Ethiopian M90/95 Hybrid Mannlicher Carbine
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Today we are looking at a uniquely Ethiopian carbine, a hybrid M90/95 Mannlicher. It began life as an Austrian-issue M90 carbine proofed in 1892. It served through World War One, and was probably given to Italy as war reparations in the early 1920s. Italy then sent it to East Africa, where is served in the AOI during the Italian occupation of Ethiopia. After World War Two, it was retained by Ethiopia, and at some point its stock and associated hardware (and cocking piece) were replaced with M95 pattern parts. It ended up in storage in Ethiopia until just recently imported into the US by InterOrd/Royal Tiger.
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The tree that made that rifle stock was (probably) alive in the 18th century.
@Tom Sherwood Only a dead tree is a good tree. >:D
All of this made me think of Timbersaw. lol CUT CUT CUT
A walnut tree can be 400 years old. So it could have predated Shakespeare.
A.O.I stands for Africa Orientale Italiana (Eastern Italian Territories of Africa) and it was the acronym referred to the actual territories that include Ethiopia, Eritrea and Somalia.
Stavo per scriverlo io.
I learn so much about the rest of the world in the comments of Fogotton Weapons. I really enjoy this channel
The new acronym is ESE, esé
"When 128 years old you reach, look as good, you will not!" --A wise elder
just another 28 years and you'll have AKs that are 100 years old. That's scary
I never thought of that.. that’s insane
Scary and cool !
I keep hoping that here in the UK they will become obsolete, lol. Section 58 AK would be pretty cool.
Just another quarter of a century and you’ll have AKs that are almost a century old
ALL guns should automatically get antique status when they hit 100 years old, IMO.
1:56 "...And so 't will be,
When I am gone,
This worn-out bolt
Will cycle on..."
The German word ,,Schritt" means step, like a step that you walk
That makes sense, I seem to remember the Russians doing something similar with their Mosins (might've just been trial/early production guns)
Also means crotch, too. fun fact
@@NM-wd7kx they had arshins on the m91's, but an arshin is just a yard. It is possible that they used a shag at some point though.
@@dothwalrus370 google is saying an Arshin is 28 inches, so about .77 metres.
Probably the best English word would be "pace".
Somewhere out there, there's a guy who's all like "I can't believe anyone is buying this crap."
Now as to the units of measurement.
As to a Schritt being 0.82 m. Well that makes sense, as the officer in his recon would pace off the distance to different terrain features, so when the men arrives they can be ordered the distance. That is practical in volley fire from an entire company - especially at long ranges where you can't really see what you are shooting at, but with a 100 rifles you are bound to hit something? In any case it makes the shooters feel better and might induce some reluctance in the attacking force - we are talking before mashine guns were a thing.
Now, a mile (british) is 1609 meters. A mile means thousand paces - i.e. the roman term "passus" which is a double pace - i.e. you count every time your left foot hits the ground.
2000 * 0.82 meters = 1640 meter - which close enough for practical purposes.
But do not be overly confused, as a roman mile is approx. 1480 meters - probably because the latinos were shorter people (or the roman legionare carried more weight on marches).
Now it also depends on the regiment. The Gurkhas maintains the light infantrys high cadence and has shorter steps, but more of them in a given time.
Timing is important in marches! The Star and Stripes is a slow march - I have known a lady playing piano to gym for retired persons, and the Star and Stripes was used for their march. Even the most physically challenged could keep pace.
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Since Napoleon the french infantry keeps a rather rapid pace -
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and its army (especially infantry) has a rapid cadance.
EXCEPT the Foreign Legion, that has allway had a strong German element. I once met a frenchman with excellent german (which is highly unusual) - that was due to him having been an NCO in the Foreign Legion.
An example of a German march: Alte Kammeraden.
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The Foreign Legion:
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That is why the Legion is normally la avangarde de parade. That gait would otherwise mess up the entire parade.
Now horses naturally fall into the gait of the beat of music.
Just as an aside.
Thomas Borgsmidt In a French military parade (14th of July e.g.), the foreign legion is at the END of this one. The legion pace is 88 steps by minute. Regular French army has 120 steps / minute (came from first Empire as you wrote). So, regulars are walking forward, before the legion.
The history of measure systems is an interesting one. It is important to recognize the old seemingly oddball systems had a reason to exist and were relevant at one time.
Interesting that the Russians didn't use their equivalent measure of the Schritt (the Shag) for their graduations and instead went with their equivalent of the Yard, and used the Arshin.
