I remember I used to read bike forums and they all told me "you can do that" / "you'll die" then I discovered Ron. I've been riding impossible death machines ever since. Make the dynamic choice folks.
Everytime I tell somebody about my 5 gear fixed/free dinglespeed their head spins or they have a lapse of concentration. As soon as they see it, it's fun to see the gears begin turning in their head! I read about these, then came up with my version when I had insomnia. It's what kept me awake!
There's "forest bathing" as most of us have probably heard about but this is something really special. I am feeling quite relaxed and very impressed by the soothing tone of the explanations and the wonderful sense of two-wheeled pragmatics as my breath leads the way through cassette clusters and other naturally soft clickity-clacks. Superb.
I have a 1974 Dawes Lightning frame. Front brake is routed through the head tube to the touring brakes i fitted onto a set of glue stick suspension forks. Rear brake is routed to the suicide lever below the seat on the top tube. The lever opposite side of the mount goes to the two speed shifter for the front chainrings. Track wheels, freehub on one side, fixed gear on the other. Custom tensioner made from a Shimano derailleur. Made a cage stop for the derailleur when its in the big gear so you can still have the back pressure on the pedals when riding with the fixed gear. Switch from fixed to free when the weekend hits. Don't need to cruise to work, don't need to race to the bar, but I don't need two bikes. One bike, two modes, always fun and a head turner. Also being able to throw the occasional bar spin to impress the ladies helps.
After seeing this video I have successfully gotten this setup up and running on my own bike! Using campy centaur shifters, Shimano sora derailleurs and a sram 8 speed cassette. Just took my first long distance ride with them and they shift like a dream! Thanks for the inspiration!
There is a nifty little gadget called ShiftMate from Jtek Engineering in the UK. This is the most underrated thingy in cycling history. It helps to mix-match between brands: Shimano, Campy, and SRAM. It can also help to mix-match inside the same groupset: e.g. 11-speed, 10-speed, 9-speed etc, between cassettes, shifters and rear derailleurs! Give it a try!
Both of my bikes have the same drivetrain. MicroNew 3x8 shifters, Shimano Altus front and rear derailleurs, Altus 28/38/48 crankset, and HG400 11-40 cassette. The haters can laugh at me all they want but I’m pretty happy with the setup.
I'm getting all nostalgic watching your videos. Around 1988 I put an Ultegra rear derailleur on my 1983 Ridgerunner. I never expected to see someone doing that stuff today.
When Shimano Tiagra went to 11-speed spacing for 10-speed gears, and wasn't compatible with anything anymore, I put one on the rear of my venerable 10-speed no-name titanium bike, and I control it with that ENE Ciclo Uno, shift-anything-up-to-twelve-gears bar-end friction shifter (I got a Rivbike silver shifter on the other side for the front). I treated myself to the TRP RRL brake levers, and now everybody in my club thinks I'm nuts. Maybe I am. But that setup will drive any gears and brakes I can get onto that frame, and I haven't noticed any detriment in performance (but I don't give a d-mn about racing, so there's that). I tend to keep a setup on the bike for about six years, so I don't know what I'll do next. But I'll be in my mid-70's by then, so maybe it won't matter.
Your audio is now as crystalline as your message. I'm running Shimano Ultegra 8-speed bar ends, set to friction. They operate a Suntour front mech across a 46/36 Stronglight compact double. At the back, a Microshift M55 derailleur copes admirably with an 11-40 8-speed cassette, without a road link or other such appendage. This gives me triple range with double Q factor, which my knees thank me for every day.
I've been running Shimergo setups with Campy 10-speed Ergoshifters and Shimano 9-speed for many years now. I started with it on tandems, to get decent low gears and went on with it on several single bikes with triples. You have to change the cable routing at the rear derailleur to get the indexing correct, but once you do, it's pretty much spot-on. I've never heard that Campy 10-speed cable pull is the same as Shimano 8-speed, so this adds even more opportunities. Thanks. Campy also made a Shimano-compatible indexing ring for their 8-speed Ergoshifters, back in the 1990s. I've only seen these branded as SRAM, with that name molded right into the hoods, but they are otherwise exactly the same as the other Campy levers of their time. These are rare, but they do turn up from time to time on FleaBay.
I love the fact you do what you need to make your bikes work for you. It is encouraging to see others who live this way. My bikes as a whole are pretty standard for what may have been current at the time of purchase or build, though I love making bikes from what I have around to suit a particular need. I bought a 2000 era Litespeed Toccoa MTB, it has seen 3 different styles of riding in its life with me. From a simple 26er MTB with super steep headtube , to a gravel grinder using 700c 38's to finally a drop bar Monster Cross type MTB with a 27.5 front and 26 rear. I get picked on from friends saying my bike are Frankensteined though they are fun and I get lots of enjoyment on them because they are mine and are original like I am. I'm glad I came across your channel and appreciate all of your time in making your great videos.
Your videos are always great but these last two about how you do your builds have been especially enjoyable. Soon I will start a new bike project and I am going to explore some of these options. I am feeling pretty overwhelmed by trying to figure out what works with what but I feel like i have a much better idea now. Never thought about using 8 speed cassettes. Thanks for doing these!
Ron, I have just found your channel. I absolutely love it. The humor, the pertinent information. I have sipped the Koo- laid and am high from it. Just ordered some CAVA Robustos for my Gravel Bike. Awesomeness . Thank you
Yeah, i'm modding the drivetrain too and quite happy with the results. Crank: Non-branded 155mm 24/34/42t converted to 2x (due front derailleur limitations) Casette: 8sp 9-34t shimano HG converted to 7sp 13-34 (for better chainline) Rear Derailleur: shimano altus 8sp Front derailleur: old shimano altus c10. Chain: kmc z8 Shifter: a set of microshift 9sp. Ratcheting FD like yours seems a nice upgrade. Gotta grab some if I could found one.
