I believe that beginners should be taught... “what those things are. Yet not in their use...” they have so many other basics to learn. Such as not being in such positions and being able to recognize the truth and consequences... not knowing that is a disaster... knowing its time to tap out immediately because you’ve already lost the match. That’s a important learning curve. When I was in training I learned enough to know when I was beaten before I was hurt. I don’t consider myself a expert at anything just a general practitioner... who can recognize how the other guy wants to fight... and usually use something else to counter that strength and field of knowledge. Everyone can beat me if I fight on their terms... so I will humbly accept that fact and choose a different option. If you don’t know what a heel hook is... you could force your superior positioned opponent to either harm you or even worse... loose respect for you because you don’t know when too tap... when what he just taught you was how easily he could leave you hobbled and limping around for about two years with medical bills and physical therapy... if your lucky. That leads to quality involvement and eventually when you have learned the basics and usually are able to prevent being trapped in a heel hook or kimera or sleeper hold... when you have developed control and awareness... then your ready for greater responsibilities and knowledge. When you convince your instructor that you don’t know when you are beaten... it greatly limits the truths that he can share. If your instructor gives you a few minutes of one on one attention... its much better to be beaten multiple times and learn more... than to struggle helplessly and not even realize how horribly you are positioned. Failing faster leads to succeeding sooner. Wanting to know the dangerous things in martial arts is much like only wanting to learn enough chemistry to blow off your fingers.
White belts should only focus on the fundamentals. They need a strong base and also teaching/exposing a white belt leg locks is dangerous for the new guys
In my 10th planet gym, we do leg stuffs even for white belt and I haven't heard of about people getting serious injure due to refuse to tap. I think it's all about how you approach the problem and teach them the mechanics of it; that's how you help preventing people from rolling the wrong way or ripping a submission.
It's about respect for your training partner. If you lock a heel hook in, you go slowly. If they don't tap, you abandon it and move on.The first lesson of BJJ should be to learn to respect your training partner. IMO anyway...
Agree 100%, but I would add this ... if you catch your partner with a heel hook and he doesn't tap, let go, and after the roll talk with him to let him know he should have tapped ... because he needs to learn to respect the heel hook.
Used to watch jocko a lot. He's great. It's hard to keep watching. He seems so perfect all the time. It's hard to relate to how perfect he is. Tim Kennedy is willing to call people assholes... Jocko is so.. marble... he's like a wall of granite... hard to find any part of myself that sticks to him
Start with straight ankle locks, by the time you're a purple belt you'll be familiar with the positions and control needed to attack the legs and transitioning to heel hooks will come easier to you. Learn when you're caught and just tap. No heroes in the gym, everybody has to go to work/home to their families.
White (lower grade) belts should know what lies ahead. But understand it is NOT part of their curriculum. I teach my students that even I am still learning after 27 years. I feel like I'm in my peak of learning right now.
Apart from learning the basics a white belt should be expose to advanced moves and at least how to defend them and survive. It expands the knowledge of techniques and possible dangers
I would definitely choose the heel hook over the shoulder, less tearing lol. I think every technique is dangerous and all should be taught. I am a purple belt under Carlson Gracie Team and white belts have neck cranked, finger pulled, etc on me but teaching them the move gives them more control. However, teach them to be calm above all else. Some people don't listen and have to be reminded physically or verbally especially against women 😂
Congrats on your purple belt, I know that’s a lot of hard work. I’ve had three ruptured quadricep tendon repair surgeries. I would love to take lessons, but I’m afraid that I’d be taken down and blow out a tendon again. A buddy of mine who has studied BJJ for a number of years, thinks I could roll and that BJJ would strengthen my legs in a way I’ve never done before (I powerlifted for 15 years competitively). Sorry for the long winded post, but I’ve wanted to run this by someone of your caliber for a long time now.
My old training but was just in a pretty high profile match against a guy at least 20 years older than him. He got him in a heel hook but he wouldn't tap, and eventually he got out. Then my buddy got him in it again and the guy didn't want to tap again, so my buddy just rips the guys ankle all to pieces. I don't know that I would've done that, but he won the match.
That's true but you also have to consider adrenaline during sparring, and also lack of control that the majority of white belts will naturally have. And some moves are inherently more risky than others which is why some are banned from competition, or restricted to higher belt levels
@@marlonwithers4591 I got ya. I just think after some experience with rolling I don’t think it’s a bad idea to teach white belts leg locks so they know when to tap. With proper training and a lots of drilling/safety, legs locks become less dangerous.
