Season 2’s Finale RUINED Millie! (Vivziepop's Helluva Boss Writing Rant)
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I swear, if they gonna make Stolas baby sit Millie's baby to show how good of a father he is, I'm literally gonna die
Don’t give vivzie any ideas!
@hodzal5258 fr, I remember when Ozzie first appeared, I was joking about how Satan will go to anger management therapy, and it's sort of happened 😭
@@hodzal5258 thats already the plan 200% Stolas gets his perfect gay relationship with a baby and Blitzo that he always wanted because hes just a silly cute uwu owo boio and Octavia will become the next villain cus women bad grr
@@reainGod that makes me so mad. I hate Blitzo and Stolas.
Dam its gonna most likely be the case
You guys remember when they had that short about the fanfic writer and everyone joked that she was writing the plot of the show
Doesn’t really feel like a joke anymore
Also why was that girl in hell. What did she do? Did they just send her to hell because she would enjoy it.
Bro that was 3 months ago, they did it as forshadowing
@@TotallyaHasBeen because she is born in here
@@rurijo3169 I’m confused brother … so having a relationship on a carton about hell and different types of parents are bad?
@@kevindoesthingz No, they mean the style of her writing and poor character development. Feels very amateur and mostly just ship content.
When she snapped at Moxxie I thought “wow Millie isn’t perfect, there are cracks in their relationship and maybe they’re giving her some depth like Blitz”
But nope, she was just a silly hormonal woman made crazy by pregnancy female hormones.
If they go through with her keeping the baby her character will basically be wife and mum.
wasn´t their relationship issue in Camper´s episode enough for you?
@@kataminedj Or her telling Blitz that Imps don’t deserve a nice office and are just muscle. Or repeatedly calling Loona “our hellhound”. She has character flaws to do with internalised classism. She also has wants such as being more than an assassin and supporting wife to Moxie as she stated in Unhappy Campers. She probably will be nothing but wife and mum TO YOU because you ignore every one of her character traits and flaws and currently only see her as the generic strong woman character.
@@miraculerlukanette8202yuh mean the Moxxie focused episode?
I wish Millie played a bigger role in the story or ig any of the characters
Sucks that we have to wait until seasons 3+ to get them to actually interact with each other at least we got Ghostfuckers & ig that one episode with Millie n Loona and 100 with Stoliz 🥲
@@abiliv-lf9tz There has been a deliberate effort to establish Millie as the stable character and the M&Ms relationship as ideal. This is what will make the cracks in the relationship and her emotional reactions more impactful. Characters don’t need to change to be developed. While Stolas drama was unfolding we were familiarised with Millie and Moxies’s character patterns so the main inciting incident for their arcs, the pregnancy, can be given more focus and impact.
3:52 No, owls cannot smell if a woman is pregnant. Birds in general had bad sense smell and owls rely on their sight to hunt for prey.
If anything Loona would've sensed it before anyone else, shes a canine and canines and smell and detect changes in hormones.
But they say that when owls are hunting, they can tell when a mouse is pregnant by sound!😮🦉
@@horgosmark9886 There's no evidence to support that.
You might be thinking of a superstition where if a pregnant woman hears an Owl hoot the woman will have a safe pregnancy. It's just folklore, not fact.
Owls primarily rely on their hearing when hunting
Literally no one in the episode nor anyone in the crew said that Stolas actually sensed Millie pregnant. You all are just taking a simple fan theory seriously and like it’s what the show is saying to “criticise” it.
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I didn’t really like how they tried to hint at her being pregnant earlier in the episode by just being moody and emotional. All she wanted to do was just *do her job.* and she was getting annoyed because blitz was getting emotional and putting off their work. It just felt icky to me, Millie’s being unreasonable because of her ‘womanly emotions.’ It just annoyed me.
She also threw up another sign.
But agreed it was a bit too rushed, should have been hinted at over the course of the season.
Like her getting emotional over a musical Moxxie was watching, which would be strange considering Moxxie is more into musicals.
Her craving some random food item, maybe even that Infestor Demon hinting at it in a riddle while attacking them, etc.
I agree like that shit was hella annoying and the fact they made it seem like she was in the wrong pisses me off even more
Because women do have dramatic and sudden mood swings?? Especially in pregnancy. Yes she wanted to do her job but she insulted moxxie for no reason plus blitz is their boss, he said he won't take up this mission so she has to listen. Idk what your point even is.
@karmavenus2243 literally they said what there point was all she wanted to do was do her job yet they made it seem like it was "JuSt SoMe PrEnGnANTy" when in reality she was in the right for being upset (expect for the moxxie thing) they killed a family before yet blitz want to act all emotional for what? For something that's literally THERE JOB
Vivziadry striking again !
I actually laughed out loud when I saw the reveal. They really couldn't think of ANYTHING else to do with Millie and resorted to the pregnancy card. Incredible
@@WingedFish66 millions of dollars and this is the best they had xD
The worst part about it is that I cannot literally see where the show is heading with her. It kills the entire show for me because I literally already know what's gonna happen next😭 she was one of my favorite characters but I don't see a point in watching the show anymore for her or really any other female character because I know her story beat by beat. In fact, here is how her story line will probably go from now on.
1) She's gonna avoid telling Moxxie, maybe if we're lucky we'll get a few episodes or running gags about it.
2) when she does tell Moxxie, most likely during a mental breakdown, she be super sad and he'll be super excited, next step, she tells him she's scared and either A: he gets upset and confused at her for seemingly not wanting the baby. B: he's fully supportive and calms her down.
3) She keeps the baby.
4) she retires from I.M.P and becomes a stay at home wife.
If I'm wrong about how this is going to play out, I'll personally write an apology tot he helluva boss team.
Yes of course. Because afterall, Millie is just an accessory. She is not a character, just a mere accessory. She'll be another accessory to that damn baby, which is probably, just a wild guess, gonna be a boy.
@ That unironically sounds like something Vivzie would do. "People are always complaining about Millie, and I can't just kill her off, so what can I do to effectively sideline her out of the show for as much as possible... AHA!"
I really want to know what Vizie has against female characters, because at this point it's becoming ridiculous. You don't need to be a fan of Helluva or Hazbin to understand this, just watch about three episodes of both series and you'll notice the extra affection and dedication that the male characters have compared to the girls. Vizie may even say that she "loves" all of her characters, but she makes it very clear that she has her priorities, male characters and gay relationships.
It kind of just feels "fandom-brained" if you get what I mean. The show's written like a fanfiction, men get to be the cool complex LGBT ones while female characters are ignorable because... well have you seen the Tumblr Sexyman trope? Fandoms basically center around, if not entirely gravitate towards the Male Character or MLM ship of a series.
People like Vivzie don't froth at the mouth over a well written female character, they're more interested in a Blitz for example. The angsty cool guy who curses a lot and whatnot.
Its self indulgence and pandering to a fanbase that loves it all just as much as she does. Its basically made specifically for that crowd.
it was just with Stolas and Blitz, also is not like the fathers are better...yes they are not
@@SodaFrizz666 This exactly. Frankly, it is WAY more obvious with Stella than Millie. Stella is written as an obstacle, a heinous cow of a woman who does nothing but scream and get in the way of the "true uwu yaoi ship" of Blitz and Stolas. It's the same sh*t that happened back in the 2010s with Sakura in Naruto, for example.
Viv is only passionate about yaoi shipping, so only male characters are of any true interest to her. It’s also why she can’t write a male character without setting up yaoi shipping bait between them and at least one other male character, even the ones in heterosexual relationships or who are asexual are intentionally written to interact with other male characters in ways that tease a potential yaoi ship. Likewise she can’t not adhere to the overtly seme/uke top/bottom dynamics, she never depicts gay characters or gay relationships in a way that qualifies as sincere LGBTQ rep, she only ever writes yaoi fetish fuel for straight women.
I’m being very intentionally with the use of the word “yaoi” here as Viv’s writing encapsulates the cringe yaoi fanfictions from the early 2000s, I’m not exaggerating when I say it feels like Viv is mentally trapped in that era.
