Head & Eye Tracking tested on Large Displays with the Tobii Eye Tracker 5 in MSFS
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2024
- I answer a FAQ on the Tobii Eye Tracker 5. Is it any good when used on large monitors or TV's?
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I use the Tobii while sitting on a couch in front of a 65” TV. The TV is 1.70m from my face, and the tracker is on a tripod on an ottoman 80-90 cm from my face. I positioned the eye tracker on the tripod so that when I look towards the TV, the tracker appears a little below the TV screen and I see the brightness of the tracker’s IR lights, that’s how you know it’s looking right at your eyes.
Tip: it took me a while to realize that the calibration doesn’t work when your TV is in high DPI mode/display scaling, at least when I did it. It works flawlessly after setting it up.
Great to know that it is possible to have the tobii tracker positioned closer than the monitor distance.
I have had the Tobii 5 for almost a year now, and use it with a 49" ultrawide monitor without any issues. It tracks my eyes from corner to corner as in your video. I turn off eye-tracking when in turbulence and trying to read the instruments, and when doing all the fiddly parts of an airliner startup.
Since I can't do VR maybe this Tobii Tracker 5 is the answer for me. thank you Mark
Thanks for the great video. I have the Tobii 5 and use it with a 55 inch oled. I have 3d printed a stand so I can put it where I need it to be in relation to my rig.
Thanks Mark. I've been trying to get that answered as far as the size of the monitor. You got a 48 inch. I have replaced my three 27 inch with a 45 inch curved screen. I love the 45 inch screen more than straining the eyes on the smaller screens. Tobii gave me the impression that there is a limitation on monitor size. But you have demonstrated that with your 48 inch. Thank you so much. I will now get ready to purchase the Tobii.
Thanks for the great video! I would love to see and learn a bit more about placement of the Toobi and your monitor. Monitor height, maybe a couple details on that setup. Regardless, I ordered one. Looking forward to comparing it to the TrackIR.
I have a older one that you attach to your headset and it has the 3 led lights and then you use a old playstation camera. It works good. But it always has its limitations. I am amazed with how many games use head tracking. Some that are first person shooters. Very interesting. Maybe at Christmas I will pick one up.
Hey Mark....thanks for the video. Just purchased using your link :)
Awesome, thank you!
Thanks for this video. I am considering going from primarily VR flying and sim racing to a large tv/monitor (48” or 55”) with head tracking for the increased visual clarity of a monitor, easier than triple monitors to run, less eye strain than VR, and ability to interact with my peripherals and this helped me see how it can work very well without the head equipment of the track ir device.
There are much cheaper/free options you can try to just see if you like the technology before buying a big boy eye tracker.
Software like FaceTrackNoIR is free and lets you use your cellphone's camera to track your face. It's not as accurate as an IR tracker (which are like $75-100~) or the Tobii ($250~) and has issues when your face is in shadow but, you know, it is also free.
Thanks good informative video, I use the tobii on an ultra wide 34" now and just going to order a 45" and wanted to know how it will work.
I have the trackir5 with 32 inch 4k uhd monitor LG. It is close to VR experience. I use a headset to attach the track clip pro. My old 7 years pc ryzen 1800x asus 1080ti runs fs2020 at high settings at 45-59fps. Very smooth and great visual quality. My vr oled headset 2880x 1600 at 90 hz is good but my pc can run it only at 23fps at medium setting with texture high. I have improve recently the performance by simply installing a wifi 6e adapter bluetooth 5.3 and a psu 1200w gx-1200 seasonic. The pc is very stable with the blower edition 1080ti gpu at 65C and 98% and the cpu is below 50C at 26% usage maximum.
Excellent review. Display size is something I'm also concerned about as very few playing MSFS have screens as small as 27-30". Nowadays most serious simmers will go for 34-49" screens (usually ultrawide) or even larger. Another concern is the mounting position. Having a Honeycomb Alpha in front of me, I usually mount on top a tablet to use as a secondary monitor. This effectively covers the direct line of sight between eyes/head and Tobii. I'd very much like to mount it on the top of the screen if possible, but I read it's not doable... if this is true, it's a true shame.
