Dick Brickner's 2022 Varroa Mite Treatments & Results

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  • Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
  • Tennessee beekeeper Dick Brickner shares his results of combining formic acid strips and oxalic acid extended release for varroa mite control.
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  • @kamonreynolds
    @kamonreynolds Рік тому +17

    It is exciting to have more tools in the tool box. However, as I have said in person and on some of my videos, OA extended release has limitations! I don't think at this point we have a OAE that is a large punch to the mite population. But rather a "hold the line" treatment
    This is still useful, but we must understand that we likely should use this in conjunction with our current treatment regime. This will keep mite loads low until we are ready to use Apiguard, formic pro, or some other treatment to clean up our bees for winter! I hope that we see this 1 - 2 punch strategy become legal in Tennessee soon! See you in January Bob!

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Рік тому +5

      Well said, thank you.

    • @Hive5Bees
      @Hive5Bees Рік тому +2

      Exactly what we see in our operation too

    • @RyanMcDonnough
      @RyanMcDonnough Рік тому +2

      Exactly. And Randy Oliver has said as much - it isn’t intended to significantly reduce a high mite population - it is intended to prevent a low mite load from becoming a high mite load.

    • @dendel6708
      @dendel6708 Рік тому +1

      If you treat early in the year before brood with oa vapor and then apply extended release ( now legal in NY as well) while more populations are low you can get through to the fall where you can use vapor again - works for me at least

    • @dendel6708
      @dendel6708 Рік тому

      Mite

  • @aCanadianBeekeepersBlog
    @aCanadianBeekeepersBlog Рік тому +26

    What a sexy backdrop on your video opening dialogue. Nothing screams professional experience than a backdrop of a stocked well organized shed ready to be used in production.
    Holds your rockstar status
    Keep up keeping your videos real. That’s the draw to your content

  • @bobbinnie9872
    @bobbinnie9872  Рік тому +9

    Although I have personally experienced mixed results with oxalic extended release treatments many people report that it is consistently helpful. Dick Brickner is one of them.

    • @RyanMcDonnough
      @RyanMcDonnough Рік тому

      The sponges worked very well for me this year. See my comment above.

    • @aCanadianBeekeepersBlog
      @aCanadianBeekeepersBlog Рік тому +2

      They are said to work in western Canada aswell

    • @solivaguswayfarer
      @solivaguswayfarer Рік тому

      Do we have any better understanding of the mode of action OA has on the mites? Thanks for sharing Bob ☺️

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Рік тому +1

      @@solivaguswayfarer Not that I know of.

    • @danielweston9188
      @danielweston9188 Рік тому +2

      @@solivaguswayfarer It was known long before OA was used on Bees for Mites( they didn't just pull OA out of a Hat for Bee mites) that OA's primary effect on other mites biology is the binding of Ca ions (this is same effect making kidney stones and causing gout in humans).
      As soft body insects use Ca ions to route chemical communications with in the body this binding makes mites unable to respond to "taste & smells" , locate brood cells or feed. As the Ca in Bees exoskeleton is already bound OA has little effect on Honey Bees.

  • @tnbluegrassbees
    @tnbluegrassbees Рік тому +3

    Thank you Dick for sharing your data and Bob for getting it to the masses. It certainly makes for a compelling discussion. It's encouraging to see continued research for better mite treatment and management.

    • @R_Brickner
      @R_Brickner Рік тому

      And if every bee club and other beekeepers would get on board in 2023 with extended release OA (since we can do it legally), look at what we could accomplish toward getting the EPA to finally approve this method of mite treatment. Dick Brickner

  • @Dr.JsBees-jeffrector
    @Dr.JsBees-jeffrector Рік тому +1

    Thanks Bob for providing more information on this ongoing battle with varroa!

  • @chuckt7636
    @chuckt7636 Рік тому +5

    I live in Buffalo, New York. It's my understanding that we have also been given the go ahead with extended OA pad treatments. And also given the "recipe" to make them. For now I'll stick with vapor, it works for me. I haven't lost a hive in 2 years (I only have 3). KNOCKING ON WOOD!

  • @dandahlberg4452
    @dandahlberg4452 Рік тому +3

    I am a new beekeeper in Bellingham WA and have used RO's OAE 50/50 on Swedish sponges the past two years with Apivar in the fall if needed and 3 OAV's in Dec. I have applied the sponges in May. Last year I had 100% of my 13 hives winter over and this year with 27 hives I have no dead outs yet and bees from all 27 colonies were flying and looked very active on a warm day yesterday. I am a fan of the 1/2 punch method so far.

