Katy Perry's 'Dark Horse' ruling is the latest in music copyright infringement wars I Nightline

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  • A jury will decide how much Perry owes Marcus Gray and two co-authors, who first sued Perry five years ago for copyright infringement, claiming she copied from their song, "Joyful Noise."
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  • @JB-mg1ok
    @JB-mg1ok 4 роки тому +2770

    Next copyright suing prediction:
    The Alphabet Song vs. Twinkle Twinkle Little Star

  • @mermaid717
    @mermaid717 4 роки тому +853

    If that's the case then all country artists should be suing each other for using the same guitar rifts 😂😂

  • @Jay__ebk
    @Jay__ebk 4 роки тому +1646

    He’s not making any money so he just decided to sue🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

    • @jaiiii5106
      @jaiiii5106 4 роки тому +14

      jordan reid fr😂😂

    • @MoziburGazi
      @MoziburGazi 4 роки тому +10

      Right 😂😂

    • @eFrog27
      @eFrog27 4 роки тому +32

      Another hack, using Christianity as a selling point for his crappy music. Greedy for money from the more successful

    • @Materialgirl_3
      @Materialgirl_3 4 роки тому +37

      At the end of the day it doesn’t matter rather we know who he is or rather he’s making money or not . The fact is this is a crime for a reason . This happens to people all the time time .

    • @Kossberg
      @Kossberg 4 роки тому +16

      If you knew who he was you would know its for justice not money.

  • @ray.gene.bowner
    @ray.gene.bowner 4 роки тому +386

    _Presses C note on piano_
    Musician: *_I'll sue you_*

    • @The_Primary_Axiom
      @The_Primary_Axiom 4 роки тому +2

      Thought it was called copyright not similar sounding right.

    • @ronb7062
      @ronb7062 4 роки тому +3

      @@The_Primary_Axiom you missed the joke

    • @emmakelly5703
      @emmakelly5703 4 роки тому +1

      you just lost 2.78 million dollars.

    • @sukibane5549
      @sukibane5549 4 роки тому

      f

    • @notwerkinginthishouse8634
      @notwerkinginthishouse8634 4 роки тому +1

      @@emmakelly5703
      People will do anything to get money, bc it's easier to do that then to go and earn money yourself lol
      When I saw what people do to get money, it grosses me, like they are little kids

  • @miles24yo
    @miles24yo 4 роки тому +2047

    Then you should be sueing all songs. There’s no such thing as original anymore.

    • @gamestart6576
      @gamestart6576 4 роки тому +7

      MJ7615 yeah

    • @bonedyouuu9860
      @bonedyouuu9860 4 роки тому +4

      yeah yeah

    • @Anne_one
      @Anne_one 4 роки тому +16

      After this they will be. There is. O such thing as original, but stealing from lesser known artists is wrong.

    • @letmebehonest3144
      @letmebehonest3144 4 роки тому +4

      With shitty pop music no there isn’t they all sound about the same there is not a band like Queen to pave the way

    • @MaenMarashdeh
      @MaenMarashdeh 4 роки тому +5

      The lawsuit is bullshit they sued based on one note so dumb

  • @kwames.8411
    @kwames.8411 4 роки тому +1065

    6 writers accused of copying literally 3 musical notes?

    • @doocieonu
      @doocieonu 4 роки тому +10

      Katy perry didn't even write her music?!? What a stupid woman with a pretty face

    • @Mhelias30
      @Mhelias30 4 роки тому +9

      Yeah this is some BS

    • @Mhelias30
      @Mhelias30 4 роки тому +19

      This is some BS, it’s not the same, might be similar in a certain element but is not the same.....

    • @aaguilar1962
      @aaguilar1962 4 роки тому +1

      I know right.

    • @davidujja
      @davidujja 4 роки тому +55

      @@doocieonu she writes her own music, with co-writers like all artists. You can check it online before saying anything.

  • @kikikira8416
    @kikikira8416 4 роки тому +1080

    In art it's like claiming that someone used the same colors and you sue them for it

    • @izraelburgess937
      @izraelburgess937 4 роки тому +44

      Kiki Kira it would be more like saying someone painted the same mountain as you and trying to sue

    • @monkeybusiness2493
      @monkeybusiness2493 4 роки тому +9

      I know right, it doesn't make any sense, they just pitied his broke ass. That's not suppose to be a law suit even.

    • @mknight7098
      @mknight7098 4 роки тому +2

      No its not.

    • @ummzaynab7702
      @ummzaynab7702 4 роки тому +13

      It actually isnt. He owns it and she stole it. No matter how much you may want to think that you can own rights to music, you absolutely can.

    • @mknight7098
      @mknight7098 4 роки тому

      Amber Horton ^ yes ty

  • @istandwithtaylor1384
    @istandwithtaylor1384 3 роки тому +52

    Update: after paying almost 2.8 million dollars, Katy Perry appealed the lawsuit and got her money back.

    • @arthurhtml
      @arthurhtml 2 роки тому +2

      Hahahahaha

    • @oswiroa4973
      @oswiroa4973 Рік тому +2

      She didn't pay him the money was freezed during the appeal

    • @reprovedcandy
      @reprovedcandy Рік тому

      I'm so glad to hear this.

  • @arielmichelle1698
    @arielmichelle1698 4 роки тому +585

    Drake should be in a few lawsuits if that’s the case 🤣

    • @stevenlindhorst7579
      @stevenlindhorst7579 4 роки тому +1

      Name one

    • @jaredcook1190
      @jaredcook1190 4 роки тому +22

      Steven Lindhorst Drake Miss Me is Soujia Boy’s kiss me thru the phone

    • @Mario-zi3sy
      @Mario-zi3sy 4 роки тому +15

      @@stevenlindhorst7579 Drake stole the flow for "Can't Take a Joke" from an Albanian rapper named Elinel. You can search it on youtube Drake Vs Elinel

    • @myo148
      @myo148 4 роки тому

      If there was no lawsuit most likely he acts for permission and paid..

