Looks like a fairly normal rifle until you see the spring inside the bolt handle. I love the videos that cause me to ask "what the hell?" Those are the most interesting ones. I also love that you can learn some world history from these videos.
I have learned about the existence of so many historical conflicts that I never heard about in school through Ian's videos over the last few years. I've actually been caused to further research many of these and deepened my understanding of how the world became what it is today.
@@TheKencoffee being Dutch I really appreciate the "didn't find themselves in a war" bit. Basically meant the Germans weren't that interested. Which fortunate situation held untill 1940.
Heads up, it's the Empire of Ethiopia not "Kingdom" since Ethiopia as a state was a union of different kingdoms. Menelik II was Emperor (negusa negast) and his provincial lords were all kings (negusitati). Menelik himself was only a king (of Shewa) before he took over as Emperor of all Ethiopia.
This one does not look heavily used. So the spring should be quite good, since it was never really worked an kompressed. This is hell of a lucky find, especially if one looks at all the other rifles in that stash.
@@johannesvanhoek9080 I also have two whose springs are still great. One of them I got from a friend who I know took it to the range fairly often. I don't think the springs are quite as fragile as their reputation would imply.
That’s why I’ve been collecting for 30 years. The stories they could tell. Sometimes they do. I have a Remington 1891 that they actually took possession of, that ended up in Finish hand and swapped in Westing house bolt that ended up back here.
The development and adoption of this rifle in the Netherlands would have been during the reign of king Willem the 3rd, not the 2nd, the 2nd died in 1849. Interesting video though, I always wondered what preceded the Dutch Mannlicher in Dutch service.
This rifle, very functional as it is, really serves to show the genius of the Mauser system. Extremely cool to see a very early bolt action rifle, especially in such excellent condition
Probably the rifle issued to my grandfather, when he was shipped to the Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia) to fight in the Aceh Rebellion, sometime in the 1890s. I think he was shipped there before the switch to the Dutch Mannlicher. He survived his enlistment. Retired in the Indies, only to die in a Japanese prison camp, in WWII.
My grandfather served 12 years in Dutch colonial service 1888 to 1900. I am fortunate in having the daily journal that he kept during that time. It's in German but we had it translated to English. Quite interesting.
Wow ... 150 years old and still looking good!! That is a gorgeous, interesting, fantastic ... forgotten weapon! Never even heard of Beaumont before... Thanks to you, O blessed Gun Jesus - your followers are humbled by your knowledge, wisdom and ... THAT shirt ;-)
@@joranvandersluis Er zijn periodes geweest dat Belgie onder Nederlands bewind viel and Belgie was groots in wapenproductie. Beaumont is een prima Belgische naam.
Same in my country Argentina with the Remingtons Rolling Block originally in .43 Spanish, converted into shotguns and "pistolones" (mini-shotguns in pistol format).
@@ScottKenny1978 there are videos out there on YT. I have just about everthing sourced formed brass( made from 50/90 sharps) neck sizing with a 45 colt die. the scary part for me is the black powder as I do not know anything about BP loading.
I use 70gr ffg and the lee .457 400gr ...I just use the colt 45 die to neck size, then use the universal expander die to seat bullet...using the flat side of the expander plug. You're guaranteed to get lots of people coming up and asking if it is a Mauser.
Yeah, the fragile V spring, still kicking after 150 years of service. Well at least 130 years, I suppose the Ethiopians used those as well anything else they could get their hands on while they were attacked from most directions.
Your depth of knowledge is amazing. Very interesting to see the historic detours en-route towards the "modern" configuration of a rifle. I would have loved to see a cartridge that goes with the gun, however...
I owned one of the single-shot versions as a schoolboy in UK. Impossible to find ammunition so I improvised. Because the round wasn't a fit in the chamber I had to wrap a piece of cloth round the action to prevent a face full of hot gas. I recall that the owner's name carved on the butt had the notation "1898".
I would have a field day with this applying some acetone, ironing out the indents, filling up those cracks/dents, reworking the stamps to make them more visible and reapplying some boiled linseed oil. That thing would look like it came right from the factory.
