Shimming the engine block of B5254T4 for Volvo S60R/V70R

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  • @untitleditem2334
    @untitleditem2334 7 місяців тому +7

    hahha, nice mark you left on the cylinder sleeve at 4:50. Then went on to say how you don't want that. That must have hurt.

    • @ehmjauhh5495
      @ehmjauhh5495 6 місяців тому

      He didn't even see it I beleave 😂

    • @swedesource6785
      @swedesource6785  Місяць тому

      @@ehmjauhh5495 Sadly, I did see it.. I hate myself for it 🤣 but thankfully it's an inconsequential area.

  • @austenbarton2027
    @austenbarton2027 3 роки тому +10

    Does the shims being so long, extending that far into the coolant passages, partly blocking them right off, restrict coolant flow in any way?

    • @johnthompson5466
      @johnthompson5466 3 місяці тому

      it's got 2 I'd try to bend them a little more at the end so that they flow better but that might cause a problem for whatever reason

  • @Itz_Joe_Here
    @Itz_Joe_Here 3 місяці тому +2

    Can you make the shims shorter or less in width to fit better?

  • @jmccarsnmore1025
    @jmccarsnmore1025 2 роки тому +3

    I’m looking at a V70R, and heard the phrase “shimmed block” because of a known issue. And the fact that I now know what it means, and can see the cylinders divided in between, it all gone through the toilet!! No way I’m getting this car!! 🤣 🤣 🤣 Next car I get, closed deck all the way!!

  • @magnus122
    @magnus122 2 роки тому +4

    How common are these cylinders to crack? I really want to get my hands on a ‘05 S60R within the next 2-3 years, and just want to know what to be cautios about when it comes to maintenance and stuff like that? Let’s say I go for a stage 1 tune pushing 354hp / 493 nm torque. Will I have to worry about shimming the block?

    • @airmalone2813
      @airmalone2813 2 роки тому +1

      Prob some people have cracked them on stock tune

    • @Sr.-Mizz
      @Sr.-Mizz 2 роки тому

      About 3 in 10. Alot of Europeans swaped to the regular 2.5t engine and tune it since the cylinder walls don't have that gap. But it's all dependent on how many times and how often the owner pushes the car.

    • @wiktorhogberg1952
      @wiktorhogberg1952 Рік тому +1

      @@Sr.-Mizz Every whiteblock engine has the slot between the liners. Making them hold a lot of power is all about tune.

  • @jockobacumbo623
    @jockobacumbo623 2 місяці тому

    Why do you have the extra length on the ends protruding into the water passage? Could you give the measurement of the length of the shim and not just the thickness? How did you fabricate the metal for the shim and what is it made out of?

  • @lukaszperski9370
    @lukaszperski9370 Рік тому +2

    I think the shims are too long and it can affect on cooling, why didn't you cut them to have 2-4mm for each side?

  • @ryanspeck2248
    @ryanspeck2248 3 роки тому +4

    A steel shim in an aluminum block? Wouldn't the different thermal expansion rates cause issues?

    • @nikolai502
      @nikolai502 3 роки тому +8

      I would believe the space between the cylinders was Split for a reason

    • @TommyboyGTP
      @TommyboyGTP 3 роки тому +2

      Vast majority of aluminum block engines have steel sleeve cylinder liners. You can see it in the video.

  • @promoe9148
    @promoe9148 5 днів тому

    I just found out that theres something called "Shimming an engine" but what is the point of this?😅
    I suppose the cracks where he adds the shim are from factory, so is it to make the block more stable from combustion vibration or, whats the point?😅
    And if it IS from factory, then why the cracks?😅

  • @TommyboyGTP
    @TommyboyGTP 3 роки тому +4

    Can you shim the block with it still in the car?

  • @DarthVader-gc2os
    @DarthVader-gc2os 3 роки тому +3

    How do you know that the shims will stay in place and not slide down over time?

    • @SawDawify
      @SawDawify 3 роки тому +2

      The slit is only at the top of the cylinder it doesn't go any deeper

    • @swedesource6785
      @swedesource6785  Місяць тому

      The slot is only nearly as deep as the shim is wide.

  • @willriley1619
    @willriley1619 3 роки тому +1

    It just taps in that easy? No cutting or anything like that?

  • @alouisschafer7212
    @alouisschafer7212 Рік тому

    Is this an issue with the NA engines at all? The T4 makes around 300hp while the NA versions are below 200hp. While they all use the same block right?
    Well, no surprise the open deck block with expansion gaps in between the cylinders has its limits.

  • @SVTKeats
    @SVTKeats Рік тому

    Do you need to pull the engine to do this or can it be done in car? Early stages looking at a T5 V70R and a S60R. Not sure which way I’ll go

    • @swedesource6785
      @swedesource6785  Рік тому

      You can do it with the engine in the vehicle no problem.

  • @belekas2729
    @belekas2729 3 роки тому +32

    4:50 Engine block was damaged little bit after tapping.

