@@Sk3tchyD I suspect someone will be making your wishes come true on this thing. When i released the first intake there was a ton of requests for ITBs.
I just love the sound of ITBs. It's one of those things that's just cool. More power or not. Very cool your setup was made with that possibility in mind.
This has to be my favorite YT car channel. No BS. Just a really smart dude excited to share some secrets about mass market Toyota engines. My dream collabo would be with you and The Car Nut. Thanks as always for sharing.
Something to keep in mind is that Marc is a one-man show with the design, fabrication, R&D, etc; and now he's actually doing in-house CNC work. He's got more ideas than time....
i haven't tested it but i'm 90% sure the stock rav4 actually makes way above rated horsepower because it has a much cleaner exhaust and that's what holds the other 2GRs back.
i have a 2010 es350, and it's amazing to see examples of what could be done to the 2gr-fe quite easily to get an idea of what i want to do in the near future. thanks very much for the great content
This is insane, I’ve been stuffing a 2GR into the front of a Subaru BRZ and was struggling with intake manifold design and bonnet clearance for twin turbos. This has changed the game for me. I’ll be purchasing some time in the future when I’ve got everything correctly situated in the bay.
Dude hear me out…. You start building parts for the 2GR-FE 4.0L in the 2006-2015 Tacoma and the people will come, including me. That motor is untouched and I know it has a lot of potential. Tacoma guys won’t want to do any internal part changes(don’t want to jeopardise reliability) but a bolt-on intake manifold definitely ticks the box, but it has to be focused on torque. Most Tacoma owners don’t rev past 3K rpms. We need all our power down low for hauling, towing, etc…
I love the insane amount r&d. And then to actually design and manufacture all the parts to make it work and have serious efficiency and gains like this! The passion really shows, keep up the good work, man. 👍
Hi Friend, Your vids are awesome! This is Alloyworks! We specialize in the production of automotive radiators, heat exchangers, and cooling system components. We're wondering if we could collaborate. Would you like to put our products to the test and review them on your channel?
This is awesome! I'm not sure how UA-cam managed to recommend your channel to me but I'm glad it did. I had to go through a similar R&D with my NSX and it is delightful to see your progress.
UA-cam works in mysterious ways, i certainly have no idea how it recommends videos but it does tend to be pretty good at it. While you're here you may want to check out when i made 405whp NA with this same engine. without the stock ECU limitation this thing makes easy power.
i have a 2006 IS350, I really would like 300/320 Wheel I have seen some of your videos but they do change a bit specially in design. My question is, what’s the shortest/surest way I can do that? What do I need for sure as of what’s known atm?
Your work is awesome. I even like how you display your graphs correctly. Ive always said 2grs are just a new intake manifold away from being competitively power efficient, and youve done the r&d to make this hero engine into what it should be. So this engine right here had stock headers and cats? And did it have 10.8 or 11.8 compression ratio? Running on what fuel?
I spoke with a friend that spents 3 months on and off in japan, I think I will swap my engine for a Celica 91 is not GTR4 so NA, this will be a good match.
I honestly would have run cats too if I didn't have to cut up the exhaust. I hate the raspy g35 sound from the berks. I just wanna hear intake noise 😮💨
Why do these sound so good compared to vq35? I know the vq first generation had unequal length headers and they fixed that in the 2nd generation to get more power but they still sound bad. This sounds more like a flat 6 high rpm porsche than a normal v6 i never knew a v6 could sound like that
As cool as this is in an mr2 it would also be a sweet combo in a non-supercharged evora. I can imagine hybridizing this recipe with a slight cr drop on forged pistons/rods (very slight, perhaps 10.5 or 10.6:1) coupled to just 5-6psi with a small ic. Excellent work man thanks for sharing.
Yes, this would work very well in an evora. The stock pistons will put up to way more than 5-6psi of boost, there's no need to change them out until you're north of 600whp.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks ooh I did not realize this thanks for the tip! I have a 2gr and early rx300 rear lsd waiting to put into my 2005 highlander when the 3mz goes (toyota conveniently stuck the 2gr in with the same 5spd auto trans/tcase for the earliest rx350s in '08) and I was considering different options to get it to 320-350whp for a spacious little sleeper. Leaving the block untouched would be a real boon on the wallet.
