"Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." -C.S. Lewis
Which part of Twitter though? The ones that want anime to change/reform or the rest of us who wants it left be so we can have one thing that not ruined?
What I hate the most about the preception of cartoons in the west is the fact that for a cartoon to be labeled as "for adults" it can't just have some violence, some swearing, and one or two sexy scenes, it needs to be raunchy, graphic, or vulgar for almost every second of its run time. It feels like executives are afraid that if they're even a single scene in the animation that is appropriate for all ages some mom is going to assume the whole thing is like that and buy it for their children.
Well most of us ARE from the generation of parents that bought us GTA because we asked. Some parents are not smart when it comes to the media so they can get caught up
The ultimate irony, too, is that so many so-called "adult" cartoons are some of the most juvenile shows in existence, with the humor--because these shows *always* have to be comedies, no drama or emotionally impactful scenes here, folks--consisting of bodily functions, gross-outs, crude sex jokes, shock-for-the-sake-of-shock humor, or excessive swearing. And while I have no objection to any of this stuff on a moral level or anything because it *can* be done well, so often these cartoons just comes off as lazy and childish when they're more concerned about being offensive rather than being funny or clever, telling a decent story, or getting me to care about the characters. It *is* getting better, I think, with shows like Bo-jack tackling much more mature subject matter, and I have some high hopes for Vivziepop's Helluva Boss which, so far, has a lot of that edgier humor but also looks like it's not going to shy away from genuinely emotional character moments, but it seems like for every honestly good adult cartoon we get they pump out ten more awful Family Guy knockoffs.
The funny thing is that even something that's explicitly for adults could still be viewed by children either because of rebellious behavior or dumb parents. "I can't believe that a film called SAUSAGE PARTY is inappropriate for kids!"
Which ironic since a lot of their "live-action" is full of so much CGI at times you might as well call it an animated movie along the lines "Space Jam, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, and Cool World." Yet they WILL not accept it like with The Lion King remake WAS animated just in 3D
@@darkfyraproductions7958 Wait what? Quebecers, from a big city close to the USA and in a country where a good part speaks primarily English, don't all understand passable English? How is not a chunk of their everyday life in English?
There's a CS Lewis quote that boils down to something like 'worrying about appearing childish is the mark of immaturity', and I feel like that's fitting here.
Here's the full quote: “Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”
i always get this respond: "isn't animation for kids?" and when i show them something like akira or beastars, they just say something like "but that is for sick people" and i just think "wel . . . you liked saw and matrix . . . is this worst just because it is animated?" read this and tell me if you have been in the same situation plz Edit: holly shit, thaks for sharing your experiences!!
I actually don't even try cus of the "social stigma", unless I know the person is open enough. Its sad how hard it is for some ppl to try out new stuff
I've had a similar argument with video games and violence. It is very easy for non-gaming people to objectify what video games are, but even when you point them towards games likes of Animal Crossing with 0 violence, they will turn the "nice and fuzzy" aestethic into a way to escape or build up their real life anger. And when you tell older people that books can contain violence, rape, horror and other not pleasing stuff, they say that those are "just a percent" and "it's not that bad". My point is that as long as one remains ignorant, they will not accept that a medium is healthy, for their age or good in any form. I do not enjoy reading walls of texts for a prolonged periods of time a proper book would provide, but that doesn't mean I can downgrade what books are and that I can say there aren't some books that everyone that is capable of reading should read.
My go-to is usually Game of Thrones (back before the final season and when people still talked about it). You can't @me about anime but have no problem with the amount of blood, guts and nudity that gets shown in the most popular show at the time.
DIsmissing the silly comedy of Avatar is a great disservice to it. The conflict between the comedy and silliness is not just Aang's conflict, but also part of Zuko's conflict but seen from the other side,. Zuko begins the series trying to be a serious, powerful soldier, that he believes is what he should be like, but during all that his uncle is trying to remind of enjoying life, including it's silly stuff. Which again brings that conflict to the forefront as Iroh perception of the world comes after confronting immense loss.
@Elio You have to remember they are in fact children. Children dealing with serious issues such as war/family hardships and the like. Early on Katara said: "I haven't done this since I was a kid!" Talking about riding the penguin. And Aang replies with: "You still are a kid" Is a great way to show us, how much time had changed between Aang's time, and Katara's time, because of the war that is going on. It's good to enjoy the silly stuff, as well as serious stuff.
I also think that the silly comedy is enjoyable to everyone. Its not things like fart jokes, its good light hearted comedy that will give you a good laugh
I mean to be fair the main cast are children. I fully expect lighthearted and silly jokes to be rampant because for the most part, that’s how kids tend to make jokes. I don’t expect Dave Chappell level humor from a 14 year old
So way back in the late 90s, I remember when Princess Mononoke got a limited theatrical release here in the U.S. My friends and I scoured to find a theater that was playing it, and when we went on opening night there were only 4 other people for the first show. Half of them walked out the moment they saw it was an animated film. About a year later when it was out on VHS I happened to work at a video rental store. A lady saying she was an art teacher at the local high school asked for a recommendation for something to show her class to kill time on the day before winter break started. I recommended Princess Mononoke and she says, "They're high schoolers, they don't watch a cartoon." Not sure which of those stories makes me more upset.
I have a story that is somewhat similar. I went to cinema alone for the opening of Isle of dogs in Hungary. It wasn't dubbed so, I figured there won't be that many families this time, wich is why I usually choose an odd time to go to animation watching (It's not rare that people bring children, who can't focus their attention on a whole movie), what I wasn't suspecting to have the whole theatre room for myself. The theatre didn't even played their usual commercials. It was great.
Hearing these stories makes me really appreciate my middle school art teacher who showed us Your Name and Tale of Princess Kaguya in a similar situation. But it was a bit of a special case anyway because 1) she didn't really care that much about the opinions of her students and 2) anime films have always been mostly seen as an "art film" thing in my country.
one of my biggest pet peeves in animation, is adult cartoons that try really hard to prove that they are for adults. There are astronomically few western cartoons, aimed at adults, that arent littered with sex and gore or random swear words that dont need to be there. Its so annoying and feels like its closer to what a middle schooler thinks is "mature" to what actually is. I wish more cartoons could just embrace complex adult stories without needing to prove that "its ok! we swear its for adults too, so you can watch it! look they say 'fuck' and this guys guts are hanging out!!! cmon"
I agree completely with this. This issue is really prevalent with seinen anime/manga as well. I remember starting to read a fantasy seinen anime where in the first chapter alone, the villains where shown raping girls in very explicit detail and it just got worse from there on out. The actual story was interesting, but with every bad guy it was like "Look how much they rape and kill people. Aren't they such mature villains for adults to appreciate and enjoy reading." Plenty of others are like that as well unfortunately.
Yes and also the art style is soo ugly!! I am so glad Vivziepop and her crew are currently making adult animation on youtube with a good balance of stuff with beautiful art.
swer I couldn't agree more. I feel like this is the sole reason why Anime is so popular in the west. It's the best source for adult animation that isn't overly sexual or graphic or vulgar (most of the time) just for the sake of being so. The best adult animes are adult because of their story, world, and characters. Western adult animation is such a joke because of this reason.
Tbh, I find it low key disrespectful to the people who wrote, directed, storyboarded, animated, etc. When you dismiss an animation just because it’s animated, whether it’s targeted to kids or adults. I love animation, and WANT to work in the industry, but I always get people asking, «why animation? Isnt live action better? » No. First off, Animation is a style. A medium, not a genre. You can make anything out of an animation, and that includes realistic elements. Second, you’re a hypocrite if you say animation « isn’t real » when you watch a live action film with tons of cgi and special effects. Anything in film is fake. Can be realistic, but not real. Animation may be 2D or stylized 3D, but they can have mature themes and relatable characters. And kids animation, in a way, usually has more heart put into the animation itself. Compare the epic fights in the owl house or the badass battle scenes in mlp to, say, the Simpson’s or bojack. There’s so much effort put in the animation ALONE. And you can tell the writers cared about what they’re writing. That isn’t to say the writers and animators for adult shows DONT care about their work (bojack is especially phenomenal for an adult cartoon), but if you compare the animation itself, there is a BIG difference in quality. There are SO MANY THINGS you can do with animation, but it is also very time consuming and difficult to learn. Sure, live action with realistic cgi is hard too, but that doesn’t make animation any less valuable. And to say that you refuse to even acknowledge a film or show that’s animated, whether it’s a cartoon or anime, is kinda disrespectful to the people who worked so hard on it. Sorry, this is just some of the pent up salt I have to get out.
@@dasuberkaiser6 it’s not that it doesn’t happen, but for the most part people usually don’t dismiss the cgi and special effects in live action films. Think marvel movies. Not every film may be good story and directing wise but people usually don’t complain about the cgi quality. Some may complain that there’s too much cgi, but they can’t deny that it’s passable and realistic (for the most part). When it comes to animation however, people are just unwilling to watch simply BECAUSE it’s animated. You don’t really get that with live action. By those people’s logic, real people on stage = “real” as opposed to animation.
@@jentoons5732 this is your feeling on the matter but i think it is incorrect, me and many others despise over handed cgi; you can find a lot of people that would take lets say 1980's alien puppetry effects over most cgi today given the choice. I personally can't stand the animation style of one piece and i wish to god i could move past it and just enjoy the anime, but that is true with some cgi heavy movies as well. I think the general public views anime as not for them more so because of the way they view us that enjoy it and less about it being animation, if it was simply due to the fact its animated Simpsons/family guy/Rick and Morty/southpark wouldn't be so popular.
@@zeusdarkgod7727 the reason why cartoons like Rick and morty are popular is because they have good writing and comedy. People, for the most part, don’t care about the animation. AND it was clearly marketed towards adults. If it was for kids or the whole family then people would dismiss it, which I think is ridiculous. I get what you’re saying, but you have to keep in mind about the GENERAL, general public. People just don’t care about the animation, and would even say things like “wHy Am I gEtTiNg EmOtIoNal AbOuT a CaRtOoN???” When animation has the equal capability to be emotional/well-written. Plus, if people DID care, they wouldn’t ask me questions like “isn’t live action better?”
"adult" and "kids" show labels are the dumbest things ever. Watching a show doesn't make you immature or more violent prematurely, it's a show. And this goes for anything too. You're 26 and binge watch Barney, yet you do your taxes on time and respect others wtf should I complain you watch Barney? You're a horde of young kids who just have fun playing GTA, what's wrong with that?
Well I mean disney is still bringing out great stuff like Owl house Amphibia Gravity falls Zootopia Star vs the forces of evil Moana Raya and the last dragon Ducktales Big city greens
As owen dennis said once on twitter, the lack of young adult animation for ages 12-18 has turned many teens towards anime as an alternative because the medium actually has stories for their demographic.
I've always found it so strange that people can simultaneously act like animation is for children while watching movies that at this point are *at least* 30% CGI, most of the time even more.
I mean, it's easy to understand. Think about games. Even though 3D games are 100% CGI, the idea of being realistic, and having violence and such things would make other people think it's not for children. While Nintendo Games are for children, in these people minds. People would argue that the thing is about "stylized animation" , you know.
@@TheMoonestOne I'd also argue that... Well I think this is definitely an East Vs West thing, as cliche as that sounds, but... For example: in the west, when people think of animation (other than anime) their first thought is Disney (Heck, as MB even said in the video, when people think of emotional moments in film, they'll likely pull up a Disney movie for their example). And then as animation changed over time, most animation studios followed that same Disney model of making all-ages/childrens' media. And though I don't 100% agree with the "Puritanical Americans in the 50's" insult specifically (mostly because the people making policy are those puritans from the 50's, would take offense, and be like "young people don't know what's good for them, back in my day we didn't have all this porno and people acted right"), it also does show that divide more, that the West puts their ideas into age rating boxes based on preconceived notions of what is and isn't okay for young people compared to the more relaxed views of the east on such things) And then there's Anime Specifically and the animation age ghetto... Do I even need to bring up 4kids? Like... Basically, every anime that came to America was aged down. Teen Shonen anime getting turned to YA fare, and even straight-up adult series had attempts at turning them down to be closer to kid-friendly (Lingerie Fighter Papillon Rose for example was an adult parody of Sailor Moon, and even the creator basically disowned the adaptation because it removed most of those adult/lewd aspects) So it's not exactly like anime "Saved" animation from the age ghetto because for a long time it had to deal with the same crap. Meanwhile, I can't speak for western experiences, but the more "mature" stories being told by animation have been a thing for basically forever.
The mindset that “aesthetic of maturity equals maturity” really is something we all learn to exorcise, myself included. Pretty much all of my favorite properties and the ones I find most interesting to talk about are aimed at young children: Ojamajo Doremi, Digimon Tamers, Sofia the First and Elena of Avalor, and it took me until very recently to admit that to myself. I find them fascinating precisely because of how they can play around with the demographic-based conventions that they’re meant to tick off while still telling well-structured stories with something to say for audiences of all ages. One trait I find in common with all of these shows and shows like Avatar: TLA and Rise of the TMNT is that these shows are so clearly in love with their characters and the world that they’ve created, and that I think should be the hallmark of all great storytelling. It’s what I think also distinguishes animation as a medium because every element is cut from whole cloth, and operates on such a precise execution of the creators’ imagination. It’s something that should be recognized no matter the subject matter, genre or demographic.
Holy sh*t balls, Ojamajo Doremi (or Magical Doremi in the dubbed/4Kids version) was my sh*t as a preteen, right next to Hamtaro, Sailor Moon, Digimon, etc. 😁💕
Yup, it's an adolescent tendency we all have to grow out of as we mature into adulthood. The fact many over 45 still haven't is a symptom of a really big underlying problem in our society, imo.
To kinda add to some of this. In live action you might find it difficult to see the actor as the character they are playing because you’re mind could see them as a different character that they played. With animation it’s less likely to see a character as another character because most the time they have a mostly different look form most other characters. Sometimes they can look similar to other characters in other shows and movies but I think it’s less likely to realize that since ppl don’t seem to watch animated shows and movies as much. The characters aren’t as recognizable as the actors in live action
In my opinion anyone who says "animation is just for kids" isn't worth talking to. If they want to miss out on great adult shows like Beastars, Ghost in Shell, and Hinamatsuri, that's their problem. Furthermore, if they want to miss out on great kid shows like Steven Universe and GeGeGe no Kitarō (both of which can get very mature in their themes and storytelling), that's also their problem. We like what we like, and anyone who judges us for what we like isn't worth our time.
I used to think like that, but now I choose my battles. Some people can be co convinced to try it, especially if I offer to watch a few with them at the start. More often than not they end up binge watching the series when I leave! Animation has some of the best and most powerful stories right now. Live action stories are...lackluster since there are fewer of them in general and most of the ones that come out are blatant cash grabs.
I've found tons of people in other places that will keep coming at me for idiotic reasons on why they mistakenly believe that animation is for kids, and no matter how many times I say: "NO, THAT'S WRONG!" and prove evidence, they keep responding with: "STUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPID!"
I’m just saying, people can change. Maybe some can learn that animation is more versatile than they think, should they be willing. You do bring up some good points, but I just want for you to know that sometimes, reality isn’t as rigid as one thinks.
