They hint at James Frazer being a Freemason more than once in this show. I have not gotten to season 6 yet, but the sign for his print shop had the Square and Compass, and during a party in one of the episodes the term Freemason is used to describe a party goer
I've seen all the episodes, my wife has read all of the books. This is the first mention (aside from the print shop sign mentioned above) of anything regarding Freemasonry. My wife tells me there are quite a few references to it in the books, but she tells me there isn't any specific mention of going through the degrees, etc. I took the "make me a Freemason" line in the episode as the "ask one to be one" that we all know and love. While I can't deny it could have been a request to be made a Mason on sight, from what my wife again educated me that the lodge was at the prison and I could make the leap that the degrees were properly held. Just one Mason's opinion!
Jamie was made a mason at Ardsmuir Prison. He was the ranking Scottish prisoner and also well educated and a Laird. There were not enough officers among the British, so they initiated Jamie into the military lodge. He went back and initiated several of his key men to create his own lodge among the prisoners. In Voyager, when they are looking for his nephew, he goes to the lodge as soon as they get to Jamaica to try and get info on his nephew. Several of the other books also refer to him going to lodge. The most recent book, Go Tell the Bees that I am Gone, has quite a bit about building the lodge at Fraser’s Ridge. It also contains an interesting account of a Tory faction attacking Jamie during the lodge meeting because they know he will be unarmed.
@@ScottishRiteMasons yes, and much more. As you so astutely pointed out below, books do not have the same constraints as TV/movie in developing a story line. I started reading the books in about 1995 and following Diana Gabaldon when she was on a list-serve. I remember visiting with Wallace McCloud once about the books in the mid 90’s.
I’m not a Free Mason, but I am an Eagle Scout. The Boy Scouts also have a special, not secret, but special handshake. Nothing nasty about it. The handshake has long been a symbol of fidelity and safety for both parties. Wouldn’t judge a world wide organization, that builds unity and encourages human development, based on a salacious TV show. And I have Scottish parents, that show is salacious, even for us.
Hello MM From ID. I have read elsewhere that the S/C on the sign of his print shop was not only a nod, but is meant to represent he was a Mason and local Masons could trust him with their printing needs and Secrets. Later in the series Jamie is aided by his meeting George Washington, I had hoped that would be where the FM connection would be. Im still in Season 5 but hear that Jamie's relationships with High Ranking People aid him in the future. Thanks for the analysis.
You will see nods and winks throughout the series with Masonic symbols, mostly from alchemical elements and others you already know and will notice. TFH DB
Hi from Australia, l have just told a good family mate whom lm their daughters Godfather that lm about to join Freemasons and he was , like cult and so on his big thing was about Jesus's was his saviour ? Can you explain to me your thoughts please.
MM here, and I've asked the Brothers at my Lodge this, but I'd like to get your perspective as well, being from a different part of the country - my wife's family was raised Norse Pagan, and they were brought up believing in Odin, or the All Father. As strange as it is to most of us, does this fit the requirements for Masonry, or does the belief in a Supreme Being need to be a monotheistic supreme being? Because although Odin would be considered the All Father, Norse Paganism also has additional lesser gods.
Well each lodge may look at that differently but I have a Brother in my mother lodge who subscribed to those same beliefs. One of the things about Scottish Rite Masonry is that it looks at various faiths and sees that there are more similarities that we might realize at first. So to discriminate against someone who calls God by a different name is a bit shirt sighted. Again, each lodge may have a different read on this.
@@ScottishRiteMasons I am pleased to hear this. I have just petitioned to join a lodge (Grand Lodge of New Zealand). And I belong to a Vedic religion. The nature of God was not discussed in my meeting with the brothers, only whether I believed in the supreme being (if asked, I'd say one deity was placed above others, which is true - and this makes that being supreme).
You need to watch the show… thanks for your input it’s kind of like a Forrest Gump thing they take bits and pieces of actual history and they make that character kind of plug into what was going on like he may have not or they may have not been in the thick of it but they were on the sidelines watching and thanks for sharing your views, have a nice day
My wife watches the show big time. She called me in once during a scene where Jamey was shaking the hand of some important guy and it was supposed to be a Masonic Grip. She said "look he just gave him a Masonic handshake" . It was some silly thumb tapping handshake such as shown. I just laughed and went back to my computer. It was nothing even close. Good TV goobley goop I told her lol.
Hello brother. It appears to be a similar touch to one used here in Central America. Here in Guatemala our blue lodges are Scottish Rite so our touches are a little different than ones used in the states which are mostly York. Just thinking out loud.
Freemasonry has been around much much longer under different names. Particularly the Scottish Rite began as the Order of Herodom under the Bruce hundreds of years before hand.
