C'mon man - when Kirk was here the entire fanbase was pissed because Kirk took the check down. Now Sam goes for it and that's wrong. Get your shit together and make up your mind. Also KOC designs the play and tells Sam which order to read them. If KOC wanted Sam to go to the check down he probably would have. As the playbook gets more instinctive for Darnold he'll probably start making the reads quicker, but that's all.
I wont lie, coming from kirk it is a bit funny that fans are now begging for check downs after the last few years claiming we dont push the ball down field enough. I know what you are getting at, but it does feel a bit ironic
@@ahastar1141I agree but with a rb like AJ you can check down. Also just looking at this film out tight ends and Jones were open so much it doesn’t make any sense to why he never threw to them. One play AJ was open for a touchdown plenty first down plays were available for out tight ends but he kept forcing the ball to JJ even when he knew it wasn’t there 🤦🏿♂️
So a few things. 1. The Vikings are 7-2. 2. There was no chance Darnold was going to continue to play at the level he was in the first few weeks. 3. Darold still hasn’t played that many games. So mistakes will happen. 4. Vikings - establish the damn run. A running game is a passing games best friend. You’ve got 3 quality backs. 5. Darnold - just limit the turnovers in the red zone. At least get field goals. This shouldn’t be that hard of an adjustment. 6. The Vikings are 7-2. Who expected that!!?? So the whole team, including Darnold, are at least meeting the highest expectations we could have had. So calm down people!!
2. There is every chance Sam can play at that early season level. He is still getting comfortable with the offence. Folks forget that Addison has missed over half the practices from pre-season. Sam had an off day throwing. Which QB doesn't? Otherwise many other aspects of his play seem to be improving each week - fewer fumbles, better RB handoffs, rare panic plays, effective rushing, play calls on time. 6. I did. And still expect 14-3, 15-2 and the division. Wasn't expecting the Lions to benefit from such a depleted Texans team - no Nico, Diggs, Will Anderson, Fatukasi. 7. Folks forget Sam is new to the offence and all the playmakers. Kirk had trouble mastering KOCs scheme, and he had the advantage of knowing all the playmakers. Also the D is very new, 6 or 7 of these guys didn't know each other and had never played together. They should get better from week to week as well. 8. Remember that the Defence just had a little slump or plateau as well, but they've come back better than ever. A plateau is a natural part of every learning curve. Sam has hit one. He'll come out the other side and most likely be better again.
I think the Vikings panic in the redzone thinking that we need to score as soon as we reach the 25. Realistically, we could take a few plays and check downs to work our way a bit closer. I mean up until this game the vikings had been a pretty decent redzone team
yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! think on ths is look at the actual plays that they were calling i mean they could have been better . the qb decides what plays he likes but damn these plays suck
His highs are very high, and his lows are very low. Honestly the offense was really moving the ball good this game, but Darnold kept trying to push the ball down the field too much.
They were crushing it with the run game and passes to TEs between the 20s because JAX put everything into stopping #18 and #3. They should have just kept doing that until JAX could stop it. The two end zone throws were unnecessarily greedy.
@@84goat28 disagree. Picks that are genuinely bad throws or bad decisions are much more concerning than picks that just happened in the situation or someone on the defense made a great play. The latter is much harder to replicate and isn’t as much of a cause for concern as a Qb making bad decisions or not throwing accurately is.
The second interception really hit the ground and should have been overturned, but Darnold also threw an ugly 4th pick that got called back due to penalty. As a Vikings fan I’m glad we won, but this is where having McCarthy healthy and ready to start if Darnold doesn’t improve his decision making would have been nice
I doubt they'd have benched Sam at 7-2, even if JJ was blowing the doors down in practice. Remember JJ looked awful in that pre-season game when the Raiders starters were out there. Sam marched straight down the field. JJ threw a pick 6 and multiple incompletions, and only got going in the second half against the Raiders practice squad and roster cuts - and they're one of the worst teams in the league. I don't think JJ will start until well into next season, maybe after the 2025 trade deadline. Don't be surprised if Sam is extended and starts week 1 in 2025.
@@RHCollector He might not be ready to go week 1. He wasn't ready to go week 1 this season and his rehab could take the whole year - so I guess your plan is to go with Mullens week 1 2025.
I think that one at 4:50 could have been a better throw but it seems like a D Lineman got to him seemingly cutting his follow through short. Might have been a factor.
At USC Darnold would often go for the deep receiver when other guys were open. He connected on a surprising number of those throws. In the pros he has continued to have success downfield. What bothers me more is that he seems fixated on Jefferson.