In the first close up I noticed the bolt handle was two pieces, but yeah, never would've guessed it was because there was a spring in there. Very unique way of doing things.
Hi Ian, great video as always. Question: I'd love it if you could do a video that's just about how you go about cleaning up old historic rifles like this one. Many of us have our own techniques to clean them without removing their history, but I'd really like to see your general approach and techniques given your experience.
Thanks for the back story Ian. Oddly my gun has the vitali conversion but remains in the white as well as having a slotted cleaning rod. All matching numbers too. So much fun to shoot....always turns heads.
I have been waiting for this ever since I found your channel I have a 1874 Beaumont Vitali and I have wondered if any still existed without the magazine.
I have a Steyr m95 Indonesian contract in .303 British. Pretty cool old rifle. Receiver is marked 1898 but converted to 303 British in the 50s. Pretty cool big muzzle device on it. Hembrug Arsenal stamp on the stock. Got some original steyr enblock clips for it and shot it a few times. Great video as always! Very interesting old rifle
Cool, Beaumont was a rich family from Maastricht a mid tier city in the south of the Netherlands, i live there. Their mansion is now a “rijksmonument” situated at the market plaza. I believe there is a series of escape rooms in their mansion these days. Some figures of the family got rich from weapon manufacturing they started out by making high end decorative pistols btw. Thats a very nice and unique piece you got there good job!
@@ScottKenny1978 would not be that surprising. not long before this the Netherlands was a for a while part of the french empire, and belgium was part of the netherlands as well.
@@robertlinke2666 Could be Maastricht in general was always a more French orientated city, when Belgium split of in 1830 Maastricht choose to join them, but Dutch troops stationed there prevented that luckily! The Dutch province that Maastricht is in is called Limburg, there is also a Limburg province in Belgium and it used to be also a bit in Germany including the city of Aachen which was the capital of the Franks under Charlemagne, greater Limburg is general was the center region from where the Franks conquered Roman Gaul etc and created France. Today the standard Dutch language is a direct descendant from old Frankish, together with the Saxon language they make up the low German dialects. The Frisians in the north of the Netherlands speak a bit more like English and Danish. Anyway i digress...
Very cool bolt, looks strong. I also really like the dovetail extractor design, can allow for strong extractors while maintaining the spring ability it needs to snap over a cartridge.
So, I'm out RV'ing - staying in a little town called Broadus, Montana - I go into the little museum in town today, and... it's full guns. And lo and behold - in that case is Dutch Beaumont. I have *never* seen one before [maybe I walked past one in Cody, but that place is... holy shit] - and here is one. Pretty cool coincidence. Ian should *definitely* get into this museum - it also has no time constraints for video production. He can take all the time he wants, and the museum staff *love* having road experts come in. They have a TON of guns from the late 1800s and early 1900s - a bunch of WWII bringbacks in wonderful condition. Brownings, Japanese weapons, lever actions of all types, a trove of shotguns... Ian could probably spend an entire summer here doing videos... And I know, I am going to next year! They have a saber from Little Big Horn, the *Smithsonian Verified!* largest collection of seashells west of the Mississippi. Local fossils, tractors, guns, arrowheads, and all kinds of quirkery collected by locals since the 1800s. It is an amazing little museum. And... the museum lets you touch things... I like that. *They* like that - they *want* you to touch the things. Yep - definitely going to hang out in Broadus a *whole* lot more.
In the US at least, it seems the beaumont vitali conversion was surplused just before ww1. You'll often see them show up in silent war films around 1916-1920, usually as a stand in for german mausers.
I just acquired this same firearm from a relative and researched it through this very helpful site as I have done in the past. However, I am a bit confused as to the dates and variations that are addressed in the vid compared to what I have. In your video you mention that mods were done in 1888 to upgrade to the mag version. The one that I have is stamped 1877 and has those same mods. (Mag) all serial numbers on all parts match, and the only other thing that is missing from your informative review is that my rifle does not carry the P Stevens stamp. Nor does it have the Ethiopia stamp as you addressed. That does not matter to me at this point. It's just the times of dates and mods that throws me off. All-in-all, your vids are a great resource for me in building my collection and gaining information. I really appreciate your knowledge and willingness to offer the same to us antique gun collectors. All your work is well done and not gone unappreciated.
wow ...what a different 'forgotten weapon'. A spring inside the bolt is a unique design feature...but very clever idea. And so easy to replace if any problems with regular service. nice shirt BTW
Cool to see one of "our" guns still around! Looking forward to more about the other version in the east indies! Willem II died in 1849 though so it must have been his son Willem III that officially adopted them though.
