Luna and Flare Reveals their 𝐹𝑒𝓉𝒾𝓈𝒽 - Hololive
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Luna gives an unexpected answer to a viewer-submitted question.
Source: • 【 #フレルーナ 】高級クラブルーナにふーた...
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Most of the misunderstandings come from which definition of Seiheki or Fetish you use.
Flare used the definition in the question,
While Luna used a definition closer to our English understanding of Fetish.
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Himemori Luna - Hololive 4th Generation
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Shiranui Flare - Hololive 3rd Generation
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Twitter: / shiranuiflare
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Luna's honestly based, props to her for not playing it safe and actually coming up with a proper kinky answer.
As kinks go, it was still pretty mild to be honest.
@@soulextracter But it sure was an unique one.
@@UnclePutte Well, yes and no. There are many people who have that kink, mainly women are into the holding part, but it's not talked about that much. All kinks involving urine, goes under the umbrella term Urolagnia. The Japanese term Omorashi is more focused on the holding and the self-wetting parts of urolagnia.
@@soulextracter aargh, AARGH
@@UnclePutte You good mate?
Oh dear.
So Flare likes the type of guy like Patrick Bateman. _😳_
Ahhh so preference and fetish have the same word. That certainly makes it slightly more complicated to discuss lol
Luna: You say something embarrassing on the same level.
Flare: I don’t have anything on that level!
The entire chat: *X*
"Characters extroverted but with heavy baggage inside"
So...Omaru Polka ?
Dam right
Does she have a lot of baggage internally? The only tip I've gotten to that was that one edgy song she put out.
I'd love to know about her tho. She's one of HL's best personalities imo
@@gtcWoona She is very down to earth when it comes to otaku unhealth life style and the whole "idol" thing. So while enjoying the stream and the gigs ,she also have the habit of self deprecating jokes. Its no secret that Polka its already a graduated idol, recruited by Yagoo after quitting. That adds up to her sharp quips and cynicism towards the Vtuber cycle. She knows that otaku people in Japan are usually obsessed, unhealth incels, and that her job its basically to pander for that crowd. Beyond the catchy and feel good songs we all know and love, lies one ugly picture. Recently Rushia did a stream in Nico Nico live shilling for one scam cellphone app. People got upset and called her a criminal, resulting on Rushia arguing at her chat, calling them scum. This is, before anything, the real face of otaku culture and streaming on Japan, and something Polka would probably make fun of. As example, she did a "UA-cam shorts" video where the setup its that one idol thinks she is going for one Vtuber audition, when its obviously a porn casting. Only Polka seems to poke fun at those taboo subjects that revolves around her job and the toxic culture around it. She even made a joke about sex toys on PolDen as "the way a Vtuber deals with life" . Its cynical, bitter, sharp and, of course, hilarious.
@@sansnom5269 In which PolDen episode is that? may i have a link?
@@apalagi08 It was in the episode with guest Vtubers, Ponpoko and Peanuts. They are trying to guess what each other purchase on internet last time. Ponpoko has a censored item, obviously being a sex toy.
Why is everyone in Hololive holding their pee? That's the third, at least!
I guess it's a streamer thing. Lol
Something to do with the flood gates thingy, esp for girls.
Wait, there are others..?
it's probably the most common fetish for women, so just statistically it makes sense that they'd have it
@@pasta8026 I believe both Matsuri and Marine have talked about enjoying such things. Not sure if there are others.
Flare tried, Flare tried so hard to rephrase the question. And then... Luna.
Suppressed laughter of Flare = win.
the music stopping was so perfect at the reveal lmao
Hilarious!
Comedic timing strikes again.
Flare tying to be nice to Luna: "You can name something harmless too"
Confused Luna: "wha? I can? But I specifically picked the question because I thought it's pervy"
lol, respect for Luna. That was a proper weird one.
Luna giving the audience exactly what they wanted. What a belevolent princess.
Man, they're both right yet wrong.
Flare's all like "I like hands" or "I like feet" but doesn't connect that to perversion.
Then there's Luna who knows fetishes are perverted, but doesn't seem to recognize hands and feet as something that people get off to.
The Japanese use of the word "fetish" doesn't necessarily apply specifically to perversion, although it can. Flare defining a fetish as "a trait you really like" is accurate for how the word is used in Japan. Fubuki's infamous appreciation for glasses could be considered a fetish as well. Luna's assumption at fetishes are perverted, while not entirely inaccurate, doesn't technically apply to every fetish. So technically they're both right, Luna just had a bit of a misunderstanding lmao.
@@SilverScizor753
My hip is not a sexual symbol...
