rooms were much like the average room today, but definitely prone to raging infernoism.
@Ben White You think there might have been some French nationalists back then having some smug self-satisfaction at multiple RN ships being bludgeoned by French-made missiles? And IIRC launched by French jets too.
@Charles Yuditsky Entirely self-inflicted; because regardless of whether or not he's guilty, he voluntarily (and against pretty much everybody's advice) gave an interview that made himself *look* guilty. He may have once been brave, but he doesn't seem all that bright.
Man, the stuff we were issued in Germany looks ancient compared to the American one.
No nomex, just cotton; eye-pro like your old ones (but without tinted lenses); no Kevlar helmet, either leather ones that look like the what the soviets war in WW2, or the interior of your helmet without the exterior,;no tanker holsters or anything like that and no tanker boots.And I left in January 2019! I don't even want to think about how much money I spend on what should have been standard issue.
Fun fact: When I was in Dragon Company, 1/3ACR in the early-/mid-nineties, Clinton's SECDEF was cutting our budgets so fast that whenever we went out on maneuver field ops with the tanks (M1A1 Heavy) we were ordered to leave our NOMEX coveralls back in the rear.
Why? Because they wear out *fast* and tear easily thus needing replacement before gunnery or real-world deployment.
Since the squadron was pretty much broke for anything outside of fuel and critical parts we wore our OD green cotton mechanics coveralls instead as replacing those was "cheaper" than replacing a NOMEX coverall. Everyone's mechanics coveralls were frayed and had holes in them from checking the battery acid levels where a small drop of battery acid would just eat a hole through them.
Even when we were road marching to gunnery at the Dona Ana Range we were in mechanics coveralls instead of NOMEX, which were kept in our duffle bags stowed in the rear bustle rack of the tank wrapped in a "taco" made from our tank's tarp. The only time we wore NOMEX was during actual gunnery.
Also, the cooling vests didn't work unless the NBC system was running. Running the NBC system required the tank to be put into what's called "TAC IDLE" which keeps the engine revs up when in (N)eutral on the t-bar, usually whenever you're on the defense in a firing position because the first thing the enemy likes to do is "slime" you with gas/chemical/bio rounds.
Running the engine in TAC IDLE burns a lot of fuel, resulting in more money having to be spent on fuel so we were ordered to *never* run the tank in TAC IDLE unless conducting a tank gunnery exercise in full MOPP-4 and even then most tank commanders left it off to conserve fuel.
You see, the big problem was that in the desert the NBC system's filters tend to get clogged up so that when you turned it on, they would quickly heat up and catch fire and next thing you know, black smoke is pouring out of the NBC hoses inside the tank.
And guess what is the one item on the tank that 19K are *not* authorized to mess with even to conduct detailed PMCS on? That's right - the NBC system.
Only the tank mechanics could mess with it, which they never did.
Friend of mine died this way out at NTC. We tried to get him out but the tank was shut down and we had to manually traverse the turret to get it over the back deck so we could access his driver's position (he had the hatch closed of course) and well, that's not a fast thing to do. I was one month out of 19K OSUT training at Ft. Knox.
Needless to say, that while the tank itself was issued those vests we tended to leave them in the platoon CONEX in the motorpool because at Ft. Bliss on the El Paso/Juarez border there was nothing but dust clogging up everything.
Many, many other things were bad for us U.S. tankers in the 90s thanks to the Clinton Administration but at least Bush plussed us all up in the 00s so we no longer had to go to NTC or do field maneuvers with 3-man tanks. My TC once busted his knee open on the TC's guard and we went down to a 2-man crew - me as the TC and our driver - when he was medivac'd to the rear during the middle of training exercises.
You know it's gotten real bad when a tank is crewed by just two Specialists until a replacement NCO can be sent out from the REAR-D.
During my brief military career, some 50+ years ago in US Army, I had to deal with two Majors. Looking back, I believe both were born as Majors and at no time during their lives had they ever experienced anything that could be described as "fun." I'm sure the same can't be said about the Chieftain.
Im just glad to see the Chieftain uses a 1911. Or at least has one. Also, now I was never a tanker but I did get to crew an LAV and the attire is similar, though now the USMC issues the FROG uniform instead of the CVC coveralls (at least 4-5 years ago they did) for crewmen. The new ESS or Revision goggles are plenty comfortable for use with the CVC helmet but I still had the issue of headaches with glasses since I wore prescription glasses anyway.