  • @CastleHives
    @CastleHives Рік тому +3

    Thank you for sharing this, Bob. We will all continue to grow as a community by having information like this out there.

  • @CreekBottomBeeCompany
    @CreekBottomBeeCompany Рік тому +3

    As a sheep and goat farmer, we have had to consistently deal with off label uses to keep our animals alive and productive. I'm moving into bees and seeing a similar predicament in the bee industry. Thank you for lending your knowledge and most importantly your voice to these issues.

  • @houstonsheltonbees814
    @houstonsheltonbees814 Рік тому +2

    I agree Bob that the more information we share as beekeeper's the better we all are. Thanks buddy, good health to you and your family. Happy Holidays and God bless 👍

  • @brucesouthernsassapiaries8316
    @brucesouthernsassapiaries8316 Рік тому +1

    As always Bob, thanks for the great information!!!!

  • @akbeal
    @akbeal Рік тому +1

    They really need to approve this method. I know many beekeepers who have already been doing it for a few years.

  • @billchriswell2925
    @billchriswell2925 Рік тому +2

    Upstate NYr here and I’ll be adding this to my mite treatment regimen this coming year.

  • @davidlewis4179
    @davidlewis4179 Рік тому +3

    On 28 November 2022 New York State authorized the use of extended release OA. I look forward to trying this next season.

  • @jimjim7708
    @jimjim7708 Рік тому +1

    This should be very helpful. Thank you very much Bob.

  • @carlgirolami8973
    @carlgirolami8973 Рік тому +5

    I echo these same results in western PA with my OA Swedish sponge trials. 50g OA/glycern applied in April and replaced in June with removal in August. Now my fall might counts are under 5/300 and the knock down tx of Apiquard or Formic is very effective.

  • @carybruton7284
    @carybruton7284 Рік тому +1

    Great job ! Thanks Bob!!!!

  • @GEEZBEEZ
    @GEEZBEEZ Рік тому +1

    Thanks for the information. Good results. Take care.

  • @gammosiuwong2912
    @gammosiuwong2912 Рік тому +2

    I have followed Randy Olivers formula using Swedish sponges for the last 2/3 years here in northern Scotland. I too have had great results having applied the towels in late April/May. Alcohol tests in September showing 0, 1 or 2 mites per 250 bees. Didn't lose a single hive last year. Other keepers Varroa bombs can probably be an issue but as I'm very remote it's not a big issue for me.

  • @WildwoodsBeekeeping
    @WildwoodsBeekeeping Рік тому

    Great job Bob! Can’t wait to meet you at the hive life conference! God bless!

  • @oscarvilla6841
    @oscarvilla6841 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for sharing

  • @MrCloscutz
    @MrCloscutz Рік тому +1

    Congratulations! Mihai beekeeper from Roumania.

  • @richardkuhn4358
    @richardkuhn4358 Рік тому +1

    Very interesting Thank you

  • @joestocker660
    @joestocker660 Рік тому +3

    Really respect people who collect and aggregate data. Admittedly, I’m always viewing charts with a vent toward genetics. Which colonies consistently hold down mite growth, and which ones can survive and produce surplus despite reasonably high counts. Mine went broodless in Oct, which is their chief resistance. They are however useless if your major flow is before mid-April. Thanks as always for posting. 👍😃

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Рік тому +1

      Thank you.👍

    • @beebob1279
      @beebob1279 Рік тому +2

      The genetic thing doesn't seem to be working. I'm seeing beekeepers relying on these queens and not treating. Later that year their colonies are crashing and they are back at square one. Hopefully the researchers get it right.
      Do you have any information on the genetics working that I could read?

    • @joestocker660
      @joestocker660 Рік тому

      @@beebob1279 I have several friends that have done treatment-free for many years. Some keep great records, some not so much. I fiddle with some TF stock just for breeding. I personally doubt we have any bee that consistently survives the 3rd winter without intervention. But some breeds are much better than others. Depends on your goals. I never tell anyone not to treat. It’s solid practice, even if I only sporadically comply.

  • @beebob1279
    @beebob1279 Рік тому +1

    Thanks Bob. Hoping we can use this soon if the results are repeated. I'd like to make them myself when it's legal instead of paying manufactures the heavy prices for the same thing

  • @framcesmoore
    @framcesmoore Рік тому +2

    Ha Bob thank you for this video, Funny Kamon said it did not work for him rather he did not like the results, was not impressed with it. and Dick it did and he uses it all the time now, I recieved a email this year from scientific beekeeping stating I could start using the extended release in the email it gave directions on how to make it apply it every thing the email stated that hobbest was allowed to do so now. I think I am going to give it a try I wish Dick would make videos anyway thanks again hope u have a wonderful day.