@@The5armdamput33 factually incorrect
@@ninjablade2
I know it's not true, but those are words directly from the Captain's mouth...
You're going to have to take it up with her...
@@The5armdamput33 Like many thing Senchou says, a true pirate needs to look with their eyes and see things for what they really are~
*finishes watching*
"This is the most cursed thing i've ever seen."
*replays video*
Just the tip of the iceberg...
Better hope FBI asleep.
I guess if you've barely seen anything on the internet than this COULD be the most cursed thing you've ever seen.
@@dillankempter5780 Well, i never even bothered to search like suspicious or straight up evil stuff on the internet.
@@Ajay-dy3xw Well it is the internet, doesn’t really matter if you search up the stuff or not. If you use some sort of chatting, forum boards, or just hang around in the internet ,you’re bound to see some cursed or just fucked up shit sometimes.
For the longest time, I thought the "sei"(性) in seiheki(性癖) meant sex, which would make seiheki = sexual preference, or kinks. I just looked up the definition for seiheki and the "sei"(性) actually came from kosei (個性), or personality. The word actually meant "innate (bad) habit" (translated from Japanese), which would be more like natural inclination to do or like certain things, or quirks (e.g. collecting things, speak loud, empathetic)
Just my "TIL" from why Luna had a misunderstanding.
ah so even in Japanese there's confusion between "fetish" and "kink"
Flare was trying so hard to soften the blow before she said it then Luna said it and she was like “no you actually ARE a pervert” lmao
Thank you Translator-san for adding context and additional info on what they're talking about, much appreciated!
Why do I feel like I've heard this from Matsuri as well before
Introducing Hololive's newest group, Luna, Matsuri, and Marine: Holomorashi!
Bahaha that's great
Ok google. How to like a comment multiple times.
now if only marine can get permission for an endurance stream like that lol
@@lamywater only one way that ends lmao
@@lamywater Now that's a stream I'd set an alarm for -_>
Forbidden Knowledge. Thank you Luna!
Oh boy. Luknights will never let this one down lmao 🤣
After all they never gone around and around and hurt her
Don't worry Luna, at least you are not the only one in Hololive who likes that lmao
Lmao birds of a feather I guess
My lore knowledge is inadequate, who else has mentioned liking this?
Wait who else likes that
Ineed answer
@@bakamitaii1572 God
Flare was so prepared to support Luna's answer but then she heard the clarification and just dropped the "That's just a pervert" lmaooo
Thanks for the subs!
Nothing would have mentally prepared me for that answer...
at about 7:02 Luna starts to lose control of her child like voice. It's not as pronounce a change as people think. she just gets rid of the lisp and maybe goes down half a step
thanks, Sir
Excitement was too high
ガチじゃん 😂
.... I'm sure Matsuri will find that information very interesting...
Luna-hime... is that Matsuri's influence?
for education. apparently some girls benefit from having a full bladder to get more pleasure. what basically happens is that the full bladder puts internal pressure on the sexual nerves.
Luna sounded like she really wanted to say it but at the same was unsure if she should
XDDD Flare was all "this is a judgement-free zone" but then was like "omg Luna wtf bro."
I loved watching Flare and Luna having a drink together at night.
Luna's fetish was totally unexpected, but to be honest... this clip is a gem lol
You might even say it's golden.
(Sorry)
4:57 let's not forget Matsuri who talked about her pee drinking fetish lmao
Dude I just fucking GAGGED! WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?
So... now i have that knowledge and i really don't know how to feel about it lol
"I like honding my pee"
Sasuga baby princess
I can imagine Luna aging the longer the conversation goes on
So... Matsuri then...
Lool i thought the same as Luna for what the question meant. That's a pretty surprising answer though
And what did you think the question was asking exactly because I actually can't understand what she thought it was asking I know what the person seemingly was trying to say but the question was asked so poorly Luna seemed to misinterpret it the question should have been as simple as do you have any fetishes
@@msbkaioken136 The word the requester used in the question was "seiheki" (性癖), which is talking about traits you like or something you might consider a "charm point," etc. (The rambling explanation the requester gives before asking the question proper is actually quite comprehensive.)
However, that word can also be used colloquially to refer to one's sexual fetishes, which seems to be how Luna interpreted it...
@@amloessb wow how annoying the word is up for that much interpretation those two things are two completely different outcomes and really two completely different questions and I have to ask if the explanation that the person gave was actually quite comprehensive then was the translation on this video bad
@@msbkaioken136 We have a similar breadth of interpretation for the word "fetish" in English as well. If I were to say I have a "long hair fetish," that could mean anything from "long-haired girls are my type" to "I get off on girls wrapping their long hair around my ****."