Just bought one and tried it on my 48inch OLED. Initial thoughts are that head tracking works fine, albeit without the 'curves' of the TrackIR. Tobii REALLY need to add that. Eye tracking not so good with my thin rectangular titanium frame glasses. I find that looking centre screen the lower part of the glasses frame obscures the tracker bar. I obviously need to experiment further with distance and settings but I would say that with the addition of sensitivity curves it would be a great replacement for TrackIR and not needing a track clip is a big advantage especially in summer. Eye tracking? Maybe on smaller screens, not sure on larger ones. EDIT: May need to get some large round glasses for sim flying to help the eye tracking.
If you can try and raise the Tobii up slightly. I wear glasses and no problem.
@@SimHangerFS It can't go higher without obscuring the display but I could make a custom angled bracket. I think your glasses have a taller frame.
@@ColinDyckes
I've found that blocking an inch of the screen at the bottom doesn't matter at all in Flight Simulator. I suppose there are some games in which that would be a deal breaker, but I need to position it that way in MFS in order to get a good line of sight over the Air Manager screen that sits atop the Alpha yoke, and it's quite satisfactory.
@@Buddy308 I am contemplating doing the same. Problem is with it obscuring the task bar when not in MSFS fullscreen, especially on Win11. I'm going to try extending it forward from the screen and angling up via a custom mount.
@@ColinDyckes
I have it on 3D-printed stands that I ordered on eBay. It’s extremely easy to simply lay it aside when I’m not using it in MSFS.
I’m using the Tobii 5 with triple 43” Hisense TV’s flawless
Been using trackIR 5 for 10 years now and although i do like it i also loathe it especially when looking above or hard right/left the camera always losses connection with the LED's. Been thinking about getting the Tobii eye tracker 5 for a while now thanks to marks review (i have a samsung 49" super ultra wide monitor) im thinking very hard about upgrading to Tobii's eye tracker 5. Thanks mark 😊
I have track ir5 and never lose connection. The key is to set correctly the track cliip pro and not have a backlit in the back that cause issues to track the light. Then i associate the centering to a mouse button to assogn the view wanted in fs2020. I am very satisfied with the track ir. The clip pro get better reault that the normal clip, which is more basic. I recommend the clip pro and no window in the back. Window on the side is ok. But reduce the backlight is mandatory.
@@CC-gt3ro Your comments address about 80% of the complaints I see about Trackir and I have to say after using for over12 years it comes down to how people set it up. I have helped four other guys set their's up properly when they hadn't even done much work with the tuning function. I am willing to bet many don't even know the impact of the smoothness and speed functions in the tuning. I have the Tobi as well as the Trackir and as said in the review it is a personal preference. I believe the Track ir I have performs more smoothly with more range especially head turning to the back of the AC and also the ability to pause with TiR wasn't available back when I bought the Tobi which BTW is considerably more expensive than than TiR. You pay the price and make your choice on systems however my point about inability to tune TiR stands. Another point with my large screen I sit 1200mm away and have no issue seeing it and the second 27"screen (displaying the AC systems) alongside at that distance.
@kevinbarrett1362. If you lose connection with the IR sensor (Little box that sits on your Monitor, then your setup and positioning is not correct, please look at moving the sensor. As i have a 49" monitor wall mounted if i position the sensor in the recommended position (Top/Centre of monitor) i lose connection looking up and down, simply repositioning the sensor to be mounted on my desk Lower and nearer and to the left) i can look everywhere in a MSFS A320/A330/737 cockpit, or My Python/courier/Cutter in Elite Dangerous.
9:27 if you can see the eyetracking does not work at all because it is only for screens up to 30" and the software centers the max view from 30" to the center of your 48". Normally - when you move your eyes to the left or right border of your screen - the picture should move completely...so you can look around the whole cockpit like in VR but thats not working with screens larger then 30". Very sad and I hope for Eye Tracker 6 which can use bigger screens.
Thank you for mentioning that the range of distance from the display can be up to .9 meter. My question would be what is the optimal angle from the tracking bar to the level of your eyes? In other words, can the tracking bar be positioned either too low or too high?
Requires line of sight
Great video.
Curious how do u think head tracking would work with the Yawll chair?
I wouldn’t recommend it for this type of movement.
So how far can you move away from the monitor? Thinking using it on a tv further away, maybe 2 or 3 meters. On a 75". Light is usually not a problem. What you think?