Just picked up a bayonet for one of these things for pretty cheap (125$) at an antique store. The journey of identifying it was wild, I was not prepared for just how many cruciform socket bayonets there were in the 1860s and 70s lol
As an ethiopian who is a descendant from soldiers in that period to explain for future videos warriors/ soldier’s preferred to shoot at close ranges like 50 yrs or less to make sure u got a clean shot and that it was a kill to conserve ammo cuz good ammo was so precious that it was used a currency a lot of the time so thats why they removed sights as such groups tended to prefer to soften up target with several rounds into a group of enemies then sling their various rifles on their backs to go in for the kill and preceded to go with melee weapons for 3 reasons 1 ease of using them 2 confirming the kill 3 to mutilate ur enemy preferably alive and bring back severed body parts as war trophies ( usually castration ) to brag to their families and communities that they were a really solider and not a “soft heart coward who was sitting around being lazy weak like a woman “
Ya I love how u can hear what militaries and governments were thinking and new ideas about manufacturing concepts through time and how they improved upon gun designs from 400 years ago until modern ar 15
@Ian and @Forgotten Weapons The Beaumont rifles were also used by the colonial army (KNIL) in the Dutch East Indies (now: Indonesia) until the advent of the Dutch M95 Steyr-Mannlicher. The KNIL never converted their Beaumonts with the Vitali magazine to Beaumont-Vitalis, So this particular rifle may have been used by the KNIL too.
The early metallic cartridge guns are the coolest. Big boolet', low velocity. Idk, there's just something so cool about that, to me. Just seeing how much accuracy you can get out of a bullet like that is interesting.
Ethiopia, during that time period, seems have had a preference for rifles that were "in the white" as opposed to blued. It could be that this was just a quirk of what was available on the surplus market or maybe, just maybe, there was a reason for this preference. A few possibilities come to mind: 1. In the hot Ethiopian sun a blued rifle is going to get hotter than a rifle "in the white" and make handling uncomfortable; or 2. Cleaning black powder firearms that are "in the white" may be easier and/or may have several advantages (for a military) over blued black powder weapons; or 3. The Emperor of Ethiopia or some general (or civil servant) in charge of, or overseeing procurement of small arms for the Ethiopian military may simply have had a preference for the look of rifles that were "in the white". Its just a few theories I am researching.
@@kallejodelbauer2955 as someone that is Dutch, i find that fairly offensive. i do not live in a province i dislike called ''Brabant'' that has the village of Maaskantje. i live in a worse place called Sittard kek
Hi Ian. Love your work - have been watching you for good many years now. I know this is a nitpick, but when you talk about the lion stamp on the rifle, it is not "Lion of Judas", but "Lion of Judah". The lion does not refer to Judas the apostle, but Judah the kingdom. Small thing, I know. And it is only said at around 0:45, when talking about the stamp. Otherwise you say Judah quite clearly.
Great history video. Seen many of these in repeater version at gun shows. Always wondered about their history. How odd that they were sent in the white. Wonder how many manufacturers did that. I cant imagine why they chose a v spring over a coil spring. A very poor choice of spring type. So roughly 44 mag rifle velocity shot out to many hundreds of yards farther than we would ever consider shooting today.
I had a smoothbore with a bolt like that and an ill-fitting stock a long time ago. It had, I think, Japanese markings. Now I have a better idea what it was, I'll have to look up the Muratas.
Looks like a fairly normal rifle until you see the spring inside the bolt handle. I love the videos that cause me to ask "what the hell?" Those are the most interesting ones. I also love that you can learn some world history from these videos.
back in school in history lessons, we learned who won/lost where & when.
here i'm learning practically all the why.
