WHY DID STAR WARS FANS CRACK?
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2024
- Fans of Star Wars have been called all kinds of names, and get a bad reputation. I think most of us are just passionate and misunderstood.
Why does this stigma follow these fans around?
Being an older Star Wars Fan and knowing hundreds, if not thousands of SW fans most of my life, I decided to dive deep into finding out why.
Where did it start? How did it get to where it is? What part of the fan-base is misunderstood? I answer all these questions and more including, why did Star Wars Fans crack?!?
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"Nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans"
- Yes because we CARE. Why would people unfamiliar with this franchise had any reason to hate it? That works for every fanbase.
Yes! Totally agree! We care! If we didn't, we wouldn't say anything!
Thanks for watching and for your awesome comment! 🙂👍👍
They say the same thing about Fallout fans, and Marvel fans, and WH40K fans; basically any franchise that the "MeDiA" has dug it's vulture-talons into within the past decade or so. I am starting to believe it's a cope from "journalists" and the twitterati to demean and delegitimize our very real and very salient points about culture commodification.
@@BrickHive i better stop caring about star wars... so I can love star wars. thanks for warning me... I almost started caring.
So, George said he made greedo shoot so that kids understood Han no choice but to kill him.
Um, hello?? For 20 years anyone who watched the movie could understand Han had no choice. Greedo had a gun on him, and even implied he was going to shoot him rather than take him in alive. Even as a kid I understood this. George just thinks kids are stupid. Some kids are, but most kids would get it.
‘04 DVD was my first time, as a kid I always just thought Han was the “faster cowboy” when he and Greedo had their blasters trained on each other.
Agreed! Thank you for watching and your excellent comment!
Agreed, Han was already trying to talk him down, he advised Greedo that he would get the money from the job. Greedo however was having none of it leaving Han with no choice to eliminate him. I was 6 years old when I saw the movie in 1977 and it was quite clear that there was no other choice.
On top of that, it was clear throughout the movie that Han was NOT a good guy initially and Luke had to convince Han that there would be a large reward for rescuing Leia before he would agree to the risk. Han's main purpose was to look out for himself and pay off Jabba to get the bounty lifted. It was only after their adventure in the Death Star that enough of a bond had developed that Han had developed enough of a conscience to come and save the day.
It would be the further adventures and the rescue of Han from Jabba that would finally complete his transformation into the good guy.
Han shooting Greedo was a huge deal for his character as an anti-hero. It showed him to be a violent and ruthless man who would do anything to survive. This creates tension going forward. Is he going to betray Luke and Kenobi? What will he do when he has to choose between risking his life and helping them?
Turning it into a clear case of self defense removed those questions
Since the last Jedi, Disney has been catering to this nihilistic doomer way of thinking, when Star Wars was always a lesson in overcoming the dark side with the light. Now they’re pushing this “there is no good or evil, there’s only choice” way of thinking. The Jedi should be no more and they have never done good whatsoever. It just feels very anti Star Wars. Star Wars always was inspiring to be a better version of ourselves, while acknowledging it’s okay to have dark side tendencies (personal demons in our world), but never advocated to give into those demons. Thats what I hate the most about Disney Star Wars, especially the acolyte. Andor and Rogue One have been the only saving graces in Disney Star Wars
Agreed!
It seems Andor and Rouge One have been just about the only thing they've done justice with.
I don't know what they're doing trying to remove good and evil from Star Wars. The jedi are now oppressors, and the Sith are misunderstood?
Thank you for watching and commenting! 🙂
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I’m pretty much out the door. If a project is done by the Rouge One or Andor team I’ll watch it. These projects have Star Wars nerds in the creative room.
@toad1er I totally agree with you. Even about Rouge 1/Andor stuff. I'm fine with silly dumb stuff for some fans, but damn it, there are tons of us that want good stories that make some kind of sense with well written characters.
I just can't believe Disney couldn't hit the mark with the target audience with some people who can write and direct.
I'm with you.
Also, thank you for watching and commenting. I appreciate you. 👍👍
So long as Dave filoni doesn't have much say.
Yeah those have actual merit! Andor is one of my favourite shows in general, Diego Luna kicks ass)
@@joshportie Dave is a icon for Star Wars!
it's not just the older fans that dislike the later changes
Yeah, im pretty young and was brought into star wars by watching all 3 trilogies, and even then i thought rise of skywalker was a horrible ending to what i thought was an incredible saga
@PyranoStudios which later? Prequels later or Sequels later? I've seen all age groups like or dislike all different SW movies and shows.
My guess is you are a younger fan. 🙂
@@BrickHive prequels are a solid concept just the script and jar-jar binks were... anyways the biggest thing that ruined the sequels to me was the director back-and-forth/retconning
@@PyranoStudios I agree about the prequels being a solid concept for sure. 👍👍
Another on point video. As an old man I appreciate new generations in the fanbase, but wish it hadn't become something I don't recognize.
@@markcantey4429 So true.
Thanks for watching, my friend!
I always disliked the "It's made for kids" argument. the OT and Prequels had a lightsaber dismemberment in EVERY movie (which never phased me growing up). What kids movie shows an on-screen decapitation?
That's a hard Agree from me. Thank you for watching and for your comment.
In the 70s? That is geared toward kids, or at least towards the whole generation. Kids' entertainment today is a lot more tame. Age restrictions for movies worked different back then, too.
@@mappes1 😆😆
I was a kid when episode 1 came out, and I thought Jar Jar was lame AF. I got 2nd hand embarrassment from him...
I am a female, ORIGINAL fan. Like you, I saw episodes 4-6 in the theatres when they were first released, multiple times even skipping school to see the premiere of Return of the Jedi. Thank you for putting this video out there saying exactly what millions of us REAL Star Wars fans feel. You summed it up it perfectly! These Disney "fans" can call us -ists and -phobes, but what they will never be able to say is that they were there when it all began; therefore, I don't think them capable of having a real say in what Star Wars really is.
@DF-lz2jw Thank your for watching and for your awesome comment.
That’s gate keeping and ageist, but accurate.
I’m also an original fan, but opinions are still just options. If Someone wants to say the prequels were better than the OT or that Obi-Wan was a good show they are entitled to do so…they’d just be wrong.
Thank you for agreeing with me on some level. Just to clarify, I’m not gatekeeping and saying they can’t comment. I’m saying that their comments are ignorant much like you’re saying they’re wrong.
Also so I don’t retort for no reason, but am I understanding you correctly that you’re referring to me as being an ageist? If you are, then you realize that you’re using an -ist term-something that Disney star wars fans use against us original fans. It’s not their age I have a problem with, it’s their arrogance and ignorance. Let me know if I’m misunderstanding your comment, and BTW it’s good to know that there are still original fans that will defend original Star Wars.
You’re welcome, Brickhive. Thank you for the love on the comment.
I was there as well. Saw episode 4 at age 4 in 1977. All hail he OG's.
Micky mouse screwed us up the ass...
@@Leef853 Agreed.
Didn't even give us a reach around.
@BrickHive I'm not even a hard core Star Wars fan either. But what I did know about it, disney did the opposite and made it quit ridiculous.
15:17 Yeah, I was saying this a while back: If you've gone and lost Star Wars Theory, you know you've done 🤬ed up.
