i just got facsimile edition of codex sinaticus! it is awesome book! my only problem is this is 32lbs very heavey book.(my back hurts everytime i open this book) i was looking for this facsimile edition since 1995.(1862 edition and 1911 edition is very expensive and rare) Thank you so much to the British Library and all other people who brought this codex to internet and printed edition.God bless You!
Rosie A. 1 second ago Hi, can someone help me. According to Jehovah's Witnesses (Watchtower) They say that this Codex Sinaticus does NOT include Jonn 8:1-11, is that correct? They have left if out of their 2013 edition of the Bible. Please help. Thank you
@@rosiej.1473 yes codex Sinaiticus ,codex vaticanus doesn’t have John 7:53-8:11 some Greek manuscripts put this verses into different gospels.Greek New Testament textual scholars think this verses are not original part of John (they are part of oral tradition)that’s why modern Bible translations left out this verses.(none of the surviving papyrus of john have this verses.codex bezae have this verses but this codex was written around 400 AD.and codex bezae have very high influence of Western type text.
@@rosiej.1473there are many things taken and added to scripture Jeremiah 8:8 tells us this. I think most of old testament was by man ot the vengeful jealous big thirsty God enki
So, is this saying that there are parts of this codex in four different geographical areas, that they brought together to photograph as one whole? Or, are there four separate whole codexes that they brought to be photographed as one? I've been lied to as I was told that the British Library owned the entire codex!
I don't understand how they can say this is the oldest Bible when this particular book has never been tested for age or the inks used never tested also. There is also evidence to discredit the authenticity if researched.
There are no original manuscripts of any part of the Bible in existence. All that we have are copies and copies of copies, etc. etc.and there are many, many of those. It makes no sense to say that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God since we do not have the anything remotely like an original. Besides, what people call the Bible is just a translation of some manuscript or manuscripts. A tranlation cannot be inerrant because by definition it is not the word of god (no revelations were made in English)
See youtube video Is the oldest Bible a fake? And the other videos by chicktracts. All your questions will be answered. Sinaitucus is a 17th century fraud a lie and all new translations are based on it. The King James Bible is based on 5700 manuscripts which all agree! Sinaiticus and Vaticanus do not agree on any one page or even verse! Sinaiticus was altered erased written over by at least seven different hands!
questions ???? how is it that the bible you are claiming is the oldest looks so new???? why are you handling the book without gloves on ? didnt they discover that light can cause much damage?
See the youtube video is the oldest Bible a fake? This is a 17th century forgery! All documented and proven. Also movie Tares among the wheat and a lamp in the dark also on Amazon Prime. As well Gary W. Daniels book Is the oldest Bible a fake.
"The Sinai Bible" - Codex Sinaiticus Codex Sinaiticus is one of the most important books in the world. Handwritten well over 1600 years ago, the manuscript contains the Christian Bible in Greek, including the oldest complete copy of the New Testament. Its heavily corrected text is of outstanding importance for the history of the Bible and the manuscript - the oldest substantial book to survive Antiquity - is of supreme importance for the history of the book. Coveted by scholars and rulers throughout the centuries, it is thought it is the only surviving example of 50 bibles ordered by the Roman emperor Constantine the Great and was kept for much of its existence at the remote Monastery of St Catherine in Sinai. All 800 surviving pages from Codex Sinaiticus, the earliest surviving Christian bible, now freely available to scholars worldwide at: www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/ The British Library - Codex Sinaiticus ua-cam.com/video/fd_x1yuIrZ8/v-deo.html ___
hi about this problem the have only 800 pages but is not all pages alof of them missing not like this guy says at description i saw codex with my eyes is in london :D
@TheAgateman1 There are at least four locations that people claim are the biblical Mount Sinai. One of them is in Egypt on the Sinai Peninsula and is currently called Mount Sinai. Another is northwest Saudi Arabia.
Tischendorf stained them, trying to make them look older in the 1700's. This is a fake bible. Read "who faked the world's oldest bible" by David W Daniels.
{Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful.}Quran, Alaraf :157
@Alfa Won - Doesn’t it occur to you that you should do a 10 second internet search to check if you’re right before calling a rare book expert out as a fool in a public forum??