No. Not true in the slightest. The Scottish Rite was born of the Order or the Royal secret which dates to the latter half of the 18th century. The Scots masters degree dates to 1733. Perhaps the lessons and the allegories found in those degrees are found in earlier rite and orders by the Scottish Rite itself was founded specifically in 1801
Have you personally read it, or are you repeating what you’ve heard on the internet? Likely you’re repeating what you’ve heard on the internet and you’ve never read a single page of morals and dogma. Do yourself a favor- Google “the Taxil hoax”. It was an admitted hoax in the late 1800s to try to link masonry to nefarious things. Why? Do the author could sell pulp fiction books. Rather than furthering your ignorance and the supply of misinformation, look it up.
They hint at James Frazer being a Freemason more than once in this show. I have not gotten to season 6 yet, but the sign for his print shop had the Square and Compass, and during a party in one of the episodes the term Freemason is used to describe a party goer
I've seen all the episodes, my wife has read all of the books. This is the first mention (aside from the print shop sign mentioned above) of anything regarding Freemasonry. My wife tells me there are quite a few references to it in the books, but she tells me there isn't any specific mention of going through the degrees, etc. I took the "make me a Freemason" line in the episode as the "ask one to be one" that we all know and love. While I can't deny it could have been a request to be made a Mason on sight, from what my wife again educated me that the lodge was at the prison and I could make the leap that the degrees were properly held. Just one Mason's opinion!
Thank you bro for shedding a little light on it! I am hoping to get caught up and see if more Masonic references come about.
Jamie was made a mason at Ardsmuir Prison. He was the ranking Scottish prisoner and also well educated and a Laird. There were not enough officers among the British, so they initiated Jamie into the military lodge. He went back and initiated several of his key men to create his own lodge among the prisoners. In Voyager, when they are looking for his nephew, he goes to the lodge as soon as they get to Jamaica to try and get info on his nephew. Several of the other books also refer to him going to lodge. The most recent book, Go Tell the Bees that I am Gone, has quite a bit about building the lodge at Fraser’s Ridge. It also contains an interesting account of a Tory faction attacking Jamie during the lodge meeting because they know he will be unarmed.
@@twiggi80 this is all in the books?
@@ScottishRiteMasons yes, and much more. As you so astutely pointed out below, books do not have the same constraints as TV/movie in developing a story line. I started reading the books in about 1995 and following Diana Gabaldon when she was on a list-serve. I remember visiting with Wallace McCloud once about the books in the mid 90’s.
Thanks!
Yes, check out his sign over his print shop very close. Very cool!
Check out HBO “raised by wolves” there are Square & compasses on the religious SOL cult members hands. This is coming from Arizona Lodge 43.
Wish they didn't cancel it. We found it interesting
That is a Masonic grip, used by other regular constitutions / Grand Lodges.
Excellent video... dang it, now I want to watch Outlander :)
I’m not a Free Mason, but I am an Eagle Scout. The Boy Scouts also have a special, not secret, but special handshake. Nothing nasty about it. The handshake has long been a symbol of fidelity and safety for both parties. Wouldn’t judge a world wide organization, that builds unity and encourages human development, based on a salacious TV show. And I have Scottish parents, that show is salacious, even for us.
boy scouts founded by a Mason
The Boy Scouts actually came out of Freemasonry. The founder was a Mason! 👍
Hello MM From ID. I have read elsewhere that the S/C on the sign of his print shop was not only a nod, but is meant to represent he was a Mason and local Masons could trust him with their printing needs and Secrets. Later in the series Jamie is aided by his meeting George Washington, I had hoped that would be where the FM connection would be. Im still in Season 5 but hear that Jamie's relationships with High Ranking People aid him in the future. Thanks for the analysis.
FYI, the books upon which the show is adapted goes into further detail about Masonry. This is particularly true during the revolutionary war years.
You will see nods and winks throughout the series with Masonic symbols, mostly from alchemical elements and others you already know and will notice. TFH DB
I'm very happy that I'm both a Freemason and a Roman Catholic.
Hi from Australia, l have just told a good family mate whom lm their daughters Godfather that lm about to join Freemasons and he was , like cult and so on his big thing was about Jesus's was his saviour ? Can you explain to me your thoughts please.
Fraternal greeting form the Rizal Bodies, A & A S R.
MM here, and I've asked the Brothers at my Lodge this, but I'd like to get your perspective as well, being from a different part of the country - my wife's family was raised Norse Pagan, and they were brought up believing in Odin, or the All Father. As strange as it is to most of us, does this fit the requirements for Masonry, or does the belief in a Supreme Being need to be a monotheistic supreme being? Because although Odin would be considered the All Father, Norse Paganism also has additional lesser gods.