I bought the tobii eye tracker 5, but after about 2 weeks of using it Im not sure its for me. On one hand it makes simply looking side to side, like when during taxi, but in the cockpit I find it to be fairly frustrating as it moves around and makes manipulating the knobs etc pretty difficult. I assigned a flight stick button to turn off/on at will, as well as to reset the position. That was something else that was distracting, it needed reset quite often. I fly mainly the fenix a320, and I also use an ultra wide monitor. Also during descent and landing it was a bit disorienting that every time I glanced down to my PFD, it would move to follow me, so when I glanced back up my visual alignment of the runway would be moving. I slowed the reaction time in settings etc, but just couldnt seem to find that sweet spot.
So for me it seems that I prefer to have multiple camera views setup on flight stick button.
Fair enough, try head tracking only, turn eye tracking to 0 and increase centre percentage to 40%. This might be helpful.
Does the Asus have a light logo on the bottom of the screen? Does that interfere with the install?
Dankie oom
Thanks for the very informative video. I was toying with the idea of using a large monitor and wondered about the Tobii working with it. Looks like now worries. I did have one question, when I use the Toggle Head Tracking OFF the view always returns to the pilot view. I was wondering if you know of a way to Toggle Head Tracking OFF but retain the current view. For example if you are focused on the GPS and want to enter information it would be nice to turn off head tracking, make your changes and then turn it back on. I remember this was the way TrakIR 5 off function worked.
Thanks,
Steve
Hi, I don’t know if you can alter the ‘’return to center’’ function
@@SimHangerFS Thanks for getting back to me. I'll drop a line to the Tobii support team to see if they have an idea how to accomplish this.
I use my living room tv as my monitor and and sat about 4m away. So i have this question;
If i got an extension cable for the eye tracker could i place this on my coffee table instead of under my tv to achieve to required distance, would it function correctly?
Thank you for any suggestions.
I don’t know to be honest…4m might be a bit of a stretch. Tobii do have a separate mount, a tripod bracket, but I haven’t tried it out. gaming.tobii.com/products/accessories/ The issue may be syncing your view with your head movement and accuracy etc.
Thanks a really useful review. Plus the user comments here….. a much cheaper alternate to VR headsets….. Laurie. NZ. 😅😅😅
I have a question about the eye tracking. When you turn your head like say you are on a left downwind and you turn your head to look over at the runway how do you still see the screen? When your head is turned to the left. Hope you understand what I'm asking, thank you for your help.
You set the degree of view change to be more than your head movement. So when turned 45 degrees you view changes by 90 degree etc. this is fully configurable.
seeing people say they have no trouble with it using ultrawides, yet for me with my 49" G9 it gets extremely jittery towards the edge of the screen. I didn't know about the monitor limit when I first got it since I never had issues with TrackIR, I had expected it to be the same. I still use it and enjoy it, but its kind of irritating.
See this. It is a solution to your issue. ua-cam.com/video/Ch4emmHIdik/v-deo.htmlsi=mlw_L5hDfxT7XUYq
Mark sitting back comfortably as in cruise my eye distance to my 34"
large screen is approx 28" and about 8 " above the bottom of the screen, would Tobi eye tracker work OK?
Yes that is approx 0.71 meter. Should be fine.
Always temped to invest into a Tobii, and get to their webpage, and then reality (Price) hits me in the face and wakes me up!!! Even with their good generous discount currently at time of your video and this reply, at £223, it is still an eye shattering price, when compared to the TrackIR. Just take a look at the other item you 'Mentioned' in this video, the Next Level Racing 'Haptic' Seat......All that product, what it does, what it cost to build, software and all, and it is only £6 more than the Tobii !!!!
Come on Tobii, you have a great product, but i do get the feeling that 'LESS IS MORE' (It is in my case). That is less cost more sales??? Look at the TrackIR cost for comparison (Can be bought NEW, if you shop around, for HALF Tobii price
Doesn't the Honeycomb Alpha block the Tobi camera? It looks like it in your set up but I'm guessing not. That is one of my concerns
The Tobii is slightly lower than the alpha by a small margin. The IR sensors are either side so no issue. The eye tracking camera has a 40 deg FOV…so no problem. That is the beauty of the TET5
Thanks Mark@@SimHangerFS . Good to know as thinking of switching from the TrackIR 5
Tobii is good but I've found that Trackir 5 is better and more consistent, I have both and I now only use my Tobii as a windows hello camera.
