Installing dust collection, With One Simple Modification |Plus DON'T USE THIS|
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- Опубліковано 18 лют 2023
- watch out this thing will suck your face off
The dust was to much, and i had to STOP it! So today I installed dust collection! I purchased a Clearvue 1450 Dust Collector (this model is no longer available, but the Clearvue 1700 is the next closest and has better performance.) I thought i would share a handful of tips that I found beneficial during my install. I owe all you guys a huge thank you, your support and views allowed me to purchase this system from the revenue I earned off this channel. So Thank you, and lets continue to grow this channel.
Bill Pentz's cyclone and dust collection research-
billpentz.com/woodworking/cyc...
Dr. Rod Cole's write up on static discharge- store.workshopsupply.com/cata...
where I bought my cyclone and special fittings/parts-
www.clearvuecyclones.com/shop...
TOOLS/Materials I used-
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Time delay relay- www.amazon.com/dp/B08QCY9SCT/...
XFasten Silicone tape- a.co/d/hb14CMf
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Your video came across as a recommendation. Only watching this video, it clearly appears you are a dedicated and true woodworker as opposed to most channels that just do it as ‘content creators’ and don’t really have their heart in it. That being said, I’ve subscribed and will continue watching your channel. Great video and enjoy your upgraded system.
Wow, it’s comments like this that make it all worth it! Woodworking is definitely a passion of mine, I’m still trying to dial in the video side of things. Thanks so much for watching, and your positive feedback.🤘🏻
I didn't watch the whole video. I saw you hanging PVC pipe and stopped to tell you you should ground it.
Kidding. Looks good. Congratulations on the shop improvement. I don't think I'll ever get to that level of wood working, just too many interests to consume my finite funds.
You had me for a second! 😂😂 thanks man, I can relate I have way too many hobbies myself. Thanks for watching, and taking the time to comment. 🤘🏻
Just came across your video. I want to thank you for speaking up about the myth about static discharge causing fires in home shop dust collection systems. Also your comment about not commenting about the lack of grounding as you won't be doing it. I feel 100% the same as you do. PVC is an insulator and therefore you cannot possibly ground something that is already an insulator. My one exception to that is within about 4 feet of my cnc will be a pipe wrapped in foil tape that is then grounded to my shops electrical conduit which is then obviously grounded to the power systems ground, cnc's can be very finicky and any static from any source can cause havoc.
I will be subscribing and following your content in the future, you seem like a true woodworker and not a fake youtuber only doing things for content like most "woodworkers" are these days on here.
First off thanks for watching and taking the time to comment I truly appreciate it! As someone who does high voltage electrical for a living and grounding being something that keeps me alive on the day to day the grounding pvc topic really gravitated to me, and I never understood the hype in the woodworking community. I get the unpleasant feeling at times, and I totally understand the concern with sensitive electronics like cnc’s, but I’ve had so many people telling me my shop is a ticking time bomb if I don’t ground it, and it’s going to explode. It’s just not the case. 😂 blah blah you know the story.
I’m actually about to jump into the cnc game myself finally and I’m sure I’ll be adding some protection for electronics reasons, and it will be something similar to what you stated and only be a short section for that purpose.
I don’t know if I’m a true woodworker, but I am very dedicated and passionate about it and just like learning new skills. Thanks for your support, and time. 👊🏻
I love the ingenuity of using the Unistrut rails i'm installing unistrut on every stud in my shop to use as a effective registration system to put anything anywhere!
Unistrut is so handy. There are hundreds of accessories available for it. You’ll enjoy having it. Thanks for watching and commenting!🤘🏻
Very nicely done! Informative, well edited and clearly spoken. No cutesy filler, no cats or kids requiring supervision. Just the facts. Thank you!
I’m glad you enjoyed! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. 👊🏻
I too am a CNC-less peasant. I very much appreciated that humor. Great video 😁
Hey there’s nothing wrong with that!😂 thanks for watching, and taking the time to comment! 🤘🏻
I too fit that description. Hard to believe there are three of us remaining...
We have to stick together. 😂
Make that 4 of us... 8 always thought it was just being lazy... But after doing some more research, they definitely have their place. I just have the room for one in my little 2 car garage shop. Maybe someday
@ICTbondsman 😂😂 yeah they are an awesome tool to have. It’s on my list for sure.
