What makes a bike ride well? (well, it's not the frame!)

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  • Опубліковано 16 лис 2024
  • Prof. Ronnie gets in depth and dispells myths about all the factors that go into making a bike ride "well" - "good" - "great" incuding frame geometry, contact points, tires and other mysteries of yore
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  • @senenrc
    @senenrc Рік тому +681

    In my case, the recipy for a good bike is a 90s steel frame one size small, with the biggest tires you can fit in, long seatpost and long stem. The tires should cost more than the frame and you should build the bike yourself like if it was intended for survival on an apocalyptic world. Then you really understand and love your bike

    • @pietspijker2921
      @pietspijker2921 Рік тому +21

      That is the way to do it!

    • @ultraromance
      @ultraromance  Рік тому +75

      hmmm poetry!

    • @TerryB
      @TerryB Рік тому +31

      Had no idea cyclist carry a climbing chalk bag on their handlebars.

    • @seancbrophy
      @seancbrophy Рік тому +5

      Love this recipe.

    • @gunnarblomquist4412
      @gunnarblomquist4412 Рік тому +3

      ​@@ultraromancethe saddle to the left which model is that please?

  • @wayofthehike
    @wayofthehike Рік тому +68

    I like this pointing stick. It truly helps bring out the finer points of this lesson.

  • @mojojojo6852
    @mojojojo6852 6 місяців тому +89

    This video is like a glance into another universe where it's always summer and time stands still.

    • @fj5563
      @fj5563 5 місяців тому

      poetry

    • @OrdnanceTV
      @OrdnanceTV 5 місяців тому +3

      It's called the East Coast. 👍🏻 (Lived in Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, and Pennsylvania for 30 years)

  • @650gringo
    @650gringo 10 місяців тому +37

    After riding stiff aluminum frames for decades, I a threw a leg over a late 80's Trek 400 chromoly lugged frame and was amazed at how smooth a ride it provided. The rear triangle certainly feels like it flexes over sharp bumps. Many times I think to myself that the frame must be cracked some hidden place it flexes so much, and I have actually gone over the rear triangle with a magnifying glass looking for that crack. But no it just rides so damn smooth and soaks up road cracks so well that it is my favorite human powered vehicle of all time.

  • @Leviajohnson
    @Leviajohnson Рік тому +147

    Ronnie makes me feel less alone in my obsession for bicycles

  • @naaaateeee
    @naaaateeee Рік тому +9

    This is the material that brings me back to UA-cam, time and time again

  • @Josukegaming
    @Josukegaming 11 місяців тому +12

    Absolutely love your quirky sense of humor and just how much you're unapologetically yourself

  • @fiinpowell
    @fiinpowell Рік тому +23

    Much of the technical jargon went right over my head but I love the delivery, you my friend are the Bob Ross of bikes.

  • @alexrains1893
    @alexrains1893 25 днів тому +1

    Prof. Ronnie, that wheelbarrow analogy was an utterly incredible explanation of easily comprehendible transferable knowledge. Nothing quite like exaggerating something to aid comprehension.

  • @MeneerHerculePoirot
    @MeneerHerculePoirot 5 місяців тому +23

    Like a bike tech friend of mine said, "Almost all innovations are competition driven. But, for 99.9% of us all we want is a bike that rides well, shifts smooth and slows down when we squeeze the brake levers."

    • @z33d6
      @z33d6 2 місяці тому +1

      In the bike industry it's mostly a competition between one marketing department and another.

  • @undrthght
    @undrthght Рік тому +71

    The wheelbarrow provided one of the clearest examples I’ve seen of bike geometry

    • @shinhochulp
      @shinhochulp Рік тому +2

      I heard it first from Jeff Jones many years ago. Hopefully proper credit is given.

  • @biosfearmag
    @biosfearmag Рік тому +17

    Just back from a long ride on my Lightning Bolt, smoking my summer harvest for the first time, and getting some quality education. Really appreciated Ron!

    • @ultraromance
      @ultraromance  Рік тому +4

      ooh la la --- a dancer of a tubeset on the ol' LB --- fun one to ride! enjoy the harvest!

  • @sebasm9300
    @sebasm9300 Рік тому +105

    For those who are looking for the quick answer: It's the rider's shorts length

    • @MrShaneSunshine
      @MrShaneSunshine 3 місяці тому

      My wife made a similar comment eh! 😂👍🔥🍆

  • @fallenshallrise
    @fallenshallrise Рік тому +26

    From experience I agree with nearly all of this - it is a tiny bit suspicious when all the "best" things are also all the most trendy but it just seems that some of the cycling world is starting understand that the right compromises were already found a long time ago and the trends are going the right direction for the most part (when they don't over do it).
    I say start at what contacts the ground, find tires you like, on a bike like a bmx where there are no complicating factors like suspension or flex you can instantly feel that the right tire can make the bike feel nimble and trustworthy and the wrong tire and make the bike feel washy and vague.
    Then replace what you touch, grips, pedals, seat. People are looking at new forks or frames when they are still running some rock hard stock grips or are standing on some tiny stock pedals with no grip.