@@methodeetrigueur1164 Ok, main thing: You don't want the Legion to mess up the parade.
Well the army was what united the Austria-Hungaria. Neither language, ethnicity nor religion did.
Need to do an Elbonian mud test on these small arms
They already look like they have been😂
I noticed this...right on the heels of the Elbonian prototypes...
@@williamkeith8944 No, no. It is well documented. Elbonia is an ex-soviet country covered in waist-deep mud which is it's primary export.
@@Fernando-sd6xt Glorious Elbonian mud😆. It's their only export. Per the Revolutionary Unified Network of Elbonian Exports (RUNEE) ... Elbonian mud has mystical properties ... a 1001 uses ... from eradicating lice to curing the most stubborn STDs ... It even works as deodorant/birth control ... Elbonian women use it faithfully. 😆😆😀. All Praise Glorious Elbonia!
I picked up one of the M95 carbines from them. It turned out it was actually one of the first 1000 rifles produced after the death of Emperor Franz Josef of Hungary, (SN 977 with double emblem stamp) and thus I can place it being produced within the last week of November of 1916
Good lord that wood is so depressingly dehydrated
Darn good job Ian but I could not stop looking at that glorious goatee
For being 128 years old, it’s condition is actually pretty good
Really?? I've seen a lot of these over the years but never one in this shape, I would rate it poor.
It looks 128 years old
It needs oil, a lot of oil.
@Samuel Prince I know mine was used and it's still in great shape, I shoot it now and then. The gun pictured I would have no use for except maybe as a doorstop, but to each his own, there are hundreds of guns being dug up in Russia. I have a used 1864 Springfield trapdoor that's in good shape and shoots very well still.
Especially when you consider that compared to other guns that old, this one was probably used for at least a couple decades more
As Europian you Sir make so exelent gun history i just wanna cry...
I heard all of the Elbonian small arms still use sights in schritts. 🤣🤣🤣
@sman7290 schritts on the sight left side. Arshins on the right. Ammunition specs given in karats, fps and meters. No sense mixing units of measure.
@sman7290 Probably doesn't matter. In Glorious Elbonian Army, live fire training need many volunteers...they are all given heroes burials.
A fellow from Ethiopia modifies a military rifle and it's called unique and exciting. A fellow from Tennessee does the same and he's called Bubba.
thing looks like its been sitting in a pile of mud for most of the last 100 years
Beg to differ Ian, the upgrade to M95 parts was done in Austria, up to 1918.
This particular short rifle is in the Stutzen ( Musketoon) configuration ( sling swivels underneath only, bayonet lug, stacking hook).
I have a M90/95 Carbine ( Karabiner) upgraded similarly ( side slings, no Bay.lug, no stacking hook).
Italy did inspect and overhaul the Capture & ReparationsArms in the early 1920s, and a typical Italian Inspection mark ( Relief Savoia Shield) is usually found on the Receiver Ring, but is so small ( about 1/8-3/16") that it maybe missed.
Not uncommonly, only some parts have been swapped out ( bolt, etc.).
I have a Pre- Current RTI/OI import ( acquired 20years ago) M90/95 upgrade, with AOI stamp, no signs of Post 1941 Ethiopian ownership.
One must remember that these WWI booty rifles only got into Ethiopian Possession AFTER Italy's 1941 Defeat in Abyssinia by a combined British/ Indian/African Rifles/South African Force. BTW, the name "Ethiopia" replaced "Abyssinia" after WWII.
(Abyssinia derives from Byssinos, and ancient word for Cotton...the Linnaen name for Cortton is Byssina, as in Byssinosis, a lung disease in spinning factory workers ( Industrial Revolution Britain) due to the high cotton lint (dust) concentrations pre- OHS.
Doc AV
Love the way those sights work perfectly after all those years.
AOI stands for "Africa Orientale Italiana" ("Italian Eastern Africa"), which was the official Fascist government denomination for the Italian occupied territories in eastern Africa (Somalia, Ethiopia and Eritrea).
Finding a gun marked AOI is literally the equivalent of finding a gun marked "Property of the Government of Puerto Rico".
What an interesting specimen of a carbine. I love the Mannlicher rifles and carbines, they are very underappreciated in my opinion.
Ian, you mentioned chamber casting to figure out the caliber. Have you done a video on that?