    • @mondocjenson-dy8zd
      @mondocjenson-dy8zd 4 роки тому +1

      Sued by Auto Tune...

  • @_jg00
    @_jg00 4 роки тому +705

    Never heard of this guy, Flame. Probably made more off this lawsuit than he did from the actual song. 😂

    • @Kossberg
      @Kossberg 4 роки тому +34

      Thats why he sued. You cant let a big artist take away a smaller artists music.

    • @selormmensah116
      @selormmensah116 4 роки тому +18

      @@Kossberg he is not a small artist.. He's a big artist in the Christian industry

    • @sineamont1442
      @sineamont1442 4 роки тому +5

      i knew fame since 2014. the reason you don't know him is... you are still on the front page of youtube and never explore

    • @rogersmith3295
      @rogersmith3295 4 роки тому +7

      @@Kossberg it's like 3 notes nothing was stolen ...

    • @TheEarthRealm
      @TheEarthRealm 4 роки тому +4

      Well his money, either way.
      And Katy Perry made way more money of his song either way, so fck off.

  • @4thaluvofjess
    @4thaluvofjess 4 роки тому +71

    What rubbish smh
    So if you come up with a tune in your head, you're gonna have to check every single song in history just to make sure no one else has thought of it. Doesn't make sense.

    • @B3ARCAT
      @B3ARCAT 4 роки тому +7

      If you plan on selling that music, absolutely, yes, you have a duty to make sure you aren’t (even unintentionally) copying to a legally sufficient degree, another’s songs melody, rhythm, lyrical content, and production. It is a basic responsibility of all commercial songwriters. The law is more nuanced than it is made out to be (especially going by the apparent perception of commenters here), and winning this type of infringement case isn’t exactly cheap, or easy. I can understand why some might view this story through a rather simplistic lens, but as is true of most US law, criminal or civil, it’s actually not that simple.
      Unintentional or subconscious plagiarism is a common and well known issue, and any songwriter who sells their music will be well aware of the potential for accidentally mimicking an already released piece of music. I have been a professional songwriter and producer for a decade, and this is the worst nightmare of any songwriter. But proving infringement by the legal standard and applying case law is not easy, so there are ample protections. In many of the comments here, you can see a great deal of misunderstanding represented regarding the law, and how it is applied. But regardless, it is absolutely essential that all producers consider any similarities (overt or underlying) in songs under their oversight to former works. Even if two people have the same idea for a melody, nearly simultaneously, the one who publishes it first will own that melody.
      But a case like this one wouldn’t really have legs without some possibility of proving that someone who worked on the song had some exposure to the previous work that they were accused of copying, so clearly there was some legitimacy to the claim if they were allowed to bring it to a jury.
      Finally, the reality is that there are thousands of songs in existence...but not exactly “every single song in history” will have a plaintiff behind it, to sue! So if I write my best pop song ever, and later discover that it is nearly identical to some piano concerto from 1832, with no living owner behind it, there would no longer be anyone to act as a plaintiff (plus copyrights expire after a certain amount of time, usually the author’s lifespan plus 70 years in the USA, if it was copyrighted after 1978 - but that’s a subject for another day).
      Still, having said all of that, there’s a high degree of subjectivity to this kind of claim, and I can understand why someone unfamiliar with the legal standards might see it a draconian overreach with significant consequences, but a massive majority of commercially successful songwriters are never involved in this type of lawsuit...so it’s obviously not too difficult to refrain from plagiarizing another song.
      (Edited typos)

    • @TheWinterShadow
      @TheWinterShadow 4 роки тому +2

      You damn right. You have to make sure that nothing like it exist.

    • @TrueMohax
      @TrueMohax 4 роки тому +3

      This cord has been used for centuries now, just listen to the first 15 seconds of Jolly Old Saint Nicholas from the 1800s.
      That song alone destroys any claim to the beat.

    • @lucijatrdin3793
      @lucijatrdin3793 3 роки тому +1

      @@B3ARCAT well thats tottal bullshit.
      Do you know how many songs have ben prodused.alot.
      And you naw expect to look into evry singel song like only becaus a bit is similar that dosent mean someon copy it im sure that there are on hundred songs with the similar bit.

  • @jasonlee9163
    @jasonlee9163 4 роки тому +431

    The Joke in all this is that these singers don’t make the beats, music or lyrics.

    • @wolfe4683
      @wolfe4683 4 роки тому +18

      Dr. Luke produced the song and he's one of the ppl charged with this accusation so idk why his name isn't in the headlines.
      And yes katy perry and a few others wrote Dark Horse, but it's the beat we're talking about not the lyrics.

    • @heartofjustice6041
      @heartofjustice6041 4 роки тому +3

      @@wolfe4683 exactly and these same producers work for many ppl

    •  4 роки тому +1

      Its because modern pop music and/or rap music is ultimately sucks in nowadays. Who needs to listen those garbage sh*tty songs by these whiney snitch ass so-called singers?!

    • @heartofjustice6041
      @heartofjustice6041 4 роки тому +1

      Only og singers like mj made their lyrics

    • @TheChameleon2008
      @TheChameleon2008 4 роки тому

      word, and i am also hearing that there is this spotify for producers to get their sounds so maybe they both used the same premade loop ;)

  • @intothesurf
    @intothesurf 4 роки тому +201

    It's similar. It's not the same.
    Unlike vanilla ice and freddie. That was a complete rip off.