    • @swedesource6785
      @swedesource6785  3 роки тому +17

      Yes, I did tap that outer edge a bit. I was looking at the camera and not what I was doing. Fortunately, it's an inconsequential spot because it doesn't aide in the sealing of the cylinder to the head. Obviously it was frustrating but I didn't notice it until after I had made the video 🤷‍♂️🤣

    • @belekas2729
      @belekas2729 3 роки тому +2

      @@swedesource6785 Glad it's ok. :)

    • @MrCrabbing
      @MrCrabbing 3 роки тому

      @@swedesource6785 I reckon it was the ball bearing that caught it there, I have a B5234T4 and I have just started to see coolant in my oil, only a little hardly anything missing from the expansion tank at all but the oil has discoloured on the dipstick a little, once I started it from cold a couple of months ago and it had a slight misfire, it went after 30 seconds or so and has not done it since, I'm hoping its not the liner issue I didn't think this was common on the 2.3 engine?

    • @austenbarton2027
      @austenbarton2027 3 роки тому +3

      @@MrCrabbing B5254T4 engine is a 2.5. Hence B5(25)4T4

    • @MrCrabbing
      @MrCrabbing 3 роки тому

      @@austenbarton2027 B5234T4 R5 2.3L

  • @clonetrooper576
    @clonetrooper576 4 роки тому +1

    if i did go buy the sheet metal shims, i know their thickness but about how long would these be? and do they need to go lower into the block or is what you have sufficient enough?

    • @swedesource6785
      @swedesource6785  3 роки тому +1

      The shims do not need to go lower, the problem area is at the top of the cylinder. You can save a lot of time by purchasing our shims.

    • @maimaira6756
      @maimaira6756 7 місяців тому

      ​@@swedesource6785 do you have for volvo s40 t3 engine

  • @dennisbreeveld6842
    @dennisbreeveld6842 Місяць тому

    Will the shims not slide down over time?

    • @swedesource6785
      @swedesource6785  Місяць тому +1

      The slot doesn't go deeper than just about the width of the shim.

  • @BuiltForSpeed
    @BuiltForSpeed 4 роки тому +5

    Maybe make the shims to sell for who wants to do it?

    • @BuiltForSpeed
      @BuiltForSpeed 4 роки тому

      @@k89ranger i dont think there is a .031 size.

    • @swedesource6785
      @swedesource6785  4 роки тому +4

      @@BuiltForSpeed I purchased a large roll of 0.031" steel. I have enough to probably make 200 shims.

    • @DMDAUTOLLC
      @DMDAUTOLLC 4 роки тому +4

      Yes make some and sell them cheap I need another Swedesource sticker for other side of wideshield

    • @swedesource6785
      @swedesource6785  4 роки тому +2

      @@lumimobb I'm also working on making shims for sale. I've got enough material to make about 300 shims.

  • @johno9507
    @johno9507 2 роки тому

    I'm trying to understand a statement you made on another comment.
    Did you shim the engine after the cylinder cracked, and then got another 100000k miles out of it?
    Ie: Will shims fix an already cracked cylinder?

    • @swedesource6785
      @swedesource6785  2 роки тому

      I've never done that, no. But I've heard of people successfully doing that. Obviously, I'm sure it highly depends on how bad the crack is. Basically, I've seen people stuff JB weld into the slot with a shim and just call it a day. Sounds like too much work for a "maybe".

    • @johno9507
      @johno9507 2 роки тому

      @@swedesource6785
      Thanks for the reply. 🙂🇦🇺

  • @mrnurse4479
    @mrnurse4479 3 роки тому +2

    Nice video, whats the purpose and bad side of shimming the engine block?

    • @Sr.-Mizz
      @Sr.-Mizz 2 роки тому

      If those gaps are not shimmed, the cylinder walls will crack, causing catastrophic engine damage. Regardless if the car is tuned or bone stock

  • @marshkid1
    @marshkid1 4 роки тому +1

    How long does this take to do? And what are the costs? How much would you charge? Thanks!

    • @swedesource6785
      @swedesource6785  4 роки тому

      Message me directly through the SwedeSource Facebook or IG account.

    • @HandMadeRoyalty
      @HandMadeRoyalty 3 роки тому

      My machinist didnt charge me for this since he didnt have to machine anything.

  • @vladimirmazurin4539
    @vladimirmazurin4539 2 роки тому

    Здравствуйте подскажите пожалуйста эти проставки нужно ставить на двигатель volvo s60 2.4 т В5244т3 и сколько они стоят

  • @williamgolden839
    @williamgolden839 3 роки тому +1

    Can I ask what this fixes or improves?

    • @swedesource6785
      @swedesource6785  3 роки тому +7

      The small gaps between the cylinders allows for the cylinder walls to expand, and when that happens they crack. The middle two cylinders are particularly prone to expanding and cracking. This problem is primarily on the B5254T4 engine out of the S60R/V70R because it has the thinnest cylinder liners out of the 5 cylinder engines installed in Volvos. Thin cylinder liners, combined with the highest horsepower and torque output of any factory 5 cylinder means bad news.
      Shimming the gap with snug pieces prevents the expansion of the cylinder liner. So far, I personally haven't heard of anyone with a shimmed block getting a crack in their cylinder liner. It's not a perfect solution, but it's the most cost-effective one.
      I personally owned an S60R which ended up having two engines with cracked liners, and since shimming I continued for another 100k miles without another cracking issue.