Yeah, and he's way forgiving than most of. Thank you for watching and for your comment.
Agreed 💯 he was one of their biggest supporters at one time & they turn on him 🤦♂️how stupid can they be🤷♂️
I haven't met a single child that enjoyed the new movies. I remember my little cousins were shown the old movies in preparation for the force awakens. They loved them across the board. When The Last Jedi came out, not a single one of them liked the movie. Which felt odd to me at the time because I was actually one of the few people who defended it at the time. I'm just happy to see Dinsey failing, and the IP still is thriving through fan creations and Legends (even though Disney is trying to bastardize that now by giving Luke plot lines to Rey and Ahsoka).
@DPR99-1 Agreed.
It's so odd to me that Disney completely failed at Star Wars. I thought for sure they would knock it out of the park giving us awesome new stories (with a coherent timeline), as well as some new (and old) badass characters. I honestly feel we'd mostly or most definitely be on board and love it.
It's just crazy to me.
Anyways, thank you for watching and for your excellent comment! 🙂👍👍
So you liked the last Jedi from the off….what changed?
@billmcdermott9647 I realized how flawed of a story it actually was. I think the thought of seeing one of my favorite fictional characters (Luke Skywalker) blinded me so much to the point that I was just ignorant of what they had done to his character and how bland the entire movie actually was. It took me a good year and releasing myself from copium to come to terms with how badly they did Luke and how Rian purposely wanted to divide the Fandom.
@@DPR99-1 Interesting I’ve never actually seen people grow to dislike it…usually people either disliked it from the start or grew to like it later
Although the latter i sometimes wonder if it’s genuine or if they convinced themselves they like it
I hope Disney keeps making Star Wars until they go bankrupt. It doesn't bother me. I'll just watch Attack on Titan. There is plenty of new shows that are actually great. I don't need Disney garbage.
I saw The Phantom Menace on opening weekend, and the moment The Force was explained to be a biological thing (midi-chlorians), as a very spiritual person, my heart sunk and never recovered. Up until then, I thought The Force, like spiritual faith, was something that could be cultivated and thrive because of personal choice and will. For instance, I believed that Han Solo could also have The Force if he wanted to; he just wasn’t that type of person, like how a mercenary isn’t a monk. But once midi-chlorians came into the picture, I realized there was a big disconnect between what I thought Star Wars was and what George Lucas thought Star Wars was.
Yeah. That was a big big shift for a lot of fans.
Thank you for watching and commenting.
@@BrickHive My pleasure. It is a good video. Thank you.
When I was a kid, the 1997 special edition with all the CGI and etc. changes was my childhood. I never knew the difference between them and the originals, not until I was older, but loved them never the less.
Also, let us not forget it was also the fans and the criticism which almost lead Ahmed Best who played Jar Jar into committing suicide. Mostly because of what Lucas wrote
I grew up with the prequels and later watched the original trilogy. I love both trilogies to this day despite their flaws, then came the Disney trilogy. I didn’t hate The Force Awakens despite it being VERY similar to A New Hope. Then came The Last Jedi, the most arrogant and nihilistic film I have ever seen, I haven’t even bothered to watch The Rise of Skywalker or any Disney Star Wars television since.
@@danielallred4806 I'm totally feeling this comment.
Thank you for watching and commenting.
I can boil it down even further. Star Wars used to be lighthearted fun, now it's not.
Adding all these politics and agendas to the Star Wars formula is justing turning it into a worse version of Dune, and Dune came first (in books) anyway.
When I watched Star Wars as a kid, I turned my brain off and enjoyed the eternal struggle of good vs evil and didn't overthink it. Now, they'll go out of their way to subvert everything, until I just stopped caring.
Agreed. I appreciate your comment. Thank you.
Similarly to you, went through that phase where only SW content was books, comics and the occasional great, but brutally difficult SW video game (looking at you SNES Super Star Wars). Originally trilogy changed cinema with special effects etc, prequel trilogy could never do that and live up to that sort of expectation. It was George's baby and he put up his own money to make it happen. If he wants to go back and 'update' his original footage to match his vision now it was technology possible, so be it. Its interesting to see the additions and cloud city certainly felt more epic. I get it may upset some people but I'm not fussed.
Lucas was getting old an each trilogy would take 10 years of his life. Selling to Disney so it could continue, at the time seemed to make sense. I'm not a huge fan of the sequel trilogy, just fails with basic story telling which I want to like. Unfortunately what seems to have become clear is that it isn't a moment to 'pass the torch', but actively trying to 'torch the past'. Last Jedi as a fan just seemed different. If you didn't like the product, you got labelled with some "ism". I think the template for this was set with the 2016 Ghostbusters "reboot" as a new strategy. Long term it makes no sense. A business won't survive but attacking their customers. Metallica walked into this with Napster 20 years earlier - suing their fans was never going to end well.
Think Critical Drinker said it best (paraphrasing) "Star Wars that you love is gone, destroyed and its never coming back". Acolyte is like watching a train wreck, you can't look away and end up watching more youtube commentary about how bad it is. It has single handedly united the fan base in acknowledging how bad things have gotten. Think its time to exit stage left, voting with wallets and not buying any more merchandise, cancelling Disney+ and no more eyeballs on their shows.
SW has become episodes 1 to 6, Clone Wars animation and some extended universe stories / ideas. It was a good run.
@@mattelder That's a well written comment!
I think a lot of comments are making the point that even if they liked or disliked something, the other fan doesn't bother them if they don't like or like something different.
Thanks for watching and engaging, my friend! 🙂🙏
@BrickHive as the franchise heads towards 50 years old, inevitably you'll like some parts and not like others. Acolyte has one wondering, who is this written for? Its all round bad. The characters position flip flops multiple times per episode, seemingly to suit whatever the horrible writing needs at that moment. You end up not caring for any "character" as they make no sense as an entity, their motivations or what they are trying to achieve. The rest "torches the past" - kilomundi, yoda, how the "force/thread" works, Anakin/chosen one, darth plaguis and on and on.
@@mattelder It's almost like they want to just change whatever to suit their show...
Coming back to the 1997 remasters of the originals, I don’t buy GL’s explanation. I think he knew he was on course to do Episodes 1-3, but he was also smart enough to know that new fans that watched them would want to see the rest of the story (Episodes 4-6), and the difference in the CGI and production quality would be quite clear to see. I think he remastered 1-3 so the new Star Wars fans that watched the prequels wouldn’t look at the next 3 and switch off. I think he wanted to give them something that wouldn’t discourage them from seeing the whole saga all the way through. As divisive as it was, I think he did it for the right reasons.
I can see that. I don't know how much it changes my overall opinion even though I can see why he would do that. Regardless, I think you may be right about it. Thank you for watching and for your insightful and excellent comment.
It wasn’t so much that George remastered the originals for continuity with the prequels, it’s that he fundamentally changed the original movie and then suppressed the original theatrical version.