  • @jvcfilm1
    @jvcfilm1 Рік тому +18

    Thank you, Ronnie, for one of the most informative videos I have ever watched about bicycles. I liked everything about the way this information was presented.

  • @felixjackson2670
    @felixjackson2670 Рік тому +11

    Love your content. Mind blowing that most folk STILL pump their wire beaded tyres hard as rock!! Also reached a point where ‘latest tech’ went cold on me…Industry promoted,along with MANY other aspects of our lives ( health springs to mind) but many things ,unscientific,gimmick’s,pushed as ‘factual’ in order to sell ideas and products. Thank you.

  • @ianshea9025
    @ianshea9025 Рік тому +27

    The main triangle is really more of a parallelogram (irregular quadrilateral) since the top tube and downtube don't meet at the same point but are offset on the headtube. Think about how a derailleur parallelogram moves, that is similar to how a frame deflects in the vertical plane.
    *but for all intent and purposes* that means F-all because any vertical deflection in the frame is negligible compared to vertical deflection in other parts of the bike (tires/fork)
    On the topic of steel vs aluminum, I don't ride steel for the feel, but because aluminum has a cyclical fatigue limit, where the limit is practically infinite in a steel frame. Not to mention there's no need to heat-treat if you need to fix or want to modify the frame in some way.

    • @rastislavstanik
      @rastislavstanik 3 місяці тому

      Could you please explain? So aluminium frame will eventually break at some point in time?

  • @kennethward9530
    @kennethward9530 Рік тому +17

    An often overlooked factor by most manufacturers and many high end bike shops in setting up a new frame is facing the head tube and fork bearing seats. Getting the bearings nicely lined up so they rotate at a consistent torque can make the difference between a bike feeling a little bit twitchy or being a hands free wonder on downhills; and as a bonus your headsets will last a long time.
    Quill type headsets frequently coming loose are a good indication bearings may be out of alignment.
    One of my old favorite frames came back from a repaint feeling funky, just the overspray on the headtube seats was enough to make it feel a little twitchy when hands free, cleaning up the bearing seats put it back to normal.

    • @semilog643
      @semilog643 Рік тому +3

      PREACH. Biggest omission in setups, along with failure to assay and correct dropout alignment. I always cringe when I see a Chris King headset pressed into a painted or unmachined surface.

    • @ultraromance
      @ultraromance  Рік тому +10

      good point! I will admit to knowing this, but ignoring most of the time, perhaps to my own detriment --- I was installing headsets with a hammer and 2x4 until a press was gifted to me 10 years ago.

  • @donpuer
    @donpuer 5 місяців тому +3

    I got the book Bicycle Science by D. G. Wilson and have been entertained and educated for like a decade. You can skip the more complex parts and get to them later. It touches just about everything about human powered machines in great depth. A wonderful read if you love bikes and want to get a deeper understanding of the principles.

  • @stevegelman7838
    @stevegelman7838 Рік тому +3

    I have a trek 7200 bicycle, with the Tannus solid tires, no tubes, no air, just solid tires, out of all my bikes too this is my favorite I would never go back too pneumatic tires, no maintenance no Flats no worries absolutely one-hundred-percent the best investment I ever made

  • @DavidPulsipher
    @DavidPulsipher Рік тому +6

    great stuff ron - keep up the great work. very important to have a voice like yours out there combatting the gram cutting, race-centric, aggressive KOM voice that seems to dominate most of the bike industry.

  • @jeffpittman8725
    @jeffpittman8725 4 місяці тому +2

    I've had a lugged frame MTB for a loooong time. I built it and and it's like my best friend. Extremely comfortable. Getting ready to build a new bike so I'm excited but reserved. This is a great video!

  • @Robotooo
    @Robotooo Рік тому +39

    Here’s how you can do your tape experiment on a straight blade fork: firmly zip tie or tape two pencils perpendicular to the fork blade and parallel to each other, say 6 inches apart, one down by the dropout, one higher up. The pencils are facing toward the front of the bike. Then run your tape strip between the ends of the pencils. Any small deflection of the straight tubes will show up as slack in the tape.

    • @ultraromance
      @ultraromance  Рік тому +18

      I am gonna try this! thanks for the science

  • @Cyclingabout
    @Cyclingabout Рік тому +37

    Great video, Ronnie! The design & engineering principles you've used explain everything super clearly. Hopefully, you can change some minds about frame materials, bar/stem diameters, seat post lengths, and straight blade forks! 🎉

  • @ChlorophyllCrusher
    @ChlorophyllCrusher 10 місяців тому +2

    I can’t agree more with Ron’s main point. I like to lock in the one or two tires I want to roll, then build the bike around their characteristics and requirements.

