The confession of Accused No1 is different to that one of No 2....I was expecting that they should be similar...but lawyers will deal with it, whom am I a poor layperson like me, and the judge too knows how to deal with situations like these...15/3/2024
The first dialog between baloyi n the judge you could tell that they are planing together. Baloyi is ready to ready to read what the judge ask him to read within less than 30 secs
With my little understanding on the alleged confessions, why Kelly Khumalo not arrested pho. Cos it seems all the accused persons were arrested, based on the alleged confessions made by the two accused?
The judge is now forced to dismiss all the evidence since it implicates Kelly. Otherwise if the court use all this evidence to issue a judgement against the accused ; they will be compelled to charge Kelly as well.
54:23 Eh, the confession contradicts the statement of those who were in that house. 🤔 This means either the confession is not real or the people who were in the house lied under oath.
I may agree the accused wouldn't write that statement in English,i have a matric and college, it is difficult to write an affidavit if not prepared..usually i will first find what is needed before i go at saps or uf lucky find a capable officer.raphadu knows they are the one's who made a statement to be signed.
If the confession of Ntanzi is to be believed, which i think it should, it will corroborate the evidence given by the lady (Neighbour of Khumalos) who was sitting with a friend (Yolanda) in a M/V outside the yard that a slenderly built man ran passed the M/V in which she was and after sone few mins or second 02 men also ran past towards the Park and the other was having dreadlocks...that slender man possibly was him (Ntanzi as he went to sit in the polo M/V)...the 02 who later followed him u ll judge for yourself..This is my opinion and it my be very wrong and get criticised. 16/3/2024
I guess when the accused persons were arrested, statements from the people in the house including her(Nthabiseng) were already taken by the police. So what if Ntanzi's alleged statement was written to support Nthabiseng's version?? What if???🤷🏽♂
Mkhulu told the Court that he was given R500 not five thousand...... correct me guys if m wrong.......this Marco answers the description of Accused No 3 (at least to me) but the alleged prezence of Makhimbi muddles the issues but the is more evidence to be led maybe it will be clarified...15/3/2024
Honestly speaking the judge and baloyi are actors on the stage. This is waste of state's money. Just listen to what they are saying and watch what they are doing. ... dialogue between the two of them ... typical of actors in the Wien Amphitheater
Because the mastermind may not always have direct evidence linking them to the crime. It's always better to proceed against them with convictions of the foot soldiers in hand.
Remember that Gininda has put it in record that he applied for her arrest and the NPA has still to approve that. I guess he has done his job and can't go ahead with the arrest unless approved
Another aspect of Ntanzi's confession which accords with the evidence given by the occupants of the house of Khumalos is the demand of money and cell phones.....how would he have known that if he was not there way before the trial took place ..the trial (date on which his confession was given 19/06/2020) and occupants said the same 09yrs later....that cell phones and money were demanded prior shooting....It will seem his confession was true..17/3/2024 but guys u can differ and criticise me as much as u can.
The police arrested Muzi..he gave them a false statement,they proceeded with their investigation and arrested Ntanzi and told him Muzi told the truth.. so he fell for it and told the truth😂😂.
But muzi makes sense. Ntanzi says they took money and phones. But they didn't take anything according to the victims. Mapopola even said they had to check for coins to buy soup. Didn't have money on them
What truth coz his statement clashes with what the witnesses said. They said two suspects the statement said he pulled the trigger the statement says Mncube did and how could he have seen that when he was in the car? The witnesses said they did not have money the statement says he stole money and cellphones. A lot of other things said here clashed but I will highlight only these few things. These statements don't match coz the whole story is made up.
Ahaaa, the other statements says.no money n cell phones were taken Now this statement says the res. How would a person write statement to nail himself down. Really this is unheard of.
The confession of Me Ntanzi is to some extent corroborated by the evidence of Constable Sizwe Zungu and Tumelo who identified No2 in the house and Zandi....also the occupants testified that the intruder with the gun demanded money and cellphones....16/3/2024
Heee now they want to pin accused no 3 by gun? This man unamanga wezwakala nje nxa ngyamzonda ugininda and his team..Makhubo's tesmony was clear there's no cold case unit
Judging by the comments. Even if this guys can take the stand and confess we would intentionally reject that confession just to perpetuate a narrative that none of us can prove beyond reasonable doubt.
@@vicmabiya5884 ok noted, but this particular evidence was only presented today hence I ask you if you listened to it. Do the two confessions add up for you?