Thanks for your video! I have mixed a lot of groupsets. I do like to use 9 speed Shimano MTB derailleurs with old 10 speed road shifters. Then you have a setup which handles big casettes. Front mechs you can more or less mix everything. On my go everywhere bike I have XT 9speed rear mech Claris front mech. Tiagra 4600 shifters. It is really working well. I agree you do not need more than 8 or 9 gears with a double and they shift so much faster between high and low. 1x12 is just slow shifting and it is really easy to get caught with the rear mech.
Grav dad, I love it. I’ve been trying to use an 11 speed Athena front derailleur with some Chorus 12 speed shifters and while yeah, it does move the chain from big to small ring, it’ll drop it every now and again. It’s just not quite right and I ran outta patience. 😢 So now it’s a 1x 12 Campy setup for all my gravel daddying. I love this vid, thank you for preaching the superior Campag shifter gospel. Bless you Ronny. Bless you.
Awesome video and very funny. I just did something similar with an old 8 speed campy drivetrain I had laying around. Used Campy Avanti 8 Speed levers to shift a 8 speed shimano cassette with a campy centaur derailleur. All I did was use the campagnolo 8 speed plastic spacers in between the shimano cogs. It shifts like a dream. And as you mentioned, I can now use any shimano/sram wheelset with my nice Campy shifters.
Those Campy road brifters looks so good. I've found old shimano 9-10 speed road brifters have the same cable pull as their 7-9 mtb derailleurs. Recently did a 9sp Dura-Ace brifter paired with a older XT rd and I run a Ultrega 10sp brifter with an 9sp XT.
Nice! Haha love the video man, its very pratical for someone whos just getting into bikes. Guy gave me his old nishiki that he bought in 1980. Im stoked on the build
Surly gen 1 KM rider here. Heavy bike, heavy rider. MicroShift thumbies, front friction, rear 9 speed index. Sram FD, 42-26 FSA and Deore crankrings on a 3x Sram crankset converted to 2x. Old Deore RD, bog stock cheap Shimano 11-34 cassette.
Current favourite combo: suntour power ratchet thumb shifter (I know you're on a campy thing but you asked for fav combos) to a Shimano xtr 9 speed rear d (obvs friction makes that a "whatevs") shifting a wide range 7 speed with a 10 speed chain. It's so quiet that sometimes I have to look down to see if I actually shifted and nearly crash. I'm only doing 7 speed because the hubs are old suntour sealed bearings that run so nice I can't bear to get rid of them and they take a freewheel. It's a front triple with a suntour mountech. Inner ring is 24 tooth which is hi-lar-i-ouse with the 36 big cog at the back. It all works 👌.
I've used 10 speed Campy Ergopower shifters with a Sram 10 speed rear derailleur (I think it was Apex or Rival but any will work as long as it's "Exact Actuation" cable pull) on a Shimano 10 speed cassette with complete success. Rode thousands of miles on that with beautiful shifting. Lennard Zinn wrote a detailed how-to article on Velonews which may still be there :-)
My way of thinking was always, that the only thing that matters is cassette range... untill I tried 10 speed 11-28 which is really fun in flat terrain. If they were making 9 speed 11-51, I would gladly use those in my MTB. My favourite drivetrain of all times is 2x10 front 38-24, rear 11-36 that came with my MTB in 2014. I replaced it later with 1x11 because i needed space for proper dropper post lever. Since Shimano is making now 11 speed 11-51 I have no reason to go for 12 speed. On my flat bar road/gravel I use old Alivio crank with 36-26 and 11-28 rear with GX shifters and derailleur. Those GX came from my MTB when I switched to 1x11, so it was a parts bin upgrade from 3x8 to 2x10. On a drop bar gravel I use standard GRX setup (2x11) and I only wish, that Shimano was making smaller chainrings. I don't need more range, I need lower gears. Funny thing is, that GRX 2X10 comes with 11-36 cassette and 2x11 with 11-34. Makes no sense to me and seems like 2x10 is actually better.
I had a 2 by 8 on a new mountain bike and it wasn't enough. It had plenty of low end that my old 15 speed early 90's mountain bike didn't have, it didn't even have a 1 to 1 ratio and I couldn't ride it up really long steep hills. The new bike from 2007 had an 11-32T cassette on the back and 22T, 32T on the front. I was completely missing the speed, and I wanted more high end as it was from my old bike, but the old bike was better at the high speed. I added a third 42T chainring to the front yesterday and it's absolutely amazingly fun to ride now. Gear spacing is possibly a little closer than I need, but I use all the high end range, I still need to find some massive hills to test the low end. Ratio is 0.69 to 3.82 and I love it so far :)
I appreciate the aesthetic and functional considerations you have. I’m much less discriminating and just grab whatever works. Definitely have a few frankenbikes of my own. 10 speed is truly plenty, 11/12/13 is fine but not really much different for the average rider. Digging the farmhouse parts storage and workshop. Perhaps not the most efficient but plenty of room.