This whole week was very off for a lot of Quarterbacks. Shit, Jared Goff threw for 5 interceptions and he's been playing at an MVP level all season. There's always going to be a few weird games and hiccups along the way.
Couple of those plays everyone is covered and I give props to jags there. In the other hand, Darnold had 2 check downs on 1 play you showed and the Aaron jones route he threw to looked like Jets as a better option.
He doesn't go through his progressions. He targets a receiver and ignores his other options and that is his biggest problem. It also looks like the plays have no spacing. Two and three Vikes are bunching in the area and that puts more problems on the QB to fit them in. Typical rent a QB Vikes
I’m noticing a lack of open receivers, a stacked secondary and an oline that’s struggling to contain 4 pass rushers. Not placing all blame on Darnold. We need to start getting more creative with screens and check downs.
at 4:00 on that play darnold is about to get hit as he throws the ball. When you look at when he has to get rid of the ball due to pressure, no one is open. Addison is really the only one with a chance at catching a ball when he has to get rid of it and he almost throws him open. I dont know if you can call it a missed throw when he cant step into the throw and hes trying to throw someone open with a guy in his face.
I actually like what they did here even tho the average jabroni will get scared and pout. This was the perfect game and time in the season to try to spread the ball around and take some chances to see where we are at and evaluate our depth. This game was treated as a practice. Yes, they almost lost. But, I think they were doing research and development on depth players to see what and who needs work for the final push in the playoffs. Keeping our star players healthy going into the playoffs and not treating every game like the SB is just plain smart. Don't believe me, here put on these rose colored glasses...
KOC preaches having a “quiet mind and short memory” when sitting in the pocket as QB. It’s the reason Darnold is actually good this year. However yesterday that philosophy proved that there needs to be a balance.
Well it was also a questionable throw. I can see why he was irritated with Darnold, these are the types of decisions that have reared their ugly head lately more often than not
Couple things this tape brings to light: Ed Ingram (Vikings #67) is absolutely awful, and is constantly giving up pressures. Many Vikings fans already know this. The first interception was obvious PI on Jefferson which was not called, but a poor choice by Darnold regardless. Darnold needs to progress through reads faster, get rid of the ball faster, and take the checkdown more often (but not Kirk Cousins often). One thing not shown in this tape but was obvious in the game: every single interception was a late ball.
I think Kevin O Connell told Darnold to test out throwing even when the target was covered, to work on doing this - while playing a bad team that the Vikings were probably going to beat anyway. What better way to test out some new stuff, a way to get Darnold used to throwing into coverage? The trouble was, Sam threw BEHIND the receiver in almost all instances. Whether that was because he banged his hand, or just misjudged it, we will never know. Kevin O Connell seemed very chill about the whole thing, however.
QB's with above average physical talent but horrible decision making ability: Jeff George, Sam Darnold. QB's with below average physical talent, but excellent decision making ability: Joe Montana, Tom Brady. So which QB's are better? I know who I'd take.
Let’s be honest, Jeff George was a much better decision maker than Sam Darnold. George had a gunslinger arm, but not quite the gun slinger mentality. He was much better at going through his reads and playing efficient football than Darnold, who tries to fit it into every window. George was fantastic at working from his underneath reads to his over the top progressions and finding them when it mattered. Darnold has gotten better at not staring guys down, but still has plenty of work to do with going through his other reads
the viking don't have tall receiver for contested throw for Danorld style of letting the receiver win. Chargers used to draft ton of 6'4-5" guys for jump ball. Calvin johnson is 6'4" TEs are taller but they don't jump as well. Darnold needs to look at other wrs just run it more.
I like him. Cousins didn't take chances - to a fault. It took Cousins years and years to become what he is and was the prior 3 years. And his lack of mobility was a big negative. When he left Washington no other teams wanted him including Washington.
A lot of his throws, especially the bad ones are just late. He’s also misses open receivers on his reads. It’s like he has his mind made up so he doesn’t even look at a read
Sam is just staring down the WR on the his first endzone interception he throws. Forget the pass. Watch Sam's feet. He just sits there for 3 seconds bouncing & staring down a covered JJ instead of moving to his 2nd wide open Arron Jones on a short crosser and sure TD. waving his hands and crossing uncovered to a TD. KOC has to get Sam back to moving through progressions. KOC's recent mantra to Sam, that JJ is open even when he is covered is not sound and is causing problems. Vikings have JJ, Addison Hock and A Jones. Move through the progressions!