@@thereal_papandu the trial is still in progress though, our feelings cannot determine the legitimacy of anything. I’m no law expert, I’m just an ordinary South African who wants to see justice for Senzo. This Emotional commentary won’t get us anywhere, let’s give the experts a chance to determine the outcome. None of us have facts yet we deliberately discredit any form of evidence.
HAYINI WHICH MONEY NGOBA BABEDINGA NEYESOUP NJE THEN SENZO WENT TO THE CAR TO LOOK FOR MONEY FOR THE SOUP EVEN THE BOOZE THERE WAS ONLY ONE PERSON WHO BOUGHT ALCOHOL😭😭😭😭LIES LIES LIES
Where I struggle with this whole 'voluntary' confessions thing is why would an accused person voluntarily confess when they have not been promised s204 protection.My compression is neither 1 or 2 pulled the trigger,so why voluntarily compromise yourself for nothing in exchange.I guess both accused were dying for prison time.Nx state must do better
U guys ar just wasting our tym for nothing on wrong ppl bring makhubo with the old docket and c if gininda and his crew will not rot in jai including baloyi and Ratha ,kelly khumalo zandie khumalo longwe and the mother of the khumalos including the so called senzo' frend
Me too. What an anti-climax. From these 2 statements and the evidence already led, I still don't believe that these guys are guilty. But will wait to hear more...
Zungu statement collaborate with Ntanzi’s confession.. Sibiya never mentioned any of the guys on the dock.. physical evidence doesn’t match the accused.. now it’s a question of were Buthelezi’s brother found and assessed against the physical evidence
It actually does, but nkane is actually his nephew gwabini. Sfiso nkane zungu... Zungu used the nicknames to get these guys arrested, he didn't know their names but the lady was typing their full names. They denied the nicknames. Carlos buthelezi is Carlos Mncube, sfiso nkane zungu is fisokuthle ntuli. Mthoko, not this one. It's the same but altered to fit the guys on the dock. When asked about the mix up with the names, he said he will bring original statement. Then baloyi came and said it was shredded
ther one guy was guarding outside without weapon, this case is a jake indeed; our taxes are abused here. I want to be clear even if they will convict and sentenced those boys for a murder of senzo meyiwa, it'll be injustice to meyiwa family
M happy the statements were made long before the case comments. Bongani was there as Zandi stated. Ziyakhala manje asha amadamu anamanzi. Kuphelile ngalezigebengu. Shaya Baloyi shsya
@thereal_papandu the police writes what is being said by the deponent so you must say Ntanzi made the statement because you were not there to judge how the statement was written
After listening again I realised it. The names are replaced. He says sefiso zungu aka nkane. Carlos buthelezi and mthoko who was with maphisa. But zungu did mention a mthoko that wasn't this one in his testimony. No wonder these guys were denying the nicknames. Something is fishy there
This is an embarrassment of the SA justice system, even the most ignorant person would tell that this case is not genuine, it’s a poorly crafted case which is worse than a ferry tell story.
56:40 Maphiri's daughter who testified in court, Nthabiseng, never saw all these guys as she was in a car parked in the street opposite Makhumalo's house.
Indeed she (Ntabiseng) did not see the chaps but she gave description, the one who ran past the car fast was slenderly built, the two (02) who ran afterwards the other one was having dreadlocks and other with a hoodie....that's the description she gave. 21/4/2024
The law does not allow those mentioned in the confessions to be prosecuted. It will be illegal to arrest someone simply because his or her name is mentioned or implied in the confessions.
Remember according to Ginida's affidavit they have evidence that implicate Kelly including cellphone linkages as well as a photo on her phone similar to one in one of the accused's cellphone
@@MafaVilakazito acquit the accused on lack of evidence against them in CAS636 and by then too late to introduce CAS375 therefore no one convicted of Senzos death
Thank you @BONG so much bias and blatant ignoring the facts. These accused have their friends to support them And accuse the prosecutor and judge unfairly
My question is, if the state are in possession of the statements that implicate Kelly in this case why she is not arrested..but bcz I don't know the law rather let me wait until the judgement day
An interpreter must be an interpreter in his own mother tongue language, not to claim that they know it all when they are translating rubbish. Kusho ukuthini ukuthi umhlangano obukade uhanjiswa ubaba kaMuzi Sibiya? Umhlangano uyahanjiswa, what kind of Zulu is that? Joburg tsotsiz they think they know it all.
