These lawyers wants acquittal on identity not the issue of Whether there were no intruders. The strategy is on identity as I see it. The problem with the version that there were no intruders is that you must prove, who in the house killed Senzo. So better cast doubt on identity
Am not a lawyer but the interactions in between the judge and the defense feel like is not proper because that is giving the witness credit...such interactions need to be held close door...
The judge is too far ahead of himself. The counsel can't say there were no intruders in the house, because that's not their space. Theirs is to prove that their clients were not there.
Yes they can say there were no intruders if they can dig enough, secondly, you are right, their duty is to prove that their clients were never there, I think that was the exact argument from the judge, and he also made some examples on how to argue on that matter, for instance you can try to prove that your client was in KZN instead of disputing that there was ever a gun, he asked what was the court about, he said if you are saying there was never intruders or Makhumalo never cooked then put it to this witness, they were asked if they are saying there was never a gun shot and they all put their tails between the legs, the judge is top notch 🔥🔥
I just wish Mshololo doesn't lose focus. She must not forget to ask this question. Did intruders finally manage to get what they went there for. The money and cell phones.
If Mthoko slept over at Marlberton a day before the incident,how were sleeping arrangements? Zandi claims the last time she saw longwe before the incident was a day before then my question is,why did Senzo had to introduce Longwe to Mthokozisi coz they obviously saw each other a day before.Mthokozisi said that was his first time seeing Longwe but he slpet at Marlberton the same place Longwe was with Zandi a day before
This adv hit the nail on the head. He has actually done his homework. Congratulations adv for bringing to light the hidden fact that even puzzled the judge.
Zandi shouldn't be asking the lawyers to slow down their pace or speak louder because she has a Zulu interpreter who's meant to translate what the lawyer is saying to her from English to Zulu, why does she need the lawyer to speak louder cause from my basic understanding of the need of an interpreter is to translate a language you do not understand or extremely basic in. So they must speak louder for you to understand what exactly, awusizwa nje isingisi? I think given that she clearly understands the lawyers in English, the interpretation is just used to buy extra time for her to process the questions from the lawyers and her answers before they are translated to her in Zulu.
Listening to the judge I find it that he is somehow making it difficult for the counsels to cross examine accordingly. I see they have different approaches to this matter. May they be allowed to approach it from different angles. Definately each of them know where they are leading the court to at the end
If you watch Firsr 48hrs, no matter how traumatised witnesses are, police always interview them. This is because the first 48hrs are critical. Even children are interviewed with the help of a ed and dev psychologist. These ppl were allowed to stay overnight before giving statements. Wow!!! This is weird!
How do you push a person towards a door pointing a gun, theres no such,the reasonableman approach would be to run ,hide ,unless is someone you know & you trying to reason with them to put the gun away.
@@mphomangole3768... I put it to you that Adv Teffo was the one cracked this case wide open. He may have not had a perfect strategy, by he executed fairly well to bring us all to a closer understanding of this matter
I still ask! Why did Mthoko call Senzos brother and told him that Zenzo has been shot by mistake? And is the state going to pay these poor guys for their time in Prison
Yeah but they all failed to use correct words for p o p. Which is plaster of paris. Instead they chose the wrong word that is concord, wrong. Concord meaning agreement.
The judge himself was puzzled by the question of the advocate who correctly refused to let go. Later the judge realized that he made a mistake and corrected himself. As with Baloyi, he's still in the dark as regards to the defense lawyer's question. Hope Baloyi will get it right second time.
ive been asking this from the very first time Zandi and them started testifying, seems as if Baloyi is defending the Khumalos. Or maybe he just want the accused in custody to remain there.
Remember he is the prosecutor so he is representing the deceased. Or the state his role is to protect the state witnesses and make sure the accused are arrested.