I love a touch of cosmic irony. Your opening words were about new and improved sound quality and I had to close and reopen the video because my first attempt was muted. 😂😂
I like the ergo levers best because the shape is good, but it's really the "friction" - working front shifter that allows me to use any derailleur/crankset combination and even change from double to triple cranks with the same shifter.
those ritchey Esque-PDs are my favorite pedal. ubiquitous in co-op bins, work fine with spd cleats, light enough, easy to locate with your foot, and pleasing to the eye.
haha great vidéo! mix-matching groupset is the greatest thing in biking. you can find tables of cable pull, derailleur rations and cog spacing of all brands and group. try to find your parts on old bikes and enjoy :) Also when the ratio are not exactly the same you can bend the dropout to make it work, but shhhht thats a secret! i have a custom road Frankenbike 1x8 gears 42 11-36 -11 speed shim MTB cassette with removed cogs. and spacers to fill the space near the spokes. 42 GRX 11 spd 1x crankset -9 spd mtb deore rear derailleur - 10 spd (OLD) shimano shifter and it works like a charm. i dont care about cadence so 8 speed is more than enough and i dont crosschain when im on the biggest cog. hehe!
I have a light touring bike that’s 1x9 microshift advent. It’s fun, but not ideal so I’ll swap in a downtube shifter and run 2x with the same setup. I have their levers controlling it and for what it cost me, I love it. Ran something similar on an old mountain bike with their flat bar shifter and loved that.
So nice bike ! i'm modding also the drivetrain too and results are top for 9 speeds. Crank: Campagnolo Record carbon converted to 1x Cassette: 9sp 13-42t shimano HG Rear Derailleur: shimano Deore 9sp Shifter right Campagnolo Chorus carbon 10sp and Shifter left Campagnolo Chorus converted to just brake lever.
Once you go Campy for shifters, it's hard to go back! Back in the mid '90s I started using Sachs Ergopower 8 speed shifters with my Shimano XT and XTR drivetrains on my drop-bar mountain/gravel bikes. They're basically the exact same Campy Veloce 9 speed shifters that I run on my RB-1, but with Sachs 8 speed cams in them. On fleaBay you can often find the Sachs Ergopowers with both the front and rear paddles being polished aluminum. It goes really well with polished 8 speed XT components of that era. A nice classic look for sure.
it’s true. i recently begrudgingly moved from campy chorus 11 on a disc bike to shimano grx, mostly for the really good braking, but a little for the out of the box wide cassette support. and i sorely sorely miss the lever feel. i couldn’t for the life of me get the cable chorus levers to get anything resembling consistent and high quality disc braking, and in the hilly and wet PNW it’s pretty crucial.
@@jonamcc They're ugly as sin, but TRPs HY/RD self contained hydraulic calipers are real nice for running whatever cable brifter with 95% of true hydraulic stopping power. Ive put about 300 miles on mine now and the braking feel is phenomenal on my gravel bike. The modulation is good enough to get little rolling stoppies out of them, with enough stopping power when needed to overwhelm the front tire on pavement.
@@pathosdivision that’s what I was using previously, and they worked well at first (after I installed the campy mod) but the performance deteriorated with time. perhaps the pads were not good? alas i already made the swap.
10/11 speed sram derailleurs work fine with 10 speed campy shifters and standard 10 speed sram/shimano cassettes. Been running that setup on my cx bike for more than a decade. 10 speed chains are better developed than 9 and 8 speed and there is an enormous choice of 10 speed cassettes. Sram rival derailleurs can be picked up for $40 and work great. In really extreme weather I'll put an 8 speed cassette on for a snowy/icy cx rave and hope I'll find a couple of gears that work. 11 and 12 speed are just too finicky for cx unless you want to spend thousands and bring your bike to the shop every week
Hi, love your videos. I have tried every Campy , Shimano and Sram groupset built in the last 20 years, because just like you i want to mix and match, see what works. The way to describe the Campy shifting vs Shimano , Campy jumps the chain over the cogs and Shimano glides it over. To be fair the Sram red 10 feels a lot like Campy, very tactile and with a click noise every time, unfortunately the double function lever makes no sense. keep bringing cool content
I run a 3x10 on my 2011 specialized secteur elite(Rival rear shifter, gx rear derailleur, claris-tiagra triple front derailleur set, and a deore crank set). It is weird but nice when loaded down going up steep hills.
Cool. Love your bikes. Am more and more sickened by what ‘profit over people’ corporate men in suits are doing to our great bike( disc brake-road Bikes,made in China,greedily overpriced,in house bar/stem combo’,in house seatpin,in house wheels)UGLY! Am riding first generation 11 Speed Campy Record...Last year bought an Ibis Gravel bike..came with SRAM Red ETAP..after a few rides put Record 11 speed shifters and mechs,rear with medium cage and Paul Klamper brakes- brilliant. Also Shimano 11 speed cassette works great.Will sell SRAM groupo for over half what I payed for S/H bike. My son has my old 10 speed Campy Record and I built a Shimano 9 speed cassette that works great with 10 speed shifters. Keep sharing your thoughts and projects. Breath of fresh Air.
Hello Romance. That is a beautyful combination and I love these Italian parts. One thing I love to do some strange things with is the Modolo Morphos. Some time ago I bought another shifter from them and they work great with a simple screw to ajust the cable pull. I guess they are still available 😍Modolo is so underestimated in my eyes and they are not expensive at all. ...Thanks for this exorbitant level of (information and) entertainment. Liebe Grüße🖖
@@brrrt6666 You need a little bit more strength because of shorter shifters I guess and it is a little more challenging for the thumbs at the beginning . With a precise cable Installation with no extreme cable radius they work nice and one can give them a try for that price. Liebe Grüße 🙋🏼♀️
Yes yes,cool brain there. How about a longer shop tour & bike check video? Say maybe this weekend?, tomorrow? ? Smashed the hell out of this like button, grateful for the new video Thanks a million.