What we should bare in mind is that people involved in an incident may recall the incident differently, due to many reasons and influences. The judge will use his experience and many legal tools to arrives as to what he believes is most probable, and based on all of that, make a judgement. He will be well aware that such a decision could be appealed.
Le ayikho syabonga nanokuthi sazi ngalama statements okuthiwa zenziwa abasolwa sekuyacaca ke manje ukuthi Le umangekho into nje ekhandiwe okuhlekisayo ke azifani omunye usho okusho esinye sisho okunye
But now Mbotho talks about Marco and Makhini. Money and cellphones were not taken as well lento iyaxaka ngempela because Raphadu said money and a cellphones were taken. Kanti who's fooling who here?
Yes, KK made sure that none of the occupants knew what was happening but a mere robbery. This is very clear now what happened on the day but people still defend these nkabis
Whenever Adv Baloyi makes a statement, he backs it up with the relevant authority when requested to do so. The defence is often unable to backup their arguments. Adv Mnisi, c'mon sir!
@@thapelohonest7019 He literally said he would adjourn the proceedings, to give hin time to find the relevant authority and Adv did not want it. Please be fair in your observations.
The only people wasting the public's time is the defence..they use every tactic in the book to delay the proceedings. Simply because they don't have a case
The case is not over yet, these confessions are taking us somewhere, relax , accused no1 was just trying to confuse the cops hoping they will hit a dead end, give it few days you will understand.
@@collinsmasuku177they are not taking us anywhere unless if you are dumb than you will say that. These statements are contradicting witness statements and each other.
What is confusing is the whole time I was thinking Kelly was being protected but now seems like she's not, because if that was the case she would not have been involved or mentioned on the confessions , then again if Kelly goes down she won't want to go down alone, she will start talking then the whole truth will be out , the people who were in the house will now talk
The statement only impacts the deponent not anyone mentioned. As a result, NPA didn't grant J50 for Kelly as there was no evidence linking her to the crime.
@@BONG101MJ it is hearsay evidence if they are both giving accounts of what happened inside the house and yet both claim to have not been inside the house when it happened. It seems like you are the one who does not know what hearsay evidence is. Neither Sibiya or Ntanzi claimed to have been inside the house when Meyiwa was shot.
The nicknames will tell it all. Who is gadla and mafiga. Carlos buthelezi - Carlos Mncube Sfiso nkane zungu - fisokuthle nkane ntuli Mthoko - mthoko Mmmh zungu 🙄 gwabini is nkane zungu
Policeman and their false confessions.. they beat this statement out of this guy..Tortured him. i hope there are things to collaborate these confessions instead of just relying on them cause, really you can not take these confessions at their face value.
The confession of Accused No1 is different to that one of No 2....I was expecting that they should be similar...but lawyers will deal with it, whom am I a poor layperson like me, and the judge too knows how to deal with situations like these...15/3/2024
The first dialog between baloyi n the judge you could tell that they are planing together. Baloyi is ready to ready to read what the judge ask him to read within less than 30 secs
It is sad already the Judge has convicted accused 2
I feel pity for mmaagwe Senzo if am this hearbroken watching this mmantlwane what more her mosadi wa Modimo eish.I wish ntate Maumela was still here💔🥺
Nd its true we r all parents its painful also the acused parents we feel sorry 4 them.maybe ghininda doesnt have a child siss
@@MilloGololo-pr7eu nothing but the truth eish 💔
With my little understanding on the alleged confessions, why Kelly Khumalo not arrested pho. Cos it seems all the accused persons were arrested, based on the alleged confessions made by the two accused?
Angithi Kelly is busy paying npa officials to delay them to issue her warrant of arrest
The judge is now forced to dismiss all the evidence since it implicates Kelly. Otherwise if the court use all this evidence to issue a judgement against the accused ; they will be compelled to charge Kelly as well.
According to my observation the judge has integrity and he will do justice fairly and beyond reseanable doubt. That is my opinion
54:23 Eh, the confession contradicts the statement of those who were in that house. 🤔 This means either the confession is not real or the people who were in the house lied under oath.
exactly
I may agree the accused wouldn't write that statement in English,i have a matric and college, it is difficult to write an affidavit if not prepared..usually i will first find what is needed before i go at saps or uf lucky find a capable officer.raphadu knows they are the one's who made a statement to be signed.