He vandalized his own movie
Great video as always!🫡🔥
Thank you, my friend! The comment section got a little wild. lol
I'm a younger fan, I grew up with and adored the prequels despite their flaws and only really knew the OT in their remastered forms as a kid. When I watched The Last Jedi I came out absolutely disgusted at what I had just saw, and even more so by the gaslighting so many of its defenders were engaging in to prop it up. You'd be surprised at how many of the new gen fans hate Disney Wars, almost everyone I know around my age detests the sequels as much as I do
The trouble started when "Episode IV" was added to the title. You don't introduce your hero in the fourth episode, not even in a 12-episode serial, so Luke got demoted ("EXIT: LUKE SKYWALKER! He will neither SAVE the galaxy - nor DESTROY it!") in favor of his father; the correct Western ending was thereby lost, and the story left permanently misshapen.
(Proper structure of Star Wars trilogy:
Episode 1: Luke learns that Darth Vader killed his dad; Obi-Wan allows Vader to kill him so he can be a voice in Luke's head at the right time.
Episode 2: Darth Vader (name, not title) discovers Luke is the Strong-in-the-Force son of the best friend that he killed for hollow power; seeing this as his chance at redemption (every evil thing he did after that was water over the bridge) he eventually allows Luke to kill him Obi-Wan style so that in:
Episode 3: in the high noon showdown on Main Street, the Top Gun Emperor loses to the plowboy because the plowboy is Force-guided by the ghost of the Big Boss's own gunslinger.)
I'm down. Very interesting take. To the point. Character development. Solid trilogy. Mad set-up and Pay-off.
"Episode IV: A New Hope" was added in 1981, for the theatrical re-release of the 1977 film.
It’s hard to argue a significant portion of Star Wars fans aren’t racist and toxic when you look at how they’ve treated all the non-Caucasian actors. Being mad at a bad film is reasonable; but doxxing, harassing and sending death threats to an actor is despicable. The actors don’t have any power. They’re just doing their job. Even when the movies are good, like Rogue One, they go after the actors, which is insane.
And it’s always been this way. Look at how fans treated Jake Lloyd and Ahmed Best. Jar Jar is a terrible character, yes, but Best didn’t create him. And Lloyd was a CHILD. All the issues with Phantom Menace are from Lucas, full stop. Disney Star Wars is no better or worse than Lucas Star Wars. In fact, I’d argue Disney Star Wars is better, because there’s no way we would’ve gotten a masterpiece like Andor from Lucas, or quality like Star Wars Rebels. From Lucas we got garbage like the Holiday Special and Droids.
The two examples you cite (Jake Lloyd and Ahmed Best) have nothing to do with what the fans did. Try again.
@@BiggieTrismegistus You are correct.
While I agree there are people like that in any fandom, I think some things are blown out of proportion. Daisy Ridley even said this. Also, @BiggieTrismegistus is right in their comment. Jake said it was bullies in school and the press, and he had bi-polar disorder, paranoid schizophrenia. Ahmed also said most of the hate directed at him mainly came from the press and a lot of that was due to the racist undertones with the character. Again, I'm not saying there are not some people that are racists etc, but it's not on the level some think. Being a shitty actress doesn't equate to hating the character because they're black. There are many diverse characters in Star Wars and other Sci-Fi people absolutely love and adore.
These arguments are all solid. The divide most likely started with the Gold edition changes to the originals, not with the prequels. But Disney poured gasoline on that fire. Not only have they de-canonized the EU and made even more significant changes in their own movies, but they have also completely failed to manage any of their franchises. The parks are in shambles; toys and other merchandise are mostly neglected; all of their animated IP's are remade into unnecessary, probably detrimental CGI versions and foundational characters like Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck have seemingly vanished. Disney openly hire people whom explicitly dislike the brand they are meant to build on and yet they blame all of their failures on a lack of support from the fans. The failure of this Disney leadership is complete.
Great video! Thanks for doing it. Lucas swapping Sebastian Shaw for Hayden was always my most hated "special" edition change for the same reasons as you along with how logically it doesn't make any sense.
The last time Anakin was himself was when Luke unmasked him so that's the Anakin he should be as a force ghost. Also Luke wouldn't have recognized Anakin when he appeared as his younger self.
Then in addition to being completely disrespectful to Sebastian Shaw in what would be his last film appearance, it also causes a lot of confusion for new SW viewers as they have no idea who this new actor playing Anakin is and often don't even know that he was supposed to be playing a younger Anakin.
Causing confusion in much of the audience is a horrible way to conclude a saga that took many years to complete. And an even worse way to undermine what should be an emotionally resonant and resolute scene.
Then the prequels were also greatly disliked because of the overuse of CG over practical effects used in the OT that gave the newer films a cartoonish or video game-like quality.
Also, midichlorians were a bad addition because they turned something mystical, spiritual, of the will, and something that can be attained into something that was biologically predetermined like your eye color or height.
Now something that you could once access if you dedicated your efforts to doing so was suddenly closed off to you unless you were blessed by the proper blood count deities before birth.
It also destroys what the force was originally intended to be when Obi-Wan first described it as " An energy field ".
It's detrimental to subscribe to the concept of something that was retconned to only be meant for a select elite few which was now being told to the audience that most of us are unworthy of and unqualified for. Instead of something that we can access and harness if we so desire.
Fables like SW and countless others that existed for millennia were meant to be stories about at least somewhat relatable characters with attainable traits. Not about genetically superior characters with unattainable traits they were just born with.
Now, SW fans went from being the leads in the story to just the peasants cheering for the royal bloodline and our indentured servitude to them.
We went from being Luke or Anakin to just being a scrub in the background with no speaking lines like a Jawa, Rodian, or Willrow Hood - the joke character with the mustache and ice cream maker running through the halls of Cloud City that everyone makes fun of.
Here are some direct lines from the OT that show midichlorians were also a retcon:
" The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an ENERGY FIELD created by all living things. It SURROUNDS us and PENETRATES us; it BINDS the galaxy together." - Obi-Wan.
" Its ENERGY surrounds us and binds us. LUMINOUS BEINGS ARE WE. NOT THIS CRUDE MATTER. You must FEEL the force AROUND you. Here between you me the tree the rock everywhere. Even between the land and the ship. " - Yoda
Can blood counts or even something contained in blood counts perform anything like what was described in those descriptions? Can blood counts surround and penetrate us? Can blood counts bind galaxies together? Can blood exist invisibly between things? Is blood energy?
To end any debate if it still exists, the direct quote of being " luminous beings and not this crude matter " definitively crushes any notion that anything biological like midichlorians was originally ever meant to be any part of the force.
So midichlorians are not only narratively detrimental to the mythology of Star Wars. But also a direct affront to what the force was originally meant to be and represent for all of us.
love these vids Hive. well done. very cool narration and nice video clips/editing through out :) i feel edjbacated
i dont debate with stupidity, they will only beat you down and win by experience. beam me up scotty
@MakroBricks Thanks, brother! I worked pretty hard on it. 🙂
there are two parts to the equation if we discuss all six films
1 we hade changing the physical look of iconic images
2 we get fanfic and book ideas in our heads and want those to be Canon. When they are not, we get disappointed.
That goes for any franchise
I'm a younger gen z and I hate the sequels, as well as the current stuff that Disney has been putting out. By far the worst thing about watching a new Disney Star Wars show is that they aren't producing stories, they're giving the most despicable beings on the planet a soapbox to call all of the fans racist and sexist homophobes. I'm sick and tired of it. No one wants to watch the stuff that Disney is producing and none of the people working on it care, what's worse is that it is beginning to feel antagonistic between the writers and the fans. Like when Darth Plagueis showed up in the Acolyte, to me it felt like less like a cameo for money and more like the writers saying: "We have your toys and we will do what we want with them." I'm tired of it, the decisions that Disney has been making is destroying a community. At least I have a ton of EU content to catch up on, so that'll keep me entertained while Disney runs their glorified shitshow.