    • @VitalMusic217
      @VitalMusic217 4 роки тому +8

      Thats a sample

    • @angelmushahf
      @angelmushahf 4 роки тому +2

      I thought he just sampled the song and did it legally.

    • @cool_sword
      @cool_sword 4 роки тому

      It doesn't have to be the same. It only has to be "substantially similar."

    • @TheWinterShadow
      @TheWinterShadow 4 роки тому +1

      The beat was simply slowed down....that's infringement.

    • @TheWinterShadow
      @TheWinterShadow 4 роки тому +1

      @@VitalMusic217 Good point but actually it's entire loop. They stole it.

  • @benniemilligan6533
    @benniemilligan6533 4 роки тому +247

    adam neely: you cant own a minor scale
    flame’s attorneys: alright bet

    • @cool_sword
      @cool_sword 4 роки тому +2

      Adam Neely: I'm a layperson and can't connect the law from a morality that has basically nothing to do with American copyright law
      Flame's attorneys: ahaha rise and grind fam let's get this bread

  • @JudgeBluey
    @JudgeBluey 4 роки тому +55

    Problem with having 'jurors' in such a farcical exercise as this case?
    None of them are authors, singer/songwriters, composers, musicians, producers, engineers, etc, etc, therefore, there's lawyers involved....uh oh, here we go again - money!

    • @perfectfae3534
      @perfectfae3534 4 роки тому

      How do you know? Jurors are selected randomly. They could be anyone.

  • @NezFFA
    @NezFFA 4 роки тому +219

    Is he trying to own a scale tf ?

    • @chanceagray
      @chanceagray 4 роки тому +6

      They're not even in the same key. So no.

    • @NezFFA
      @NezFFA 4 роки тому

      @@chanceagray boohoo rubiks cube

    • @chanceagray
      @chanceagray 4 роки тому +1

      @@NezFFA Judging by your reply and your profile picture, I think it is safe to assume you are 12 years old and know nothing about music.

    • @djreynolds9875
      @djreynolds9875 4 роки тому

      Chance Gray looking at your vids I can tell you where so bored due to having no friends you decided to stick that stick up your ass

    • @chanceagray
      @chanceagray 4 роки тому

      @@djreynolds9875 Yessir 😂

  • @thankyouforincorrectingme
    @thankyouforincorrectingme 4 роки тому +44

    This is insane. I can see if you’re truly sampling a complete rift in a song, but when you’re talking about 2-3 notes that sound similar, and you’re leaving it up to a jury who most likely have no musical knowledge or training, I’m sorry...that’s BS. . Laws need to be re-written.

    • @reprovedcandy
      @reprovedcandy Рік тому +1

      Tort laws in this country are a joke. You can sue anyone for just about anything. You could probably sue me for this comment!

    • @thankyouforincorrectingme
      @thankyouforincorrectingme Рік тому +2

      @@reprovedcandy Ha! Now that you mention it… game on. 😏😂😉

  • @360Cruzerman
    @360Cruzerman 4 роки тому +29

    Mozart, Beethoven and Bach's families are all owned some royalties then.

  • @residentevil54460
    @residentevil54460 4 роки тому +329

    I've never even heard of joyful noise

    • @Anne_one
      @Anne_one 4 роки тому +22

      It doesn’t matter, whether or not you heard of it.

    • @residentevil54460
      @residentevil54460 4 роки тому +19

      @@Anne_one aww you're mad

    • @HHDDXX
      @HHDDXX 4 роки тому +6

      @@Anne_one your right that is what I've been trying to get everyone to comprehend

    • @fredrandomguyccxr9184
      @fredrandomguyccxr9184 4 роки тому +16

      @@residentevil54460 it doesn't matter that you haven't heard it. All that matters is that Katie's the defence can't prove she didn't hear it

    • @residentevil54460
      @residentevil54460 4 роки тому +2

      @@fredrandomguyccxr9184 are you mad as well?

  • @mirawenya
    @mirawenya 4 роки тому +65

    Ugh, stuff like this means we can’t get good music anymore...

    • @sineamont1442
      @sineamont1442 4 роки тому

      lol or we should start finding it from other sources.

    • @mirawenya
      @mirawenya 4 роки тому

      Sineamon T I just mean that if you are allowed to copyright a rhythm, or a few notes, that’s gonna be a horrible precedent to set. It simply should not be allowed. It’s as if we aren’t allowed to write lyrics using the phrase “I love you so much” all of a sudden, cause it was used in another song. Screw that!

    • @mirawenya
      @mirawenya 4 роки тому +1

      entry shouldn’t have to buy rights. The songs are nothing alike.

    • @nachtegaelw5389
      @nachtegaelw5389 4 роки тому

      entry thank you!

    • @mirawenya
      @mirawenya 4 роки тому

      nachtegael W seriously guys... you can’t copyright some tones in a rhythm. What’s next, a drum beat?

  • @HowToSaveMoneyOnCarRepairs
    @HowToSaveMoneyOnCarRepairs 4 роки тому +37

    The ruling of 2.7 Million USD is pocket change to her and the others. They Probably make that Every Week On UA-cam.😐

    • @xaviernewby2846
      @xaviernewby2846 4 роки тому +5

      Pastor Motors yeah but the song is not even close he his just money hungry “memorable” i have never heard his song and if you know not of how music works using 2 notes that are the same is not copying honesty i cant even

    • @drlinglm4133
      @drlinglm4133 4 роки тому +1

      But to the guy that’s suing, that’s big money. He ain’t even made 1/12th of 2 mill selling his wack ass fake shit.