Well each lodge may look at that differently but I have a Brother in my mother lodge who subscribed to those same beliefs.
One of the things about Scottish Rite Masonry is that it looks at various faiths and sees that there are more similarities that we might realize at first. So to discriminate against someone who calls God by a different name is a bit shirt sighted.
Again, each lodge may have a different read on this.
@@ScottishRiteMasons I am pleased to hear this. I have just petitioned to join a lodge (Grand Lodge of New Zealand). And I belong to a Vedic religion. The nature of God was not discussed in my meeting with the brothers, only whether I believed in the supreme being (if asked, I'd say one deity was placed above others, which is true - and this makes that being supreme).
I'd say monolithic indeed although he has many names there's only one God!
That was not a freemasons handshake.
No, it wasn't. But they were trying to make out like it was. Also, the grips have not always been the same through history.
You need to watch the show… thanks for your input it’s kind of like a Forrest Gump thing they take bits and pieces of actual history and they make that character kind of plug into what was going on like he may have not or they may have not been in the thick of it but they were on the sidelines watching and thanks for sharing your views, have a nice day
My wife watches the show big time. She called me in once during a scene where Jamey was shaking the hand of some important guy and it was supposed to be a Masonic Grip. She said "look he just gave him a Masonic handshake" . It was some silly thumb tapping handshake such as shown. I just laughed and went back to my computer. It was nothing even close. Good TV goobley goop I told her lol.
I think you will enjoy the show, there are parts that I like, and others that I don't. It gets pretty graphic at times.
Books are better.
usually the case. TV/ Film is limited by budget and time. Books have no such worry.
the prison scene unlocked repressed memories in me i appreciate this but it was a tough watch.
Please do a video on masonry and baseball. What the ritual of baseball actually represents.
Hello 👋🤗
My understanding is you have to be a "free" and upright man to become a mason. If they are jailed, they are not free. Unless I missed something.
That handshake was originally seen in a French Anti Masonic movie occult forces
I will have to check that out.
As you say in America, “it’s jurisdictional”. Talk to someone who knows French masonic ritual.
Hello brother. It appears to be a similar touch to one used here in Central America. Here in Guatemala our blue lodges are Scottish Rite so our touches are a little different than ones used in the states which are mostly York. Just thinking out loud.
All those 🤝
Freemasonry has been around much much longer under different names. Particularly the Scottish Rite began as the Order of Herodom under the Bruce hundreds of years before hand.
No. Not true in the slightest.
The Scottish Rite was born of the Order or the Royal secret which dates to the latter half of the 18th century.
The Scots masters degree dates to 1733.
Perhaps the lessons and the allegories found in those degrees are found in earlier rite and orders by the Scottish Rite itself was founded specifically in 1801
Could be as far back as ancient Egypt
Tell me about the allegiance to Jabulon.
No such allegiance in Masonry.
@@ScottishRiteMasons 33rd?
@@bradbrown2168there’s no such allegiance to anyone at any of the degrees. You’re just parroting internet nonsense.
No such thing. The grand Architect of the Universe; yes.
@@nickking8994 who is?
Bout To See What This Show Is About0🤔😂... I'm From Detroit Doric Lodge #22 Prince Hall. Have You Ever Seen The Movie "From Hell" ??
Fake Handshake or not - a Handshake shouldn't open the doors to a freemasons heart. Greetings from Leipzig, Germany. S&F
Brother Mason From Oxnard Lodge 341
Good info brother
I asked to join but they asked money from me. Is it right?!
Yes.
In our lodge you have to pay for your background check up front.
No. You only pay once you have been voted on and the vote is positive for you joining Freemasonry..
@@smythe2310 "Yes."
No.
@@nickking8994 "In our lodge you have to pay for your background check up front."
What costs are involved?
I started laughing as soon as I saw it😂😂😂
Greetings thank you for the information good subject
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If one reads a book written by Albert Pike, you find all you need to know about freemasonry.
Have you personally read it, or are you repeating what you’ve heard on the internet?
Likely you’re repeating what you’ve heard on the internet and you’ve never read a single page of morals and dogma.
Do yourself a favor- Google “the Taxil hoax”. It was an admitted hoax in the late 1800s to try to link masonry to nefarious things. Why? Do the author could sell pulp fiction books.
Rather than furthering your ignorance and the supply of misinformation, look it up.
A year later and still no answer.
No, Pike wrote about his personal beliefs, not about Masonry.
Private =Secret
That silly. Do you have an ATM pin? Do you close the bathroom door? Not everything secret is bad. That's just foolish.
Manly P Hall was made 33rd degree on sight. Went throgh blue lodge later
I’m no expert on Hall. But this doesn’t sound right to me.
I just did some reading on this. His Masonic record is confusing to say the least.