This was really good… Thank you 🙏🏻 I was seven when part iv came out and I watched it, and the next two, together with my two older brothers. Definitely among the top cinematic experiences I’ve had in my life. Your video covers well how my experience of and feelings for Star Wars have changed. Oh man, it could’ve been so good… 😢
Thank you very much! I appreciate that!
I agree...It could have been soooooo good. Disney had everything right there in front of them. All they had to do is make good stuff. Everyone thinks we are so hateful, but we are actually really forgiving, but it only goes so far. It's so damn sad for so many fans.
I was around 8 when the special editions was coming out, I saw the un-altered movies on VHS, special edition, today I had gripes over it, prequels I had fun with, didn't watch much of clone wars, but rebels reignited my love of the franchise. Now with the rest of Disney content, I have my criticisms, and shows I don't have much interest in. But at this point I don't give a Bantha's backside about lore, Canon, EU, or Disney. It's Space Fairy tales, Canon can be whatever the viewer wants it to be!
There are very few Disney Star Wars fans, and their numbers are dwindling with each awful new release. The box office, Disney Plus ratings, park attendance, and collapsing merchandise sales don't lie.
Elite stormtroopers getting knocked cold by teddy bears throwing pebbles. That's the first real negative. Jar jar was when the real rot started
I agree. I am not a fan of Ewoks or Jar Jar. Thank you for watching and commenting.
No one argues about a franchise more than its fandom. If this didn’t happen then that wouldn’t happen then this character wouldn’t do that then that character wouldn’t do this then that character wouldn’t die then this character wouldn’t rise to power then this movie isn’t canon then that TV Series isn’t canon.
I think as the franchise has gotten older and more generations of people fell in love with the franchise and grew up with different changes to the franchise, there’s so much different opinions that the fandom can no longer agree on what is and isn’t canon because of so much change in the canon and retconning. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it and instead of fixing Star Wars too many Star Wars executives whether from Lucas Films or Disney keep and kept breaking the franchise.
I’m not a Star Wars fan but as a fan of another timeless franchise who deals with Mattel executives making stupid decisions, much like Star Wars fans dealing with Disney executives stupid decisions, such as retcons and changing what is and isn’t canon; I can sympathise with Star Wars fans when they complain about Star Wars
Yes, however canon is simply in your head, it can be whatever you personally want it to be. Do not let any corporate entity dictate your "personal canon". Take and leave what you want.
@JC-jo9bf
That's dumb. You can like and make up what's in your head however you want. That's called imagination.
We like canon for many reasons including it being an established storyline that gravitate meaning behind character motivations and plots.
Come on now. You can do better than this.
We appreciate you, Mayo. I appreciate you watching and your insightful comment as always. I hope you're doing better.
Great vid Hive, we're the same age so i'm hardly going to disagree with anything you say.. but i will add another criticism being thrown around about The Phantom Menace was the whole politics side of things, despite being fundamental to the story. Quite a few just didn't care for it, yet it would become one the the key focus' of the prequels and beyond.
Yeah, that was definitely another strong thing that a lot of fans didn't like. They thought it was boring and how could kids like it?
Thanks for watching and engaging, my friend! I hope you've been well. I saw you are building some more. 🙂👍
Great video. The most eloquent explanation I’ve seen on this topic. As an older fan it really hit the mark.
@@bcaguitar Thank you so much! I appreciate that as well as you watching and commenting! 🙂
Great video. Disney Star Wars fans aren't real Star Wars fans. You can't love both. What Disney has done overall has been absolutely insane. I'll give credit to Rogue One, Andor, and the first two seasons of the Mandalorian, though. But the feature films aren't forgivable.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
@@JR-ol9pc 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is not true by no means, from a person who has no right to be talking about anything. If ur a true Star Wars fan, you don’t like all the products but you enknowledge the bad parts
@@bobloglin2934 I'm sorry, what are you trying to say exactly?
@@calvinw2104 I mean if u are a true Star Wars wan you will appreciate everything Star Wars puts out whether you like it or not. It’s not my favorite Star Wars but I appreciate it for trying something different same with rouge one which I do not like but appreciate how they filled in the story in between those movies. I think to call someone not a Star Wars fan if they like it is really insulting to the community, people hated on past Star Wars and have come to love them. I think this may happen with this series if they mess up the Rey movie and further projects but to me I’d say I personally enjoyed the Actoyle more then Rouge One, Last Jedi, Rise of Skywalker, Attack of the Clones, and Book of Boba Fett I think they tried but the director just wanted her own wY
I watched PM in the theatre with my dad and we both loved it! And we laughed at Jar Jar and didn't find him annoying at all - we thought he was cute and funny. Nothing wrong with a "comedic sidekick" character. Still my favourite from the PT. And we are both OG fans - I saw the first movie (4 ep.) when I was arund 5 in the 90-s, he saw it earlier, off cource.
I mean, a lot of people got big mad back in the day over Mara Jade (a lot of others loved her) and don't even start on the prequel trilogy so it's not like it was all friendly debate but what Disney did to SW should be a crime against humanity. I noped out after the travesty that was TLJ but have been happy to be entertained by critique of the content that has come out since.
I'm one of those old fans, Empire was the first movie I saw in a theater and I grew up reading as many SW books as I could get my hands on. The Thrawn books are on my top 10 all time sci fi list and when the internet was new I spent time on SW forums and what not and IRC channels. I used to save what I could to buy the toys I wanted (along with GI Joe) and played with them with my friends as a kid. Also played most of the video games in my teens/twenties. No one asked for Disney to 'deconstruct' SW, what fans wanted were good stories told in the SW universe we knew and loved.
Thank you. Thank you for watching and thank you for this awesome comment. I agree. With everything.
Can you give a link or how to find that group video call with the Star Wars Theory guy and six other people. I've never seen that or knew it existed and would like to see what was being discussed and where everyone was coming from.
@@MossyRiverRock Yeah, I'll grab it for you.
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They could have written new characters, diverging along a different path that never crosses with the original saga; literally EXPANDING the universe, rather than shrinking it to the point where everybody knows everybody like some lame soap opera about a very small neighbourhood. But they aren't chasing the talent at any level of their productions, so that after every multi-year project sees completion, we see time and again that they're just wasting our time and money. The Acolyte was the straw that broke the camel's back. We're tired of Disney stringing us along, like we're dying of thirst in the desert and they are the only one allowed to dish out the water that will keep our spirit alive; the water has become dirty and unfit to drink, tainted and poisonous. How would a customer in a restaurant react? They'd complain, and if nothing is done to rectify the problem, they leave and take their money, the lifeblood of the company, away with them.
So much truth in your comment! Thank you!