9:36 "The British learnt the hard way in 1982...". AF hoods have been standard issue in the British (and almost every Commonwealth) navy since 1912, although they were only worn by some stations until the mid 1930's when they became standard for all hands while at action stations. What the RN forgot in the late 1970's and which came back to bite them in '82 was introducing synthetics to other parts of the uniform. Following 82 they switched very quickly to anti-flash flame retardant material on *everything*. Previously, the flash hoods were either wool based or a wool-silk mix.
Very good info, I'd assume the casualties would have been even more significant had the RN not been wearing AF hoods.
@@G1NZOU Not much different for the Falklands. Flash hoods are literally only there to protect against the flash of an explosion. Once the ship is burning they make little difference and almost every ship that was hit burned in that war.
I have a recollection that before the Falklands War it was common to write your position (C.O. P.W.O W.E.E.O etc) on the forehead of the anti-flash hoods in black marking pen. This practice was banned, in the RAN at least as a result of the ‘lessons learnt’ as the black ink transmitted the flash heat and personnel exposed to flash burns ended up with the lettering burnt into their forehead. Helmets that would have stopped this were not worn below decks.
Here's video of the crew of HMS Rodney wearing anti-flash gear while bombarding German held Alderney ua-cam.com/video/rsaZWmaLH7Qi/v-deo.htmln late WW2
The motor racing industry is always at the forefront of fire protection for racing drivers. I know that engineers working within F1 and probably other elite motor racing were involved with designing of new military vehicles for high IED threat environment. I wonder if they and the military used similar fire protection or even use each others knowledge. Of course the aviation industry has always had fire protection in mind so it's not like there's any shortage of experts. But military being what it is things move rather slowly at times and quite often crossing over of knowledge and experience is always held back by one guy knowing better than the other guy. Equipment for military personnel does seem to be improving.
Are there any differences in what is worn/used between a tank crewman and a Bradley crewman? Also, what's the name of the holster you showed off?
I'm putting together an airsoft loadout representing a dismounted Bradley crewman in the late 80s, right after the Bradley entered service, and finding information has been extremely difficult. I thought it was akin to a regular infantryman except for a CVC helmet and a chest holster, but I think based on this video I am very wrong.
If you ever had to go on mission outside of your vehicle, did you just use your pistol or were you given a rifle? Also, did you use a vest or anything like that or just a pistol/combat belt?
They had rifles anyway, at least his particular unit did. Check out the "Chieftain chats Abrams" video, those guys were festooned with a truly ridiculous amount of guns.
You can get the Bianchi UM84 or M12 holster on eBay as well as the shoulder harness for it.
@@catfish552 The funniest part of the video was "Sign for your bayonets" I can only assume he looked at the supply guy like "You're fucking with me right?"
No you are not off. Only the TC, gunner and driver would wear the nomex CVC uniform and helmet. The dismount infantrymen or scouts in the back would wear the standard BDU uniform and LBE of the time. Pretty sure that they would also be issued the Kevlar K-pot helmet and M17 or M40 protective mask. The dismount leader may have had a CVC to communicate with the TC for situational awareness and orders, but would change to the K-pot on dismount, The CVC helmet just was not suited for infantry use. Could not hear, and zero ballistic or fragmentation protection using the fiberglass shell of that time. The kevlar shell came out in limited fielding in 89 or so. Remember, the Bradley was a "battle taxi" for the dismounts, so a uniform more suitable for an infantry made more sense. No shoulder holsters as only the TC and gunner would be issued a pistol. I was an officer in the 7th U.S. CAV, 8th ID from 87 to 91.
Also, for both the Tank and Bradley crewman, when you got out of the vehicle, the CVC helmet stayed in the vehicle and you wore a K-pot and 1970's ALICE LBE and the M25 Tanker's protective mask along with the CVC coveralls. When you plugged in the quick-disconnect in the motor pool or after you off-loaded from the rail cars the next time you would unplug the CVC helmet was after you parked back in the motor pool at the end of the exercise. Any little bit of dirt in the connection would cause problems so you would never unplug it in the field. Many people would put 100 mph tape or electrical tape over the connection to keep it from coming apart. Also in most units in the 80s, the CVC coveralls and tankers jacket were only worn during gunnery to reduce wear and tear since these were organization clothing items and remained with the unit. During field exercises, the BDU uniform or mechanic's coveralls were worn.