I have learned about the existence of so many historical conflicts that I never heard about in school through Ian's videos over the last few years. I've actually been caused to further research many of these and deepened my understanding of how the world became what it is today.
@@TheKencoffee being Dutch I really appreciate the "didn't find themselves in a war" bit. Basically meant the Germans weren't that interested. Which fortunate situation held untill 1940.
Heads up, it's the Empire of Ethiopia not "Kingdom" since Ethiopia as a state was a union of different kingdoms. Menelik II was Emperor (negusa negast) and his provincial lords were all kings (negusitati). Menelik himself was only a king (of Shewa) before he took over as Emperor of all Ethiopia.
Interesting, thank you
I'm guessing 'negusa negast' means king of kings? Similar to the Persian definition of emperor
@@royalhero4608 Correct! He was the supreme king of all the other subordinate kings or leaders of each region.
@@SelfRaisingWheat Awesome. Ethiopia really intrigues me, it has such a unique history
Resume of the ethiopian history: the virgin european, arabian or whatever idk vs the chad ethiopian, prove me wrong, go ahead, humiliate yourselves
The Ethiopian ‘stash’ is the gift that keeps on giving.
Yup! Insta-click.
Too bad everything is in like the worst shape it could possibly be in.
@@akaJughead my enfield from that stash was filled with dead bugs.
@@AppalachianTemplar I saw that movie! They are not dead... Just... Waiting.
@@akaJughead kinda comes with the territory doesn't it?
They were worried about the V spring holding up... Still looks good nearly 150 years later
This one does not look heavily used. So the spring should be quite good, since it was never really worked an kompressed. This is hell of a lucky find, especially if one looks at all the other rifles in that stash.
I have 2 Dutch Beaumont rifles 1871/88 and the V Spring is still in very good condition and works perfectly
@@johannesvanhoek9080 I also have two whose springs are still great. One of them I got from a friend who I know took it to the range fairly often. I don't think the springs are quite as fragile as their reputation would imply.
@@johannesvanhoek9080 apart from that, it seems like an easily replaceable part
@@remko2 Agreed. Not exactly something you'd want to do in combat but easily done by anyone who has a screwdriver handy and a spare minute.
The shirt matches the gun perfectly.
The shirt Is more interesting than the rifle
Bet that rifle could tell quite a few stories if it could talk.
Oh, it can talk. It can say BOOM.
Loose lips sink ships, enemy ear might be near...
Being from Ethiopia I bet it would say it's starving to death probably for some oil from the looks of it.
That’s why I’ve been collecting for 30 years. The stories they could tell. Sometimes they do. I have a Remington 1891 that they actually took possession of, that ended up in Finish hand and swapped in Westing house bolt that ended up back here.
Probably quite a warehouse connoisseur, tbh
The development and adoption of this rifle in the Netherlands would have been during the reign of king Willem the 3rd, not the 2nd, the 2nd died in 1849. Interesting video though, I always wondered what preceded the Dutch Mannlicher in Dutch service.
Klopt als een zwerende vinger. Het was Willem de derde. Koning gorilla🤪
European made in a slightly more "modern" calibre. Also there was no need fore a real modern rifle fore the dutch army outside of the colonys.
Sinder and the beaumont rifle.
To give some perspective to the timing of this rifle, as they began to process of getting it, in 1867, Canada was becoming a country. July 1 1867.
Self governing Dominion within the British Empire?
This rifle, very functional as it is, really serves to show the genius of the Mauser system.
Extremely cool to see a very early bolt action rifle, especially in such excellent condition
Probably the rifle issued to my grandfather, when he was shipped to the Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia) to fight in the Aceh Rebellion, sometime in the 1890s. I think he was shipped there before the switch to the Dutch Mannlicher. He survived his enlistment. Retired in the Indies, only to die in a Japanese prison camp, in WWII.
Thank you for sharing. Sorry to hear about your grandfather suffering like that.
Very sorry to hear 😢
My grandfather served 12 years in Dutch colonial service 1888 to 1900. I am fortunate in having the daily journal that he kept during that time. It's in German but we had it translated to English. Quite interesting.