I like this video and I like you and I like your bikes and I sure as shootin like that Hot Water Music song from Tony Hawk Pro Skater 4. I’m going to blast it right now.
😂😂😂 Ronnie you made me laugh so hard hahaha. It’s great you mock everything the starchy stuffers take so seriously. And by the way, I love the bike name “Malocchio” (Evil Eye). Hahahah 😂 Great videos, keep ‘em coming! 😁👍
BROKOWSKI!!! You are exactly right about CAMPANGOLO shifting feel. My 1st 🥇 serious road bike I bought after I quit smoking in 2017. It’s a Rebellato (aluminum main triangle, carbon seat/chain stays, cf fork made in Castel Franco Italy 🇮🇹) was fitted with Veloce quick-shift 10spd. Love ‘em!! They feel like a well maintained Beretta 9mm cycling through its magazine while qualifying on a military marksman course (I’m an expat vet living here in N.E. Italy 🇮🇹). Shimano shifters feel like big robotic arms from the Alien movie 🎥🥸😎🤓 I’ve had a similar issue finding good deals on their hubs and equipment on ebay…but I’ve managed to build them: Felt B2 Veloce 10spd, Kuota K-Factor Veloce 10spd (easier to swap rims;-), Rebellato got the Centaur 11spd (same hub size but bought chain/sprocket removal tools to share rims), Maino 1951 (Fausto Coppi helped design the frame) Campangolo 5spd (bought friction shifters, brakes C-record) rollin on Campy Delta 8spd…stretched the rear triangle… Rims: cf campy tubular 50th anniversary, cf 60mm tri-spoke (Japanese brand), Campy Scirocco, Campy G3 Vento, Fulcrum Racing 3 (clincher), Fulcrum Racing Zero red anodized (tubular), Miche 707 (clincher), built Miche race hubs on DT Swiss clinger hoops, Sapim cx-ray flat blade; built Stans No Tube race series hubs, Sapim cx-ray flat bladed, 36mm cf tubular hoops….and that’s about it (Forest Gump voice 😅) Bikes 4 the win!!!! (new sub here as well)
I had good luck combining a GRX 400 RD with tiagra 4700 brifters. Unfortunately it works best with race oriented crankset like a 52/39. The left brifter has a hard time making big chainring jumps in my experience. The value of doing this combo is gaining a rear clutch if that’s tickles your fancy.
We both have the same setup. Its nice to know that i am not the only one who double tap the left brifter just to shift to a smaller front chainring. Its not that I have a problem with it, lets just say i got used it and its fine with me. Going two years with this setup and i dont see the point of going up to 11 speed. This is perfection to me. Btw im running a 46-30 front and an 11-36 at the back. Plenty of range already.
Campagnolo still produce a set of up to date Record hubs which of course will accept 8/9/10/11 and 12 Campagnolo cassettes. Like the video, made me smile in a good way. Peace...
I got 13 bikes so I can relate to the parts mania..big fan of 8 speeds..Old Shimano derailleurs last forever,just replace the jockey wheels as needed ⚙️🚲🔧
They’re going to make entire deep sea submarines out of this stuff one day
I remember I used to read bike forums and they all told me "you can do that" / "you'll die" then I discovered Ron. I've been riding impossible death machines ever since. Make the dynamic choice folks.
that makes me very happy!
Your channel content features the kind of bicycle goodness that keeps me coming back. Quirky, yet entertaining, and informative. Well done.
I love building bikes that make people say, "you can't do that!"
Been there, loved it
You can't do that!
here ya go, cheers bud...
That’s all I do lol I made a chain tensioner out of a cantilever brake arm
@@catshit2028 nifty
Everytime I tell somebody about my 5 gear fixed/free dinglespeed their head spins or they have a lapse of concentration. As soon as they see it, it's fun to see the gears begin turning in their head!
I read about these, then came up with my version when I had insomnia. It's what kept me awake!
This is the best explanation of how to tune a rear derailer that I have ever seen.
There's "forest bathing" as most of us have probably heard about but this is something really special. I am feeling quite relaxed and very impressed by the soothing tone of the explanations and the wonderful sense of two-wheeled pragmatics as my breath leads the way through cassette clusters and other naturally soft clickity-clacks. Superb.
I have a 1974 Dawes Lightning frame. Front brake is routed through the head tube to the touring brakes i fitted onto a set of glue stick suspension forks. Rear brake is routed to the suicide lever below the seat on the top tube. The lever opposite side of the mount goes to the two speed shifter for the front chainrings. Track wheels, freehub on one side, fixed gear on the other. Custom tensioner made from a Shimano derailleur. Made a cage stop for the derailleur when its in the big gear so you can still have the back pressure on the pedals when riding with the fixed gear. Switch from fixed to free when the weekend hits. Don't need to cruise to work, don't need to race to the bar, but I don't need two bikes. One bike, two modes, always fun and a head turner. Also being able to throw the occasional bar spin to impress the ladies helps.
Dude yes! The sound quality is great. I can hear every word 👍
After seeing this video I have successfully gotten this setup up and running on my own bike! Using campy centaur shifters, Shimano sora derailleurs and a sram 8 speed cassette. Just took my first long distance ride with them and they shift like a dream! Thanks for the inspiration!