A relevant observation I've had with the world is this bizarre, skewed sense of priority, that adults don't have fun, adults work, and that some hobbies are acceptable for adults, and others aren't, but regardless of what hobbies you have if you choose to prioritize your hobbies and free time over your job then there is something wrong with you. As far as I am concerned so long as you are meeting your needs then what you do with the rest of your time is up to you, and you should focus on doing what makes you happy, rather than filling your wallet. I work 30-40 hours a week and all my bills get paid on time or sooner while leaving enough left to save up for things I want, so why would I ever choose to work 60-80 hours a week the way many of my coworkers do? Granted a large part of why I'm able to do that has more to do with luck and circumstance and there are loads of people out there who need to work twice as much to be in as comfortable a financial situation, but when I get funny looks or occasionally outright punished for choosing to live a happy, comfortable life, and scheduling my days off around games I play instead of just working all the damn time it is truly baffling to me. Money is a means to an end, not an end itself, and at some point the world forgot this fact, we still *have* a barter system, it's just we use currency as a placeholder to streamline the process. At the end of the day if you aren't allowing yourself to just enjoy yourself you aren't really living, just surviving. If you aren't having fun, no matter what you are doing, you are doing it wrong, and if you can't find a way to make it fun, do something else, because if you aren't enjoying your life then what's the point of living in the first place? That tangent was a bit longer than I expected, but to bring it back to the topic of discussion here, people need to get over themselves and let themselves have fun, having fun isn't childish, there is nothing that says an adult is only able to enjoy "adult" things (whatever that even means) and if you enjoy "childish" things you must be a child except people's own egos and stupidity. If humanity would just get it's collective head out of it's collective ass, maybe they'd see all the joy, both big and small, that exists in this wonderous, magical world we live in.
Unfortunately, unless if the person you are speaking to naturally has an open personality, which isn’t many people... trying to change someone’s opinion on something will result in failure. Humans are very ignorant creatures. Once they find something that works for them and once they get used to that something, humans will usually do anything to stand by that something. If a product of entertainment that is different from the product you currently enjoy shows up and it gives you a bad first impression, you are most likely never going to want to try it out. That bad impression can come from many things. The opinion of the masses, the person not being used to the new product and refusing to get used to it, etc. Unless if something very impactful happens, whether or not it happens immediately or over time, a person’s opinion will *never* change. Words are quieter than actions. Tell someone to do something without force and they won’t do it. And, obviously, hobbies are not born from being held at gunpoint and being told to do something. You cannot force somebody to like something, and it is nearly impossible to get anybody to understand something that they don’t understand. But despite that, it doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t try to get other people to understand something that you appreciate. Not all people are unwilling to try new things. Start with some potential good friends of yours who are not into animation and introduce them to animation without over explaining everything. Let them enjoy what you enjoy on their own merits. If at first they don’t see the appeal, let them try it out more. Not everybody can get used to or understanding something so quickly. If they end up liking it, they could potentially influence other people by telling them about their new (and healthy) hobby. Not many good things come quickly.
@@momsaccount4033 Not sure why this is in response to my comment specifically, rather than directly to the video, but yeah, I gave up trying to get people to understand or enjoy my hobbies a long time ago, I mostly want people to realize that it's okay, and even a better way of life, to enjoy things, but somehow fun became for kids only or something and that just saddens me every time I encounter people who can't seem to comprehend that they can just like things and do the things they like, y'know? I don't even care if they like the same things I do, I just want everybody to have a good time, but so few people do it seems.
I've found that when people get older we are indoctrinated into believing that we absolutely HAVE to leave childshish things behind. And unfortunately the stigma behind animation makes it one if the first things that become a big no no as adults. As someone who watches 90% animated content. You can pry animation from my cold, dead, wrinkled hands.
Ahh, found the perfect comment that goes well with my thoughts. So, what sets adults and kids apart is that adults are just better actors, despite never growing up. And since we're all children inside we can legitimately enjoy things that's made for kids
Bless you for saying exactly my thoughts on this subject! I've always said to my mom that when I die and hopefully cremated that my plushies/stuffed animals will be cremated along with me to go with me into the afterlife, lol. 😂
I've always liked CS Lewis' take on this topic myself: Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.
@@chiblast100x I was coming hear to quote that same essay, glad to find another fan! I also really liked a couple of his other points; that to stop liking everything you liked as a child is change and not actual growth, and that as an adult with because he brought more knowledge and experience in when he read fairy tales he got more out of them.
I love the medium of animation. I did not cry for about 15 years. In that time I saw The Note Book, Where the Red Fern Grows, and Titanic. They all failed to make me cry. (So did Iron Giant and Bambi but that beside the point). What did get me to cry for the first time was a MLP Fan animation that showed the emotional battle between the Princesses of Sun and Moon, they are sisters. One fights out of jealousy and rage, the other fight to protect there nation and feels that what her sister has become is her fault. The animation is called Lullaby for a Princess.
I will change this trend with my animated series, Creations, a hard driving story telling r rated show showing the humanity of our times. This is what I'm going to do when I graduate from college.
@@mr_indie_fan I guess I wasn't clear enough. I'm talking about the hate for the premise of a live action adaptation. I get why people are hesitant about them but I don't get hating on it conceptually
When I was a kid, I was always a little frustrated that adults looked at cartoons as childish and too silly to ever consider changing the channel to CN or Nickelodeon. Or if they were ever around any of me or my friends watching and caught a deep moment, or a more “mature” joke the reaction was always “holy crap, they put THIS into a kids show!?” Now that I am an adult and all of my friends are too, 80 percent of them wouldn’t consider watching a cartoon that isn’t something raunchy aimed at an adult audience, and when I know deep down they would absolutely love a lot of modern cartoons if they put their preconceived notions aside for just a minute. It’s just disappointing.
Note for myself: America has the wrong conception of what it means to be “mature.” Their baseline is merely graphic scenes or vulgar language, the level of (directly) disturbing content. Japan holds a more practical meaning: “mature” is primarily defined as the complexity, nuance, or difficulty of the story and understanding it. Lesser consideration is given to graphic content, which is why a bloody horrifying story like AoT can be presented to young teens, while something like March Comes in Like a Lion is directed towards older audiences for its deep presentation of depression, anxiety and self-hate despite being family-friendly content, with many silly scenes included.
I think one of the best (Or worst, depending on who you ask) examples of what you’re talking about in regards to American standards of maturity is DC’s Titans.
Eh... I kinda disagree with this. Pretty much 3 out of 5 times I try reading a seinen manga, it usually is saturated with extreme levels of gore, vulgarity, and sex (usually someone being raped in fan-servicey way). There are definitely some amazing "mature" Japanese anime/manga that don't rely on that, but there are plenty that do.
Not sure if using Japan as if it stands out regarding mature media is very correct. I think most countries judge their media by the same traits, but the overall audience and people absolutely acknowledge what actually makes the content they consume mature or not. AoT and 3Gatsu are both geared towards teenagers.
Klaus punched me in the heart in the way that no film, animated or otherwise, had in a long time. Without wishing to spoil much, when a certain character overcomes a language barrier and her gift is finally delivered, the scene that follows had me so choked up I was struggling to breathe.
16:12 never forget that they made a literal Batman animated series that had more serious tones than the Batman live action films that came out around that time
@Tin Watchman one doesn't even need to go that far. the LEGO Batman movie gave us one of the most complete versions of Batman despite being one of the most immature and bizare batmen outthere outside of comics
I think the real stigma we need to get over as a society is that things that usually cater to children are necessarily or even usually bad. Good media is good fucking media, whatever their medium of conveyance. End of discussion.
I have a hard time believing animation will ever be seen as 'legitimate adult entertainment' or whatever. At least, not for a long time. Where my dad is probably never gonna see this shit, as newer generations grow, perhaps animation will be more widely accepted by general audiences. Or at least, I fucking hope so. I cannot take another live action announcement of one of my favorite shows. One Piece is probably my favorite manga and I am SUPER AFRAID of a live action adaptation. Especially since my dad knows I love One Piece and he will probably try watching it. Seeing as these things have like a 30% success rate, I am just... ready for this trend to die. Please. I don't want to have more awkward conversations with my family.
but that is the thing, my mom cant watch anime, she doesn't get Japanese gags, and doesn't enjoy the silly part, but she loves fantasy worlds (she eats up Game of Thrones, The Mandalorian, even Umbrella Academy) and she is looking forward to the OP live action so we can "share it" since she tried watching the anime but couldn't get past buggy. I do hope OP live actions is a success so we can share such good story with our "normies" friends and family
I agree, but Im also mildly hopeful for the live action One Piece since it seems to be being made by people who really care about one piece and also because this will finally be a format I can recommend to people without it being in 1000 parts. I think it could if done right be insanely good, so im hoping for the best
This video deadass made me sob. I’m an 18 yo who plans to study animation and it’s honestly so fucking nice to hear someone talk about the profession I want to pursue as a genuine art form other than just ‘kid stuff’. Thanks dude.
A few days back me and my dad watched quite a few films together over thanksgiving break. He was a pretty big fan of Zack Snyder's "Watchmen" so we both decided to watch it together. That two and a half hour long slog was one of the worst things I've seen in awhile, and I was really shocked when my dad agreed with me on that. The night after we both agreed to watch "Howl's moving castle", and it was one of the best experiences I've had watching a movie with him. There's something so magical about what good art can do to you.
Neither of my parents like anime, but I've tried showing them various shows that I thought they would like. I gave up after they sat through A Silent Voice with me (in English I should add), when they said the story was good but they just couldn't get into it because it wasn't live action. If that movie can't do it, then nothing can. For some people it really is just the medium they dislike, and it can take flexibility to find things you both enjoy. They've showed me tons of great films, for example.
Have you heard that they're touching yu yu hakusho?! The reason why it worked is because of the exaggeration that animation gives it and it's all the same medium...plus the wigs don't look like wigs.
@@nekonomicon2983 Unfortunately yes. I've seen all the announcements for it and I'm crying in horror for it. How dare they touch my favourite demon pair!!!
I still remember when I was 14 or so and I wanted to see The Lego Movie 2: The Second Part in theaters. My mom immediately told me "You should see it with your brother!". I went to him (who is older than me by a year and a half) and I was so worried he'd think to himself that I'm so childish, but I invited him anyway. The whole week I was extremely worried of what he'd think of me. The day of the movie night comes and we go and watch it together. Lo and behold, that's what the movie is about. Worrying about being grown up is in and of itself a very childish thing. And taste doesn't define how adult you are either. So even if my brother ended up only enjoying the movie moderately, that shouldn't stop me from enjoying it thoroughly. And we both ended up buying new lego sets afterwards, both of which still hang around in our rooms.
That's what makes the Lego Movies good: they understand why people like building with them and show it doesn't matter how old you are to want to do it, rather than just being a glorified 90-minute toy commercial.
Just scroll down the comments & see how well thought and spoken everyone is from the community they created & compelling stories they lived and grown into with more existential & relevant themes & concepts of life provoqued & discussed better then I've ever seen in a live action movie
I absolutely love animation, even to the point where any time I see a fluid motion, I am completely shocked. I remember being in awe when I first saw what Street Fighter 3 looked like for the first time last year. I’m taking an animation class in my school and I love it. Though it may be frustrating with this project I’m doing, the animations are looking good even if they are basic
I recently watched Gravity Falls for the first time ever. I think that show is another excellent example of the potential that animation has- lovable characters, impossible weirdness, and plenty of personality that could never be truly shown in live action.
Oh man, this is the sort of thing I’m always talking about when it comes to animation. So many of the live action remakes are just spitting in the face of the originals because instead of embracing what makes those beautiful and unique and enchanting, they focus just on making things look “real”. It’s like they don’t trust their audience to have imagination, or are tricking them into thinking more detail = higher quality when it doesn’t! God I’m so glad I was never afraid to love animation and “children’s cartoons” because there is so much joy and love found in them. And it finally seems like the western animation world is catching up with the idea that children can handle complex narratives and long term plots. We’re getting more and more shows that follow in ATLAs footsteps, tackling heavy topics and long running plot threads with the respect their audience deserves.
@@TheEnigmaticBM39 yeah absolutely. I think those shows came on later than Teen Titans and ATLA, so I didn’t see them as often, (so ATLA and TT were much more formative for me) but animation is such a good medium and it’s a crying shame that there’s this push away from it in order to make things more “adult”
Agreed! I feel like I'd take less offense if they simply wouldn't use the same name or just added on a subtitle to divorce the remake from the source material. I can't get mad at something like that Teen Titans GO show 'cause I know they're trying to do something different with it/ it's obvious. Remakes can't help but be compared to the originals, and remakes can only be justified if they improve apon the original or ADD something new. Rubs people the wrong way when the "new and improved" whatever is dumbed down and stripped of the things that made it unique.
It's also something you find in other sorts of adaptions too. Lindsy Ellis touches on it in her video Why Is Cats? The director for both the horror that is 2019s Cats and Les Miserable focused more on bridging the gap to make it grittier and real, when the heart and charm of both wasnt in that, they were musicals that had quirks and charm in the music and in the culture of broadway or in book form. They rose up from their origins to begin with because the charm was adapted well and when it was added to it maintained the core of what made it charming to its audience originally. You can have adaptions that are more akin to "inspirations" the way many fairytales are, but you have to make clear the "twist" is not the medium its in, but in the story telling end what elements of the story it chooses to examine. Anyways to bring it back, its annoying when something like anime is judged by its adaption rather than it's original medium, especially when the adaption is widely considered insultingly bad by the fans of the original. You can like the adaption, but just realize it's not a reflection positively or negatively on the original.
I am more cynical and believe they make it "real" because it's cheaper. Fantastic outfits every episode? Nah, just put them in jeans and say it's More Relatable
What is Everybody's favorite episode from Avatar: The Last Airbender? I pick the Tales from Ba Sing Se from Book 2. It's a point in the season where the main squad has the chance to rest/reflect on their adventure so far. The separate interaction among the characters give the audience time to see what they do when the plot is put on pause for a little while.
It's so hard to pick one because there are so many great episodes, but if i had to pick one i'd probably say Zuko Alone, I love the backstory on Zuko and seeing how messed up his childhood was.
That episode is well done. It feels like the opening episode to a show about a protagonist with a messed up background, trying to change his possible future from going down a dark path set up from previous events.
It always makes me so sad when my parents dismiss anything animated as "kiddy garbage" everytime I reccomend something to them or they walk in on me watching anything animated and tell me to "change it to something good" or "oh, you're just watching crap" or "can we watch a real show please?" As they turn on big bang theory reruns for the millionth time. It honestly breaks my heart everytime and I hope when I'm a parent I can sit and watch animated shows that I enjoy and also put aside any ego or preconceived notions to watch newer shows my kids enjoy. I never want to be the parent that shames their kids for enjoying something.
Kinda different, but I’ve been getting into musicals during the lockdown and I feel that arguments against animation are similar to the ones against musicals. Not in the intended audience (though there’s something of an overlap), but in the tone; people dismiss musicals as silly and cheesy. Which 1) there are some that aren’t (ever seen Cabaret or Sweeney Todd?) and 2) even the ones that are silly and cheesy have enjoyable music and may even hit with some feels. Dismissing entire art forms because of stereotypes robs you of the opportunity to enjoy some brilliant works.
The timing of this video is amazing. I was literally having a huge discussion with my parents about how Star Wars: The Clone Wars is entertaining even for adults after my dad said that this was a kid’s show. I’m going to show them this video.
I remember when clone wars the film came out and my dad actually wanted to see it because he was a star wars fan in fact we watched all of them. I even brought him to see the newer ones and he really liked the film however he didn't watch the series lol
While other people like to give dark things, like Berserk, Attack on Titan, and Akira, as examples for how animation isn't just for kids, or if they want to steer away from gory stuff they'll go for things like Avatar that are for everyone, not just kids, I prefer to give things like A Place Further Than the Universe as an example. There's absolutely nothing in that show that kids couldn't watch, but what kid is compelled by the fear of stagnation, of living your life stuck in the boring grind of day-to-day life, of being unable to put yourself out there and enjoy things? A Place Further Than the Universe shows that stories don't need to be adult to be mature, while encouraging people to break out of their adult shells and live life to its fullest. Or in other words, all the things people who you'd be having this talk with need most.