My biggest issue with the midichlorians is that it changed the entire concept of the force. Before, the force was "all around us, binds us" ect to "u have the have the right blood". It took it from something almost anyone can aspire to develop. Much like good character, a good jedi is a person that, through discipline, training, and hard work, could achieve the ability to harness these powers. And like i said before, now it comes down to bloodlines and families. It took something that anyone could do, and chopped it down to "these ppl are special in a way you could never hope to achieve. Really takes away from the whole "everyone is capable of being good, and doing better". Idk, that my off the cuff opinion.
I totally agree. It used to be a more mystical thing, and then Lucas decided to Science it up. Thank you for watching and commenting!
@@BrickHive if u haven't seen it yet. Check out Ec Henry's latest video about Luke. Called "underpowered heroes" or something similar. It pretty much echos why Luke is my favorite character in all of star wars and shows why he was such a good character. It is on topic, I swear lol.
Gen X here. Great video. I agree with you 100%.
But I'll conclude with this, in the words of K Kennedy, "this is meant for the modern audience." Guess im not the modern audience. Sad. Walked away. ✌🏽
Yeah, I don't think I'm modern enough either.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Gen X ftw!
@@BrickHive , Stay true brother. Gen X FTW!
For me it was the way they treated Luke. I haven’t seen Disney Star Wars since
Yeah...honestly, that in my opinion was probably the worst. You saw and ducked out rightly so before most of us. You knew. The rest of us just kept hoping and hoping. Getting these little strings of shit to keep us hanging. It's a god damn travesty.
To my former fellow Star Wars fans, It's time to grow up and move on. Star Wars is dead, long live Star Wars.
@ShemPayne You speak the true true.
Star Wars is unique because it is the modern day Sci-Fi version of a good religion and people like to stick to that which makes it great (no matter what you think of real religions). But the fact that Disney doesn't care enough to keep the lore smart, consistent, and entertaining while also making boring movies and TV shows is most of the problem. But the new stuff is like a cult comes in takes over the old religion and creates and offshoot of the religion that basically says that the old original religion was false and the god is bad so the new version serves the devil, and all the old believers were toxic heretics. They have made the Jedi evil and the Sith are the rightful force users. Disney Star Wars is like the Gnostic version of Star Wars. All Disney had to do was make the Darth Bane Trilogy into movies and recast the original Luke, Leia, & Han and do Heir to the Empire. Staggering those movies for 6 years and BOOM 10 BILLION DOLLARS. Instead we get the Gnostic version where everything is upside down and Palpatine's bloodline are now calling themself a Skywalker. It's still fixable but no one actually cares enough about the history or the story anymore because its garbage. But its still Gnostic Star Wars to me!
At the time I supported the canon change. My reasoning was they could get rid of the minor inconsistencies. For instance in one book lightsabers did not give off heat if they did there was a problem and in another it caused luke to sweat. But of course now I understand what canon actually means and where the word comes from. Even George didn't have a right to change his story after the fact. Once canon is established it can never change. Buying something doesn't change what a word means no matter how much Disney wanted.
I feel like it was so confusing to a lot of us no matter what side we landed on. It seems like so long ago now too. At least we still have all the old stuff.
@@BrickHive yeah. Just shows we didn't go into this hating everything Disney made we were hopeful. Which doesn't match their narrative that we just hate women.
You forgot to mention between the getting rid of the eu and making the sequels, Disney cancelled the clone wars and gave us rebels instead, insulting us clone wars fans and alienating us from the start with a lesser show
That's a solid point! Thank you! 👍👍
Long story short (or TLDR): fans feel betrayed by their franchise and it’s creators when expectations aren’t met. New fans are created when they encounter a franchise at various times when new content is created, with that baseline being their basis for nostalgia later on. So it’s inevitable that these different generations of fans will not see eye to eye.
16:25 and I don’t, she’s just hot.
You just summed up my 20 minute video in three sentences. lol
Yeah...she is hot. Damn it.
Seriously though, thank you for watching and for your great comment.
Enjoyed the video… I’m an original 1977 theatre viewer. Was hooked then… and lived the fan life. Now… I’m out (of Star Wars). Disney made it clear I’m not welcome, the legacy is worthless… only activism counts. No reason to give them my loyalty or my money anymore… I moved on, I don’t CARE anymore. Shame it ended this way
Then move on creampuff. The prequels did more damage to Star Wars than Disney.
Agreed. There is a stark difference between Disney Star Wars and what Star Wars was. It's a damn shame indeed.
@@JC-jo9bf It's more telling on you that you are hurt enough to comment something so absurd on a strangers comment on another strangers video. Also, creampuff is pretty lame. Subjectively, you may think the prequels did more damage to Star Wars, but Disney is killing Star Wars. The numbers do not lie.
I hope you get the hug you need, to be more enlightened, and not so narcissistic in thinking you or your dumbass comment means anything here.
@@BrickHive Sorry to trigger you. I was only joking. It is cute that you totally did not over react to prove you are not a creampuff. Relax. 🦄
There are only 3 Star Wars movies and nothing else. I won't ever have an argument with anybody over this because there's simply no argument to be had.
Yes there is u just wont here us out. There are 6 films. No more no less
@@clonetrooper2003 Blasphemy.
@@thedude5295 coming from a casual fan who doesnt even know what kreia is
The way I see it there are 6, 2 of them really good, 1 fine and the other 3 exist so the good ones make more sense. As much as I may have disliked the prequel trilogy at times at least it was Star Wars, what Disney is doing mostly is not.
All these comments rule.
This is a great video. So happy to hear someone explain the nuances in a way that’s clear and kind. 😊
Thank you so much! I really really appreciate that. I subbed to your channel. I like your points! I'll be watching more. Thank you again for the wonderful compliment and also for watching and engaging.
jar jar could have saved both the prequels and the sequels. the foundation was laid for him to be the true sith master, palpatine's master. the prequels should have been the story of palpatine's rise. the OT was about his defeat... and the sequel trilogy SHOULD have been about defeating jar jar. such a missed opportunity
Revenge of the Sith is obviously the best Star Wars movie.
Well, obviously.
Most of the changes in the special editions I liked, the changes I didn't like were easy to ignore (except the terrible musical bit in RotJ).
I loved the prequels, though again, there were several parts that I needed to ignore.
When I saw EP7 I thought it was ok, but had potential.
Then I saw Rogue One and was ecstatic, I thought the future of Star Wars was bright.
Then I saw the last jedi......
I bought a pre-owned Solo dvd for £3 so disney wouldn't get money from me.
I have never seen the last sequel movie.
I hope disney sell star wars, because it can't be f***ed up more than it already is.
amazing video. You've got a new subscriber. Plus we're the same age and we pretty much see it the exact same way.
I'm simply done with star Wars. I have been for a while. Like you and most older fans I watch with apathy or with morbid curiosity.
You haven't talked about the games (no need really) but I'd like to touch on those as well.
I've been an avid Star Wars games fans up until The Force Unleashed. Then I slowly drifted away from those too. Squadrons was pretty cool, but not even close to the old X-Wing series...
Star Wars probably won't "die" ..but it is already dead in our hearts. We should probably stop focusing on the new shit that comes out and talk more about what was good.
I love this comment! Thank you for watching and engaging!
Yeah, I wanted to get more into the games. I used to play them a lot in the late 90s early 00s.
Thank you again!
An artist is within law and right to change their work until they're dead.
That crack in the fandom exists because people dont care about artistic expression.
