What Tesla Doesn't Tell You About Supercharging
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- Опубліковано 11 гру 2019
- There are many Supercharging secrets Tesla doesn't make known to new owners. How do you charge faster? How should you handle roadtrip charging?
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One thing I like with your videos is that you don't spend minutes "begging" for support, like coffee, t-shirts, hats, etc etc. And most importantly hardly ever wining and wining. Always on the topic and a good balance! Well done.... And all the best.
Thanks!
When charging, it should show on the screen in plain english, “YOU’RE SHARING A CHARGE WITH STALL X AND WILL ONLY REACH X KW/h” until the other stall frees up, simple code
Does the charging protocol support such messages? I doubt it. The better solution is swapping all V2 with V3 and that's what Tesla is going to do.
@@bassbacke yeah, and who knows when that may happen
@@MisterHaynes99 It has already started.
@@bassbacke it has started but will take a long time for sure
@@outdoorsman0331 some people just have a negative way of looking at every thing
The Tesla Owner jackets are killing me.
can't plus this enough, it's like a SNL skit
Plug those jackets in too?
Its so cringe
So eager to show ‘them’ they own a tesla.
Lol
Tesla already reduces the "max charge limit" to 80% when the supercharger is in demand ... it would be nice if they also explained "your charging rate is limited by ... " (cold / sharing / battery age / battery charge level)
Yes.. had a trip recently where it was pretty cold so range was a bit more limited and they limited me to 80% automatically at the Knoxville TN charger that stays fairly busy, and they immediately warn you to stay below 55mph to reach your next destination when departing the charger... instead of routing me to a closer charger or not limiting to 80%. Either would be fine.. but nope. Instead they send me into panic attack mode. GGs Tesla. *sigh*
You still can change it from 80% to a higher number. So, you will have a longer wait, and potentially make others wait a little longer until you are done charging.
As a future Tesla owner this was very helpful
Thanks!
This convinced me I'll stick with my (OMG... The sky is falling !!!....) TDI !
@Erik Vannewkirk why do people want this car? I don't understand. If you do a big road trip like that, you'll have to stop at chargers so many times. It adds like 5 hours of waiting time to your journey unnecessarily
@@marioluigi9599 some people do road trips but other people this is their enjoyment car it’s just for driving around the city a loving life
@@marioluigi9599 also some people like to stop and for me it’s not a big deal cause I barely travel road trips like anything more then 5 hours for us is a plane ticket there
Great video with a lot of useful information! One thing I would add is that the map icon info showing the number of cars charging at a supercharger is sometimes inaccurate.
Thanks for the time and effort it took to make this video!
I will be doing my first long road trip in my new Model 3 in a couple of weeks. These tips are very helpful. Thanks fellas.
What wonderful west coast coverage there must be when you can decide "which supercharger" you want to visit...
Just moved from Bay Area and yes, they are EVERYWHERE. Wasn't until I moved that I realized most other states just view them as roadtrip chargers. In Bay Area they are how a lot of people just charge their car in general.
@@DouglasBailey Superchargers are intended to make long road trips possible. They are not intended for daily use. Anyone who can charge at home or work should use Level 2 charging there. It's better for the battery pack life and grid too.
@@DouglasBailey having free supercharging on all the S/X contributes to that I think. Being in the midwest we have signifigantly more M3s than we do S/X so since it's not free I believe the utilization is more balanced for road trips only.
GREATTTTTT info gentleman. I just got a model 3 and I enjoy it. Thank you for the good knowledge.
Loved this video! I did not know about a Better Route Planner and just downloaded it to plan a trip from Indianapolis to San Jose. The Tesla app gets you to your destination but without any charge. Good to know about the "pairing" at charging stations. And no, I like to have a bit more than 10% when I arrive for charging. Thanks for the vidoe!
More superchargers are needed ASAP. having done two road trip additional chargers and locations are absolutely essential to make travelling less stressful.
When a supercharger is down ...stress..range anxiety.. options can be extremely limited
You mean you want more hazards to kill your self.
And electric car range anxiety is a metal Heath condition…. Good news 📰 is there is a cure buy a gas car.
@@neubauerjoseph I would rather stay home than add the stress of this electric nonsense.