@Sarah01181225 codex sinaiticus omit mark 16:9 to 16:20 john 7:53-8:11 and other verses as well.codex vaticanus have better readings than codex sinaiticus because codex S omitted so many words or even sentences.but codex B dont have revelation so scholars had to rely on codex alexandrinus for the text of revelation of john.
I'm seeing (odd) claims (via UA-cam) that the Codex is a fake, or at least it wouldn't date to the mid-fourth century. Haven't watched any--and I assumed the dating to c. 350s AD or so, had significant consensus. Curious--have the pages been carbon dated? And what other epigraphic evidence helps with the dating (is the large majuscule lettering a clue?). Thank you!
@@terencealbertmcbain8041 RE: it has been proven to be written in the 1800s Actually, just the opposite. Your claim has been much refuted as a conspiracy theory which does not carry any consensus in biblical scholarship. Epigraphic and textual evidence shows the Codex Sinaiticus is genuine as made toward the close of the Early Christian era in the 4th (or to the early 5th) century CE / AD.
@BurnAllLiberals The translations I read of 1 John 5:7-8 read 7For there are three that testify: 8the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree. There's a big difference between "Spirit, water and blood" and "father, word, and holy ghost."
2 books were dropped from codex of sinaiticus: "The Shepherd of Hermas", a heavily allegorical work full of visions and parables and "The Epistle of Barnabas" which contains text about the Jews as the killers of Christ, denial of christ divinity, denial of trinity, prophecy about coming prophet named Muhammed (these books found 200 years before the coming of prophet Muhammed) Yes, these are the facts they hide from you, all these centuries
Every measurement has associate an uncertainty interval. What is the uncertainty of carbon dating? The measurement must be repeated, at least this is done in laboratories of physics. And considering the sensitive subject, the measurement must be performed in different laboratories to avoid any bias. At the end of the day, I rather prefer the book as it is and consider different methods. Unless your aim is destroying the book.
00:38 I like how they always claim all existing bibles derive from this one. No, thats not how it works. It wasnt the ONLY one that existed at the time I’m sure. How do you know some other manuscript that was later lost with the exact same content wasn’t used as a source? There’s no evidence every single bible written after this one only used this one as a source.
*IT IS THE EARLIEST “KNOWN” BIBLE! IN EXISTENCE!!!* Don’t you listen??? No one said it was THE ONE from which all others sprang! Try putting down your hand held device when “watching” videos, it’ll help you to listen better!
@@voraciousreader3341 00:38 ''...it's ultimately the prototype of every bible that anybody has'' prototype: noun 1. a first or preliminary version of a device or vehicle from which other forms are developed. Do you want to continue shout in bold capital or are you satisfied?
I forget what church it was. Probably catholic. But monks used to write bibles all day everyday for years. All by hand and it had to be in a very ornate style. It is insane to think of half the things people devote their life to.
not true partly that is ,jesus did die ,but resurrected but those details are unknown they placed the dead body in the tomb when they came back jesus was already resurrected there is only one person that had never died god took him to heaven while he was living..i think his name was enoch but i can find out from my brother who is a preacher
And yet it gets no-where near the age of the people it, the book purports to document. As well, as the book, the bible was supposedly created by god, why is it written by men?
the oldest bible is the ethoipian bible and the ethopians were the first orthodox do your research they even have a picture of it on u tube and the first page of the bible tells you the strong history of ethopia aka kush genesis 2:13 king james version which is european and the european basiclly the modern day greek roman kazar etc.
Sinaitus is one of oldest codices i.e, books written on animal skin (vellum). There are older scrolls or fragments of scrolls. The Dead Seal Scrolls, for example.
All scriptures were sent to Prophets which includes Jesus respectively Jesus was God's servant like the rest of the Messengers. Happy yo know this is conformed.
Everyone makes these claims that this is the oldest, ours is correct, jesus wanst the messiah, mt. Sinai isn't there its here. And all of us miss the point. The devil has won our souls because we fight over what is and was, but we should focus on the love it all means. Why does it matter what he looked like or his real name. The purpose is eternal life. What's so bad about that? Prasie God!
