The Christian Meaning of Enlightenment
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Presenter: Richard Rohr, O.F.M., founding director, Center for Action and Contemplation, and popular author
The Christian Meaning of Enlightenment
ANNUAL EVELYN UNDERHILL LECTURE IN CHRISTIAN SPIRITUALITY
July 10, 2010
Presenter: Richard Rohr, O.F.M., founding director, Center for Action and Contemplation, and popular author
In this lecture Fr. Rohr presents the results of his research on the contemplative mind and tradition. He believes contemplation teaches people an alternative way of reading reality that is non-dualistic, and therefore allows people to love enemies, forgive offenses, live with paradox and mystery, and "know" God. Its loss is at the heart of the religious discouragement and regression today. Its rediscovery is at the heart of our deepest hope.
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I am so glad Christianity is growing up so beautifully. About time! Bless you Fr Richard xx
me too
What Richard is teaching unfortunately is in the minority of Christianity...as in 10% or less. Mainstream fundamentalism in the church today views Richard as a heritic.
This man is an absolute gift to the world.
I’m a Christian who is on the spiritual journey of enlightenment! Thank you for this video. 🙏🏻🧘♂️😇💐💕
good im glad a chistan is following the correct way :)
I cannot say enough good things about Father Rohr. He gets it. What could Christianity really be and do if we all understood things in a non-dualistic, mystical, enlightened way? No more dangling carrots. It's here. It's in you. It's in me. It's in everything. 🙏
Amen👏🏼💛
Dear Richard, no one can teach us about the love of Jesus better than you. You have helped me to be better Christian and brought me closer to Jesus. God bless you.
This gentleman’s message needs to be heard. It makes such sense. Until we can defeat the ego we aren’t going to get very far. Bless you Fr. Richard.
God grant you many years, Fr. Rohr.
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secret text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim [ line of ismail ]
Truly brings the Bible to life.
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secret text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim [ line of ismail ]
"Where you stumble and fall, there you'll find gold."
Grace was given here un asked for undeserved ….it radically changed this life one could say over night….though there was a seeming journey to understand what had happened…which ended in the joy of not knowing or needing to know…Amen…om shanti shanti shanti🕉☯️❤️🙏🏼
This is a very holy (and whole) man
This man is a gem. This is why mainstream Christianity is dying...hopefully real Christianity will take its place.
Alan Ross excellent points.
Couldn't agree more.
Alan Ross Show your confidence in your religion, science or reason. I suggest you with respect that you follow the Holy Quran, if you don't agree with me? then after death liar will take other's and his whole nation's sins, do you agree? Be brave now.
(Don't relate pseudo Muslims with Holy Quran, remember according to holy books and science dead mankind or Jesus is Noncommunicable.)
👍👍👍🕊🍀
He's just illuminating real Christianity.
Only Christian I’ve heard that speaks my language! Let’s accept each other with kindness. ♥️🌹
I realized the importance of what Jesus said, "Love your enemy and bless those who curse you."
When he said quantum physics my heart skipped a beat! This guy is 🤌🏼🤌🏼🤌🏼
Love this lecture. So insightful and spiritually building
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A new theology, a new spirituality given to us by one of the greatest Masters of our time. It will reach, with all its transformative richness, with its deepest Christian Truth, those who are called to live in the light, and change Christianity.
Dora Amador Chihuahua Chihuahua....lots of prayers all over , I'm Not sure if this man speaks truth or is a complete heretic , may the Holy Spirit guide us ALL !😇
I am experienceing enlightenment and its truly amazing.
New, this is not. Gospel of Thomas.
Complete heretic.
This is not a new theology. This is Eastern Orthodox Hesychasm.
Thank you Fr Richard for “ giving me permission “ to be where I am in this world. I’ve been on this spiritual journey a while, and have stumbled a lot! I studied eastern religion a little bit, and thought, too bad I can’t practice that way, but you explain things so well, I think I get it, that I don’t have to leave any thing out.
I always imagine God listening to us reciting the Apostles Creed in church and after we say it He says, "And?".
Enlightenment. The endowing of the True Light. To behold the truth of reality in Love.
Blessing to Brother Rohr! May God's big Heart fill us!
I love Fr. Richard Rohr! I am going to be talking about many of the same topics. Please do me a great kindness and subscribe to my channel UA-cam.com/JobyChrist... Thank you, thank you, thank you!