@@DumbledoreMcCracken Do that. I hope for your sake there's an afterlife...
@@ozone7 thanks for pointing out you are a nutcase
Two additional notes for urban drivers. First, as you said, the urban chargers max out at 72kW, so will charge more slowly, although I use this to my benefit, as regular chargers don't give me enough time for a meal :-) Second, urban chargers are often located in the parking garages in malls, and there are often parking fees -- for example the one at the Prudential parking garage in Boston costs $12 minimum, plus charging costs; this is not well reflected in any of the tools offered by Tesla or A Better Route Planner.
This was very helpful. Thanks guys.
We noticed at Tejon Superchargers this Thanksgiving that 2-3 chargers were available, intermittently. When we arrived there was a line through the parking lot (a problem during the heavy traffic on Thanksgiving). The intermittent 2-3 chargers was due to cars constantly pulling out and the number of chargers.
Excellent explanation! Excited that there is a V3 going in at Mackinaw City in Michigan!
A little trick for people coming to a slightly more northern region (like Quebec). If you arrive in winter at a Supercherger terminal, first choose a terminal that has just been released at a free terminal. Thus, if the terminal has just been released, it is still hot, so will transmit the maximum power faster than a terminal that must itself warm up before it can deliver its power.
Not sure that makes sense. Electronics can operate at nearly any temperature. It's the battery pack chemistry that's far more temperature sensitive. That's why Tesla preconditioons the battery pack by heating it for faster Supercharging, when you enter a Supercharger as your destination.
@@LoanwordEggcorn That's what I was thnk'n but I'm just learning.
Cold wire is a better conductor of electricity because of decreased resistance. As the wire heats, resistance increases impeding the flow of current.
@@davidbecker4900 Exactly. Should be about battery temp in a narrow range but charging cables are cooled only.
David Becker True but negligible.
Thanks for comparing ABRP to the Tesla trip planner. Didn't realize there was such a difference.
And another advantage is that you can program waypoints. If you are making a round trip, ABRP will figure out where you have to charge in order to make it back to your starting point.
Jean-Pierre White Love these guys content too, Jean! Hope all is well.
Also, not all Supercharger Staions are the same, here in San Diego there's one where if people have to wait and they're new here they're not aware that a queue starts at the East end while the other end is a bottleneck for traffic.
Super useful. I did not know this. I'm taking delivery on Thursday so this is very good to know.
As always great content guys
I just took delivery yesterday!! Taking my family on a road trip to visit the in-laws in Omaha Nebraska from Colorado. Which Nebraskan superchargers do you enjoy the most? Recommendations on what to do at the chargers?
When traveling, especially to new destination, I always to try to put an extra 10-15% in the battery just in case you run into that could cause an increase in power usage or change of route. it's always good to know if there are other chargers you can go to if needed.
I know of gasoline-cars that have shorter range than most Tesla's, but you never hear them talk in fear of driving from gas-station to gas-station...
I have a tesla model 3 with the smallest battery, but I know I will always reach a "gas-station", so I never think about it! Try it!
@@ozone7 That’s because there’s a gas station at just about every exit and the odds of a gas station being “down” is slim to none.
Another thing I take into consideration is the number of chargers at a given supercharger location. I have found that it is not uncommon for one and sometimes 2 of the chargers to be down. If there are a larger number of stations available at a given location, you have a better chance of being able to immediately charge.
This sounds very logical, Elaine
Good information. Thanks.
Colorado needs more Super Chargers they are all so far from each other and Lone tree is always full. I saw in Denver West they are building a 18 stall.
What a huge pain for a road trip. Too many hoops to jump through. I've seen road trips that have added six and seven hours to a trip. Living in a cold climate in rural U.S. like I do the technology is not there yet. It only works for people in large metropolitan areas who do Limited driving. I. Not against EV's, they just need to advance, and come down in price to make them feasible.
This was very usefull, thank you
Thank you for this! Dont know where I'd he without your tips! I get my model 3 in Feb 😁
The owner's manual!
I find the stall availability can be quite stale (of course it changes quickly). Also, you omitted showing folks where they can see the “1A/1B” markings on the stall. It’s a bit subtle.