@@jimjones7594 very Fortunate
A beaumont could have been used early 1900 but the switch to the M95 Hembrug was fast. And interesting to hear he was pat of the Atjeh war.
Hell yeah, best way to start the day! Love it when I get here this early!
I love the smell of historical firearms in the morning.
I’m laughing… 5min after your comment it’s 10:05PM here in Brisbane AU. Have a great Day anyway
Wow ... 150 years old and still looking good!! That is a gorgeous, interesting, fantastic ... forgotten weapon! Never even heard of Beaumont before...
Thanks to you, O blessed Gun Jesus - your followers are humbled by your knowledge, wisdom and ... THAT shirt ;-)
A Dutch version, of a French rifle, from Ethiopia. MR WORLDWIDE
perhaps made in Germany, later upgraded with Italian magazines.
Could also be a Czechoslovak version of a German rifle from the same place.
I found one of those rifles in a outback while it's being pulled by a outback while it's parked out back of a outback
Dutch rifle, Dutch designer, made in Maastricht, a Dutch city... just saying
I saw one of these with the magazine at a cabellas in Wisconsin yesterday.
WOW! What didn't the Ethiopians get for weapons? This is great, so many variants that were fairly rare.
@@buckberthod5007 Comes with being surrounded by European colonies.
I think it was just two days ago I was polishing my 1871/79 Beaumont.
The wooden finish on that is beautiful
Very interesting striker mechanism. I'd like to learn more about V-spring cartridge strikers.
As soon as I saw the stamp I was excited to hear how you would pronounce 'Maastricht' haha, you did fine ;)
@@_DeadEnd_ Yeah it was pretty good, i'm also a dutch person ofc.
Two weeks ago I bought a M71 Beaumont from 1871. Exactly 150 years old! The M71 was the very first version, indeed with the safety switch on the side.
Me as a Dutchy would love to see more historical weapons from the Netherlands ^^
nice! ik ben ook nederlands
is dit dus een echt nederlands geweer?. beaumont klinkt toch niet nederlands?
@@joranvandersluisze werden gemaakt in Maastricht, beaumont is een stad in belgie
We hebben der helaas niet zo veel
@@joranvandersluis Er zijn periodes geweest dat Belgie onder Nederlands bewind viel and Belgie was groots in wapenproductie. Beaumont is een prima Belgische naam.
A lot of these were also converted into smoothbore shotguns.
That would be a great little scatter gun in 20 ga.
Same in my country Argentina with the Remingtons Rolling Block originally in .43 Spanish, converted into shotguns and "pistolones" (mini-shotguns in pistol format).
Love the content man. Keep doing what youre doing, were proud of you.
I just bought a beaumont vertali. currently sourcing a means of loading the cartridges. dies brass etc are rediculously expensive.
I wish I had some leads for you, because I'd love to see one shoot!
@@ScottKenny1978 there are videos out there on YT. I have just about everthing sourced formed brass( made from 50/90 sharps) neck sizing with a 45 colt die. the scary part for me is the black powder as I do not know anything about BP loading.
@@Thedailygrind90 fill the case, leave NO air space!!!
Seat bullet.
Slightly compressed loads are good.
Buffalo arms sells it for $88per20rd box when they have it in stock
I use 70gr ffg and the lee .457 400gr ...I just use the colt 45 die to neck size, then use the universal expander die to seat bullet...using the flat side of the expander plug. You're guaranteed to get lots of people coming up and asking if it is a Mauser.
Yeah, the fragile V spring, still kicking after 150 years of service. Well at least 130 years, I suppose the Ethiopians used those as well anything else they could get their hands on while they were attacked from most directions.
I am happy they survived, their food is quite unique and very tasty.
@@Ammoniummetavanadate Well, I wish some enterprising guy would open an Ethiopian restaurant in my city. But that is really unlikely. Pity.
13.08 pm, just sat down to my lunch, great timing Ian😀
Just got my grandpa's old one of these he used to display in his dining room, mine is one of the box magazine ones
Hi Ian,
love your videos!
The entire surface of that rifle is dinged-up. It has seen hard service.
120 years in Africa will do that to you.
