Takedowns, and why you should never go to the ground, by Val Riazanov
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2014
- In this clip I will demonstrate certain takedown techniques and also how to resist them.
I cannot stress enough that going to the ground should never be an option in any street fight and this is not because you cannot win a one-on-one confrontation, but the fact that you don’t know who else is there!
I did a seminar a few years ago for a well known SWAT team in the US. The guys were very welcoming to a Russian perspective and most of them had MMA backgrounds and it was not surprising that they were good at takedown techniques. I gave them some tips from my own grappling background and of course striking and then I asked them to give me some scenarios that they had difficulty with.
Now I can’t be specific as to the exact scenario, but let’s just say that it ended up on the ground and two of these guys were woking on one ‘suspect’. When two people are working on one, then it is safe to assume that they will have the advantage, which of course they did.
But what if the guy had two friends?
Not only was the advantage lost, but now they were vulnerable and I see this situation many, many times.
Now think of you as an individual - you have everything to lose going to the ground!
Pay particular attention to the angles of each takedown and also to staying relaxed and loose as it is not easy to move a ‘dead weight’.
There will be times when you absolutely have to take your opponent to the ground and also when you are taken to the ground as combat is unpredictable, but don’t direct the action to the ground! - Спорт
To all the commenters saying you should go to ground and jujitsu on the ground always wins etc. These videos and Val's ideas are NOT for ring fighting. He means that you don't want to go to ground in a REAL LIFE street fight. Because people can jump on you or you are rolling around on concrete. These techniques are for practical, real world self defense, not for ring sports where you roll around in a controlled environment.
Michael Telford you hit the nail right on the head bro! In a real fight you don't want to submit the opponent, you want to inflict as much damage as possible and get out of there asap!
The point is these techs dont work be ausw they aren't tested in combat.val has a judo black belt so has real skills but systems is bullshit
Completely agree. Would love to see a BJJ "expert" deal with stamps to the head by your attackers mate. A lot of attacks are by multiple attackers. Even if your a Gracie BJJ aint helping you. Ground work is good to know, but it should be the last place you want to be in a "real life" situation without a ref and rules.
@@scarred10 I respect Judo but Val is also former Spetsnaz and he does Systema specifically because it was repeatedly tested and successful in the worst types of combat, war.
Val is a bjj blackbelt! And if a bjj blackbelt says don't go to the floor in a real fight. Then DON'T GO TO THE FLOOR IN A REAL FIGHT! not by choice anyway
I have done many years of all kinds of arts including wrestling, Karate, Wing Chun etc. (since the 1960's) , yet I don't know all the great things that Val Riazanov teaches. So I found the explanations on the various videos excellent and worthwhile for anyone to train.
Brilliant stuff guys. Nice to hear input from all parties to the training drills. Well done!
Best advice ' You don't want to be on the floor !!!'
I am so impressed by the techniques and their clever simplicity !!! I never saw something like that.
Mr. Riazanov is former Russian intelligence. He's got combat training from time in the military and his Systema instructors were Spetsnaz officers. Pretty sure he knows what he's talking about.
Certainly not more than the armchair experts on here.
Great argument from authority. Sounded like “bah baaah.”
I wouldnt take advice from someone saying you can tap somebody by squishing your closed guard
I tap toddlers out like that all the time. 2-4 year old "woke" division champion here! Yeah! Because I identify as a child when I compete.
@@francodominguez9139 Normally I'd agree, but he's not just some dude. Val was a combat sambo "master of sport" in Russia which is loosely equivalent to being top 10 in his weight class in that sport(think top 10 ten d1 wrestlers within a weight class in the USA).
Some people just want a few techniques that work against an untrained attacker. I was watching another channel. The coach had a student who was a school teacher with him (she was learning MMA for self defense). He was honest and said that if she meets an attacker who is smart enough to throw face shots to expose her body (or the other way around), she will lose.
The thing I found valuable from his technique was the kazushi. The takedowns and techniques themselves are common, but his technique for breaking the balance of the attacker is really good.