Sanibonani ekhaya, Iya, remember that I stated that the judge dismissed adv. Ramosepele’s line of questioning wrongly, using an association fallacy, that the statement that Zandile made is correct because our police messes up statements. I even supported my argument by stating that we have successful prosecution in this country from police statements. But of importance was that I stated that if it was adv. Mnisi he would pushback from that objection and he will defend his statement. And we saw that. Again judge Ratha Mokgoatheng seem to not writing stuff down and that worries me a lot, why I am saying that judge Ratha’s almost sustained an objection that he himself was not arguing for. Vaseline’s objection is misguided because he is stating that the determination of the suspects will be made by the police. However, adv. Mnisi is categorically stating that no one was ever arrested meeting the description of Zandile. The judge then accussed adv.Mnisi for saying that the intruder will never be arrested. Family this is important, because it was the judge that unfairly stopped adv. Ramosepele’s line of questioning, because that statement was signed by Zandile and she agreed that it was read to her, now for a judge to believe Zandile’s statement with a fallacy is totally troubling. Adv. Ramoseple was trying to demonstrate that Zandile’s statements have a lot of descrepencies for her to be taken as a credible witness. If the state then quiry that, it was for them to prove that the police inserted what Zandile did not say in the statement, not adv.Ramosepele, or not to throw the police who did his/her job under the bus without any evidence. This part I was totally not happy about, because it is the compilation if these things that seem little that demonstrates to anyone including Vaseline that the witness is not credible, she changes statements over and over again.
The judge just guided these defense Lawyers on how argue their case. This man has got no patience for this time waisting, he wants to finish this case as soon as possible
I understand the defenses' argument. All they are saying is, if there were intruders, it was not their clients. This is probably easier to argue than proving there were no intruders at all
True, but then that would prolong and start another loop of searching for said intruders again which the judge is trying to prevent given its been almost 10 years
@@unHingedBaddie if the accussed are found innocent then those who were at the house will be the next suspects bcz their testimonies will be contradicting
@Glamorurous so you saying, because the matter has not been resolved for 10 years, the judge needs to close it off by findings someone guilty whether rightfully so or not?
In all the drama that is happening in court by Zandile, I have noticed that the judge is too soft when it comes to Zandile , she is doing as she pleases in court, when a witness have chose to speak isizulu or what ever language, he must stick to it till he or she finish testimony for the sake of the record but Zandile mixes now and again and the judge is keeping quiet not reprimanding her. Even rudeness not clarifying to her that she is in witness box is there to answer questions not to ask questions but sometimes she is the one asking questions. Am watching this judge true
The judge is just about causing confusion. The line of question by the two previous guys is around identifying their clients as those intruders. There could have been intruders but failure to positively link the accused to those exonerates their clients. Then it becomes a case of mistaken identity - aaii!!
The judge is on point just like Maumela, the defense for the accused are just incompetent, they are scoring their own goals 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂, it's so embarrassing shame 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Shortage of correct Court interpretation "...to get rid of him by SMS" ... "Ukumsusa nge SMS" not "uiuhlukana naye nge SMS as interprer says Someone must assist there The Interpreter's Post is clearly Vacant.... A temporary interprer could be employed...
The affidavit from the undisclosed person leads the case to that direction, even besides Teffos suggestion...the undisclosed witness says there was a call between him and Tumelo and the content thereafter is that there was a fight between Longwe and Zandi and Senzo was unintentionally shot. I expected that the advocate will put it to Zandi that there was a fight between herself and Longwe. All they'll need after that is prove that the was call between Tumelo and the undisclosed witness and the second will be clearly valid
The judge forgets that those lawyer are there to prove that their clients are not the ones who shot Senzo, so their line of questioning is relavent to prove. It might happen that they are found innocent which means the state has to arrest other people again
The judge is simply saying that the defense counsel are loosing the case and that they should change tactics, HE IS ACTUALLY HELPING THE DEFENSE, I agree with him, so far nothing has been presented to help the accused
Up to so far adv Mnisì and adv Ngumallo is like there's no communication between the defense (all of them )YOU must know that MUTHI IS playing a big role(khumalo s daughters) Let us wait for adv Mshololo on Monday KEEP ON PRAYING FO
He(Judge) was extremely wrong to have done so... He cannot dictate a legal approach of counsels, after all, every legal practitioner has their own way and approach
@@ngcobothulasizweian...by disputing the 'act', you are exposing the contradictions of the witness (thus deeming him/her UNRELIABLE). Remember, in the court of law, a legal practitioner understands the importance of proving 'Beyond Reasonable Doubts' when arguing a matter.