    • @TheWinterShadow
      @TheWinterShadow 4 роки тому

      For that reason that dude should've gotten paid. Good for him.

  • @Rhaphidophile
    @Rhaphidophile 4 роки тому +9

    The sound was literally just used as percussion, someone already said it and I'm gonna say it again, but this is like sueing an artist for using the same colors as you.

  • @aprylspage5852
    @aprylspage5852 4 роки тому +44

    Ed Shereen has been sued twice & had to add Kandy & Tiny as writers for shape of you!!

    • @datasafe00
      @datasafe00 4 роки тому +4

      Apryl’s Page like anyone even cares about these people who sue 😂

    • @dirty06maggot
      @dirty06maggot 4 роки тому

      @@datasafe00 fool

  • @ericbruellman1966
    @ericbruellman1966 4 роки тому +68

    Who gives a damn if the beat is similar? The songs sound different...

    • @Un1234l
      @Un1234l 4 роки тому

      Because it's used to sell the songs well.

    • @TheWinterShadow
      @TheWinterShadow 4 роки тому +1

      You are ignorant man....the music was stolen and then slowed down to hide it.

    • @TrueMohax
      @TrueMohax 4 роки тому

      TheWinterShadow
      Can you prove that? The cord has been around for a very long time.

    • @TrueMohax
      @TrueMohax 4 роки тому +1

      karma tam
      What’s your opinion of the Elvis Presley song “Can’t Help Falling in Love”?

  • @Chewi_Kitten
    @Chewi_Kitten 4 роки тому +40

    Katy's team: This could hurt the entire music industry
    Rapper's team: my client feels...

  • @DaquanMusic
    @DaquanMusic 4 роки тому +106

    They’re making such a big deal out of this story... You guys do know how many songs sound similar like these 2 right? This will do nothing to her career, she makes so much money and is a POP icon. All I see is how music and energy inspires and transfers from artist to artist. But it’s all about $$$ these days.

    • @johnbitoy1938
      @johnbitoy1938 4 роки тому +12

      We’re upset not because Katy Perry lost a couple mil were upset because this ruins the music industry

    • @scarlettjohanssonsalterego2258
      @scarlettjohanssonsalterego2258 4 роки тому

      lol this is not a hit against katy, relax sis

    • @knowyourroleboulevard7119
      @knowyourroleboulevard7119 4 роки тому +1

      Holy fudge shes an icon? Guess Ava Max needs some stripper outfits. And Hailey Stienfield needs more sex jokes.

    • @JTScott1988
      @JTScott1988 4 роки тому

      So ur good with someone hearing ur shit and recreating it then lying and saying they didn't???

  • @JoshuaSteadman
    @JoshuaSteadman 4 роки тому +11

    The amount of music that comes out its not impossible for songs to sound the same

  • @moniqueperreault2720
    @moniqueperreault2720 4 роки тому +10

    I’ve never heard of him or his music. Just because a video got millions of views on UA-cam doesn’t mean it’s popular or well known. Especially, in a genre like Christian music.

  • @carlossegura403
    @carlossegura403 4 роки тому +8

    We should all just sue each other at this point.

  • @zos4711
    @zos4711 4 роки тому +148

    We are all out of notes. Similarity will happened as always. So all birds can sue the parrot 🦜 as this bird can imitate sounds.

    • @heartofjustice6041
      @heartofjustice6041 4 роки тому +3

      Difference is that the parrot doesnt make 40m dollars and doesnt do it on purpose thats what counts in the court intent

    • @Barely_Edited
      @Barely_Edited 4 роки тому +2

      yous gon git dem cheeks took my nigga, parrots very much copy things deliberately.
      Point being it’s like copyrighting ‘noun verb adverb noun’ in a sentence it’s crazy to have a ruling on this cause it absolutely limits anyone else doing anything remotely similar just in case
      Also the lawsuit kinda implies that Flame made the motif in 2008(? 2014? I don’t remember when his song was) but it dates as far back as Bach I think
      It’s ridiculous to try and limit a creative medium like this

    • @MrProlantern
      @MrProlantern 4 роки тому

      SUE ALL PARROTS

    • @thedevilsadvocate5210
      @thedevilsadvocate5210 4 роки тому

      There is only do re me fa so la ti do

  • @Cambree_Catalano
    @Cambree_Catalano 4 роки тому +41

    So many ppl money hungry

    • @drlinglm4133
      @drlinglm4133 4 роки тому

      So many people think they can own something they didn’t create... I can’t wait until the relatives of the creators of instruments start suing everybody. You just can’t own music and every damn note on the scale.

  • @ghost93700
    @ghost93700 4 роки тому +16

    This dude made more from the lawsuit than from his whole career

    • @TheWinterShadow
      @TheWinterShadow 4 роки тому

      He should...he owns it....Katy's team took the risk and got burned.

  • @Totalchaos0228
    @Totalchaos0228 4 роки тому +102

    This is not like Vanilla ice and Queen & Bowie...that was a blatant RIP off. I definitely hear the intense similarity between the two, they are not much different at all...but can you own and copyright sound?

    • @heartofjustice6041
      @heartofjustice6041 4 роки тому +9

      You cant own a sound but you can own a sequence of sounds just like you cant own a word but you can own a phrase ex. "Ive fallen and i cant get up" is copyrighted

    • @Anne_one
      @Anne_one 4 роки тому +6

      Yes, that beat is someone else’s intellectual property because they came up with it, and they did not give permission for you to use it.