Ntanzi was never there so his confession should be thrown out of the window since it doesn't make sense
Remember Cronje has a recording which the defense fought for it not to be played
If the confession of Ntanzi is to be believed, which i think it should, it will corroborate the evidence given by the lady (Neighbour of Khumalos) who was sitting with a friend (Yolanda) in a M/V outside the yard that a slenderly built man ran passed the M/V in which she was and after sone few mins or second 02 men also ran past towards the Park and the other was having dreadlocks...that slender man possibly was him (Ntanzi as he went to sit in the polo M/V)...the 02 who later followed him u ll judge for yourself..This is my opinion and it my be very wrong and get criticised. 16/3/2024
I guess when the accused persons were arrested, statements from the people in the house including her(Nthabiseng) were already taken by the police. So what if Ntanzi's alleged statement was written to support Nthabiseng's version??
What if???🤷🏽♂
How did Longwe escaped from the inkabi who are alleged to have been on guard outside Kelly's home.
Longwe has muthi that make him invisible to inkabis whether inside or outside 😊
because he was not the target.
@@Tayma11June
😂😂😂 phunyuka bemphethe
Seningasho noma yn guys bt Zungu loh wabhala le statement
Mkhulu told the Court that he was given R500 not five thousand...... correct me guys if m wrong.......this Marco answers the description of Accused No 3 (at least to me) but the alleged prezence of Makhimbi muddles the issues but the is more evidence to be led maybe it will be clarified...15/3/2024
Honestly speaking the judge and baloyi are actors on the stage. This is waste of state's money. Just listen to what they are saying and watch what they are doing. ... dialogue between the two of them ... typical of actors in the Wien Amphitheater
How? The case is finished what are you talking about 🤷
CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP N DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS CORRUPTED JUDGE 😢😢😢😢😢
@@sushelarajkumar367Corrupted judge how? Are part of these nkabis?
Amahloni kimi ngalama confessions. Yin ngempela le nonsense esiy lalele. Nothing makes sense!!
Yintsuma ntsumane le ngempela! We listen to nonsense here some made up story for Netflix
Hayi bo where did he get the money he rsn out with. Evidence led the people in the house did not have money.
If Kelly Khumalo hired them why isn't she among them?🤔
Because the mastermind may not always have direct evidence linking them to the crime. It's always better to proceed against them with convictions of the foot soldiers in hand.
Its aTrouble within trouble that troubles US about this CASE
Remember that Gininda has put it in record that he applied for her arrest and the NPA has still to approve that. I guess he has done his job and can't go ahead with the arrest unless approved
Hear say umuzi athi bathi
@@lesegokgotlhang6434 forget about kelly that was a dream a day mare kapa yona TSHOMO
It seems this judge readily knows what Baloi is going to say. He already has an answer against the defense. Notes are already exchanged. Allegedly!
Another aspect of Ntanzi's confession which accords with the evidence given by the occupants of the house of Khumalos is the demand of money and cell phones.....how would he have known that if he was not there way before the trial took place ..the trial (date on which his confession was given 19/06/2020) and occupants said the same 09yrs later....that cell phones and money were demanded prior shooting....It will seem his confession was true..17/3/2024 but guys u can differ and criticise me as much as u can.
The police arrested Muzi..he gave them a false statement,they proceeded with their investigation and arrested Ntanzi and told him Muzi told the truth.. so he fell for it and told the truth😂😂.
But muzi makes sense. Ntanzi says they took money and phones. But they didn't take anything according to the victims. Mapopola even said they had to check for coins to buy soup. Didn't have money on them
What truth coz his statement clashes with what the witnesses said. They said two suspects the statement said he pulled the trigger the statement says Mncube did and how could he have seen that when he was in the car? The witnesses said they did not have money the statement says he stole money and cellphones. A lot of other things said here clashed but I will highlight only these few things. These statements don't match coz the whole story is made up.
You are even more confused than the witnesses and the policemen who made these statements.
If there were spotters outside the , how did longwe and mthokozisi escaped from the house?
If it's the truth that he took cellphones and money in a container, are they lying when they said nothing was stolen except 1 of Kelly's phones
I wonder uthini judge zintloni
Pls explain your statement for me...why are u saying so mntase??? 15/3/2024
Judge gogo akanamahloni wenza intando yakhe
Ahaaa, the other statements says.no money n cell phones were taken Now this statement says the res. How would a person write statement to nail himself down. Really this is unheard of.
So such statement took 2hours to take😂😂😂😂.
9 Sentences for 2hours. No way🚮
Konje lo mkhulu u lowake wa testify lana wasatshiswa😢
Marco is an alias for Carlos and Makhimbi an alias for Nkani....Think
The only problem here is Makho and Makhimbi are real brothers and one of them is dead.