Drove from New Jersey to Disney World in November with my Model 3 Performance. At first I let the Tesla GPS set my charging stops but after the first stop I realized I had over 20% battery when I arrived and could have easily made the next one along I-95. So after that I manually picked each one until I found the one with the closest to 10% charge when arriving. That worked better for me. Oh, and if you have to stop at the Savannah Georgia station, it is at the airport. Just navigate to it inside the parking garage. When leaving go to the far left toll booth with your parking ticket. They will not charge you for being there.
Great video guys thanks
Great info. Thanks Erik and David. You do a great job with the videos. Getting rid of the ice machines this month for 2 model 3s. One lr and one p. Taking delivery of the first one on Wednesday. Can’t wait!
I appreciate these informative videos you guys put up. Although I don’t have a Tesla yet I will soon and these videos extremely are helpful, keep it up!
you guys do a good job
As someone noted in an earlier post, I have been at a SuperCharger and it says there are 6 out of 8 stations in use, that is rarely the case. I think that the number of red marks for the number of outlets in use is updated couple times an hour. Pulled into one that said 6 out of 8 in use, and there was one other car. Probably was 6 earlier, but they weren't there when I was. Also, it has shown 0 being used, I showed up, plugged in and 15 minutes later, still shows up as 0.
Happy with my Tesla too, but...those jackets though.... 😂😂
Ok does anyone remember in school when 3 kids used to turn on the faucet simultaneously and as soon as one let go the other 2 saw an increase of water stream? That's pairing in the modern Tesla supercharging era...
I love your videos! I've seen ya around Colorado before, and I cannot wait to own a Tesla!
Thank you.
Very informative
Good video. 1. Does the Tesla nav take into account ambient temperature or time of year when calculating range? 2. Preparing for my first trip. Per your recommendation, I now have an ABRP account but can’t figure out how to tie that in to my Tesla account. Should I and if so, how? 3. Can ABRP get any personal or credit card info in my Tesla account? Thanks.
If Tesla ever does an Apple-like app store, both Waze and A Better Route Planner using the car maps will be huge bestsellers.
On the V3 Superchargers, is there a reason why the 250-kW rate may be short-term? Rather than continuous throughout battery charging. Thanks!
Are you not able to set a max charge (i.e. 80%) and have the app (or a different app) calculate the charging stations to account for that? I don't own one yet, still researching, so I'm just curious how that works. I've seen some videos where the Tesla app showed an odd route plan.
Cool vid! The abstract Ocean code doesn't work btw.. says "expired" .. any other codes?
Sharing of power from same source it reduces the load imbalances and harmonics in the power system
Good tips guys, thanks. Question: If I pull into a stall and I’m the only one using one of the two chargers on that pair and I get the full 150, what happens if someone pulls in and hooks up to the other one? Will mine drop down from the 150? If so, about how much will I lose?
Thanks
Greg
Did you watch the video?
On the topic of charging, since the Model 3 uses CCS in Europe, why didn't Tesla update the cars to use CCS instead of Chademo.
Our area has few Superchargers, but there are multiple CCS chargers. I hope Tesla is planning to send an update soon that allows CCS charging.
Some very good info here. I do want to ask you if you know first about the Norway law suits now Dec 2021;Tesla lost for lowering charing rates to 90 Kw - they said they were doing it to preserve battery life - is that happening in the USA now? You also mentioned the issue with splitting charger capacity; don't a lot of these chargers get reserved? Can you choose which one you get or is that done by the systems?
Thanks
One advantage of having more battery available is power for unexpected issues such as a traffic jam, terrible weather, a flat tire or some combination of those. Having just enough power causes a ton of stress that can be prevented with anothrr 15 mins or so in remote locations. I've owned my own trucking company and designed my own auxiliary power unit (gas generator). I have saved my own ass about 10 times by having extra gasoline available for the issues i just mentioned in extreme heat and cold. My new July/Aug 2023 MY (7 seat) I'll apply that same idea.
** Correction **
Raven Model S/X can charge up to 200 kW maximum on V3 superchargers!
All older Model S/X are limited to ~150 kW maximum. :)
DÆrik I came to the comments to mention this. I have a Raven X but live in Indiana and have only been to the Fremont v3 with our model 3 over the summer and it wasn’t performing up to speed at that time.