Airforce recruiters should start mentioning they get more pockets than everyone else
How I wish we had such personal equipment when I was a tanker in the first half of the 1960's. All of our stuff was identical a WW2 infantryman, indeed much of it was date stamped (as was all of our rations) in the 1940's. Tanker helmets? Never, we were required to wear the infantry steel pot with the old fashioned radio headsets underneath (painful). Most just refused to wear it unless directly ordered to do so (until that clueless officer was out of sight.) we could get away with just wearing the light helmet liner and most higher ups pretended not to notice. For the most part we just wore the much hated "Patten Cap", hated because it was not an issue item and we had to buy it, and hated because before long it had to be replaced due to black grease and oil stains in addition to deforning from having to wear the radio headset over it. we would have loved to have your gear, and ideally in black to hide the grease and oil stains which set us back to the PX to buy more "Good Luck" fatigues. (remember in the 60's a PFC made about $100 a month) The only item that was familiar was your first pair of goggles, identical to ours.
Historical note, your Cav hats were (until 1941) general issue to the whole army in the "Montana Peak' style (think WW1 doughboy or modern "Drill Sargent"). The color was the same for all, O.D. Branch cords were as you pointed out, Company Grade and field grade officers wore black and gold cords, general officers , gold. this tradition was continued after 1941 with the piping on the overseas cap (discontinued with the introduction of the green class A uniform.
Love your videos!
I just bought Can Openers (Merry Christmas), it had sat in my Amazon Wish List which I had forgotten so I advanced it to the cart for my enjoyment and education when it arrives.
The Abrams chemical/biological filter system is for the crew the event of a CBRN attack. The cooling vest is part of that system. It is designed as an overpressure system, meaning it's only supposed to be running for short periods or when the hatches are closed and the vehicle is properly over-pressurized. Crews tend to use the vest or the NBC system to cool their trousers and run it too long and with hatches open which causes the filters to overheat, melt and eventually catch fire. Chemical filters melting and on fire is really bad for the respiratory system, not to mention the tank. So, the cooling vest or "chicken vest" isn't issued out much anymore.
I was a FIST platoon leader/FSO in a cav scout squadron and we called the backs of our hats the "I love me" section because we put our qualification badges and former unit insignia there. I had my cannons, the badge of the artillery unit I deployed with (2/116 FA), and the cav unit's badge (1/153 CAV). I've worn it more since I've gotten out mostly because if I'm going to spend $200 on a hat I'm wearing the damn hat.
Since military uniforms and historical fashion is a hobby of mine I did a little research on the Stetson. The hat made by Stetson is a wide brimmed fedora style hat that was made popular in the 1950s because of John Ford westerns. LTC Stockton, commander of 3/17 CAV during Vietnam, is credited with introducing the Stetson into the Calvary and the reason he chose it was (I'm not sure how true this is) that he was a huge fan of John Ford westerns and it resembled the hat that was issued in the mid-1870s.
Yes we love our Stetsons but deep down we all wanna wear that peaked visor cap cocked to one side like a G.
In regards to eyewear that doesn't dig into your head under a CVC, the ESS Suppressor frames are a life saver. The arms are thinner as they're designed for wear with hearing protection, and as such work great with CVCs for you tankers and Brad crews as well as headsets for gun truck crews.
Pretty much identical to our uk fire service flash hood! Cool to see
Black beret is also a staple of armoured units in Canada. I heard two stories, one that it was something earned because of a gift from French women and the second story is because engine grease and the like tends to show less on a black beret.
:EDIT: I also fired off a message to your Chieftain facebook page. :EDIT:
Served in Kirchgons, Germany with 32nd Armor, I wore the field liner inside my nomex. Rolling out in the Autobahn next to my TC on a cold February in the wee hours of the morning. HEATER was broke. Froze my Ass off. Gunner got hypothermia. TC could careless as he was from Seattle. I came from the Philippines and Immigrated to southern cali. After the roadmarch. Went straight to the PX and bought Matterhorns Gortex boots. Eventually bought matterhorns tanker boots later. I also bought gortex socks as it came in handy when you go to the wash rack. Hated those CVC. I had a large noggin and was issued a medium. Lol. VICTORY OR DEATH!!! DELTA 2/32 ARMOR. "DESPERADOS".
wearing body armor inside a 70 ton tank seems to be a bit much
15:45 I’m not sure if the Chieftain or any other tanker will see this, but in UK rail, you have to give continuous confirmation of a live link when someone is talking a train backwards in to a position where the driver cannot see where the train is going. That is required to be done by either using a radio that injects beeps in the absence of speech, or by verbally confirming the instruction to proceed over and over.
