An Incredible Chess Problem 😮
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Puzzle FEN:
8/5R2/1r6/8/3R4/q5kp/7p/7K w - - 0 1
Puzzle Details:
Y. Hoch, 1980
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anyone notice the exact same position is on the board in the background?
Couple of questions:
1. In an actual game, how do I realise that I need to seek a draw instead of trying to win?
2. How do I see the difference between RC1 and RE2? Does that come with practice?
if u lose your piece for nothing you might seek a draw
nise puzzle! i thought i found some loopholes, but when i went back and checked, they were all covered.
I was about to ask the same question but then realized that when the king moves it's no longer defending the h pawn hence rook b1 is no checkmate
A really peculiar puzzle!
I would have needed several magic blueberries to solve it.
Assuming your elo is 100 and assuming u meant like 5 blueberries, you would have 2500 elo. If the multiplications didn't stack together, you would be 312,500 elo.
(The magic blueberries multiply ELO by 5)
magic blueberries dont exist
grow up
@@shreyjain3197 Who knows these days. Some individuals are suspected of putting things in their anus... whos to say you cant swallow couple of ''berries'' that start beeping morse code in your gut?! Call it... magic.
@@shreyjain3197 They do....and better than Hans Niemnanns method. 🙂
@@shreyjain3197 Know what you're talking about bruh
There's a series on this channel involving magic blueberries, that's what we were talking about
Crazy qeens and rooks is probably the weirdest tactical concept chess has: one of the reasons I'd absolutely hate for the stalemating rule to change (which has been called out for a couple of times). In this case, it shows that planning a deperado spree is necessary at times which is, looking at other games of similar origin just a mind blowing concept. As for the puzzle itself, I got the Kf3 line quite quickly, but seeing the subtleties in the Kf2 line went over my head.
Ah yes, the qeen is my favorite piece
It’s annoying but the rule makes sense
Great analysis
although its pretty hard to do so in a game this is a good example as to why doubling up pawns is bad (especially at the edge of the board)
Ok, I heard about this case. It's named "Frantic rook" 😅
Quite Incredible.
Agree.
Indeed so
Yep
But easy to see sacrifice for draw
This is an incredible puzzle. Which rooks should be moved which checks you should delivery are the main ideas of this puzzle! If you move the wrong rook or wrong check, you lose.
Oh yeah a great puzzle from Chess Vibes 👍
At 2:53 there is a quicker way to draw the game with RG3+ KxF4 and RxA3 but as you said black with best play will play the other move
yes i thought the same you win the queen but you also loose a rook and black will secure 1 pawn so you wont be able to draw.
@@ParthkrGarg Actually the situation would be the same if Black plays Kf4 at 2:57. I think it's a draw because black won't make progress after securing the pawn.
Yeah actually black will losse the pawn as well and then both will have one rook
And i think it will be a draw not sure about rook endgames
@@ParthkrGarg easy draw from sure not even need to watch endgame tablebase the black have to lose the h2 pawn next move, and the H pawn was full guard from king.
INCREDIBLE!
The stalemate wasn’t exactly the only trick white could use to draw. It could also trade the rook for the queen if the black king was far enough. Then the white king could take the two pawns and it would again be a draw.
Also at 2:10, if you use the left rook first to fork the queen and king, with the intention of getting black to take with king and skewering to take the queen, black will simply take with the queen.
If the black king ever got too far at the end it's actually a win for white because you can checkmate with just a king and a rook
Don't you love it when there's a crucial h2 pawn from your enemy that you want DEFENDED and every move you keep sacrificing your ROOOOOOOOK just to keep yourself (as the king) trapped?
I got to do something similar in a tournament game. I blundered early on, and my opponent swarmed in, surrounding my king and taking most of my pieces. The fun (for me, playing Black) begins with the position 8/7k/4R3/2N1B3/1P4R1/2PP3P/r1K2P1P/8 .
White blundered with 43. Kd1?? Rd2+ 44. Ke1 Re2+ and I keep my rook on the second rank, checking. (I capture the pawn at f2.) When I got to 48. ... Rg2+ (White king on g1) 49. Kh1 Rg1+ (not Rxh2, because Bxh2 releases the stalemate) and no matter how White captures the rook, I'm stalemated.
this type of chess puzzles makes my mind bow🤯
At 3:03 when you illustrate e3 you can come down and check with g3 and once the kings moves out of the way the queen falls.
Now that was a crazy puzzle
5:59 but nelson you can go on c file for couple of moves and keep checking with your rook and keep sacing it so it cant go under the queen
Me getting deja vu:
this one was really good, well done
Could you still get a draw after check on E2 by taking the pawn with the rook and queen can’t take bcuz she and the last pawn would be captured
So amazing!! 🤯
The funny thing I got the first couple moves right despite only being a lowly 2000 player (and waaaay lousier at fast time controls).
Hi nelson love your vids!
5:35 rook e5 also makes a stalemate right after queen takes
Kf3 line, if black leaves the queen hanging for the second rook attack (fork): that option was not explored. Stockfish is disappointed. It has many potential if you are not thinking as a human.
I thought it was hopeless but Nelson, you tricked me!😂❤💭
2:50 What about Rg3+, skewering the queen?
The beauty of Chess !.