Early 2000s Yaoi fan girls were notoriously misogynistic towards female characters, they would write horrendously disparaging caricatures of female characters in their yaoi fanfics, the “evil wife” and “escaping an arranged marriage with an evil wife” tropes were done to death to any canon female love interest of a male character, Stella is a one-for-one replica of this. Viv has seemingly never grown out of the internalised misogyny she learned from the early 2000s yaoi culture and it’s showing in her writing.
@@Sanakudou she is bisexual
Okay, so in my humble opinion, this is how this shits gonna go:
The drama isn’t gonna be Millie thinking Mox wouldn’t want the child but instead it’s gonna be her not wanting the child because y’know having a child kinda fucks ur career, the show will then villainize her for wanting to have a life outside of motherhood/ not wanting to quit her job, which will result in stupid drama between her and moxxie ultimately ending with her becoming a background character that only takes care of moxxies kid and who’s only role is being moxxies wife.
May e stoles becomes their nanny to fill the void Octivia leaves him.
The other story i could see is Crimson kidnapping their infant baby at some point, but judging from the timeline, that could be a Season 4 plotline, which could take more than 2 years until we get it.
6:36, ah, he mentioned it here.
If i had a nickel for everytime a female character becomes a background character because "baby momma", i'd have well over 10 nickels, which IS a lot and should stop happening by now.
This is *exactly* what I was thinking as soon as her pregnancy was revealed. Millie has had such a boring and uneventful character arc so far that I don't expect anything to happen during her pregnancy arc that hasn't been done to death by the media already. It's way too obvious the writers didn't know what else to do with Millie so they threw some basic conflict at her so she's not just standing awkwardly in the background of every scene
no, i can even make it worse.
Imagine if they decided to make Millie die by childbirth JUST SO Stolitz can have all the screentime together.
Some of the reasons why Millie is sad/insecure about the pregnancy:
-She wasn't planning to have a baby yet or never
-Not ready for maternity
-Not wanting go through pregnancy
-Their economy is not good enough to maintain another family member
-Not knowing how Moxxie will react
-Fear her career might be over
-Her father-in-law is a psychopath
-Etc...
Those reasons are valid and not all women are happy knowing they're pregnant and that doesn't mean Millie "cheated".
Thank you 👏👏👏👏👏
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There’s a whole ring that is about medical stuff, hrt exists and works well her sister is a trans women for fucks sake she can get an adoration if hrt exists but adorations don’t would be dumb
and maybe those people they killed who got cheated on
@@Thegreatbritshpenquin It takes 5 years to make an appointment to get a vaccine. Stolas was seen immediately because he was royal. It’s established that the Sloth ring does not offer excellent care to members of the lower class. The sloth beings barely function as they are all zooted.
We don’t know her sister’s journey to get trans health care. Maybe it wasn’t great.
I can already tell from a mile away what's about to happen:
a) Once the baby is born, Stolas will be asked to babysit the child to show how good of a dad he is, Octavia will se it and she will forgive him few episodes later.
b) Millie during her pregnancy will be more and more angry because once the pregnancy gets advanced- she won't be able to go out and fight with the rest.
c) Crimson is going to kidnap the baby to get to Mox.
d) Moxxie will be overly trying to be a good dad and try his best not to show any sign of what business he's in to his child, afraid to become like Crimson.
@@ad1kher0gaming71 worst thing is, that’s ALL that Millie and Moxxie are gonna get the whole of season 3
The Bechdel test shows how well a movie or TV show represents women. There is only one requirement. Two women must have a conversation about something other than a man to pass the test.
I don’t think Helluva Boss passes. The only girl on girl conversation that I can remember is in S1E6 where Millie and Loona go to rescue the boys. Even then, the conversation is about rescuing men, so it fails. They have over 7 hours of runtime and they can’t pass the test?
Unless I’m forgetting a scene, which I hope I am, Helluva Boss sucks at representing women
Edit: There is a scene! In Hell’s Belles, Millie and her sister talk about Millie visiting the family. Same with the scene in S1E8 where the hellhounds make fun of Loona. I still think there is some warranted criticism about how Helluva Boss handles its female characters though. As one reply brought up, all of the female leads have story arcs revolving around men.
Nope I genuinely think you’re right
The only scene that probably passes the test was millie and her mother talking about how she can't join the compitetion and her sister can becuase she's good at hiding bodies.
@ yeah but it’s brought up cos her husband is doing it
Exactly. Octavia’s entire character is being her dad’s daughter. Loona’s most significant relationships are with her dad and a male crush. And outside of them her one conversation with Octavia was about their dad’s. Millie took forever to have an actual personality and now she’s being reduced to “Pregnant wife”. Stella spends all her time trying to kill Stolas. Etc etc.
if we stretch it loona being surprised about Millies age is the closest we get to passing the test I think.
At this point the writers only gave her the pregnancy plot to make her “useful” I mean- how else are we gonna get more Stolitz in the third season?
Friggin kill me
She said she's ganna focus way less on stolitz in season 3 and focus more on the villains
Whenever Stolas is not a screen, everyone should say where is Stolas.
@@TotallyaHasBeen what?
@Jakky_clarkk She also said that Millie was actually going to be a character this season. She also said that Helluva Boss was a male character focus show while Hazbin Hotel is a female character focus show (weird) but they both seem to prefer the male characters.
Oml the child's gonna replace Octavia and Octavia will have another drama plot with Stolas talking about he don't care about her so much that he replaced her
Is that what might happen 😭
It just feels so random and out of the blue for them to reveal Millie is pregnant when it has nothing to do with her arc. What arc she has at least.
Like Viv realised she's given Millie nothing and just randomly decided "this will give Millie something to do", which is one of the most cliche arcs you can give a female character. Being pregnant.
It'd be something if there was some setup, but then Helluva Boss has a bad habit of giving payoffs with no setup.
Also I wanna know is...Why did I.M.P come to Stolas' rescue with like ZERO weapons? Why does Stolas have an armory stocked with weapons? Don't they have an Angelic Rifle that could kill Andrealphus?
To be fair you usually only show signs of pregnancy around 1 week or 2 weeks so millie's symptoms probably only just started
But yeah I agree that millie's *character arcs* are incredibly lack luster at best and unimportant at worst
I'm not upset about Millie having a healthy family but even people with healthy families or friends can have flaws and insecurities that isn't always womenly related
Millie having a pregnancy arc might be an interesting idea and dilemma for her to struggle trough and try to figure out the idea isn't the problem it's the execution
It feels weird Millie's only real and her first flaw and insecurity was her pregnancy
Millie's such wasted potential tbh
@@BlazeBlisterthespino7494 True, but it's still something the show could have set up so it doesn't feel like it comes out of nowhere. As-is, it's just a thing that happens for plot reasons, not character reasons.
Like some character-driven drama about Millie wanting kids, or not wanting kids set up in an earlier episode, so there's some actual emotional payoff to her learning she's pregnant.
I like that Millie is one of the few characters who lacks serious emotional baggage or drama...But Viv just neglected to give Millie anything in place of that lack of personal conflict. So she just has her become pregnant to give her something to do.
I'm not against the 'idea' of Millie becoming pregnant but it just has no setup, it's a story arc that has no starting point so it feels unearned. It would be like if we had Octavia cut Stolas off without ever establishing they had a strained relationship beforehand.
The idea of Millie being insecure also feels like Viv pulled it out of her arse. In Season 1 we never see her struggling with insecurities because Millie is a foil to Moxxie who is nothing 'but' insecurity personified.
@@PlanetZoidstar I’m confused mostly due to it’s a cartoon you take this like it’s a real person this is weard
@@PlanetZoidstar I just looked at your reponce …. God yiur over comprehending this
@@kevindoesthingz Helluva Boss is a show written for and by adults that *wants* to tackle serious topics and themes.
But it fails due to incompetence.