Not really loosing as such. Actually, it would be very unprofessional and unacceptable if a judge would take it upon him/herself to assist either side. He is simply telling them not to waste time asking irrelevant questions that do not help their case in anyway. Remember the defense lawyers are not there to pin any case on anyone. That is not their brief/mandate; they are simply there to get their clients acquitted & nothing else.
Mina am failing to understand whether imthetho wenkantolo yini to give answers in a rude way...as far as I know this is a very professional place ever..idlula nephalamende
It’s high time Senzo’s family and friends accept there won’t be any justice in this case since there’s someone very powerful being protected. I wasn’t surprised by the appointment of this judge
The Khumalo 's family they thought they are special to this South Africa , Wafa u Meyiwa bekhona bonke endlini akekho umuntu owangena kubantu abangaka Nani ngiyabona ukuthi anihlakaniphanga ngoba ninonke nje
Zandi didn't even check her boyfriend(longer) after she went out. Instead she goes out to look for a neighbor and never even for once checked if Longwe was ok, her . Poor story telling skills.
What u guys do not observe is that the 4 lawyers work together and thet avoid repetition which annoys the judge because he can see zandi response. Mshololo even said it's still coming so rest judge rest
Major closing today. Defense counsels for accused #1 to #3 do not contest the version told by those inside the house which says the intruders came in the house and shot Meyiwa.
Zandi, give the description of what you saw, not what you think the lawyer is implying. how did you get this far with this manner of answering questions in a court room?
😂😂😂 what....!Kelly knew the day she said yes to Senzo that she can't trust him hence she was married. All she wanted was to be his wife. Sadly she was not gonna get that 🤣🤣 we all know how married men are.He was not going to leave his wife for her. Bitter pill to swallow.Kelly was a side chick and she wanted to bulldoze the wife😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣is it me or vele this advocate looks very funny at all angles……the defence approach this case with a narrow approach and this really might help their clients away but won’t help us get to the real killers of senzo and I’m so glad the judge has given them a free advice
Why is the court questioning suspects, everyone who was in that house must be sentenced with murder of Senzo until they identify the right person who killed him.
Each of the 1st 3 defense lawyers is saying my client didn't do it....and its not their job to catch the killer...it's their job to defend their clients
Lol so Zandile wants us to believe that mo kasi , 2 random gents would enter a house full of people at 8pm to rob them? I mean the house if full of people , firstly they wouldn’t have known what are the people in the house have in their possession and how many are there.. it’s highly impossible that happened especially not at 8pm. Neighbours are not even asleep at that time but it is highly possible fight broke at 8 because they were starting to be drunk and an argument ensued. #My2cents
These guys must be released. How do you arrest 5 people when only two people entered the house. It simply means 3 of them are totally innocent. Because they can’t identify two guilty ones, release them a and stop wasting their time
Why did the judge insist that Zandi must also hear Adv Nxumalo whereas she has a Zulu interpreter? The advocate said that he is audible to the interpreter, Mr Jonas?
Well done Minisi. Your patience is your weapon, she is starting to crack. That is why she is getting annoyed
These lawyers wants acquittal on identity not the issue of Whether there were no intruders. The strategy is on identity as I see it. The problem with the version that there were no intruders is that you must prove, who in the house killed Senzo. So better cast doubt on identity
Advocate Nxumalo 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥👌❤
Am not a lawyer but the interactions in between the judge and the defense feel like is not proper because that is giving the witness credit...such interactions need to be held close door...
The judge is too far ahead of himself. The counsel can't say there were no intruders in the house, because that's not their space. Theirs is to prove that their clients were not there.