As I'm starting to convert my garage over to a wood shop, I'm quickly learning how important the dust collection is. Thanks for sharing the links! They'll be super helpful when I get to that point. Great video Rob! 👊🏼
It’s definitely a must, I’ve needed it for awhile, and you bet. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. 🤘🏻
Impressive! Being way more than I would ever need takes nothing away from how amazing this is!
Thank you. It is quite the system. 🤘🏻
"Like a peasant" LOL 🤣 Thanks for sharing how you did this!
Haha I want one so bad, I’m just a cheap ass! You bet man!🤘🏻thanks for watching, and commenting.
Excellent video - I also built an overarm extension for my table saw for auxiliary dust collection and it's like night and day collecting the chips and dust from ripping lumber, especially sheet goods.
Great content and thanks for sharing!
Thank you! I’m gearing up to finally build the over arm dust collection for the table saw. It’s definitely a must if you really want to maximize the collection on that tool.
Thanks for watching, and taking the time to comment. 👊🏻
Excellent job!!! Great video, Great tips!!!
Great vid; keep it up! I love the detail
Thanks man, I spent way to much time on it! 😂
Very well done and professional! Keep on rocking!
Heck ya! Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. 🤘🏻
Great video from start to finish! I'm subscribed 😊
I’m glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for commenting and subscribing, I truly appreciate it. 👊🏻
That was a helpful video. I really liked your motor-raising mechanism idea.
I’m glad you found it helpful! The motor lift took me a little bit to think up, but I wasn’t about to hurt my back again, and I wanted my duct as close to the ceiling as it could be. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. 👊🏻
Congrats
Thank you Samuel. 👍🏻
"...like a peasant" made me laugh out loud.
😂😂👊🏻
A fold down platform with a linkage activated step similar to an rv step would fold up out of the way when not needed.
Great build.
those are some big ass blast gates. great system.
They are! It’s crazy how much bigger 6” fittings, and parts are compared to 4”. Thanks for watching and commenting. 🤘🏻
I just found your channel and Subscribe. Great video, I love the twist you found to help with the dust collection. I have been scouring the internet for information about doing the relay delay you did. Could you link the relay or even better do a video of how you wired it so others could incorporate that technology. I have a clear vue I am about to hook up but it would have been nice even on my old harbor freight dust collector. Thanks
Thanks for watching Michael. The system came together really nice. I went back and added a link for the time delay relay in the video description, I thought I had linked that when I uploaded the video but must have missed it. At about the 8min mark I showed my wiring diagram for how I wired it. If you have any specific questions you can email me and I’d be happy to help out. 👊🏻
First time to your channel, nice job on the install. I'm 61 and totally sympathize with working by yourself and getting your back out of whack. As good help, or any help is hard to find these days I have to engineer projects that can only be done alone, I have no young bucks around my neck of the woods ! Anymore, I have to be really careful about doing things that will screw up my back as I'm out of commission for weeks when I do something similar. Anyhow I'm subscribing and looking forward to watching your builds, nice job my friend ! Cheers and all the best from SE Utah !
Thanks for watching. Yeah I also normally engineer something to lift the heavy objects in my shop, but for whatever reason I decided to risk it with this one. Thanks for subscribing, and taking the time to comment. 👍🏻
Bro/Brew 😂, I did the same exact thing. It was late at night, I had the bracket hung, the motor assembly done, no one was around or awake, and I was getting that SOB hung. I had only a 4’ ladder, and I did it pretty easily. My back was spared. However, I also did the same damn thing. I had to move my install higher up.
I took it down myself, raised the bracket, and rehung it again, by myself. I laughed as I watched you do the same. I wasn’t building your contraption. I just wanted it done.
Anyway, thanks for the information and video. Good job. Great shop. Great work.
😂😂 I paid for that for awhile! Normally I come up with some fancy way of lifting heavy items alone. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. 👊🏻
@@brewbuilds Yeah, backs need to be tended to…kept flexible and strong. I hope you’re 100% now.
Keep up the good work, my friend. I’ll be watching.