Hellvua Boss being a cartoon is no excuse for poor writing, especially not since it is entirely funded by fans who deserve better.
The “Stolas knew she was pregnant and that was why he was so bewildered!!” Thing was a headcannon. Someone suggested it based off an urban legend / myth in a religion and people ran with it
Yeah I couldn’t find any scene really backing it up but kept it in the script cos I knew I heard it from somewhere x3
This is off topic but another character I am so mad about is Stella. She is just there to be an evil person who hates her husband and I would be fine with that if her brother didn’t exist. Andrealphus is what Stella could have been. Have HER want to take away Stolas’s wealth and status after his cheating. Make HER be the one who made the trial happen. Just give all of andrealphus’s personality traits to Stella! It was so easy! It makes so much more sense for the case of Stolas’s transfer of power to go to his wife than his brother-in-law. (Also I don’t think Andrealphus is a good villain by any means, his character kinda sucks too)
Not to mention that fact we have no idea how Stella feels about Octavia. We can assume she dosent care about her but two seasons in and Octavia becoming a more prominent character, we should know! I assume the writers won’t give her any complex emotions about her daughter and will just write her off as an evil mother as well. It just sucks because Stella like Millie could have been such a better written character.
Yep. Stella is pretty similar to Millie: Both are characters with Wasted potential.
What makes it sadder is that only recently has Viziepop made _ANY_ attempt to give Stella more character... In a Twitter/X post where Vizie says "Stella would have a similar backstory to Beatrice Horseman"... Which from what I got from Viziepop's track record, translates to "Stella will have a slapdashed together story that was lifted directly from Bojack Horseman, without any of the care the more professional writers did for Beatrice".
Yeah, we haven’t really been given a reason Andrealphus would want Stolas’ power yet. And I’m sorry but “he may be rich but he wants to be richer” just isn’t good enough. Stella wanting to hold on to what she has while punishing her cheating husband is good character motivation, it’s both realistic and understandable. Andrealphus wanting Stolas’ power so he can, what, get pampered in a different mansion than the one he was living in already, is not and will never be good writing.
I don't like her brother at all
Like I thought he was supposed to be the greedy manipulative brain of the duo but he's jus greedy- am sorry😭
@ Honestly I feel the same way, Andrealphus is not a good villain and has pretty poor writing too. I just think Stella could have had some character other than mean bitchy wife 😭
I swear Stella is just there to make Stolas the uwu sad boy blorbo who didnt do anything wrong despite the fact that he forced someone into sex work but loves them and stalkhomed them yippeee
Viv really seems to hate straight relationships/straight women.
It's as fujo-brained as one gets. This is the result of being raised on tumblr and deviantART
THANK YOU I’m called crazy for this!!
She would turn them bisexual or pan like 90% of the cast here.
reminds me of a certain group
@Theking-sk1bz cope your straight kind isn't welcome anymore go back to your daddy trump 😂
5:00 - This entire narrative that you just described? I’m not a Helluva Boss fan. But DAMN. I WOULD WATCH. I WOULD WATCH THIS SO HARD.
I would, this story give more depth to millie saying the relationship is not perfect
lets be honest, that sounds worse and even more pointless
Millie’s backstory in ghostfuckers made me so sad too. Fizz and Moxxie got episodes where it showed their childhood and you got to understand them more. The episode is about them. Ghost fuckers was mostly about blitzo (which I liked) but we didn’t actually get to see what lead her to feel and act the way she did and why she believed she couldn’t be anything as an imp. Imagine if Fizz’s episode had a moment where he was like ‘you almost set me on fire and that sucked’ and that was all they did with his story, that’s what they did with Millie. Idk why they can’t write Millie as a complex person like everyone else is
Because Vivzi doesn't want to spend time with the female characters, so anything they get is minimum screentime so the guys can have it the rest
HB was not advetised as a romance so that's why the audience feels justifiable betrayed. Only in episode 7 we actually start to get romance plot. Viv once twetted something in the lines of: "what's wrong if a show becomes a fanfic of itself?". We got the answear: braindead plot animated well.
I expected it to be bad, I did not expect “cheating is okay if it’s gay and and it’s bad when a woman does it”.
I'm not one who treats the Bechdel Test seriously, but Helluva Boss fails it spectacularly.
Also wow, how ironic that the most underdeveloped female character that Vivziepop insists has a lot of hidden depth is given a pregnancy plot. How much do you want to bet she’s going to be completely sidelined in the next season.
In fact that’s not even the first time she defensively said there’s nothing wrong with her writing feeling like fanfiction. She even called it homophobic when people used fanfiction as deragatory bc some queer people like it…That’s like saying it’s homophobic to shit on Big Mouth because it has some queer fans.
This is a video from Flazefire about HB and he also has one of HH, they are very informative, I recommend watching them. ua-cam.com/video/7tehtH-rg94/v-deo.html&si=GcmeFlppkDFsIJSJ
The tweets are at 26:00 mark and they go for a minute or so. One of the dates is december 1st 2024.
In other shower thoughts, with season 2 ending we can finally say that Unhappy campers WAS THE MILLIE EPISODE ALL ALONG, yes, not Ghost fu- which btw was written by Brandon. Let that sink in...how much Viv cares about Millie.
Yeah why does she hate Millie? You also nailed why I hate Stolas. He's a stupid hypocrite but its okay because he's a repressed gay.
That scene where Blitz called off the hit wasn't because "cheating is ok because it's gay", because cheating is wrong, no arguments. The hit was called off because Blitz saw the love he wanted with Stolas in the couple. Genuine love and understanding.
@@TheLegoKid2003 I mean the show obviously conveys through Stolitz that cheating is somethimes ok and the choice to not kill them is out of nowhere because they have the same information as they had in ep1. "We are ruining a family"
'Cheating is justified when its gay' excuse me what?? Do you use that weight inside your skull? Cheating is perfectly justified when you're stuck in a relationship you never wanted, especially when it is ABUSIVE and toxic. Stella never treated stolas like a husband and she HITS him. He is gay, did you expect him to fall in love with her despite everything she did?? Helluva boss fans are some of the most r-worded complaining weirdos out there istg
@karmavenus2243 hey braindead, stop putting words in my mouth. The solution is divorce THEN he can be with Blitz.
As if the Moxxie and Millie smashing on stage at the camp in the human world moment wasn’t bad enough
I honestly find it hilarious because of the humans' reactions.
@@valentinkambushev4968 "hey, they are two siblings having sex"and you forget they are also pre teens?
A lot of people have been questioning why Millie would be upset and hide her pregnancy from Moxxie. Some even say she must have cheated on him because she is so upset but, context people.
1.) They are at a party when she finds out.
Millie takes a pregnancy test at Blitzo's home (which is weird but she might have wanted to know ASAP or didn't want Moxxie finding the box at home). Telling Moxxie at the party isn't private and would make a scene.
Because remember, Stolas only JUST got rejected by his daughter on the same day. Announcing your pregnant right after that would be a bit distasteful even if excited for the news.
2.) She's processing
Millie only just found out herself she's pregnant and cried. It's clearly unplanned and she is dealing with a lot of emotions. Her not telling Moxxie is normal because even if Moxxie is supportive, Millie needs a minute to let all this sink in before talking to him.
We have no idea if Millie and Moxxie wanted kids to begin with so this whole pregnancy could be hard on both of them. Allowing her time to digest it all isn't that weird.
3.) Her job is dangerous.
During the battle, Millie was thrown through a roof and already deals with a lot of danger as an assassin. Ghostf**kers even showed us multiple Millie's from past episodes and how she could have died.
Bringing a kid up in that? It's understandable why she's scared and struggling to deal with the idea of a baby straight away.
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So all in all, no. It's not weird at all Millie found out she's pregnant but hasn't said anything yet.
And also that no, Millie's not a cheater
@zierragacha5089 That's what I said man
No one could have said it.
Miilie is pregnant so she can just be at home, Moxxie takes care of her. So we can have more time for Stolas.