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What a brace man, to try to take the word and make it not only accessible but compatible with that which most Christian’s consider to be “other” or outside of Christian thought. So many people would be angry after hearing this man speak, but inclusion is the way of Jesus. Thank you for your boldness and your truth. And most of all for using both minds to see the gospel with fresh eyes. Peace and love brothers and sisters
This is a ride of revelation!!! 🥰🥰🥰🥰
Wow! 😮 A thumbs up from me! Thank you for sharing. I could listen to Richard all day.
Hi Ally. I love Fr. Richard Rohr! I am going to be talking about many of the same topics. Please do me a great kindness and subscribe to my channel UA-cam.com/JobyChrist... Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Me too
Likewise! What this gentleman says makes such sense! Bless him!
What a treasure Richard Rohr is... especially for those of us who have turned our backs to Christianity because of its narrowness.
i was gonna leave Christianity for Islam because it didn't add up or make sense but I had a vision while sitting on my couch and so decided to stay as a Christian even though it doesn't make sense!! I surrender to and accept the fact that I'm not all knowing!! It's all about Surrender and Acceptance and Stillness!!
Curtis, what you say is so true. I left Christianity in the late 1980s. And yet here I am listening. I keep hoping against hope that soemone will reveal the beauty that I felt (and feel) in Christianity. And here is lovely Richard Rohr.......where was he when I was younger?
Mind is blown!
simply beautiful
Everything illuminated becomes light.
Honesty is always beautiful ❤🎉
I left Catholicism (and all religions, although I feel a deep kinship with Buddhism) long ago because what I had been taught made no impact on me. It was just a learnt parroting of beliefs that I didn't truly believe. He has restored a sense that Christianity does have something to offer that can make a real difference in how life is lived and experienced.
Our blessed Mother keep this Brother Rohr.
Thank you, Mr Rohr xx
If Christianity recognized this I would never have left Christendom. They miss the beauty and the joy. They are unable to see the perfection of their own being, made in the image of ----
Research the orthodox church's teaching on Deification. It's the Christian mystical form of enlightenment.
I left Christianity for the same reasons. I couldn't tolerate or understand the "competition", as he puts it, between religions, between denominations, between people of the same denomination
competing for who is the most Christian. If God created us all then each and every person is dearly loved and precious to him. Every person, from the athiest to the pope. So why are we competing with each other to be holiest among us? Why aren't we just reaching out to others to help them realize the same truth, in whatever context makes sense to them?
This guy gets it & this talk has put what I've been feeling into practical terms.
Thank you, Rev. Rohr! Fantastic presentation.
@@saratonnan True Christianity is all about relationship with God and that can only happen if one accepts Jesus and His condition of access. if you leave Christ due to man's flawed doings, then you will be the saddest person in eternity. what kind of excuse when you stand in front of Him and say I walk away because I don't like what others are doing.
Wouldn’t of helped you either way. Get asbestos under wear!
@@buzzledoux7572 This is just about the least-loving sentiment, and I hear it from Christians often. If you truly believed that people burned for eternity, then it's nothing less than psychopathic for you to laugh at such a thing. So either your belief is really just a superiority complex, or you're sick.
It feels as if l am hearing my inner thoughts, beliefs,
dreams and hopes, enunciated for the first
time.
Likewise! No dogma, no isms, just truth.
Beautiful
AMEN!
The Greek Fathers understood 'salvation' as the process of gratuitous deification enabled by the loving mercy of God in the Incarnation and the Resurrection. This tradition is still alive and well in the Orthodox Church.
Agree, and for those not familiar with what he’s saying when he references ‘the Greeks’ he’s talking about Aristotle, Plato etc not our Eastern Christian brethren. Pax et bonum
Prophet Richard Rohr is the touch something in me that open up my eyes that light it's like a light turned on in my third eye no he's real close to what I think God Jesus the Holy Spirit it's trying to bring across to humanity come on now he close 2 spiritual reality games in Highland Park Michigan
This is huge.
Wonderful guidance 🌹🙏🎓🎓🎓🎓🎓
Wonderfully informative
Father Richard, thank you for these diamonds and jades you share with us without any charge.
This was an amazing presentation. Thank you so much!
Magnificent presentation: I have read almost all of his books and listen to his daily meditations for years.
This presentation was his finest! Bless you Richard.
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Narrow is the way and few find it
Strait and narrow steve ,,,
And what do you think this means ?
I suggest it means to keep your eye ( your I ) Strait and narrowly focused on yourself
@keithcatalino766 no I is the self. Yourself becomes is the God withing . You embody.him
Good stuff pastor 😊
Thank you for sharing :-)
The Fellowship of the mystery is how Paul the Apostle encountered and experienced the knowledge of Christ.