Your depth of knowledge is amazing.
Very interesting to see the historic detours en-route towards the "modern" configuration of a rifle.
I would have loved to see a cartridge that goes with the gun, however...
Now, that's what I call a Dutch treat.
I owned one of the single-shot versions as a schoolboy in UK. Impossible to find ammunition so I improvised. Because the round wasn't a fit in the chamber I had to wrap a piece of cloth round the action to prevent a face full of hot gas. I recall that the owner's name carved on the butt had the notation "1898".
very cool piece of history
Good morning! Have a great weekend
I would have a field day with this applying some acetone, ironing out the indents, filling up those cracks/dents, reworking the stamps to make them more visible and reapplying some boiled linseed oil. That thing would look like it came right from the factory.
Thank you Ian great video!
If you had asked me to guess where the mainspring was and told me it WASNT in the bolt, I would've never guessed the freaking bolt handle...
In the first close up I noticed the bolt handle was two pieces, but yeah, never would've guessed it was because there was a spring in there. Very unique way of doing things.
What an awesome piece! I need to keep my eyes open.
Thank you Ian, very cool rifle and history!
Hi Ian, great video as always. Question: I'd love it if you could do a video that's just about how you go about cleaning up old historic rifles like this one. Many of us have our own techniques to clean them without removing their history, but I'd really like to see your general approach and techniques given your experience.
"For you Europeans [metric units]" - TIL that every country in the world other than the USA, Liberia, and Myanmar must be in Europe.
Thanks for the back story Ian. Oddly my gun has the vitali conversion but remains in the white as well as having a slotted cleaning rod. All matching numbers too. So much fun to shoot....always turns heads.
I have been waiting for this ever since I found your channel I have a 1874 Beaumont Vitali and I have wondered if any still existed without the magazine.
I have a Steyr m95 Indonesian contract in .303 British. Pretty cool old rifle. Receiver is marked 1898 but converted to 303 British in the 50s. Pretty cool big muzzle device on it. Hembrug Arsenal stamp on the stock. Got some original steyr enblock clips for it and shot it a few times. Great video as always! Very interesting old rifle
Cool, Beaumont was a rich family from Maastricht a mid tier city in the south of the Netherlands, i live there. Their mansion is now a “rijksmonument” situated at the market plaza. I believe there is a series of escape rooms in their mansion these days. Some figures of the family got rich from weapon manufacturing they started out by making high end decorative pistols btw. Thats a very nice and unique piece you got there good job!
Makes me wonder if there's any relation to Chevalier d'Eon de Beaumont.
@@ScottKenny1978 would not be that surprising.
not long before this the Netherlands was a for a while part of the french empire, and belgium was part of the netherlands as well.
@@robertlinke2666 Could be Maastricht in general was always a more French orientated city, when Belgium split of in 1830 Maastricht choose to join them, but Dutch troops stationed there prevented that luckily! The Dutch province that Maastricht is in is called Limburg, there is also a Limburg province in Belgium and it used to be also a bit in Germany including the city of Aachen which was the capital of the Franks under Charlemagne, greater Limburg is general was the center region from where the Franks conquered Roman Gaul etc and created France. Today the standard Dutch language is a direct descendant from old Frankish, together with the Saxon language they make up the low German dialects. The Frisians in the north of the Netherlands speak a bit more like English and Danish. Anyway i digress...
@@Judge_Magister ik ben nederlands, en hoewel ik het meeste hiervan wist, niet alles.
Very cool bolt, looks strong. I also really like the dovetail extractor design, can allow for strong extractors while maintaining the spring ability it needs to snap over a cartridge.
So, I'm out RV'ing - staying in a little town called Broadus, Montana - I go into the little museum in town today, and... it's full guns. And lo and behold - in that case is Dutch Beaumont. I have *never* seen one before [maybe I walked past one in Cody, but that place is... holy shit] - and here is one. Pretty cool coincidence. Ian should *definitely* get into this museum - it also has no time constraints for video production. He can take all the time he wants, and the museum staff *love* having road experts come in. They have a TON of guns from the late 1800s and early 1900s - a bunch of WWII bringbacks in wonderful condition. Brownings, Japanese weapons, lever actions of all types, a trove of shotguns... Ian could probably spend an entire summer here doing videos... And I know, I am going to next year!