The bible was extremely similar to the Quran and it confirmed that Jesus was was a prophet and not son of God, it also confirmed that overtime the bible has been changed and edited by church’s to make Jesus seem like he’s god when he is a prophet
Do you have no understanding of history? Do you not listen to what is presented in videos?? Try putting on subtitles….it might help you absorb what’s actually been said.
@David Boehm - *There’s no excuse for not knowing something like this, bc you have the internet to check to see if you’re right, in literally seconds.* Next: _THE EXPERTS KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING,_ much better than people like you! As @S. P. wrote, you’re wrong. It is best to use clean hands when viewing rare books. White cotton gloves have never been sanctioned by old book experts bc you’re much more liable to drop the book-they’re very slippery-or rip a page while wearing them, and the books were made to be used by human hands. People use them to drive up prices of rare books as a stunt. Special gloves are required when looking at photographic works, and ivory bindings…but not the pages inside.
GLORY TO THE LORD GLORY TO THE ORTHODOXY finally heretics will see that the orthodoxy is the only truth religion the truth WAY and orthodoxy (right way) is the only way to heaven orthodox dogma is the right one not any1 not catholics not any other way only orthodoxy the orthodox bible is the same like codex sinaiticus peoples will see that is truth what i`m telling you codex sinainticus have 151 psalms...like orthodox biblie and many other things
Jesus died for our sins. He sacrificed himself for us to save us from out sins!. He wasn't "killed" for nothing! that was his plan the whole time. If you have ever read the Bible from old testament to new than you would know Jesus was supposed to die on the cross. Jesus is God and even said he was many times and John even said he was God. You have no clue what you're talking about. I know this is from 6 years ago, but I'm posting this just if someone sees this they will will know the truth and not your lies!
i just got facsimile edition of codex sinaticus! it is awesome book! my only problem is this is 32lbs very heavey book.(my back hurts everytime i open this book) i was looking for this facsimile edition since 1995.(1862 edition and 1911 edition is very expensive and rare)
Thank you so much to the British Library and all other people who brought this codex to internet and printed edition.God bless You!
Rosie A.
1 second ago
Hi, can someone help me. According to Jehovah's Witnesses (Watchtower) They say that this Codex Sinaticus does NOT include Jonn 8:1-11, is that correct? They have left if out of their 2013 edition of the Bible. Please help. Thank you
@@rosiej.1473 yes codex Sinaiticus ,codex vaticanus doesn’t have John 7:53-8:11 some Greek manuscripts put this verses into different gospels.Greek New Testament textual scholars think this verses are not original part of John (they are part of oral tradition)that’s why modern Bible translations left out this verses.(none of the surviving papyrus of john have this verses.codex bezae have this verses but this codex was written around 400 AD.and codex bezae have very high influence of Western type text.
@@Lee7676 Thank you!
@@rosiej.1473there are many things taken and added to scripture Jeremiah 8:8 tells us this. I think most of old testament was by man ot the vengeful jealous big thirsty God enki
They say it’s the oldest manuscript of the oldest bible yet we don’t have modern bibles written out of these manuscripts .
That's because it is not the oldest manuscripts of the Bible. The dead sea scrolls are over 2000 years old and it has part of 39 old testament books.
From what I understand they refuse to have it dated. There’s more to the story.
@@glenrajadamI read they were debunked, fake
Great question!
I would like to have a English translation.
me also .
its called kjv
Bro it is same as your ordinary bible but on greek
@@burnadze its not the same
sleeping Sheep it is
So, is this saying that there are parts of this codex in four different geographical areas, that they brought together to photograph as one whole? Or, are there four separate whole codexes that they brought to be photographed as one? I've been lied to as I was told that the British Library owned the entire codex!
yes
I don't understand how they can say this is the oldest Bible when this particular book has never been tested for age or the inks used never tested also. There is also evidence to discredit the authenticity if researched.
Has been tested try research it
You're right. They need to test it! But I think it would be hard to find a tester you can trust.
And they will never test it because they all know that it is fake.
@wesjacobs3316 Garima Bible in Ethiopia is older, do some research.
The oldest Bible is in Ethiopia (Africa)?
why is the Evian roller babies ad listed under "Related Video?"