There is a nifty little gadget called ShiftMate from Jtek Engineering in the UK. This is the most underrated thingy in cycling history. It helps to mix-match between brands: Shimano, Campy, and SRAM. It can also help to mix-match inside the same groupset: e.g. 11-speed, 10-speed, 9-speed etc, between cassettes, shifters and rear derailleurs! Give it a try!
Both of my bikes have the same drivetrain. MicroNew 3x8 shifters, Shimano Altus front and rear derailleurs, Altus 28/38/48 crankset, and HG400 11-40 cassette. The haters can laugh at me all they want but I’m pretty happy with the setup.
Always nice to hang out with Uncle Ron in the shop.
This was the best demonstration of how to set up a rear derailleur I have ever seen!! Amazing = Thank You !!❤❤
Watching your videos works for me.
I'm getting all nostalgic watching your videos. Around 1988 I put an Ultegra rear derailleur on my 1983 Ridgerunner. I never expected to see someone doing that stuff today.
When Shimano Tiagra went to 11-speed spacing for 10-speed gears, and wasn't compatible with anything anymore, I put one on the rear of my venerable 10-speed no-name titanium bike, and I control it with that ENE Ciclo Uno, shift-anything-up-to-twelve-gears bar-end friction shifter (I got a Rivbike silver shifter on the other side for the front). I treated myself to the TRP RRL brake levers, and now everybody in my club thinks I'm nuts. Maybe I am. But that setup will drive any gears and brakes I can get onto that frame, and I haven't noticed any detriment in performance (but I don't give a d-mn about racing, so there's that). I tend to keep a setup on the bike for about six years, so I don't know what I'll do next. But I'll be in my mid-70's by then, so maybe it won't matter.
Seven is heaven.
Amen
Your audio is now as crystalline as your message. I'm running Shimano Ultegra 8-speed bar ends, set to friction. They operate a Suntour front mech across a 46/36 Stronglight compact double. At the back, a Microshift M55 derailleur copes admirably with an 11-40 8-speed cassette, without a road link or other such appendage. This gives me triple range with double Q factor, which my knees thank me for every day.
I've been running Shimergo setups with Campy 10-speed Ergoshifters and Shimano 9-speed for many years now. I started with it on tandems, to get decent low gears and went on with it on several single bikes with triples. You have to change the cable routing at the rear derailleur to get the indexing correct, but once you do, it's pretty much spot-on. I've never heard that Campy 10-speed cable pull is the same as Shimano 8-speed, so this adds even more opportunities. Thanks. Campy also made a Shimano-compatible indexing ring for their 8-speed Ergoshifters, back in the 1990s. I've only seen these branded as SRAM, with that name molded right into the hoods, but they are otherwise exactly the same as the other Campy levers of their time. These are rare, but they do turn up from time to time on FleaBay.
I love the fact you do what you need to make your bikes work for you. It is encouraging to see others who live this way. My bikes as a whole are pretty standard for what may have been current at the time of purchase or build, though I love making bikes from what I have around to suit a particular need. I bought a 2000 era Litespeed Toccoa MTB, it has seen 3 different styles of riding in its life with me. From a simple 26er MTB with super steep headtube , to a gravel grinder using 700c 38's to finally a drop bar Monster Cross type MTB with a 27.5 front and 26 rear. I get picked on from friends saying my bike are Frankensteined though they are fun and I get lots of enjoyment on them because they are mine and are original like I am. I'm glad I came across your channel and appreciate all of your time in making your great videos.
Your videos are always great but these last two about how you do your builds have been especially enjoyable. Soon I will start a new bike project and I am going to explore some of these options. I am feeling pretty overwhelmed by trying to figure out what works with what but I feel like i have a much better idea now. Never thought about using 8 speed cassettes. Thanks for doing these!
The tree setting was lovely! And the tone of the video was swell!
Ron,
I have just found your channel.
I absolutely love it.
The humor, the pertinent information.
I have sipped the Koo- laid and am high from it.
Just ordered some CAVA Robustos for my Gravel Bike.
Awesomeness .
Thank you
Yeah, i'm modding the drivetrain too and quite happy with the results.
Crank: Non-branded 155mm 24/34/42t converted to 2x (due front derailleur limitations)
Casette: 8sp 9-34t shimano HG converted to 7sp 13-34 (for better chainline)
Rear Derailleur: shimano altus 8sp
Front derailleur: old shimano altus c10.
Chain: kmc z8
Shifter: a set of microshift 9sp.
Ratcheting FD like yours seems a nice upgrade. Gotta grab some if I could found one.
I just stumbled on this for some bizarre reason. Thanks for being super entertaining and informative!
Oh man, oh man, what GREAT ideas come to mind seeing this. Never thought that those cable pulls would be compatible... Thank you so much!
Thanks for your video!
I have mixed a lot of groupsets. I do like to use 9 speed Shimano MTB derailleurs with old 10 speed road shifters. Then you have a setup which handles big casettes. Front mechs you can more or less mix everything. On my go everywhere bike I have XT 9speed rear mech Claris front mech. Tiagra 4600 shifters. It is really working well. I agree you do not need more than 8 or 9 gears with a double and they shift so much faster between high and low. 1x12 is just slow shifting and it is really easy to get caught with the rear mech.
Just want to say the light looks really nice in those shots with the bike.
Grav dad, I love it. I’ve been trying to use an 11 speed Athena front derailleur with some Chorus 12 speed shifters and while yeah, it does move the chain from big to small ring, it’ll drop it every now and again. It’s just not quite right and I ran outta patience. 😢 So now it’s a 1x 12 Campy setup for all my gravel daddying. I love this vid, thank you for preaching the superior Campag shifter gospel. Bless you Ronny. Bless you.