They are struggling with money. as Blitzo didn't pay them in months as said in Ghosts, so maybe it's just money problems. Please don't be cheating.
But yeah, this whole thing is just to bring Crimson back into the story. (Why do we have two characters with mob boss as father, Moxxie and Angel)
Ugh, if I have to hear ANYTHING more about bird!
Stolas I never liked as a character in general. He just steals the spotlight forever and treats Blitzø like crap but it's okay because trauma.
Blitz and Moxxie were originally side characters in HH, so it makes sense that their back stories might mirror Hazbin now that they' re in their own show
@@TamelaRedfin I'm tired of the Blitzo fandom, their relationship and this show. And both of them treated each other like crap not just Stolas. I don't care if u like him or not but solely blaming him while Blitzo is just as much to blame is just character bias.
There's still so much we don't know about millie, and Vivzie told us she'd get her time to shine eventually. Now we have THIS that's going to define her personality for the rest of the entire series😊👍🏼
The episode where they go to see Millie's family is not even about her. She is a middle child. There some story you can do with that.
Viv said she was supposed to have her own episode ALREADY, she gave us a short and so please stop trying to optimistic with her, she always says, doesnt do it.
Don't trust Viv when writing HB or HH
Number one rule when being a vivziepop fan: don't trust vivziepop
Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel have one thing in common: they are a writer's mess with wacky plots and ten second drama that means nothing.
A great show for teens looking for a good thrill.
Tbh yeah that’s probably why I enjoy it. I’m a teen, and I’m looking 4 a thrill.
U gotta admit tho, they do some things right. Voice acting, the music, the animation, and the writing and jokes can be good at times.
Actually two the editing and pacing for both viv written seasons are unwatchable. Seriously go rewatch hazbin season 1 and season 2 of helluva and it's like every frame is a strobe light.
@rednessgod5729 Absolutely. I still love Blitz, for God sake.
Good for you, though!
@rednessgod5729 that, but in my experience... Bad writing sometimes made all of those things meaningless.
Which is FRUSTRATING, because if one aspect is good and the rest is bad, it's a waste... Like a total waste.
@CoreRealm Agreeable
i Don't agree with the "not telling makes no sense" argument. Pregnancy is always terrifying especially when it is unplanned. I feel she is not scared about telling people because of others but for herself. I'm not sure if she doesn't want the child or not but accepting being pregnant is always hard and she definitely still wants some more time where she's still "normal". because the next 9 months are going to be very hard for her, especially as an imp in this world.
This is Moxie and Blitzo we are talking about here. This isn't character development, they're just gonna love the baby. Wow, a baby replacing a female character they hate writing , so revolutionary.
Millie telling everybody at the fuckin sinsmas party that she’s pregnant with an unplanned baby because “it’s blitzo and moxxie they’ll be super chill about this I am so 1000% sure” because that is definitely the most rational and sensible choice you make after presumably just finding out yourself. Millie would never ever call her closest family member because she’s unsure of herself and emotionally volatile and worried about her future ((I kind of understand the controversy about Millie having a kid but how tf is her reaction terrible it’s like, the most normal fucking thing 😭))
@@quartzidot4202 even if you want to tell someone you trust you are pregnant and they will love the baby. pregnancy is still scary, the whole process can be traumatizing for some women
I think the problem is that the way her reaction is written requires the audience to rationalise and inject all the reasons she could be behaving this way, we’re doing the writer’s job for them. So far the series hasn’t actually depicted their relationship in a way that can genuinely make the audience believe Millie wouldn’t feel comfortable being emotionally vulnerable with Moxxie or that she would take deliberate steps to hide this from him. Likewise, the show has consistently shown us what kind of person Moxxie is and how much he loves Millie, that alone undercuts any drama the reveal is trying to create, the show hasn’t given us anything to make us believe Moxxie wouldn’t support her unconditionally.
The way some fans came up with the idea of her reaction being because she cheated is a great example of just how much detail the show left out, as no one would be coming up with such an outlandish explanation for her reaction if there wasn’t a big empty void where a character-specific narrative conflict should be.
They really can’t make Millie more interesting without making her Prego?
Well, that would take thought...
@@TamelaRedfin And creativity.
What exactly does your username mean
I knowww! For me, it's just a sign of bad writing for her character.
@@VoxiconVoxicola it’s kinda random. It’s supposed to say “2010vibes” for like nostalgia. But UA-cam wouldn’t accept that. So I just had 2010 whatever
Mark my words the baby plotline is going to lead to the most convoluted and messy drama imagineable
Because remember: the crew can't write characters if they dont have some baggage or trauma attached to them
That's why Millie just floats around and is just vaguely "Moxxie's wife" (she LITERALLY doesnt have enough baggage to do anything since all they can write is angst)
What would be bigger baggage than a preggo plot 🤫
She’s a country girl who left behind her family to be an assassin this was covered in hells bells
She doesn’t believe she’s good enough or that imps deserve all they have right now
A lot of this feels like this is just the writing in general of the past 2 decades.
Damn that sounds like almost every tween artist's character lore.
3:26 In Unhappy Campers, the major plot point is that Moxxie has this weird childish narcissism, so the fear may be that he DOES want the kid and won't care if she doesn't
Edit: 5:04 Again, Unhappy Campers! Also, according to the flashback in Ghost****ers, Moxxie just took one look at her and just became infatuated with her, and I'm pretty sure that's not a good start to any relationship
I appreciate your story you wrote in 5 minutes more than the character development for Millie. I love Millie so much too she's still my favorite character.
Millie had so much potential to be a great character. I wish Vivziepop wasn't so afraid to give main characters negative traits (other than s*xually harassing people) so that it felt like Millie actually *had* something to improve about herself. She has no goals, no flaws, no development. She still feels like the same person she was at the start
Have her get too focused on a job she becomes unknowingly neglectful of her teammates! Have her not take her own needs seriously! Let her be insensitive! Or better yet, have her leaniency towards Blitz's behavior in the pilot get between her and Moxxie. That could have made her scene where she told Blitz he gave her a better life add so much more depth to her
Good god there are so many different things they could have done with her character other than being perfect right out of the gate
@@lupoopul4039millie most def had flaws. She didn’t even think she deserved to be in the I.M.P building because she had thought that imps were supposed to be big. In s1 and in s2 it showcases Millies classism against Luna mentioning her as blitzø’s “hellhound” when he clearly sees her as a daughter.
Never heard of pregnancy anxiety before, huh? Bro, she's living in a capitalist hellscape, and her job is unstable to the point that her and her husband have gone entire months without being paid. This is explicitly stated within the text. Add a pregnancy to that coctail, and we've got a recipe for all kinds of dread for the future. She's afraid to tell Moxxie because she isn't sure what to do. She isn't sure what to do because of the established instability in her life and the setting itself. They're setting up a storyline for the next season, and it gells really well with the themes at play in the series. Not surprised you didn't catch that, though. I mean, you aren't even making this for people who watch the show. You just wanna rake in views from idiots who want to feel superior for not watching a show.
I will admit this is like the only plotline im curious about mainly cause i dont care about Stolitz route and like the idea of Crimson kidnapping her kid just i do hope they don't force her into more of stereotypical mom route.
Also hope if she keeps it than its a girl so she can care for someone that isn't a boy.
Emberlynn Pinkle made the whole series a fanfiction before being killed by blitzo.
She continues to make the fanfiction in hell to spite everyone
Millie preganancy would be acceptable if she had a decent arc in season 2...but she doesnt..
she has, two
@Sonic2024freedomera You have literally commented several times under different comment threads, over multiple videos from different creators over the course of multiple days, maybe even weeks, voicing their grievances about this show and the direction they’re taking the show and by extension, the female characters, and defending the show and its flaws with every single comment without exception. And never even attempting to have an actual discussion about why you feel the way you do, you just go ‘nu-uh, because…’
I have a hard time believing you’re over the age of 15, seeing how much free time and excess energy you have, dedicated to UA-cam comments ranting about a badly written internet show. Mommy needs to put a limit on the iPad usage.