@Big5XL
When the original manuscripts differ, how do you know which version is the "inerrant" one?
There are no original manuscripts of any part of the Bible in existence. All that we have are copies and copies of copies, etc. etc.and there are many, many of those. It makes no sense to say that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God since we do not have the anything remotely like an original. Besides, what people call the Bible is just a translation of some manuscript or manuscripts. A tranlation cannot be inerrant because by definition it is not the word of god (no revelations were made in English)
See youtube video Is the oldest Bible a fake? And the other videos by chicktracts. All your questions will be answered. Sinaitucus is a 17th century fraud a lie and all new translations are based on it. The King James Bible is based on 5700 manuscripts which all agree! Sinaiticus and Vaticanus do not agree on any one page or even verse! Sinaiticus was altered erased written over by at least seven different hands!
Yes, we interviewed them against a green screen and added the background
questions ???? how is it that the bible you are claiming is the oldest looks so new???? why are you handling the book without gloves on ? didnt they discover that light can cause much damage?
See the youtube video is the oldest Bible a fake? This is a 17th century forgery! All documented and proven. Also movie Tares among the wheat and a lamp in the dark also on Amazon Prime.
As well Gary W. Daniels book Is the oldest Bible a fake.
@@anthonyeusebius5834 David W. Daniels
"The Sinai Bible" - Codex Sinaiticus
Codex Sinaiticus is one of the most important books in the world. Handwritten well over 1600 years ago, the manuscript contains the Christian Bible in Greek, including the oldest complete copy of the New Testament. Its heavily corrected text is of outstanding importance for the history of the Bible and the manuscript - the oldest substantial book to survive Antiquity - is of supreme importance for the history of the book.
Coveted by scholars and rulers throughout the centuries, it is thought it is the only surviving example of 50 bibles ordered by the Roman emperor Constantine the Great and was kept for much of its existence at the remote Monastery of St Catherine in Sinai.
All 800 surviving pages from Codex Sinaiticus, the earliest surviving Christian bible, now freely available to scholars worldwide at:
www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/
The British Library - Codex Sinaiticus
ua-cam.com/video/fd_x1yuIrZ8/v-deo.html
___
Actually no as it is an Alexandrian fraud. I trust the RT line not any of the Minority/Alexandrian texts.
It has never been tested, and there is evidence to suggest it is an elaborate fraud
@@Obediah002 i believe it has been tested and was found to be dated to the 5th century
@@wjm5972you are incorrect. This is a fake bible.
awesome to think its written all by hand
hi
about this problem
the have only 800 pages but is not all pages alof of them missing not like this guy says at description
i saw codex with my eyes is in london :D
@TheAgateman1
There are at least four locations that people claim are the biblical Mount Sinai. One of them is in Egypt on the Sinai Peninsula and is currently called Mount Sinai. Another is northwest Saudi Arabia.
Why is a portion of the pages darkened and some very next pages pure white ?
Tischendorf stained them, trying to make them look older in the 1700's. This is a fake bible. Read "who faked the world's oldest bible" by David W Daniels.
Producers sometimes fail too.
Jesus Christ as returned. I AM.
Can we read the Jordan lead codes
Look them up.
why were they interviewed on fake background
They still haven't proven it wasn't forged.
The British library's digital collections are.. down...
{Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful.}Quran, Alaraf :157
And your point is……??
My point is they manupilate you like they do with LGPT and Iraq WMD
actually a lot of it was found about 50 years ago...google dead sea scrolls
You would think they would use gloves to handle such a precious document like that
They're pros, so no. No one does.
@Alfa Won - Doesn’t it occur to you that you should do a 10 second internet search to check if you’re right before calling a rare book expert out as a fool in a public forum??
@britishlibrary, we need specially made gloves or a least a special type of tweezer to look at it :D
@Sarah01181225 codex sinaiticus omit mark 16:9 to 16:20
john 7:53-8:11 and other verses as well.codex vaticanus have better readings than codex sinaiticus because codex S omitted so many words or even sentences.but codex B dont have revelation so scholars had to rely on codex alexandrinus for the text of revelation of john.