They have a saber from Little Big Horn, the *Smithsonian Verified!* largest collection of seashells west of the Mississippi. Local fossils, tractors, guns, arrowheads, and all kinds of quirkery collected by locals since the 1800s. It is an amazing little museum.
And... the museum lets you touch things... I like that. *They* like that - they *want* you to touch the things.
Yep - definitely going to hang out in Broadus a *whole* lot more.
In the US at least, it seems the beaumont vitali conversion was surplused just before ww1. You'll often see them show up in silent war films around 1916-1920, usually as a stand in for german mausers.
I just acquired this same firearm from a relative and researched it through this very helpful site as I have done in the past. However, I am a bit confused as to the dates and variations that are addressed in the vid compared to what I have. In your video you mention that mods were done in 1888 to upgrade to the mag version. The one that I have is stamped 1877 and has those same mods. (Mag) all serial numbers on all parts match, and the only other thing that is missing from your informative review is that my rifle does not carry the P Stevens stamp. Nor does it have the Ethiopia stamp as you addressed. That does not matter to me at this point. It's just the times of dates and mods that throws me off. All-in-all, your vids are a great resource for me in building my collection and gaining information. I really appreciate your knowledge and willingness to offer the same to us antique gun collectors. All your work is well done and not gone unappreciated.
..I want Ian to make a movie as a young Hercule Poirot..."Murder in Ethiopia" or something like that
wow ...what a different 'forgotten weapon'. A spring inside the bolt is a unique design feature...but very clever idea. And so easy to replace if any problems with regular service.
nice shirt BTW
It would have been King Willem the Third, not second. Willem the Second died in 1849.
Cool to see one of "our" guns still around! Looking forward to more about the other version in the east indies!
Willem II died in 1849 though so it must have been his son Willem III that officially adopted them though.
Another good one. Thanks Ian.
Just picked up a bayonet for one of these things for pretty cheap (125$) at an antique store. The journey of identifying it was wild, I was not prepared for just how many cruciform socket bayonets there were in the 1860s and 70s lol
Being Dutch myself, This is very interesting to watch
Ian, I love the show and the information it entertainingly provides. This time I must comment on the shirt. I love it.
Nice shirt, Ian.
Love all the interesting old rifles.
Cool to see a rifle that was inspected in my province!
Amazing design that was implemented at a time when many Armies of the world (including the US) where still relying on muzzle loaders.
On this episode of bottom gear mate we review a rifle
Glad that it came with a manual to show you how to do D&A 😀.
Know that we love every video Ian
For as far as I know, the Dutch Navy also was issued with this type of rifle, with only just a shorter length barrel.
As an ethiopian who is a descendant from soldiers in that period to explain for future videos warriors/ soldier’s preferred to shoot at close ranges like 50 yrs or less to make sure u got a clean shot and that it was a kill to conserve ammo cuz good ammo was so precious that it was used a currency a lot of the time so thats why they removed sights as such groups tended to prefer to soften up target with several rounds into a group of enemies then sling their various rifles on their backs to go in for the kill and preceded to go with melee weapons for 3 reasons 1 ease of using them 2 confirming the kill 3 to mutilate ur enemy preferably alive and bring back severed body parts as war trophies ( usually castration ) to brag to their families and communities that they were a really solider and not a “soft heart coward who was sitting around being lazy weak like a woman “
great to learn gun history of my country.
I live in Holland.
Ya I love how u can hear what militaries and governments were thinking and new ideas about manufacturing concepts through time and how they improved upon gun designs from 400 years ago until modern ar 15
Me too!
Hawaii shirts go surprisingly well with Dutch antique rifles - from Ethiopia.
Honestly the bolt reminds me very much of the Mosin
I was wondering why that bolt handle was so massive. I had no idea it had a V-spring inside of it.
"Is that a V-spring in your bolt handle, or are you just..." 😜
Hell yeah, it's Friday night, what are we doing? Absolutely, we're watching a video from Forgotten Weapons.