If There wasn't such heavy (and sometimes questionable) fanservice, I would 10/10 times recommend no game no life because of how interesting the concept is and how the series handles its conflicts. It surprisingly has a good message of weakness not being one's deciding factors in life.
People can't accept that cute looking, bright things can be used as means of maturity. This is especially so in girly stuff. You get brushed aside if you're too childish/girly, vanilla, average. That's why people try to rebel by being grim, dark, shocking and edgy (maybe except Japan, who had a cute kind of rebellion, the "kawaii" culture); We don't want to be seen as weak or average so we attempt to strengthen ourselves by being as "different" as possible. This then affects the media we consume which is then reflected in the movies that's put out and eaten up. Aside from also liking horror, why else do we darkify Spongebob with "dark theories", make pokemon creepypastas and other "this terrible, tragic, scary thing happened to this one kid show"? The reality is, we don't need to get rid of everything childish to grow up. *"It is normal, good and healthy-even, for adults to enjoy things made for kids."* (13:18)
I think I'm so much happier after finding Korone because she is enjoying herself so much with the stuff she plays and watches. She's silly and get excited and while being adorable as heck she is just enjoying herself. I think I kind of forgot to just enjoy myself consuming the content I like instead of being hyper critical of everything.
"I've come to realize, what appealed to me about Snyder's movies and a lot of the stuff I was into in my late teens and early 20s was the AESTHETIC of maturity: the violence, the swearing, the horny; things that signified the media that it was "not for children" which freed me to watch the action figures bang together without worrying about how I would look to my peers." This hits the point hard. I feel most of society that dismisses anime is way too focused on this AESTHETIC, and throws animation along in with it, unless it blatantly flaunts other parts of this "adult" aesthetic.
One of my biggest fears about getting older is the day where I will lose interest in the things I love today. Stuff like Games, Anime, Manga etc. but most importantly, losing my fantasies and imaginations. I do pity those who can't enjoy these ''childish'' things and don't have any (childhood) fantasy/imagination, or are too afraid to show them to others. I think any form of escapism is a really important thing in today's mess of a society.
I'll never forget that one clip of that guy from Collider who said Into the Spiderverse would have been vastly improved if it were in live action. I wonder if he watched it with his eyes closed...
@@HushSkunk Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man was absolutely a love letter to the 60s Spider-Man comics. It can definitely be done in live-action, it’s just that some, like Spider-Verse, work better in animation.
I've been trying to explain this to my mother. She never gives animation a fair chance unless it's Christmas movies, Pixar, Dreamworks, or Disney. My brother and I got her to sit through ALTA, but she kept calling it a kiddie show and dumb except for the slapstick bits. Of course she slept or played games on her tablet 75% of the time. So of course she missed the nuance and dark parts and how great it got over time. She had an abusive stepparent, so how did she not see what was going on with Zuko's family dynamic? Or haha Azula's crazy. People have professionally diagnosed her mental health. I tried anime next. It was either too kiddie or "just terrible." Nothing went over PG-13 and I pulled critically acclaimed, widely loved series with different tones. She watches equally or more intense stuff in live action, but has huge double standards. She decided she didn't like anime categorically after 15 episodes split between 2 entries. THOUSANDS of entries she judges before even looking at them. Then she questions my character for being interested in anime. I get anime can be a minefield for the uninitiated and I walked into the dark parts by accident more than once at first. I know what I like and what to avoid now. I can't win with her. I'm not even going to bother trying with my dad. He's even more stubborn and judgmental than her. Animation is another, equally valid art form with its own strengths and weaknesses. There is trash and there is treasure. Enjoyment isn't limited to specific ages. Same for live action. It is frustrating that American animation tends to be PG or MA with little in between. Japanese anime goes the full spectrum. Klaus is in my top 5 Christmas movies of all time. It needs more attention.
I watched death note, anne of green gable..... with my mom and now i am watching attack on titan and demon slayer with her. I do watch animes alone too like naruto and my hero academia....... but watching some animes with my mom makes the anime more memorable.
I think a really recent and great example of a cartoon aimed for kids that treats with a lot of serious stuff it's "Infinity Train" (no, it's not Demon Slayer), it's an anthology series about people getting trapped in a train with no end in which every car contains it's own little world, each season has diferent protagonists. Without spoiling much, the show deals with a lot of different themes, such as divorce and how it affects children, the fear of change, identity, toxic friendships, morality, fear of the unknown, etc. In one of the episodes two characters literally have a funeral. The show talks about all this themes in a way that is easy for kids AND adults to understand, it also has a really interesting plot with mysteries and great worldbuilding, the characters are really likable and also feel real and relatable and it has an amazing soundtrack and animation. This show is one of the best animated shows in recent years and it deserves way more attention than it gets, please go watch the show, there are 3 seasons so far (hopefully), each season has 10 episodes of 11 minutes each so is relly easy to binge, you won't regret it.
@@erufailon4723 It's on HBO Max, it used to air on Cartoon Network (the first 2 seasons) but they moved it to HBO Max, if you don't want to pay for the service you can use the free trial, it only takes 6 hours to finish all 3 seasons but it's SO worth it.
@@erufailon4723 Oh that's a shame, the show is unfortunately exclusive on HBO Max, so I think the only way to watch it outside of the US will be to pirate it, but if you don't want to do it then that's fine.
Thank you for including The Search for Christopher Robin. I remember revisiting that after college and being so impressed. The 'ability to accept impossible things' is also why animated musicals work so goddamn well where live-action film musicals (stage musicals have their own 'reality filter') fall flat half the time. So many things work so much better in animation, if we could just get past the 'it's for kids' nonsense. Kicking that stigma would also have probably saved a lot of kids some nightmares from picking up Perfect Blue, Akira, or one of those really violent pulpy OVAs at their local video store in the '90s.
I literally did a fist pump when you mentioned Kipo. WHY IS EVERYONE SLEEPING ON KIPO, THE CHEVRE SISTERS ARE AWESOME. It's like Dont Starve meets... gawd idk ATLA? I still have to watch the last season...
I could be wrong, but was the art direction of the show overseen by the people who did the overall design aesthetic for Transformers Animated and Scooby Doo: Mystery Inc? Because that’s the first thing I think of whenever I see the show’s art style.
I am 50 and Attack on Titan (saw first episode 2019) was my introduction to Anime and I was astonished at the deep, emotional storytelling and the way the imagery was part of said storytelling with character building. I love Anime and just started getting into reading Manga, just as I love my drama movies or western "classical" novels.
Animation really is underrated and too many people are snobbish about it, thinking it's for dumb kids or beneath them. Animation can be used for so much and really tug at the heart and mind. And I always hold to the belief it doesn't matter whether something is truly made for kids or for another gender group or not because at the end of the day, if something is interesting and good, it's good. I've held to that my whole life. And really, real life is not all drab and seriousness; we have silly and fun moments as well, so we need those as well in our media like Avatar showed.
A lot of those snobbish people have childish mentalities existing in an adult work world. Adults are "supposed" to party, drink then work and worry about debt... That's not "fun"
I just wish I could actually get this through to my mother. She rewatches and rewatches the same stuff, complains she has nothing new to watch but she completely shuts down anything I ask her to watch with me, even though I suggest stuff that is like what she already likes. It's really frustrating.
What you said at 8:06 applies to The Book Thief even more. I haven't actually seen Grave of the Fireflies yet but The Book Thief captures the trials of people living in Germany during WW2 so well that I cant imagine anything topping it. It is the greatest book I have ever read and I think everybody should read it. It shows so well how WW2 was horrible not only for the Jews, but for the Germans too. I'm sure that Grave of The Fireflies does it well too so pls read The Book Thief if you like it. It's like a 500 page novel but it is so worth it.
I haven't read The Book Thief but I've seen the Grave of the Fireflies and it's one of my favorite movies ever. It captures the horror of war and it's affect on everyday children perfectly. If the Book Thief fits that description too then I should read it immediately.
I read the book and watched the grave of the fireflys, and I can say that the movie is impressive and a must watch. The book is great but the impact of the GotF is outstanding.
@@gurentgc3546 The Book Thief... Yeah I remember that. I have a few classics in my head so I'm have trouble remembering what happened in that one. Is it the one with the grim reaper??? For some reason I'm thinking it has to do with a kid in the middle east escaping his country as a child and then having to come back years later.
@@harperl2 I'm not really sure what you're talking about with a middle East kid. The Book Thief is about a girl in WW2 era living in Nazi Germany. The book is narrated by Death, they're not exactly a grim reaper. You should definitely reread it because of how amazing it is. Also it's not a classic or anything it was written sometime in the 2000s I'm pretty sure.
I will never understand why the notion of "animation is for children" ever really took root to begin with. Let's not forget, back when this medium first started, animated shorts, like the kind Disney were producing, were just as likely to attract adult audiences as children, and their first big film, Snow White, was so beloved by general audiences that they even had a specially-made Oscar to give to Walt for it. So clearly something happened between those early days and our modern era that caused people to have this skewed belief regarding animation 🤔
Because realistic visuals give a more mature feeling and the animated visuals feel more fantasy which usually associated with children books. I think the attempt to go live action banks on this stigma and it kinda works since most adults automatically chalk up animation as being something for children.
@@nekonomicon2983 But that's dumb Realism =/=quality. The transformers movie are awful (from the Bay era) yet the animated ones are much better, the classic series had the balls to kill off Optimus Prime, something that the movies didn't even tried. The lion King live action movie was soo boring and lifeless exactly because of that kind of mentality.
@@wrestlinganime4life288 Which is saying something (something quiet embarrassing about the modern live action), given the animated classic was basically marketing a toy line. However, its not that dumb. Its simply one of those ways things become associated to each other. For a whole generation or two, It was profitable and cheaper to make little cartoon shows for kids. Also, politicians wanted to use them to sell pro-social messages. All of this worked to built the perception that "animation is for kids".
@@nekonomicon2983 A lot of adults (at least here in the west) have a very skewed definition for something being mature. To the west, being mature means you can stomach things like graphic descriptions, blood/gore, etc. To boil it down, the meaning of maturity here in the west is more about the physical and visceral aspect of it, but not the emotional aspect of it. Meanwhile in the East (more specifically, Japan), the definition of maturity (to them) means having the emotional (not just the physical) strength to stomach things like severe depression, stress of life and other mental issues such as dealing with horrible upbringings and overall, being a mentally sound and decent person; things that the physical dimension of maturity (that the west is more focused on) never truly addresses. I would want to write an entire argument about how the west and east differ with their approach to optimized entertainment, but I don't want to needlessly rant here.
I think with animation, it's the things that you can't do in live-action that really hit. Things like the lighting or the stylization. Being free from the real world opens up a lot of possibilities. Into the Spider-verse would not work as a live-action movie. Sure, its plot could be done, but its style, the absolutely stunning work the animators put in wouldn't work. The colors, the clashing art styles, the choppy movement, the exaggerated comic book aesthetic....that doesn't translate. And then there's Moriarty the Patriot, which uses its lighting to represent bloodlust and paints the entire frame red.
It’s not so much that live action adaptations are the problem. Detective Pikachu is a clear exception to the rules & as a kid I always wanted to see what my favorite cartoons looked like brought to life. The problem is that the crews working on these adaptations either seem to have the “animation is for kids” mindset or they try to make everything look too dark & edgy since they think it’ll make them look more mature. What they need are people who are true fans of the franchises to work on these adaptations so they can accurately bring these stories into the real world, not lose sight of what made them so beloved in the first place, and inspire a whole new group of fans
"Attack on Titan is literally a cartoon made for children." Me:*Has flashbacks of the blood, gore, themes of suffering and death* Wait a minute- Geoff: * explains * Me: You're . . . Right.
i also watch watch sin city and 300 when i was a kid, and i even didn't care the amount of R rated shit from it i just enjoy for what it is. Even frank miller admited he just wanted to make his own over the top version of noir films and epic greek stories it wasn't suppoust to taken that serious compare to the dark knight returns or watchmen (things that snyder failed to adapt)
@@TheEnigmaticBM39 no watchmen is mostly good because of alan moore's writting, and snyder "cool shit" style kinda contradict the purpuse of the original story , by making the action cool as shit insted of brutal and realistic like in the comics, or the costumes Sexy and cool looking insted of cheap and ugly representing the idea of how dumb Is asking broken people with silly outfits to be above the law (and of course changing the ending, for every aspect that feells faithfull, the unfaithfull take over and create a diferent meaning (its kinda like if in Lord of the rings they adapt important aspect from the book to latter change the ending for no apparent reason outside of "itz not cool", with Is snyder main issue). Patrick h Williams talks about this In his video of the R rated superhero movies. If i want to see snyder bullshit done right, i would watch the boys. PS: fuck the snyder cut.
In the immortal words of C. S. Lewis, a story worth reading only in childhood is not worth reading even than. He has a lot of good quotes relevant to this video but I think that is my favourite
I watch shows for toddlers when I'm sad. I'm almost 29. Why? Because they're fucking wholesome and kind. Everyone needs a bit of wholesome in their life.
Sorry this is long, it accidentally became a rant. Thank you, I'm on the verge of tears. I'm home from college for the holidays and I'm stuck sharing the TV in the living room because mine is back at my dorm. I keep trying so hard to share things that will appeal to me (19 y/o college student), my little brother (6 y/o), and my parents (both in 40s), but my parents keep complaining because "cartoons are for kids and you need to grow up". My mom won't even pay attention to Avatar but she has the audacity to get interested in a fight and ask what's happening. It's ironic because instead of watching, she's coloring pictures on her phone something else that's "for kids". And when my dad puts on a boring live action movie and everyone leaves because it's boring!? I don't understand. I try to put on something everyone will enjoy (if they pay attention) and I'm called stupid, but someone else can pick out something that doesn't appeal to anyone and that makes them an adult??? The weirdest part is I'm trying to include my little brother as part of the family by choosing anime or cartoons, but my parents don't even consider him and just tell him to watch UA-cam on his phone. It's like family time doesn't even exist... and they wonder why I'm always in my room alone.
Damn, rip. Try to show them through emotion that they're wrong, try to convince them hard enough, and maybe it'll work. Also tell your little brother separately why what they're telling him to do is dumb (and, idk, maybe keep reassuring him that you're right I guess) and he should come around.
i know the feeling man. honestly i wouldn't worry about it. if your family doesn't understand why you like animation then the hell on them. let them think what they want to think it doesn't mean you should not like it. if you enjoy it then that's your business.
"Animation is for everyone" is something I preach to the people around me on a regular basis, mostly because it's a very underdeveloped concept where I come from. Every time I say the word 'cartoon' I get made fun of, and it breaks my heart to see people shitting on the wonderful medium of animation, not only because I adore it, but because literally anything is possible in animation--that's the beauty of it. You can tell mind-bending stories with physics-breaking visuals and an emotional sincerity that you can't get in any other medium, and all of it gets dismissed because "it isn't realistic." Yeah. No shit. Most fiction isn't, at least not completely. You don't need a gritty layer of realism for sothing to be "mature"; You don't need a bleak, pessimistic message to be "adult"; in fact, the idea that something mature can't be silly and lighthearted is childish in and of itself. That's why a fluffy cartoon with silly gags and bright colors is capable of telling a deep, profound story and why its drab, edgy remake will probably feel like someone went "lets do the same thing but with sex and murder and without any of the fun parts" and it'll most likely be an insulting dumpster fire.