Can all versions of the Model 3 supercharge at 250kW at V3 superchargers, or is that only the Performance Version Model 3?
@@vulpo Only long range. Standard range models have a lower charge rate. If you think about it less batteries. batteries can only take so much energy. if you have more cells the power is distributed over them more allowing. "faster" charge.
Up to 170 kW for the Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus (SR+), and up to 200 kW for the Tesla Model 3 Mid-Range (MR)
I think the Model S/X 100D are limited to ~150 kW maximum; Model S/X smaller battery packs charge a lower maximum rates.
Can Supercharger miles be used for merchandise or parts?
Is there anyway to adjust when the car wants a charge? For example is it possible to set the car to want a charge when it is less than 30%? Like an ICE car displaying the low fuel light when it has like 3-50 miles left in the tank.
Tesla can actually update the map software to give you the option to select the state of charge limit for each station or apply the limit to all, like 80%.
A recap for veteran owners but still great information for all the new owners out there - about 360,000+ worldwide in 2019! Disclaimer - I am/we are LONG TSLA!
This aged well
@@Dixonbutts_official yea it did. Half a million cars in 2020 and stock up 500%. Never would have guessed that.
With A Better Route Planner do you need to buy a CHAdeMO adaptor? Does it plan for stops that are non-Tesla chargers?
I charge to 95 percent before long trip then use Tesla Navigation system. I improvise from there based on battery soc when arriving at supercharger. If Tesla navigation has me stopping at a supercharger with high soc I use the system to reroute to another super charger along the way. Ideally I like to stop between 5-10 percent soc.
Seeing the active number of stalls are actually heavily delayed I think it’s about 20 mins off
U was there when it said it was 6 of 8 and no one was s there.
I kept monitoring it while I was charging and it was roughly 20 mins off from what it showed available vs people
Enjoyed your video, but it is unfortunate that charging stations work only for certain brands of EVs. Is it possible to buy an adapter to let me charge a Chevy Bolt EV at a Tesla charging station?
TESLA BUILT THE CHARGING STATIONS BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE WAS DOING IT. SO ONLY TESLA'S CAN CHARGE THERE.
My P85+ had an optional second on-board charger so it was capable of 59 mile range per hour of charge in my 80A garage HPWC. Not sure if that would make any difference at one of the new SC.
Charger in the car is only used for AC charging. Supercharging is direct DC into the battery. And the charger is a fridge sized unit on the edge of the parking lot.
Raven X can charge to 200kW btw. I've tried with my mom's Raven X compared to my pre-raven S which is capped at around 160kW on a V3 station.
Just learning about ev's. Do you start loosing functionality when your battery gets low? Is there a reserve cell in case your battery dies or do you need a tow? Are the prices the same at these superchargers? Roughly how long does it take to charge? Are you actually saving money verses gasoline especially when you add value to your time? Sorry for all the questions, just trying to learn.
Attention off-grid folks: :Tesla advises to keep your car plugged in when not in use )ie when you get home from work). But like me, what if you do NOT have a 110 service, I live off-grid in a house I built myself, There are separate and redundant systems for each area: living room kitchen, bathroom etc. I bought my long range model 3 on June 2, 2021 in Portland OR and charged it 100% in Bend Oregon. (356 miles) I live 135 miles east in Christmas Valley and arrived with 219 miles. Over the course of the next three days I drove less than 8 miles a day but every morning I showed a loss of an additional 20 miles. Tesla explained that one can never shut the Tesla off as there are numerous component that require power. I got a bit nervous as I only had 150 miles of range left and the nearest Supercharger was in Klamath Falls Oregon 130 miles west. I made it with 12 miles of range remaining. So range is an elusive number. It depends on your use of the air conditioner and how often you make it go super fast.
Prior to purchasing my model 3 I asked all over the internet how I could use the sun to charge at home. (True, I could have gone a mile or so to a neighbor to charge overnight but elected not to.) So here is my solution: I bought 8 one hundred watt solar panels i wired in parallel to make 24 volts and then in series (four 24 volts) which cost about $800 with the cables and clamps. An MPPT charge controller accepting 12 or 24 volts which cost $279, two 12 volt deep cycle batteries costing $280 and a 10,000 watt modified sine wave inverter costing $229. Cables and fuses cost another $134, For a grand total of $1801. This inverter provides 220 volts and charges 28 miles per hour.Anyone living off grid with no access to 110 might find my solution will work for them. In short you may not need to visit a supercharger that often.