I'm seeing (odd) claims (via UA-cam) that the Codex is a fake, or at least it wouldn't date to the mid-fourth century. Haven't watched any--and I assumed the dating to c. 350s AD or so, had significant consensus. Curious--have the pages been carbon dated? And what other epigraphic evidence helps with the dating (is the large majuscule lettering a clue?). Thank you!
Yes. Research it
@@wesjacobs3316
I had researched it and still had questions, so I thought I'd ask the experts here at BL. Please go away. Thank you.
It was not written in the 4 th century, it has been proven to be written in the 1800s
@@terencealbertmcbain8041
RE: it has been proven to be written in the 1800s
Actually, just the opposite. Your claim has been much refuted as a conspiracy theory which does not carry any consensus in biblical scholarship.
Epigraphic and textual evidence shows the Codex Sinaiticus is genuine as made toward the close of the Early Christian era in the 4th (or to the early 5th) century CE / AD.
@sail2byzantium you can go away to. Try to not be so butthurt about criticism
@BurnAllLiberals
The translations I read of 1 John 5:7-8 read
7For there are three that testify: 8the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.
There's a big difference between "Spirit, water and blood" and "father, word, and holy ghost."
2 books were dropped from codex of sinaiticus:
"The Shepherd of Hermas", a heavily allegorical work full of visions and parables and "The Epistle of Barnabas"
which contains text about the Jews as the killers of Christ, denial of christ divinity, denial of trinity, prophecy about coming prophet named Muhammed (these books found 200 years before the coming of prophet Muhammed)
Yes, these are the facts they hide from you, all these centuries
Why has it not been carbon dated?
Carbon dating means burning part of the book (carbon!). For what?
@@dies1domini to date it? Dah. They could easily use a blank section.
Every measurement has associate an uncertainty interval. What is the uncertainty of carbon dating?
The measurement must be repeated, at least this is done in laboratories of physics. And considering the sensitive subject, the measurement must be performed in different laboratories to avoid any bias.
At the end of the day, I rather prefer the book as it is and consider different methods. Unless your aim is destroying the book.
00:38 I like how they always claim all existing bibles derive from this one. No, thats not how it works. It wasnt the ONLY one that existed at the time I’m sure. How do you know some other manuscript that was later lost with the exact same content wasn’t used as a source? There’s no evidence every single bible written after this one only used this one as a source.
*IT IS THE EARLIEST “KNOWN” BIBLE! IN EXISTENCE!!!* Don’t you listen??? No one said it was THE ONE from which all others sprang! Try putting down your hand held device when “watching” videos, it’ll help you to listen better!
@@voraciousreader3341 00:38 ''...it's ultimately the prototype of every bible that anybody has''
prototype: noun 1. a first or preliminary version of a device or vehicle from which other forms are developed.
Do you want to continue shout in bold capital or are you satisfied?
@Sarah01181225 it is already on internet right now.
The Garima bible in Ethiopia is older.
I forget what church it was. Probably catholic. But monks used to write bibles all day everyday for years. All by hand and it had to be in a very ornate style.
It is insane to think of half the things people devote their life to.
not true partly that is ,jesus did die ,but resurrected but those details are unknown they placed the dead body in the tomb when they came back jesus was already resurrected there is only one person that had never died god took him to heaven while he was living..i think his name was enoch but i can find out from my brother who is a preacher
Both Enoch and the prohet Elijah were said to have been taken up to heaven.
And yet it gets no-where near the age of the people it, the book purports to document. As well, as the book, the bible was supposedly created by god, why is it written by men?
THE ETHIOPIAN ANCIENT SCRIPTURES IS THE OLDEST SCRIPTURES IN THE WORLD.
Clean, dry hands are best.
the oldest bible is the ethoipian bible and the ethopians were the first orthodox do your research they even have a picture of it on u tube and the first page of the bible tells you the strong history of ethopia aka kush genesis 2:13 king james version which is european and the european basiclly the modern day greek roman kazar etc.
Sinaitus is one of oldest codices i.e, books written on animal skin (vellum). There are older scrolls or fragments of scrolls. The Dead Seal Scrolls, for example.
No it's not!
Ok so which is the oldest?
2023 anybody?
24
Cool
God Almighty is the Creator Not the Creation. Jesus is the Creation but Sadly Christian Keep Twisting the Bible verses.