Yes they can say there were no intruders if they can dig enough, secondly, you are right, their duty is to prove that their clients were never there, I think that was the exact argument from the judge, and he also made some examples on how to argue on that matter, for instance you can try to prove that your client was in KZN instead of disputing that there was ever a gun, he asked what was the court about, he said if you are saying there was never intruders or Makhumalo never cooked then put it to this witness, they were asked if they are saying there was never a gun shot and they all put their tails between the legs, the judge is top notch 🔥🔥
We mustyjump 6he gun about the fact that there were no intruders that came into the house, counselsare getting there during closing arguments
I just wish Mshololo doesn't lose focus. She must not forget to ask this question. Did intruders finally manage to get what they went there for. The money and cell phones.
@Mshololo😂
You can hear from her testimony that she is telling lies and she is derespectful because she knwos who killed Senzo
The judge shall bring JUSTICE fo Senzo Meyiwa's family inshAllah
If Mthoko slept over at Marlberton a day before the incident,how were sleeping arrangements?
Zandi claims the last time she saw longwe before the incident was a day before then my question is,why did Senzo had to introduce Longwe to Mthokozisi coz they obviously saw each other a day before.Mthokozisi said that was his first time seeing Longwe but he slpet at Marlberton the same place Longwe was with Zandi a day before
Eish that's another nkinga ke le
Listening is a skill... Listen carefully & seek clarity in your listing. Coz when u listen with the intent of finding fault u will confuse yourself
"you hide a stolen when the owner comes" otherwise you gon be punished for a meat you didn't eat😂😂😂
Your questions sir 👌 💯 you know what you doing
This adv hit the nail on the head. He has actually done his homework. Congratulations adv for bringing to light the hidden fact that even puzzled the judge.
Baloyi is a problem he object 2 much admit as if he hide something or love Lorain
Which point pls
Zandi shouldn't be asking the lawyers to slow down their pace or speak louder because she has a Zulu interpreter who's meant to translate what the lawyer is saying to her from English to Zulu, why does she need the lawyer to speak louder cause from my basic understanding of the need of an interpreter is to translate a language you do not understand or extremely basic in. So they must speak louder for you to understand what exactly, awusizwa nje isingisi? I think given that she clearly understands the lawyers in English, the interpretation is just used to buy extra time for her to process the questions from the lawyers and her answers before they are translated to her in Zulu.
O e bone taba struuuu!!!!!👏👏👏👏👏
Listening to the judge I find it that he is somehow making it difficult for the counsels to cross examine accordingly. I see they have different approaches to this matter. May they be allowed to approach it from different angles. Definately each of them know where they are leading the court to at the end
He's interrupting too much..yoh
If you watch Firsr 48hrs, no matter how traumatised witnesses are, police always interview them. This is because the first 48hrs are critical. Even children are interviewed with the help of a ed and dev psychologist. These ppl were allowed to stay overnight before giving statements. Wow!!! This is weird!
That judge must be the chief justice of South Africa for real
Not so. There brilliant men and women in this country who are fit for the job
How do you push a person towards a door pointing a gun, theres no such,the reasonableman approach would be to run ,hide ,unless is someone you know & you trying to reason with them to put the gun away.
A sculary cannot accommodate 8 people
Nxla imagine 😏😏🙄
Only Teffo did drop bombshells when coming to no intruders entered the house. His sources are wow
Unsubstantiated bombshells?😩
Well done advocate for reading those text messages i loved the part which says i will be free from him it was premeditated murder for senzo
I will be free Friday m him .. nah it means nothing
At what stage of the recording
Confusing lies Zandile
I wish teffo could come back, because he always said "I put it to you that there were no intruders..."
Unfortunately no sir. Tefo would have messed up even further.
@@mphomangole3768... I put it to you that Adv Teffo was the one cracked this case wide open.
He may have not had a perfect strategy, by he executed fairly well to bring us all to a closer understanding of this matter
Omsollo Adv wanst the glory
Viva Teffo
😅and put it to her!!
I still ask! Why did Mthoko call Senzos brother and told him that Zenzo has been shot by mistake? And is the state going to pay these poor guys for their time in Prison
I hope they will seek compensation!