@@redgoblin1 for sure, well it’s as good as it was prior…😂 you too! 👊🏻
Lets gooo!!! 🔥
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Great video and especially appreciate the mods you made to the electrical to accommodate the cycle requirements for the blower motor. I know you've linked the time delay relay but there are some other components in the box that I wasn't sure what they do or what they are. I paused the video at 8:30 and studied it closely but still, it was a bit confusing to me. Is that white item on the left of the box for the remote control on/off? and the thing in the middle, is that a terminal block for the 110 AC? Hoping you can clarify about what the other components are and what they do -- I would love to replicate it for my soon-to-be-purchased clearview cyclone. I'd also be happy to buy the plans for the electrical if they exist or you're willing to write something up. Thanks and all the best!!
Hey Carl, thanks for watching, and taking the time to comment, and ask questions. The timed delay mod has been awesome and I’m glad I took the time to do it. So the 8:30 time mark shows the components installed, and the internal wiring complete, but excludes the final wiring that needed to take place after the box was installed to accommodate the external items. At minute marker 8:18ish I show the wiring diagram ( I’m not sure if you missed that) but the item to the left is a 10A circuit breaker I added to protect the control circuit, then the center items are the terminal blocks (phoenix blocks is what we refer to them as in my profession, it’s a brand) then at the far right is the time delay relay. The black item at the bottom is the contractor for the motor. The wireless receiver is the white item plugged into the receptacle external and to the right of the box it has the light on it. The nerd in me really wanted to go more in-depth on how I did all the wiring, but with todays age and how people can be I didn’t want the liability if you know what I mean… if you want to email me at brewbuilds2@gmail.com, I’d more than help you in more detail and explanation of what I did with the wiring, and any other questions with what I did, and can share more pictures. Again thank you for watching and commenting, and please reach out. 👊🏻
I like the ingenuity using the struts and rod to raise it. I wonder if this cyclone is available in Australia? I have a mate who is just moving his shop and his dust extraction needs some serious improvement so he can focus on is creative work not mess.
Thanks dude! Unistrut is a great product, I’m surprised it doesn’t get used more. I’m not sure if they ship overseas or not, I don’t see why the wouldn’t other than maybe cost. They are great to work with, and their product is great. Might be worth reaching out to them. Thanks for watching. 👊🏻
Love the pipe hanger design. I may do something similar on my current dust extraction build. One item I'll be adding out of an abundance of caution even though its been shown to not be necessary is continuous copper tape line along the top of all pipe with copper screws to the interior of the pipe grounded at several locations. I realize it's probably unnecessary to worry much amount static buildup, but I figure it cant hurt. I'll also be building in a delay on the shutoff of the motors to cut down on the frequency of cycling motors off and on again. Seems logical.
Thank you, the pipe hangers worked out great, and the delay circuit is good insurance.
The grounding is whatever you’re comfortable with, I would personally never stop anyone, it’s just annoying having people comment saying my shop is going to explode if I don’t do it.😂
Thanks for watching and commenting. Keep me posted on how your setup turns out. 🤘🏻
@@brewbuilds Agreed that the grounding is really unnecessary. I'm retired and look for projects to keep me busy and interested which is the only reason I'll be adding it. I feel like it could end up being a cool Tron like artistic element with the copper tape on white pipe so its more an esthetic thing that can't really hurt.
Keep up the cool videos and ignore any negative chirps from others. These posts help motivate the rest of us to take on cool projects. Cheers.
Best tip, get rid of filters, bags, and canisters. Have your collector rest on a 55gal drum (with the drum being the cyclone) and then run your exhaust through a wall outside.
If you do it right, dust will not make it outside the drum until it's almost full. Now, a $200 WEN collector can do wonders in a small shop.
So ditch the filter, and you'll be so much happier you did.
I agree with venting outside, but my shop is heated and my winters get cold. I can’t justify losing that heat. I have seen people make there systems able to direct the exhaust outdoors when the outside temps aren’t as harsh, and then filter inside when it doesn’t make sense. 👍🏻
@Brewbuilds ooof how cold does it get there?
It gets into the negatives in the winter and over a hundred at times in the summer.
I vented mine outside. I love it. It made it much quieter and have never noticed any fine dust on my truck that gets parked right outside the vent. So it's a win... Not to mention very little resistance on the airflow
@ICTbondsman yeah, I see no dust at all come out until my 55 gal barrel gets up to around ¾ full.