  • @robinheil
    @robinheil Рік тому +20

    For a 30-minute nerdy deep dive, that was surprisingly enjoyable to watch, and definitely got me thinking. I feel you about suspension forks. Had a bad accident due to my fork not being pumped up correctly. The fork nosedived and sent me over the bars and into a tree. Now I'm thinking of ditching it entirely.

    • @Ferrichrome
      @Ferrichrome Рік тому +7

      Suspension is definitely fun since it can be used to ride in places you probably wouldn’t think of with a rigid bike. But I prefer rigid bikes because of the simplicity and feedback you get from that. Ultimately I see the bike as a fun machine and I don’t want anything complicating it too much. Less to think about before a ride is better in my book

    • @laughingbeast4481
      @laughingbeast4481 11 місяців тому

      @rollinrat4850 I'm cyclo newbie and I have Suntour's trekking suspention fork and I always wonder - what terrain is too much for it? To avoid any damage and future failure? Hard to find any info on those and it makes me bit nervous not knowing its limits.

    • @laughingbeast4481
      @laughingbeast4481 11 місяців тому

      @rollinrat4850 Thank for reply. I take my bike to the shop regularly so hopefully service is ok. It's Suntour fork meant for trekking(hybrid?) bikes specifically. It's less robust than MTB forks. I'm not going to jump anytime soon. It's just that I ride some terrain and sometimes I'm like "wasn't this too much for it?" But I guess I'm just overly cautious.

  • @ronnisullivan9794
    @ronnisullivan9794 5 місяців тому +2

    I enjoy learning from you. I’m curious about all the comments about your appearance. I’m an old woman who almost feels guilty appreciating what i see. You have a wealth of info and you are in great shape. I hate to see unnecessary negative comments

  • @paulpatriot1776
    @paulpatriot1776 5 місяців тому +3

    Having started riding on late 80’s Cannondale mtb and now riding a steel mtb, for me, going 29er and a steel frame has made a huge difference in ride quality, and I’ve broke my back twice.
    So, for me I avoid aluminum and carbon

  • @recyclespinning9839
    @recyclespinning9839 11 місяців тому +6

    Frame and fork , geometry have a lot to do with the ride. Yes contact points , etc have a lot to do with feel. Geometry makes a bike twitchy, stable, etc. So I'm wondering about this video.

  • @jfu5222
    @jfu5222 Рік тому +9

    Thanks Mr. Romance, I ride steel bikes 'cause I'm poor and they look cool. My main ride is a Falcon of England, mid-80s road bike. It's still equipped with BioPace Shimano 12 speed components. I get a few comments from other graying old dudes who remember this gimmicky. I always thought the frame was a bit small, but I guess I stumbled into something good with the long seatpost and stem. it has moustache bars and skinny tires with an old French hammock saddle, it's served me well for decades with occasional modifications.
    You are my first source for bike knowledge. Keep up the fantastic work, you handsome devil.

  • @jasonwishart6800
    @jasonwishart6800 Рік тому +4

    My most comfy bike is a grandpa spec hybrid with a suspension fork, suspension seatpost, 40mm tyres, flat bars with bar ends. I may look like a geezer but it just works.

  • @theadventurebiker
    @theadventurebiker Рік тому +2

    100% straight up facts in this video. So many worthless (to the consumer) sales and marketing gimmicks in cycling , it will make your head spin.
    That being said, I'm not riding a hardtail MTB offroad much less a fully rigid one... I renounced that decades ago and am *never* going back.

  • @razorramon4493
    @razorramon4493 Рік тому +12

    Great explanations and common myths debunking. I , myself prefer steel bikes purely due to aesthetical preference for skinny tubes. When you like how the bike looks you tend to ride it more often.

  • @charlie_p0011
    @charlie_p0011 Рік тому +2

    Former serial flatter! Switched to schwalbe and have made it a year (3500 mi.) without a flat! I even had an allen wrench go through the tire (not the tube). Thanks for the video - totally worth the watch!

    • @OrangeTree253
      @OrangeTree253 Рік тому +1

      Schwabs are the way to go if you want reliability.

    • @coreygolpheneee
      @coreygolpheneee Рік тому

      ​@@OrangeTree253schwalbes for the commuter, supple stuff for the weekender.

  • @calcagnolibero
    @calcagnolibero Рік тому +4

    Great video Ronnie thanks for sharing. I don’t agree on straight forks: in my experience they aren’t as compliant and comfortable as the curved ones. 100% agree on 26 mm handlebars and anything else you said.