Okay, quick Q: Any chance you can delve a bit into the TQ dip/HP Flatline between 5252 and 6k? Cam profiile issue? VVT/Tuning issue? Intake characteristic?
that's just a normal torque roll off but then the intake starts resonating and doing it's thing and the torque picks up. Though it's possible some of this may be able to be tuned out. As mentioned my tuning was cut short a little bit due to the spun bearing issue.
Ok. The engine is reving up to 7.5k. Will i be able to change shift points in 2008 avalon gearbox? Now it is 6.5k. How does it work? How will transmision know to rev higher? I'm almoust done with interior and other cosmeics it is time for engine.
Watched a few of your vids and wanted to find out what version 2GR you're using. Is that the 2GR Fe? Also looking that you've tried a few things and gained more knowledge on the motor, what would be your ideal main top 4 upgrades in your view? That i can start with.
All of my work on the 2GR is on the 2GR-FE. There is one video where i look at the 2GR-FKS's internals but i do no performance tests on it. You don't say which car yours is in but assuming it's a stock 2GR-FE application the top 4 upgrades you can do in order of priority are 1) y-pipe, 2) y-pipe, 3) y-pipe and 4) y-pipe. Seriously, the y pipe on the stock applications is absolutely awful and there is nothing else worth doing to it until you fix that. You'll of course want to replace the exhaust behind it after replacing the y-pipe to keep the flow going. In my experience there is 40-50whp hiding in that y-pipe
You 100% can legally do it in California. A 2AR has been done and CARB'd already and the 2GR could be done with the Lotus bits the same way. It'll cost more and you'll get a bit less power in both cases but it's still a great swap.
I can't wait to swap my RAV4. The 2gr is kind of a pain to source compared to other engines. Everyone wants to sell them bare, no harness, no accessories. I'd pay more to get it all from the same car but chopping the harness and removing all the accessories is somehow easier I guess.
The engine bay on an EK is TINY. Realistically you'd be better off taking a page from renault's turbo 5 setup and mounting that drivetrain in the back of the EK and ending up with a ridiculous car at the end.
I'm 100% sure it could be done, someone would just have to do the R&D required and the big thing there is to make sure to make all the components work together. It's very common to try to upgrade just one part and then be disappointed in the results.
So niiiiice and a beautful exhaust note! I assume that it wouldn't be possible to integrate/weld/connect the, i think, normally bolted "side panels" over the strut towers into the hood for easier access to the engine bay, right? It is somehow sad that Toyota had only one engine with the VVTi-L system, the 1.8l 2ZZ. If that could be somehow adapted to for example to your 2AR or even the 2GR that would be cool but if at all, definetly costly.
The side panels are trivial to remove when you need space to work, they take two bolts each and just slide out of the way. they can't be part of the engine lid panel because they would interfere with the c pillars that surround the engine bay. As for VVTi-L system i thought about that for a while but what i came to the conclusion on that while it would be nice it's really not limiting the power output on the motor. Flip the way you're thinking of it from a switchable high lift cam to a switchable nicely idling cam because at the end of the day that's all it is, it's a small cam that makes it possible to idle down low where a production car needs to idle. If we remove the restriction of being able to idle at 650rpm we can just bump that up to 900rpm or so and suddenly we can smoothly idle pretty much as big of a cam as you want. The VVT-I system really helps with making large cams idle too.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Ok, mistake on my side for not writing what i had in mind. My thought was, using the 2ZZ principle, to combine the benefits of a standard? 235 cam profile in the low/mid revs (including smooth idling) with the benefits of a high degree 263+ /lift cam profile for the high revs. As far as i can tell, the 2ZZ used 228 and 292 degrees. I mean, yeah, those 292 degrees are definetly too much for smooth idling. ) I hope that makes somehow sense to you. Sorry, i am not a native english speaker (german here).
The 2AR-FE does not have EGR so i'm a bit confused but there's a discord link in the video description, you can go there to talk to people live about it.