What if my credit card is maxed out or doesn't work for some other reason, can I pay cash when recharging my Tesla? Can I put money on my Tesla account through some other means such as at a Bank or Albertson's grocery store? What if something goes wrong at the charging station, is there a re-charging station attendant who can help me get re-charged? Does Tesla pay for a tow truck to a Tesla dealer like the gasoline fueled automobile companies (Ford, Chevrolet, etc. )?
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Just picked up my Tesla model S! 🎉
did you get the one with the new seats?
@@shamil454 they probably didnt
Shamil Shakhmamedov I cant tell, they pretty similar anything else that changed besides the seats? Just picked it up on thursday
Congrats dude just got a model 3 last week. We in the future now
Daveco321 let’s go!
You need a CCS adapter for US. So you can charge at Electrify America. Model 3 peaks at 200 kW.... Would be perfect for Holiday Season
CCS should be coming. Model 3 in Europe has CCS by default.
Sure wish the superchargers had a red light when they are broken. It sucks watching people waste time over and over while I charge in an adjacent stall
Technoz Ski , I’ve seen people lay the cable over the top or some carry painters tape and put an X on the charger. If I’m next to an inop charger I’ll let the car pulling in know.
You sit there and watch fellow Tesla owners waste time? They won’t bite. Why not tell them? You are lazy, dumb (literally), or mean.
If you're driving into a headwind and it's a 0° out with the heaters going you will get half the mileage it says, and all that glass makes a great thermal conduction for that heat to leave the cabin. I love Tesla but it is what it is
Missing Piece the snow is even worse... was getting over 600 wh/mi for 50 miles (some stretches over 900 wh/mi)
@@steves.3485 wow! that's bad. No Tesla for me in Wisconsin until the network gets better and the battery is next gen.
Thanks for the great info... but why do you have ur seatbelt on.
For some people it is an unconscious habit. Get in motor vehicle, put seatbelt on.
If you runout of charge is there a way to charge/jump in an emergency?
I live in nh and in Tilton nh there’s a v3 charger I. Was getting over 700 miles an hour.
A very helpful and engaging video. Thanks. However it struck me that of all the places to film myself - a gas station would be very low down on the list (just saying). I guess we all need a 21st century mindset.
How are the chargers paired? Back to back or side by side? Are the chargers identified in a way that shows they are paired, A1 and A2?
Numbers and letters on the stalls. You see it in the video. 1A and 1B are paired, and 2A and 2B, etc etc. At 3:30 in the video you see the left stall is marked 2A and the right one 2B. The layout of the pairs is different at every location.
Where can i get one of those jackets?
Hey, i am New to The channel! I noticed the letter Æ are you Norwegian? If so hey from the Capital of Norway 🇳🇴
I have seen anyone explain why the battery needs to be preconditioned when you are on a trip - doesn't driving keep it warm and if not why doesn't the BMS keep it at optimal temp. and therefore optimal range??
WIsh more Tesla owners would check-in and give feedback on Plugshare. Plugshare can give you up to date status of Superchargers and any issues with them.
They have V3 chargers on most the interstates now in Arizona such as 10 and 40 But last i knew of they were still installing. So if you are in, or passing through, Arizona you may be able to use the V3 or V2. Tesla X and 3 Owner here
Hi, first commend here but I always watch your videos, does that 3rd party website take in considerations uphills and downhills? I went to lake tahoe last summer and I almost run out of battery because I was going uphill most of the time and the tesla screen miscalculated my final destination estimate, regards and looking forward for your reply
Yes, A Better Route Planner does take into account elevation gain/loss. It's a great website!
DÆrik thank you 🙏!
Shouldn’t Tesla take elevation into account? I plan on taking my car to the mountains this winter and that is concerning!
Tesla does take into account elevation changes; however, if you are towing or have a lot of cargo it might not calculate correctly. It also assumes that you are driving the speed limit. If you drive faster or slower, the initial estimate will not be correct; however, this can be monitored on the 'Trip' tab.
What is the route planner your recommended ?