The confession of Me Ntanzi is to some extent corroborated by the evidence of Constable Sizwe Zungu and Tumelo who identified No2 in the house and Zandi....also the occupants testified that the intruder with the gun demanded money and cellphones....16/3/2024
But they said there were no phones and money taken, the previous witnesses said so before....
It seems rata is based towards state. Urge with defense! Allegedly
Why Kelly is not arrested
What a mess
I have noticed that our judge has a memory recollection problem of names,it makes me question his competence.🙈
I'm glad Ramosepele put him in his place today...he clearly told him my name is not difficult to pronounce
I think its eMahlabathini not eMahlathini...16/3/2024
The interpreter is worse 😢
Utolika akamuhle kwisizulu
I accused no5 Sifiso Zungu also known as Nkani ?
Ratha one day uzovela ninobalpyi lokugoloza kwenu kangaka ngendaba ka 375 dokhot alifihlil ubalayo umfana wakho
😂😂😂😂Makhimba nabo Marco🤣🤣
On the other side😂😄😄Carlos, Mthokoziseni nabo Maphisa🤣🤣🤣eyyy Sfiso Zungu 😂😂not Fisikuhle Ntuli😂
Heee now they want to pin accused no 3 by gun? This man unamanga wezwakala nje nxa ngyamzonda ugininda and his team..Makhubo's tesmony was clear there's no cold case unit
Ziyakhala manje kuya caca ukuthi kuyiwaphi manje kukhona ukusina kujeqeza koyi one owaye sendlini
So suspect no 3 pulled the trigger.but zandile and tumi said its the second suspect
Correct
@@MduduziZwane-su3thcorrect?uzoboshwa wena
Hope you are coming from another planet
U lying they mentioned that no2 was carrying a knife
I think they were admitted to see the contents straight
Mkhulo must also be arrested
😂
Lies lies lies lies
Judging by the comments. Even if this guys can take the stand and confess we would intentionally reject that confession just to perpetuate a narrative that none of us can prove beyond reasonable doubt.
The problem people here know everything, whereas no one had access to any activity that took place at Kelly's place.
Did you listen to the confessions/ statements that were read?
@@thereal_papandu I’ve been following the trial since its inception.
@@vicmabiya5884 ok noted, but this particular evidence was only presented today hence I ask you if you listened to it. Do the two confessions add up for you?
@@thereal_papandu the trial is still in progress though, our feelings cannot determine the legitimacy of anything. I’m no law expert, I’m just an ordinary South African who wants to see justice for Senzo. This Emotional commentary won’t get us anywhere, let’s give the experts a chance to determine the outcome. None of us have facts yet we deliberately discredit any form of evidence.
HAYINI WHICH MONEY NGOBA BABEDINGA NEYESOUP NJE THEN SENZO WENT TO THE CAR TO LOOK FOR MONEY FOR THE SOUP EVEN THE BOOZE THERE WAS ONLY ONE PERSON WHO BOUGHT ALCOHOL😭😭😭😭LIES LIES LIES
Say that again they said they didn't have money hence they couldn't buy too much booze. Even soup money was a small change
But do u believe that
Your comprehension 😢
Cheap alcohol at that.They've never mentioned money before.Mxm ai
Yah neh...
Statement 1:i took money & a cell phone
Staement 2: they never took money & cellphone!! Mxm
Where I struggle with this whole 'voluntary' confessions thing is why would an accused person voluntarily confess when they have not been promised s204 protection.My compression is neither 1 or 2 pulled the trigger,so why voluntarily compromise yourself for nothing in exchange.I guess both accused were dying for prison time.Nx state must do better
U guys ar just wasting our tym for nothing on wrong ppl bring makhubo with the old docket and c if gininda and his crew will not rot in jai including baloyi and Ratha ,kelly khumalo zandie khumalo longwe and the mother of the khumalos including the so called senzo' frend
You have been watching the wrong trial, Sir.
Some of us just like to comment 😂@@BONG101MJ
I think you are the one Bong101 who watching the other case
Why will a judge risk his pension by being removed from office only so that this poor innocent 5 men can go to prison. It makes no sense at all
🤣🤣🤣🤣what makes you belive the other docket over this one ?
I was really looking forward to some juicy revelations🚮🚮🚮🚮🚮🚮🚮🚮🚮🚮
Me too. What an anti-climax. From these 2 statements and the evidence already led, I still don't believe that these guys are guilty. But will wait to hear more...