@@Hawxicity
Should I feel insulted or something? Should I reflect or something? I'm 18, I only go to university on Saturdays, and even if it were only for 6 hours every day, I would still have the same amount of time to watch these videos and comment on several of them, and it takes time you know, and i have time for alot of things, talk with my friends, go to other places and stuff, but i still have time do comment...but it takes a while.
Honestly I thought Millie being upset about the prargnecy would be because it would ruin her ability to work with imp and navigating her career and identity and a baby would be a challenge. And Moxie would want the baby but she wouldn't because it means giving up work time. Something she's passionate and good at. Whilst being a parent maybe not so much. And the ark is learning how to express her identity outside of her work and realize what you do isn't who you are. And I can totally see the baby being a violent monster and wonderful asset to the team when they grow a little.
(Side note: if I really wanted to see a mini assassin I woulda planned Easter eggs and pregnancy hints throughout the whole season! Not just one episode. But that's if I was writing this shindig.)
Yeah if it didn’t come out of nowhere I don’t think I’d even be bothered by it
How did i learn as a child watching fairly odd parents flop after Poof that you dont throw a child in the mix of a story to spice shit up. Its somehow even WORSE than fairly odd parents' decision. At least when Butch did it, the was the CHANCE that he could use Cosmo and Wanda's personality as a basis to add moments of comedy that puts a mirror to their personal worst qualities and throws it at them. You know.... like kids in real life do. This decision doesnt feel thought through. She doesnt have a personality yet. Anything they make the baby do will be a backdoor way into telling the audience that millie ALWAYS acted that way without having to reanimate or directly have millie retcon the series. Its lazy and its BASIC writing mistakes we learned from the MULTIPLE tv shows that made that same mistake and flopped because of it
When I first watched this episode I got insanely excited when we found out that Millie was pregnant. But then I re-watched it and I just feel like it was so… out of nowhere- I think it would’ve been better if they hinted it throughout the entire season. I’m starting to think I should take a break from helluva boss for a while.
Same i used to love the show but the toxic community and stupid gen alpha members driving me away from the show and community I still love the art and the characters but God is the community so shit
They really didn’t treat Millie the best this season though. Hopefully they may do better in season 3 but we’ll need to wait and see
@@yinyangyt8749 I have a feeling that isn’t gonna work xD
By that point it’s been half the show, that’s kind of inexcusable
Yeah, when the character was pregnant, I hated that thing so much. It made me have a terrible feeling in my stomach.
I think Millie is afraid of being pregnant because of the poverty factor. She is an imp after all. This is part of her development as a character when we see her backstory. There's some self loathing there. But hey, i might be wrong and the reason might be really dumb.
So i think that any criticism is valid as long as it's respectable, but the 4:47 part got me really confused. You say that the entire Millie's development revolves around her husband only, but when you make your suggestions of her better development, you still are... making it about her husband?
@@shab_nak I agree
Have you considered that maybe Millie isnt afraid of how her *peers* will react, but whether she, herself wants to be a mother?
Shes a feisty woman with a thriving assasin career. Becoming a mother is a big scary change.
4:19 "There are ways you can just NOT get pregnant!" .....Because accidental pregnancies never happen? Because abortions are a really easy decision? Very insensitive stupid thing to say. Whether or not she wants to be a mother, its big.
You complained about her not getting any focus. Then a new big change is given to her and you complain about it!! Ridiculous.
You also suggested a new storyline where she is once again, relegated to just "saving her husband"😂
Okay then why not wear condoms if she is worried about getting pregnant? Like they have couple issues but we also know that they have amazing communication skills too so asking her SO to wear a condom isn't that hard heck she could just by a plan B.
@@kiriekurashiki1028 A) condoms dont have a 100% success rate
B)Theyre horny imps that live in Hell.
You dont seem to understand that part of being an adult is, like the person said, should've had condoms because if you don't have anything, it's on you and you cant blame anyone but yourself because you refused to wear protection.
@@kiriekurashiki1028 Logic is not something this fictional universe has.
@@artistanthony1007 are you sure? Logic breaks or makes Storytelling.
Imagine yourself watching a Horror movie and the Protag do the cliché "We must split together" Scenario, What do you do?
A. Ignore that Obvious Stupid Writing Decision
B. Be Mad about that Stupid Decision
It doesn't matter since at the end of the day, you will feel Empty nonetheless
You can't justify Viv Writing by "Oh It's fiction so no Logic" In order to write something make the viewers Enjoyed and extract their Emotions that the show wants them to feel, You need to make it *Make sense Logically*
I’m gonna be pissed if the show takes the route of woman doesn’t want the baby but husband does then they have a big fight. Why is Millie being pregnant even a plot line in the show when there’s already two fathers whose children still need story development. We don’t have much information on Loona’s backstory but let’s ignore that and make Millie pregnant instead
I think we didn’t learn from that one Zootopia comic
It’s not always just woman doesn’t want baby, but husband does and then they have a big fight. We gotta think about each of their financial situations their jobs don’t pay well and they’re living in the one bedroom apartment and their job is dangerous. There are more reasons that Millie is scared about being pregnant more than just not wanting the baby.
Personally all I see is Oh, Millie doesn't want the kid because child detracts from her job. Doesn't wanna tell Moxxie because he Might Not Understand or some contrived thing, even though he's been supportive in everything. They have MULTIPLE misunderstandings because she just Won't Tell Moxxie. Finally does, tells him she wants abortion, Surprise! He's supportive, they do and the status quo returns and it's back to never being thought about or even mentioned again.
I see it happening over 3 episodes.
Okay, I'm not the biggest Helluva fan but I think you've completely miss the point.
Millie isn't upset because she thinks the boys are not gonna support her pregnancy, it's the opposite.
She knows Moxxie would love it, but choosing to keep the child would mean stopping her job as an assassin and that's what she doesn't want.
She loves her job and isn't afraid to put herself in danger but being pregnant would make it impossible and turn her into a liability for the team.
I think she's even tempted to have an abortion behind Moxxie's back, but doesn't want to lie to him about such an important thing.
I do agree the whole plot feels like "drama just for the drama". And yeah, they should have wear protection to avoid this situation.
Hmm, Nannies exist or put the child for adoption if she's not interested in the child.
@@pariahdark1892 In hell ? I mean... it's gonna be hard to fine "good people" for adoption. And Millie's parents already have many to take care of.
It doesn't take away from the fact that this was the worst plot they could have chosen for her character.
You do know that condoms don't always work, right? That goes for the pills, too. And sometimes, there's that a-hole that intentionally pokes holes in condoms.
We don't know if they use protection or not. And even IF they do, they don't always work.
I always sort of expected the M&Ms to face parenthood at some point because of the theme of family that the show tries to have. I didn't expect it to go down the direction of pregnancy regret for, well, all the reasons you went through. I figured it would be used at the end of the story as a way of showing how all the characters have become a family and are now expanding by one more. Like a little thematic bow at the end.
This does just seem like wanting to drama mine out of something that is often used for drama potential without really grounding it in the characters we have here.
I really don't think being a mom is enough for an imp to slow down, avoid killing or the like. It's like tigers don't stop hunting just because they have cubs. She might need some maternity leave, but I always felt like imps just accepted violence and death as a part of their existence, and don't really seek out safety in the same way humans do. Like they protect their own, but also aren't as phased by how dangerous their world is.
I mean if it was about the finances, I could see it a bit, but I feel like setting up that maybe the M&Ms during the high rolling time were actually thinking of starting a family, then Blitz put them under financial stress these past few months with his reckless spending. Then they found out their efforts succeeded when maybe putting it off for another year or two would have been better. It would also show how Blitz had a larger negative impact on their lives, but that he had to actually help them weather it this time instead of just whining about how he hurts all those who get close to him. I mean sure, you hurt them, but now you can try and help them through that damage at least instead of feeling sorry for yourself. It's still treating Millie as a vehicle for Blitz's development, but at least that would have grounded it in the behavior of the characters.