  • @dcsblessedbees
    @dcsblessedbees Рік тому +3

    Thank you Bob, my limited opinion the over time OA that can be a Summer game changer in fighting mites.
    Used PIG absorbent mats to make mine, worked great. Seemed to keep my mite load in check well enough and was cheap. As a new beekeeper on a budget many of the brand name items can be a bit to costly so I believe it was well worth my money. One recommendation have baking soda water on hand and 🤣use it.
    Ty your friend for this information, Bob I have learnt so much from you this season. Not sure I'd have live bees with out a lot of the stuff I've seen on your videos.👍

  • @michaelposner3994
    @michaelposner3994 Рік тому +1

    I think it is now approved, Better Bee played a part in getting it listed at least in NY

  • @beeawesome7140
    @beeawesome7140 Рік тому +1

    I copied this method from Randy Oliver this year, it works really well.

  • @Richardmaclachlan
    @Richardmaclachlan Рік тому +1

    I'm hoping that our province will also allow to use extended. when i looked at the vermont regulation i did not see were it is noted if it is allowable for use while supers are on. that would be the most critical wording for getting approval.

  • @BlaineNay
    @BlaineNay Рік тому

    I am the county bee inspector for two counties in southern Utah. Some of the beekeepers in my area are using Randy's extended-release oxalic acid shop towels and sponges. All of these beekeepers have had excessive mite counts when I do inspections, although the count is noticeably lower than "treatment-free" apiaries in my counties. My conclusion is that Randy's work has created a very useful tool, but it isn't perfect. I does seem to keep mite counts from getting our of control which makes other treatments more effective. I tell my Randy Oliver disciples that they must continue to do monthly mite counts and to treat with a different product when the mite count exceeds 2-3%. As with the "Flow Hive", oxalic-acid sponges and shop towels are NOT an excuse to be lazy.

  • @michaellavazza960
    @michaellavazza960 Рік тому +5

    I love the fake sham wow from Dollar Tree for my OA! Colonies i used them on had much healthier bee and were way more productive. Imo, once approved will be a game changer. Keeping the mites low through busy season with this imo is a stop gap until bees evolve to deal with the mites.

    • @PutEmInTheBox
      @PutEmInTheBox Рік тому

      What’s the price of. Those?

    • @michaellavazza960
      @michaellavazza960 Рік тому +1

      @@PutEmInTheBox $1.25 and can do 8 hives. You can reuse them as well….a lot of the time

  • @sonofthunder.
    @sonofthunder. Рік тому +1

    used formic pro also in october 1st time,as it was cool enough ,my oxalic vaporizor was stolen,so formuc pro was about to expire,so i used it,

    • @R_Brickner
      @R_Brickner Рік тому +1

      Don't sweat the expiration date on the Formic Pro package. I used some 2019 Mite Away Quick Strips this fall and they did the job. I weighed the strips before application and they had the same weight as new strips. Either of the formic products can be stored in a freezer indefinitely. Both are made by the same company. The MAQS contains 47% formic acid and the Formic Pro is 42%, lower strength but costs more. Go figure. Dick Brickner

  • @plumcreekbees4418
    @plumcreekbees4418 Рік тому +2

    I had good results in Eastern Pa . with shop towels and Swedish sponges using Randy Oliver s formula

    • @beebob1279
      @beebob1279 Рік тому

      And what part of eastern Pa are you from. I'm in lower bucks county.

    • @plumcreekbees4418
      @plumcreekbees4418 Рік тому +1

      @@beebob1279 Berks county

  • @texasfriendlybeekeepers8210

    good stuff bob.....do you know if someone has or might make a short video of step by step how to do this towel technique. Would be really great to have. thanks!!

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Рік тому

      I haven't seen all of Randy Oliver's articles and work but there should be something good there.

    • @Allan79789
      @Allan79789 Рік тому

      I agree, a video would be nice.

  • @mosxosntionias4771
    @mosxosntionias4771 Рік тому

    Hi Bob from Greece. Why don't you sublimate in the summer too? From the analyzes we did here on the honey, the oxalate content in the honey does not increase as much as you sublimate during flowering. As for formic acid, it can also be done at 35°C but with 40% formic acid and 60% water.

  • @MinnesotaBeekeeper
    @MinnesotaBeekeeper Рік тому +1

    Bob I don't know if this will help others dealing with "formic burn" but we just started treating with 3 rounds of single Formic pads 8 days apart. So far the bee drop has been minimum compared to the double pads. Admittedly our temperatures are quite lower. My only complaint is the cost. Thank you sir.