@Ian and @Forgotten Weapons The Beaumont rifles were also used by the colonial army (KNIL) in the Dutch East Indies (now: Indonesia) until the advent of the Dutch M95 Steyr-Mannlicher. The KNIL never converted their Beaumonts with the Vitali magazine to Beaumont-Vitalis, So this particular rifle may have been used by the KNIL too.
No, colonial beaumonts were never updated with the m.79 sight and besides kept the safetylever.
Beaumont rifle is the heavily used in Dutch East Indies. Especially during Dutch conquest of Aceh and Bali.
So much more advanced than our trapdoors and earlier.
Whoa Ian, I didn't know you shopped at Dan Flashes! I want that shirt SO BAD!
Ian, has laid his hands on this rifle..... .
Did the Dutch cavalry Remington Rolling Blocks use the same cartridge as the their M1871/79 Beaumont rifles?
Ive bought close to a dozen rifles from RTI none of them had the lion of judah. and only 3 had ethiopian script.
The early metallic cartridge guns are the coolest. Big boolet', low velocity. Idk, there's just something so cool about that, to me. Just seeing how much accuracy you can get out of a bullet like that is interesting.
Ethiopia, during that time period, seems have had a preference for rifles that were "in the white" as opposed to blued. It could be that this was just a quirk of what was available on the surplus market or maybe, just maybe, there was a reason for this preference. A few possibilities come to mind: 1. In the hot Ethiopian sun a blued rifle is going to get hotter than a rifle "in the white" and make handling uncomfortable; or 2. Cleaning black powder firearms that are "in the white" may be easier and/or may have several advantages (for a military) over blued black powder weapons; or 3. The Emperor of Ethiopia or some general (or civil servant) in charge of, or overseeing procurement of small arms for the Ethiopian military may simply have had a preference for the look of rifles that were "in the white". Its just a few theories I am researching.
and the town of Maastricht where the rifle was approved is 20 minutes away from me, never knew that city approved / tested guns back in the day
So you live in "Maaskantje".Did that belongs to a 150 year old Gun?
I dont think so.
@@kallejodelbauer2955 as someone that is Dutch, i find that fairly offensive. i do not live in a province i dislike called ''Brabant'' that has the village of Maaskantje. i live in a worse place called Sittard kek
Your pronunciation of Maastricht is almost perfect!
Read "Scoop" by Evelyn Waugh (based on Italy's later Imperial war in "I'll be see'n ya").
That was pretty cool.
Excellent episode on this interesting rifle (yes I'm Dutch)
I have one of those! Mine is converted. Bought in Allentown Pennsylvania. At a store called the Occult Emporium. It's serial number is 666.
Cool!! Is it still shootable or is it just a cool wall decoration?
cool shirt, man
Hi Ian. Love your work - have been watching you for good many years now. I know this is a nitpick, but when you talk about the lion stamp on the rifle, it is not "Lion of Judas", but "Lion of Judah". The lion does not refer to Judas the apostle, but Judah the kingdom. Small thing, I know. And it is only said at around 0:45, when talking about the stamp. Otherwise you say Judah quite clearly.
Great Shirt!
The 1871 beaumont and it's variants were the service rifle of the armed forces of the netherlands east indies army into the 1900's
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Great history video. Seen many of these in repeater version at gun shows. Always wondered about their history. How odd that they were sent in the white. Wonder how many manufacturers did that. I cant imagine why they chose a v spring over a coil spring. A very poor choice of spring type. So roughly 44 mag rifle velocity shot out to many hundreds of yards farther than we would ever consider shooting today.
Coil springs are hard to make, while a flat or V spring is easier to do.
Interesting early bolt action. Wish you would use more pictures on some of the information you are explaining.
I have the boxed magazine version
Like no. 32, top markotop Muantabe from Jakarta Indonesia 👍.
I had a smoothbore with a bolt like that and an ill-fitting stock a long time ago. It had, I think, Japanese markings. Now I have a better idea what it was, I'll have to look up the Muratas.
That's why i'm depressed, i'm a spring waiting to be released.
Awesome shirt!
Cool shirt