  • @Chicagoschwinn
    @Chicagoschwinn Рік тому +5

    Always a fun watch with the wisdom of Mr Ron! I did learn a thing or two. I have been a steel snob for many years but I am on the road to Al curious now for sure! More videos please - have a great day Ronnie 🌞

  • @dayinnymtb
    @dayinnymtb Рік тому +2

    Are we just going to gloss over the hoochie daddy shorts? 😂 Great video with a lot of information with most of it things I’ve never really considered nor heard discussed before. Most of the focus today is on “slackness” and “modern geo” while skipping some of the more important things. For me, the most important things I look for are bars/grips, saddle, pedals, fork and tires. If I feel comfortable sitting on it and rolling over things I am happy. Tires, I want the bike to be predictable and in control when going around turns/over obstacles. Earned my sub!

  • @traceyjenkins196
    @traceyjenkins196 Рік тому +3

    Good analogies. I like the skinny tubes, but think the curved steel forks are sexy, lol. Just sent it on my Ultradynamico race series tires at a race this weekend. Steep decline, fresh chunky gravel with no clear paths on a steep HT steel bike, albeit curved fork. It ran true, tires performed well, and seemed sturdier than their tan sidewalls would suggest.
    You were helpful in assisting me get them setup tubeless, and I like them quite well.
    Good video, love the jorts, lol.

  • @tacos8910
    @tacos8910 Рік тому +11

    Triangles are the stiffest shape. Imagine if you had a triangle with the corners being pivots. You still can't change the angles of the triangle. Now a triangle can still deform through deflection. A force on a triangle can cause the lengths of the sides of the triangle to change. By the side lengths changing, it'll cause a change in the triangle's angle, causing flex.

  • @philtomlinson8220
    @philtomlinson8220 Рік тому +11

    I've always had suspicions around the idea of vertical compliance in bike frames. As you say a triangle is intrinsically stiff, no vertical flex there.
    So yes, I agree the tyres are doing the work in terms of vertical compliance, and generally the bigger the better, particularly off road.
    Your point about torsional flex coming from the tyres was particularly interesting, something I've not thought of, but makes perfect sense.
    I also think Aluminium makes a great frame material, and love my Mason Cycles Bokeh, currently set up with 650b x 55 tyres.
    However, on the road, where the bike is receiving smaller higher frequency vibrations, and you're also not shifting your weight around so much, I really find the frame to make a difference.
    A lighter frame with thinner tube wall thicknesses seems for me at least to do a better job of absorbing road vibrations. It's not to do with frame flex as such, but the way the frame dissipates vibration. It doesn't seem to matter what the frame is made of, all the standard materials, steel, aluminium, Ti and carbon can do this if designed properly.
    Again, I find I'm much more fussy with saddles on the road. The combination of high frequency vibration and the tendency to just sit relatively inertly in one position for longer periods means getting the saddle right is much more important. Off road I find I can get by with almost any old saddle.

    • @romainr.6071
      @romainr.6071 Рік тому +2

      Funny, I have one the last light Steel dedacciai XC MB from 2001 and I find it less vibrating than aluminium but alive and nervous.
      .
      But I also have a 1979 road bike - basic frame, wich we would call "made of heater pipe" in France, but with mid 80s high end peripheric and wheels, and I ended by mistake in a long heavy gravel section : even with my road/touring tyres (slick 35mm) with quite high pressure (5 bars), I have found the vibration to be amazingly low on rocks and the bike to be forgiving.
      The tubes may have thicker material than light steel frame, but their shape is much thinner. Those may explain why they absord better.
      I also have an aluminuim gravel and aluminium cheap road bike and if their tyres are too pumped up I feel the vibrations more than on steel.
      Especially from the back of the cheap road bike the fork being steel. The gravel less but it has a carbon seat post and fork. I know it's not scientific so it is not about the suspension provided by the frame itself, but what about the vibration frequency ?

  • @VeloObscura
    @VeloObscura Рік тому +22

    CONTROVERSIAL!

    • @tmagee27
      @tmagee27 Рік тому

      That's what the sticks are for. Poking, stirring and whipping it up!

  • @patfinn2697
    @patfinn2697 Рік тому +2

    So happy to see the Charlie Cunningham shout out! He deserves more credit. Awesome video of course.

  • @Tenere55W
    @Tenere55W 10 місяців тому +1

    Loved the ammount of concentrated personal info you just put in 10 minutes! I felt your words like my experience after 30 years on two wheels. Fully agree with the new Ideale saddle. Have one and feels so nice to ride. Will try a titanium bar as soon i can! Thanks mate! Karl.

  • @davidvanhorsen2733
    @davidvanhorsen2733 Рік тому +1

    I am the first to admit I am a Western US jingoist but I gotta say your place is really nice. Green and leafy with a morning coffee after sleeping with the house windows open. Oh! And a great discussion that gave me stuff to consider

  • @4stroke4string
    @4stroke4string Рік тому +1

    Thanks Ronnie, appreciate you company!❤

  • @BenZCardiff
    @BenZCardiff Рік тому +1

    The world needs a 700x50 race casing Ultradynamico Ronnie. Give the people what they need! Tire mold costs be damned!