I hate the “it’s not realistic” argument. action movies are one of the most popular genre’s if not the most popular especially for adults and they have the most over the top non-realistic stuff in it but that’s why it’s cool it’s unexpected and exaggerated that’s what makes it fun and great and animation is all about exaggeration you can make almost anything from it animation is great because it’s unrealistic
The problem with making an animated show live action is that the animation itself is part of the appeal of the show. It allows characters to express themselves in unique ways that set them apart and make impossible feats look possible. TLDR; fuck live action
I’m with you I think directors need to do better when making live action films or shows that are based off video games, books, manga, anime or animated series.
OK hot take: MCU would've been great animated, (even though it probably would've flopped) I mean think how badass Thor, Iron man, Captain America V. Thanos could've been.
@@history_loves_anime8927 And runs into a mirror, yes. It crossed over with the Ultimate Spiderman TVshow that Drake Bell was a part of and where we get Deadpool at honestly some of his best
I disagree. Marvel has a history of not being very good with animation but great with live-action. DC,however is the exact opposite where they are great at animation but bad with live-action. I think marvel made the right choice,given it's history. They fucked up scarlet witch,though.
If avatar didn’t have a childish side to it it would be more like some edgy angsty mature anime, not saying it would be bad but all the really intense and touching stuff in avatar would feel trihard
It's sad that getting a live action adaptation seems to be the next "logical" step and only then garners wide attention while animated shows are seen as a lesser version
My dad doesn't really get animation for the most part, and he basically stopped watching it once I started coming to him with an interest in more adult movies (he has a veritable library of great Westerns and War films). However, with that said, there was a very cool experience I had with him one time. We went on a trip to Lake Michigan for the day a few summers ago, and went to a local Ice Cream shop before we went home. While in there a couple that seemed to be in their mid-twenties came in, and the woman had a VERY cool upper arm tattoo of San from Princess Mononoke. I expressed the sentiment and the three of us talked about Studio Ghibli movies for a bit. In the parking lot we found they had parked right next to us, and they had several Ghibli rear window stickers. Once in the car, my dad asked me about Studio Ghibli and I explained to him a bit of the history of the studio and some of their films, including how Spirited Away won the Academy Award for Best Animated Feature. Not thinking anything would come of it, I didn't think any more of it. Then one day I was house sitting for him, and saw that he had rented Spirited Away from the library. When he returned, he said that he really enjoyed it much more than he thought he would. On a whim, I lent him my copies of Attack on Titan, and he has also enjoyed that series quite a lot. If you know what a person is looking for in media you can EASILY find an anime to match their tastes. Sometimes they can even surprise you with something neither of you thought they would like.
EXACTLY!! My 63 year old Mom is hooked HARD on anime BECAUSE it deals with heavy, real-life issues better & more tastefully than just about anything American life-action TV has in about 30 years. And she doesn't even LIKE American cartoons. Personally, I have pretty much abandoned life-action stuff entirely cuz I just relate to anime better than just about any other medium I've ever encountered, including all those dry, dusty doorstop novels i read as a kid which i thought made me look "grown up." Great job, Geoff! Couldn't have said it better myself!
your mom is fucking cool. i can't even get my parents to watch anime lol i think my mom watched death note and was like it was good but after that she lost interest in other animes.
I still remember the drive home from The Last Airbender movie. I still consider it the moment I transitioned from an optimistic child to a cynical angry teenager.
I just finished adventure time recently. A story that has things to say about nuclear fear, romance, family, existential horror, and time. It does all this in 11 mins an episode. I feel like it's later seasons are criminally under rated (not helped by the fact That CN doesn't seem to like showing more than 4 shows at a time and the never kept a consistent schedule during the back half of the show's life. In fact that show has spawned a ton of other great animated shows infinity train, over the garden wall, ok ko, Clarence, summer camp island, Greg of the creek, and Steven universe. It's a highly influential show, and has amazing world building, characters, and songs. Not all of it works and it kinda meanders a bit, but it's still one of the strongest animated shows. I would also say the same thing about venture brothers. One of the best superhero parodies out there. It's an animated show, but it's one of the most adult, most human shows out there with a story that deals with legacy, bureaucracy, and does it 10 times better than the boys in my opinion. A show that tackles a lot of the same themes, but is live action.
There’s this great quote that I think every parent should tell their child. “When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty, I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.” C S Lewis
What i love so much about animation is that you can really do anything. It's just this open medium where anything you can think of and anything you can create, you can make. Anything that you could do in live-action, you can also do it with animation and make it better. I think that animation will always allow for more expressive and more creative stories :)
I love animation, I always loved it. It's so frustrating seeing people saying it's for kids and easily dismissing great pieces of art just because it's a cartoon. I'd rather spend hours watching a great animation like Avatar or Anohana than a crappy "mature" live action
most boomers nowadays wouldn't understand anime because back then they didn't have alot of exposure to animation like today thats why they're so critical. I wouldn't take those geezers seriously
Animation isn’t a genre, it doesn’t have to target children. In fact, the best ones don’t have to target them. Anything that could happen in live action movies can happen in animation, perhaps even more. Edit: I’ve made a severe lapse of my judgement
You're missing the point: being for adults (animation or otherwise) doesn't make it better by default. I've seen recent cartoons like Sofia the first and tangled the series that TRAMPLE a lot of "adult" cartoons in every,possible way and i would much rather watch one of those than watch,say berserk. The target audience doesn't dictate it's quality: it's own merits do and that's the point of this video.
I think you missed the point of the video dude. Animation can be aimed at any age group, I totally agree with that. But one of the main points the video is getting across is that the age group a show is aimed at doesn’t indicate its quality. A show aimed at kids can be way better than a show aimed at adults, and vice versa. If you’re not into any kids shows, that’s totally cool and valid- that style isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. But don’t count them out just for being aimed at kids, you know?
@@JT5555 yeah but thats just how they make it but generally animation is for everyone it shouldn't be just for one demographic. the misconception of how it is labeled is based on the lack of logic the executives have for the medium.
I’ve always thought that is what makes avatar great. It’s tells a mature story with a fun kid friendly face instead of an immature “kid” with a grim “serious” adult face.
Making animation is bloody hard but so is live-action. Time, resources, money and care are essential to making an excellent work. Sure, someone COULD make an animation or film but without the proper care, you’d end up with a very embarrassing work. Sure, there are lots of memorable classic live-action and animated works but the passion has to be there. You absolutely showed that even with stuff aimed at kids that they can still strike gold and make something powerful and unforgettable. There’s a reason there’s a lot of awful animated and live-action works that are regularly shown on UA-cam reviews. When the passion isn’t there, it’s obvious. They are few and far between but they exist and it can be off-putting knowing they can potentially put some off the mediums. It‘s more that we care a lot about the mediums and want to see them improve. Caring about what we’re making can lead to incredible works of art. I see that in both live action works and animation.
Personal, as an mid-20s-years-old black woman who has always and forever been a giant lover of animated movies or cartoons as well as both anime and manga. Animation in general should be appreciated way more with respect as a storytelling medium instead of being seen as only a genre or something for "silly little kids" when it just as capable of having captivating moments, believable intense emotional weight, relatable also well-written characters that can move you and make you feel for them even though there just drawings. While I do love me my regular live action shows /movies & all, nothing can beat the highly unlimited vast creative potential as well as imagination when it comes to anything involving animation; I've have never ever felt ashamed over anything I watch or enjoyed in terms of seeing children cartoons or adult animated series because mostly who gives a damn about what other people think...if certain "adults" actual think less of me because I love seeing kids cartoons like ROTTMNT, Summer camp island, Kipo, Adventure time, Steven universe, Craig of the Creek, or in terms of adult toons like Bojack or Tuca & Bertie also Final Space because they view any adult that watches stuff like that as "stunted immature freaks" then they can go screw themselves cause there far too up their own judgemental, uptight, boring butts to even enjoy or simply have fun with something because it's not "sophisticatlly Grown up" enough for them.
@@Ubersupersloth Does me proclaiming am a black woman bother's you much for you to mention it within your reply, perhaps the reason why I said is because usually anything involving fandom related spaces especially in terms of anime or cartoons series or when it comes to reading manga /comics black women as well as black girls aren't rarely seen or thought of being fans of those types of things. Those within both parts of the black community & by certain white people that's view any black person being into content they deem as Nerd culture or things like fandom as a whole...even if you do have fans of color or black fans period, the majority of fandom tends to be seen as a very white thing. thus me being into those things I can be looked at as not being "Black enough" or seen as a "Oreo" or were am put into a box cause of racist stereotypes & treated a certain way for being a black girl into said media. But that's a whole another thing altogether.
@@DI-QueenmoEMino I have never known that stereotype. Is that really something people think? Without that knowledge, it made about as much sense as someone saying “as a left handed blonde haired person...” Edit: Sounds like there are a lot of racist people in your life if you can be deemed to not act “black enough” (like being black means you should act a certain way or like certain things) by many of them. Fuck ‘em. They seem like assholes anyway.
This stigma against anime and animation being for children is weird for me, because where I'm from, everybody grew up on dubbed anime and cartoons. My siblings, my cousins, my parents, my uncles and aunts, a majority of us grew up on many classic dubbed animes. So this stigma towards anime isn't really as prominent, like adults could see some animation as childish, but it's not really too much of a problem here.
(NETFLIX announces Live-Action about Winx Club) People start raising pitches and forks and torches (NETFLIX adds "The Spectacular Spider-Man" cartoon to its catalog. At least in Latin America) People: You got lucky this time. Everything is forgiven
**PSST** CANADIANS. Click here for some THE ZONE nostalgia: ua-cam.com/video/0PdQmSxDiXo/v-deo.html
h
i
You are doing god's work,good sir.
You got sponsored by Discord?!
Never thought I'd see THE ZONE mentioned again
Remember people, animation is a medium, not a genre. A medium that can be used to make anything.
What if I make a genre?
Marshall McLuhan would like to have a word.
Lets go brad bird
Aye
PREACH!!!!!
"Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
-C.S. Lewis
Well damn, should've read the comments, I just posted the same thing. XD
This has always been one of my favorite quotes.
C.S. Lewis just dropped his crown. lol
I cam down to the comments to see if someone had already posted this quote, lol, because if someone hadn't, I was going to.
Lewis may have some questionable messages in his works but this is an amazing quote
Twitter folk have actually got a respect animation hashtag going today. Props to those people spreading awareness.
+Re_Flex 20
(gasps) Twitter does *more* than spawn toxicity??? Surely you jest!!😱😱😱
@@matthewmoran5297 Even a broken clock is useful twice a day.
Unless it's digital, in which case it's just trash.
@@Rognik or if the hands broke off after it gets knocked off of a wall
Which part of Twitter though? The ones that want anime to change/reform or the rest of us who wants it left be so we can have one thing that not ruined?
@@Rognik I think you got lost in your metaphor there.
What I hate the most about the preception of cartoons in the west is the fact that for a cartoon to be labeled as "for adults" it can't just have some violence, some swearing, and one or two sexy scenes, it needs to be raunchy, graphic, or vulgar for almost every second of its run time.
It feels like executives are afraid that if they're even a single scene in the animation that is appropriate for all ages some mom is going to assume the whole thing is like that and buy it for their children.
Well most of us ARE from the generation of parents that bought us GTA because we asked. Some parents are not smart when it comes to the media so they can get caught up
The ultimate irony, too, is that so many so-called "adult" cartoons are some of the most juvenile shows in existence, with the humor--because these shows *always* have to be comedies, no drama or emotionally impactful scenes here, folks--consisting of bodily functions, gross-outs, crude sex jokes, shock-for-the-sake-of-shock humor, or excessive swearing. And while I have no objection to any of this stuff on a moral level or anything because it *can* be done well, so often these cartoons just comes off as lazy and childish when they're more concerned about being offensive rather than being funny or clever, telling a decent story, or getting me to care about the characters. It *is* getting better, I think, with shows like Bo-jack tackling much more mature subject matter, and I have some high hopes for Vivziepop's Helluva Boss which, so far, has a lot of that edgier humor but also looks like it's not going to shy away from genuinely emotional character moments, but it seems like for every honestly good adult cartoon we get they pump out ten more awful Family Guy knockoffs.
The funny thing is that even something that's explicitly for adults could still be viewed by children either because of rebellious behavior or dumb parents. "I can't believe that a film called SAUSAGE PARTY is inappropriate for kids!"
I mean considering the parents who brought their kids to see deadpool despite the near constant warnings that it was r rated and not for kids...
@@Spectra651
What about Bojack Horseman, Spawn TAS, Ninja Scroll and Princess Mononoke?
Reject "maturity"; embrace cringe.
Sigma. Sigma balls
@@darkdefender9919 you Said Balls hehehe
I prefer Evolve to Awesome
Insecure teenagers trying to fit in: "Years of academy training wasted"
Cringe
Its unfortunate that the ones who think that animation is only
for younger audiences aren't the ones watching this video
Painfully accurate
I see u everywhere
Which ironic since a lot of their "live-action" is full of so much CGI at times you might as well call it an animated movie along the lines "Space Jam, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, and Cool World." Yet they WILL not accept it like with The Lion King remake WAS animated just in 3D
@@darkfyraproductions7958 Wait what? Quebecers, from a big city close to the USA and in a country where a good part speaks primarily English, don't all understand passable English?
How is not a chunk of their everyday life in English?
@@Tinky1rs French Canadians
There's a CS Lewis quote that boils down to something like 'worrying about appearing childish is the mark of immaturity', and I feel like that's fitting here.
Here's the full quote:
“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”
@@meanbeanmachine I love that quote from C.S. Lewis
The quote from C.S. Lewis is right above this comment for me and I love it.
Agrizle
The quote from C.S. Lewis is right below this comment for me and I love it.
i always get this respond: "isn't animation for kids?" and when i show them something like akira or beastars, they just say something like "but that is for sick people" and i just think "wel . . . you liked saw and matrix . . . is this worst just because it is animated?"
read this and tell me if you have been in the same situation plz
Edit: holly shit, thaks for sharing your experiences!!
The matrix is just live action anime
I actually don't even try cus of the "social stigma", unless I know the person is open enough. Its sad how hard it is for some ppl to try out new stuff
I've had a similar argument with video games and violence. It is very easy for non-gaming people to objectify what video games are, but even when you point them towards games likes of Animal Crossing with 0 violence, they will turn the "nice and fuzzy" aestethic into a way to escape or build up their real life anger. And when you tell older people that books can contain violence, rape, horror and other not pleasing stuff, they say that those are "just a percent" and "it's not that bad".
My point is that as long as one remains ignorant, they will not accept that a medium is healthy, for their age or good in any form. I do not enjoy reading walls of texts for a prolonged periods of time a proper book would provide, but that doesn't mean I can downgrade what books are and that I can say there aren't some books that everyone that is capable of reading should read.
My go-to is usually Game of Thrones (back before the final season and when people still talked about it). You can't @me about anime but have no problem with the amount of blood, guts and nudity that gets shown in the most popular show at the time.
@@mikethepokemaster2012 yeah and inception is a live action paprika
My sister said that Spiderverse would be better if it was live action instead of animated and I’ve never been so genuinely disgusted in my life
Why she say that
Did you ask her how?
Yeah she just said it’d be easier to connect to the characters
Not saying you should, but looking into getting a new sister may be a decent idea.
LOL!!!! RESPECT!