    • @R_Brickner
      @R_Brickner Рік тому

      Mike: A new approach Randy Oliver introduced recently is to leave the mylar plastic wrapping the strips come in on the upper surface of the strip when it is placed on top of the brood frames. This reduces the evaporation rate on those first few days (which is critical if the inside the hive temperature can get into the upper 80's like on a full sun day) and that reduces the potential for bee or brood loss, or queen injury. If outside temps are getting into the low 80's on a sunny day, the temp inside can be quite a bit higher. We suggest our members use the 1 strip approach in weather like that. In cooler temps, the 2 strip application is fine. Dick Brickner

  • @dougstucki8253
    @dougstucki8253 Рік тому +1

    I've been using OAE for a couple of years with good success. I use the Swedish sponges since they tend to hold up longer. I have noticed that the most productive hives (in terms of brood rearing and foraging) also tend to do a better job of chewing up and removing the sponges, so those types of hives need more frequent applications of mediums that are considered for durable. This summer I was very busy with a big family move, so I didn't get into my hives at all for several months. I hoped the sponges would just do their job. They did in the majority of the hives, but in one hive the sponge was almost gone and they had a big mite problem. That is my only hive that may not survive winter due to DWV from the mite load.

    • @R_Brickner
      @R_Brickner Рік тому

      Doug, I have a question for you. I never saw the bees chewing up the Swedish sponges in my applications last year, but we did see some chewing on some sponges in Kamon Reynold's experimental apiary this year. Do you see chewing on all of your sponges or is it random? I used the maximizer pads on all my hives this year and did not have a chewing problem. Because of the thickness of the impregnated pad though, the bees propolised the upper and lower edges where they touch the frames above and below, and when I removed the upper brood box, I had some pads tear apart. This might be avoided by using 1/2" rims between the brood boxes next year. Randy Oliver has done some preliminary reporting on other media he tried this year so I am looking forward to his final results and might be evaluating it on some hive next year also. Dick Brickner

    • @dougstucki8253
      @dougstucki8253 Рік тому

      @@R_Brickner Hi Dick, I noticed chewing of the sponges in nearly all of the hives, but the amount of chewing varied widely. Only the strongest hives (in terms of number of bees and honey production) did significant damage to the sponges. In fact, the damage on those hives rendered the sponges useless as far as I could tell. Most of the sponges were about 90-95% intact and were still effective.

    • @R_Brickner
      @R_Brickner Рік тому

      @@dougstucki8253 Thanks Doug. Not knowing where you live I am glad we can pass this king of information on to other beekeepers. A lot of our beekeeping practices are local and what works here might not work there. Dick Brickner

  • @bamabeesqueens
    @bamabeesqueens Рік тому +1

    Bob thank you for showing other viw points. This gives a beekeeper a chance to make decisions about alternative treatments. Have you looked at genetics? If one line of bee seems to be more naturally mite tolerant?

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Рік тому

      Hi Kevin. I have played around with genetics and have run a couple of no treatment yards. It is our future hope in my opinion.

    • @rrussellco1176
      @rrussellco1176 Рік тому

      There are no honey bee genetics that varroa are not going to feed on. Only genetics that are more prone to manage their brood differently. Brood = Mites. The mechanics of brood breaks via swarm timing and shutdown during dearth periods are the key factors in colonies that "tolerate" or "survive" varroa. To have these mechanics in an operation, means completely changing your own apiary management. There are other ecological issues to keep in mind when allowing varroa to remain. Native bees, wasps, and other insects are being negatively effected by the viruses created by Varroosis in honey bee colonies. As beekeepers maintaining an imported livestock for our needs, it is our responsibility to also protect the native ecosystems which can be harmed by our methods of animal husbandry, as well as the lack there of.

    • @bamabeesqueens
      @bamabeesqueens Рік тому

      @@rrussellco1176 Thanks. Good luck this coming season.

  • @dan-andreicostea419
    @dan-andreicostea419 Рік тому +1

    Hi Bob, I think the long term release oxalic acid is the tratament of 2022 year, due to it's efficiency. By this way, I want to thank Mr. Randy Oliver for detailed reshearching of this Argentina's method. Considering that the treatment might be used in nectar flow, I think that îs a revolutionary tratament agsinst varroa. I want to say also that I replicated Randy result with 0 varroa after application of extended release - acid in the fall after 300 bees varroa wash.
    Greetings from Romania!!!!

    • @MrCloscutz
      @MrCloscutz Рік тому

      You have used oxi-strip or home made oxi-strip? How many applications of the treatment have you used? In autumn have you used other treatments?