Thanks Marta Spain 🙏
40 years in an hour....proof RR has unitive experience
The man is brill
The jack hammer and saws tho... Boston College should have re located this talk. Such a wonderful talk!
HE WHO HEARS U, HEARS ME,
Have countries with a non-dualistic mindset been any better than “Christian” countries at loving?
Thank you Richard. In Hebrew there is no sound w. It's yehovah. Ye, God, who is ah. You are still correct.
Seems enlightenment is taking over the understanding of salvation!
_ Salvation is a false teaching originated by Paul and propagated first by the Catholic church and then by most of the protestant denominations.
_ The followers of Jesus in Jerusalem actually questioned Paul as to what Jesus he was teaching, because they did not recognize anything that Paul was preaching, and they were actually with Jesus.
_ Paul never met Jesus and only claimed that he met Jesus in his dreams. This is a manufacture of mind, and the mind can never be trusted, it is the great deceiver.
Salvation means healing. If we’ve twisted it into “in” and “out” of communion, then doubling down on it will not get us to a place called Heaven.
There is an interesting theory that when Jesus referred to ‘the eye’ singularly he was actually talking about yogic wisdom about the pineal gland and meditation/enlightenment techniques.
Omg you got there! Awesome
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Yes, the third eye chackra. The inner eye.
Can't see it any other way. 👁️
Just as the left and the right eye unite to create depth perception, the third eye creates multi-dimensional perception through the unification of all opposites.
Thanks Marta 🙏 Marta Spain
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Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secret text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim [ line of ismail ]
Perfect
Has inspired me to post on face book great what one migth say is well-informed mysticism etc , the song we are ONE IN THE SPIRIT comes to mind as we sat round thumping our jambees, original participation the axial period is nothing more than the loss of this and the growth of the tradition , the convention the system which becomes quite naturally corrupt , Jesus was pre and post axial , he was One and bothe post the conventional modality which is so muddled with "neuroticism" as to be as much an obstacle as a help .
So much hate in this comment section for this man. So sad so many can't recognize the Truth. So many threatened by this message.
Similar to someone else who spoke the truth and was hated…even crucified.
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Infinite love will not make a finite conclusion. There is no hell because the is no vengeful conclusion. That’s ludicrous
I’ll put it simply the Catholic religion is not another denomination that is a completely different religion! The true church has always understood this!
The true church are those who love God and love their neighbour .
I love how he embraces his title of heretic.
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There is another esoteric understanding of the name Allah. al (The) La (No-Thing) H(-ness) God is Nothingness, that is to say, that God is beyond Thingness. The word thing is related to Think / Thought, so it means beyond comprehension.
Seriously , prayers for you . Blessings & lots of love....very sad.
S. G. do you need more sandwiches ?
While I admit there is a great deal of truth to Fr. Rohr's teachings, I struggle with the "non-dual" mind. I don't think the non-dual mind offers a sufficient explanation for the existence of evil, nor does it allow for the mind to grow/learn. How can the mind/human grow/learn from mistakes if it can't critique itself? Also, how can the human race deal with the evils of the world if we don't have a dualistic mind? For example, just because I have a non-dualistic mind, doesn't mean everyone else will. Murderers will still kill people. So how do we create a system that will prevent people from doing that without a dualistic mind? A non-dual thinker says, we can't judge, let only God judge. However, if we don't judge there is a high probability this individual will kill again. While I agree, that we need to tone down our dualistic minds and stop passing judgement in many ways in our lives, I don't think it's possible to abolish it. I'm not saying we need to perfectly define justice, but we need some sort of justice system to stop clear objectively true evils in the world. Once you say you need to define objective evil, you need a dual thinking mind to judge what is good, and what is evil. This is necessary to create a society in which heaven can be present on earth.
The question is one of right use of the dual mind. For example one needs to be able to distinguish hot from cold. One does not need to make another person wrong and less than in order to be right. When the mind oversteps it's purpose and usurps the responsibilities of the heart, humankind runs into problems.
@Winchestah dear Lord is that the King James Version's translation? Does it not make a distinction between natural disaster and evil? Most biblical translations have disaster where KJV says evil. As in God created the tornado and the effects of that creation can be felt by man. Evil is a whole different thing which is not created by God because an absence can not be created.
He is a nondualist, a Perennialist, and follower of non-christian Perennialist Ken WIlber and his integral spirituality. He does not follow or teach Christianity. I've been reading and listening to Rohr for several years and warning people about him. He believes, as does Wilber, that we are evolving toward a "higher" consciousness in which nonduality is the highest level. He says this on his blog. He also makes a distinction between Jesus and "The Christ." His Cosmic Christ is not Jesus Christ, the son of God. Beware!