The anvil on it is good
I love the firearms that you do reviews on. Either my dad had one of them or I did. Some I would give my brother's left nut for. I love being a collector but it's no fun anymore since I don't make the money I used to when I was 30. Back then I had 54 firearms which doesn't seem like a lot for serious collectors but for my financial situation it was great. I can't believe that I had one of each manufacturer of the M1 carbine and I even had a ME and ME carbine with the battery pack and the scope and light transmitter. I collected everything that ever came out for the carbine. I was really good at building them. I had 3 friends that sold ME carbine parts and they would save the good stuff for me and if I didn't need them then they would sell them to other people I still have a big wooden box of M1 carbine parts. If I had a void barrel I think I could build one. Matter of fact I'm going to go down and take a look at what's going on with all the parts. I have been so wrapped up in the AR-15 platform rifle that I have been neglecting my search for a decent K-98 and PPSH-43. I told the WW2HISTORYHUNTER that I would be doing a video on the k-98 and I still haven't found a decent one. I did one on the TT33 well the M-57 I don't want to lie. I love that cartridge. I ts so much fun to make out of 5.56 brass. I could just buy the brass but I love the satisfaction of making the brass myself. Thier is just something about making as much as you can when it comes to reloading. I wish I could make the primers and powder myself so I am creating 100% of the components to ammunition myself. When we move to Tennessee I am going to apply for all the different FFL's that exists I I can manufacturer firearms and own and operate full automatic firearms and load ammunition for sale. I'm going to go down that rabbit hole again. I can't even get a SBR in Illinois. Why did I leave Colorado. Well I'm glad I did now. I'm going back into business for myself when I move. Thanks for another great video. Happy Safe Shooting🇺🇸💪
Something about the heavily worn metal and butt stock on this rifle is really beautiful. Really just a nice rifle.
Thank you , Ian .
Headed to C&R after this! Thanks for the info!
Somehow, I get an Ethiopian version of the “Good, Bad, and the Ugly” scene, where Eli Wallach makes his own gun out of assorted revolver parts.
Very cool! I have a RTI Fucile Modello 1891 Carcano on the way. Sure hope it's in decent shape. I've been lucky with what I've ordered from them so far.
More Elbonian content please. I'm trying to get Drach on board, and someone else already got Chieftain. Who do you think should do the air wing?
Thinktwicespeakonce Bismarck “Military Aviation Visualised “ for the air wing ua-cam.com/video/AMYpcegvt50/v-deo.html
2:45 I love how you call the shrit obsolete and archaic but then convert it into obsolete and archaic feet haha.
Is it bad that "I'm forgotten weapon's Ian McCollum" has become a calming phrase for me?
Probably, given that his stock patter is, "Hi, guys, thanks for tuning in to another video on Forgottenweapons.com. I'm Ian McCollum, and..." and you will therefore almost never get to hear your calming phrase.
Yes, because I don't think he has ever said that phrase ever.
"Hi, I'm Othias, and this is (grunt) the ..."
The wood looks like it's ready to turn to dust
The time capsule element of these Ethiopian rifles is fascinating, especially when explained with the tweaks and changes.
I saw they had some 1890s but none of them had the correct bolts. I did get an 88-90 from them. unit marked to the 14 stutzen regiment and mil accept date of 90. bore wasnt too bad either.
The cartridge lifter in the magazine is has also been changed to the 1895 type, it's certainly a historical relic. I would call it a arsenal rebuild using whatever they had on hand.
The lifters were different from the 1890 to 1895? I did not know that..is the 1890 lifter similiar to that in the 88/90s?
@@Adirondneck Yes, my 1890 Carbine's lifter is one piece of steel like the 88/90's and works fine. Mine has the little trapdoor in the butt and a bayonet lug on the side. It was made in 1911 and I've owned it over 20 years. Great little shooter in the original 8x50 rim caliber.
Probably asking 1200 for that "unique" gun in NRA exilent according to RTI
5k firm!
No low balling, I know what I got!
@@theJellyjoker I'd love to buy something from them but for the condition that they're in there asking way too much and $100 for a hand select fee dude they can go shove that way up in their rectum
They are a rip off highly recommended not to buy from them. Overpriced garbage guns in terrible condition some of them need to be scrapped
used and abused but still looks workable at 128 y/o tells you about the quality....
you gotta give it to the germans! one of the best engineers in the world
That rifle has been there and done that. It is not only old, but it was not put up in storage for a lot of that time.
An M91 in original none updated configuration is rare in the US? Hum....I need to go check that old beater I have.
"well worn" barely begins to cover most of those rifles.......
What's not to enjoy when Ian nerds out.
Someone tell Ian that he should have supplies to do chamber casts AND impression rubbings (parchment + charcoal). Add some calipers too.