Can a 2gr fse make the same power? I want to make my IS350 a sleeper. Currently only have long tube headers, & a hks hi power single exit exhaust. Theres just not alot of support for the fse compared to fe. So I wonder if I can use parts you sell for the fe on the fse
@FrankensteinMotorworks Ahhh.. That's unfortunate. I'm planning to do a single turbo build here soon for it. Sucks trying to be unique & Different with huge obstacles in the way. Almost makes me want to give up the project before proceeding. I'm doing nitrous first, but I asked because your velocity stack hi ram caught my attention. Due to the fact I don't want to get nitrous backfire incase the plastic plenum decided to grenade. Well I'm just going to see where things lead, it'll either be really fun or a huge waste of money & time. Guess I'll have to find out myself. Wish the fse had this much information & aftermarket support like the FE
@@FrankensteinMotorworks maybe in the future, you can help out some of Lexus guys with the fse. Theres alot of people wanting to push the platform, but are just lost not knowing where to start
@@kameronwatkins4933 Electric turbos are certainly possible, just look at the F1 MGU-H units but a lot of the units on the market being sold to the public just aren't worth a damn. A quick look at that torqueamp page sets off my BS alarm pretty hard, the biggest issue i see right away is the claim for a 5Kw motor and a 8Ah battery those two numbers are just not compatible, that's way too high of a discharge rate on that battery.
I'm thinking about doing something unique with a 2GR in a different chassis. I would appreciate your input and hopefully we could work together on it. What's the best way to contact you? I'd like to keep this project idea private.
The 2GR's stock ECU will not run open ITBs. you *may* be able to run ITBs in a shared plenum with a MAF sensor but that would take some work to get everything worked out.
Soo many people looking for more tunability, more products for the 2GR! That is some serious gains sir 😁 Planning anything for the fse? Is the intake manifold similar? Own a 2IS.
The idea would likely work but the FSE has different intake ports so the part won't directly bolt up and same thing with the camshafts, they are slightly different so they won't bolt up.
Yes, it's the exact same engine and will respond the same way. The big issue you'll run into is that nobody makes a bolt-on exhaust for your car with these headers so there would be some DIY exhaust work involved and the exhaust is the biggest restriction in the whole system.
The E153 is the only one that tends to lose more power, it tends to dyno 15-20whp lower than the narrow E series, S series and EB transmissions. I would expect that all wide E series transmissions would also have those losses but i've never tested any other than the E153.
It depends on the cams installed, for example the 405whp build could use a few more degrees but the stock cams and this build do not use the whole range that stock offers.
@@tommylyeah yes and no, since i was using the 2GR-FXE pistons the cutouts were small so i had to back off the sprockets by 1 tooth which effectively killed a bunch of the range just to get back to zero. Some custom machining to avoid moving an entire tooth would have been nice, i think i need about another 10 degrees on that one and moving one tooth is 20 degrees. So even in that case it would require additional range, just some offset changes.
Unfortunately the 2GR-FSE engine has very different dimensions than the 2GR-FE, the motors are similar in many ways but very few parts can be interchanged between the motors.
The intake will work on the stock ECU but if you change the cams you will need to get the tune updated to work with them. I only have manual transmission tunes but other people out there do support the ECUs in the stock application.
That engine sounds awesome! Can you show the exhaust in another video? You're making me regret me buying my Mitsu and not getting a Toyota. I love your approach to mods.
I don't even own a 2GR and this shit is fascinating to watch
I don't even own an MR2, but these videos have me doing a 2GR swap.
I have a 2grfe in my daily driver camry and own a 6.0 Turbo 740il, and I love this channel. That motor is Toyota's masterpiece.
Same! Love this stuff!
Hell, I've never owned anything Toyota in my life yet I'm subscribed.
If I didn't already have a stroked 2.2 3sgte, I would install a 2grfe.
I love your R&D. This is what the MR2, 2GR and 2AR communities need. Thousands of those engines out there for cheap with so much potential.
ITB 2GR revving to 9k when?! This is all looking fantastic. Great work!
I am unlikely to do ITBs on my own build, a shared plenum with a large throttle body tends to actually make better power.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks You may be right, but I don't have to like it. ITB the world!
@@Sk3tchyD I suspect someone will be making your wishes come true on this thing. When i released the first intake there was a ton of requests for ITBs.
I just love the sound of ITBs. It's one of those things that's just cool. More power or not. Very cool your setup was made with that possibility in mind.
Can you tweak the bottom flange and ports to suit the 2grfse please
This has to be my favorite YT car channel. No BS. Just a really smart dude excited to share some secrets about mass market Toyota engines. My dream collabo would be with you and The Car Nut. Thanks as always for sharing.
I think I need to unsub..... Your video's keep pushing me closer and closer to spending money I don't really have to spend!!!