Val Riazanov good teacher bravo te respect invat multe lucruri de la tine bravo Val
A point of view for sure. In a multi opponent situation for sure, not really a great thing, although I 've been on the ground with 5 person fight. I used the guy on ground with me as a shield, worked well. But for sure not the best situation. In fact I was able to get two more down there with me, I was very secured at that point and had one crying from a wrist lock. With a one on one I have no real reason to not go to the ground. I did enjoy your video and found it to be very useful and will, for sure, work on the skills you present on this video.
1:26 That is not how I learned a takedown. He had his knee on the ground before he drove through and did not use his shoulder.
From what dvd this video is taken from?
Nothing wrong with taking your opponent down to neutralize their striking.
Do you have dvd's ?
very good all vedoe Thank you
If you are on the ground. It is smart to know what to do once you’re there.
buen vídeo :D
Good video
@9:15 Val also has a great sense of humor "Is it because I'm foreign?!"
Is this school in dallas texas?
What Jiu Jitsu academy is this?
Which is why anyone who recommends Jiu jitsu for self defense is not very streetwise. In fact, many of the BJJ practitioners I know barely understand any take downs! What good is your fighting style if you can't even take anyone down?!
Can anyone please link to Gracie Breakdown of this instructional video?
The technique can work, it’s just not optimal. If your takedown game is good this is very possible.
Most ground fighters stick to stand up fighting when not in a control or flat surfaced environment with no debris bc of the different dangerous scenarios that could happen.
Ever heard of jiu jitsu?
6:44 gosh thats how xenia killed the man in james bond golden eye
Timing is so important
couple and a half mins in beautiful takedown technique 🙏
Ll
Unless... YOU CAN DO JIU JITSUUUUUUUU
squidninja1716 You can still get head stomped by your opponent's friends. Best to stay standing in a street fight.
squidninja1716 yeah sorry. but jitsu isnt effective against everything.. pfft. fucking dumbass jiu jitsu trend nowadays
squidninja1716 -The only smart comment here...Good man, you just said what everybody else here is trying to say here but with few words in a very smart phrase
I liked the takedown variations, but the ground stuff not so much.
I'm always kind of skeptical about martial arts that tell you to be loose and relaxed. My experience is limited, but I always figured that in a fight situation, you are never going to be loose. Your instinct is to tense up. Perhaps you can work that out of your system with years of training, but wouldn't it make more sense to train in a style that works *with* that tension rather than against it?
I dunno, maybe I'm missing something, could someone provide elucidation on the matter? :P
+HeinrichKonig The goal of martial arts is to train you get familiar with combat situations. With enough training you will eventually naturally learn when and where to be tense and when not to be.
If you're punching on your feet you most definitely don't want to be tense.
Okay, I suppose I'm confusing not being tense with being in a neutral, relaxed state. In a fighting stance, you're prepared to make a move, but you're not frigid.
Alright, I think I get the principle now, thank you :)
The sport is better than the art because in sport you have an actual resisting opponent. Of course you can mix your training with self-defense techniques such as striking to the eyes and groin.
I thought it was game over once Tyler came on
Systema is like a fluid version of Krav Maga
6:56 oh I am in this position so often with my girlfriend thank you for your guidance.
.. "Is that because Imam foreign?" lol!!!!
How can you be relaxed with two people attacking you? I can never understand the idea of being relaxed when you're being attacked. Otherwise, great video and tips.
When I was just starting training in Systema, I was incredulous as well. When I had to use it against a mugger, several years later, the "fight" was over before I had a chance to get frightened - I did that later, it helps with quickly departing LOL. My body just went to work, without thinking or hesitation.
Please pay attention to what Val says in these videos: never allow another stranger's hand into your personal space, because you don't know his intentions, and whether he is armed. Systema drills you on this ad infinitum, and then you just do it when time comes - the speed and strength of your response proportional to the personal space entry attempt speed and force.
at random times you start to say that it's extremely important to stay relaxed, do you ever explain why it is so important?