@@eamonshields2754 Yeah, if all clubs and practitioners have an "apply slowly/tap early" mentality it would greatly increase the safety of these moves in training. I've both injured someone else (trying too hard to get the tap) and been injured by ankle locks (trying too hard to not tap!) in training due to lack of fully being aware of the risk at the time
I didn’t tap a Kimura at the beginning of this year am a white belt 😂on a bjj tournament have been a lot of tournament some stupid reasons I didn’t want to tap ego . Got cirgury, it’s really risky you can lose your hand móvility if they touch a nerve , in my case everything went well🙌🏽so if you are watching this video just tap it tuck me 5 mouths after cirgury to do again a pull up again 🙌🏽🔥am traning doing weight in home can t go to train by covid but al be back stronger ⛩🥋ready to train when covid it better here on 🇨🇷. I needed to see this video at the beginning of the year not now that I know the risked because I experienced it😂😂😂😂✌🏽
I found a $49 kid set for Chemistry and 1 for Circuitry Babin. Don't tell the kids ); paid 19.99 for chemistry set walked out with $49.97 Circuitry set.... Saved $30...
You're asking a guy who broke a whitebelts neck for the first time he rolled with them.
Superficial damage
Phattrick
should instructors
knot
teach whitebelts
aka
Yes expose them to advanced tech. as an incentive to learn the basics first
Only issue with that is hard headed people who will hyper focus on those techniques and ignore basics. I think it depends on the person.
*youtubes how to do a heel hook*
I believe that beginners should be taught... “what those things are. Yet not in their use...” they have so many other basics to learn. Such as not being in such positions and being able to recognize the truth and consequences... not knowing that is a disaster... knowing its time to tap out immediately because you’ve already lost the match. That’s a important learning curve.
When I was in training I learned enough to know when I was beaten before I was hurt. I don’t consider myself a expert at anything just a general practitioner... who can recognize how the other guy wants to fight... and usually use something else to counter that strength and field of knowledge. Everyone can beat me if I fight on their terms... so I will humbly accept that fact and choose a different option. If you don’t know what a heel hook is... you could force your superior positioned opponent to either harm you or even worse... loose respect for you because you don’t know when too tap... when what he just taught you was how easily he could leave you hobbled and limping around for about two years with medical bills and physical therapy... if your lucky. That leads to quality involvement and eventually when you have learned the basics and usually are able to prevent being trapped in a heel hook or kimera or sleeper hold... when you have developed control and awareness... then your ready for greater responsibilities and knowledge.
When you convince your instructor that you don’t know when you are beaten... it greatly limits the truths that he can share. If your instructor gives you a few minutes of one on one attention... its much better to be beaten multiple times and learn more... than to struggle helplessly and not even realize how horribly you are positioned. Failing faster leads to succeeding sooner.
Wanting to know the dangerous things in martial arts is much like only wanting to learn enough chemistry to blow off your fingers.
White belts should only focus on the fundamentals. They need a strong base and also teaching/exposing a white belt leg locks is dangerous for the new guys
In my 10th planet gym, we do leg stuffs even for white belt and I haven't heard of about people getting serious injure due to refuse to tap. I think it's all about how you approach the problem and teach them the mechanics of it; that's how you help preventing people from rolling the wrong way or ripping a submission.
It's about respect for your training partner. If you lock a heel hook in, you go slowly. If they don't tap, you abandon it and move on.The first lesson of BJJ should be to learn to respect your training partner. IMO anyway...
Agree 100%, but I would add this ... if you catch your partner with a heel hook and he doesn't tap, let go, and after the roll talk with him to let him know he should have tapped ... because he needs to learn to respect the heel hook.
Agreed.
White belt in Judo: I prefer to train with black belts. But I’m also older (39) and came to learn and be humbled.
Used to watch jocko a lot. He's great. It's hard to keep watching. He seems so perfect all the time. It's hard to relate to how perfect he is. Tim Kennedy is willing to call people assholes... Jocko is so.. marble... he's like a wall of granite... hard to find any part of myself that sticks to him
Agree sometimes I dont watch his stuff because its gonna make me feel guilty about not being ON THE PATH as he would call it 24/7
I feel like I'm listening to a cigar testing
“You’re back from Iraq? What happened? Oh my God did you get wounded?!”
“My CO heel hooked me...”
Start with straight ankle locks, by the time you're a purple belt you'll be familiar with the positions and control needed to attack the legs and transitioning to heel hooks will come easier to you. Learn when you're caught and just tap. No heroes in the gym, everybody has to go to work/home to their families.