Press and hold the button on the charge handle to release it.
Just saw a lady with a model X unable to charge at a supercharger and never figured out why, but it has been added to my other concern. Range anxiety now paired with inability to charge. Now, charging may take longer with other people. Oh boy.
The "nearest supercharger" function in the app doesn't work well. On road trips it seems like it's always lagging behind, showing ones I've already passed rather than the nearest ones ahead of me. The on-screen maps seem to be the only place where I can look ahead and see how many stalls are available. I'd also like to be able to use the app to look in any area (not just close to me) as I'm planning my trip, for example, I know I'm going to passing through the Thousand Oaks to Atascadero area around 2 PM tomorrow so at 2 PM the day before I'd like to be able to see which superchargers are least busy at that time of day. The only way I know to do that is to use the on-screen map in the car. If anyone knows a better way please tell me.
Share with Tesla your 'INTENT' from your road trip plan to use specific supercharger at the estimated time of arrival. Information from other users, combined, would give more accurate availability estimate at the time when you actually arrive vs. availability in the present moment?
what about if you are in a store and charging completes but can't make it to the car in time to move; can you keep increasing the range so it starts charging again so it does not charge idle fees? what is best method or trick for this?
Yes, you can. I did that in Yuma when we were eating dinner. Car said it had enough charge to continue my trip, and said to move to avoid idle fees. I changed the charging to 100% and it continued on without idle fees while we finished dinner. And no, we weren't blocking spots that others needed...we checked first.
Idle fees only apply when at least 50% of the sales are in use.
The best trick is to move your car so someone else can charge... but like the last guy said - idle fees are only charged when over 50% of the stalls are in use.
If you want to be a real jerk you could just unplug your car but not move it...
And what I find interesting about these supercharging station for Tesla is that basically you have to stay there to charge the car. It will not let you take off for some reason and that's why I say that if you're going to charge the car stay there with the car so that when it's done charging then you can take off! And that's helped Tesla's self-driving cars are going to do. The same way the regular touch with will have to do basically fully charged!
My question is can you supercharge at 40 percent to 70 percent or should you drain your battery to 20 below first ?
Great video, but one thing not mentioned: What are the economics of using a supercharger vs charging at home?
YOU CAN'T CHARGE FROM HOME WHEN YOU'RE ON THE ROAD. CHARGE AT HOME FOR DAILY USE.
the jackets remind me of the 80"s "members only" jackets LOL!
Bryan M 😂😂😂
Sounds more like hauling a load than road trip. Are there many options to get off the beaten path?
Don’t think we have A Better RoutePlanner yet here in Australia. You cannot afford to skip Superchargers here in an SR+ as they are about 200kms apart. Also the number of chargers in use on the App is totally bogus here. Some always say 4 of 6 available but when you arrive there is nobody there.
yes, abetterrouteplanner works for Straya as well. Just back from a 680km trip to Brizzie in a Model S and the planner had it right to the milliwatt. Either use the web page or download the app, even Cybertruck is in there as a beta.
what happens if you run out of battery? Can a tow truck give you a jump?
just so i understand, if you go to paired supercharger and you're the first one there, your charging speed won't be reduced if car #2 shows up?
Yes
No, it could be slightly reduced... the minimum allocation is 20kw for each stall so if you were charging at 150kw it would drop to 130, and usually even a bit lower. Being first you will still have priority, but both cars will charge slower.
Someone mentioned camp mode to reduce energy being used while charging and you are inside the car. Anyone heard of that? New M3 owner 😍
Kind of agree, but not totally. I will more often than not coordinate my charging stops with plans to stop for meals, potty breaks, and overnight stays. In many cases, I'm not concerned that charging time is on the longer side. I will often run my battery down to 15% before stopping for a meal and then charging all the way to 95% before continuing on my trip. I rarely find myself waiting for a charge. In fact, I often have to interrupt a meal to unplug my car if occupancy is 50% or more to avoid idle charges. As charging speeds increase even further with V3 Superchargers, the likelihood of actually waiting at the car to finish charging increases.
Where can I buy those jackets you are wearing.
They were referral prizes. I don't think they sell them.
They look very nice 👍🏽
*Trans-Canada Highway.... And they were installed 2 months ago, but they don't all work.