Mara how can you push someone having a gun in his hand,cause they were supposed to get scared it's confusing
imagine and in a small kitchen why bengabambanga umuntu
Why didn't he shoot at that point , where was the gun 🤔 😕 😐
How did they push armed intruders.
Inganekwane le 🙌🏾🚮🚮🚮😂😂
It's actually "grab and push"... even worse. Not even "grab the gun"😂😅
#longwe
The judge is on point
Yeah but they all failed to use correct words for p o p. Which is plaster of paris. Instead they chose the wrong word that is concord, wrong. Concord meaning agreement.
The judge himself was puzzled by the question of the advocate who correctly refused to let go. Later the judge realized that he made a mistake and corrected himself.
As with Baloyi, he's still in the dark as regards to the defense lawyer's question. Hope Baloyi will get it right second time.
So Baloyi is no longer a prosecutor he's now Zandi's advocate 😢😢😢
ive been asking this from the very first time Zandi and them started testifying, seems as if Baloyi is defending the Khumalos. Or maybe he just want the accused in custody to remain there.
Remember he is the prosecutor so he is representing the deceased. Or the state his role is to protect the state witnesses and make sure the accused are arrested.
All the accussed are going to be acquitted, the descriptions are contradictory from one witness to the other.
Sanibonani ekhaya, Iya, remember that I stated that the judge dismissed adv. Ramosepele’s line of questioning wrongly, using an association fallacy, that the statement that Zandile made is correct because our police messes up statements. I even supported my argument by stating that we have successful prosecution in this country from police statements.
But of importance was that I stated that if it was adv. Mnisi he would pushback from that objection and he will defend his statement. And we saw that.
Again judge Ratha Mokgoatheng seem to not writing stuff down and that worries me a lot, why I am saying that judge Ratha’s almost sustained an objection that he himself was not arguing for.
Vaseline’s objection is misguided because he is stating that the determination of the suspects will be made by the police. However, adv. Mnisi is categorically stating that no one was ever arrested meeting the description of Zandile.
The judge then accussed adv.Mnisi for saying that the intruder will never be arrested. Family this is important, because it was the judge that unfairly stopped adv. Ramosepele’s line of questioning, because that statement was signed by Zandile and she agreed that it was read to her, now for a judge to believe Zandile’s statement with a fallacy is totally troubling.
Adv. Ramoseple was trying to demonstrate that Zandile’s statements have a lot of descrepencies for her to be taken as a credible witness. If the state then quiry that, it was for them to prove that the police inserted what Zandile did not say in the statement, not adv.Ramosepele, or not to throw the police who did his/her job under the bus without any evidence.
This part I was totally not happy about, because it is the compilation if these things that seem little that demonstrates to anyone including Vaseline that the witness is not credible, she changes statements over and over again.
full respect for judge 🎉🎉❤❤
The judge just guided these defense Lawyers on how argue their case. This man has got no patience for this time waisting, he wants to finish this case as soon as possible
I agree with you
M so disappointed ku defense counsel
The judge doesn't buy the story of the intruders and was silently praying for the defence team to say it.They kind of disappointed him😂😊
Mr objection is annoying me
😂😂😂
I understand the defenses' argument. All they are saying is, if there were intruders, it was not their clients. This is probably easier to argue than proving there were no intruders at all
They are all intelligent!
I agree
True, but then that would prolong and start another loop of searching for said intruders again which the judge is trying to prevent given its been almost 10 years
@@unHingedBaddie if the accussed are found innocent then those who were at the house will be the next suspects bcz their testimonies will be contradicting
@Glamorurous so you saying, because the matter has not been resolved for 10 years, the judge needs to close it off by findings someone guilty whether rightfully so or not?
At the same time the judge is assisting the other's lawyers to adjust their line of questioning...