  • @JeromeBeeFarm
    @JeromeBeeFarm Рік тому

    Thanks for the info Bob. Very interesting. I'm looking for ways to treat faster and easier in the summer after my July honey harvest. It's terrible hot doing the OA vapor treatment in the bee jacket and wearing a respirator. I was almost overcome by the heat last year and luckily recognized the symptoms before I got in real trouble and bailed out. I'm curious why this is "illegal". I'm assuming if it's done with honey supers on. So is it legal with supers off? (The slow release OA part). Thanks again.

    • @R_Brickner
      @R_Brickner Рік тому +2

      One aspect not covered in discussing vaporization is that the approved label limits you to a 1 gram dose and most beekeepers have found that they need to use 3 and 4 gram doses to have any success. Dick Brickner

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Рік тому +1

      It's not legal with supers off either but it's being looked at. Hopefully soon.

  • @toprakanaciftligi8037
    @toprakanaciftligi8037 Рік тому +1

    👏👏👏👏👏

  • @KaosABC123
    @KaosABC123 Рік тому +1

    I used the extended release on half my hives this year and used Apivar on the other half. I was curious about what kind of impact it would have on population. I used unscented Swiffer pads instead of shop towels because I had them hanging around when I was experimenting with them as a beetle trap. I was also hoping the girls would tear them apart and carry the pads out of the hive and spreading the material as they did. The first few days I saw bits outside the hive and thought cool they're spreading the stuff. At the end of the time period I opened the hive to check population and to see what was left. Things looked great inside but what surprised me is that they turned the strips into propolis bridges. I'm not sure how this impacts efficacy so can't comment on that but more propolis in the hive is always a good thing. It did make removing them easy though. Peeled right off since all the strands were glued together.

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Рік тому +1

      Thanks for this comment.

    • @R_Brickner
      @R_Brickner Рік тому +3

      I see the propolis bridging on the shop towels and maximizer pads also Yric. This coming season, I am going to experiment with 3/8" or 1/2" shims placed on top of the brood box when I put the pads or towels in. A previous experience with a shim showed the bees do not put propolis on the top side of the towel so that leaves the entire surface exposed for the bees to pick up the OA traveling across it. When the bottom of the frames above the towel are so close to the towel (without using a shim), that bee space is violated and then they will propolise both surfaces to the frames. Dick Brickner

    • @KaosABC123
      @KaosABC123 Рік тому

      @@R_Brickner Thanks, I'll give that a spin on a few of my hives this coming season to see what the girls think.

  • @FantaLaStrada
    @FantaLaStrada Рік тому +2

    So many beekeepers are trying this nowadays that I'm tempted to try it myself, but I have a feeling I would get mixed results. From hearing about results from other club members and beekeeper friends, it doesn't seem like the towels can handle the mite load in areas with high concentrations of beehives like in towns due to drift and robbing events etc. Most hobbyist beekeepers don't bother to treat for mites or even monitor them. I've noticed that hives located around a high concentration of hobbyist beekeepers tend to get higher mite loads/mite vectored diseases despite receiving the same mite management as hives in areas without other beekeepers. In my opinion, this difference is due to bees going around and robbing out weakened hives. In my personal experience, the beehives I have in or near town always suffer more from mites than the ones I have in rural areas where my bees are the only ones there other than the few feral colonies scattered throughout the area. I think the towels might work in my more isolated rural locations, but not the yards in town.

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Рік тому

      Well said. Of coarse the OA might keep things from being worse.

    • @RyanMcDonnough
      @RyanMcDonnough Рік тому

      There are many reasons to believe that shop towels will yield inferior results compared to sponges (Randy Oliver’s current preferred method of application).
      So use sponges. They work.

  • @dianetaylor6751
    @dianetaylor6751 Рік тому

    Just curious if those that use frequent or extended OA treatments ever find psuedo scorpions in the hives? They are ever present in my hives....on occasion I even have seen a varroa that has fallen prey to them. After I complete my 2 late fall OA treatments they are gone.

  • @glennsnaturalhoney4571
    @glennsnaturalhoney4571 Рік тому +1

    My concern is leaving OA in the hive for long periods will eventually select for OA tolerance by the mites...."nature will find a way". I'm sure the hope is that the formic treatment will eliminate those but.....? Glenn

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Рік тому

      Good points. It seems to me like mixing up treatments will help fight resistance but I could be wrong.

  • @aidanquick3151
    @aidanquick3151 Рік тому

    Hi Bob, a random question here. A buddy of mine uses wood vinegar in his market garden set up. I see it's effective against red chicken mites as well. Any chance this could be effective against Varroa? Thanks mate.