Zungu was brought to make these statements relavent!!!He has studied these statements and rehearsed them over and over again
😢
As you saying this guys are innocent then why were they in contact with Kelly the very same time senzo was killed. Use your heads maan.
My point exactly, the accused dnt remember lot of things when questioned by remembers that he was forced to sign😂
The Sim card that you are using might have been involved in crime use your brain
There was never any prove that those calls were between Kelly n accused,even U ,U did receive and make a wrong call
Zungu statement collaborate with Ntanzi’s confession.. Sibiya never mentioned any of the guys on the dock.. physical evidence doesn’t match the accused.. now it’s a question of were Buthelezi’s brother found and assessed against the physical evidence
It actually does, but nkane is actually his nephew gwabini. Sfiso nkane zungu... Zungu used the nicknames to get these guys arrested, he didn't know their names but the lady was typing their full names. They denied the nicknames. Carlos buthelezi is Carlos Mncube, sfiso nkane zungu is fisokuthle ntuli. Mthoko, not this one. It's the same but altered to fit the guys on the dock. When asked about the mix up with the names, he said he will bring original statement. Then baloyi came and said it was shredded
ther one guy was guarding outside without weapon, this case is a jake indeed; our taxes are abused here. I want to be clear even if they will convict and sentenced those boys for a murder of senzo meyiwa, it'll be injustice to meyiwa family
M happy the statements were made long before the case comments. Bongani was there as Zandi stated. Ziyakhala manje asha amadamu anamanzi. Kuphelile ngalezigebengu. Shaya Baloyi shsya
And apparently ZAndis sister orderd the hit shaya Baloyi😢😢😢😢
😂 mina nawe siyalibukake icala
😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂 Wena usangene straight
These confessions are both so badly crafted, but the one "from" Muzi Sibiya is worse.
Were you there when the incident happened?
@@justinmothibi5739 that's a stupid question to ask, I think you also know that.
@thereal_papandu the police writes what is being said by the deponent so you must say Ntanzi made the statement because you were not there to judge how the statement was written
After listening again I realised it. The names are replaced. He says sefiso zungu aka nkane. Carlos buthelezi and mthoko who was with maphisa. But zungu did mention a mthoko that wasn't this one in his testimony. No wonder these guys were denying the nicknames. Something is fishy there
have you noticed that the Judge get irritated when Mnisi a khuluma ,yini wa mdlela umfazi naa
Wow things have changed its not them who killed senzo according to the statement by this witness if I'm not mistaken
This is an embarrassment of the SA justice system, even the most ignorant person would tell that this case is not genuine, it’s a poorly crafted case which is worse than a ferry tell story.
Only People were in the house abangasukhulula bekhulume iqiniso nje ayi
This judge is pretty condescending sometimes, to the extent of belittling the counsels... at least in my opinion
Its sad to watch 😢
Haibo...so 5 guys planned a job, went to a traditional healer to be protected whilst only having one gun to execute the job😂...
It's absurd
Carlos gun was not conclusively pinned to the shouting… was the gun sold by Buthelezi brothers according to sibiya confession found ?
Two different statements .Ratha i want to see your 50 years of experience 😂😂😂😂.
He is a very rude and ignorant rat
56:40 Maphiri's daughter who testified in court, Nthabiseng, never saw all these guys as she was in a car parked in the street opposite Makhumalo's house.
Indeed she (Ntabiseng) did not see the chaps but she gave description, the one who ran past the car fast was slenderly built, the two (02) who ran afterwards the other one was having dreadlocks and other with a hoodie....that's the description she gave. 21/4/2024
Mbotho is struggling to read something that he wrote😂😂😂
But it happens though
If there was a true and fair judge this case would have been thrown out long time ago. Ayikho lento
Hi guys those people are playing as why those confesses of a quiz number 1 and 2 are different supposed to be the same
If it was an assassination then why did he or they used one bullet and shot the victim in the abdomen? ???????
I am not a law expect but cases of assassination we here them almost daily or weekly but this to be labelled as assassination yhoo.
How many were they supposed to use, kkkkkk
It's the doctrine of common purpose
And Aka was shot by how many bullets?
Remember it was a robbery in pretense
The law does not allow those mentioned in the confessions to be prosecuted. It will be illegal to arrest someone simply because his or her name is mentioned or implied in the confessions.