    • @photios4779
      @photios4779 4 роки тому +11

      You can own a sequence of sounds *if* it is sufficiently original and creative to deserve copyright protection. To give an analogy, the United States copyright office will not register the copyright on an isolated phrase because a few words strung together is not sufficiently original, but they will on longer original textual works such as books or magazine articles. Clearly at some point, a string of words or a sequence of sounds becomes copyrightable, but the law doesn't define precisely how much originality or complexity is required, so that's where reasonable people and courts have occasionally struggled.
      In this case, the beat that Katy allegedly stole is relatively simple and it's not out of the question that a musician could independently come up with something like it without having ever heard Joyful Noise by Flame.
      Another problem is that the sequence of musical notes used in creating the beat have at least partially been used in songs that were released many decades ago. New York University music professor Lawrence Ferrara testified at the trial as an expert witnesses for the defense (Katy Perry). He stated that the two much older songs, Jolly Old St. Nicholas and Merrily We Roll Along, have nearly identical sequences of musical notes. Obviously the sequence of sounds will come across somewhat differently when played on more traditional instruments than a synthesizer. But still, it's not as if nothing like that had ever existed before Flame released Joyful Noise. Now to be fair to the jurors, I wasn't there and so I didn't hear the evidence they did. But based upon what I know, I'm not so sure I agree with their verdict.

    • @osaze2708
      @osaze2708 4 роки тому +4

      Nnenna are you sure they came up with it?

    • @elijah-jamesmac2039
      @elijah-jamesmac2039 4 роки тому

      Same way as you can own and copyright a color

  • @wam1549
    @wam1549 4 роки тому +54

    Beyonce might be next. She likes saying she was inspired. 😐

    • @arielslack7015
      @arielslack7015 4 роки тому +3

      Wa M already happenedA woman slapped a lawsuit on her for drunk in love

  • @djstarsign
    @djstarsign 4 роки тому +18

    Art of Noise should sue Flame for ripping off "Moments in Love"

  • @RobertAA90
    @RobertAA90 4 роки тому +40

    Anyone ever hear “Moments in love” by Art of noise back in 1985.....

    • @vincentlucketti8316
      @vincentlucketti8316 4 роки тому +9

      EADGBE2017 Thank you! Finally someone who actually knows music and has a perceptive ear.

    • @4bfam
      @4bfam 4 роки тому +1

      While I agree, juicy J should ve said he stole it from somewhere else 😂😂

    • @humblebeetoby
      @humblebeetoby 4 роки тому

      @@vincentlucketti8316 are you gatekeeping music?

    • @kelceybell9043
      @kelceybell9043 4 роки тому +1

      👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾thought the same thing!

    • @joeylozano4215
      @joeylozano4215 4 роки тому

      EXACTLY! Thats what I've been saying!

  • @Borderlines
    @Borderlines 4 роки тому +25

    How many notes does it take to give a judgment for this type of case? I find it really odd because the similarity sound tenuous

    • @xavierbryant8872
      @xavierbryant8872 4 роки тому +1

      3 to a jury who have no clue about how music functions

  • @4thaluvofjess
    @4thaluvofjess 4 роки тому +13

    We'll if thats the case then that guy has to be sued too. It's same tune as Bach and a Christmas Carol.

    • @nachtegaelw5389
      @nachtegaelw5389 4 роки тому

      Jess B open domain. Do some research.

    • @4thaluvofjess
      @4thaluvofjess 4 роки тому +1

      @@nachtegaelw5389 I'm being sarcastic.

  • @CoachGregAdams
    @CoachGregAdams 4 роки тому +24

    Bruno Mars is in trouble for sure. But, I believe he pays out prior to releasing. Gap Band or Isley's for example.

    • @MK-hh1vo
      @MK-hh1vo 4 роки тому +1

      That's what "artists" who "borrow" are supposed to do; pay up front to use someone else's creation.

    • @ThingsILikke
      @ThingsILikke 3 роки тому

      He did that with Breakbot also- "Baby I'm Yours." He asked Breakbot if he could re-do the song and Breakbot said no, so Bruno made "Treasure" which sounds very similar, but with crappy lyrics

  • @nikolinealling7269
    @nikolinealling7269 4 роки тому +6

    This is really just hurting his own image, but then again he only cares about the one million, and not his future career

  • @bettynolo23
    @bettynolo23 4 роки тому +36

    He's a Christian and he sued?! Not very christian😂😂😂😂 what happened to turn the other cheek?

    • @starstruckstar2597
      @starstruckstar2597 4 роки тому +3

      You sue for the principle of it if yiu get money, then great!. We are Christians either way. Has nothing to do with that.

    • @bettynolo23
      @bettynolo23 4 роки тому +1

      @@starstruckstar2597 as Christians you're supposed to forgive and do what Jesus would do. You're supposed to live like Christ, hence the name Christianity. To sue is seeking vengeance and recompense which is not Christian, you are supposed to turn the other cheek. It's a rule of satanism to sue people, under the sin of forgetting past orthodoxies, they sue over the principle, where good Christians are not supposed to. Nowhere in Christian teaching does it say to sue people. A person who sues can claim to be Christian but they're not practicing their faith, they're going directly against the teachings of Christ, which is not Christian. You can be in denial about it all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that it's not Christian and therefore people that do it, aren't behaving like Christians.

    • @sineamont1442
      @sineamont1442 4 роки тому

      since that music, his music is being considered devilish. understand deeper before you laugh.