White (lower grade) belts should know what lies ahead. But understand it is NOT part of their curriculum. I teach my students that even I am still learning after 27 years. I feel like I'm in my peak of learning right now.
You should invite Ant Middleton
Apart from learning the basics a white belt should be expose to advanced moves and at least how to defend them and survive. It expands the knowledge of techniques and possible dangers
I had another white belt try to heel hook me on my like 4th day rolling. Our instructor thankfully noticed and stop him before anything happened.
The white belts are the most dangerous people walking amongst us 😂
Good question
I would definitely choose the heel hook over the shoulder, less tearing lol. I think every technique is dangerous and all should be taught. I am a purple belt under Carlson Gracie Team and white belts have neck cranked, finger pulled, etc on me but teaching them the move gives them more control. However, teach them to be calm above all else. Some people don't listen and have to be reminded physically or verbally especially against women 😂
Congrats on your purple belt, I know that’s a lot of hard work. I’ve had three ruptured quadricep tendon repair surgeries. I would love to take lessons, but I’m afraid that I’d be taken down and blow out a tendon again. A buddy of mine who has studied BJJ for a number of years, thinks I could roll and that BJJ would strengthen my legs in a way I’ve never done before (I powerlifted for 15 years competitively). Sorry for the long winded post, but I’ve wanted to run this by someone of your caliber for a long time now.
50/50 position - Ryan Hall
Agreed. First moves white belts should learn are berimbolo, gogoplata and the worm guard.
Amen
My old training but was just in a pretty high profile match against a guy at least 20 years older than him. He got him in a heel hook but he wouldn't tap, and eventually he got out. Then my buddy got him in it again and the guy didn't want to tap again, so my buddy just rips the guys ankle all to pieces. I don't know that I would've done that, but he won the match.
A kamira? Did I miss hear that?
Kimira 😂
Kimiura
Idk dude
Dear Jocko. Please post more ju jitsu videos.
From- everyone
Moves are dangerous when you don’t teach them properly
That's true but you also have to consider adrenaline during sparring, and also lack of control that the majority of white belts will naturally have. And some moves are inherently more risky than others which is why some are banned from competition, or restricted to higher belt levels
@@marlonwithers4591 I got ya. I just think after some experience with rolling I don’t think it’s a bad idea to teach white belts leg locks so they know when to tap. With proper training and a lots of drilling/safety, legs locks become less dangerous.
@@eamonshields2754 Yeah, if all clubs and practitioners have an "apply slowly/tap early" mentality it would greatly increase the safety of these moves in training. I've both injured someone else (trying too hard to get the tap) and been injured by ankle locks (trying too hard to not tap!) in training due to lack of fully being aware of the risk at the time
Remember that time you broke Dudley’s neck? Lol
I didn’t tap a Kimura at the beginning of this year am a white belt 😂on a bjj tournament have been a lot of tournament some stupid reasons I didn’t want to tap ego . Got cirgury, it’s really risky you can lose your hand móvility if they touch a nerve , in my case everything went well🙌🏽so if you are watching this video just tap it tuck me 5 mouths after cirgury to do again a pull up again 🙌🏽🔥am traning doing weight in home can t go to train by covid but al be back stronger ⛩🥋ready to train when covid it better here on 🇨🇷. I needed to see this video at the beginning of the year not now that I know the risked because I experienced it😂😂😂😂✌🏽
Our instructor teaches us them but you need to only use them on people who know what to do not the 2 week white belt
Should teachers teach white belts with....
Skinny knees?????
No
@echocharles
I live in Pee Dee SC looking for people to train with
The argument for teaching white belts moves is the same one for letting citizens be armed. Self defense.
I'm no Navy SEAL but, no, they shouldn't.
It's dangerous.
Shame on you, Jocko @6:41 that gable grip attempt.
Or..
I found a $49 kid set for Chemistry and 1 for Circuitry Babin. Don't tell the kids ); paid 19.99 for chemistry set walked out with $49.97 Circuitry set.... Saved $30...
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But then why are we hear? I want to become danger.
because it’s important to learn how to control your danger
@@sharksfan2053 but save instruction time later. More success.
@@izzate7 better to build foundation first, long term
@@sharksfan2053 longer success?
👍👍
I love your podcasts brother, you are a true Alpha just like me :)
Damn I’m a beta, how do I become like you?
@@ronaldinhoisfat I'm posing next to Jocko, David, and Marcus in a platoon photo