Would the eye tracker be a good alternative to triple screen.
Yes in my opinion, but recommend large screen.
MArk Ive had my TrackIR4 unit for perhaps 18 years but never been a fan of wearing a cap, especially in the warmer weather. Sunlight also puts me off even considering using the sim during the day as the room is south facing and bright. I do not want to close the curtains. Considering the Tobii, especially as its on discount and the TIR doesnt really appear to be supported much anymore. Ive not seen a software update in a decade. Do you know what resolution (dpi) the Tobii runs at compared to TiR? Ive just read it is slightly less responsive compared
Resolution wise I think they are much the same.
Mark I was so close to ordering until I read your comments below in which you mentioned possible import taxes. Whilst I think you said you personally did not have to pay anything things here in Northern Ireland can get a little complex with duties due to the Northern Ireland Protocol which basically places a trade border between mainland UK and us. Some companies refuse to ship here due to huge amounts of paperwork and costs. I did see the Tobii 5 on Amazon UK which also has 20% discount and although its £299 normally it comes down to about £245 which is close to the plus 8% tax you estimated. I have been looking at the flex mount which is to be fixed under the monitor but my LG 48" screen only has a few millimeters of space between the bottom of the tiny bezel and the central part of the legs which extend out to the front. There is also a headphone jack (I dont use) and the screen controls are there too if your remote fails to work. I see the flex mount can have the front magnetic plate angled up or down so I am wondering if it can actually be stuck upside down? Thinking could attach it to the soundbar or similar in front of my display? Ive TrackIR so Id need to be sure changing systems would work@@SimHangerFS
@@chrisibbotson6367 I actually don’t use the mount, but the magnetic strip that also comes with it, which I stick onto the front bezel and attach the Tobii that way. The eye tracking has an FOV of circa 40 deg.
Yes I seen the other attachments but my monitor has basically no bezel to all 4 sides, its perhaops only 2mm of a frame. There is literally nothing to attach it too except onto the actual glass@@SimHangerFS
I hope I didn't miss it.... Can you mount it upside down on top of the monitor? I couldn't put it on the bottom.
I am not sure, would depend on the size of the monitor. But this may solve your problem a new mount option ua-cam.com/video/Ch4emmHIdik/v-deo.htmlsi=H4t35eXH2JAZa257
This might be a dumb question, but if you look to the edge of your monitor, just tilting your head, you have to keep your eyes towards the center of the screen? So if you move your head to the left, your eyes have to go to the right?
You can set up the tracker so either eye or head tracker has dominance. In your question you are setting up a deliberate conflict and tracking will go either left or right to a lesser or greater degree depending on settings. If eyes have dominance then with your head turned left the screen will move right if you look that way.
I generally have my left/right viewing dictated by head movement but when my head turn reaches a certain point so, for example, I am effectively looking out the left window I can glance left and then the picture moves further left to allow me to look behind without moving my head further. I move my gaze back to be looking out of left window again and then move head to centre view. For looking up and down priority is set so a glance shows me instruments.
Experimentation is your friend and the settings linked in this video a great start.
Your eyes don’t need to remain centre. Remember my image (which is superimposed on screen) is the reverse of what you see on the monitor.
Good morning, I have Samsung curve 49” monitor. Someone declares that Tobii with large monitor works for al the games except MSFS. it is blocked by Microsoft for resolution 32:9.
Not true and this video proves it ua-cam.com/video/Ch4emmHIdik/v-deo.htmlsi=DGfDwc-I16XtJtvu
Is it a problem with curve monitor ? I have a Samsung G9 49” …
Works perfectly on curved monitors. I previously used it on a 34’’ curved 2K monitor.
Mark, how does the Tobii compare with Track IR 5 ?