Barely able to hang on? Bud they dominated the game throughout. The Jags had 60 yards of offence and 15 minutes time of possession in the last 70 minutes of the game. The Jags narrowly avoided a slaughter.
Darnold is starting to feel the pressure of expectations. Nobody had any at the beginning of the season. He was a clear "stop-gap" with the QB of the future on the shelf. But he played lights-out to start the season. Then lights-out became the expecatation, and he's forcing some things now. He's still the best we have and it's not even close. Look at just about any QB who's not afraid to put it into tight spots and trust his receivers and they probably throw their share of picks. Brett Favre immediately comes to mind among others. Sam will continue to make great throws. And he will continue to throw picks. Hopefully not too many in the red zone.
I noticed on several plays that the check down is wide open…
C'mon man - when Kirk was here the entire fanbase was pissed because Kirk took the check down. Now Sam goes for it and that's wrong. Get your shit together and make up your mind.
Also KOC designs the play and tells Sam which order to read them. If KOC wanted Sam to go to the check down he probably would have. As the playbook gets more instinctive for Darnold he'll probably start making the reads quicker, but that's all.
Wide open. I think Darnold is feeling rushed and time has sped up on him again because he is clearly not seeing the whole field
I wont lie, coming from kirk it is a bit funny that fans are now begging for check downs after the last few years claiming we dont push the ball down field enough. I know what you are getting at, but it does feel a bit ironic
@@ahastar1141I agree but with a rb like AJ you can check down. Also just looking at this film out tight ends and Jones were open so much it doesn’t make any sense to why he never threw to them. One play AJ was open for a touchdown plenty first down plays were available for out tight ends but he kept forcing the ball to JJ even when he knew it wasn’t there 🤦🏿♂️
@@ahastar1141 Kirk was and is a solid QB, I never understood the flak he got from my fellow vikings fans
So a few things.
1. The Vikings are 7-2.
2. There was no chance Darnold was going to continue to play at the level he was in the first few weeks.
3. Darold still hasn’t played that many games. So mistakes will happen.
4. Vikings - establish the damn run. A running game is a passing games best friend. You’ve got 3 quality backs.
5. Darnold - just limit the turnovers in the red zone. At least get field goals. This shouldn’t be that hard of an adjustment.
6. The Vikings are 7-2. Who expected that!!?? So the whole team, including Darnold, are at least meeting the highest expectations we could have had. So calm down people!!
2. There is every chance Sam can play at that early season level. He is still getting comfortable with the offence. Folks forget that Addison has missed over half the practices from pre-season. Sam had an off day throwing. Which QB doesn't? Otherwise many other aspects of his play seem to be improving each week - fewer fumbles, better RB handoffs, rare panic plays, effective rushing, play calls on time.
6. I did. And still expect 14-3, 15-2 and the division. Wasn't expecting the Lions to benefit from such a depleted Texans team - no Nico, Diggs, Will Anderson, Fatukasi.
7. Folks forget Sam is new to the offence and all the playmakers. Kirk had trouble mastering KOCs scheme, and he had the advantage of knowing all the playmakers. Also the D is very new, 6 or 7 of these guys didn't know each other and had never played together. They should get better from week to week as well.
8. Remember that the Defence just had a little slump or plateau as well, but they've come back better than ever. A plateau is a natural part of every learning curve. Sam has hit one. He'll come out the other side and most likely be better again.
I think the Vikings panic in the redzone thinking that we need to score as soon as we reach the 25. Realistically, we could take a few plays and check downs to work our way a bit closer. I mean up until this game the vikings had been a pretty decent redzone team
Darrisaw getting hurt makes it harder to pass block and run block though.
@@ahastar1141 You answered the non-problem in your last sentence. So let's not overreact to a one game anomaly then?
I agree but I feel like he was forcing the ball to JJ to much . Also a couple plays Addison and Oliver were wide open for first downs and more.
Let's talk about the play calling....
Koc needs to let go of his ego and let Phillips call plays. I bet the team would be better off!
yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! think on ths is look at the actual plays that they were calling i mean they could have been better . the qb decides what plays he likes but damn these plays suck
His highs are very high, and his lows are very low. Honestly the offense was really moving the ball good this game, but Darnold kept trying to push the ball down the field too much.
They were crushing it with the run game and passes to TEs between the 20s because JAX put everything into stopping #18 and #3. They should have just kept doing that until JAX could stop it. The two end zone throws were unnecessarily greedy.
You just described the difference between guys who end up being avg starting qbs and guys who end up as back ups.
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6:06 Aaron Jones for the TD.