By her own admission (at 2:40), Luna says she just saw the word "seiheki" in the question and picked it without reading the rest, so it sounds like she had prepared that answer in advance without realizing that the question was asking something else altogether, and decided to just roll with it.
As for the translation, it does feel wrong to use the word "fetish" as the translation of "seiheki," mostly because the meaning skews harder toward the sexual side in English (though they do try to explain it in the description of the video). However, I really don't want to cast aspersions in this regard, as it would take a far more creative writer than I to come up with a good translation for "seiheki" in this context which doesn't require the addition of TL notes.
@@amloessb thanks that's interesting I suppose but I have to say I don't think I really agree with your analogy if someone said that I would tell them they're being very annoyingly vague and they should have worded that better like they're absolutely ways of speaking in English to not leave things up for so much interpretation especially with your example the second interpretation would require a lot of assumption to be made my first thought would just be that the person is using the term fetish wrong and that they were referring to type which are two very different things
This was gold watching it live, but it's even better now that I can understand the whole scene (still learning Japanese). This is definitely blursed knowledge, but I do look forward to the new R34 art with Luna and the 'omorashi' tag lmao. 😂
Like it was mentioned in a comment, 「性癖」actually does mean both "preference" and "fetish", depending on the situation, but there's the casual slang 「フェチ」that's a more distinct way to refer to "fetish".
Whoever asked them that question really did just make up their own definition for fetish because that's not what it means
Well, kinda have to put it that way for the 0 year old princess
I think Seiheki has a different context compared to fetish. Seiheki can be your preference towards a characteristic or trait exhibited by someone, while fetish is a lot more explicit in that it involves sexuality.
Yeah it seems you gotta be wary of translated topics like this, I can't tell who is "right" without knowing what the word actually translates as
Using the context of the question and the ensuing conversation, fetish is the technically correct translation of the word because we went from 'preference' to 'fetish' PDQ thanks to Luna's answer.
Artists... You heard the woman!
Wait... I'm an artist... But I don't draw those kinds of things, so someone else is going to have to do it for me...
Is Luna gradually changing her voice? or just growing up? I remember her voice used to be much more "child-like" and here she often sounds like an older teen or young adult.
The character voices are very strenuous on the girls. A few of them had to take breaks because they were getting hoarse and developing nodules.
Since her recent costume, yes, she has been acting more like a little kid than her traditional "0-years-old baby" self.
Matsuri NO!! Oh sorry, force of habit.
Luna NO!
Seriously funny and awkward moment here though, awesome clip!
Hmm... interesting 👀
i love how flare was like "yeah yeah go ahead just say it" all the time and once luna said it she was like "lets move on to the next question" hahahaha
What the actual fuck did i just hear from Luna's innocent mouth?
Matsuri might be grinning in some other part of the world=
Dear. Sweet. Lord. Someone check in on Yagoo. Someone check his dang pulse!
I was going to say that it didn't seem like these two understood the definition of "fetish" but... I would definitely classify Luna's answer as a fetish. Yep.
Ok... Who besides me nearly popped their eyes out and rechecked if they read luna's fetish correctly...
🙋♂️
Flare doing her best to hold her laughter was so funny to see
Bro she dropped anuclear bomb with that answer. WTF!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Man i feel like this could have been explained better... but luckily it wasnt? What an answer lmao
I would have explained like like this. A fetish is something you like in/about a person/character, for example when they wear glasses, or tights or they are a bad boy type personality etc
Subaru understanding 'seiheki' better than Luna threw me for a loop initially, like "oh my god Luna's more seiso than Subaru"... But then she mentioned the holding pee fetish xD
So Luna's kind of the opposite or Matsuri... Who likes to **not** hold it :D
-Same, Luna, same...-
A hand fetish? Huh. I wonder if out there somewhere, there's a Quentin Tarentino of hands.
Holy crap that got some tears out of me, the revelation and reactions were too funny.
_My fetish is mommy 😳_
that italicized emoji is kinda cursed lmao
@@Yenrei whoa let me try it too
_😳😂_
@@oujimandias6485 How tho?
@@Ajay-dy3xw enclose it using underscores before and after say, a _word_
or like this _💎❤️💎❤️_
_😶🌫️_
Flare's wheezing is fantastic.
I hate that I know this, but what Luna is describing falls under the category of "omorashi". It appears to be a primarily Japanese thing, hence the name.
While I'm sure many of you won't believe me, I learned this from Wikipedia's list of paraphilias and you can read a relatively SFW description of it there.
Luna's airheadedness is hilarious
It's not a fetish though. Of course a baby would be proud of having achieved bladder control.