That rear mech setup/adjust was a pleasure to watch! chapeau
Nice
I love your shorts Ron.
What a wonderful spLace (sic)
Loved the whole thang.
Reverberative..
Awesome video and very funny.
I just did something similar with an old 8 speed campy drivetrain I had laying around.
Used Campy Avanti 8 Speed levers to shift a 8 speed shimano cassette with a campy centaur derailleur. All I did was use the campagnolo 8 speed plastic spacers in between the shimano cogs. It shifts like a dream. And as you mentioned, I can now use any shimano/sram wheelset with my nice Campy shifters.
Perfect thanks for making this video Ronnie, super helpful. Ultra romance making moves with the production value🫡
Those Campy road brifters looks so good. I've found old shimano 9-10 speed road brifters have the same cable pull as their 7-9 mtb derailleurs. Recently did a 9sp Dura-Ace brifter paired with a older XT rd and I run a Ultrega 10sp brifter with an 9sp XT.
Nice! Haha love the video man, its very pratical for someone whos just getting into bikes. Guy gave me his old nishiki that he bought in 1980. Im stoked on the build
3 by 8 - doin' great
2 by 9 - sounds fine
1 by 11 - send me to heaven
Surly gen 1 KM rider here.
Heavy bike, heavy rider.
MicroShift thumbies, front friction, rear 9 speed index.
Sram FD, 42-26 FSA and Deore crankrings on a 3x Sram crankset converted to 2x.
Old Deore RD, bog stock cheap Shimano 11-34 cassette.
Noticed the audio improvement right away. Bravo!
excellent video ronald! i like the subtle outfit changes
That click clack on the campy fron derailleur is so awesome
I’ve been doing this in secret and now I feel seen. Thank you Ronny Romance!
Current favourite combo: suntour power ratchet thumb shifter (I know you're on a campy thing but you asked for fav combos) to a Shimano xtr 9 speed rear d (obvs friction makes that a "whatevs") shifting a wide range 7 speed with a 10 speed chain. It's so quiet that sometimes I have to look down to see if I actually shifted and nearly crash. I'm only doing 7 speed because the hubs are old suntour sealed bearings that run so nice I can't bear to get rid of them and they take a freewheel. It's a front triple with a suntour mountech. Inner ring is 24 tooth which is hi-lar-i-ouse with the 36 big cog at the back. It all works 👌.
thats nice!
Got yourself a new subscriber. Excellent channel!
Nice mountain laurels Ron keep it coming
This guy made me subscribe with the line about bad trends and nickelback. The compatibility tricks were nice too.
Your new audio is pleasant like a Campy shifter.
I've used 10 speed Campy Ergopower shifters with a Sram 10 speed rear derailleur (I think it was Apex or Rival but any will work as long as it's "Exact Actuation" cable pull) on a Shimano 10 speed cassette with complete success. Rode thousands of miles on that with beautiful shifting. Lennard Zinn wrote a detailed how-to article on Velonews which may still be there :-)
Plus one on the SRAMpagnolo. Works great and parts are plentiful and cheap.
@@y25o15u21 so you agree this works? Might be a pretty sweet hack if it’s true
The audio sounds wayyyy better- thanks for that!
My way of thinking was always, that the only thing that matters is cassette range... untill I tried 10 speed 11-28 which is really fun in flat terrain. If they were making 9 speed 11-51, I would gladly use those in my MTB.
My favourite drivetrain of all times is 2x10 front 38-24, rear 11-36 that came with my MTB in 2014. I replaced it later with 1x11 because i needed space for proper dropper post lever. Since Shimano is making now 11 speed 11-51 I have no reason to go for 12 speed.
On my flat bar road/gravel I use old Alivio crank with 36-26 and 11-28 rear with GX shifters and derailleur. Those GX came from my MTB when I switched to 1x11, so it was a parts bin upgrade from 3x8 to 2x10.
On a drop bar gravel I use standard GRX setup (2x11) and I only wish, that Shimano was making smaller chainrings. I don't need more range, I need lower gears.
Funny thing is, that GRX 2X10 comes with 11-36 cassette and 2x11 with 11-34. Makes no sense to me and seems like 2x10 is actually better.
I had a 2 by 8 on a new mountain bike and it wasn't enough.
It had plenty of low end that my old 15 speed early 90's mountain bike didn't have, it didn't even have a 1 to 1 ratio and I couldn't ride it up really long steep hills.
The new bike from 2007 had an 11-32T cassette on the back and 22T, 32T on the front. I was completely missing the speed, and I wanted more high end as it was from my old bike, but the old bike was better at the high speed.
I added a third 42T chainring to the front yesterday and it's absolutely amazingly fun to ride now. Gear spacing is possibly a little closer than I need, but I use all the high end range, I still need to find some massive hills to test the low end.
Ratio is 0.69 to 3.82 and I love it so far :)
literally was about to ask what shorts you have and it popped up on screen. Youre a fashion icon!
Too bad theyre $170 😬
I love this kinda shit! Keep ‘em coming Ronny
I appreciate the aesthetic and functional considerations you have. I’m much less discriminating and just grab whatever works. Definitely have a few frankenbikes of my own.
10 speed is truly plenty, 11/12/13 is fine but not really much different for the average rider. Digging the farmhouse parts storage and workshop. Perhaps not the most efficient but plenty of room.