_ There is no such thing as a non-dual mind.
_ The mind is dual by nature and thus the instigator of all human problems.
_ Non-duality (advaita meaning not two) is the actual realization of the oneness of all. The mind categorizes, divides, qualifies and separates.
_ This introduces problems in all dimensions of thought as concerns the human economy.
_ @@cheapshot2842 - that, of course, is a personal opinion, and therein lie the problems of the world.
Does anyone know from which translation of the Bible he's quoting?
Christian term for enlightenment is called salvation. Easy peasy
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Totally agree with you. Although wrong be a judgment, I think Jesus came to save us from ourselves and we only listened to the parts we wanted to that served christians purposes. RR is trying to do the same (save us from ourselves) now. We can choose to listen or we can choose to do it the old way and beat ourselves in the head because we can never be right enough or good enough.
He would agree with you.
I agree with Richard. But he should also say some positive things about the Catholic Chruch too. Every time he mentions the Church it's to say something negative. I think the good that the Church did and well as the bad needs to be acknowledged.
I think be criticizes it so much because he loves it so deeply! X
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IF WE COULD NOT UNDERSTAND jesus 2000 years ago,who are u 2000 years later,that we should listen to u?
As time continues, humanity develops a greater ability to understand and appreciate the past steps taken in building a foundation for a greater and greater grasp of knowledge and enlightenment. In our individual lives, we have the opportunity to increase our knowledge, understanding, and capacity to open our hearts and accept ourselves and others. It is an ongoing process and may include wonderful spiritual experiences.
You make it sound like god and christ are two enities.
Hello darkest my old friend, I've come to talk to you one again...
No duality, no unity.
Something I don't understand here. RR is a Catholic who, as far as I know, has not been ex-communicated. So, is he espousing Catholic doctrine? Is this is what is now taught in Catholic Churches? I ask because it seems very far from my understanding of how the RC sees itself. (Of course my 'understanding' could be and probably is, very flawed - which is why I am asking the question.)
I have spent a lot of time in Catholic monasteries. Many monasteries are in line with what Richard is teaching here. They may not use his name, but they are along the same line of thinking and practice. You seldom find this, however, in a Catholic Parish church. It just has not penetrated that deeply yet.I think it will in time. In fact, I think if it doesn’t, the church will collapse. People are hungry for an experience of God. If the Christian or Catholic church does not give them this experience, they will seek it out in other religions. In fact, they are already doing that in large numbers.
I agree. I’m a catholic and a Franciscan. The mystical, nondual experience of God is there- hiding in plain sight. Priests do not preach it because they are mostly concerned with keeping parishioners in the rails, keeping the church buildings and little groups humming along without making waves. Even in our Franciscan fraternities, we’re mostly a Happy Death Francis Fan Club with ritual and tradition put above any true communion with God and neighbor. It’s very hard to dismantle the ego and if we don’t, then our organizations are egoic and self protective. It’s a challenge to participate once you’ve had a unitive experience. Pax et bonum🤎
Read Owen Barfield. It's much more than what impression one gets here. It's not like we made a mistake. It's actually a neccessary step towards final participation. Owen barfield says we lost some things, and gained others. We must now regain in a conscious manner what we lost, the particpatory, not by simply going backwards, but rather by understanding the developments, keeping the value. We have for example gained an actual ability to appreciate nature for her own sake, where consciousness before would be interrested in nature as a sort of mirror of oneself, and even earlier not really have the ability to distinguish anything and even be aware of individual existence. It's not a mistake that we hsve that now, but it's not the end of the story either.
In which of his books doors he write on this topic you mention?
I’m sorry but the same one who said love your enemy, also said don’t cast your jewels too the swine…
Why do I have to side with (a) progressives who tolerate everything or (b) conservatives who damn everyone to hell who doesn't subscribe to their dogmas? It's the dilemma that prevents me from being either left or right wing politically.
If we put politics aside, I think that most average people didn't have much opinion about religious issues. What was important to them was how they got along with their friends and family and co-workers. They needed help overcoming pain and suffering, as well as managing their lives. Whether we have immortal souls or if there is a heaven, really doesn't mean much in those terms.
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Who is this speaker, please?
It is Fr. Richard Rohr, O.F.M. as you can see in the video description.
So many people have been sent to Psychiatric institutions for proclaiming we are one, I am in all and all is in me.