I feel like KOc needs to create plays for Addison like the game in GB
Goff threw 5 ints last game and they barely beat the Texans who we throttled
2 were tips and 1 was a hail mary, and they had Al Shaair back. But I agree that the Vikings should still not be worried.
@@ProLeopardx1picks are picks
@@84goat28 disagree. Picks that are genuinely bad throws or bad decisions are much more concerning than picks that just happened in the situation or someone on the defense made a great play. The latter is much harder to replicate and isn’t as much of a cause for concern as a Qb making bad decisions or not throwing accurately is.
I’m not worried I followed Sam’s career one thing is true he always plays better the second half of the season
I hope so, because the 2nd half of the season starts this Sunday.
The second interception really hit the ground and should have been overturned, but Darnold also threw an ugly 4th pick that got called back due to penalty. As a Vikings fan I’m glad we won, but this is where having McCarthy healthy and ready to start if Darnold doesn’t improve his decision making would have been nice
I doubt they'd have benched Sam at 7-2, even if JJ was blowing the doors down in practice. Remember JJ looked awful in that pre-season game when the Raiders starters were out there. Sam marched straight down the field. JJ threw a pick 6 and multiple incompletions, and only got going in the second half against the Raiders practice squad and roster cuts - and they're one of the worst teams in the league.
I don't think JJ will start until well into next season, maybe after the 2025 trade deadline. Don't be surprised if Sam is extended and starts week 1 in 2025.
@@robe2504unless he wins the sb, I bet money in the bank that JJ will start in 2025.
I saw alot of open wr or rb on those plays you showed. Darnold needs to spread the ball.
@@RHCollector He might not be ready to go week 1. He wasn't ready to go week 1 this season and his rehab could take the whole year - so I guess your plan is to go with Mullens week 1 2025.
I think that one at 4:50 could have been a better throw but it seems like a D Lineman got to him seemingly cutting his follow through short. Might have been a factor.
At USC Darnold would often go for the deep receiver when other guys were open. He connected on a surprising number of those throws. In the pros he has continued to have success downfield. What bothers me more is that he seems fixated on Jefferson.
This whole week was very off for a lot of Quarterbacks. Shit, Jared Goff threw for 5 interceptions and he's been playing at an MVP level all season. There's always going to be a few weird games and hiccups along the way.
Couple of those plays everyone is covered and I give props to jags there. In the other hand, Darnold had 2 check downs on 1 play you showed and the Aaron jones route he threw to looked like Jets as a better option.
He doesn't go through his progressions. He targets a receiver and ignores his other options and that is his biggest problem. It also looks like the plays have no spacing. Two and three Vikes are bunching in the area and that puts more problems on the QB to fit them in. Typical rent a QB Vikes
seriusly its about time to did film on the vikings we been waiting all season for it.
I’m noticing a lack of open receivers, a stacked secondary and an oline that’s struggling to contain 4 pass rushers. Not placing all blame on Darnold. We need to start getting more creative with screens and check downs.
INT #1 was without question a penalty, INT #2 was NOT a catch. Refs were horrible.
at 4:00 on that play darnold is about to get hit as he throws the ball. When you look at when he has to get rid of the ball due to pressure, no one is open. Addison is really the only one with a chance at catching a ball when he has to get rid of it and he almost throws him open. I dont know if you can call it a missed throw when he cant step into the throw and hes trying to throw someone open with a guy in his face.
I actually like what they did here even tho the average jabroni will get scared and pout. This was the perfect game and time in the season to try to spread the ball around and take some chances to see where we are at and evaluate our depth. This game was treated as a practice. Yes, they almost lost. But, I think they were doing research and development on depth players to see what and who needs work for the final push in the playoffs. Keeping our star players healthy going into the playoffs and not treating every game like the SB is just plain smart. Don't believe me, here put on these rose colored glasses...
KOC preaches having a “quiet mind and short memory” when sitting in the pocket as QB. It’s the reason Darnold is actually good this year. However yesterday that philosophy proved that there needs to be a balance.
Receivers didn’t get open. Still horrible decisions and throws by Darnold
How about no receivers open
Offensive plays are simple, we doesn’t confuse no defenses
Jefferson is a prima Donna . When the ball is intercepted in front of him he loafs.
Also over paid!
Well it was also a questionable throw. I can see why he was irritated with Darnold, these are the types of decisions that have reared their ugly head lately more often than not
Can you make a video on Justin Herbert ?
Good points. You can't run an offense, successfully, thru one WR1 (Jefferson). Fearful Darnold does not have the skills to read multiple routes.