First a C&Rsenal episode on Dutch Mannlicher carbines, now Ian uploads a video on Ethiopian Mannlicher carbines? Today just keeps on giving.
Edit: you mean the 1891 Mosin was still chambered and had sights marked for round-nose 7.62x54R? That's astoundingly rare, even in Eastern Europe and Russia!
I keep waiting to see what else will come out of these shipments. And also, Elbonia Forever!
The Mannlicher is, in a corrupted form, called ምንሽር in Amharic, read as 'minishir'. Your videos are very informative.
Paying reparations with guns is weird now. Especially 30 year old guns. Would any county even accept 1990 guns as payment today ?
I wish this Carbine could talk. I imagine it has a pretty unique and interesting story.
woohoo lets go forgotten weapons video
I agree, these weapons from Ethiopia are very interesting.
I’d say that the dual production by Steyr and FEG had much more to do with the discordant politics of the Dual Monarchy (aka Austria-Hungary) than with concerns about redundancy or spare capacity. Basically, the Hungarian half attempted to get duplicate production of any kind of weapons systems (including having a dreadnaught built at Fiume, today’s Rijeka, rather than at the well established shipyards in Trieste and Pola which were in the Austrian half).
This duplication was both an internal insurance against the other nationalities in the Kingdom of Hungary part of Austria-Hungary, against a showdown with Vienna (which might also draw on the support of the other nationalities), and an economic subsidy/stimulus to the economy of the Kingdom of Hungary.
Hence, the duplication of arms manufacturing was one way of cementing the dual system and (especially from the Hungarian point of view) hedging against any further federalisation, which would have likely included the Czechs and various Slavs and possibly the Romanians and Bosniaks as well, thus diluting the influence of the Hungarians in such a broader power sharing scheme.
Thumbnail said "Ethiopian", but I read it as "Elbonian."
Just looking at the thumbnail I instantly thought "Yeah, that gun has spent its life in Africa"
The whole bolt is from a m.95, not just the cocking piece - look at the bolt root and the safety style. The trigger guard and follower are also from a m.95 - look at the follower style, not an m.90. So the only m.90 parts are the barreled receiver and sights.
If there was only the ammo to go with all these cool guns coming out of Ethiopia!
Depends on the caliber. PPU makes a heck of a lot of odd calibers.
Scott Kenny they sure do! PPU covers good ground for rifles, and Fiocchi does it for handguns. It’s just not bonanza level volumes 🤣
Have you tried laying newspapers on the stock and then rubbing a crayon lengthwise over that?
I remember we did something like that on old gravestones in elementary school.
The engraving may ( or may not) display on the paper.
Just a thought.
I fucking love this
Good ole’ Dirty Firdy at it again
'Rode hard and put away wet' doesn't even begin to describe the condition of that weapon...
...is it history? Yes, most certainly. The ethos reflected in that carbine is a whole other matter.
A solider would be proud to be issued a new “Mannlicher” 😂
Here're C&Rsenal's more in depth videos that Ian mentioned:
Small Arms of WWI Primer 038: Austro-Hungarian Mannlicher 1886 to 1888-90 ua-cam.com/video/jqkKG6dzAGk/v-deo.html
Small Arms of WWI Primer 039: Mannlicher 1895 ua-cam.com/video/4xeeE1E9Wwk/v-deo.html
Small Arms of WWI Primer 040: Austro-Hungarian Mannlicher Carbines ua-cam.com/video/M820hu5rg6o/v-deo.html
Lets go M90/95 nice
Nobody:
Absolutely nobody:
Ordnance Departments: STACKING RODS!!!
*ordnance
I'd love to have an 1891 Mosin Nagant.
Can you put the CR223 in your list of stuff to do. The German army is getting a new service rifles so i Like to see your opinion on it.
At this point he's going to need to be invited, there's no real chance of just asking them
@@NM-wd7kx i know also i am pretty sure that "can U do that Gun" commens are the Most spamed of all. He has his Plans and stuff but i just wannend to say it. one day maybe it will happen
In fact it's the Haenel MK (Maschinenkarabiner) 556
@@DR-on5by yes very nice waht do you thing G36 or CR223/MK556
@@Charlie-III i really don't know, but with every new rifle there are new problems that arise and need to be sorted out.
feet is just as obsolete as Schritt.
Ya done goofed on the name in the vid intro
The rifle that never stoped smoking Italians
Anyone else here from C&Rsenal's "Small Arms of WWI Primer 130: Dutch 1895 Carbines"? :)
No, but I'm headed there next!
yes.