    • @Whitneypyant
      @Whitneypyant 4 роки тому

      So just because someone is christian that automatically gives someone permission to steal

    • @Whitneypyant
      @Whitneypyant 4 роки тому +1

      Betty Nolo wow you are completely nuts. Just because they are christian doesn’t mean they should sit back allow someone to steal from you

  • @Thomas-fc7uo
    @Thomas-fc7uo 4 роки тому +17

    Leave it 6 years then file for copyright infringement? The two songs don’t even seem similar. A song is about the lyrics not the beat

    • @GoDxism
      @GoDxism 4 роки тому +2

      Wrong. A song is about everything in composition.

    • @Whitneypyant
      @Whitneypyant 3 роки тому

      They filed a lawsuit after the song was released.

  • @golderp
    @golderp 4 роки тому +5

    As an aspiring writer, I come up with story synopsis all the time only to find out a similar story is already published. We live in a world where our consciousness is intertwined so it’s inevitable that we would have related imaginations. Me thinks if it’s not outright copy, i.e. word for word or beat for beat ripoffs, then there is no infringement.

  • @alan-zl7ee
    @alan-zl7ee 4 роки тому +70

    Not even close🤦‍♂️🤭 seriously maybe in good day and it was good day...

    • @Anna-oj1pg
      @Anna-oj1pg 4 роки тому +4

      It’s incredibly close 😂

    • @chanceagray
      @chanceagray 4 роки тому

      ua-cam.com/video/UTTzh8DZkFY/v-deo.html

    • @chanceagray
      @chanceagray 4 роки тому

      That is a video showing how similar they are.

  • @abe6495
    @abe6495 4 роки тому +23

    Slippery slope, next time you know someone will sue you for copying their humming.

  • @jmatt4life
    @jmatt4life 4 роки тому +9

    WoW!!!
    Totally screwed up music industry, especially if no plagiarism was involved!
    Makes you wonder about being a musician!
    WTF?!?!?

    • @izraelburgess937
      @izraelburgess937 4 роки тому

      jmatt4life this isn’t even the first time this has happened. People are just upset because it’s Katy Perry a really famous singer vs Flame a nobody , I guarantee if the roles were reversed everyone would support Katy

    • @Mandibularmenace
      @Mandibularmenace 4 роки тому

      @@izraelburgess937 Nah. Hate both equally, but the ruling was just retarded

  • @MM-dk1qf
    @MM-dk1qf 4 роки тому +2

    Update: APRIL 2020, the lawsuit have turned tables.
    The judge sided Katy and her team that the beat IS NOT STOLEN.
    Every musician I knew say exactly the same, and I asked 15 guitarist/pianist ✌️

  • @internettoughguy
    @internettoughguy 4 роки тому +9

    The real winners here are the celebrity's lawyers. $$$ Daddy needs a new beach house to go with that yacht! Woo hoo.

  • @stoneyll
    @stoneyll 4 роки тому +73

    Christian Rap? and Katy Perry's music is not my cup of tea..
    But Gawd Damn, she is good looking.

    • @calebleggett5504
      @calebleggett5504 4 роки тому

      C C still does, go check her out going back to her roots

    • @JTScott1988
      @JTScott1988 4 роки тому

      Yes Christian rap. Any music can be Christian. All ot takes is lyrics

  • @jaridkeen123
    @jaridkeen123 4 роки тому +11

    Lol this lawsuit is bullshit. He definitely is sueing over Basic Music Concepts.

  • @bbwelii4485
    @bbwelii4485 4 роки тому +6

    when you’re broke so you sue someone more relevant than you for money 😂😂😂

  • @Md-sz8ys
    @Md-sz8ys 4 роки тому +3

    I'm sueing my coworker because he started the day after me with the same job title for 7.5 million

  • @Ilman01
    @Ilman01 4 роки тому +3

    so they're saying, if i want to use a similar melody to another song i have to get permission??
    even though the instrumentals are completely different, the chord progression are completely different, and youre saying an artist can claim a chord?
    Hey! that is too similar too twinkle twinkle little star, ur getting *SUED*

  • @bearbratproductions
    @bearbratproductions 4 роки тому +5

    Ummm... 2:10 Why does his attorney look like he hasn’t slept in a week...?

  • @jmcsquared18
    @jmcsquared18 4 роки тому +31

    "Perry and her song's coauthors testified during the seven-day trial that they had never heard of Gray or his song."
    All the burn.

  • @10thfreeytredtrial86
    @10thfreeytredtrial86 4 роки тому +2

    All they had to do was pay his publishers 100$ get clearance like your suppose to do. Now they paid millions for that clearance 😂

  • @lukekent9687
    @lukekent9687 4 роки тому +24

    Watch adam neelys video on this for a music theory breakdown of how ridiculous this case is!
    Im all for copyright protection for artists being one myself but this one is absurd...kind of like claiming copyright for a word or a colour

    • @emancipatedhost4598
      @emancipatedhost4598 4 роки тому +3

      Exactly. He was talking about original ideas using the same melodies and notes but not sampling directly from the track or its primitives. This kind of stuff is bullshit for musical art.

    • @dirtbag_8132
      @dirtbag_8132 4 роки тому

      Except, colors can actually be trademarked. Also, words can be as well bsed on font/type, inflectional, etc. "Let's get ready to rumble" is a trademark.

  • @quinnreverance611
    @quinnreverance611 4 роки тому +41

    Lmfao it was like 3 notes

  • @tankgirllovesroos
    @tankgirllovesroos 4 роки тому +2

    It is truly a travesty of justice. They are ruining the music industry! 🤬

  • @dzjanadzjin
    @dzjanadzjin 4 роки тому +4

    There should be a judge that knows the basics of music

  • @celestthephoenixninjaphoen4018
    @celestthephoenixninjaphoen4018 4 роки тому +4

    Someone: "H-"
    Musician: That was in my song, I'm suing you

  • @alyssawinchester2086
    @alyssawinchester2086 4 роки тому +5

    Can’t this world just love music and get the hell along? Jesus f Christ!