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Рік тому

      Good question but I honestly don't know.

    • @aidanquick3151
      @aidanquick3151 Рік тому

      @@bobbinnie9872 Thanks Bob, I'll keep asking around. Have a Merry Christmas.

  • @ishaksoukkou4195
    @ishaksoukkou4195 10 місяців тому

    What is the dose you use in the treatment of bees with formic acid

  • @tristonosborne5537
    @tristonosborne5537 Рік тому

    Did the university of Georgia test this method recently? I thought they had poor results. Maybe they had a different treatment schedule? Thanks for sharing Bob

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Рік тому +1

      They haven't tested it recently and yes they did have poor results. Their study was done in August.

    • @rrussellco1176
      @rrussellco1176 Рік тому +2

      That is very important to note. Beekeeping is extremely location oriented. When mite populations are at their highest in Georgia, they tested. There have to be other factors at play if people are having good results. Or, the method of evaluating the results may be less accurate than the university of Georgia's were.

    • @ziedbsili6368
      @ziedbsili6368 Рік тому

      I have been working in beekeeping for 25 years
      I would like to work with you. Will you help me?

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Рік тому +1

      @@ziedbsili6368 Hello Zied. Thank you for the inquiry but we have all the employees we need at this time.

    • @ziedbsili6368
      @ziedbsili6368 Рік тому

      @@bobbinnie9872 thank you sir

  • @bernardardis8796
    @bernardardis8796 Рік тому

    what about the florida beekeeper interviews with the WI beekeeper using essential oils? to me this seemed more appropiate and less harmful and safer. Could you tell us more on that in another video?

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Рік тому

      I'm interested in that myself and do hope to learn more about it. I'll share what I learn at some point.

    • @bernardardis8796
      @bernardardis8796 Рік тому

      @@bobbinnie9872 I bought the oils but have reserved using them thus far going treatment free with 10 colonies starting winter.

    • @theflowerlady3040
      @theflowerlady3040 Рік тому

      Wisconsin caught my eye. Is there any trusted UA-cam channels for Wisconsin or cold climate beekeepers?
      I do watch The Canadian Beekeepers Blog (Kamon Reynolds and your channel have a ton of info that with some modifications we can apply to our seasons) but would be interested in more channels for cold weather beekeeping but don’t know which ones are trusted sources. Third year in with 15 hives and it’s good to have a variety of opinions and ways to do things so I’d be interested if you have any recommendations.

    • @bernardardis8796
      @bernardardis8796 Рік тому

      @@theflowerlady3040 i find along with Bob and the people you mentioned that i find Mike Palmers work relevant to our climates and am trying some things he mentions along with mostly what i learn from Bob honestly

  • @rrussellco1176
    @rrussellco1176 Рік тому +2

    Not a fan of extended release with the one tool that we currently have to mop them up with. Put pressure back on the manufacturers to produce more treatment options. Extended release is where resistances come from. Studying is one thing, mass use is completely different.

    • @R_Brickner
      @R_Brickner Рік тому +1

      A good point Russell, but there is not any evidence yet of resistance to oxalic acid which has been in use for 30+ years in the beekeeping community. Neither Randy Oliver or myself have seen detrimental effects from using the extended release methods (whereas trickling and vaporization do have some). What other option do we have throughout the summer season when it is too hot for formic acid or Apivar or Apiguard which cannot be used with honey supers on the hive that will be extracted later. Dick Brickner

    • @rrussellco1176
      @rrussellco1176 Рік тому +1

      @@R_Brickner as many many things in life, there are things that we can not change, so we focus on the things that we Can change. With varroa, shb, and other disease concerns, our management strategies are what we have the ability to change and they have the greatest effect on the health of our colonies. Adjusting our schedules to be able to pull supers and get treatments in while they are the most effective is key to controlling varroa not only within our colonies but also effecting their transmittable populations within our areas as a whole. I agree that operations such as yours need to be able to test things like that, so that we have real data to use to get government to allow the use of effective methods of treatment options. However, there will be hundreds or even thousands of people that do not fully understand the biology and or the chemistry but will be making weakened versions of extended release oa and will not test for effectiveness. Within those colonies varroa that are able to survive the oa will be breeding resistance traits and spreading.

  • @collegeguy14
    @collegeguy14 Рік тому

    Didn’t UGA test the same system and found the results were only able to hold mite populations steady but not achieve any reductions?

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Рік тому

      UGA actually used my bees in that study and yes the results were less than satisfactory.