The other three accused are arrested based on these confessions... If what you are say is law... Then we cud only be seeing two accused
@@thusoramakobya7054 my point exactly
Remember according to Ginida's affidavit they have evidence that implicate Kelly including cellphone linkages as well as a photo on her phone similar to one in one of the accused's cellphone
Kelly haters they still going to wait. Kelly is not going to be arrested because of the confessions.
Sifiso Zungu, the driver at that night should have been arrested as well
But guys how will the intruders know that this is a bedroom, and this is bathroom where Kelly run to?
Did Raphadu have to go as far as saying the accused was so clean that he was shining if he really was clean? Why the apparent exaggeration?
so in these confession, theres no where they say some guy ran out of the house. its clear that longwe is protected.
Just keep following the case. The court knows what they are doing
@@MafaVilakazito acquit the accused on lack of evidence against them in CAS636 and by then too late to introduce CAS375 therefore no one convicted of Senzos death
It doesn't make sense shame state has no case at all
You are going to swallow your words.
They are far from done, only those that are biased can make a conclusion now
Thank you @BONG so much bias and blatant ignoring the facts. These accused have their friends to support them
And accuse the prosecutor and judge unfairly
These guys are hard-core criminals already acuse 5 is serving 5life sentences for murders uyinkabi vele
What doesn’t make sense. They killed him and you should ask them why
How do you pay 50 rands for protection??
My question is, if the state are in possession of the statements that implicate Kelly in this case why she is not arrested..but bcz I don't know the law rather let me wait until the judgement day
An interpreter must be an interpreter in his own mother tongue language, not to claim that they know it all when they are translating rubbish. Kusho ukuthini ukuthi umhlangano obukade uhanjiswa ubaba kaMuzi Sibiya? Umhlangano uyahanjiswa, what kind of Zulu is that? Joburg tsotsiz they think they know it all.
What we should bare in mind is that people involved in an incident may recall the incident differently, due to many reasons and influences. The judge will use his experience and many legal tools to arrives as to what he believes is most probable, and based on all of that, make a judgement. He will be well aware that such a decision could be appealed.
Now, according to this confession, there where 3 intruders and NOT 2 as stated by the witnesses in the house.
So it means the suspects lied😅🤣
2 intruders went in after 2shots one runs outside n another nkabi goes in,, so Maths would say :2 were in the house😹
But the neighbour said she saw three guys outside
How ironic that the target is the very person that stood up to them 🤷
My thoughts exactly...
Who's Marco and Makhimbi now??
Buthelezi brothers from Nongoma, KZN .Taxi hitmen.....one is dead and the other in prison.
Uyavakala Zwide kaLanga...21/4/2024
It's a shame an old man like Mbotho lie through his teeth like this..lie about Ntanzi was cleaning like he is working for some1 yoh
Le ayikho syabonga nanokuthi sazi ngalama statements okuthiwa zenziwa abasolwa sekuyacaca ke manje ukuthi Le umangekho into nje ekhandiwe okuhlekisayo ke azifani omunye usho okusho esinye sisho okunye
But now Mbotho talks about Marco and Makhini. Money and cellphones were not taken as well lento iyaxaka ngempela because Raphadu said money and a cellphones were taken. Kanti who's fooling who here?
Ngeke zifane vele ngoba abantu ababili abenza izinto ngokungafani. Kodwa okusalayo bathi bebaphakathi
This makes sense because possibly other people might have not known that it was planned behind
Exactly
Yes Tumelo and Mthokozisi were in the dark.
Yes, KK made sure that none of the occupants knew what was happening but a mere robbery. This is very clear now what happened on the day but people still defend these nkabis
But how certain was Kelly that Senzo would be the only one to stand up to these guys?
Q@@GeniusDlamini
Shembe, Uweeee no proof of entries. Ai senziwan kodwa bakithi.
Whenever Adv Baloyi makes a statement, he backs it up with the relevant authority when requested to do so. The defence is often unable to backup their arguments. Adv Mnisi, c'mon sir!
This is what was agreed upon it was even crafied
Ratha doesn't even give defence that privilege
@@thapelohonest7019 He literally said he would adjourn the proceedings, to give hin time to find the relevant authority and Adv did not want it. Please be fair in your observations.