*lol* sorry not sorry. i now make a living making cool shit and selling it on the internet :)
You are awesome Marc! 🙌🏼
Something to keep in mind is that Marc is a one-man show with the design, fabrication, R&D, etc; and now he's actually doing in-house CNC work. He's got more ideas than time....
That thing is art. Beautiful
Yeah i'm really damn stoked with how nice it came out.
Ya I’m gonna need to 2gr swap my ae100 wagon asap, this dude is inspirational
that would be an absolute shit ton of power in an AE100 :) you should do it :)
@@FrankensteinMotorworks let me give you more of a crazier smile, I also want to make it awd but use the GT4 celica transmission, the ST205 gearbox
I would love if you posted some pictures of that thing! I have an ae101 and that sounds like a dream build to me!
You and Wilhelm keep killing it when it comes to 2GR R&D. I need to just create a joint checking account with both of you
Alex and I do talk a lot to discuss these parts and where the platform is going. It's been a lot of fun.
Amazing, what a great time I picked to be getting back into the MR2 scene!
Yeah it's a great time for Japanese power :)
I wish that engine fitted easily in a BRZ, i'd rather have that than the usual K swap or LS swap we see in these!
I’d honestly love to build a sleeper out of a V6 RAV4… they’re already ridiculously quick stock, but building it to make even more power would be wild
i haven't tested it but i'm 90% sure the stock rav4 actually makes way above rated horsepower because it has a much cleaner exhaust and that's what holds the other 2GRs back.
i have a 2010 es350, and it's amazing to see examples of what could be done to the 2gr-fe quite easily to get an idea of what i want to do in the near future.
thanks very much for the great content
I thought he was just being a proud parent about the exhaust sound but no, it's aggressive yet refined.
You make the best stuff, thanks for pushing the platform and these engines as far as you have
Thank you for watching, i promise there's a lot more neat stuff coming down the line too.
This is insane, I’ve been stuffing a 2GR into the front of a Subaru BRZ and was struggling with intake manifold design and bonnet clearance for twin turbos.
This has changed the game for me.
I’ll be purchasing some time in the future when I’ve got everything correctly situated in the bay.
That's awesome, I'm happy to be able to help and please send me pictures of the finished build, i'd love to see it.
I too would like to order one but I've got a 2grfse being shoehorned into an ae86😢 the ports are a different shape
Instagram?
Dude hear me out….
You start building parts for the 2GR-FE 4.0L in the 2006-2015 Tacoma and the people will come, including me. That motor is untouched and I know it has a lot of potential.
Tacoma guys won’t want to do any internal part changes(don’t want to jeopardise reliability) but a bolt-on intake manifold definitely ticks the box, but it has to be focused on torque. Most Tacoma owners don’t rev past 3K rpms.
We need all our power down low for hauling, towing, etc…
N/A is the way!
Super exciting stuff Marc - nice work and thank you!
you picked the right car to become expert. thank god.
I love the insane amount r&d. And then to actually design and manufacture all the parts to make it work and have serious efficiency and gains like this! The passion really shows, keep up the good work, man. 👍
Making NA gains like this is so damn exciting, i really want to do more for sure.
Hi Friend, Your vids are awesome! This is Alloyworks! We specialize in the production of automotive radiators, heat exchangers, and cooling system components. We're wondering if we could collaborate. Would you like to put our products to the test and review them on your channel?
This is awesome! I'm not sure how UA-cam managed to recommend your channel to me but I'm glad it did. I had to go through a similar R&D with my NSX and it is delightful to see your progress.
UA-cam works in mysterious ways, i certainly have no idea how it recommends videos but it does tend to be pretty good at it. While you're here you may want to check out when i made 405whp NA with this same engine. without the stock ECU limitation this thing makes easy power.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks What ECU did you go with to avoid limitations? FuelTech?
@@SI0AX The build in this video uses the stock Toyota ECU, the 405whp build uses the Haltech Elite 2500 ECU.
i have a 2006 IS350, I really would like 300/320 Wheel
I have seen some of your videos but they do change a bit specially in design. My question is, what’s the shortest/surest way I can do that? What do I need for sure as of what’s known atm?
Great stuff/information you have! Also beautiful IM! Wish you made some for us Lexus is350 guys!!