Marco Focus, if you can't relax you won't be able to focus.
Let me give you an example of something I learned. I was doing Krav Maga back then. One of Krav's warm up routines is "touching the shoulders". A simple game you can play at home with anyone. Your opponent tries to touch your shoulder, you are trying to touch his. You are allowed to move, redirect, parry, and block, but not strike.
While I was doing it Krav way, it would be usually 50/50 against an average guy in the gym. But after I went to a local Vladimir Vasiliev Systema seminar, I started doing it with relaxation. The expression on my partners faces was priceless :) Especially on the faces of those who were like 20 years younger than me, and thus would heretofore usually win easily.
When you are tense, you need to un-tense some of the muscles before your arm, or any other part of your body, can move. This takes a split second, and typically gives out a characteristic "tell", an unlocking jerk of sorts, which your opponent can see, or feel if you are in contact. When you are relaxed, this doesn't happen, and your move tend to breach into his space uncontested.
Boss
For street fighting obviously. I wouldn't think of using any ground techniques on the ground in a street fight or being attacked. If that's the only trick in you bag then you're in trouble
rubish, i hit a double with a rockover step on a guy that attacked me on concreate and it worked beautifully. i scuffed my knee a little bit, your not supose to slam your knee down but rather roll over it.
Can’t Val do all the talking? Other guy clearly never knows what he’s talking about and Val explains well
I know right, Val is a great instructor, no need for the other guy to constantly interrupt! Let Val teach and explain he is instructor with all the experience after all
Guess what, it is easy to oppose Takedown know that he comes
There is a point here somewhere. The lesson is just not put together that well.
They are trying so hard to make his stuff work. I want someone who actually wants to take him down to try
Can't hear you
The Russian man is arching his back when he enters into his shots. I've always been taught you need a straight back when you're in on the hips or you risk being guillotined.
thats cuz he sucks and cant fight. his shit works on drunk dudes only.
There is a move men use on Women to get them to the ground. Get in their face and distract them with trash talking and then before you can get them to back off they pop out the chest and follow the forward momentum and land on top of you on the ground. I know how to get out from under this once on the ground but I would like to know how to deal with the forward chest movement and not go to the ground to begin with.
lightningtreeband you need to keep distance and not allow anyone who is aggressive to get too close. if they come to close you may need to push them away.
He got me on the ground once but this is what I did using palm strikes to the upper torso below the shoulders to get them away. I have had time to think about this and start to kind of heal from it psychologically and I can see where I made mistakes. I was around people who do not respect women and I allowed myself to be in that environment to be friends with women whose men do not treat them well and though there were cool people in that crowd there were also dangerous people in that crowd and I will be so much more careful who I go around and not go around crowds with shady elements or wives who have sexist, prejudice or abusive husbands. I really liked many of the women around there you know? But look what happened so I see I need to be much more careful and self preserving about who I choose to spend time around and in what environment.
All I think about in such situations is how to get away and if I cant how to get them away from me.. If the people I rode with had been there I would have just left but they waited till my daughter went to the store and it all happened in the 5 minutes she was gone. So I definitely agree about getting them away from me. They had me cornered they were between me and the way out of the yard and I had no car to leave in since they waited till I was alone.
lightningtreeband I am sorry you had that experience
Thank you, I am steadily regaining equilibrium and I really appreciate the comments
The other guy should stop interrupting Val so much and let me just demonstrate! Annoying! Val is an amazing martial artist and fighter!
Takedowns. What if the attacker is bigger and stronger? You're a middleweight and h'es 210-250-lbs...
Is it because I’m foreign 😂😂
exactly learn jiu jitsu and youll almost be unstoppable
NativePride4051 > wrong. You just lost 1/3 of your reservation.
OBVIOUSLY we have a grappling hater over here who doesn't know what he's talking about
facts guess he doesnt understand Gracie
So never go to the ground so that would mean don't practice takedowns?? If you practice defending takedowns you have to practice takedowns. If there is a challenge fight on mats you have to know takedowns and ground fighting.