This seems like a safety technique that could usefully be applied to tanks if (as the chieftain suggests) comms can be lost during reversing.
If in a motor pool or the like, we're supposed to use people on the ground, front and rear, and hand signals to the driver. It's a little impractical to have folks on the ground in combat, though.
You mentioned the 6 table or 8 table, what does that mean re tanker boots?
The tables are the gunnery qualifications for armor crews. I'm not armor so I don't know the details.
Table 8 used to be the qualification table, a series of standard engagements that you shoot with live training amp on a big gun range. A crew wasn't qualified unless they completed it together. It's a rite of passage and an important meeting for judging how good you are at your job. I guess it's table 6, now. Makes sense since tables 1-4 were usually all done at once and could be easily combined. They were important before gun stabilization and fire control computers.
Table 6 or 8, depending on which manual you’re working from, is the crew qualification table. Similar to basic rifle qualification table for dismounts. As far as earning Tanker boots; by tradition, you’re supposed to not wear your strapped boots until after you have qualified first time GO (aka Q1) on a crew qualification. Q1 is no longer listed in the manual, but the tradition is still there. In addition, personnel wearing Tanker boots and not holding a 19K MOS are risking a severe encounter with actual 19Ks, wherein their boots will likely be destroyed as a result of wearing something they have not earned. Imagine wearing jump boots and you’re not Airborne- similar concept. If you haven’t earned them, then you shouldn’t wear them, lest you face the consequences.
@@ab5olut3zero95 in the 70s and 80s, everyone, except for the younger troops, wore jump boots. Wasn't a big deal. CSMs didn't care (as long as they were always very highly polished). Retired in 92 and I still have mine.
When shooting, i had the same problem with glasses frames under ear pieces. The best glasses ive found for that are gargoyle 85's. Also, i haven't tried it, but there is a product now that is replacement ear cushions with cutouts for glasses.
Would love to get your book Chieftain if only there was a way to ship it here to Australia without costing a fortune.
Kinda fitting that this video came out as I was wracking my brains about how to paint up my Imperial Guard Armoured crews. Very helpful.
Also, I'm going to keep an eye out for your book when I've got some spending cash. I always love the way you explain and describe things.
Hidden easter/christmas? egg,
The sofa Chieftain is sitting on is made from Lindybeige cardigan
Where are you going to find enough Lindybeiges to skin for their cardigans, though?
I know I am way late to this party, but damn, this has to be the most interesting vid since I saw that army civics one you gave.
Thank you very much.
The information hasn't gone stale with age...
If you shoot gunnery in Korea, you get a different version of the tanker boot (American version) by having 4 individual straps. You also forgot to mention the spall vest (chicken vest) that we had to wear underneath our NOMEX.
19:38 when do we get to hear about the stories of Nic running around as infantry?
Only Warrents are allowed to have fun in Aviation.
Well at least you have a balaclava if you ever plan to ride a motorcycle during the winter.
That's exactly what I used to do. Found more comfortable ones by Winter Silks. Also used a neoprene ski mask (lower face only).
I only wore them when it was cold. Korea gets really cold.
When playing Locutus did you ever say "resistance is futile"?
sorry I missed this chat, but I have a question: are there height requirements (maximum) for US tank crew? I've heard the russians designed their tanks only to be used by shorter guys and had a maximum height requirement of like 5'5" or 5'6". Supposedly during the later years of the cold war, 70's-80's, they considered reducing this even further to be able to make their tanks even lower profile but decided against it after determining they didn't have enough potential recruits short enough to fill all necessary armored vehicle crew slots.
No. No height requirements.
According to the Chieftain himself, yes there is an official maximum height that you can have and he actually exceeds it technically. But apparently he knew someone that let him in anyways
I'm pretty sure the current max height for russian tankers is 5'9" so i imagine it would have been the same since the 50s or 60s
@@russianspy5307 good to know.
@@ASOIAF-Henrik if you're right around the height limit, you get measured at the end of a day. Your body will be a half inch shorter just from natural compression.
Or, if you're just shy of a minimum, get measured first thing in the morning, for the same reason.
would love to hear the story behind that family coat of arms!
English family's do not have a coat of arms. A coat of arms is granted to a specific in individual and is passed down father to eldest son like any other personal property. Other sons and daughter may apply for a slightly different version of the fathers arms but the original arms remain the sole property of the father to son line.