How tf did this man get sponsored by discord. That's the most unique sponsorship I've ever seen.
haha i was like what, does discord even need to sponsor anyone, i feel like it's ubiquitously known among anime and particularly gaming circles.
ikr
Never seen anyone get sponsored by them before. And I have a huge variety of content I watch so I would have seen one before.
Game theory got sponsored by Geico
everybody gangsta until MB is sponsored by MF DISCORD
DIsmissing the silly comedy of Avatar is a great disservice to it. The conflict between the comedy and silliness is not just Aang's conflict, but also part of Zuko's conflict but seen from the other side,. Zuko begins the series trying to be a serious, powerful soldier, that he believes is what he should be like, but during all that his uncle is trying to remind of enjoying life, including it's silly stuff. Which again brings that conflict to the forefront as Iroh perception of the world comes after confronting immense loss.
@Elio You have to remember they are in fact children. Children dealing with serious issues such as war/family hardships and the like. Early on Katara said: "I haven't done this since I was a kid!" Talking about riding the penguin. And Aang replies with: "You still are a kid" Is a great way to show us, how much time had changed between Aang's time, and Katara's time, because of the war that is going on. It's good to enjoy the silly stuff, as well as serious stuff.
I also think that the silly comedy is enjoyable to everyone. Its not things like fart jokes, its good light hearted comedy that will give you a good laugh
But what if you dismiss the movie for all of the problems it has?
👍
I mean to be fair the main cast are children. I fully expect lighthearted and silly jokes to be rampant because for the most part, that’s how kids tend to make jokes. I don’t expect Dave Chappell level humor from a 14 year old
So way back in the late 90s, I remember when Princess Mononoke got a limited theatrical release here in the U.S. My friends and I scoured to find a theater that was playing it, and when we went on opening night there were only 4 other people for the first show. Half of them walked out the moment they saw it was an animated film. About a year later when it was out on VHS I happened to work at a video rental store. A lady saying she was an art teacher at the local high school asked for a recommendation for something to show her class to kill time on the day before winter break started. I recommended Princess Mononoke and she says, "They're high schoolers, they don't watch a cartoon." Not sure which of those stories makes me more upset.
Should have told her to quit teaching them art because they're teenagers if that's how she thinks
You not punching the dumb ass "art teacher" makes ME most upset. What kind of art teacher rejects a artform?
I have a story that is somewhat similar. I went to cinema alone for the opening of Isle of dogs in Hungary. It wasn't dubbed so, I figured there won't be that many families this time, wich is why I usually choose an odd time to go to animation watching (It's not rare that people bring children, who can't focus their attention on a whole movie), what I wasn't suspecting to have the whole theatre room for myself. The theatre didn't even played their usual commercials. It was great.
Hearing these stories makes me really appreciate my middle school art teacher who showed us Your Name and Tale of Princess Kaguya in a similar situation. But it was a bit of a special case anyway because 1) she didn't really care that much about the opinions of her students and 2) anime films have always been mostly seen as an "art film" thing in my country.
Did you meet my highschool art teacher lmao
one of my biggest pet peeves in animation, is adult cartoons that try really hard to prove that they are for adults. There are astronomically few western cartoons, aimed at adults, that arent littered with sex and gore or random swear words that dont need to be there. Its so annoying and feels like its closer to what a middle schooler thinks is "mature" to what actually is. I wish more cartoons could just embrace complex adult stories without needing to prove that "its ok! we swear its for adults too, so you can watch it! look they say 'fuck' and this guys guts are hanging out!!! cmon"
I agree completely with this. This issue is really prevalent with seinen anime/manga as well. I remember starting to read a fantasy seinen anime where in the first chapter alone, the villains where shown raping girls in very explicit detail and it just got worse from there on out. The actual story was interesting, but with every bad guy it was like "Look how much they rape and kill people. Aren't they such mature villains for adults to appreciate and enjoy reading." Plenty of others are like that as well unfortunately.
Paradise P.D. is a good recent example of this.
Yes and also the art style is soo ugly!! I am so glad Vivziepop and her crew are currently making adult animation on youtube with a good balance of stuff with beautiful art.
swer I couldn't agree more. I feel like this is the sole reason why Anime is so popular in the west. It's the best source for adult animation that isn't overly sexual or graphic or vulgar (most of the time) just for the sake of being so. The best adult animes are adult because of their story, world, and characters. Western adult animation is such a joke because of this reason.
@@toddclawson2840 Are you telling me redo of a healer isn't a mature anime with deep themes?
Tbh, I find it low key disrespectful to the people who wrote, directed, storyboarded, animated, etc. When you dismiss an animation just because it’s animated, whether it’s targeted to kids or adults. I love animation, and WANT to work in the industry, but I always get people asking, «why animation? Isnt live action better? »
No. First off, Animation is a style. A medium, not a genre. You can make anything out of an animation, and that includes realistic elements. Second, you’re a hypocrite if you say animation « isn’t real » when you watch a live action film with tons of cgi and special effects. Anything in film is fake. Can be realistic, but not real. Animation may be 2D or stylized 3D, but they can have mature themes and relatable characters. And kids animation, in a way, usually has more heart put into the animation itself. Compare the epic fights in the owl house or the badass battle scenes in mlp to, say, the Simpson’s or bojack. There’s so much effort put in the animation ALONE. And you can tell the writers cared about what they’re writing. That isn’t to say the writers and animators for adult shows DONT care about their work (bojack is especially phenomenal for an adult cartoon), but if you compare the animation itself, there is a BIG difference in quality.
There are SO MANY THINGS you can do with animation, but it is also very time consuming and difficult to learn. Sure, live action with realistic cgi is hard too, but that doesn’t make animation any less valuable. And to say that you refuse to even acknowledge a film or show that’s animated, whether it’s a cartoon or anime, is kinda disrespectful to the people who worked so hard on it.
Sorry, this is just some of the pent up salt I have to get out.
You say that as if people don't blatantly disrespect the people who work hard on CGI in live action movies, too.
@@dasuberkaiser6 it’s not that it doesn’t happen, but for the most part people usually don’t dismiss the cgi and special effects in live action films. Think marvel movies. Not every film may be good story and directing wise but people usually don’t complain about the cgi quality. Some may complain that there’s too much cgi, but they can’t deny that it’s passable and realistic (for the most part). When it comes to animation however, people are just unwilling to watch simply BECAUSE it’s animated. You don’t really get that with live action. By those people’s logic, real people on stage = “real” as opposed to animation.
This is literally what I'm trying to tell my parents who still believe all animation is childish and for kids only
@@jentoons5732 this is your feeling on the matter but i think it is incorrect, me and many others despise over handed cgi; you can find a lot of people that would take lets say 1980's alien puppetry effects over most cgi today given the choice.
I personally can't stand the animation style of one piece and i wish to god i could move past it and just enjoy the anime, but that is true with some cgi heavy movies as well.
I think the general public views anime as not for them more so because of the way they view us that enjoy it and less about it being animation, if it was simply due to the fact its animated Simpsons/family guy/Rick and Morty/southpark wouldn't be so popular.
@@zeusdarkgod7727 the reason why cartoons like Rick and morty are popular is because they have good writing and comedy. People, for the most part, don’t care about the animation. AND it was clearly marketed towards adults. If it was for kids or the whole family then people would dismiss it, which I think is ridiculous. I get what you’re saying, but you have to keep in mind about the GENERAL, general public. People just don’t care about the animation, and would even say things like “wHy Am I gEtTiNg EmOtIoNal AbOuT a CaRtOoN???” When animation has the equal capability to be emotional/well-written. Plus, if people DID care, they wouldn’t ask me questions like “isn’t live action better?”
God I hate Disney and those adults who think that animated stuff is inferior or "childish" to live-action stuff. It shows how childish they are.
that's because most of what disney and what adults say nowadays are trash and hollywood especially.
"adult" and "kids" show labels are the dumbest things ever. Watching a show doesn't make you immature or more violent prematurely, it's a show. And this goes for anything too. You're 26 and binge watch Barney, yet you do your taxes on time and respect others wtf should I complain you watch Barney? You're a horde of young kids who just have fun playing GTA, what's wrong with that?
Well I mean disney is still bringing out great stuff like
Owl house
Amphibia
Gravity falls
Zootopia
Star vs the forces of evil
Moana
Raya and the last dragon
Ducktales
Big city greens
@@naijamations3404 yea but then there are also *cough *cough live action remakes no one asked for
@@mk3a haha nice
As owen dennis said once on twitter, the lack of young adult animation for ages 12-18 has turned many teens towards anime as an alternative because the medium actually has stories for their demographic.
It's sad but boy is it true
As a teen about a year before heading to college, this hits hard.
I've always found it so strange that people can simultaneously act like animation is for children while watching movies that at this point are *at least* 30% CGI, most of the time even more.
I mean, it's easy to understand. Think about games.
Even though 3D games are 100% CGI, the idea of being realistic, and having violence and such things would make other people think it's not for children. While Nintendo Games are for children, in these people minds.
People would argue that the thing is about "stylized animation" , you know.
@@TheMoonestOne I feel like Among Us and Fall Guys kinda broke through that model, but for the most part, you're right.
@@TheMoonestOne I'd also argue that... Well I think this is definitely an East Vs West thing, as cliche as that sounds, but...
For example: in the west, when people think of animation (other than anime) their first thought is Disney (Heck, as MB even said in the video, when people think of emotional moments in film, they'll likely pull up a Disney movie for their example).
And then as animation changed over time, most animation studios followed that same Disney model of making all-ages/childrens' media.
And though I don't 100% agree with the "Puritanical Americans in the 50's" insult specifically (mostly because the people making policy are those puritans from the 50's, would take offense, and be like "young people don't know what's good for them, back in my day we didn't have all this porno and people acted right"), it also does show that divide more, that the West puts their ideas into age rating boxes based on preconceived notions of what is and isn't okay for young people compared to the more relaxed views of the east on such things)
And then there's Anime Specifically and the animation age ghetto... Do I even need to bring up 4kids? Like... Basically, every anime that came to America was aged down. Teen Shonen anime getting turned to YA fare, and even straight-up adult series had attempts at turning them down to be closer to kid-friendly (Lingerie Fighter Papillon Rose for example was an adult parody of Sailor Moon, and even the creator basically disowned the adaptation because it removed most of those adult/lewd aspects) So it's not exactly like anime "Saved" animation from the age ghetto because for a long time it had to deal with the same crap.
Meanwhile, I can't speak for western experiences, but the more "mature" stories being told by animation have been a thing for basically forever.
Because of the "adult aesthetics" (stole that from a comment here)
Its a Boomer and Normie mentality. These people will likely remain hypocritical and ignorant.
The mindset that “aesthetic of maturity equals maturity” really is something we all learn to exorcise, myself included. Pretty much all of my favorite properties and the ones I find most interesting to talk about are aimed at young children: Ojamajo Doremi, Digimon Tamers, Sofia the First and Elena of Avalor, and it took me until very recently to admit that to myself. I find them fascinating precisely because of how they can play around with the demographic-based conventions that they’re meant to tick off while still telling well-structured stories with something to say for audiences of all ages. One trait I find in common with all of these shows and shows like Avatar: TLA and Rise of the TMNT is that these shows are so clearly in love with their characters and the world that they’ve created, and that I think should be the hallmark of all great storytelling. It’s what I think also distinguishes animation as a medium because every element is cut from whole cloth, and operates on such a precise execution of the creators’ imagination. It’s something that should be recognized no matter the subject matter, genre or demographic.
Spectacular Spider-Man and BTAS are some of my all time favourites.
Holy sh*t balls, Ojamajo Doremi (or Magical Doremi in the dubbed/4Kids version) was my sh*t as a preteen, right next to Hamtaro, Sailor Moon, Digimon, etc. 😁💕
Yup, it's an adolescent tendency we all have to grow out of as we mature into adulthood.
The fact many over 45 still haven't is a symptom of a really big underlying problem in our society, imo.
To kinda add to some of this. In live action you might find it difficult to see the actor as the character they are playing because you’re mind could see them as a different character that they played. With animation it’s less likely to see a character as another character because most the time they have a mostly different look form most other characters. Sometimes they can look similar to other characters in other shows and movies but I think it’s less likely to realize that since ppl don’t seem to watch animated shows and movies as much. The characters aren’t as recognizable as the actors in live action
In my opinion anyone who says "animation is just for kids" isn't worth talking to. If they want to miss out on great adult shows like Beastars, Ghost in Shell, and Hinamatsuri, that's their problem. Furthermore, if they want to miss out on great kid shows like Steven Universe and GeGeGe no Kitarō (both of which can get very mature in their themes and storytelling), that's also their problem. We like what we like, and anyone who judges us for what we like isn't worth our time.
Right now presently it's attack on Titan airing and jjk
I used to think like that, but now I choose my battles. Some people can be co convinced to try it, especially if I offer to watch a few with them at the start. More often than not they end up binge watching the series when I leave! Animation has some of the best and most powerful stories right now. Live action stories are...lackluster since there are fewer of them in general and most of the ones that come out are blatant cash grabs.
I agree with you but Steven Universe became shit though
I've found tons of people in other places that will keep coming at me for idiotic reasons on why they mistakenly believe that animation is for kids, and no matter how many times I say: "NO, THAT'S WRONG!" and prove evidence, they keep responding with: "STUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPID!"
I’m just saying, people can change. Maybe some can learn that animation is more versatile than they think, should they be willing.
You do bring up some good points, but I just want for you to know that sometimes, reality isn’t as rigid as one thinks.
"Did Hollywood not learn it's lesson the first time?"
Geoff, it's Hollywood.
They NEVER learn their lesson.
they never do. why do you think they keep running out of ideas now
Let's all laugh at an industry that never learns anything tee hee hee!
That's why only Hollywood gets invaded and only Hollywood gets saved, repeat.
Forget it, Jake. It's Animetown.
A relevant observation I've had with the world is this bizarre, skewed sense of priority, that adults don't have fun, adults work, and that some hobbies are acceptable for adults, and others aren't, but regardless of what hobbies you have if you choose to prioritize your hobbies and free time over your job then there is something wrong with you. As far as I am concerned so long as you are meeting your needs then what you do with the rest of your time is up to you, and you should focus on doing what makes you happy, rather than filling your wallet. I work 30-40 hours a week and all my bills get paid on time or sooner while leaving enough left to save up for things I want, so why would I ever choose to work 60-80 hours a week the way many of my coworkers do? Granted a large part of why I'm able to do that has more to do with luck and circumstance and there are loads of people out there who need to work twice as much to be in as comfortable a financial situation, but when I get funny looks or occasionally outright punished for choosing to live a happy, comfortable life, and scheduling my days off around games I play instead of just working all the damn time it is truly baffling to me. Money is a means to an end, not an end itself, and at some point the world forgot this fact, we still *have* a barter system, it's just we use currency as a placeholder to streamline the process. At the end of the day if you aren't allowing yourself to just enjoy yourself you aren't really living, just surviving. If you aren't having fun, no matter what you are doing, you are doing it wrong, and if you can't find a way to make it fun, do something else, because if you aren't enjoying your life then what's the point of living in the first place?
That tangent was a bit longer than I expected, but to bring it back to the topic of discussion here, people need to get over themselves and let themselves have fun, having fun isn't childish, there is nothing that says an adult is only able to enjoy "adult" things (whatever that even means) and if you enjoy "childish" things you must be a child except people's own egos and stupidity. If humanity would just get it's collective head out of it's collective ass, maybe they'd see all the joy, both big and small, that exists in this wonderous, magical world we live in.
Thank you. My thoughts exactly.