  • @jensroeckendorf382
    @jensroeckendorf382 3 місяці тому

    A very good video talk about the differences in bike parts and their effect to the comfort or discomfort in riding it.
    Thanks for this video!!

  • @mattdelcomyn8012
    @mattdelcomyn8012 Рік тому +2

    Loves me a great bike nerd / bike tech vid. Great run though of the many factors that make these machines so magical and a few of the most important ones to focus on. Thanks!!

  • @Wanderingsaddle
    @Wanderingsaddle Рік тому +3

    Great stuff - We will never reach nirvana with our bicycles and that's why we keep cycling. constant tinkering and adjustments make us better cyclists and in search for that ultimate ride and bike build. Thanks for a great video.

    • @rharr8846
      @rharr8846 Рік тому +1

      I enjoyed this video very much and I agree it's all about the tires.

  • @OrangeTree253
    @OrangeTree253 Рік тому +5

    I have had and old steel bike that I got for cheap when I was in college and it was really smooth even on dirt trails. I upgraded to an aluminum bike and everything about the aluminum bike is better except I feel the bumps way more. I think it’s easier to make a cheap steel frame that feels good on rough ground than it is to make it out of almost anything else.

  • @criddler_9738
    @criddler_9738 Рік тому +3

    I really enjoy this video every time I play it.

  • @jamescollins5697
    @jamescollins5697 24 дні тому

    Thanks for all the info. Think I'll have to watch this vid about 10 more times in order to fully absorb about half the info you presented to us. Thanks again.

  • @hananas2
    @hananas2 Рік тому +3

    I like my bikes with the supplest tyres I can find, although I don't necessarily always go for the fattest. I really like the tight little "blep" feeling/sound you get when you ride a perfectly tuned supple skinny tyre over a small bump. (like 25-32C)
    Another upside of supple tyres is they're usually very light which just makes the whole bike feel more lively

  • @peterservo4802
    @peterservo4802 Рік тому +4

    Great video Professor Ronnie! My takeaways are these. First, I'm glad to see you gravitate back to your Alumalith with flat bars. It seems you've been riding drops an awful lot lately. Second, your installation of frame pumps. Third, your explanation of seat tube and head tube geometry which to me makes all the difference when considering bike frames and their effect on ride quality. Lastly, the Casa de Ronnie looks like paradise. Oh, and the sword usage is also a nice touch.

  • @chonclark
    @chonclark Рік тому +10

    Love everything you’re putting out past and current. From the Ted Talks at PBE to going over what works for you has me building my bikes aesthetically first with components from the early 90s that will outlast everything else. Thanks for sharing your philosophy and dropping the science on the community. About to switch to friction shifting to try it out and playing around with handlebars.

    • @brennamiller6806
      @brennamiller6806 Рік тому

      The 8/9 DA and XT/R still kill it today, especially in a 3x9 format. (No shade on all the 1x kids out there).

    • @tblakemusic
      @tblakemusic 11 місяців тому +2

      friction shifting rules man. becomes intuitive almost instantly, and you can use pretty much any components you want!

    • @tblakemusic
      @tblakemusic 11 місяців тому

      @rollinrat4850 was gonna say… who needs more than 10 speeds? lol

  • @speedikat6822
    @speedikat6822 Рік тому +3

    Hey, that's pretty interesting! I especially like the comparison of fork blade shapes. I think Jan Heine called it splay. Uh, the movement of the fork reacting to trail bumps.

  • @Bons.ksee.t
    @Bons.ksee.t Рік тому +2

    Fantastic video! Supper clean and simply put, love it !

  • @maxrainwater
    @maxrainwater Рік тому +5

    "due to the two axis ... Uh ... theres no place to attach the tape"
    instant classic!!

  • @raymondferguson3781
    @raymondferguson3781 Рік тому +2

    For forks, I find my vertical fork bikes to be more twitchy, responsive? Like less motion makes more of a difference. might be just frames but I've always thought moving the wheel axis forward makes it more like a buik. And it creates sort of a centered resting spot for lower speed stability.
    A scientific test of a the gravity aligned bent fork might be possible by seeing how slow you can ride hands free on various forks without falling over.
    Might also be interesting to see if you have to lean more or less when cornering at speed. Maybe you could tape a level to the bike and ride around a culdesac in a yellow vest until a Karen calls the cops on you for casing houses?
    Anyway... For there are newer stile flared out drops you see on some touring bikes that flex like the swept back upright bar you show and still let you get under the wind. I really like those for a comfortable riding drop.