My highlander has 295hp stock..so yes. Tuning and great fuel will get you 20 to 30 hp😊mine has port and direct injection 😊
Your work is awesome. I even like how you display your graphs correctly. Ive always said 2grs are just a new intake manifold away from being competitively power efficient, and youve done the r&d to make this hero engine into what it should be. So this engine right here had stock headers and cats? And did it have 10.8 or 11.8 compression ratio? Running on what fuel?
this intake manifold design is the same as a j32a2 v6 j series honda motor and yours looks like a holley
I spoke with a friend that spents 3 months on and off in japan, I think I will swap my engine for a Celica 91 is not GTR4 so NA, this will be a good match.
Wow... The ultimate vehicle *IS* the sw20 with a 2gr.... change my mind.,
Me thinking i should make my Sienna a baja beast.
Its already lifted 3 inches with 30 inch tires with AWD. 😂
I honestly would have run cats too if I didn't have to cut up the exhaust. I hate the raspy g35 sound from the berks. I just wanna hear intake noise 😮💨
For the thousands and thousands it cost to get 300,350hp you could k swap turbo for that and have way more fun and double hp...
Is there any way any of this could be transplanted into a longitudinal 2gr sister engine? This would make a killer swap into a brz/frs chassis.
Why do these sound so good compared to vq35? I know the vq first generation had unequal length headers and they fixed that in the 2nd generation to get more power but they still sound bad. This sounds more like a flat 6 high rpm porsche than a normal v6 i never knew a v6 could sound like that
I always get reminded of Russell Crowe anytime I see him.
Tune my camry 140 hrspwr make it 200 Hp forget the engine swap
The real question is how long would the u151 auto in the sienna last at this HP. Asking for a friend.
As cool as this is in an mr2 it would also be a sweet combo in a non-supercharged evora. I can imagine hybridizing this recipe with a slight cr drop on forged pistons/rods (very slight, perhaps 10.5 or 10.6:1) coupled to just 5-6psi with a small ic. Excellent work man thanks for sharing.
Yes, this would work very well in an evora. The stock pistons will put up to way more than 5-6psi of boost, there's no need to change them out until you're north of 600whp.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks ooh I did not realize this thanks for the tip! I have a 2gr and early rx300 rear lsd waiting to put into my 2005 highlander when the 3mz goes (toyota conveniently stuck the 2gr in with the same 5spd auto trans/tcase for the earliest rx350s in '08) and I was considering different options to get it to 320-350whp for a spacious little sleeper. Leaving the block untouched would be a real boon on the wallet.
I might need to sell the Miata just to get an mr2. I just want to support your work bc very few do the R&D that you do.
Honestly i enjoy the R&D part more than the fast car part so i'm just thankful there's a community around this that can support it.
Could the lower manifold work on a 2gr fse is350.
awesome work, keep up the good job
Ah, today just became a good day
Amazing intake. Sorry if this has been asked before, but does this happen to fit the 2GR-FSE as well?
Unfortunately it does not. the 2GR-FSE has completely differently shaped ports.
Okay, quick Q: Any chance you can delve a bit into the TQ dip/HP Flatline between 5252 and 6k? Cam profiile issue? VVT/Tuning issue? Intake characteristic?
that's just a normal torque roll off but then the intake starts resonating and doing it's thing and the torque picks up. Though it's possible some of this may be able to be tuned out. As mentioned my tuning was cut short a little bit due to the spun bearing issue.
Cant wait for you to 2UR-GSE swap the MR2 after this :v !
That would be a tight fit to work into that engine bay. what i really want to get my hands on is a T24-FTS so i can play with it.
The 2urgse is a giant engine. It will never fit in a MR2. I have a RCF
@@DrWonderEyes yes I know I was just joking lol and I have an ISF lol
I really love what you did for the fe engine… looking forward to see what you will do for the fse engines as well 🥰🥰🥰
Ok. The engine is reving up to 7.5k. Will i be able to change shift points in 2008 avalon gearbox? Now it is 6.5k. How does it work? How will transmision know to rev higher? I'm almoust done with interior and other cosmeics it is time for engine.
you would have to reprogram the shift schedule in the ECU to use the higher revs
Just wondering, would an engine like this work qith a tacoma i need more power qithout boost do we loae the torque or do we have more of it
Watched a few of your vids and wanted to find out what version 2GR you're using. Is that the 2GR Fe? Also looking that you've tried a few things and gained more knowledge on the motor, what would be your ideal main top 4 upgrades in your view? That i can start with.
All of my work on the 2GR is on the 2GR-FE. There is one video where i look at the 2GR-FKS's internals but i do no performance tests on it.