Wow. And who are you?
Yes, he is a mystic. That's why he understands the wonderful world from God's view.
Myra Donnelly you don't know if he's a mystic , u r NOT inside of him. I'm NOT Judgemental as far as where someone will go after death. But am able to say what's right or wrong. I find him scary. I don't want to be prideful in anyway , but my intuition tells me he might be off the path to heaven , hoping I'm wrong. 🌈
millar jeff do you really know Christ? We must ascend above the limited dogmas men have told you to believe. There is only One that should be believed above the men in the world and that is the Word which dwells in your soul, just above the material egomind of the head.
Get rid of the belief of a mighty devil which rivals God. The adversary is the unrefined ego mind of man which is very wicked. Good luck! You will be amazed as you realize the truths hidden in plain sight everywhere, just keep ego in check.
Returned to this video after 4 months. Our very doubting and closed Catholic brothers and sisters, please stop loving in fear and realize that Christianity is evolving, just as our human understanding of the universe is evolving. We are no longer the center of our solar system, and the earth is not flat. Your faith formation is not being threatened by allowing it to mature. God is still love all the way through.
Unfortunately, he is not a mystic. Fooled himself and some of us.
What bible are u preaching from?
I cross reference every one of them! Lol. Idk about other religions but, for me, the Christian/catholic church taught many falsified/edited (misinterpreted?) bible messages. It's disheartening but on my journey for truth, i now know that they added, and omitted too many vital beliefs in me. Be as Christ was. That's it. No dogmas! No division! •♡•
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It is too late ,
Why is he referring to John 1:9 as "light that IS coming to the world" 20:45, while Bible translations use past tense?
Strong's, the Bible translation interpretation source makes it clear the word 'erchomi' is used in the present tense in John 1:9.
His teaching on compassion is Biblical, however he has departed from Scripture teaching that forgiveness of sins is not necessary. Alternative Franciscan Orthodoxy doctrine states that no atonement for sin is necessary. Without the blood atonement of Christ, there is no salvation. That is not Biblical, but is the popular antiChrist spirit of the age. True sheep, stay with the words of Christ in Scripture and beware the angel of light is most seductive. Blessings!
I think it is impossible to identify a person's total theology in one presentation. From hearing many talks by Richard, i believe he is highlighting the small cultural boxes we tend to place biblical concepts in. We read the gospels normally from the limited boundaries of our cultural understanding, and this run the risk of missing it's power. He wishes to point this out in hopes of opening one's heart to deeper meaning. After all, God is much bigger than we can capture with our words.
“Binary thinking is bad…” but to even make such a judgement is binary thinking, isn’t it?
Is Jesus not being binary when he separates the sheep from the goats?
You cannot escape rationality unless you enter irrationality
The problem is human sin, not rational thought itself
You probably need to define what you mean by rational thought. Thought, rational or otherwise, does not exist apart from human existence, so is inextricably bound up with sin.
WE kNOW WHO JESUS WAS ALREADY 2000 YEARS, AGO. the disciples or apostles knew better than 21 century pop psychology
You. " know" ....
Hmmmm
You must be 2000 yrs old .
Happy 2001 birthday steve
He's a Franciscan. You know St. Francis?
This is a very confusing non lecture.
Why is there someone running a chainsaw in the background?
This is not Christianity; it's Perennialism and nondualism which is what Rohr supports and believes in. He teaches it using Christian references but it's not what Christians have confessed for 2,000 years.
_ Not exactly 2000 years. The first 300 years and maybe a bit more there were "real" Christians (who were actually Jews, as Jesus was).
_ It was Paul who started his own brand of 'Christianity' which the brethren in Jerusalem questioned ( check it out, it is in the New Testament ).
_ What people today call Christianity with the 'Trinity' doctrine, was never taught by Jesus.
_ The bible has been 'doctored' so much that Jesus' actual teachings are difficult to discern by someone who would rather be told what to believe by the 'church'.
_ They have put words in Jesus' mouth that have distorted his original teaching.
@@wladicus1 Check out the New Testament? Why don't you give a verse citation for your claim. The bible was doctored and nobody knows the real teachings of Jesus except you. Right...
No the "Christian "message is worse. Beleive or suffer eternally.
today's christians are sedomised version
YES I didn't like TM either the great who say ? See exactly TM just projecting out of his shadow quote Jung but do not understand him , he was a mixed up old man I am afraid .
That is the ego must be understood by a process of self therapy analysis deconstruction and self-examination , "being" is so easily hijacked by the ego mind .