  • @CrazyWarriorCatLady
    @CrazyWarriorCatLady 4 роки тому +1

    I mean, music is inspired by other music. Just like art is inspired by art. What a mess. We need to make lawsuits harder to do in America. There is so much backlog in the judicial system due to these frugal lawsuits, that many people who are incarcerated, or awaiting trail are being denied their right to a speedy trail.

  • @littleliza16
    @littleliza16 4 роки тому +6

    Ok so making music in itself is already hard. To think that you came up with the original beats is rewarding. But sometimes people can make mistakes and come up with beats without knowing that it exists in another song. No artist or song writer has the time to listen to all the songs in the world and say nope we can't do this beat because its copyright. And also there are many songs out there that have also been exposed to have the same beats but did the artists sue each other. No. Because as an artist/song writer they understand how hard it is to come up with your own beats. Who knows what if the guy suing Katy Perry has done the same thing but the person who came the original beat was chill and was willing not to sue him. This guy needs to come down and take a chill pill in order to realize it's not the end of the world. Tbh I believe that he is jealous for a fact that Katy Perry's song became more popular than his. Pont blank. Period

  • @ericroyal8122
    @ericroyal8122 4 роки тому +3

    Why can’t the “people” us sue the government for being shady ?

  • @ms.andrea172
    @ms.andrea172 4 роки тому +4

    Marvin Gay was definitely copied. Vanilla Ice definitely copied. Katy Perry, not so much!

    • @YoungDen
      @YoungDen 4 роки тому

      Actually yes it does if you take the top of it off but they put a pop sound over it to mask it.

  • @imreallyalone
    @imreallyalone 4 роки тому +2

    Imagine what would a charcoal drawer would do against other charcoal drawers, as they are using same colour for their arts.

  • @looneyburgmusic
    @looneyburgmusic 4 роки тому +2

    This will most likely be overturned on appeal. Especially considering that Gray himself stole the beat from an earlier 80's song.

  • @jacob7130
    @jacob7130 4 роки тому +6

    Interesting I thought this beat sounded like a song I heard when I was younger. I've tried to find the song, but I thought it was an artist from way before

  • @68w20
    @68w20 4 роки тому +5

    This is the Me Too of artists and musicians 😒

  • @IVG.Reaper
    @IVG.Reaper Рік тому +1

    That's not even close her sample actually came from a song from the 80s called Moments In Love by The Art Of Noise

  • @HalkerVeil
    @HalkerVeil 4 роки тому +1

    You know who else uses that beat?
    Bach in his adagio for violin sonata.
    It's even used in Jolly old Saint Nicholas.

  • @user-zb3yl1wu8u
    @user-zb3yl1wu8u 4 роки тому +5

    Imagine pouring your heart out on an original masterpiece, only to have people challenge you for your money in court lmao eff'd up stuff smh

    • @benvasilinda9729
      @benvasilinda9729 4 роки тому +1

      Anthony Yalon imagine u spending tons of money and time in a recording studio to create such a master piece and then 15-20 years later some new artists just comes along and steals ur hard work and makes millions off of it. Then because u do nothing about it, lots of new artists start taking some of ur other works and adding on it and then making millions of dollars on ur other works. Now when a commercial, movie or another artists wants to us that other artists version, they get royalties on their stolen work from u and u get nothing.

  • @NarrativeFrontier
    @NarrativeFrontier 4 роки тому +4

    We’re gonna run out of sounds and beat rhythms if we cant copy a little bit lol

  • @colleenforrest7936
    @colleenforrest7936 4 роки тому +1

    There's a difference between using simular musical elements and not knowing which song is about to play when you hear the song starting.

  • @ameldaj7700
    @ameldaj7700 2 роки тому

    I really wanted to make a song. Then how to start. Is there any app or instrument to check the similarity? Help me😣😣😣. Don't have money to pay the sue😭😭😅

  • @Dexshadow
    @Dexshadow 4 роки тому +4

    I'm going to sue my brother for having similar resemblance to my physical features. That's basically what this video is saying.

  • @albertflores8884
    @albertflores8884 4 роки тому +5

    The real question is what the he'll is the guy from Live PD commenting on a Katy Perry song " GAY "

    • @kelceybell9043
      @kelceybell9043 4 роки тому

      Albert Flores he's been a legal correspondent far before Live PD.

  • @ArchangelsWrath
    @ArchangelsWrath 4 роки тому +2

    In a couple years, we will have to make a new instrument, because someone owns instrument sounds, are a whole note to themselves

  • @conorsadauskas2838
    @conorsadauskas2838 4 роки тому +1

    I am all for stopping plagiarism, but that is not what is happening here. Legal teams are using small elements of music to make a case that will confuse a jury because they know that the general population does not know enough about music composition to make an informed decision. Cases like these stifle creativity and seem to be moving the music industry to a dangerous place. As a song writer, a composer, and a music teacher, rulings like these are truly disturbing.

  • @happy5808
    @happy5808 4 роки тому +3

    Yeah well Katy made that song magic. The original was pretty much in the dark. She's welcome

  • @Jsb078
    @Jsb078 4 роки тому +6

    There’s only so many beats in a life Time that people can make. It’s getting harder to make a beat that hasn’t already been done. But if you want to use something, just ask the owners permission and get it in writing for a contract. That’s it! It will save all the sueing .