Unfortunately, unless if the person you are speaking to naturally has an open personality, which isn’t many people... trying to change someone’s opinion on something will result in failure. Humans are very ignorant creatures. Once they find something that works for them and once they get used to that something, humans will usually do anything to stand by that something. If a product of entertainment that is different from the product you currently enjoy shows up and it gives you a bad first impression, you are most likely never going to want to try it out. That bad impression can come from many things. The opinion of the masses, the person not being used to the new product and refusing to get used to it, etc. Unless if something very impactful happens, whether or not it happens immediately or over time, a person’s opinion will *never* change. Words are quieter than actions. Tell someone to do something without force and they won’t do it. And, obviously, hobbies are not born from being held at gunpoint and being told to do something. You cannot force somebody to like something, and it is nearly impossible to get anybody to understand something that they don’t understand.
But despite that, it doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t try to get other people to understand something that you appreciate. Not all people are unwilling to try new things. Start with some potential good friends of yours who are not into animation and introduce them to animation without over explaining everything. Let them enjoy what you enjoy on their own merits. If at first they don’t see the appeal, let them try it out more. Not everybody can get used to or understanding something so quickly. If they end up liking it, they could potentially influence other people by telling them about their new (and healthy) hobby. Not many good things come quickly.
Sorry for the long response
@@momsaccount4033 Don't be sorry! That response was very well put and I agreed with everything you said. Good job! 😁👍💕
@@momsaccount4033 Not sure why this is in response to my comment specifically, rather than directly to the video, but yeah, I gave up trying to get people to understand or enjoy my hobbies a long time ago, I mostly want people to realize that it's okay, and even a better way of life, to enjoy things, but somehow fun became for kids only or something and that just saddens me every time I encounter people who can't seem to comprehend that they can just like things and do the things they like, y'know? I don't even care if they like the same things I do, I just want everybody to have a good time, but so few people do it seems.
I've found that when people get older we are indoctrinated into believing that we absolutely HAVE to leave childshish things behind. And unfortunately the stigma behind animation makes it one if the first things that become a big no no as adults. As someone who watches 90% animated content. You can pry animation from my cold, dead, wrinkled hands.
Ahh, found the perfect comment that goes well with my thoughts.
So, what sets adults and kids apart is that adults are just better actors, despite never growing up. And since we're all children inside we can legitimately enjoy things that's made for kids
Bless you for saying exactly my thoughts on this subject! I've always said to my mom that when I die and hopefully cremated that my plushies/stuffed animals will be cremated along with me to go with me into the afterlife, lol. 😂
I completely agree
I've always liked CS Lewis' take on this topic myself: Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.
@@chiblast100x I was coming hear to quote that same essay, glad to find another fan! I also really liked a couple of his other points; that to stop liking everything you liked as a child is change and not actual growth, and that as an adult with because he brought more knowledge and experience in when he read fairy tales he got more out of them.
I don’t care if it’s anime, cartoons, 2d, 3d, or anything else. I’ll always love animation!
FUCKING THANK YOU BRUH THANK YOU VERY FUCKING MUCH
"Tid"-d
I do too! I really like animation a lot, especially anime and stop-motion. Man stop-motion is INSANELY underrated...
I love the medium of animation. I did not cry for about 15 years. In that time I saw The Note Book, Where the Red Fern Grows, and Titanic. They all failed to make me cry. (So did Iron Giant and Bambi but that beside the point). What did get me to cry for the first time was a MLP Fan animation that showed the emotional battle between the Princesses of Sun and Moon, they are sisters. One fights out of jealousy and rage, the other fight to protect there nation and feels that what her sister has become is her fault. The animation is called Lullaby for a Princess.
I will change this trend with my animated series, Creations, a hard driving story telling r rated show showing the humanity of our times. This is what I'm going to do when I graduate from college.
Honestly, I prefer to watch animated stuff over live-action shows.
What abut puppetry?
@@Johnlindsey289 Same thing
I can't watch either for too long. That's why I don't get the hate for animation being adapted. Like it's only done bad when they don't care
@@pickedceasar1216 because a lot of the time they don't care like you just said.
@@mr_indie_fan I guess I wasn't clear enough. I'm talking about the hate for the premise of a live action adaptation.
I get why people are hesitant about them but I don't get hating on it conceptually
For me, Bojack Horseman is the most well-written show I have ever seen period.
And it's about an animated talking horse.
No different than Duckman?
I would have NEVER expected Discord to sponsor people lmao
Same. I am somewhat confused. Seriously, how many people watching this video aren't already active users of Discord?
@@Patrickwardt exactly 😂
@@Patrickwardt literally everyone
this is the least useful sponsor I have ever seen.
I was thinking the exact same thing
For as long as we can remember, humanity has been in love with storytelling. Animation is just another way of doing it
Indeed
Which is better
@@mackmenezes4912 different
When I was a kid, I was always a little frustrated that adults looked at cartoons as childish and too silly to ever consider changing the channel to CN or Nickelodeon. Or if they were ever around any of me or my friends watching and caught a deep moment, or a more “mature” joke the reaction was always “holy crap, they put THIS into a kids show!?”
Now that I am an adult and all of my friends are too, 80 percent of them wouldn’t consider watching a cartoon that isn’t something raunchy aimed at an adult audience, and when I know deep down they would absolutely love a lot of modern cartoons if they put their preconceived notions aside for just a minute. It’s just disappointing.
Fully agree
Yeah and I hate how people who watch anime and have to endure the same criticisms still denounce cartoons as for kids. Like the hypocrisy is bonkers.
Note for myself: America has the wrong conception of what it means to be “mature.” Their baseline is merely graphic scenes or vulgar language, the level of (directly) disturbing content. Japan holds a more practical meaning: “mature” is primarily defined as the complexity, nuance, or difficulty of the story and understanding it. Lesser consideration is given to graphic content, which is why a bloody horrifying story like AoT can be presented to young teens, while something like March Comes in Like a Lion is directed towards older audiences for its deep presentation of depression, anxiety and self-hate despite being family-friendly content, with many silly scenes included.
Other countries too, especially if they are third world (and probably second world) then Anime would be super difficult
I think one of the best (Or worst, depending on who you ask) examples of what you’re talking about in regards to American standards of maturity is DC’s Titans.
Eh... I kinda disagree with this. Pretty much 3 out of 5 times I try reading a seinen manga, it usually is saturated with extreme levels of gore, vulgarity, and sex (usually someone being raped in fan-servicey way). There are definitely some amazing "mature" Japanese anime/manga that don't rely on that, but there are plenty that do.
Not sure if using Japan as if it stands out regarding mature media is very correct. I think most countries judge their media by the same traits, but the overall audience and people absolutely acknowledge what actually makes the content they consume mature or not. AoT and 3Gatsu are both geared towards teenagers.
Pantyshots are cool. I love them.
Klaus punched me in the heart in the way that no film, animated or otherwise, had in a long time. Without wishing to spoil much, when a certain character overcomes a language barrier and her gift is finally delivered, the scene that follows had me so choked up I was struggling to breathe.
16:12 never forget that they made a literal Batman animated series that had more serious tones than the Batman live action films that came out around that time
@Tin Watchman one doesn't even need to go that far. the LEGO Batman movie gave us one of the most complete versions of Batman despite being one of the most immature and bizare batmen outthere outside of comics
@@ianr.navahuber2195 truth
I think the real stigma we need to get over as a society is that things that usually cater to children are necessarily or even usually bad. Good media is good fucking media, whatever their medium of conveyance. End of discussion.
Fully agree
I have a hard time believing animation will ever be seen as 'legitimate adult entertainment' or whatever. At least, not for a long time.
Where my dad is probably never gonna see this shit, as newer generations grow, perhaps animation will be more widely accepted by general audiences. Or at least, I fucking hope so. I cannot take another live action announcement of one of my favorite shows. One Piece is probably my favorite manga and I am SUPER AFRAID of a live action adaptation. Especially since my dad knows I love One Piece and he will probably try watching it. Seeing as these things have like a 30% success rate, I am just... ready for this trend to die. Please. I don't want to have more awkward conversations with my family.
but that is the thing, my mom cant watch anime, she doesn't get Japanese gags, and doesn't enjoy the silly part, but she loves fantasy worlds (she eats up Game of Thrones, The Mandalorian, even Umbrella Academy) and she is looking forward to the OP live action so we can "share it" since she tried watching the anime but couldn't get past buggy. I do hope OP live actions is a success so we can share such good story with our "normies" friends and family
Huh, actually expected you here ngl.
I agree, but Im also mildly hopeful for the live action One Piece since it seems to be being made by people who really care about one piece and also because this will finally be a format I can recommend to people without it being in 1000 parts. I think it could if done right be insanely good, so im hoping for the best
damn dude
@@outofsyncsamurai one piece movie would be abysmal.
This video deadass made me sob. I’m an 18 yo who plans to study animation and it’s honestly so fucking nice to hear someone talk about the profession I want to pursue as a genuine art form other than just ‘kid stuff’. Thanks dude.
Good luck with that👍 no matter what people say someone will always be on your side. For better or worse lol
A few days back me and my dad watched quite a few films together over thanksgiving break. He was a pretty big fan of Zack Snyder's "Watchmen" so we both decided to watch it together. That two and a half hour long slog was one of the worst things I've seen in awhile, and I was really shocked when my dad agreed with me on that. The night after we both agreed to watch "Howl's moving castle", and it was one of the best experiences I've had watching a movie with him. There's something so magical about what good art can do to you.
Your dad has great taste. Just goes to show how animation can be really enjoyable when done right
Neither of my parents like anime, but I've tried showing them various shows that I thought they would like. I gave up after they sat through A Silent Voice with me (in English I should add), when they said the story was good but they just couldn't get into it because it wasn't live action. If that movie can't do it, then nothing can. For some people it really is just the medium they dislike, and it can take flexibility to find things you both enjoy. They've showed me tons of great films, for example.
"Do we really need to see Tony Tony Chopper as a real live reindeer?"
Not gonna lie, that was hilarious.
Have you heard that they're touching yu yu hakusho?! The reason why it worked is because of the exaggeration that animation gives it and it's all the same medium...plus the wigs don't look like wigs.
@@history_loves_anime8927 oh God no......
Japanese movies in a nutshell
@@nekonomicon2983 Unfortunately yes. I've seen all the announcements for it and I'm crying in horror for it. How dare they touch my favourite demon pair!!!
The live action attack on titan look pretty good. But the story was way different and very uninspired
I still remember when I was 14 or so and I wanted to see The Lego Movie 2: The Second Part in theaters. My mom immediately told me "You should see it with your brother!". I went to him (who is older than me by a year and a half) and I was so worried he'd think to himself that I'm so childish, but I invited him anyway. The whole week I was extremely worried of what he'd think of me.
The day of the movie night comes and we go and watch it together. Lo and behold, that's what the movie is about. Worrying about being grown up is in and of itself a very childish thing. And taste doesn't define how adult you are either. So even if my brother ended up only enjoying the movie moderately, that shouldn't stop me from enjoying it thoroughly. And we both ended up buying new lego sets afterwards, both of which still hang around in our rooms.
That's what makes the Lego Movies good: they understand why people like building with them and show it doesn't matter how old you are to want to do it, rather than just being a glorified 90-minute toy commercial.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 hell yeah man. my uncle loves building legos he enjoys more than his kids lol
Oh HELL yes. A 23 minute rant about this is just what I was craving!
Just scroll down the comments & see how well thought and spoken everyone is from the community they created & compelling stories they lived and grown into with more existential & relevant themes & concepts of life provoqued & discussed better then I've ever seen in a live action movie
I absolutely love animation, even to the point where any time I see a fluid motion, I am completely shocked. I remember being in awe when I first saw what Street Fighter 3 looked like for the first time last year. I’m taking an animation class in my school and I love it. Though it may be frustrating with this project I’m doing, the animations are looking good even if they are basic
I recently watched Gravity Falls for the first time ever. I think that show is another excellent example of the potential that animation has- lovable characters, impossible weirdness, and plenty of personality that could never be truly shown in live action.
I love Gravity Falls!
Oh man, this is the sort of thing I’m always talking about when it comes to animation. So many of the live action remakes are just spitting in the face of the originals because instead of embracing what makes those beautiful and unique and enchanting, they focus just on making things look “real”. It’s like they don’t trust their audience to have imagination, or are tricking them into thinking more detail = higher quality when it doesn’t!
God I’m so glad I was never afraid to love animation and “children’s cartoons” because there is so much joy and love found in them. And it finally seems like the western animation world is catching up with the idea that children can handle complex narratives and long term plots. We’re getting more and more shows that follow in ATLAs footsteps, tackling heavy topics and long running plot threads with the respect their audience deserves.
And before ATLA, we had shows like gargoyles, the DCAU, etc. That had mature themes that anyone could enjoy.
@@TheEnigmaticBM39 yeah absolutely. I think those shows came on later than Teen Titans and ATLA, so I didn’t see them as often, (so ATLA and TT were much more formative for me) but animation is such a good medium and it’s a crying shame that there’s this push away from it in order to make things more “adult”
Agreed! I feel like I'd take less offense if they simply wouldn't use the same name or just added on a subtitle to divorce the remake from the source material. I can't get mad at something like that Teen Titans GO show 'cause I know they're trying to do something different with it/ it's obvious. Remakes can't help but be compared to the originals, and remakes can only be justified if they improve apon the original or ADD something new. Rubs people the wrong way when the "new and improved" whatever is dumbed down and stripped of the things that made it unique.
It's also something you find in other sorts of adaptions too. Lindsy Ellis touches on it in her video Why Is Cats? The director for both the horror that is 2019s Cats and Les Miserable focused more on bridging the gap to make it grittier and real, when the heart and charm of both wasnt in that, they were musicals that had quirks and charm in the music and in the culture of broadway or in book form. They rose up from their origins to begin with because the charm was adapted well and when it was added to it maintained the core of what made it charming to its audience originally. You can have adaptions that are more akin to "inspirations" the way many fairytales are, but you have to make clear the "twist" is not the medium its in, but in the story telling end what elements of the story it chooses to examine.
Anyways to bring it back, its annoying when something like anime is judged by its adaption rather than it's original medium, especially when the adaption is widely considered insultingly bad by the fans of the original. You can like the adaption, but just realize it's not a reflection positively or negatively on the original.
I am more cynical and believe they make it "real" because it's cheaper. Fantastic outfits every episode? Nah, just put them in jeans and say it's More Relatable
What is Everybody's favorite episode from Avatar: The Last Airbender?
I pick the Tales from Ba Sing Se from Book 2. It's a point in the season where the main squad has the chance to rest/reflect on their adventure so far. The separate interaction among the characters give the audience time to see what they do when the plot is put on pause for a little while.
Thank u 4 the Heart Jeff. Keep Going my good man.
It's so hard to pick one because there are so many great episodes, but if i had to pick one i'd probably say Zuko Alone, I love the backstory on Zuko and seeing how messed up his childhood was.
That episode is well done. It feels like the opening episode to a show about a protagonist with a messed up background, trying to change his possible future from going down a dark path set up from previous events.
probably the blind bandit xD for me, nothing can beat her beast of an introduction
@@lowkcha2183 Clap, Clap, Clap, Clap, Clap, Clap, Clap, Clap, Clap, Clap, Clap, Clap,. Yeah Toph did *rock*. Im gone.
As an animator that hates whenever an animated property is dragged into a live-action remake, the current situation is driving me to murder.
It always makes me so sad when my parents dismiss anything animated as "kiddy garbage" everytime I reccomend something to them or they walk in on me watching anything animated and tell me to "change it to something good" or "oh, you're just watching crap" or "can we watch a real show please?" As they turn on big bang theory reruns for the millionth time.