Yeah, I could see Millie being like the Bride in Kill Bill.
That or people making theories she freaks out cause she "cheated" which she wouldnt but fans be wild. but yeah idk why she wouldnt tell them, Blitz and Moxxie wouldbe nothing but supportive
Well, maybe that would put a stop to her job which she loves. They're gonna treat the situation as it is and maybe she doesn't know if she wants the baby. Hell isn't safe for a baby.
@@ohnogirl3856 Thats also a good point, plus if we remember how her mom treated her in season one. Her job also isnt safe with all her fighting. I just hope they handle it well whether she keeps it or not(hope she does)
@@aquadiamond5499 I honestly hope so too. It would give us more background on how demons are raised in a pretty awful place. Especially with Moxxie's dad not too far.
I don't really know what it feels like to find out you're pregnant but I would imagine that in hell and with all that is currently happening for Mils "in the background" I.E. not being paid in over a month and also having to deal with Blitz as a boss, but I would imagine she is scared of what could happen to the baby, like again do you know what it feels like to be pregnant? I don't but from what I know about it your hormones go out of whack and for someone currently employed as an assassin I wouldn't think that she'd really be thinking about how she'll be able to just stop being an assassin to support the baby. there is a bigger picture here but yeah I can also see the shoddy writing
Unpopular opinion: But this ruined the episode and show for me. I was really hoping Moxie and Millie would stay as a married couple without kids.
Most comedies go down the "accidental pregnancy" route and it annoys me to no end 😑
@@psychonautmaddy7409 predictable, and rubbish, my favouriiiiite
i don't remember comedies shows going through that route...but again memory is fragile
@@Sonic2024freedomera Big Bang theory, friends, so on...
@ yeah but those shows are live action shows and they don't have a fantastic or magical look...maybe star vs the forces of evil
Why does it annoy you?
Having a female writer call her female character’s emotions unreasonable because of her hormones just really frustrates me. Millie was already such an afterthought to Vivzie already and now she’s just more than an afterthought.
Its even worse when you realize viv is a grown woman in her mid 30s whos emotions dictate her every action because she refuses to ever use her non-existent brain.
@@deadspaceskull6905kinda rude but yea
@@deadspaceskull6905ok trump supporter
Vivzie is a great refrence on how not to write characters or plot or do anything at all
Maybe child plots aren't always bad, but often it's a sign the show is giving up. And in hb case, it probably is.
I don't think they'll actually go in this direction, but I wonder if the series would be willing to cover things like post-partum depression. We've already seen that the stress and pregnancy are affecting her mood, which is normal. But it would be horribly tragic to see sweet little Millie succumb to a mental illness that would make her act way out of character and have her grapple with not being in control of her own mind anymore. And with how her personality change would affect those around her, particularly Moxie. Some would be understanding, others would be judgemental. Maybe Stolas, with his history of depression, could help her through her condition. We've already seen him break down slightly without the help of his pills. And, as others have suggested, help take care of the baby since Millie, if she does develop depression, most likely not have the energy for it. And there's always abortion. I mean, they're in hell and kill dozens of people, including children. Having hang ups about terminating a fetus would seem like a weird hangup unless Millie is already emotionally invested in the baby.
I threw my phone when I saw that pregnancy test dude 💀 Millie is such a good character and personally one of, if not, my favorite character. This is literally going to ruin her UGHHHHHHHH
@@wiafrac I threw my phone and I wasn’t even watching it on my phone x3
Viv did say that hazbin if for the lesbian couple and helluva is for the fay couple story. Although, fans seem to qant ot the other way. (Huskerdust more popular than chaggie)
Because Chaggie is made out of Charlie (who loves her hotel more than Vaggie) and Hazbin Hotel's Millie.
Yh
Hazbin is for lesbian couples?- there's only one and it's so dry-
Yeah, I honestly agree, but viv confirmed and said it was so... idk
She said Helluva Boss was more boy oriented and Hazbin was more girl oriented, but honestly? I don't see it, apart from having a girl as the main character, Hazbin Hotel still gives the male characters more focus and development, and it's so obvious they'll capitalize on Huskerdust more than Chaggie, even RadioApple (hate this ship btw) gets some teasing in merchs and I'm very sure they'll make some fan service scene of it!
But even then, it's such a lame excuse, the show is "boy oriented" so the female characters get no development? What the heck is this mindset???
"Season Two RUINED Millie." Not like she had anything to be ruined in the first place since her only purpose was to please men in the plot tbh. Like she kills, for mainly men, she rescues men, and now she gives birth for a man.
Millie has no actual purpose in the story. Nothing was "ruined." Her story was ruined to begin with.
A more interesting thing they could have done could have been to have crimson make some sort of threat saying how moxies first child would have to go to him so Millie goes around trying to get rid of the child and crimson finds out and kidnaps Moxie and try’s to steal the child this is similar to your idea just trying to incorporate the pregnancy in there also love your videos.
It's annoying. It just gives. "See everyone? Shes pregnant so that means she's technically relevant now!"
I’ve heard someone say that especially with the situation with Octavia (and her possibly being forced into marriage like Stolas and Stella because she’s canonically 17 and ‘coming of age’) that the 3rd season might be particularly honed in on characters relationships with each other, specifically between parents and children so that’s a possible reason they decided to make her pregnant in the finale. As for reasons to want to hide it, Moxxie might not want children, they’re assassins and their job is extremely dangerous but Moxxie’s dad is also crazy and who knows what would happen if he found out he was going to be a grandfather
Honestly I truly hope Viv can turn this around and have it be Moxxie who becomes a stay at home dad. Like if she decides to keep it have her tell Moxxie she wants to continue her career she worked so hard for.
Moxxie and maybe Stolas can watch lil kiddo while Millie finally can do shit on her own without Moxxie being the only reason she even exists for once and still have them balance this weird wrench they threw into Millies "arc".
People be shitting their bricks again because a couple of pixels got pregnant😂
I do honestly don't know why Viv made that choice for Millie, it does feel like it was forced WAY to soon in the series, like why not wait till the end of season 3 or have it be a happy ending surprise at the very end? like a season four the series finale? If Millie is not telling Moxxie because she's secretly planning to have an abortion, that would actually be interesting. And call me dark for saying this, but I want to see what kind of conflict it would cause between her and Moxxie, because it's a huge change that can have an impact on their lives. For ANY couple I can imagine, especially if it wasn't planed.
Nothing was ruined, just because canon doesn't line up with your own fan theories (or fanfictions) doesn't automaticly mean it's bad.
@@matthewcranney6576 Thank you because that’s all I hear from this comment section.(and really sexist marks about Viv hating women because they don’t like how her female characters are written)
@@sailorstar3148 No problem. Constructive criticism is one thing but alot of people are just trolling or simply haters either due to sexisms or anti-LGBTQ+ attitudes.
How NOT to develop a Female character:
**Make her pregnant**
Its so tiring being a fan of the series. 😞
My BEST guest as to why Millie was keeping her pregnancy secret was because it really does get in the way of her line of work and we've seen in the past how much she values her work and her freedom. Being a mother means sacrificing a lot to your child, and I don't think Millie is certain if she can sacrifice what she loves to do or maybe her line of work is so violent and time-consuming it makes her genuinely doubt how good of a mother she may be? I don't know I'm throwing shit at a wall
Bro literally just forgot about GhostFu$&s.
3:40 Millie has a bunch of reasons brought up in canon to be upset about pregnancy; including having in-laws in the mob, being economically near the bottom despite being a two-income household, wanting to keep her career because it's something she loves and will become next to impossible once he's pregnant/has given birth, not expecting it to happen, etc etc etc.
It's not just going to be about how Blitz and Moxie will react, because like you said, she knows them like the back of her hand. She probably knows exactly how they'll react; they'll push her to keep it, which she doesn't seem to want right now. If anything, it's more presumptuous to think that the female character's only motive for being upset about a pregnancy is to do only with the men in her life.