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Submission Grappling, Russian SAMBO and Wrestling are sports that go yo the ground. A grappler almost always beats a striker who doesn't know grappling. A trained grappler who practices not being taken down and ground fighting plus striking has the advantage in a fight.
Systema guys practice takedowns a lot. However, takedowns that are taking both fighters down are strongly discouraged. Your opponent falls, you stand - that's the desired outcome. Both of you going down is not good, especially in situations with multiple attackers. You going to the ground while your opponent keeps standing is much worse.
A simple example: watch the first bout of this: ua-cam.com/video/e8cNbCkB18E/v-deo.html. The rules of practically all sporty martial arts can turn what would be a practical win in a street fight into a formal loss by disqualification. Systema is not concerned with this: only practical wins count.
remove that third wheel media guy he is ruining information given by Val seriously why is he in in at all? you see reason?
"You should never ever go to the ground...now, let me show you how to do a really bad takedown technique."
What did I just watch??? Ugh...Jiu Jitsu 4 Life!!!
But he's right. In a combat, especially in a self defence situation, you really shouldn't go there. In a fight, if he is better than you in striking, it might be okay, to take him down, or in SD if you accidently fell down, you need to know ground fighting. But "OH it's a fight, I am going down!" shouldn't be your priority.
+Shifu Master jiu jitsu...4 life.
+Shifu Master no. jiu jitsu is king. proven long ago. sorry.
dattmixon1 That's why it loses in aproxx. 50% of groundfights?
Rob P Yes, exactly! That's what I have been stating for years!
It is very good to defeat ONE opponent, when the circumstances are clear, and you are in a controlled area. SD has never been about that...
if you try these techniques will you end up getting your a** beat ...especially against anyone who even have the littlest amount of grappling skills
mmm. lol
😂😂😂😂
rofl
This is some Bullshit
+Valkyrie N ok, I apologize for my initial response. I spoke without thinking. But, these ground fighting tactics I am sceptical if they would work against a larger, and, more aggressive opponent. But, I will keep an open mind. Again, I apologize for my disrespect.
Valkyrie N - nice comment man
these takedowns wouldn't work against a good high school wrestler
Can you not make videos about grappling when you know nothing about it
mai visto tante cavolate tutte assieme nello stesso video... gente che cade solo a toccarla.. giuro che in tutta la mia vita non ho mai visto nessuno battere dalla guardia perché l'altro stringe le ginocchia.. io vi consiglio di fare un paio di lezioni con un istruttore di greco e di libera, poi un paio con una cintura nera di bjj e poi rifare il video che fate più bella figura.. smettete di vendere fumo e far perdere tempo alla gente..
To anyone interested in a learning??? These techniques could save your life and that of a loved one!!! seriously,,, to all the arm chair martial arts experts G.O.Y.A try it??? you might learn something🙏
in a real life situation these techniques work…..
This is idiotic. It's like watching a bunch of Jerry's Kids trying to explain grappling.
a boxer will uppercut you if you go and try and do a takedown
+soup 890 What about is i time my takedown just after her throws his punch?
You will not want to be on the floor in a street fight.
+soup 890 What if I take HIM down so I can punch him from a strong standing or ground & pound knee on belly position.
Good luck boxing me from your back.
+leondelafonte mate. I avoid fighting. I'm a trained in kick boxing and boxing. but bloody hell you need to think of a escape plan not rolling on the floor
That's the thing. It's always better to be on the feet, but street fights are stupidly unpredictable.
Most martial artists I know have never & never will go looking for a street fight. They go out if their way to avoid fights.
Lol what rubbish
lots of bullsit there
+Ramunas Venslovas nah head scissor escapes from underneath side control work every time. and so does giving single legs
Bullshit you reckon. Where is your UA-cam channel armchair warrior
You have 17 subscribers. Well done. Really in a position to give an opinion
This channel should be blocked
sorry but i am not so impressed. better go to a wrestling school.
mmm. lol