You making a man rich doesn't mean you have say in what's done with his work.
A long time commenter/viewer for a UA-cam would be rightfully seen as insane to make a similar claim
Im glad SW is in its current state. Karma is good
@katakesh8566 That's a lot to digest in one comment, but I'll try and eat it up.
Let's start from the bottom and work our way up.
1. I don't believe in Karma, unfortunately. The world would be a very different place if it was real. I do not like the current state of Star Wars.
2. Content creators can do whatever they want, but it is still important imo that they respect their fans, the content they have consumed, what that means to them, and what would happen if I went back and changed everything. (This is also a silly comparison due to the difference in subjects, forms of art, distribution, other media, other lore, other merchandise, etc etc)
3. Again, said creator, Lucas can do whatever he wants. I absolutely never in this video said he can't do what he wants. He can go back and have Greedo give Han some flowers instead of shooting him because Lucas doesn't like violence anymore. Whatever.
As a fan who has spent tons of money, time, and passion into his work to have him change it 20 years later without giving a shit about his fans, I have the right to say, this sucks, and it's cool if Lucas, you, or Jesus himself doesn't like it. I can still say it. 🙂
4. There are many reasons the crack exists, and saying it's because people don't like artistic expression is a hollow cop out of a weak excuse. You need to come up with something better than that. In this video I explained about a dozen reasons.
5. See answer to number 3.
I sincerely appreciate you watching my video, and I truly appreciate your comment. It's ok to disagree.
I don't agree with you, but I see your points.
Neil is right. Enterprise vs the Falcon would be like a battle ship vs a tugboat. The conflict wouldn't last more than a moment
Millennium Falcon would Holdo’d the shit out of this StarTrek garbage tin into billion rainbow haired pieces. And with that I ruined this argument for Neil. Because Disney is unbelievably retarded and stupid.
It should be more like Enterprise vs Star Destroyer or smth
@@kaggykarr That would make far more sense. I think a Star destroyer would obliterate the original enterprise but struggle against the D or E Galaxy class. I could be wrong as my nerd levels don't extend past padewan learner
All your comments made my day. :)
@@rafaysiuk2589 lol
"In this show(Acolyte), everyone HAS to be dumb in order for the plot to move forward."
-Script Trooper
Well....
"Like the prequels has to be dumb in order for the plot to move forward?"
@@liamdalemon1525 I'm sorry, but there is no comparison in the Acolyte and the prequels.
@BrickHive they're both Star Wars projects, they both have flaws and they were both hated upon release
Yes, they are both Star Wars, and they have flaws, and both had/have hate.
The difference is the execution of the show and the three movies.
Picking out discrepancies in three movies, but still able to enjoy it is one thing, but almost an entire season (which was a total of about 4 1/2 hours) of a show is bad, and not even targeted towards your core audience, using it as a therapy session for the show runner, and messing around with canon is something completely different. The prequels never had the same hate this show or how Star Wars has been handled.
You can keep trying to compare the two, but Disney Star Wars is failing, where before it wasn't.
The bast way I see it as a long time Star Wars fan is that you criticise the films TV shows games book etc is because we are passionate we love Star Wars
They should welcome criticism and look into it not split the fan bases then mark you as a sexiest or a bigot
I must say I did cling on longer than I throat would but I have now completely given up
Grate video though 😅
“There is no passion, there is peace.”
I LOVE STAR WARS SO MUCH 🩷⚡💥👸🏻🎉🥰🔥🌟
Our generations caught up with James Bond movies cause you can watch them in any order with little connections. Is a new gen going to sit and watch a 30 hour+ MCU movie saga to catch up?
Well, those are two different types of genre, story, and format. I enjoy Bond and 30+hours of MCU movie...well, anything before Endgame. I think I see what you mean though.
@BrickHive Yes and no. Bond is suppose to be Cold War spy thriller against Soviet Russia like the novels. But the actual movies play out like they would fit in a Golden Age Comic with overpower cartoonish supervillans. Guess if you go by the novels, Stalin (indirectly) was the first Bond villian
@BrickHive The BEAUTY of Batman, though. Don't like the current version, just wait 5 minutes
Phenomenal Video! I’ve started to really hate Disney recently. First, they ruined Star Wars with the Sequel Trilogy. Then, they ruined Toy Story by making an unnecessary Sequel (Toy Story 4 (TOY STORY 3 WAS PERFECT! IT WAS ALREADY THE PERFECT ENDING TO A PHENOMENAL TRILOGY!)) and then creating Lightyear (the worst movie of all time). They also ruined the MCU because they didn’t know what to do with it after Endgame. And just to top it all off, Dial Of Destiny (although not a bad movie overall) was disappointing and the worst Indiana Jones Movie by far.
@@OaktownBricks Thanks, brother! 🙂
Pretty nuts right last night I responded to a comment on social media that was like “I wonder if the rumored X-Men movie is going to be ok or just garbage.” And I was like can you believe this is Disney now? So incompetent that people are actually expecting garbage tier movies? It’s crazy to me but I get it.
Disney as a company has been acting crummy for years. Not sure how you only noticed it now.
I’m from the Og prequel era. Pre-Filoni trash. And I really hate pretty much everything coming from the mouse these days. But as someone who likes the 3.75 inch action figures, I do like to get a lot of the Disney Star Wars stuff but only so I can repurpose them for either real Star Wars displays or something from my own headcanon. Like Captain Rex for example is really just an inferior Alpha-17, so for me that’s who he is on the shelf. The Ghost Crew and ship Haslab is repurposed to be the Ebon Hawk and the KOTOR crew. And so on.
I mainly collect Lego Star Wars stuff, but I do have a few Black Series, and Funko Pops. I would love to buy other stuff like nice lightsabers, helmets, statues, etc.
And yeah, I agree. I like a couple of things, but almost everything else sucks Disney ass.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
RIP Willow franchise. So sad what Disney did to that IP. The new series is not even on the streaming service anymore.
@stud_sidious Yeah, Willow got the shaft pretty quick unfortunately.
I had to watch via Chinese bootleg. I have never seen a show so desperately cling to nostalgia while simultaneously ignore everything about the original. I have to rate it as the worst show I've ever seen. It's just so dull and plodding and lifeless.
I love Revenge of the Sith
@@austinsnow2397 Me too! 🙂👍
There is nothing wrong with Gen X Star Wars fans. The mainstream media is the problem. The people who said Joe Biden was the best he'd ever been 2 days before the debate.
I didn‘t like the change of the force ghost either… imho it makes no sense changing to young Anakin but keeping old Ben… plus it‘s disrespectful to the actor and the fans. Nevertheless, I used to collect the SW movies and rewatch them at least once a year… I never did ever since The Last Jedi. That movie did to SW what season 8 did to GOT in my opinion.
You know....a lot of the comments in here have been similar about TLJ. That movie just broke a lot of fans in its incompetence and blatant disrespect towards just about everything Star Wars. Thank you for watching and commenting!
14:10 - AAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIDDDDDDDDSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!
Right! I love them!
@@BrickHive Yeah! I love them so much, I got them TWWIIIIIIIIIIIIIICCCCCCCCEEEEE!
@@BrickHive Oh, wait. You meant RLM. Of course. I love them too. I thought we were still talking about AIDS.