  • @drewlyall6845
    @drewlyall6845 Рік тому +2

    Great video Ron! Digging the heady blend of science and wisdom

  • @FunStuffFromND
    @FunStuffFromND Рік тому +2

    Thank you for an amazing explanation on bike riding! You nailed it here. I have been riding for over 40 years and feel that this new cr@p that they keep dumping on us actually makes riding less enjoyable. I have a mid-fat 27.5x3 that had the best of all new technology on it and when I stripped it down to what was needed for my style of riding it fit better and was 6 pounds less. Sorry I didn’t get rid of the suspension fork (but I added remote lockout). I put shorter bars put a longer stem and dumped the stupidest invention since the pogo stick on wheels (full suspension) the dropper post! My mid-fat is aluminum and boy I wish I would have done steel! It creaks it flexes and is not the most comfortable ride. I am moving on to a karate monkey for my next bike. This one will be all ridged with drop bars. I have a set of 27.5x3 wheels and a set of 700x43 wheels for it. People say this is a bad idea because of the boost spacing but I think it will work well for me since I’m a big 270 lb 6’2” dude. Oh and that picture of you off the back of the saddle is what riding is about flowing with the bike! If you know how to ride you don’t need a crutch (suspension, dropper post etc)thanks for the best video on bicycling I’ve ever seen. Keep pedaling.

  • @donusmc1
    @donusmc1 4 місяці тому +1

    My obsession led me towards the lightest skinny tire drop bar aluminum bike I could afford and initially I wasn’t disappointed. The weight of my legs alone seemed to be enough to propel me down the road and speed was effortless but the first root crack I hit at speed was so jarring it blew my hands right off of the handlebars. It was then I realized I had to rethink everything

  • @noelbrown6771
    @noelbrown6771 Рік тому +2

    My 90s KHS team mtb with Ritchey Logic tubeset has flexible seat stays that bow out away from each other that translates to a vertical compliance. It also has a Kenesis aluminum fork that deflects more than the chrome moly fork it replaced. These are a couple of the things I've discovered.

  • @mtbboy1993
    @mtbboy1993 Рік тому

    Great to see somebody speaking sense about this. And talking about these topics.
    But frame actually makes a huge difference when it comes to geometry, size.
    so old school MTB bikes for example you sit too far back, reach is short, cockpit low, so it gives neck, back pain, fatigue, head angle making the bikes wiggly, long stem also makes you swing instead of turn the bar.
    But the way your bike is set up and the head tube angle will make it steer nicely. In this case a long stem makes sense, due to the handlebar used, so the hands are in the right spot.
    For some reason bicycle industry moved to steeper head angle, big mistake IMO. But now it's making more sense, longer reach and steeper seat tube angle.
    3:24 You are right, vertically it won't flex, by side to side the rear end can flex. so some brands claim to tune that to have perfect combo of flex for control, grip, comfort, and not be too flexibly.
    I see some frames have weird designs to make it flex, and have elastomer in the seat stay top area, they call it soft tail, but that's usually titanium or carbon frames. But it will barely make a difference I think, IMO that's more hassle than it's worth. might as well get a full suspension bike then.

  • @AlpineTechno
    @AlpineTechno Місяць тому

    Professor Ronnie knows what's up with bikes. Aligns with decades of biking experience and tweaking I've done.

  • @StanEby1
    @StanEby1 Рік тому +1

    Very sensible. Thank you.
    My comment has a very remote connection to this vid, but I still think asymetrcal deflection in the rear triangle and in the fork when braking with disc brakes is dangerous for road bike racers.
    Take care and all the best.

    • @ultraromance
      @ultraromance  Рік тому +1

      I am with you! its a crying shame what big bike has done to road bikes with those totally overkill disc brakes. Suppose the move to larger volume road tires have muffled a bit of the associated ride quality loss

  • @organizedcrockery
    @organizedcrockery 11 місяців тому +2

    the zenith overview you have made an impression

  • @danevans9742
    @danevans9742 Рік тому

    this is top tier info, and top tier vibes. I feel so much more informed... and so much more comfy. Can't ask for more.

  • @ivanmilos4313
    @ivanmilos4313 Рік тому +30

    It’s those shorts

    • @BostilCensurado
      @BostilCensurado 5 місяців тому

      i wouldnt be caught dead wearing shorts like that

    • @CharlesWessel
      @CharlesWessel 4 місяці тому

      Hahaha really old school.

    • @mathiasstielzchen2227
      @mathiasstielzchen2227 3 місяці тому

      ​@@BostilCensurado 'cause you don't have such fabulous calves?

    • @BostilCensurado
      @BostilCensurado 3 місяці тому

      @@mathiasstielzchen2227 i didnt pay attention to that, you are pretty sus

    • @aubreyxengland
      @aubreyxengland 3 місяці тому +1

      the shorts really tie the room together

  • @bespey
    @bespey Рік тому +1

    Ron, you inspire me to get fluffier and jazzier to ride bikes 🎉

  • @adhunt1
    @adhunt1 Рік тому +2

    For me the question of high or low trail skirts the more noticeable issue of heat tube angle. Cause you can have a high trail mtb with a slacked out HT and it will ride significantly different than a high trail road bike with a 74 HT. So likewise a low trail mtb (Jones) and low trail road.
    You’re obviously right that one can get used to whatever and ride it. But for me, anyway, HT angle is what I always want more of

  • @kendellharbin
    @kendellharbin Рік тому +3

    Really glad to have found your channel. I have never encountered the opinion of an 'alt cyclist' before this, but can now safely say I have found my kin. Thanks for this video!