I assume there's going to involve something regarding Crimson and wanting to take the baby for an heir since Moxxie defected. As for why Millie would keep it a secret, first off, she JUST found out. Second, their financial situation isn't the best. Third, they have some powerful enemies. Fourth, she's an assassin, being pregnant is going to affect that. Fifth, having a baby is life-changing, and she and Moxxie may not even have talked about it yet (they've only been married a year). With all that, needing some time to think is valid.
If all of that is the case, why didn’t she take steps to prevent the pregnancy? :0
@@BeanzyTime Who says she didn't? Accidents still happen, even with protection. Or maybe they were just careless/irresponsible, it happens all the time IRL. Regardless, I still think it's a plot point that will involve Crimson.
@ and if I believed vivzie would approach any of this stuff with the respect it deserves this wouldn’t be an issue 🫠
Surely when undertaking a massive step like marriage you'd discuss children beforehand?
They'll probably put the least amount of focus on Millie's pregnancy in Season 2. Like maybe they'll be one episode where she talks a bit and then halfway through the season boom... She gives birth. She'll have more focus than usual but not enough. It's so annoying.
I think maybe the whole "Millie is hiding that she's pregnant" is probably that they tried making it like... not that she is scared of what the others will think, it's because she herself doesn't want to be pregnant, which is in theory an interesting approach I personally don't often see in media, but poorly executed. Still, pretty much hate this because woah look, it's an excuse to make Millie even MORE of a background character, and now she'll become a little cardboard cut out that's just... there. Her personality will go from "Badass wife" to "Mom", and I think they'll call that "character development"
The scenes they try to give to Millie are so horrible that I'd literally prefer they just kept her as Moxxie's wife at this point
I mean I dont really get why so many ppl are interpreting Millie not telling anyone about her pregnancy to be stupid writing or whatever cuz anyone she tells would be supportive...but Im just sayin I got a different vibe from that scene cuz Ive been in that position before and its not a matter of thinking someone like your friends or husband would be upset its YOURSELF not knowing if youre ready for a baby or if it would be a bad time due to work or resources and havent decided what you should do thus dont tell anyone important because you dont want it to be their burden to bear or something of the like but you have to talk to SOMEONE so why not a trusted family member ....Im just saying its not as cut and dry a thing as ppl are making it out and I just feel its a close minded view on her choosing to keep it to herself if she even knew the whole time
Ngl, I hope they take a route where Millie tells him halfway through S3 and we get an episode that's just them mostly in a couples therapy room with another demon. This way we can see them talk about their truthfulness, their thoughts on important things and stuff said, and even get a ton of backstory and flash packs for the two. Maybe casual flash backs of the first days of IMP, Moxxies first thoughts if seeing Millie when she took Blitzø and Moxxies hit, ect. All of that stuff. Even getting a reason why she cut her hair would be huge character development 💀💀💀
OMFS! WHO THE LITERAL H*LL TOLD HER THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA!
@@MadSpiralOfficial_JB no one she fired all her writing staff except herself x3
@ yeah that tracks based on what I could find of her (mostly now deleted) online history she’s like a spoiled teenager her way or she throws a massive online tantrum .. and a questionable…individual..in general…glad I don’t work for her. 😒
Millie is the best character ever
I really want Millie to have a decent arc. Millie has the potential to be a really interesting character. Like in Ghostf*****s, for example, i really wanted millie to be cross or sad that everyone didn't treat her well enough. I really wanted it to take a toll on her. Blitz felt guikt, sure. But it's a payoff without anything building up. I would have loved to see millie at least a bit angry at her general treatment until now. (Another point to make is a womans fear abour being pregnant and everyone assuned she cheated was vile to hear as a woman, I felt like everyone was implying that a woman should be happy discovering pregnancy and it really disgusted me.) Then maybe the build up of feeling unappreciated could have made more of an impact on her pregnancy (but again, pregnancy can be a shock to everyone, and it can really make women/AFABS scared)
It's like they only cared about the gay couples, then the straight ones, which is, of course, fine, but they do it way too much, and it makes me so mad 😠 I wanted to know how millie and mox got together Without showing of the any characters
you really act like it's an easy thing for someone finding out they're pregnant to just say "yeah I don't want it" but there are a bunch of hormones going on, along with the fact that from the first person view of it, you are actively carrying a growing person inside you, unless you're psychotic but yeah. like she has reasons to want the baby for having a family, but she also has reasons to not want the baby, such as it opening up a vulnerability for their enemies to exploit, I.E. Striker, Andrealphus, likely most of the sinners they've killed (except for Loopty and Lipton) and the list would go on, while they definitely did gain a positive reputation among impkind in general because of the court room stunt I still see the higher classes being a large problem for them in the future
This doesn't take away from the fact that it was a horrible choice to give Millie the "pregnancy" plot.
@@JoseCido-s3s big true
Nah, it's such a sexist trope that any nuance you could give it just falls flat.
The humor is literally cusswords. Ehst did you expect lmaoooo
I'm going to be honest this has got to be THE worst decision I've ever seen a writer do for any character.
Finally I've seen people talk about this. Mil has always been a terribly written character, with the excuse of "well she's healthy and has no problems at all :)". So let's see, as a writter, what would you do? Make her have a conflict that contrasts with the other cast? Find some part of the backstory that could be explored? Some strife in the marriage? NOPE! Random pregnancy plot. Hell, you could even have her "privilege" of having a nice family be a plot.
Get ready to change her character from a nothingburguer to "I'm a badass mom and that's my personality". Me when I don't know how to write women
When is a good time to have a character be pregnant?
Vivzie really went "Let's give the female character with the least development/personality a pregnancy plot"
GURL THIS WON'T HELP MILLIE BUT MAKE HER WORSE 💀
Viv doesn't care she's a grown woman in her mid 30s that lives in fanfic land. She really should be in a straight jacket in a asylum.
Because she is trying to get rid of her by pushing her on the side.
@@Hirokison lord y’all are jumping to conclusions
Millie has her reasons and It will be explained in season 3 calm down bro
I just feel like Viv needs to listen to the fans of the show because they seem to know how to make a good story for Helluva Boss more than the actual creator. No offence of course but I believe it's true.
Viv has literally shown she doesnt care and blocks people who give valid criticism, she said she valued it before Hazbin came but look at that show and then look at Helluva Boss since Full Moon, you're putting faith in the wrong person.
Problem is she does listen, too much. There's a reason stolitz got more focus.
That’s the problem with Viv, she lets her fans control her show in the most fan-fic way possible but when it comes to the fans who want to support the show and give valid feedback, she doesn’t listen. The fans wanted more Stolas/Blitz this caused the show to derail from its original concept from the pilot/first few episodes and a lot of people are tired of it
Hard disagree
@@Melipants The stuff between Stolas and Blitz was Brandon‘s idea he’s the co-writer of the show.
Y’all r so dramatic bro one ep won’t ruin her entire character
@@AL3XE a whole season might 😳
@ that’s fair tho
At first I thought she was mad since in the last episode she stated that Blitz did not pay them in a month so I thought she was pissed because Blitz was putting off a mission because he's emotional but when the reveal happened it kinda felt like it came out of nowhere even though it was hinted at it just felt rushed (unless pulled another oh you must read text messages or things in the background bs which not everyone catches) but if this is what they are going for i just hope they come up with a good plot point
Anyone else picking up heavy mummy issues from Beanzy? Women can get pregnant and still be badass well rounded characters you know? This episode revolved around Stolas’ relationship with his daughter and he isn’t reduced to just a dad.
Also, just because Millie was experiencing mood swings doesn’t mean the things she said didn’t come from a genuine place. She is the rock of the group and has had to suppress a lot of her own demons. Maybe she actually is beginning to lose respect for Blitz’s commands, wants to prioritise finishing the job and questions Moxie’s reliability. We don’t know when she started to suspect she was pregnant. She clearly suspects it in the fight with Andrealphus as she chooses to use ranged weapons. If she suspected before the scene with the family she may be thinking about their financial situation and Moxie’s ability to provide and lashing out at reminders of these concerns.