Me thinking: she's going to say something cute
Me actually: 😮😮😮
Well... maybe she is just potty training? ... though the imagery might make all of this even worse... for some... XD
It all began when Marine and Luna did impressions of each other.
Do you think she likes holding it to the point she almost pisses herself? Or that she likes the warmth that pissing yourself imbues? Or the relief sensation?
Omorashi! Get that art started guys!
noted all i need is to become extroverted
Just noticed "Whisky" is misspelled.
My God, Luna-hime is so... Awesome here and at various levels.
Luna’s right : fetishes are “sukebe” (lewd), Hololive in general desexualized the term “fetish” but the definition is clear : “an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression”. It has something to do with sexuality.
No one says : “I have a fetish for intelligent people” when you just like intelligent people for example.
@Boa-Noah Well, I don't think it's a fetish, for Luna : a fetish is something you like on others, generally. But I may be wrong
Holyshit, you worded it perfectly.
I'm copy/pasting your comment and saving it to a note file next time I need to explain too.
@@Mecks089 I just copy-pasted the definition of "fetish" from Merriam-Webster, so you can easily find it on the internet
this isn't a good definition, fetishes aren't inherently "NECESSARY for sexual gratification". a more accurate definition is on wiktionary: getting aroused by something nonsexual (aka paraphilia) or an irrational obsession with something (not necessarily sexual)
so in luna's case, there's actually a term for her fetish: omorashi
You know what, flare is a family friendly wholesome dark elf. I mean a question regarding fetish is usually be viewed as something sensitive but when it comes to flare, she word it quite nicely and made it much milder than it usually is.
Flare said many times that she doesn't like being called a dark elf
*half elf
I don't particularly find it embarrassing but it's a weird one for sure. Perhaps she's a masochist lol. I only have painful memories of holding my pee bc of circumstances but maybe it's a slightly different feeling for girls, I doubt it tho.
Another question to add now, does luna like the pain in holding the pee or the pleasure in releasing it?
thats actually a dangerous thing to do. its not healthy for your bladder and kidneys
:o
Both is good
There's no pain my dude.
Please stop. Please just stop.
So the confusion was caused by a bit of a quirk in the Japanese language. When Luna asked "Luna-tan jishin no koto tte ii no?" she meant it to be interpreted as "is it also a fetish if it's about myself (instead of something about someone else)" but Flare interpreted it "is it okay if I reveal mine". In this context both are valid interpretations of what she said.
So Luna is a masochist.
wtf 🤨📸
well i didnt expect that answer LMFAO
I think Luna mistook fetishes for kinks
Remember: Luna Family watch her streams
I can only imagine the incoming fanart
at least the "baby princess" himemori luna doesn't have abdl desires. but that could change...
...ABDL desires?
i don't see himemori luna wear diapers and it's best if she don't.
To be fair, Matsuri likes that too, Luna. It's why the two of you match up so well. KEK
Edit: And to be fair, it CAN be that kind of stuff... Flare and a lot of girls are just more innocent than Luna. lol...
This was probably Yagoo's worst nightmare right here.
That's... not good.
My fetish is waki
Watame would be proud
Waki pies 🐑
Yes
That... is actually quite kinky, unexpected but a welcome one
Yeah !! that was a hell of a tag on danbooru back in the days haha
Lmaoo
ok, I didn't expect "cystitis" to be the answer
to be fair, when you break the seal, it never stops
Flare avoided the question by stating preferences, not fetishes. Elusive elven wit keeps her from embarrassing herself in light of Luna's pee-pain fetish. I can just imagine how many of her followers show up to her next stream trying to emulate her preference selection.
I did not expect that. LOL
But luna's definition of a fetish is correct, it's just Japan has a strangely broadened the definition of fetish.
Are we sure Fetish accurately translates well to Seiheki?
Seems to be missing a very crucial note of action in relation to the word Fetish.
Based on Luna's definition, Seiheki sounds more like Preference.
[Edit]: Nevermind, I guess it is accurate.
It means both things, depending on the context, though Japanese people will generally use 'fechi' for the more extreme version.
Who gave the baby alcohol?
The confusion in this video makes me really laugh, but what gets me the most is the answer of Luna, I didn't even expected it.
Flare should've picked up Luna's signals when she tried to avoid answering instead of pressuring her. Someone is getting scolded by management~.
You can see Flare's head reel back from such a "WAT" response to the point her model tracking gets lost a second.
I did not expect that
Actually, Luna's fetish was quite creative.
Flare was not ready for that blow 😂
….
Neither was I tbh
Thank you, Luna-hime, for this moment
Luna stalling hard lol