4:00 Ra7 Qa7, Rb1 Kb1 stalemate😅
Yeah it's too good if you want to get mated in one move 😂
I looked at the thumbnail for 5 minutes. Just find a way to sac the rooks. Rf3 obviously because black is forced to take that, but idk how to sac the other one before checkmate.
Incredible puzzle 🧩
Why at 2:56 King F2 doesn't work?
4:13 What if Black continue moving the King? Then White play Rook to e1 or Rook to e2!!!
Nice puzzle
You never showed why the Queen pinned due to the king while on row 2 also leads to a draw. Say the king moves. Rook takes queen, king takes rook, king takes pawn, king moves, king takes other pawn .. two kings only stalemate.
A bit like finding a needle in a hay stack for me.
0:21 F3 isn't actually a threat, since white can take back with the rook and check, buying white some time.
It's not the only way to draw cuz u can also do this backwards with rd3 forking queen and king forcing capture then after qxd3 another forced move with rf3 and then takes with king to f3 and making it stalemate
If black doesn't take rd3 then u take blacks queen and ur already winning
It's wrong actually cuz there's the rook which can mate u and instead of the king black can capture f3 with queen so Im wrong I'm a shitty player and I should quit
Oh I'm actually right if you sacrifice the rooks in the third move u will only have the king making it stalemate cuz the king has no moves yeah I'm great cuz I saw this
Great video. There is no way I would find it in a real game.
I was thinking e1c1 c2c1 stalemate, but black can run.
great and cool
Ay 2:00 Kxp is pretty good
What if black plays kc2 after rd7+?
Edit: figured it out. Re2+. If black king stays on c file, check with rook on e file, if black king goes to b file, check with rook on d file. Black king can't reach a1 or a2.
If Rook on f7 was on e7 its too easy but this tricked me .
Like always stay sharp, teach smart and take care !!
(Ref:Nelson)
Nelson, I love your puzzle videos, however the recent few have excessively artificial setups. Can you try to do more puzzles from real games? They are far more enjoyable.
RF4. Re4
On the queen skewer, cant you just sack the queen and checkmate with the rook if they take it?
There is no checkmate since white can take the pawn on h2
Even though I am a 1400 player but I still manages to do all of it right! IT'S NOT LUCK!! It's about deep calculating that I made.
i paused at 0:09 and i think you give up the rooks so you can draw.
Awesome
alternate title: how can white farm brilliant moves?
I thought you would address the case when you fork the queen and king with the white rook, but instead of taking the rook, black lets you take the queen. They still have another rook and the white king is trapped. Perhaps it's trivial but I think we have homework.
I noticed that possibility but if you take the queen, the black rook gives check but Kxh2 is available and you draw easily
King and rook vs King and rook and (multiple) rook's pawn is a draw when the king blocks the promoting square.
In 2:52 why can’t we just skewer the back king and take the queen?
Rg7, Kf3, Rd3, Qxd3, Rg3
But I'm not sure about Kf2
All these stalemate shenanigans are soo boring! I really wish chess had the same "skip" rule as Go, so that any player can skip turns, and if both players skip, well, in chess that would be a draw and in go it's the end and start of points counting.
Black can't checkmate in Qf3, because the rook captured the Queen. 0:18
How on earth did a position like this come to be 😂😂🤣
And if you had the chance to look at that 😂
Best chess channel
Bro if black king steps out of the way and white rook takes the queen there is rook b1 and the game is simply over for white.
1:21 what if black plays Kf4
Nv mind white takes the queen as there is no mate threat
At what level can players calculate all this in their mind before making the first move shown here?
Probably Cn or even im if they are in a tournament
Calculating it all at once is incredibly difficult, but intermediate players can probably follow steps towards the general direction of stalemate and come up with the correct moves as they go.
@@RitmosMC yeah but that guy asked at what level one should to be able to calculate it all at once
1:10 Couldn’t black just move the king down and sac the queen, once rook takes queen then rook b1 with rook is mate for black no?
White can take the pawn on h2 so it's not checkmate
@@Darthrevan333 ohhhh I see now ty
1:34 you dont take right cus of the rook checkmate threat you cant take the queen?
so blakc wins right?
you can always sac the queen cus of rook check mate just ignore the skewer for black
im 800 elo btw so im prob stupid
Rd3+ Rg3+
Actually if it was black’s turn at the start of the puzzle black could win
Somehow i got it correct lol
very nice one
Continue fisher ,story
Rook to c2 I see but I thought rook Can work straight but when I saw rook to d2 I shocked and now I know chess is ultimate game many things matter 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
No the white lose the black just move the rook to check and checkmate
When are you gonna do a puzzle where black is winning. Every one of these was white winning. I wanna see the black pieces get some love. 😊
this puzzle was actually very easy compared to the other puzzles you have made. (600 elo)
Rg7+===
69k views when I'm watching this
Rook d4>d3 Rook d7>d3
huh just blunder both of ur rooks?
Why couldn't black just sac the Queen, and mate with his rook ?
Because there is no mate.
The king can take the pawn on h2
@DarthRevan Yes, you're right .
I checked again, and realised this.
Cool idea! UwU
Q ×R
3rd like i love this channel
White white again... Boring
Please explain everything. I am not watching your video after you explained first Black's mistake . Please don't be careless.
he did, though?
The video is, actually, 9 minutes long! Shocking right!?
This was interesting
Hi Jenny!