  • @edwardallan197
    @edwardallan197 6 місяців тому +1

    This was great! So many essential points! Well explained.

  • @antman5474
    @antman5474 Рік тому +1

    Switching to a Brooks Cambium with the hole cut in it was a game changer for me. Bit of flex and no more post ride numb nob. Moulds to the sit bones too which is nice.

  • @adamtitone9912
    @adamtitone9912 Рік тому +1

    I love Ron’s perspective on bikes.

  • @downregulation
    @downregulation Рік тому

    I was mesmerized watching this. I kept wanting to turn away but couldn’t.

  • @jaames2295
    @jaames2295 Рік тому

    This entire time I thought that a 26.0 stem would be too big for a 25.4 handlebar! Gah, I've spent so much time looking for 26.0 stems on Ebay, they are tough to find. Thanks for the tip, Ron!

  • @dermihai
    @dermihai Рік тому +3

    Hello professor, I assume you've already tried every possible saddle because you mentioned health issues. But since you didn't bring this up, I thought I'd leave a short note on pressure-relief saddles (the ones with a recess in the middle): depending on the rider's anatomy and riding style, they might not only be a relief for the perineum, but through that they let the basin rotate futher forward. This in turn releases the back (especially upper back), hence improving comfort during those lengthy rides.

  • @aceprater5397
    @aceprater5397 Рік тому +2

    I used to be a serial flatter. Oh crap! I just jinxed myself back into it! Brooks Champion Flyer / French Caskets(Rene Herse) / Oury grips are my preferred method of tuning vibrational locomotion.. I make my own leather conditioner similar to Brooks.

    • @ultraromance
      @ultraromance  Рік тому +1

      oooh forgot to mention comfy grips --- and I certainly hope you remain flat free for a while longer!

    • @sean9820
      @sean9820 Рік тому

      ESI grips are the best in this regard

  • @rmcnabb
    @rmcnabb Рік тому

    Muchas Garcias. The wheelbarrow analogy is brilliant.

  • @GrahamAtDesk
    @GrahamAtDesk Рік тому +3

    I'm loving the "tape-measure" technique at 22m. I used to have a 1940's British "path bike" (basically a single speed road bike with a diamond frame, horizontal top tube, and 1 1/2" tyres) with very narrow fork blades, by today's standards. There was a wonderful and pronounced curve in the tips of the fork blades. The give in those forks was unlike anything else that I've ever ridden, and the flex when you put your weight on the bars was very clear. I suspect modern health and safety regulations + a culture of litigation have denied us such comfortable tubing…

  • @jludlowww
    @jludlowww 11 місяців тому

    Chiming in on forks - I have 4 to discuss. 1st and best, a custom Dekerf Prodigy (1990s?) which is about as noodley as it gets. The tubing towards the crown is ever-so-slightly cold rolled to get a little ovalized armpit (Chris is a master!) which is complimented by a round piece of tubing that's integrated in the juncture of the brake mount. Mitre mastery beyond words and best compliance ever, period. Second, my Tonic Fab Supernaut. Another straight bladed design, but all beef, all fucking day. It has a very minute rake built into the angle from the steering column/crown, but is easily the beefiest piece of steel (besides the frame) that I own. 3rd - BMW Gangsta V4 plated crown with bladed tubing. Rad AF $150, style and comfort beyond what the price point. Get one. 4th a De Rosa 1994 SLX profesh that I put together as a project bike a few years ago and gave to my wife as a birthday present. That sucker is a refined ride, lemme tell you. However, I currently can't imagine going back to a raked fork for my riding needs. Straight noodley steel from an expert builder is no joke.

  • @slowwerthensnot
    @slowwerthensnot Рік тому

    Great overview of bikes , pretty much in agreement and too many folks get hung up on one thing providing comfort, tires, saddle, frame, wheels….. ect , where it’s more of a whole package that can make a bike truly comfortable

  • @triumphrider9396
    @triumphrider9396 Місяць тому

    This video is right up my alley. I've ridden steel, full rigid for road, cross, and mountain for decades. I'm in Oklahoma and ride strictly single-speed. I leave my friends in the dust and they wonder how I'm so fast while their $5,000 full-sus turd with carbon fiber everything and big fat handlebars is in granny gear.
    Tire selection and pressure is paramount.

  • @robbieh.9435
    @robbieh.9435 7 місяців тому

    I was waiting for the talk about the chain stay length I got kind of excited when you started talking about Rivendell‘s more relaxed geometry.