  • @cluelessbeekeeping1322
    @cluelessbeekeeping1322 Рік тому +1

    I tried that shop towel method and didn't get noticeable results.

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Рік тому

      You are not alone, many don't.

    • @cluelessbeekeeping1322
      @cluelessbeekeeping1322 Рік тому

      @@bobbinnie9872 The thing which bummed me most is that I got a BUNCH of supplies for it...Meh, I'll live. It was a small sample (15 hives), but ... no workey.

  • @fliongata8887
    @fliongata8887 Рік тому +1

    I have a question, what if we treat 5 times on every 72 hours with oxalic acid or amitraz, isn't it going to kill let's say 95+% of the mites and then to finish them with treatment when there is no brood (for example november/december)
    Thank you in advance!

    • @R_Brickner
      @R_Brickner Рік тому

      I assume you are talking about vaporizing the OA. Randy Oliver published the results of Ed Luttman's OA summer of 2020 trial in the February issue of the American Bee Journal. Mr. Luttman achieved total mite reduction after seven consecutive vaporizations at 2 day intervals. Some of our beekeepers have done this with good results, but it is very labor intensive. Dick Brickner

    • @fliongata8887
      @fliongata8887 Рік тому

      @@R_Brickner and what about the amitraz, isn't it even more effective? In Europe we use something called "bipin t" It is a combination of Amitraz and Timol...

    • @anatoliym
      @anatoliym Рік тому

      Amitraz is not legal in US

    • @fliongata8887
      @fliongata8887 Рік тому

      @@anatoliym so Apivar is banned in USA?

    • @anatoliym
      @anatoliym Рік тому

      Apivar is available. More and more people are reporting reduced efficacy. Canadian beekeeper has recent videos on it.

  • @RyanMcDonnough
    @RyanMcDonnough Рік тому +1

    It’s nice that Dick shared his results. However, it seems like he was assessing mite loads by using sticky boards and it just isn’t an accurate method, especially since it isn’t adjusted for bee population. I would feel much better about that data if he had performed alcohol washes instead.
    I had very good success with mite control this season: OAV (4g/box) x4 in December 2021, OA/gly 4-strip sponges (100g) in mid-June, ApiGuard 25g x3 August/September. Lots of zero-mite alcohol washes. Didn’t see any crawlers or DWV. No losses. Very high honey yields.
    Next season: 2022 mid-October 4g/box OAV x1, 2022 mid-November OAV x1, 2022 mid-December OAV x3, OA/gly sponges mid-May, OA/gly sponges mid-July, ApiGuard in September.
    I’m sure that sounds like a lot. But I’m convinced that it works well and keeps mite loads very very low year-round. Currently performing the mid-December OAV series and the post-treatment drop counts are extremely low, especially after the first application. 🍻

    • @R_Brickner
      @R_Brickner Рік тому +1

      My hives are 7 and 8 mediums high (as I checkerboard) by the end of May Ryan, so alcohol washes on all of my hives May through August requiring tearing that stack down to access box 2 where the bulk of the brood is and I would need to collect those samples are a back breaking chore. The sticky boards are not perfect, but I was also surprised at the anomalies we saw in the alcohol washes we did at Kamon Reynold's this summer. That's why I adjust the mite counts with the hive population each month so I am getting good data.

    • @RyanMcDonnough
      @RyanMcDonnough Рік тому

      @@R_Brickner
      That’s a very good point and exactly why I don’t generally perform alcohol washes while supers are on.
      How do you adjust the drop counts for hive population?
      Also, I think it would be prudent to perform alcohol washes after supers are removed and no longer prohibitive. The quality and reliability of your data would be improved.

    • @R_Brickner
      @R_Brickner Рік тому

      @@RyanMcDonnough I took the estimated hive population that Randy uses in his varroa model and adjusted them chronologically since his California bee season is offset several months from our middle Tennessee season. I also reduced the estimated populations for my hives from his values which introduced a safety factor in my actual measurements and results in higher mite counts rather than lower counts. The populations I use starting with February are: 8k in Feb, 15k, 25k, 40l, 50k, 50k, 40k, 30k, 20k, 10k, and 8k ending in December. Since February's 8000 bees equals 80 one hundred groups, I divide the February count by 80 and that is the estimated mites per 100 bees. Dick Brickner

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Рік тому +2

      Many beekeepers like you are having superior results by treating to keep the mite count from getting high rather than treating to bring them down.