    • @williamgolden839
      @williamgolden839 3 роки тому +1

      @@swedesource6785 thanks for the answer

    • @RepsolRC211V
      @RepsolRC211V 2 роки тому

      @@swedesource6785 does that shims prevent cracked liners? thas is problem on fosus rs mk2 305hp with B5254T3 engine too? it is posible to re-sleeved it?

    • @johno9507
      @johno9507 2 роки тому

      @@swedesource6785
      I'm trying to understand your statement.
      Did you shim the engine after the cylinder cracked, and then got another 100000k miles out of it?

    • @mrscootscoot662
      @mrscootscoot662 Рік тому +1

      @@RepsolRC211V The shims help prevent the cylinders from expanding which is what causes them to crack, so yes this will help prevent the similar issues with the cylinder liners. Ford owned Volvo in the mid 00's and the Mk2 Focus RS used a variant of this engine so it's highly likely this would be a solve there too.

  • @stebansb
    @stebansb 3 роки тому +1

    What Is the shims function on an engine?

    • @AADiego
      @AADiego 3 місяці тому

      reinforce the cylinder walls so they dont crack under pressure

  • @piotrhazymut1953
    @piotrhazymut1953 3 роки тому

    How much engine will take after this operation? Can I buy this shims from you?

    • @swedesource6785
      @swedesource6785  3 роки тому +1

      Yes we sell the shims on our website.
      There isn't really an answer about what it can handle. That highly depends on your tune, fueling, and many other factors. I'd say it's safe to say that it can at least handle stock horsepower 🤣
      I personally ran 20 PSI reliably on the stock internals with shims.

  • @duhduhlovo1670
    @duhduhlovo1670 3 роки тому

    What did you use to clean the cylinders

    • @swedesource6785
      @swedesource6785  3 роки тому

      Scotch pads and elbow grease. Tape off the deck and you can also use a wire brush for heavy buildup, just bring the piston to TDC while doing this.

  • @oldgary1855
    @oldgary1855 3 роки тому +2

    this is kind of like asmr

  • @syahizad
    @syahizad 3 роки тому

    Good info.. Thanks.

  • @jamesgeorge6551
    @jamesgeorge6551 3 роки тому +1

    B5234T3 Owner no silly shim business, thank you. But the H/G is toast :-(

    • @MisterTurnister
      @MisterTurnister 3 роки тому

      2.3L no shimming needed? up to what HP? And what does "H/G is toast" mean? Thanks!

  • @k89ranger
    @k89ranger 4 роки тому +6

    Can't wait to shim my block so i can add water/meth and crank the boost a bit more.

    • @dafretz
      @dafretz 3 роки тому

      @Gustavo Braylon SPAM

    • @dafretz
      @dafretz 3 роки тому

      @Valentino Tanner SPAM

  • @phiberoptick
    @phiberoptick 3 роки тому +2

    0.031 inch = 0.7874 millimeter

  • @Pri78G
    @Pri78G 3 місяці тому

    Nice video but while shimming can strengthen the engine structure, it could have unintended consequences such as hindering coolant flow or restricting cylinder sleeve expansion. cylinder sleeve gap is there for a reason. These engines have been designed by engineers with qualifications and years of experience. Is there concrete statistical evidence to prove that shims actually fix the problem? What if multiple variables are contributing to the problem? Poor tuning, poorly maintained cooling system. Excessive revving, poorly maintained lubrication system...etc.

    • @JMT1227
      @JMT1227 3 місяці тому

      If there were actually unintended consequences, people would be talking about it. But they aren't.
      If the engineers knew what they were doing, cylinders wouldn't be cracking in the first place.
      The best motors out there are completely closed deck. Honda guys fill their blocks.
      I've personally been selling shims for years, and not a single person has came back saying their motor cracked.

    • @Pri78G
      @Pri78G 3 місяці тому

      @@JMT1227 Thanks for taking time to respond. I had to be honest and open with my question because I drive a stage 2 tuned 2010 Focus ST. It doesn't have shims however, I don't do track driving. Still a concern though.

  • @forwhatitsworth364
    @forwhatitsworth364 3 роки тому

    Just put some sway bars.

  • @jogin211
    @jogin211 Рік тому +1

    Oh fukc in 4:49 you tipy tap tap that shim and hit cylinder top with ¼ socket. You destroy it...

    • @justintosch7162
      @justintosch7162 Рік тому

      Yes, but that's not where the gasket seals. It's a non-crucial area. It won't have any effect on the engine.

  • @jim5alive
    @jim5alive Рік тому +1

    Dude marked the head gasket mating surface. Not cool.

    • @JMTosch
      @JMTosch Рік тому

      Fully aware. I was watching the camera and slipped up. Thankfully it was an inconsequential location.

  • @CaptainBreny
    @CaptainBreny 2 роки тому

    0.78 mm :D