Couple things this tape brings to light: Ed Ingram (Vikings #67) is absolutely awful, and is constantly giving up pressures. Many Vikings fans already know this. The first interception was obvious PI on Jefferson which was not called, but a poor choice by Darnold regardless. Darnold needs to progress through reads faster, get rid of the ball faster, and take the checkdown more often (but not Kirk Cousins often). One thing not shown in this tape but was obvious in the game: every single interception was a late ball.
5:17 tell me this is not holding
I’ll wait
I can’t, because it is holding.
Definitely holding that turns into PI Vegas fix along with the int that hit the ground on the 2nd pick
I think Kevin O Connell told Darnold to test out throwing even when the target was covered, to work on doing this - while playing a bad team that the Vikings were probably going to beat anyway. What better way to test out some new stuff, a way to get Darnold used to throwing into coverage? The trouble was, Sam threw BEHIND the receiver in almost all instances. Whether that was because he banged his hand, or just misjudged it, we will never know. Kevin O Connell seemed very chill about the whole thing, however.
Not a sam problem. ITS A KOC PROBLEM. Also nobody is getting opened. Nobody.
QB's with above average physical talent but horrible decision making ability: Jeff George, Sam Darnold. QB's with below average physical talent, but excellent decision making ability: Joe Montana, Tom Brady.
So which QB's are better? I know who I'd take.
Let’s be honest, Jeff George was a much better decision maker than Sam Darnold. George had a gunslinger arm, but not quite the gun slinger mentality. He was much better at going through his reads and playing efficient football than Darnold, who tries to fit it into every window. George was fantastic at working from his underneath reads to his over the top progressions and finding them when it mattered. Darnold has gotten better at not staring guys down, but still has plenty of work to do with going through his other reads
Mahomes disproves that entire argument.
Darnold looks like he is throwing the pass too late.
Darnold doesn't go through his reads. Two of those interceptions there was someone wide open underneath.
the viking don't have tall receiver for contested throw for Danorld style of letting the receiver win. Chargers used to draft ton of 6'4-5" guys for jump ball. Calvin johnson is 6'4" TEs are taller but they don't jump as well. Darnold needs to look at other wrs just run it more.
I said to a lot of my friends who are vikings fans wait til the middle of the season for Darnold to regress. And I was correct
He played a bad game, we are 7-2. i believe in Sam Darnold, he is going to do great things for us this year. 💯
Well to quote the creator of this video…”we’ll see what happens”
Jared Goff threw 5 INTs yesterday. Everybody has shit games sometimes.
come on man it was 1 bad game lol, we still 7-2. every nfc north qb played bad.
I like him. Cousins didn't take chances - to a fault. It took Cousins years and years to become what he is and was the prior 3 years. And his lack of mobility was a big negative. When he left Washington no other teams wanted him including Washington.
A lot of his throws, especially the bad ones are just late. He’s also misses open receivers on his reads. It’s like he has his mind made up so he doesn’t even look at a read
Are we ready to say that Trevor is sooo much better than everyone gives him credit for?
Sam is just staring down the WR on the his first endzone interception he throws. Forget the pass. Watch Sam's feet. He just sits there for 3 seconds bouncing & staring down a covered JJ instead of moving to his 2nd wide open Arron Jones on a short crosser and sure TD. waving his hands and crossing uncovered to a TD. KOC has to get Sam back to moving through progressions. KOC's recent mantra to Sam, that JJ is open even when he is covered is not sound and is causing problems. Vikings have JJ, Addison Hock and A Jones. Move through the progressions!
Do Purdy next
You never have almost turnovers for Baker because that whole fikm
Barely able to hang on? Bud they dominated the game throughout. The Jags had 60 yards of offence and 15 minutes time of possession in the last 70 minutes of the game. The Jags narrowly avoided a slaughter.
Darnold is Nega-Kirk and I’m ok with that.
He needs to calm down and just go through his reads. Check it down! Also, I think they need to use Aaron Jones more.
Darnold is starting to feel the pressure of expectations. Nobody had any at the beginning of the season. He was a clear "stop-gap" with the QB of the future on the shelf. But he played lights-out to start the season. Then lights-out became the expecatation, and he's forcing some things now. He's still the best we have and it's not even close. Look at just about any QB who's not afraid to put it into tight spots and trust his receivers and they probably throw their share of picks. Brett Favre immediately comes to mind among others. Sam will continue to make great throws. And he will continue to throw picks. Hopefully not too many in the red zone.
No
Sam Darnold is a mediocre QB. Nothing wrong with that. I am below mediocre in almost every category.