    • @RyanMcDonnough
      @RyanMcDonnough Рік тому +2

      @@bobbinnie9872
      Exactly. And I think that should be the goal: maintaining a year-round ultra-low mite load

  • @maragrace820
    @maragrace820 Рік тому

    Never treated and never had issues. Had issues with hive beetles but fixed that now

  • @yasminnilima2366
    @yasminnilima2366 Рік тому

    Have you heared of neonikotinoids? Jonathan Lundgren, etymologist? What can this do to bees? Do you know?

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Рік тому +1

      Neonicotinoid pesticides are widely used in this country and in some cases can definitely have a bad affect on bees.

    • @yasminnilima2366
      @yasminnilima2366 Рік тому

      @@bobbinnie9872 thank you for the answere! I know to little about it, but Did see a video about it can both effect bees(all insects) and be part of why disorders like ADHD, Autism and such is increacing. I've seen neonikotinoids are used in Europe too.

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Рік тому

      @@yasminnilima2366 It is a big problem.

    • @yasminnilima2366
      @yasminnilima2366 Рік тому

      @@bobbinnie9872 you seam to know a lot more then me. If you have some good Linus to share about it, I would be glad. I just know to little about this. Know more about my students problem in school, when living with ADHD and Autism and such. I just feel it would be better to stop everythingon forehand. Sorry my english might mess with the words.🙃 Swedish is spoken in Sweden, even If we do have many other languages in school. 😇

  • @andrewk1191
    @andrewk1191 7 місяців тому

    I understand what everyone is saying here. However, question for Bob or Ian, or anyone else here- how accurate are these alcohol washes since the science shows that 80-90% of mites are present in the brood. Personally I don’t think it’s an accurate way to measure the mite count.

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  7 місяців тому

      You're right. It just gives you a general idea.

  • @zahrahoneypakistan9798
    @zahrahoneypakistan9798 Рік тому

    Respected sir،I am Muhammad sultan Baloch from karachi، pakistan sir I have 2 questions، kindly answer my questions
    Q#1
    what if، diffrent breeds e۔g Apis florea، Apis dorsata or Apis mellifera collect nectar from same source ،is there any difference in there Honey??
    Q#2 Does the over feeding of sugar effects the Quality/Quantity of honey?

    • @bobbinnie9872
      @bobbinnie9872  Рік тому +1

      I'm not familiar with the enzymes that these very different races of bees add to their ripening nectar. I'm tempted to think that they would be the same but I don't know for sure. If sugar is fed properly, and at the right time, it won't change the quality of the honey. If fed before the nectar flow begins it may increase the quantity of honey collected because the colony may store more in the surplus supers and less in the brood nest.

    • @zahrahoneypakistan9798
      @zahrahoneypakistan9798 Рік тому +1

      @@bobbinnie9872 thank you soo much sir 😘🥰
      you are a great man۔

  • @cliveharrison733
    @cliveharrison733 Рік тому +1

    Thanks Bob, a bit more ammunition.

  • @michaelposner3994
    @michaelposner3994 Рік тому +1

    Here is link Recommendations for the use of for Api-Bioxal (EPA Reg. No.91266-1-73291)-Oxalic Acid chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/agriculture.vermont.gov/sites/agriculture/files/Oxalic%202ee%20-2nd%20Draft.pdf

    • @R_Brickner
      @R_Brickner Рік тому +3

      Please note, this refers to Api-Bioxal which is mainly sold by Mann-Lake at something like $42 for a 12 oz portion. It is also legal to use because the product has a label with the Federal approval. When I started using OA years ago, the first time we bought it as wood bleach in small cans at a hardware store for about $10. Brushy Mountain became the first label approved source and it was priced in the mid $20's. After they went out of business, M-L obtained the permit and the price soared immediately. As I said in the video document, you can buy 10 pound bags on Amazon shipped free for about $40. It has the same purity rating as the OA from M-L and I suspect they are buying their OA from Florida Labs as well. Dick Brickner

  • @alexayounginsong2641
    @alexayounginsong2641 Рік тому

    It is very strange whenever I tried to insert the link, the reply disappear.
    Again,
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    Bob, there is a predator insect of varroa. If DoA farms this insect and distributes to the beekeepers, then beekeeper will have one less work and consumers will have honey, treatment-free. Bees won't die due to the mistake during the treatment. It is the natural God-made predator against mites. About 3-5 insect in a hive will do. It works with honey bees under symbiosis. Bees don't mind.
    I heard you have worked with University of Georgia. If you know any authority, then it is worth while to work with department of agriculture.
    ua-cam.com/video/y1zdancXRDg/v-deo.html microscopic observation of "book scorpion"
    ua-cam.com/video/jB3Ipxesfi0/v-deo.html in the hive
    More information : search on "book scorpion and bees"