In all the drama that is happening in court by Zandile, I have noticed that the judge is too soft when it comes to Zandile , she is doing as she pleases in court, when a witness have chose to speak isizulu or what ever language, he must stick to it till he or she finish testimony for the sake of the record but Zandile mixes now and again and the judge is keeping quiet not reprimanding her. Even rudeness not clarifying to her that she is in witness box is there to answer questions not to ask questions but sometimes she is the one asking questions. Am watching this judge true
This judge is limiting the cross examination..he already has a predetermined judgement..very astonishing
The judge is just about causing confusion. The line of question by the two previous guys is around identifying their clients as those intruders.
There could have been intruders but failure to positively link the accused to those exonerates their clients. Then it becomes a case of mistaken identity - aaii!!
Exactly... I don't understand whybthe judge is attacking them
The judge is on point just like Maumela, the defense for the accused are just incompetent, they are scoring their own goals 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂, it's so embarrassing shame 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Shortage of correct Court interpretation "...to get rid of him by SMS" ... "Ukumsusa nge SMS" not "uiuhlukana naye nge SMS as interprer says
Someone must assist there
The Interpreter's Post is clearly Vacant....
A temporary interprer could be employed...
the case is closed according to me coz Zandile has vindicated suspect #2 coz she says she doesn't want to implicate him.
Liar liar liar 😢 but you said you want justice for Senzo. Iqiniso liyamkhulula umuntu cc
If they r innocent, why did they call Chico cs he is not related to senzo. That says a lot, which means someone close to Chico is involved.
Exactly my point, l have been saying this and it shows that Longwe is the one who shot Senzo
The second Intruder is said to have had a knife n he couldn't injure any one during the commotion, hayi bo!
Sacela abameli basifakele imbuzo Ku Zandi ay lezinto ababuzayo abasolwa after ukudubula Senzo babaleka ngani ngenyawo noma ngemoto?yini eyenza bangathathi ama4n nemali?yini eyenza kufike longwe bese kufika igebengu?longwe the Tym ephuma ebaleka y engadutshulwanga?khele engena ekameleni y enga4nelanga amaphoyisa?yini Lena eyaydina Senzo esefuna ukuhamba engavalelisile?isiphi isiszathu esenza kuhlanyelwe kuleyandlu?abasolwa Basho yini kunganyakazi muntu the Tym befuna ama4n?bamemeza bacela usizo komakhelwane?yini eyadala bathathe Senzo bamuse e hospital?bakufundela yini kuthi muntu mayelinele inxeba liyavalwa?bameli sacela imbuzo ay lento eyxoxa lapho indaba zamasobho lokhu niphinda phind into eyodwa sisfuna iqiniso pls
Phela bakuqala nge mbuzo elula kuze ulimi lakho luzoshelela
Mfethu nam bengidinwa ukuth I can see so many loopholes that I was hoping they were going to touch on and they did not do that 😢😢
Zandile is so disrespectful, and ulixoki... Archie Moroka awumphinde lapho.
😂😂😂
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Lol
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Wamenzani u Archie
The incompetence of these lawyers was exposed... Arguing about text messages about what?
what can we call this lecture now to our learned friends by the judge
This judge is questionable to be honest..he is channelling the case in the direction of his predetermined judgement
Check judge history and sound rounding people ,u wll understand why
How so? He never did that...plz
The affidavit from the undisclosed person leads the case to that direction, even besides Teffos suggestion...the undisclosed witness says there was a call between him and Tumelo and the content thereafter is that there was a fight between Longwe and Zandi and Senzo was unintentionally shot. I expected that the advocate will put it to Zandi that there was a fight between herself and Longwe. All they'll need after that is prove that the was call between Tumelo and the undisclosed witness and the second will be clearly valid
Then the whole case changed to a lecture 😂😂😂
Im so waiting for Mshololo....😊
Kuzo shuba lapho bcz those 2 they are water & oil from the social media 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@petrusmakhanda9844from social media? Kuph ngyekhona manje
The judge forgets that those lawyer are there to prove that their clients are not the ones who shot Senzo, so their line of questioning is relavent to prove.
It might happen that they are found innocent which means the state has to arrest other people again
That's true my brother
The judge is protecting Zandi..allow the lawyers to ask what they want
You are not listening even to his argument, lawyers even admitted that they were wrong all along
Kahle Vaseline kahle Vaseline let the crocodile answer stop protecting her
Defense lawyers 2 and 3 questioning is so lousy
When the judge says " so called intruders" yey.....