@@thapelohonest7019He does, He gave Mnisi an opportunity to cite case law that rebuked what Baloyi was saying and he said he doesn't have it
That's because the judge is not coaching the defense 🙄
I'm so glad that these confessions were allowed by the judge, we can all see that the state is wasting the public's time and money
State is no wasting any time , they got the right people
The only people wasting the public's time is the defence..they use every tactic in the book to delay the proceedings. Simply because they don't have a case
Iwona ma statements ebebefuna a admit we lawa leziyphukuphuku zama phoyisa no ngqimu we prosecutor 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Uyayaz inyovadem…
kudlaliwe ngathi straight
Wishi! Wishi! Nje le if you ask me..
The case is not over yet, these confessions are taking us somewhere, relax , accused no1 was just trying to confuse the cops hoping they will hit a dead end, give it few days you will understand.
@@collinsmasuku177they are not taking us anywhere unless if you are dumb than you will say that. These statements are contradicting witness statements and each other.
Ihlazo leli ukuthi these statements are admissible
Maybe the judge did it so that we can hear the contradictions
Angithi the judge has never seen or read those statements
Were they supposed to be rejected??? (The statements) If yes, on what grounds??? 16/3/2024
What is confusing is the whole time I was thinking Kelly was being protected but now seems like she's not, because if that was the case she would not have been involved or mentioned on the confessions , then again if Kelly goes down she won't want to go down alone, she will start talking then the whole truth will be out , the people who were in the house will now talk
The statement only impacts the deponent not anyone mentioned. As a result, NPA didn't grant J50 for Kelly as there was no evidence linking her to the crime.
@@YTL-hi5lltrue that.
Fabricated story 😂tjoh i didn't know they also took money from the house. Hayi kuningi😢#poor Ntanzi#
That statement was written by Zungu
If the forensics evidence can't put this men to the scene then its a hearsay
You have no idea what hearsay is 😅
@@BONG101MJ it is hearsay evidence if they are both giving accounts of what happened inside the house and yet both claim to have not been inside the house when it happened. It seems like you are the one who does not know what hearsay evidence is. Neither Sibiya or Ntanzi claimed to have been inside the house when Meyiwa was shot.
Phones evidence is not hearsay 😂
@samukelomaduna how does their phones be admitted as evidence wherein they where not in the house during the shootout??
Or where they busy with their phones during the shootout
Mnxm yintsomi le yelityala,istatement sikaMuzi sindenze ndabhideka tu,ngomgqibelo we25 Oct 2014 around 20hrs uSenzo wayesebaleni edlala umdlalo wakhe wokugqibela kwiPirates against Ajax
The accused will pay a lot due to these delays tactics of their defense team
Nonesense!
They can avoid this by telling the truth
@@gugundimandenare7969what truth?
If their the really Killer of Senzo, to tell the truth is wiser move,
The nicknames will tell it all. Who is gadla and mafiga.
Carlos buthelezi - Carlos Mncube
Sfiso nkane zungu - fisokuthle nkane ntuli
Mthoko - mthoko
Mmmh zungu 🙄 gwabini is nkane zungu
The information was given by Ntanzi but he also says Ntanzi wrote it himself
Lies why are you lying wena how did Longwe pass Mapisa yhoo your statement is not make sho
Who killed Senzo ? Was it Ntanzi group or Sibiya group.
😂 group as in team
Did nt u listen at Ntanzi s confession?
@@Thabzalzk there was also Muzi Sibiya confession which is totally different.
@@nosiphomkhize9264 yeah team Ntanzi or team Sibiya 😂. kthiwa kuyahlekwa noma kufiwe ngoba this is very sad.
Or Kelly's team
Policeman and their false confessions.. they beat this statement out of this guy..Tortured him. i hope there are things to collaborate these confessions instead of just relying on them cause, really you can not take these confessions at their face value.
There is lot of evidence and exhibits. 😂😂😂watch and see
@@nosiphomkhize9264 am glad that there is a lot of evidence. Then why is Kelly not arrested??
Baloi what did you do with Makhubo docket?
Accused no 1 was trying to mislead the cops by giving false names , pity it didn't work
These legalities are problematic bcoz that recorded confession that was never allowed would haave been helpfu
Mxm but those questions made RHATHA to believe that the statement made freely 😂😂 mxm
if there were spotters outside the house, how did Longwe and Mthokozisi escaped from the house? 🤔🤔🤔
Asking the same questions. Also why would Kelly tell the "hitmen" to delete Senzo in front of her kids?
The same spotter can tell who ran where, where the g@n was pointed at senzo and the 2nd shot hit him, while standing guard outside
Exactly my questions..
Inganekwane
To be taken as a robbery, robbery does not care ku this there are children or want, it's robbery according to their tricks