It honestly breaks my heart everytime and I hope when I'm a parent I can sit and watch animated shows that I enjoy and also put aside any ego or preconceived notions to watch newer shows my kids enjoy. I never want to be the parent that shames their kids for enjoying something.
Kinda different, but I’ve been getting into musicals during the lockdown and I feel that arguments against animation are similar to the ones against musicals. Not in the intended audience (though there’s something of an overlap), but in the tone; people dismiss musicals as silly and cheesy. Which 1) there are some that aren’t (ever seen Cabaret or Sweeney Todd?) and 2) even the ones that are silly and cheesy have enjoyable music and may even hit with some feels.
Dismissing entire art forms because of stereotypes robs you of the opportunity to enjoy some brilliant works.
The timing of this video is amazing. I was literally having a huge discussion with my parents about how Star Wars: The Clone Wars is entertaining even for adults after my dad said that this was a kid’s show. I’m going to show them this video.
Show them a video called “clone wars is a kids show” It’s a compilation of all the brutal killings they do set to music
I remember when clone wars the film came out and my dad actually wanted to see it because he was a star wars fan in fact we watched all of them. I even brought him to see the newer ones and he really liked the film however he didn't watch the series lol
While other people like to give dark things, like Berserk, Attack on Titan, and Akira, as examples for how animation isn't just for kids, or if they want to steer away from gory stuff they'll go for things like Avatar that are for everyone, not just kids, I prefer to give things like A Place Further Than the Universe as an example. There's absolutely nothing in that show that kids couldn't watch, but what kid is compelled by the fear of stagnation, of living your life stuck in the boring grind of day-to-day life, of being unable to put yourself out there and enjoy things? A Place Further Than the Universe shows that stories don't need to be adult to be mature, while encouraging people to break out of their adult shells and live life to its fullest. Or in other words, all the things people who you'd be having this talk with need most.
If There wasn't such heavy (and sometimes questionable) fanservice, I would 10/10 times recommend no game no life because of how interesting the concept is and how the series handles its conflicts. It surprisingly has a good message of weakness not being one's deciding factors in life.
People can't accept that cute looking, bright things can be used as means of maturity. This is especially so in girly stuff. You get brushed aside if you're too childish/girly, vanilla, average. That's why people try to rebel by being grim, dark, shocking and edgy (maybe except Japan, who had a cute kind of rebellion, the "kawaii" culture); We don't want to be seen as weak or average so we attempt to strengthen ourselves by being as "different" as possible.
This then affects the media we consume which is then reflected in the movies that's put out and eaten up.
Aside from also liking horror, why else do we darkify Spongebob with "dark theories", make pokemon creepypastas and other "this terrible, tragic, scary thing happened to this one kid show"?
The reality is, we don't need to get rid of everything childish to grow up.
*"It is normal, good and healthy-even, for adults to enjoy things made for kids."* (13:18)
I think I'm so much happier after finding Korone because she is enjoying herself so much with the stuff she plays and watches. She's silly and get excited and while being adorable as heck she is just enjoying herself. I think I kind of forgot to just enjoy myself consuming the content I like instead of being hyper critical of everything.
"I've come to realize, what appealed to me about Snyder's movies and a lot of the stuff I was into in my late teens and early 20s was the AESTHETIC of maturity: the violence, the swearing, the horny; things that signified the media that it was "not for children" which freed me to watch the action figures bang together without worrying about how I would look to my peers."
This hits the point hard. I feel most of society that dismisses anime is way too focused on this AESTHETIC, and throws animation along in with it, unless it blatantly flaunts other parts of this "adult" aesthetic.
How do you feel about stuff like Akira and Ninja Scroll?
"The last 10 minutes of Anohana... or the first 10 minutes of Up"
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
How to make a grown man blubber in 600 seconds.
One of my biggest fears about getting older is the day where I will lose interest in the things I love today. Stuff like Games, Anime, Manga etc. but most importantly, losing my fantasies and imaginations. I do pity those who can't enjoy these ''childish'' things and don't have any (childhood) fantasy/imagination, or are too afraid to show them to others. I think any form of escapism is a really important thing in today's mess of a society.
Your never too old for Anime
Especially if you need a break from stress
I'll never forget that one clip of that guy from Collider who said Into the Spiderverse would have been vastly improved if it were in live action. I wonder if he watched it with his eyes closed...
Yeah screw that guy honestly.
Spiderverse was a love letter to comic books and that couldn’t have been achieved in live action.
@@HushSkunk Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man was absolutely a love letter to the 60s Spider-Man comics. It can definitely be done in live-action, it’s just that some, like Spider-Verse, work better in animation.
''When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up''
I've been trying to explain this to my mother. She never gives animation a fair chance unless it's Christmas movies, Pixar, Dreamworks, or Disney. My brother and I got her to sit through ALTA, but she kept calling it a kiddie show and dumb except for the slapstick bits. Of course she slept or played games on her tablet 75% of the time. So of course she missed the nuance and dark parts and how great it got over time. She had an abusive stepparent, so how did she not see what was going on with Zuko's family dynamic? Or haha Azula's crazy. People have professionally diagnosed her mental health. I tried anime next. It was either too kiddie or "just terrible." Nothing went over PG-13 and I pulled critically acclaimed, widely loved series with different tones. She watches equally or more intense stuff in live action, but has huge double standards. She decided she didn't like anime categorically after 15 episodes split between 2 entries. THOUSANDS of entries she judges before even looking at them. Then she questions my character for being interested in anime. I get anime can be a minefield for the uninitiated and I walked into the dark parts by accident more than once at first. I know what I like and what to avoid now. I can't win with her. I'm not even going to bother trying with my dad. He's even more stubborn and judgmental than her.
Animation is another, equally valid art form with its own strengths and weaknesses. There is trash and there is treasure. Enjoyment isn't limited to specific ages. Same for live action. It is frustrating that American animation tends to be PG or MA with little in between. Japanese anime goes the full spectrum.
Klaus is in my top 5 Christmas movies of all time. It needs more attention.
You should show your mum cartoons like Adventure time or Steven Universe. Two shows that are way more mature and deep than any adult cartoon out there
Adults always think that if it’s animated it’s “childish” but most times they are more mature than any adult show out there
I watched death note, anne of green gable..... with my mom and now i am watching attack on titan and demon slayer with her. I do watch animes alone too like naruto and my hero academia....... but watching some animes with my mom makes the anime more memorable.
You should start with relatable stories like Wolf Children and A Silent Voice
@@adarshkrishna6434 if she doesn't get a little sad during that scene in silent voice, she might not be human
I think a really recent and great example of a cartoon aimed for kids that treats with a lot of serious stuff it's "Infinity Train" (no, it's not Demon Slayer), it's an anthology series about people getting trapped in a train with no end in which every car contains it's own little world, each season has diferent protagonists. Without spoiling much, the show deals with a lot of different themes, such as divorce and how it affects children, the fear of change, identity, toxic friendships, morality, fear of the unknown, etc. In one of the episodes two characters literally have a funeral. The show talks about all this themes in a way that is easy for kids AND adults to understand, it also has a really interesting plot with mysteries and great worldbuilding, the characters are really likable and also feel real and relatable and it has an amazing soundtrack and animation.
This show is one of the best animated shows in recent years and it deserves way more attention than it gets, please go watch the show, there are 3 seasons so far (hopefully), each season has 10 episodes of 11 minutes each so is relly easy to binge, you won't regret it.
Sounds interesting. Where can it be watched? Like, Netflix or a similar platform?
@@erufailon4723 It's on HBO Max, it used to air on Cartoon Network (the first 2 seasons) but they moved it to HBO Max, if you don't want to pay for the service you can use the free trial, it only takes 6 hours to finish all 3 seasons but it's SO worth it.
@@diegoandresbaldelomarpinto8367 Oh. We don't have HBO Max in my country, but I'll try to see if it is on an another platform here
@@erufailon4723 Oh that's a shame, the show is unfortunately exclusive on HBO Max, so I think the only way to watch it outside of the US will be to pirate it, but if you don't want to do it then that's fine.
Infinity Train is one of my favorite shows ever! It needs more attention!
Thank you for including The Search for Christopher Robin. I remember revisiting that after college and being so impressed.
The 'ability to accept impossible things' is also why animated musicals work so goddamn well where live-action film musicals (stage musicals have their own 'reality filter') fall flat half the time. So many things work so much better in animation, if we could just get past the 'it's for kids' nonsense.
Kicking that stigma would also have probably saved a lot of kids some nightmares from picking up Perfect Blue, Akira, or one of those really violent pulpy OVAs at their local video store in the '90s.
*rewatching* I was also surprised by the clip from the Tom + Jerry movie, of all things. Very appropriate use, too.
I literally did a fist pump when you mentioned Kipo. WHY IS EVERYONE SLEEPING ON KIPO, THE CHEVRE SISTERS ARE AWESOME. It's like Dont Starve meets... gawd idk ATLA? I still have to watch the last season...
Yessssss. Same. Binged the shit out of that show.
@Elio that's what I was thinking but I havent watched Adventure Time so grain of salt for me.
I could be wrong, but was the art direction of the show overseen by the people who did the overall design aesthetic for Transformers Animated and Scooby Doo: Mystery Inc? Because that’s the first thing I think of whenever I see the show’s art style.
I love Kipo. It was my favorite cartoon of 2020.
@@TF2Fan101 It's not the same designer.
I am 50 and Attack on Titan (saw first episode 2019) was my introduction to Anime and I was astonished at the deep, emotional storytelling and the way the imagery was part of said storytelling with character building. I love Anime and just started getting into reading Manga, just as I love my drama movies or western "classical" novels.
you're a good man. welcome to the anime community
saw this post far too late. welcome to the anime community, honored elder
Animation really is underrated and too many people are snobbish about it, thinking it's for dumb kids or beneath them. Animation can be used for so much and really tug at the heart and mind. And I always hold to the belief it doesn't matter whether something is truly made for kids or for another gender group or not because at the end of the day, if something is interesting and good, it's good. I've held to that my whole life. And really, real life is not all drab and seriousness; we have silly and fun moments as well, so we need those as well in our media like Avatar showed.
A lot of those snobbish people have childish mentalities existing in an adult work world. Adults are "supposed" to party, drink then work and worry about debt... That's not "fun"
I just wish I could actually get this through to my mother. She rewatches and rewatches the same stuff, complains she has nothing new to watch but she completely shuts down anything I ask her to watch with me, even though I suggest stuff that is like what she already likes. It's really frustrating.
issue not just limited to anime. I honestly find it hard to watch any new anime, because i honestly just get disappointed more often than not
What you said at 8:06 applies to The Book Thief even more. I haven't actually seen Grave of the Fireflies yet but The Book Thief captures the trials of people living in Germany during WW2 so well that I cant imagine anything topping it. It is the greatest book I have ever read and I think everybody should read it. It shows so well how WW2 was horrible not only for the Jews, but for the Germans too. I'm sure that Grave of The Fireflies does it well too so pls read The Book Thief if you like it. It's like a 500 page novel but it is so worth it.
I haven't read The Book Thief but I've seen the Grave of the Fireflies and it's one of my favorite movies ever. It captures the horror of war and it's affect on everyday children perfectly. If the Book Thief fits that description too then I should read it immediately.
I read the book and watched the grave of the fireflys, and I can say that the movie is impressive and a must watch. The book is great but the impact of the GotF is outstanding.
@@gurentgc3546 The Book Thief... Yeah I remember that. I have a few classics in my head so I'm have trouble remembering what happened in that one. Is it the one with the grim reaper??? For some reason I'm thinking it has to do with a kid in the middle east escaping his country as a child and then having to come back years later.
@@harperl2 I'm not really sure what you're talking about with a middle East kid. The Book Thief is about a girl in WW2 era living in Nazi Germany. The book is narrated by Death, they're not exactly a grim reaper. You should definitely reread it because of how amazing it is. Also it's not a classic or anything it was written sometime in the 2000s I'm pretty sure.
Omgosh yes, absolutely one of my most favorite books of all time, and it also introduced me to other amazing works by Markus Zusack.
I will never understand why the notion of "animation is for children" ever really took root to begin with. Let's not forget, back when this medium first started, animated shorts, like the kind Disney were producing, were just as likely to attract adult audiences as children, and their first big film, Snow White, was so beloved by general audiences that they even had a specially-made Oscar to give to Walt for it. So clearly something happened between those early days and our modern era that caused people to have this skewed belief regarding animation 🤔
Because realistic visuals give a more mature feeling and the animated visuals feel more fantasy which usually associated with children books. I think the attempt to go live action banks on this stigma and it kinda works since most adults automatically chalk up animation as being something for children.
Fully agree
@@nekonomicon2983 But that's dumb
Realism =/=quality.
The transformers movie are awful (from the Bay era) yet the animated ones are much better, the classic series had the balls to kill off Optimus Prime, something that the movies didn't even tried.
The lion King live action movie was soo boring and lifeless exactly because of that kind of mentality.
@@wrestlinganime4life288 Which is saying something (something quiet embarrassing about the modern live action), given the animated classic was basically marketing a toy line.
However, its not that dumb. Its simply one of those ways things become associated to each other. For a whole generation or two, It was profitable and cheaper to make little cartoon shows for kids. Also, politicians wanted to use them to sell pro-social messages. All of this worked to built the perception that "animation is for kids".
@@nekonomicon2983 A lot of adults (at least here in the west) have a very skewed definition for something being mature.
To the west, being mature means you can stomach things like graphic descriptions, blood/gore, etc. To boil it down, the meaning of maturity here in the west is more about the physical and visceral aspect of it, but not the emotional aspect of it.
Meanwhile in the East (more specifically, Japan), the definition of maturity (to them) means having the emotional (not just the physical) strength to stomach things like severe depression, stress of life and other mental issues such as dealing with horrible upbringings and overall, being a mentally sound and decent person; things that the physical dimension of maturity (that the west is more focused on) never truly addresses.
I would want to write an entire argument about how the west and east differ with their approach to optimized entertainment, but I don't want to needlessly rant here.
I think with animation, it's the things that you can't do in live-action that really hit. Things like the lighting or the stylization. Being free from the real world opens up a lot of possibilities. Into the Spider-verse would not work as a live-action movie. Sure, its plot could be done, but its style, the absolutely stunning work the animators put in wouldn't work. The colors, the clashing art styles, the choppy movement, the exaggerated comic book aesthetic....that doesn't translate. And then there's Moriarty the Patriot, which uses its lighting to represent bloodlust and paints the entire frame red.
It’s not so much that live action adaptations are the problem. Detective Pikachu is a clear exception to the rules & as a kid I always wanted to see what my favorite cartoons looked like brought to life. The problem is that the crews working on these adaptations either seem to have the “animation is for kids” mindset or they try to make everything look too dark & edgy since they think it’ll make them look more mature.
What they need are people who are true fans of the franchises to work on these adaptations so they can accurately bring these stories into the real world, not lose sight of what made them so beloved in the first place, and inspire a whole new group of fans
"Attack on Titan is literally a cartoon made for children."
Me:*Has flashbacks of the blood, gore, themes of suffering and death* Wait a minute-
Geoff: * explains *
Me: You're . . . Right.
i also watch watch sin city and 300 when i was a kid, and i even didn't care the amount of R rated shit from it i just enjoy for what it is. Even frank miller admited he just wanted to make his own over the top version of noir films and epic greek stories it wasn't suppoust to taken that serious compare to the dark knight returns or watchmen (things that snyder failed to adapt)
@@motor4X4kombat watchmen is considered a classic by many...but it is your opinion after all.