Yey, that also caught my eye😊
So call me , he wasn’t there and there were none intruders
The judge is simply saying that the defense counsel are loosing the case and that they should change tactics, HE IS ACTUALLY HELPING THE DEFENSE, I agree with him, so far nothing has been presented to help the accused
Up to so far adv Mnisì and adv Ngumallo is like there's no communication between the defense (all of them )YOU must know that MUTHI IS playing a big role(khumalo s daughters) Let us wait for adv Mshololo on Monday KEEP ON PRAYING FO
He(Judge) was extremely wrong to have done so... He cannot dictate a legal approach of counsels, after all, every legal practitioner has their own way and approach
But the defence are there to dispute the version that the accused were not there. And the defence is not there to dispute the the act
@@ngcobothulasizweian...by disputing the 'act', you are exposing the contradictions of the witness (thus deeming him/her UNRELIABLE).
Remember, in the court of law, a legal practitioner understands the importance of proving 'Beyond Reasonable Doubts' when arguing a matter.
Not really loosing as such. Actually, it would be very unprofessional and unacceptable if a judge would take it upon him/herself to assist either side. He is simply telling them not to waste time asking irrelevant questions that do not help their case in anyway. Remember the defense lawyers are not there to pin any case on anyone. That is not their brief/mandate; they are simply there to get their clients acquitted & nothing else.
Mina am failing to understand whether imthetho wenkantolo yini to give answers in a rude way...as far as I know this is a very professional place ever..idlula nephalamende
Hayi uyadelela yena shame.she doesn't have respect at all
This cross examination would be much shorter if the defence lawyers just ask did Zandi see their clients... and then we move.
Is it me or the interpreter has improved? 😂😂😂
😂😅😂 I think you've also improved your listening skill n understanding of the language 😂😂😂🤣
Not really here we need inkosi yotolika enoNdodana oyiChunu
Ngek ngyaphika mna
It’s high time Senzo’s family and friends accept there won’t be any justice in this case since there’s someone very powerful being protected. I wasn’t surprised by the appointment of this judge
You mean by appointing this judge will help to reveal the truth or will not?
The appointment of this judge will bring justice to the Meyiwa family this judge will make sure thatno1 is above the law
The judge understands that there were intruders and gunshots at the house but wrong people were arrested.
The Khumalo 's family they thought they are special to this South Africa , Wafa u Meyiwa bekhona bonke endlini akekho umuntu owangena kubantu abangaka Nani ngiyabona ukuthi anihlakaniphanga ngoba ninonke nje
Opposite
Can we make sure that Afri forum takes this Senzo case for private prosecution. please Mzansi
Plz bring back ADV teffo
Oh no..Advocate Teffo was a clown.
@@soko8155 I think he get to the point of shooting quickly than every one.he will be at the same page with the current judge
Defense is currently winning , in court you must create doubt on witness testimony given , to increase chances of winning.
This judge is not taking no prisoners.
Zandi didn't even check her boyfriend(longer) after she went out. Instead she goes out to look for a neighbor and never even for once checked if Longwe was ok, her . Poor story telling skills.
Mhmmmm😮 not even ask on the way to hospital 😒 and yet someone phoned Chico
Love this judge ❤
The lawyer's are loosing the case they not fit enough 🤦
Don't lie to yourself 😂
What do u mean,,not fit
Assist them fit lawyer
What u guys do not observe is that the 4 lawyers work together and thet avoid repetition which annoys the judge because he can see zandi response. Mshololo even said it's still coming so rest judge rest
I agree with you
This judge is educating them
😂😂😂 literally saying you guys are weak
Think the judge has made up his mind about this case .
@@heathermbambeni529I don't think so this judge is a legend he knows what he's doing
PATIENCE IS KEY HERE...
Facts 😂
Am not an expert neither am not a judge but judging from the testimony given by this lady, we give the authority to the law. RIP senzo.