This same episode Stolas has a crash out due to medication withdrawals. He comes to many revealing conclusions about his actions and priorities while trying to move a heavy desk. No video essayist says he’s just acting hysterical and doesn’t mean what he says.
You know what? I can think of one woman who was ruined after pregnancy…
..Your mother!
Edit: Don’t like the word RUINED associated with your own mother right? Stop stigmatising pregnancy. Clearly more well handled stories about pregnancy are needed in fiction.
I get and agree with your critique, but do you really think the last part was needed? It's just a video about someone not liking an episode, saying that he ruined his mother's life is f* up
@ Was an ironic joke. Couldn’t help myself. It’s a classic your mother joke. My point with the joke is it’s sexist to say a woman is ruined by pregnancy. If you don’t view your mother that way then why is it your instinct to view female characters that way? You are stigmatising pregnancy and motherhood by perpetuating that. Also, I don’t respect Beanzy as a content creator and view his output as parasitic and his critique as poor faith, so my punches won’t be held. I gave him a boost in the algorithm by commenting on his video so needed the karma back by being a bit of a jerk. I also realise writing a good faith critique is a waste of space on this platform and channel so had to cheapen it to reach the people actually on this page, even if I just piss them off a little.
@@hildegarde7962 it's not that she was ruined
It's just that her character will probably be reduced to mother and she won't get any development after that
@@hildegarde7962hey living being with lack of brain mass, at no time did he say that
He said that her character is extremely poorly developed, and that the fact that they gave her the pregnancy plot will only make it worse, which is true.
Millie is already a poorly developed and depthless character because of the writers, this plot will only reduce her to an undeveloped mother.
And no, I'm not saying that a woman has less value for being a mother, that should be obvious, but since you're one of "those fans" I'd better let you know.
So Millie displays complex emotions that relate to her pregnancy and you people complain and say that Vizpop "ruined her". I swear you people will find any excuse to complain about helluva boss and refuse to acknowledge the good parts that actually exist! Seriously just get over! You think the show sucks, fine. We get it! But please do not equate pregnancy to bad writing!!!! IF you all think you can do better just stfu and go write your own bloody cartoon or actually review a good cartoon. Yes as shocking as it is to believe they do exist they haven't gone extinct yet!
Honestly, I think Millie's pregnancy could be a chance to really have something done with her character in Season 3.
I mean, she was just the happy murder-machine made in wrath 100% carnage guarantee the entire time, and she had no real, big character developement for the entire time. Sure, she had great screen-time showing off her character, such as her being protective of her husband (like in "Spring Break" or "Exes and Oohs") or her low self-esteem (which is hinted towards both in "Unhappy Campers" and "Ghostf***ers"), but those were more character exploration than developement. We got an episode for each of the main crew where they got to grow and move on as a character, both in writing and as a person. Like, Stolas has his realization that him toying with Blitzo was a real sh*tty move, seen in "Ozzie's" or "Full Moon" for example, Blitzo himself finally appologized to Verossica and Fizzarolli, Loona has friends now (I know it sounds mean but if you think about it, she was introduced as being kinda anti-social in the beginning of the show, like, just as she stated in "Spring Broken", she had no friends, and now, she likes to hang around with Vortex AND seems to get along with Beel).
Millie will be written out eventually because Stolas is the main uwu character, watch it happen
I can see it.
He has more personality and potential than her anyway
@karmavenus2243yea and that’s only because the writers rarely ever try to flesh her character out. There’s like only 2 Millie episodes in comparison to damn nearly all of the episodes having to do with stolas in some capacity
@karmavenus2243 he doesn't, he is being "Babyfied" to make the plot suck even more ( the plot already sucked ) stoles is one of the reasons why the series spiraling down because they are "babying" him
@@TheShamer-1 Exactly. He can do no wrong despite being a screw up. Stella was made into a cardboard cutout so Stolas could be extra babied.
He also often mistreats Blitz such as calling him an "imp plaything" same as "Hot Asian lady". It's disgusting
I feel like I just got cursed.
@@MineDeniz-w1i spoopy
I hope her pregnancy gives her more character development with her having to ask for help. I'm honestly kinda tired of her personality being nothing but protecting those around her. She definitely puts up a strong woman persona that is stunting her growth, which I believe is why she feels so shallow. I think Millie being put in a vulnerable position is what she needs to grow, not the other way around.
I really hope they don't pull a Zootopia comic and have her try to get an abortion in secret. And if that's what she actually wants she tells him
You are doing what you are complaining about. Making Millie's prehbancy reactions about the men in het life . Women have their own internal life. Finding out you are pregnant is a daunting and possibly distressing time when even if it's wanted and you have a good partner. Her crying can have zero to do with moxxie and everything to do with an individual response to such a momentus impending change to her, her freedom, her body and herr life. Discussion of these feelings with Moxxie is not going to be possible right away (or Blitz) as their reaction will be joy and about themselves in relation to the news. Millie needs to be with her own reactions about her own development. It is not about hiding the news from the men in her life but adjusting to it before she shares it. Her sister is able to have a discussion as she keeps it about Millie not how she feels about the news.
@@beckawilk it’s really awkward when you realize that he’s doing the thing that he’s complaining about
I love these rants
1:00 yeah thats the point, she didnt attempted to a class for that, so ofc she is ignorant about it
Hey just found the channel, just wanted to say I can tell you with really hard griping about the details of a web cartoon, and to keep it up. 👌
@@YTslopEnjoyer thank you human :D
@BeanzyTime Bro responded within 3 mins
@@YTslopEnjoyer yus
This thing with Millie's pregnancy feels like Vivzie sat on the script and thought “ Oh shit, Millie exists too and we're on the season finale. Hm, how can she still be relevant? I got it! She gets pregnant and is upset about it! Oh I'm so creative!”
OK, my guess is that the creator of the show did not have Millie as a full-time personality character because probably because she was forced to have the character to be straight and she doesn’t care about the character so what she did she just have her as a side character, not a actual Main character. I blacked out before I say that. It’s confusing. Millie is not important. She just did some stuff with her husband and then she got pregnant. That’s basically about her. Yes she is a bad ass, but it’s not enough. We need her back stories. We need her personalities. We don’t want her to be pregnant yet.
“All Millie has done this season,” let’s elaborate.
She rescued Moxxie from Crimson’s sadistic and forced wedding and likely attempt to kill him.
She fought against the cherub’s to protect Blitzo and her job, but mostly Blitzo.
She helped rescue Stolas from Striker while Blitzo was busy.
She reassured Blitzo that she is his friend and helped him through a panic attack (ALL WHILE GETTING CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT MIGHT I ADD).
She got growth by fully exploring that she doesn’t need constant approval from Moxxie to be happy, though it is nice when he does support her from time to time.
Yup, she didn’t do a damn thing in this season, just some pretty big roles but nothing notable- yah how dare they show she has a life and had a past before IMP?
Also, DUDE if you seem to hate the work so much, WHY FOLLOW IT?!
And I’ll argue and tell you you’re wrong- story creation IS VERY HARD! It’s not hard for you because Helluva Boss already exists! Come up with something nobody has ever thought of before, create something entirely new with 0 frame of reference, and it’s a living nightmare! Though it does make sense an unoriginal and hateful piece of shit wouldn’t know what it’s like to be creative.
I am so baffled that I am the only one that saw her pregnancy coming since Episode two or three. And for me it didn't ruin her character so far. We don't know nothing yet and we will see what they make out of the situation.
You can’t really ruin a character if there wasn’t even that much character in the first place.
İm frustrated how they made Millie they act as if there is nothing more than to her other than being amazing friend , wife and emotional support , so to make her interesting they made her pregnant.
Peak writing honestly
@@Seth8754 millions of dollars went into this script I’m sure