I have both and used TrackIR for many years. My preference is the Tobii. I’ve sold off my TIR5
I took the plunge to upgrade from TrackerIR to Tobii Eyetracker 5 about a year ago. The Tobii Tracker hardware is “next level“ in comparison. It’s terrific. Where the Tobii Eye Rracker falls down is in the software. The TrackerIR software is much better. The Tobii software provides for a limited number of settings, they are all linear with no ability to control the shape of the response, and the critical pitch and yaw in adjustments are just one slider. That said, the aspect I have struggled with the most, is the setting for the position in the cockpit, when returning from pausing the Eye Tracker. This position needs to be manually set, and what you see when you unpause is, in my experience, completely different from what set; so you have to pay the the little game of trying to guess what the outcome will be. Mark, you have probably mastered this, perhaps you could consider providing a more advanced video on sensitivities, and setting the unpause position, that would be extremely helpful as Tobii Eye Tracker 5 is a truly “game changing” product. 👍
I have trackir5 and it wotks very well. Just one thing, get the track clip pro with the active led and don’t put a window in your back, the light would interfere with the tracking. If you reduce the backlight in your room the clip pro is really giving real close VR experience.
Does your yoke not get in the way of tracking?
No, as demonstrated, the FOV of the camera is approx 40deg 👍
I've watched your videos on VR kit with great interest but I've never fancied having a brick strapped to my face to do so! (As well as the loss of visibility to see my panel switches and other controls.) I've tried headtracking using opentrack and a videocam but it's a cludge and doesn't work well so the Tobii Eye Tracker really appeals. I'll be ordering one in the next week.
One thing that needs clarifying: when I order it from Tobii, presumably it will be shipped from Sweden. So what import duties and VAT charges do I need to bear in mind in addition to the discounted price. I'm sure others will want to know too!
The price includes VAT. Duties vary depending on value, up to 8%.
@@SimHangerFS Thanks for responding! I'll go ahead with my order.
@@chrisvowell2890 Don’t hold me to this, but I ordered one for a giveaway some 8 months ago and I didn’t get charged any duty or additional costs…maybe I was lucky, never sure following Brexit with changing regulations!
Curious if it works on XPlane :)
The answer is yes, both 12 and XP12
How will this work with someone like me? I have a lazy eye... how's it gonna know what eye to track??
I’m not sure. You could turn off eye tracking and just use the head tracking as I do for small aircraft.
@@SimHangerFS I'll definitely be checking this out
@@SimHangerFS Doesn't it have an option to have it track either left or right eye with the default being "both?"
Can you do a demonstration of how far away you are from monitor, how far away you can go and still work.
Max is approx 90 cm in my experience
@@SimHangerFS thank you, I’m strongly considering it. I will have to be creative though with the chair. Lol
So basically arms length away from you is where your tv/monitor needs to be? Seems close
One more question for you if u don’t mind. How does one click on switches in the cockpit? Does the cursor follow your eyes, or do you have to move with the mouse? Could you please explain this for me? Thank you so much
@@bdog7262 use the mouse to click switches or config to peripheral
I’m hoping u can help me with this. I ordered the tobii, now I can’t figure out how to get DCS full screen on tv. I’m hoping this is possible otherwise this is pointless
Alt enter
@@SimHangerFS no that doesn’t do anything 😞
I just subscribed to your channel for trying to help me. Thank you
@@bdog7262 the Tobii doesn't affect your screen size or resolution. The problem should be elsewhere.
@@SimHangerFS yeah I don’t even have the tobii yet. I have been using vr for the past couple years and wanted to see DCS full screen but I can’t. It’s full screen vertically but horizontally it’s centered on the screen with a black bar on each side. I’m old school from Atari times🤦🏻♂️
Time to get rid of my TrackIR.
I’m assuming this won’t work on Xbox series X with a 60 inch tv and sitting 5 feet away in a chair.
Not Xbox compatible unfortunately
I bought the Tobi and immediately wanted to cancel as I discovered it is incompatible with my 48-inch monitor, but the order shipped in record time through Amazon. After 3 hours of use, the decision became clear to return it. Tracking was never natural, and you feel dizzy and need time to get used to it. The overhead of using it is way more than the advantage it brings.
The return could have been smoother. They ask you to ship the product and pay for shipment and restocking. I am sure they have a high return rate.
I believe most people who speak highly about the Tobi got their units free as a promotion. As a technology unit, it looks cool, but the use does not feel natural or valuable, at least for me. Imagine having coffee, and the tracking is on. The tracking should be off most of the time and turned on as needed. This may work.
xbox?
Tobii is not Xbox compatible
@@SimHangerFS thanks
Every man and their dog are pushing this Tobii eye tracker now, why as it’s been on the go for a number of years. Surely, it’s not due to the sponsorship these guys are getting. HAHA