I love a touch of cosmic irony. Your opening words were about new and improved sound quality and I had to close and reopen the video because my first attempt was muted. 😂😂
Love the laurels! Happy summår:)
I like the ergo levers best because the shape is good, but it's really the "friction" - working front shifter that allows me to use any derailleur/crankset combination and even change from double to triple cranks with the same shifter.
I'd have a similar build, but with friction shifters, but yours is amazing! Got me thinking about a change 🤔
best RD adjustment tutorial on the internet tbh
I saw you about to sprint during that test ride!💪💪🤘
those ritchey Esque-PDs are my favorite pedal. ubiquitous in co-op bins, work fine with spd cleats, light enough, easy to locate with your foot, and pleasing to the eye.
They sorta match the chainring bolts too!
haha great vidéo!
mix-matching groupset is the greatest thing in biking. you can find tables of cable pull, derailleur rations and cog spacing of all brands and group. try to find your parts on old bikes and enjoy :)
Also when the ratio are not exactly the same you can bend the dropout to make it work, but shhhht thats a secret!
i have a custom road Frankenbike
1x8 gears 42 11-36
-11 speed shim MTB cassette with removed cogs. and spacers to fill the space near the spokes.
42 GRX 11 spd 1x crankset
-9 spd mtb deore rear derailleur
- 10 spd (OLD) shimano shifter
and it works like a charm. i dont care about cadence so 8 speed is more than enough and i dont crosschain when im on the biggest cog. hehe!
pure unadulterated GENIUS EPIC and then some
Loved getting to see into your stash of treasures a little bit. Please sell that black specialized M2 to me, mine is too small! 😢
I have a light touring bike that’s 1x9 microshift advent. It’s fun, but not ideal so I’ll swap in a downtube shifter and run 2x with the same setup. I have their levers controlling it and for what it cost me, I love it. Ran something similar on an old mountain bike with their flat bar shifter and loved that.
the wrench speaks in tongues krikeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy💙💙💙💙💙💙
So nice bike !
i'm modding also the drivetrain too and results are top for 9 speeds.
Crank: Campagnolo Record carbon converted to 1x
Cassette: 9sp 13-42t shimano HG
Rear Derailleur: shimano Deore 9sp
Shifter right Campagnolo Chorus carbon 10sp and Shifter left Campagnolo Chorus converted to just brake lever.
Once you go Campy for shifters, it's hard to go back! Back in the mid '90s I started using Sachs Ergopower 8 speed shifters with my Shimano XT and XTR drivetrains on my drop-bar mountain/gravel bikes. They're basically the exact same Campy Veloce 9 speed shifters that I run on my RB-1, but with Sachs 8 speed cams in them. On fleaBay you can often find the Sachs Ergopowers with both the front and rear paddles being polished aluminum. It goes really well with polished 8 speed XT components of that era. A nice classic look for sure.
oooh, nice tip! I am a fan of the weird Sachs stuff like the "new success" group. what a funny name! gonna have to look these up. thanks!
it’s true. i recently begrudgingly moved from campy chorus 11 on a disc bike to shimano grx, mostly for the really good braking, but a little for the out of the box wide cassette support. and i sorely sorely miss the lever feel.
i couldn’t for the life of me get the cable chorus levers to get anything resembling consistent and high quality disc braking, and in the hilly and wet PNW it’s pretty crucial.
@@jonamcc They're ugly as sin, but TRPs HY/RD self contained hydraulic calipers are real nice for running whatever cable brifter with 95% of true hydraulic stopping power. Ive put about 300 miles on mine now and the braking feel is phenomenal on my gravel bike. The modulation is good enough to get little rolling stoppies out of them, with enough stopping power when needed to overwhelm the front tire on pavement.
@@pathosdivision that’s what I was using previously, and they worked well at first (after I installed the campy mod) but the performance deteriorated with time. perhaps the pads were not good? alas i already made the swap.
Thanks @jonamcc, I was pondering doing the same thing on my bike. I have Sram Apex levers, and want to swap them out for my 94 veloces.
Like you and like your bikes!
Bumpin' Hot Water Music?! Hell yeah!!
love this audio love this dude
Very sharp!
I suddenly feel much, MUCH relieved over what I felt was my slightly excessive bike parts stockpile...
From one Ron to another 🙏
This is your brain on bicycles, kids!
Came for the shifters, stayed for the mountain laurel
Thanks for the improved audio! Now we can enjoy your suave voice mutch better
FINALMENTE!!!! SUPER STEREO SOUND RONNIE !
Thanks for the HWM!
10/11 speed sram derailleurs work fine with 10 speed campy shifters and standard 10 speed sram/shimano cassettes. Been running that setup on my cx bike for more than a decade. 10 speed chains are better developed than 9 and 8 speed and there is an enormous choice of 10 speed cassettes. Sram rival derailleurs can be picked up for $40 and work great. In really extreme weather I'll put an 8 speed cassette on for a snowy/icy cx rave and hope I'll find a couple of gears that work. 11 and 12 speed are just too finicky for cx unless you want to spend thousands and bring your bike to the shop every week
Hi, love your videos. I have tried every Campy , Shimano and Sram groupset built in the last 20 years, because just like you i want to mix and match, see what works. The way to describe the Campy shifting vs Shimano , Campy jumps the chain over the cogs and Shimano glides it over. To be fair the Sram red 10 feels a lot like Campy, very tactile and with a click noise every time, unfortunately the double function lever makes no sense. keep bringing cool content
I run a 3x10 on my 2011 specialized secteur elite(Rival rear shifter, gx rear derailleur, claris-tiagra triple front derailleur set, and a deore crank set). It is weird but nice when loaded down going up steep hills.