@@TheEnigmaticBM39 no watchmen is mostly good because of alan moore's writting, and snyder "cool shit" style kinda contradict the purpuse of the original story , by making the action cool as shit insted of brutal and realistic like in the comics, or the costumes Sexy and cool looking insted of cheap and ugly representing the idea of how dumb Is asking broken people with silly outfits to be above the law (and of course changing the ending, for every aspect that feells faithfull, the unfaithfull take over and create a diferent meaning (its kinda like if in Lord of the rings they adapt important aspect from the book to latter change the ending for no apparent reason outside of "itz not cool", with Is snyder main issue). Patrick h Williams talks about this In his video of the R rated superhero movies. If i want to see snyder bullshit done right, i would watch the boys.
PS: fuck the snyder cut.
With a 16+ rating...
Same reaction just READING the comment
I am ready now...
XD
In the immortal words of C. S. Lewis, a story worth reading only in childhood is not worth reading even than. He has a lot of good quotes relevant to this video but I think that is my favourite
I watch shows for toddlers when I'm sad. I'm almost 29. Why? Because they're fucking wholesome and kind. Everyone needs a bit of wholesome in their life.
Sorry this is long, it accidentally became a rant.
Thank you, I'm on the verge of tears. I'm home from college for the holidays and I'm stuck sharing the TV in the living room because mine is back at my dorm. I keep trying so hard to share things that will appeal to me (19 y/o college student), my little brother (6 y/o), and my parents (both in 40s), but my parents keep complaining because "cartoons are for kids and you need to grow up". My mom won't even pay attention to Avatar but she has the audacity to get interested in a fight and ask what's happening. It's ironic because instead of watching, she's coloring pictures on her phone something else that's "for kids". And when my dad puts on a boring live action movie and everyone leaves because it's boring!? I don't understand. I try to put on something everyone will enjoy (if they pay attention) and I'm called stupid, but someone else can pick out something that doesn't appeal to anyone and that makes them an adult??? The weirdest part is I'm trying to include my little brother as part of the family by choosing anime or cartoons, but my parents don't even consider him and just tell him to watch UA-cam on his phone. It's like family time doesn't even exist... and they wonder why I'm always in my room alone.
Damn, rip. Try to show them through emotion that they're wrong, try to convince them hard enough, and maybe it'll work. Also tell your little brother separately why what they're telling him to do is dumb (and, idk, maybe keep reassuring him that you're right I guess) and he should come around.
Put on a silent voice in your tv and make them sit and watch it with you. I bet they will end up crying their eyes out.
i know the feeling man. honestly i wouldn't worry about it. if your family doesn't understand why you like animation then the hell on them. let them think what they want to think it doesn't mean you should not like it. if you enjoy it then that's your business.
Dang “Weathering With You” hit me hard right in the feels...
"Animation is for everyone" is something I preach to the people around me on a regular basis, mostly because it's a very underdeveloped concept where I come from. Every time I say the word 'cartoon' I get made fun of, and it breaks my heart to see people shitting on the wonderful medium of animation, not only because I adore it, but because literally anything is possible in animation--that's the beauty of it. You can tell mind-bending stories with physics-breaking visuals and an emotional sincerity that you can't get in any other medium, and all of it gets dismissed because "it isn't realistic." Yeah. No shit. Most fiction isn't, at least not completely. You don't need a gritty layer of realism for sothing to be "mature"; You don't need a bleak, pessimistic message to be "adult"; in fact, the idea that something mature can't be silly and lighthearted is childish in and of itself. That's why a fluffy cartoon with silly gags and bright colors is capable of telling a deep, profound story and why its drab, edgy remake will probably feel like someone went "lets do the same thing but with sex and murder and without any of the fun parts" and it'll most likely be an insulting dumpster fire.
I hate the “it’s not realistic” argument. action movies are one of the most popular genre’s if not the most popular especially for adults and they have the most over the top non-realistic stuff in it but that’s why it’s cool it’s unexpected and exaggerated that’s what makes it fun and great and animation is all about exaggeration you can make almost anything from it animation is great because it’s unrealistic
The problem with making an animated show live action is that the animation itself is part of the appeal of the show. It allows characters to express themselves in unique ways that set them apart and make impossible feats look possible. TLDR; fuck live action
*fuck people who think live action makes it “better” or “more mature”
@@fictthecreator7083 you said it better
Two words...Fullmetal Alchemist
I’m with you I think directors need to do better when making live action films or shows that are based off video games, books, manga, anime or animated series.
I agree I hate those live action versions of animated films
They were animated for a reason
OK hot take: MCU would've been great animated, (even though it probably would've flopped) I mean think how badass Thor, Iron man, Captain America V. Thanos could've been.
there are several animated cartoons, a couple of them have pretty good cuality, so yeah, i kinda agree
@@unapersonaquerespira7480 Wasn't there one episode where Black Widow is essentially a vampire?
@@history_loves_anime8927 And runs into a mirror, yes. It crossed over with the Ultimate Spiderman TVshow that Drake Bell was a part of and where we get Deadpool at honestly some of his best
I disagree. Marvel has a history of not being very good with animation but great with live-action. DC,however is the exact opposite where they are great at animation but bad with live-action. I think marvel made the right choice,given it's history. They fucked up scarlet witch,though.
Someone used Naruto voice clips on it
Imagine it in the same art style!
My discord has a Zelda channel called cut grass and do pot, and a Mario channel called hopped up on shrooms. We're mature.
If avatar didn’t have a childish side to it it would be more like some edgy angsty mature anime, not saying it would be bad but all the really intense and touching stuff in avatar would feel trihard
It's sad that getting a live action adaptation seems to be the next "logical" step and only then garners wide attention while animated shows are seen as a lesser version
My dad doesn't really get animation for the most part, and he basically stopped watching it once I started coming to him with an interest in more adult movies (he has a veritable library of great Westerns and War films). However, with that said, there was a very cool experience I had with him one time. We went on a trip to Lake Michigan for the day a few summers ago, and went to a local Ice Cream shop before we went home. While in there a couple that seemed to be in their mid-twenties came in, and the woman had a VERY cool upper arm tattoo of San from Princess Mononoke. I expressed the sentiment and the three of us talked about Studio Ghibli movies for a bit. In the parking lot we found they had parked right next to us, and they had several Ghibli rear window stickers. Once in the car, my dad asked me about Studio Ghibli and I explained to him a bit of the history of the studio and some of their films, including how Spirited Away won the Academy Award for Best Animated Feature. Not thinking anything would come of it, I didn't think any more of it. Then one day I was house sitting for him, and saw that he had rented Spirited Away from the library. When he returned, he said that he really enjoyed it much more than he thought he would. On a whim, I lent him my copies of Attack on Titan, and he has also enjoyed that series quite a lot. If you know what a person is looking for in media you can EASILY find an anime to match their tastes. Sometimes they can even surprise you with something neither of you thought they would like.
THREE MB UPLOADS RELATIVELY CLOSE TO EACHOTHER?
Must be christmas
Thanks man this made my day! :D
SOMEONE FINALLY TALKED ABOUT HILDA! This show is so good, I cannot stress this enough
It’s one of my favorite cartoons of all time
In this corner of the world was also a good portrayal WW2 from a Japanese civilian perspective.
thats a good film i agree.
All our shows since we were kids: *exists*
Netflix: *The boogie-man is here*
EXACTLY!! My 63 year old Mom is hooked HARD on anime BECAUSE it deals with heavy, real-life issues better & more tastefully than just about anything American life-action TV has in about 30 years. And she doesn't even LIKE American cartoons.
Personally, I have pretty much abandoned life-action stuff entirely cuz I just relate to anime better than just about any other medium I've ever encountered, including all those dry, dusty doorstop novels i read as a kid which i thought made me look "grown up."
Great job, Geoff! Couldn't have said it better myself!
your mom is fucking cool. i can't even get my parents to watch anime lol i think my mom watched death note and was like it was good but after that she lost interest in other animes.
Your mum is so based
She should watch Violet Evergarden.
I still remember the drive home from The Last Airbender movie. I still consider it the moment I transitioned from an optimistic child to a cynical angry teenager.
I just finished adventure time recently. A story that has things to say about nuclear fear, romance, family, existential horror, and time. It does all this in 11 mins an episode. I feel like it's later seasons are criminally under rated (not helped by the fact That CN doesn't seem to like showing more than 4 shows at a time and the never kept a consistent schedule during the back half of the show's life. In fact that show has spawned a ton of other great animated shows infinity train, over the garden wall, ok ko, Clarence, summer camp island, Greg of the creek, and Steven universe. It's a highly influential show, and has amazing world building, characters, and songs. Not all of it works and it kinda meanders a bit, but it's still one of the strongest animated shows.
I would also say the same thing about venture brothers. One of the best superhero parodies out there. It's an animated show, but it's one of the most adult, most human shows out there with a story that deals with legacy, bureaucracy, and does it 10 times better than the boys in my opinion. A show that tackles a lot of the same themes, but is live action.
There’s this great quote that I think every parent should tell their child.
“When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty, I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.” C S Lewis
We are all children. Some of people choose to hide this.
Facts
We are all neotenous apes. Of course we are all children
we all are man we just try so hard to hide it. me i'll always be young at heart
I love both cartoon, anime and hanime animation equally
Holup
What i love so much about animation is that you can really do anything. It's just this open medium where anything you can think of and anything you can create, you can make. Anything that you could do in live-action, you can also do it with animation and make it better. I think that animation will always allow for more expressive and more creative stories :)
I love animation, I always loved it. It's so frustrating seeing people saying it's for kids and easily dismissing great pieces of art just because it's a cartoon. I'd rather spend hours watching a great animation like Avatar or Anohana than a crappy "mature" live action
Or a "mature" cartoon like Family Guy or South Park. Both those shows are truly for kids
"Embrace the cringe... ...go watch some good fucking cartoons" that one hit me in the feels.
My son met his partner half a world away on discord, the whole family uses discord, and I'm 64, PS I love Animation, and always have.
Boomer: Anime is for children
Me: *shows them Re:Zero*
Boomer: Anime is for the insane
Boomer, THAT IS A MIRROR...
I’d show them Sarazanmai
most boomers nowadays wouldn't understand anime because back then they didn't have alot of exposure to animation like today thats why they're so critical. I wouldn't take those geezers seriously
@@Nintendofan781 Most boomer like anime some not all
Animation isn’t a genre, it doesn’t have to target children. In fact, the best ones don’t have to target them. Anything that could happen in live action movies can happen in animation, perhaps even more.
Edit: I’ve made a severe lapse of my judgement
You're missing the point: being for adults (animation or otherwise) doesn't make it better by default. I've seen recent cartoons like Sofia the first and tangled the series that TRAMPLE a lot of "adult" cartoons in every,possible way and i would much rather watch one of those than watch,say berserk. The target audience doesn't dictate it's quality: it's own merits do and that's the point of this video.
Fully agree, starter
in fact, way, way more
I think you missed the point of the video dude. Animation can be aimed at any age group, I totally agree with that. But one of the main points the video is getting across is that the age group a show is aimed at doesn’t indicate its quality. A show aimed at kids can be way better than a show aimed at adults, and vice versa. If you’re not into any kids shows, that’s totally cool and valid- that style isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. But don’t count them out just for being aimed at kids, you know?
@@JT5555 yeah but thats just how they make it but generally animation is for everyone it shouldn't be just for one demographic. the misconception of how it is labeled is based on the lack of logic the executives have for the medium.
I’ve always thought that is what makes avatar great. It’s tells a mature story with a fun kid friendly face instead of an immature “kid” with a grim “serious” adult face.
Making animation is bloody hard but so is live-action. Time, resources, money and care are essential to making an excellent work. Sure, someone COULD make an animation or film but without the proper care, you’d end up with a very embarrassing work.
Sure, there are lots of memorable classic live-action and animated works but the passion has to be there. You absolutely showed that even with stuff aimed at kids that they can still strike gold and make something powerful and unforgettable.
There’s a reason there’s a lot of awful animated and live-action works that are regularly shown on UA-cam reviews. When the passion isn’t there, it’s obvious. They are few and far between but they exist and it can be off-putting knowing they can potentially put some off the mediums. It‘s more that we care a lot about the mediums and want to see them improve.
Caring about what we’re making can lead to incredible works of art. I see that in both live action works and animation.
Spirited Away is one of the best animated film ever period.
Silent voice-
@@alacatooo "one of the best"
One of the absolute best too. Spider-Verse and Lion King are also very close.
@@Retrixy my apologies, didn’t read properly ^^
Is one of the best films period. And most beautiful.
Personal, as an mid-20s-years-old black woman who has always and forever been a giant lover of animated movies or cartoons as well as both anime and manga. Animation in general should be appreciated way more with respect as a storytelling medium instead of being seen as only a genre or something for "silly little kids" when it just as capable of having captivating moments, believable intense emotional weight, relatable also well-written characters that can move you and make you feel for them even though there just drawings. While I do love me my regular live action shows /movies & all, nothing can beat the highly unlimited vast creative potential as well as imagination when it comes to anything involving animation; I've have never ever felt ashamed over anything I watch or enjoyed in terms of seeing children cartoons or adult animated series because mostly who gives a damn about what other people think...if certain "adults" actual think less of me because I love seeing kids cartoons like ROTTMNT, Summer camp island, Kipo, Adventure time, Steven universe, Craig of the Creek, or in terms of adult toons like Bojack or Tuca & Bertie also Final Space because they view any adult that watches stuff like that as "stunted immature freaks" then they can go screw themselves cause there far too up their own judgemental, uptight, boring butts to even enjoy or simply have fun with something because it's not "sophisticatlly Grown up" enough for them.
Kipo and Final Space are gold
@@ceve Of course they are, especially Final Space which is a very good but also underrated adult animated show.
I’m not sure how you being a black woman is relevant to liking cartoons. Surely they’re a universal thing?
@@Ubersupersloth Does me proclaiming am a black woman bother's you much for you to mention it within your reply, perhaps the reason why I said is because usually anything involving fandom related spaces especially in terms of anime or cartoons series or when it comes to reading manga /comics black women as well as black girls aren't rarely seen or thought of being fans of those types of things. Those within both parts of the black community & by certain white people that's view any black person being into content they deem as Nerd culture or things like fandom as a whole...even if you do have fans of color or black fans period, the majority of fandom tends to be seen as a very white thing. thus me being into those things I can be looked at as not being "Black enough" or seen as a "Oreo" or were am put into a box cause of racist stereotypes & treated a certain way for being a black girl into said media. But that's a whole another thing altogether.
@@DI-QueenmoEMino I have never known that stereotype. Is that really something people think?
Without that knowledge, it made about as much sense as someone saying “as a left handed blonde haired person...”
Edit: Sounds like there are a lot of racist people in your life if you can be deemed to not act “black enough” (like being black means you should act a certain way or like certain things) by many of them. Fuck ‘em. They seem like assholes anyway.
This stigma against anime and animation being for children is weird for me, because where I'm from, everybody grew up on dubbed anime and cartoons. My siblings, my cousins, my parents, my uncles and aunts, a majority of us grew up on many classic dubbed animes. So this stigma towards anime isn't really as prominent, like adults could see some animation as childish, but it's not really too much of a problem here.
(NETFLIX announces Live-Action about Winx Club)
People start raising pitches and forks and torches
(NETFLIX adds "The Spectacular Spider-Man" cartoon to its catalog. At least in Latin America)
People: You got lucky this time. Everything is forgiven