Wow amazing
@britishlibrary Yes agree 100%
All scriptures were sent to Prophets which includes Jesus respectively
Jesus was God's servant like the rest of the Messengers.
Happy yo know this is conformed.
I'm surprised and disappointed to see that they're not wearing gloves
Me too imsocompusethat book coded about bible actuality a reading one book codex when I'm in study in theory of bible say back 2002
Everyone makes these claims that this is the oldest, ours is correct, jesus wanst the messiah, mt. Sinai isn't there its here. And all of us miss the point. The devil has won our souls because we fight over what is and was, but we should focus on the love it all means. Why does it matter what he looked like or his real name. The purpose is eternal life. What's so bad about that? Prasie God!
hmmmmmm , who actually wrote it ? nobody in the bible
Copied text, the original of which was inspired by the Holy Spirit, and spread through the oral tradition before it was written.
so u seen a holy ghost ? lol
+Boetica1960 www.vatileaks.com/vati-leaks/a-glaring-omission-in-world-s-oldest-bible
umm....so are you gonna tell us what it says? lmao
The bible was extremely similar to the Quran and it confirmed that Jesus was was a prophet and not son of God, it also confirmed that overtime the bible has been changed and edited by church’s to make Jesus seem like he’s god when he is a prophet
@@ekayy.8 Amen finally i found someone who gets it Thankyou
@@ekayy.8 care to get destroyed in a friendly debate?
Soooooo many "expert" comments to this video. Emphasis on "expert". Please note my sarcasm.
Nothing wrong with that
The importance lies I'm the proof of who Jesus was and is returning as ..........
can you prove it's real 1 thessalonians test all things hold fast what is good
Do you have no understanding of history? Do you not listen to what is presented in videos?? Try putting on subtitles….it might help you absorb what’s actually been said.
Youd think they would at least be wearing gloves. 🤡
It's an old myth long gone that you have to wear gloves. They put the books at risk.
@David Boehm - *There’s no excuse for not knowing something like this, bc you have the internet to check to see if you’re right, in literally seconds.* Next: _THE EXPERTS KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING,_ much better than people like you! As @S. P. wrote, you’re wrong. It is best to use clean hands when viewing rare books. White cotton gloves have never been sanctioned by old book experts bc you’re much more liable to drop the book-they’re very slippery-or rip a page while wearing them, and the books were made to be used by human hands. People use them to drive up prices of rare books as a stunt. Special gloves are required when looking at photographic works, and ivory bindings…but not the pages inside.
It was written in the 1800's. The Tischendorf story is so ludicrous as to be impossible.
Evidence, please? Sources, please?? Otherwise, stop writing such silly-no, ludicrous-accusations.
I can't believe you are not wearing cotton gloves while handling the book.
Big liy the oldest and the true Bible found Ethiopia and Eritrea only!
This Codex is a fake!
Yeah according to Protestants like you.
GLORY TO THE LORD GLORY TO THE ORTHODOXY
finally heretics will see that the orthodoxy is the only truth religion the truth WAY and orthodoxy (right way)
is the only way to heaven
orthodox dogma is the right one
not any1 not catholics not any other way
only orthodoxy
the orthodox bible is the same like codex sinaiticus peoples will see that is truth what i`m telling you
codex sinainticus have 151 psalms...like orthodox biblie
and many other things
thousand proof from the Bible Jesus Never Died .Paul made Him GOD so he Can Give the Christianity A Pauline Twist.
its the evidence that the gospels are a novel or a play, not the word of god at all
y do u believe that this is a play?
if He is a Living GOD then How come He Couldn't Save himself ?Beside the Oldest testament did Not mention Jesus is GOD. Uh yea Paul Made Him GOD
Jesus died for our sins. He sacrificed himself for us to save us from out sins!. He wasn't "killed" for nothing! that was his plan the whole time. If you have ever read the Bible from old testament to new than you would know Jesus was supposed to die on the cross. Jesus is God and even said he was many times and John even said he was God. You have no clue what you're talking about. I know this is from 6 years ago, but I'm posting this just if someone sees this they will will know the truth and not your lies!
I