I found clear bag liners for the drum a few months back. So I was able to cut a thin slot out of the drum side (except for the rib support areas that bulb outwards) and epoxied a piece of 0.03" thick plexiglass over it. Now it makes it so much easier as I can see when the dust/chip level is, and just pull the bag out, dump it, and put the bag back in.
I'm just still shocked at hiw efficient it is for such a small motor (WEN 7.4 amp induction motor). My 2hp unit with a canister and filter was not that much better overall. I've gad surprising luck with a few WEN tools these past 2 years (but a few tools I tried were garbage. Lol. It's a luck factor.)
Im not gonna lie.... I almost started typing out a rude comment when you said you cut those hangers out on your CNC... Glad I waited 😆 I think I made mine with my bandsaw to ensure that none of them were exactly the same 🤔
Haha I was hoping I would get someone! I know the feeling, that’s why I just cut one out and used it as a template on the router table for the others. 🤣
Just the info I needed on the time delay. Could you also install a fan blowing on the motor to help keep it cool and thereby shortening the cycle on how long it has to run? I have a Clearvue system and I’m looking for the best options. Thanks.
Adding a fan definitely wouldn’t hurt anything, but the motor has a built in fan that’s designed to properly cool it. So it might be overkill. The 15min is just a good practice, and is stated by the manufacturer, but I’m sure if you run it shorter durations occasionally it won’t hurt it. I wouldn’t sweat it too much. 👊🏻
Thanks. Great video. How are those clear plastic gates working out? Do they get dust in them so they do not close properly? cheers
Thanks Ross, the blast gates operate just as well as the day I installed them.👍🏻 clear vue makes a really nice product.
Great video Rob, I'm so jealous of that garage, can you come and renovate mine ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thanks buddy! You supply the beer and I’m there! 😂😂
@@brewbuilds I'll throw in some BBQ too 🤣
I've never heard of a 5hp motor that couldn't be cycled on or off more than four times per hour... especially a US made Baldor motor. Learn something new everyday.
Hey sorry I’m just now seeing your comment. Yeah there are actually tables and formulas for maximum starts per hour for motors. I don’t know if the typical user in this application would truly ever see the long term effects if they exceeded it. They recommended it in their install instructions, and I like to over complicate things so I had some fun making my modifications.😂 thanks for watching. 👊🏻
The dust system is definitely going to help save you from major lung issues going forward, you was right to go with a system that's capable of doing the job properly 👍, by the way have you seen the video that "Brent's Woodworking and More" uploaded on his channel?. He has the same system as you but if you haven't seen it then you really should take a look, because of his video I ended up going with the laguna all in one type system. Glad I came across your channel I've just subbed too and look forward to seeing what you will be doing in the future!!! As always buddy 💯% 👍 🇬🇧.
I’ve seen a handful of his videos, but I’m not sure I’ve seen that one. It’s taken me 4 years to get my shop ready for a dust collection system, and I’ve been eyeballing this one since before I had a shop. 😂 thank you for watching, subbing, and taking the time to comment. I truly appreciate it. 👍🏻
@@brewbuilds his turned into a bit of a nightmare for him 😳 😢
Glad I found this. Much I knew but the TAPE!!!! Wondering ... link is for 1-1/2" silicone tape, would the 1" also work?
Thanks for watching! Yeah the 1” should work, but keep in mind when you stretch it the overall width reduces so you may need to do additional wraps around the joint to get good coverage. I found the 1-1/2” to be the happy medium for using less product on each joint. Hope that makes sense. 👊🏻
It does. Thanks much!
@@cottagemail4066 awesome glad I could help. 👊🏻
Nice video. FWIW, I find that below about 2 1/2" you're far better off hooking the dust collection up to a shop vac. So the miter saw might be better off that way.
I also built a 4" overarm dust collection arm for my table saw, and was pretty disappointed with the results. Might have been better with a flexible "saw stache", like you see around CNC cutter heads.
I also upgraded from my grizzly to the SawStop, and their built in blade guard seems to best of a bad situation, with it attached to a dedicated shop vac.
In both cases you're attempting to collect dust from a blade moving at 150 MPH with a dust collection system that moves air at 40 MPH, you can't win. Open ended cuts are usually the worst.