Cool. Love your bikes. Am more and more sickened by what ‘profit over people’ corporate men in suits are doing to our great bike( disc brake-road Bikes,made in China,greedily overpriced,in house bar/stem combo’,in house seatpin,in house wheels)UGLY! Am riding first generation 11 Speed Campy Record...Last year bought an Ibis Gravel bike..came with SRAM Red ETAP..after a few rides put Record 11 speed shifters and mechs,rear with medium cage and Paul Klamper brakes- brilliant. Also Shimano 11 speed cassette works great.Will sell SRAM groupo for over half what I payed for S/H bike. My son has my old 10 speed Campy Record and I built a Shimano 9 speed cassette that works great with 10 speed shifters. Keep sharing your thoughts and projects. Breath of fresh Air.
Biiig flex with those cranks!
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carving your own niche of hoop Dedo sets you apart from the skunk works in infinity
AMEN from the hoopdedoodoo
I love going into each of your videos and wondering how wildly different the audio quality and gags will be from the last video
Hello Romance. That is a beautyful combination and I love these Italian parts. One thing I love to do some strange things with is the Modolo Morphos. Some time ago I bought another shifter from them and they work great with a simple screw to ajust the cable pull. I guess they are still available 😍Modolo is so underestimated in my eyes and they are not expensive at all. ...Thanks for this exorbitant level of (information and) entertainment. Liebe Grüße🖖
Haven't read much good about them, your post makes me actually curious to get my hands on some!
@@brrrt6666 You need a little bit more strength because of shorter shifters I guess and it is a little more challenging for the thumbs at the beginning . With a precise cable Installation with no extreme cable radius they work nice and one can give them a try for that price. Liebe Grüße 🙋🏼♀️
@@kaffeemitcola6506 Sounds great, have lots of love for odd componentry, Grüße zurück!
Yes yes,cool brain there. How about a longer shop tour & bike check video? Say maybe this weekend?, tomorrow? ?
Smashed the hell out of this like button, grateful for the new video Thanks a million.
The shimano r3000 sora shifters works with tri color shimano 600 with an 11-34 9 speed cassette if you’re into old derailleurs with new shifters!
New mic is sounding great ron
I like this video and I like you and I like your bikes and I sure as shootin like that Hot Water Music song from Tony Hawk Pro Skater 4. I’m going to blast it right now.
Finally somebody else that says it - ankle socks are just the worst! If you want to look be a rebel and go barefoot, a sock's a sock's a sock.
Very nice video❤
much better audio. v proud of u, grav’ dad
😂😂😂 Ronnie you made me laugh so hard hahaha.
It’s great you mock everything the starchy stuffers take so seriously.
And by the way, I love the bike name “Malocchio” (Evil Eye). Hahahah 😂
Great videos, keep ‘em coming! 😁👍
Wonderful way to spend 16 minutes. Zero chance I could do any of the fettling without major $ damage but simply wonderful video
BROKOWSKI!!! You are exactly right about CAMPANGOLO shifting feel. My 1st 🥇 serious road bike I bought after I quit smoking in 2017. It’s a Rebellato (aluminum main triangle, carbon seat/chain stays, cf fork made in Castel Franco Italy 🇮🇹) was fitted with Veloce quick-shift 10spd. Love ‘em!! They feel like a well maintained Beretta 9mm cycling through its magazine while qualifying on a military marksman course (I’m an expat vet living here in N.E. Italy 🇮🇹).
Shimano shifters feel like big robotic arms from the Alien movie 🎥🥸😎🤓
I’ve had a similar issue finding good deals on their hubs and equipment on ebay…but I’ve managed to build them: Felt B2 Veloce 10spd, Kuota K-Factor Veloce 10spd (easier to swap rims;-), Rebellato got the Centaur 11spd (same hub size but bought chain/sprocket removal tools to share rims), Maino 1951 (Fausto Coppi helped design the frame) Campangolo 5spd (bought friction shifters, brakes C-record) rollin on Campy Delta 8spd…stretched the rear triangle…
Rims: cf campy tubular 50th anniversary, cf 60mm tri-spoke (Japanese brand), Campy Scirocco, Campy G3 Vento, Fulcrum Racing 3 (clincher), Fulcrum Racing Zero red anodized (tubular), Miche 707 (clincher), built Miche race hubs on DT Swiss clinger hoops, Sapim cx-ray flat blade; built Stans No Tube race series hubs, Sapim cx-ray flat bladed, 36mm cf tubular hoops….and that’s about it (Forest Gump voice 😅)
Bikes 4 the win!!!! (new sub here as well)
I had good luck combining a GRX 400 RD with tiagra 4700 brifters. Unfortunately it works best with race oriented crankset like a 52/39. The left brifter has a hard time making big chainring jumps in my experience. The value of doing this combo is gaining a rear clutch if that’s tickles your fancy.
We both have the same setup. Its nice to know that i am not the only one who double tap the left brifter just to shift to a smaller front chainring. Its not that I have a problem with it, lets just say i got used it and its fine with me. Going two years with this setup and i dont see the point of going up to 11 speed. This is perfection to me. Btw im running a 46-30 front and an 11-36 at the back. Plenty of range already.
Thanks Ron!
Campagnolo still produce a set of up to date Record hubs which of course will accept 8/9/10/11 and 12 Campagnolo cassettes. Like the video, made me smile in a good way. Peace...
I got 13 bikes so I can relate to the parts mania..big fan of 8 speeds..Old Shimano derailleurs last forever,just replace the jockey wheels as needed ⚙️🚲🔧