Great video Hive! As a Star Wars Fan who is just has a few more years on you this hits the mark on so many counts. First I really enjoyed the Prequel movies., yeah the dialogue was a bit rough at times but the story and character arcs were solid. I was never to fussed about the tinkering in the special Eds but I didn't like the main big talking points you brought up either.
The Clone Wars cartoon was again something I enjoyed and looked forward to every week. This really was the first proper Star Wars TV show, people forget that and it was George who gave us that. As you said Disney came in and made legends out of the EU SW but they also just cancelled The clone wars another huge mistake as it's fan base was also made up of another generation of new SW fans.
I'm not a Disney hater and definitely not a Star wars hater but just want Disney to make Star Wars content that respects what George created and compliments it. Rogue One and Andor showed they can do it ,hell even Rebels was good at times.
@mutley7773 Agreed! Thank you for watching and the excellent engagement with your comment! I appreciate you! 🙂
Why did star wars fans crack simple their children who never grew up.
@@zacharywilliams6337
They're*
Adults should be able to spell simple words. I still appreciate the engagement. Thank you. 🙂
I really liked the first film. The second started off well with the battle on Hoth, but Lucus lost me with Yoda. The Ewokes just completed my disinterest. For me only the first film is cannon, a retelling of Flash Gordon. The rest is blah. In fact I'm more likely to watch Flash Gordon 1980 than Episode 4.
@anthonysmith2562 That is a very interesting and unique take...and honestly, I'm kind of for it except I love the battle on Hoth and the beginning of Return of the Jedi.
I can't stand Ewoks, and I'm never really sure about Yoda.
Thanks for watching and commenting! 🙂
This is probably the best way to look at Star Wars. I disagree about TESB and Yoda (for me those scenes are what SW is actually all about) but not going past the first movie is really the safest way to consume this franchise. Its the only part they deserves to be in the Smithsonian, along with Buster Crabbe in those serials.
I like Original, Prequels and Mandalorian. The Sequel trilogy and the tv shows Disney released i don't like them at all (That's my opinion because some people might think this is hate speech).
Yeah, Lucas has his moments of genius, but they are interrupted by moments of absolute nonsense and cringe.
Remastering the original trilogy was a wonderful thing, being able to watch it in all its glory made me so happy, but most of the s#it he added was just that, pointles s#it!
As for Disney, like anyone else I love Andor and Rogue one, and half of the Mandalorian, but everything else goes from lame to pure woke cinematic vomit, and we will never forgive them.
Visually I think Disney Star Wars looks really good, the production, the sets, the costumes and the aliens puppets, they’ve done good things, however, the writing is disgraceful and Star Wars is just used to push an agenda… :/ iv been a massive Star Wars fan all my life and iv drifted since the force awakens…
I completely agree. Visually, most if not about all of it looks stunning and beautiful.
It's like you said, ...everything else.
It's a damn shame. Disney could have made awesome content on a constant basis and really did good for themselves and for the fans.
Thank you for watching and commenting!
GEORGE HATED THE EU STOP PEARL CLUTCHING THE MESSY LEGENDS BULLSHIT
He sure liked that EU money, though, didn't he? If he hated it so much, he shouldn't have let it happen. So take your pearl clutching weak ass excuse bullshit somewhere else and bring a coherent and logical argument to the table.
Rookie.
Look it up, he has said many times he never considered it part of the overall story. There are a few interviews where he talks about it.
I believe you. What I'm saying is he's a hypocrite then.
He hates it, but he lets people keep making it so he can have that money.
That's called selling out. Amongst other problems with it.
Anyways...
This point your making is pointless.
@@BrickHive at the end of the day Legends is essentially licensed fan made Star Wars. If George Lucas really liked it he incorporated it into his works, like look at the clone wars. We got a lot of canon content pulled from EU.
The point is it’s divisive as fuck as a fanbase to constantly keep going with this narrative that Disney somehow “ruined” Star Wars. We can have calm conversations and heated debates. But these days it’s a lot of fuck you and your opinion is wrong cause my opinion is right.
We will continue to get more Star Wars content. Some good some bad, but that’s how it’s been from the VERY beginning. Is that not a great thing?
@@Senpai_SM0K3
I'm sorry you don't see the difference in how Disney is handling Star Wars and how George Lucas handled it, but that's a whole other long conversation I'm frankly too tired and care little enough to explain to you right now. I'm sure I'll make a video about it eventually. I'm sorry for coming off so crass. It's been a long day at work. If you still enjoy Star Wars, that's great.
Unfortunately, I call out what I feel is bullshit. I see a lot of people that may subjectively like something, but clearly it is objectively bad writing, or bad directing, or has no coherent story, or doesn't make any damn sense if you think about it longer than five seconds, or lacks any character development, or set-up and pay-off, etc, etc, etc, etc..........
Like I said in the video, the new fans can keep the franchise alive now. One good show, One good show with two decent seasons, and one movie that didn't suck ass isn't keeping most of us around. Especially with what they did with the sequels. A lot of us are past any kind of debate any more. We can disagree on shit and still love Star Wars, but Disney does not know what they're doing and it has shown time and time again.
Disney is going in their own direction, didn't want Lucas involved, does not respect the original core fan base, and just loves to jangle keys to keep as many of us around as possible in their shitty shows. Honestly, it's quite remarkable how much Disney has ruined this.
As far as the Expanded Universe now known as Legends goes, that was licensed through Lucas and their were steps and policies surrounding it. People didn't write whatever they wanted whenever they wanted without going through that process. Saying it was essentially fan made is such a disservice to lore, and this is a main difference in the fandom, and why we argue. I see it as a lack of any respect except for anything that came before so Disney can do whatever they want with it and their fans will eat it up and tell the rest of us to shut up. The expanded universe was not perfect by any means, but it still was technically canon, and it still meant something to us. Disney, like Lucas in the past, can do whatever they want. Myself and many others are pretty much done with it.
So again...... if George hated it so damn much, he shouldn't have let it happen, but he wanted that money in the 20 years between the OT and the Prequels.
I hope this was calm enough for you. I do appreciate you watching and engaging.
Ewoks are dope af and I will die on this hill 😂
@@FabuBrik I Agree! Ewoks kick ass and manage to look adorable at the same time! That’s not an easy thing to do!
I respect your opinion and dedication, my friend. @FabuBrik :)
At this point, is what is made, even close to the SOUL of star wars?
The spirit of the work, nope it isn't. It has light sabers, space fights, oh and always Yoda. But... is it Star Wars? Not really!
It's like an impersonation or caricature rather than the thing itself.
You both said it perfectly. Thank you both for your engagement!
Great video, man! Classic Hive banger. I'm on the side of enjoyable media. I loved andor, Rogue one, and first two seasons of mando. Makes me wonder if maybe disney needs more training before they are allowed to work with lightsabers 😂
It's annoying because Disney obviously CAN make good Star Wars content but Mickey Mouse is so money-obsessed that all they want to do is pump out crappy show after crappy show rather than taking the time to slow down and flesh out the stories that are working
@onecleverpig Thanks bro! 🙂
Great Video Hive! I am also a child born in the 70s and the OT will always be what made me the fan that I am today. I have grown to really appreciate the Prequels. I am ok with the sequels but I agree with you that they did not give the OT characters the love they deserved. (thank you Rian Johnson) Having said this, we are always going to be passionate and have our own opinions and that will never change. Thanks for this really great take on this topic.