In the Austrian Hungarian Monarchy the Hungarian Royal Army use the Mannlicher M95 in the WW1 (and under WW2 in 8X50 mm caliber)
Three variation existed in caliber in the M95 rifle: 8 x 50 mm R; 8 x 56 mm R; 7.92 × 57 mm Mauser
The question is when these Mannlicher rifles were exported to Ethiopia? WW1 or after WW1 or after WW2?
Every edge on this rifle looks heavily rounded. How much of that is wear and how much is how it was made?
I'm waiting for the day you do a video on the yugoslav m57
What is the pad behind the bolt utility ? And on the left of the bolt, is that a safety ?
After some research, I can confirm this is a safety. And the pad is a cocker/decocker.
Is it possible for you to review some hunting/ sporting rifles, especially those with special calibers or interesting actions?
Very nice Video by the way♤☆.
Can you cover the Mosin Nagant 1891 I would love to have a comparison for mine and what differences are between them. I can't find any other rifle like it.
7.62x54r.net has an excellent comparison guide.
I bet that bolt actually matches, if M95's have numbered bolts it pretty much means no matchy, at least that's what Othiaaaiais and Aaron from milsurp world said. But if it's numbered it's probably in 8x56r anyways. Either way it looks shootable.
The title image says Mnnlicher, not Mannlicher, BTW.
Don't you love the dry desert sand wear look?
To be honest that leaf sight is well designed with it's simple retention system.
Wat's the scratching on barrel at 3:23. It kinda looks like numbers.
Mmmmmnnmm. Mnnlicher. My favourite!
It's beaten, but in that carbine style... i like it.
I have always loved that Styer 95 carbine. It is ugly but it works great. Years ago, a buddy of mine had one. He complained he could never find ammo for the blasted thing and was going to make a pole lamp out of it, so I gave him an old pole lamp that I had in my shed to keep him from butchering it. Then, because I could not find ammo for it, I butchered it, sort of. I tried to keep the stock the same, other then putting a nice finish on it but I did re-barrel it into a rimed cartridge that I could purchase locally. That being the .444 Marlin. I did replace the sights with modern open sights and when I did the barrel, I cut her down to the same length as the stock and replaced that ugly stacking bar thing with a nice steel for-end cap. It made a wonderful little woods deer rifle and I took a couple white tail deer with it one year. Well I was so proud of my work that I displayed her at a gun show, and, well, another lover of that gun talked me out of it, got a nice Churchill 25-06 rifle with Burris scope in trade and for good measure he tossed in an old Smith Model 13 357 Mag. Still wish I had kept it but the 25-06 was a great gun, I took many deer and antelope with her before becoming disabled and no longer able to get out in the field to enjoy the sport.
So the Trit is basically the same as an Arshin?
Yay
"one of the things you can definitely say about most of these ethiopian rifles is that they're in relatively poor condition"
so is ethiopia
Ian's C&R license is gonna be worn to tatters because of that ethiopian cache. :p
Is the bore shot completely out does it needs to be rebarreled.
Who here remembers GunLabDotNet
Pls do the gp25
*"It's a hybrid!"(C)*
I still don't know the original of this (either "StarTrek" or, maybe, "Doctor Who"), I'm just a regular listener of SGU (Skeptic's Guide to the Universe), where it's used quite often.
I gotta stop playing video games, I have the sudden urge to get out the gun oil and clean that rifle.
I swear Ian is coördinating with Othias and May ... So you're doing an 1895 Mannlicher? I'll do different 1895 Mannlicher then.
"Used and Abused" 😂😂😂
any chance of seeinga soviet pss their cartridge sealed assassination pistol
iive only found one crappy russian video online. please ian you gotta know someone at ares or maybe rock island actually even just a talk with max would scratch this itch of mine
Mnnlicher hehe.
Yes I read the text at the bottom when the video starts :p
AOI means Africa Orientale Italiana. (Italian East Africa)
Does anyone have a lead on where to get the the Amharic marks translated on the Ethiopian rifles from Royal Tiger?
@@williamkeith8944 works if you have letter/words/numbers. But the general ?proof?/?armory? Marks are stylised and dont work in google translate.
To zero, simply pound in the appropriate nail.
How could one clean it up while preserving its worn condition? Is that even possible?
That importer mark is... unfortunate.
Were there any rifles actually rejected by Ethiopia?
Did Ian just have a Mannlicher relapse?