    • @ultraromance
      @ultraromance  7 місяців тому +3

      I am not much on chain stay length -- really depends on how fast and how tight the terrain you encounter --- and if you like hopping over things more easily .... but for pure sitting and cruising with minimal input at speed ---- the riv geo allll the way

    • @robbieh.9435
      @robbieh.9435 7 місяців тому

      Yeah that makes a lot of sense I never even knew there was a difference until a few years ago, I once had a 1980’s Stumpjumper probably had a longer chain stay very long bike large size and rode very nicely that was a shoulda coulda woulda deal I regretted selling it not long after. Dig your videos and get a good laugh out of most of them thanks! @@ultraromance

  • @tomordr
    @tomordr Рік тому

    First time viewer of your channel. Thoroughly enjoyed your video! Thanks 🙏

  • @jakubczwojda2002
    @jakubczwojda2002 10 місяців тому

    thx for video, it's nice to watch advices given so clearly, I like your approach to cycling

  • @TonyLockhart
    @TonyLockhart Рік тому +1

    This is the greatest video you've ever made. Fave part is about the headtube angle. Keep up the good work!
    Off topic, but hoping to see some winter vids from CT. ;)

    • @ultraromance
      @ultraromance  Рік тому +1

      glad you liked the wheelbarrow science! see you in the snow!

  • @Nerdsplayingcards
    @Nerdsplayingcards Рік тому

    Great supply of bike info to help have the most comfortable ride posssible

  • @dominicvasturia9326
    @dominicvasturia9326 Рік тому

    I've been wanting to swap out the fork on my road bike for a steel fork, this is the push I needed. Also my cat loves the stick pointer.

  • @houseofsolomon2440
    @houseofsolomon2440 10 місяців тому

    lol I lived in Litchfield for many years & hated all the hills.
    Relocated to st pete FL & love the flat land. Thx f/posting ☆
    p.s. I'm a rigid fork / hardtail guy for sure.

  • @sir_lander
    @sir_lander Рік тому

    You truly are a doctor in bike science sir. I believe that you are very correct indeed

  • @linesided
    @linesided 10 місяців тому

    Regardless of how well a bike "feels" I recommend anyone who rides a lot get a proper bike fit. I have two bikes . Same Specialized saddle on both of them but both saddles are a different size. When we did the fit, the slight difference in geometry between the bikes resulted in different pressure points through the seat bones. This was alleviated with different saddle sizes. I would never have figured this out on my own. It's a small thing, but add up a bunch of them on the bike and it makes a big difference to your cycling pleasure.

  • @psychedeliccheese
    @psychedeliccheese Рік тому

    To measure telescopic compliance on a straight blade I think you could attache tape from the straight blade to the head tube or handle bars. As well you could put tape on the length of the straight blade but use tape to back the middle of the strip so you only have 2 contact points and the middle of the tape is free.

  • @jackbartley89
    @jackbartley89 11 місяців тому

    10:40 Been having the exact same issues because of urethral strictures and pain riding for even short periods due to the pressure. I've searched and searched for a possible solution, and now I've just stumbled across it. Gonna give the hammock style saddle a go. Thanks dude! 🚴

    • @konnyknees
      @konnyknees 9 місяців тому

      is that from just riding a bike for extended periods of time? or genetic? both? thanks mate....this seems like a problem I'd like to avoid if possible

  • @jackcarter233
    @jackcarter233 Рік тому +1

    For me? There is a warmth to steel. Great vid. Fun stuff.

  • @Commander_ZiN
    @Commander_ZiN Рік тому +4

    I found if you have taint issues just tilt the seat forward 2 or 3 degrees. I had an old bike that caused a lot of pain after I was getting it ridable again.
    I googled a bunch and tilting it forward was the key. It sorta gives you the feeling you're going to slip off but soon it feels normal and no more pain.
    In the end I think this was it's original position and it had slipped back at some point and when I leveled it I leveled the average of the whole seat. It now looks level in the front maybe with a slight decrease in angle but a rise at the back.
    Yours like like they're leveled including the back rise. A lot of bikes are like this.
    Anyway a few degrees can make a world of difference without even changing seats.

  • @YesNo-zg3tl
    @YesNo-zg3tl Рік тому +1

    Thanks, I enjoyed this. It covered so many good topics!

  • @sean9820
    @sean9820 Рік тому

    Ron looking extra buff and ready for ye ol' nutmegger. And great job, video production is off the charts.

  • @REAPER-1xxx
    @REAPER-1xxx 5 місяців тому

    I had an early 2000’s road bike and a late 2000’s mountain bike. What would be closest to what we call now endurance and XC. Both aluminum frames. A bit unpleasant vibration feedback. A huge step happened in forming AL tubes cuz my 2017 gravel bike and 2022 XC in AL are significant upgrades to ride quality. Both have fat tubes and varying thickness. But in 2024 I went to a steel ATB with straight forks, swept bars and 650x48B tires and can’t get over the level of comfort and joy it brings. Steel far exceeds AL in vibration feedback. And that tire size provides great cushion and circumference for efficiency.