@@BeardedBrickHead I sincerely appreciate you watching! 🙏 Thank you for that and for the excellent comments!
Great vid Hive!
Thanks! 🙂🙏
Omg when vader said power of mannny I lost it.😂😂😂. Great video. I hate Disney star wars. It's total garbage. The only way they can make a comeback is stop hiring no talent nobody's to make films.
Agreed!
Thank you for watching and commenting! 🙂
Excellent video! I was born in 1989, so i watched Star Wars for the first time on tv in 1998 (yeah, i have THAT kind of memory) Anyway. I watched Jurassic Park before Star Wars, so i never understood the complains about the changes made to special effects. If Star Wars was going to enter the 21th century, obviously changes were needed. Lucas himself worked on Jurassic Park to some degree, and he understood the need for new Star Wars movies to live up to the standards set by the 90s. But that is just my personal take.
Ok, back on track. You’re right about us being passionate to some degree, but i think that is important to add something more to this equation.
We,, Gen Xers and Millenials, grew up in a different way. We stuck to the stories we loved from our childhood long into adulthood, while Gen Zers are digital natives, so they were born in the culture of the immediacy and the disposable. What is cool this year won’t be next year, and this trend started at some point during the 90s. They love videogames more than other forms of entertainment, and the majority of their social interactions were via social media since the very beginning.
Also, seeing kids like my nephews and their friends, they don’t seem to be very passionate about movies or tv shows. Maybe they like some for some season, and then, they forget about it and move onto something else. So reboots, sequels, and remakes are starting to fail. Except, maybe, in the case of Ghostbusters and Jurassic Park.
That was long. Sorry. I wanted to talk about a lot of things that could affect future Star Wars projects. It would be interesting if you could make a video about the culture of the 90s, because it seems that the 80s' aged better. The only family movies IP from that decade that passed the test of time is Jurassic Park itself. And the 90s were full of family movies.
That is a very solid point that I did not think of. The differences in how the newer generation is different with their interests. Thank you for watching and your very insightful and excellent comment!
@@BrickHive thanks to you for sharing . By the way... How many times did i say Jurassic Park ?🤣🤣🤣
Gotta keep the modernization of old movies going at the expense of the creators. But don't let us stop you Disney, the most racist company on this planet.
Agreed! I don't think most people understand that.
Thank you for watching and commenting!
Star Wars fans smoke crack?
Disney crack kills. Laced.
I'm an old fan and thought nitpicking over ki adi mundi was kinda petty. Given how many things were changed between the prequels and OT this one detail about mundi just seems so insignificant...
I am more annoyed at changing things like han shot first and inserting that horrible scene bt han and jabba into ANH. It's that han really is more of an anti-hero in the beginning and it's a rough environment he lives in. And come ROTJ jabba basically acts like a shameless psychopath lol. So i don't buy he was a much smaller and fake-nice individual back in ANH. It feels like a completely different character and a different relationship bt him and Han.
Anyway Mundi never said his age in the prequels and he's an alien so he could have a different lifespan and he probably doesn't think the sith exist for all of season 1 of the acolyte just like he thinks they don't exist at the start of the prequels. He wasn't a character with very many scenes anyway.
It just feels like sometimes people zero in on any change or any difference and launch a full on offensive because of it. Like this isn't like bringing Sidious back for the sequel trilogy or something - that was something that actually changed the entire story.
Anyway i also think there are old fans who like some of the Disney Star wars content. I actually liked the acolyte. I didn't like the sequel trilogy. I liked rogue one. I like andor. I didn't really like ahsoka. Mileage varies.
Everything this video said is petty, pointless, and full of conjecture which feeds into people’s confirmation bias. Gate keeping and the term “real fans” is the dumbest thing since insurance.
Disney space movie franchise is not star wars. Disney doesn't understand what star wars is
Agree, agree, agree!
Wow what a surprise Neil wrong about something. Again.
lol He has been wrong about some shit lately.
@@BrickHive he's a pretend TV scientist like Bill Nye or Mr I don't even know anyone who uses the scientific method Michio Kaku.
Great video, unfortunately you're probably going to be alt right labeled 😂
Son of a bitch! lol
All good. I get my fair share of hate.
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We need to qualify the term "star wars". There is star wars and there is Disney star wars. Star wars fans like "star wars" and despise "Disney star wars".
Agreed! There is a stark difference! Thank you for commenting!
im into this man thanks a bunch
Thank you!
@@BrickHiveno worries man, enjoy your day
George Lucas's Star Wars is the True Star Wars Masterpiece 👸🏻🌟🩷💥⚡🔥
Disney is not canon.
I grew up with star wars, I only got into it when The Phantom Menace came out. I didn't get to see it until it was on DVD. From there I followed the series and I loved/love it still. When disney took it over, I had the same concerns as all the others I talked to that were fans.
And I find myself also affected with that apathy you mentioned. I did like Rogue One, Andor, Rebels, the Clone Wars, even the Bad Batch was decent. ....But the movies.... The movies were just so bad. And the Acolyte???? I'll never watch it, I'll never give disney a cent for what they've done to the series.
@englishpolishmememan8892 It's sad and tragic, really. I got rid of Disney+. Maybe one day I'll get a subscription again.
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It seems that Disney currently makes movies and TV shows that are mostly for people who are not paying attention, and who are essentially using such visual media as background noise. I suppose there is an audience for that type of thing (personally I'd just listen to the radio or podcasts etc), but as I'm the type to make time to watch and pay attention to a show or movie on streaming, they don't cater to people like me (except for a few projects). Oh well, life goes on, subscriptions get cancelled.
@@Rezzanine Totally agree! I have currently canceled my Disney+
I will probably turn it back on when Andor comes back on.
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For the record I still appreciate the canon stuff. Just not Disney. And I will never give people who hate me money if i can help it. And I am not talking about them hating the original fans. No they hate people like me on many fronts.
There are many of us out here. This is why their numbers are dropping and dropping. We are sick of most of this shit. Fans of it can keep it alive now.
Enjoyed your video. +1 sub
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The sequel trilogy isn’t a series of movies. It’s a systematic years-long crime against humanity. Kathleen Kennedy is a cinematic war criminal, and I don’t forgive George Lucas for selling the franchise to Disney to satisfy his own personal greed.
@@rdandura I feel your pain and agree.
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Jar Jar Binks birthed a whole generation of insufferable UA-cam/TikTok personalities (not your type I might add) but hopefully you get the idea
Yeah, I do. Jar Jar is annoying as hell, but it's not like the end all be all of problems. lol
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@@BrickHive thanks for producing a SW vid worth watching!
Because of bud light star wars from Disney
lol
remember when the mediclorians destroyed star wars, pepridge farms remembers.
They never went away. George was going to make them the focus of his sequel trilogy.
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Trash video just trashing fans AGAIN
Wait! Which fans AGAIN? I'm really sorry. I get everyone's "personal subjective feelings" comments mixed up. I am trying.
From an original Star Wars fan, couldn't agree with you more about the Anakin change. Unnecessary and very disrespectful
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