Major closing today.
Defense counsels for accused #1 to #3 do not contest the version told by those inside the house which says the intruders came in the house and shot Meyiwa.
Zandie is so Rude! 🚮
Ngathi ngingamfaka imvubu
Udinga impama lo nondashaza
Mnisi very rude😢
Because she knows who killed Senzo
Zandi, give the description of what you saw, not what you think the lawyer is implying. how did you get this far with this manner of answering questions in a court room?
POP very correct medical term which means plater of paris
There's no justice in South Africa I believe it's about time we make peace with that
This judge wants no one bt Teffo 🙏🤞
Now it's getting interesting
Black mamba poked many holes
Adv Nxumalo❤️
😂😂😂 what....!Kelly knew the day she said yes to Senzo that she can't trust him hence she was married. All she wanted was to be his wife. Sadly she was not gonna get that 🤣🤣 we all know how married men are.He was not going to leave his wife for her. Bitter pill to swallow.Kelly was a side chick and she wanted to bulldoze the wife😂😂
She claims that she didn't even know that he was married😂😂😂. After finding out he was married, she still wanted the relationship to continue😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣is it me or vele this advocate looks very funny at all angles……the defence approach this case with a narrow approach and this really might help their clients away but won’t help us get to the real killers of senzo and I’m so glad the judge has given them a free advice
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭
Manje uMnisi ufike eyophethen ihoodie?😂😅
Nxumalo dismantled Zandile s evidences... big black Mamba
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Why is the court questioning suspects, everyone who was in that house must be sentenced with murder of Senzo until they identify the right person who killed him.
Each of the 1st 3 defense lawyers is saying my client didn't do it....and its not their job to catch the killer...it's their job to defend their clients
My trust is on mshololo. This gentleman are not strong for this case. They can't point the fact.
Haibo you are strong guys womens push a man carrying a gun in stand of shouting and crying jhoooo ninesibind.
What if they waited for closing arguments that there were no intruders?
I said samething
That's very much possible
We need teffo hr
Dankie Advocate
Poor judge wants a proper grill so we can conclude and Mshololo will do that
Lol so Zandile wants us to believe that mo kasi , 2 random gents would enter a house full of people at 8pm to rob them? I mean the house if full of people , firstly they wouldn’t have known what are the people in the house have in their possession and how many are there.. it’s highly impossible that happened especially not at 8pm. Neighbours are not even asleep at that time but it is highly possible fight broke at 8 because they were starting to be drunk and an argument ensued. #My2cents
My goodness this judge. I Stan. ❤
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 Advocate Ramosepele , pound for pound, like a referee on his whistle and gloves on the hands ,he is putting it to Zandile
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥.
These guys must be released. How do you arrest 5 people when only two people entered the house. It simply means 3 of them are totally innocent. Because they can’t identify two guilty ones, release them a and stop wasting their time
The people who were in the house should be put into prison the truth will come zandi and longwe knows the truth
All 5 r innocent
China's eyes😂😂😂😂😂
@@mercyhopeventeleko3884😂😂😂
It's unlawful arrest for those who were arrested,they have Wrights to sue states....
i don't understaand how Zandi identified the intruder.
From what i see this judge is here to prove the point,in some cases he's helping this black mamba
Who is the black mamba?
The dark prosecutor
Advocate Teffo is needed urgently ASAP
Zandi is lying how can they try to push someone holding a gun, unless that person is known to them trying to negotiate with him to bring the gun down,
My point exactly, how do you push someone holding a gun, aii I am lost
Impossible i agree with you my lord
Ziyakhala manje abadlalayo phandle guys plz
Why did the judge insist that Zandi must also hear Adv Nxumalo whereas she has a Zulu interpreter? The advocate said that he is audible to the interpreter, Mr Jonas?
experience at play here now this case wont even take two years judge on point
This Baloi seems to object just for the sake of objecting. He is probably going to have problems during his cross examination.
Uyadika lowo ngomlomo ingathi sisthebe
@@heathermbambeni529😂😂😂😂😂
Mnisi🤟