I do believe the arms on the helmet are those of a army unit.
@@memikell Slightly different rules in Ireland i believe i have used ours for one or two of my RPG figures
ESS makes a set of eye pro called the Crossbow Suppressor. They've got thin frames specifically for ear muff style ear pro. I even got prescription inserts for it.
Also, the noise cancelling feature in the CVC takes a rechargeable battery. Plugging the CVC into the vehicle keeps that battery charged. When I was a Stryker crew member (11B), I had to buy my own rechargeable battery.
The straps on tankers boots come from the 1930s,when the Army switched from horses to tanks,officers wore hand made riding boots, when a hatch or service plate fell and broke their foot,the boot would be cut off, so they wore boots that strapped on and could be slipped off,saving the officer money.
I have my dads old cvc helmet, not sure exactly why he had it, he was a cook in desert storm
@NLE Floppa I did ask and I dont think he remembered, had a name that isn't his on it so probably a trade, but he was in armor after desert storm wrapped up so he maybe got it there, though the name still confounds me
For the eyepro- there are a couple options out there that are more of a glasses form factor but have either no temple pieces or extremely short ones and are primarily held on by a strap. The Smith Optics Boogie, Revision Exoshield, and Wiley X SG-1come to mind.
The service I don't think should be wearing camouflage in general is Navy. You're on a ship! In general quarters, the enemy isn't going to spot the ship because of what the crew are wearing. On the other hand, if a sailor goes in the water, shouldn't they be wearing something bright and easy to spot? Not necessarily blaze orange, but something other than the color of the sea? Can someone explain why the Navy camouflages ordinary crew?
The theory is that it keeps the uniform looking good for longer. There are plenty of things on a ship which leak or use oil and grease, and it will inevitably splash, drip, or get brushed onto a uniform. If the uniform is camouflaged, there's a good chance that the stains will not be as noticeable.
@@TheChieftainsHatch - Thanks for the reply. I'm sure other's found that informative. I would think that brown would be a better color than blue, if that was the idea. Now that you mention it, my Navy girlfriend, a first class petty officer on the intercom track (radars and internal communication), would often come home in tan coveralls.
I remember my father brought home a lot of blue shirts with his name on them then he retired from the Navy in 1971, and the camos I have seen for Navy are usually blue. So it seemed to me that they were focused on following Navy tradition, i.e., the traditional "bluejackets." But in my father's day, his solid blue shirts would show every speck of dirt and grease he came across, so some kind of pattern is a good idea, as you said. In fact, the WWII Navy enlisted uniform of blue shirt and white hat was probably not the best choice.
The FREE system comes with Fire Resistant t-shirt and undergarments. Both of which are actually fairly comfy, even in the field.
We were issued them when we went through RFI before a no-notice deployment to germany back in 2022.
It’s a big ask, but would your care to tell a tale or two about your experiences in services? (Irish & US)....and the tale of the family crest?
All of your videos are interesting and informative. It's great that you're bringing all of your knowledge and experience to explain such things to us. We need more scholar-warriors. You gave a lecture and at it you asked: "What were the two greatest problems facing the United States at the start of World War Two?" Brilliant question. A recognition of basic geographical facts. You're a very well rounded man.
Nice change of pace, very informative and insightful!
In germany the beret for tank units are black but their “Waffenfarbe” (color of arms) is pink
23:57 Never you were a Trekkie!
VERY happy to learn that the new CDATS have "Flash Protection" for their face and heads. Witnessed a few problems in the 1/1 CAV and 1/11 ACR in my day where these items could have prevented some bad injuries. Good Vid and info as always, and a Very Merry Christmas to you Chieftain; as well as everyone else on this page!
Not a Tanker, but was a Firefighter, the hood you should it what we called a Nomax hood firefighters has had them for years.
The new flash hoods look like Nomex PBI Gold hoods we used to use in the Fire Department before converting to ones that filter out carcinogens. I bet they're made to NFPA standards.
Anyway, great video Chieftain and nice 1911 in the tanker holster. You need a tanker M1 Garand to go with it! 😁
Just found your site, I was in the British household cavalry on chieftain tanks.
Welcome aboard.
Flyer's bag? Bag, Flyer's Helmet DLA 100-89-f-EC96-8415-00-782-2989. I had to carry one while I was at Air Defense OBS, and I hated it. When I got to my unit, I got a nice metal briefcase painted dull grey.