You’re 100% correct. I briefly talked about those topics in the video, and I’ll be making a 4” over arm dust hood for my table saw, along with making something better for my miter saw, and belt sander. thanks for watching and commenting. 🤘🏻
@@brewbuilds FWIW, I ended up using a simple 90 deg HVAC boot attached to the back of my sander. I then extended the sides of the boot with 1/4" plywood so that they overhang the sander. The sides are removable, and only attached by magnets, otherwise they can get in the way if you want to use the ends for curved cuts.
The "dust port" on the rigid sander is pretty worthless, even with a shop vac.
That’s a great idea thanks for sharing! Yeah I agree the dust collection on the Ridgid sander is worthless. 😂
do you mind sharing how much you spent on pipe and fittings? i am really struggling to find 6" SDR locally to me, so if i have to order off the internet i was just trying to get a baseline for how badly some of these prices are gouging me. the pipe i can find for acceptable-ish prices, but the fittings seem insane. ( I realize i commented before i finished the entire video, so here i am editing, asking for a more specific break down :) please and thank you, great video, subscribed)
Thanks for watching. I don’t have all the paper work in front of me, but the pipe was $40 per stick, the wyes were roughly $50 each, and the 45’s were about $30 each. Definitely stay away from Lowe’s or homedepot, I found the best prices were through a local irrigation supply house in my area, and since it’s their off season in my area they gave me some good pricing for giving them some business. Let me know if you have any more questions.🤘🏻
I found this video from your Instagram response the other day. Awesome info for those of us hanging 6” pipe for the first time. I have to ask though, do you think the 3/4” screw heads add turbulence to the system? Seems like they’re not worth their function, unless I’m overthinking it
Also I just have my pvc hanging from metal strapping (with rubber tape sandwiched between) since my ceiling joists are only 8ft high.. do I need any downward pressure on the pipe at the hangers or do you think gravity alone is enough? I’m worried the pvc isn’t “locked in place” enough
Hey Chris, thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. As far as the 3/4” screws you’re talking about are you referring to the ones I used to secure the joints together? If so I’m sure if you had sensitive enough measuring instruments, and a very controlled environment you could maybe see the slight amount of turbulence that they may add. But when I calculated all my cfm and air speeds I was right on par with Bill Pentz’s recommendations in his write up on the matter. They also helped me insure the joints stayed in place while I was assembling the system sometimes the joints will slip or pull apart and they really help prevent that. Let me know if that’s what you were referring to.👍🏻
As far as your pipe hanging method, that seems to be a pretty common method and I’ve really never heard of any issues. All of my horizontal run that travel inward to my shop are suspended by a similar product my just happens to be plastic strapping material. I made those wall hangers for the first section of the pipe the runs right up against the wall, and for all the vertical drops. I will say I like how that added some rigidity to the system. But isn’t a must. 👍🏻
@@brewbuilds yep those were the screws I was referring to. Yea I may be overthinking it- they probably help a lot more than they hurt. I’ve been having issues with my fittings pulling out during the dry fitting stage, I think I’m gonna use the screws like you did. Thanks for the response! And I’ve got some real pipe hangers coming to replace the metal strapping just so I feel better about it.
@christopherkohl4930 yeah they work great and really, they barely stick threw. I only used 2 per connection. If you have any questions throughout your install feel free to email me, or shoot me a dm on Instagram I’d be more than happy to help.👍🏻
Better ground that!!! J/K i don't give a shit... 😂😂😂 Nice video, thanks!
I will not ground it! 😂 thanks for watching, and taking the time to comment. 🤘🏻👊🏻
@@brewbuilds Rock on brother! Subbed
@@UA-camStat heck ya bro, welcome. 👍🏻
Let us know if static becomes an issue with no grounding.
Static hasn’t been an issue, and I didn’t have an issue with it in my previous shop setup either. The cyclone does build a charge (as expected), but isn’t an issue. 👍🏻
the way you pronounce “caulk” makes me uncomfortable.
Super helpful video 😂 thanks for the detail!
😂😂 I’ve been corrected many times on the internet. I’ve never heard anyone in my area pronounce it cock. 😂
I’m glad you found it helpful! Thanks for watching and commenting. 👊🏻
Dude that thing sucks!!!!
It really does! 😂