  • @WalterLiddy
    @WalterLiddy 4 роки тому +2

    I always assumed Vanilla Ice was openly sampling from Bowie/Queen. Bizarre to think he'd hope they wouldn't notice. Everyone did.

  • @Duckduckobtusegoose
    @Duckduckobtusegoose 2 роки тому +2

    I think it’s important that people realize that if Katy Perry’s team could’ve proved that his beat/riffs were in fact not his, and just building blocks passed through music, then he would not have been awarded a win in the case.
    It’s simply not the same as having a generic guitar rift played in thousands of country songs, as it’s nearly impossible to follow back where they originated. The most important fact of the case being that the beat/riff was distinct enough and not shown in other songs previous to the plaintiff.
    Edit: after doing research, the verdict was appealed and Katy won her money back which is a great thing. As long as they can prove the person suing did not originate the beat/riff then there is no need for anyone to claim ownership of a reused/sampled piece of music.

  • @writergrlT
    @writergrlT 4 роки тому +3

    But if you pay first there wouldn't be an issue right. 🤷🏾‍♀️ just ask the artist and let it be that because even tho you were inspired you can't use that as a defense.

  • @DJSIQRIQ
    @DJSIQRIQ 4 роки тому +4

    You cant say the word "a" in any songs
    It's been copy written

    • @nachtegaelw5389
      @nachtegaelw5389 4 роки тому

      DJSiQRiQ that’s not how copyright works. Do some research.

  • @AndySaenz
    @AndySaenz 4 роки тому +2

    This is a case of extortion. The only similarity in these 2 songs is their ostinato. Nobody owns the basic elements of music notation!
    It’s a frivolous lawsuit that should have been dismissed immediately, they just want to get lots of money out of Katy Perry.

  • @10thfreeytredtrial86
    @10thfreeytredtrial86 4 роки тому +1

    What’s crazy is how most producers are underpaid but get hit with the biggest lawsuits for copying

  • @ColtonMyers1
    @ColtonMyers1 4 роки тому +3

    “Joyful Noise” should be sued for copying Bach then, since that melodic line was utilized well before their subpar song.

    • @starstruckstar2597
      @starstruckstar2597 4 роки тому

      He is a very successful Christian artist who was a millionaire way before this. Katy has always known who he is. She thought she was untouchable because she is mainstream and he is not. You can't do that!! You can't copy somebody else's production and pass it as your own. You have to respect their art. It doesn't matter who they are!!

    • @ColtonMyers1
      @ColtonMyers1 4 роки тому +1

      Starstruck 15 why are you pivoting back to Katy Perry, when “Joyful Noise” is almost an exact imitation of a piece by Bach...

  • @versaceboygaming3493
    @versaceboygaming3493 4 роки тому +17

    The gay family 💀💀

    • @ryry998
      @ryry998 4 роки тому

      @@derekb0 oh stfu cupcake 💋

    • @alison4316
      @alison4316 4 роки тому

      Or are you commenting because of what happened in Marvin Gay's family?

  • @scottarivett496
    @scottarivett496 4 роки тому +1

    In the first place a rapper claiming infringement is an oxymoron. I didn’t hear enough similarity there to keep from getting thrown out of court. Gaga’s Shallow sounds break for break like any number of other songs. They went after a big fish to see if they could land a big catch and our justice system played the fool once again

  • @thomaslewis6665
    @thomaslewis6665 2 роки тому +1

    This was a really bad verdict from the jury. Thankfully, the U.S. district court judge vacated the judgment. Marcus Gray has appealed to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. In recent oral arguments, the 3-judge panel expressed skepticism that any copyright violation occurred. Hopefully, this meritless case will disappear soon.

  • @AndySaenz
    @AndySaenz 4 роки тому +12

    The lawsuit of David Bowie and Queen vs. Vanilla Ice is actually legitimate. He copied their exact beat and bass line, it was exactly the same.

  • @chadperezguitar
    @chadperezguitar 4 роки тому +3

    Ed’s song is pretty obvious as well. He’s getting sued.

  • @cizzlebot
    @cizzlebot 4 роки тому +1

    Such utter bullshit. The fact that they demanded a bunch of clueless jurors (instead of experts in music) to come up with a verdict says it all. This is a huge scam, and will lead to even more issues in the future of the music industry.

  • @DarkKnight906
    @DarkKnight906 4 роки тому +1

    Absolutely ridiculous lawsuit outcome. Katy Perry's Dark Horse has barely anything in common with Flame's Joyful Noise. Different melody, different lyrics. Case closed!

  • @jolee7161
    @jolee7161 4 роки тому +3

    This is rediculous. There are millions of songs in the universe and some can really match coincidentally.

  • @bigaceboogiewoogie1928
    @bigaceboogiewoogie1928 4 роки тому +8

    None the less..... she still broke better than even with the beat. He probably would’ve came out better teaming up for a remix. Music is a gift from the heavens for all to enjoy.

  • @brandindash1863
    @brandindash1863 4 роки тому +1

    The problem is not sampling or being inspired by someone else’s work. The problem is when these "artists" are not paying and crediting the original sources that created the beats or lyrics and then trying to pass it off as their own creation. These people wouldn’t get sued if they just paid the original creators in the beginning.

    • @edwardmontigu5321
      @edwardmontigu5321 4 роки тому

      Brandin Dash she never heard of him before and it’s a basic building block of all music. He’s salty and if he was a big artist I don’t think he would be trying to sue her and fact about the case is he did pick the jury so that he would win when playing both beats in the song they could say it was similar without knowing anything about music. So there for he’s a thief

  • @MrForeverBean
    @MrForeverBean 4 роки тому +1

    *Welcome to America, where suing is part of the daily lives of American people.*