You don't say which car yours is in but assuming it's a stock 2GR-FE application the top 4 upgrades you can do in order of priority are 1) y-pipe, 2) y-pipe, 3) y-pipe and 4) y-pipe. Seriously, the y pipe on the stock applications is absolutely awful and there is nothing else worth doing to it until you fix that. You'll of course want to replace the exhaust behind it after replacing the y-pipe to keep the flow going. In my experience there is 40-50whp hiding in that y-pipe
When will we see forged pistons and rods for the 2AR FE for sale?
I always get reminded of Russell Crowe anytime I see him.
Sounds very nice. I too run cats. Much better for so many reasons. Thanks for the update and info.
Quieter and Not Smelly is GOOD! Loud and Smelly = TICKETS 😢
Yeah, i live in Indianapolis and people here are a lot more tolerant of stuff like that but there's no reason to be rude about it.
If only i could legally swap a 2GR/2AR into a MR2 in Commiefornia!
You 100% can legally do it in California. A 2AR has been done and CARB'd already and the 2GR could be done with the Lotus bits the same way. It'll cost more and you'll get a bit less power in both cases but it's still a great swap.
This is awesome. I was wondering about that old video about the 2AR-FE cam sprocket noise and what was the final verdict on a fix? Great videos man.
I saw FSE version with no cam making this power
You do some amazing work. Youv earned my sub for sure
I can't wait to swap my RAV4. The 2gr is kind of a pain to source compared to other engines. Everyone wants to sell them bare, no harness, no accessories. I'd pay more to get it all from the same car but chopping the harness and removing all the accessories is somehow easier I guess.
If you find a local junkyard via car-part.com you can often get a way better deal than buying one on e-bay and the like.
Amazing work man, always fascinated!
Amazing work and dedication, wish you were developing stuff for my SVX flat six!
Check out Smeedia if you haven't. Though a high power NA EG33 would be a bit of a different animal.
jump to a 4AGZE.. thank me later :)
This is making me think about swapping a 2gr into my ek. I don't know how feasible it is but who cares.😂
The engine bay on an EK is TINY. Realistically you'd be better off taking a page from renault's turbo 5 setup and mounting that drivetrain in the back of the EK and ending up with a ridiculous car at the end.
That CNC stuff looks amazing . Credit to you and creativity . Subscribed.
Thanks for subscribing, it really does help the algorithm do it's thing.
i would wonder what it would make if everything was the same but running the stock cams. asking for those who are afraid of opening the engine up.
I will have those results soon but early results are showing about a 20whp gain so not as exciting but still something measurable.
I have two 2GRs... One in a Lexus and one in a Camry. Fascinating what can be done.
It's impressive the number of plain normal cars that Toyota shoved this motor into.
Would it be possible to do a 400hp 2GR-FKS in a Tacoma?
I'm 100% sure it could be done, someone would just have to do the R&D required and the big thing there is to make sure to make all the components work together. It's very common to try to upgrade just one part and then be disappointed in the results.
So niiiiice and a beautful exhaust note!
I assume that it wouldn't be possible to integrate/weld/connect the, i think, normally bolted "side panels" over the strut towers into the hood for easier access to the engine bay, right?
It is somehow sad that Toyota had only one engine with the VVTi-L system, the 1.8l 2ZZ. If that could be somehow adapted to for example to your 2AR or even the 2GR that would be cool but if at all, definetly costly.
The side panels are trivial to remove when you need space to work, they take two bolts each and just slide out of the way. they can't be part of the engine lid panel because they would interfere with the c pillars that surround the engine bay.
As for VVTi-L system i thought about that for a while but what i came to the conclusion on that while it would be nice it's really not limiting the power output on the motor. Flip the way you're thinking of it from a switchable high lift cam to a switchable nicely idling cam because at the end of the day that's all it is, it's a small cam that makes it possible to idle down low where a production car needs to idle. If we remove the restriction of being able to idle at 650rpm we can just bump that up to 900rpm or so and suddenly we can smoothly idle pretty much as big of a cam as you want. The VVT-I system really helps with making large cams idle too.
@@FrankensteinMotorworks Ok, mistake on my side for not writing what i had in mind. My thought was, using the 2ZZ principle, to combine the benefits of a standard? 235 cam profile in the low/mid revs (including smooth idling) with the benefits of a high degree 263+ /lift cam profile for the high revs.
As far as i can tell, the 2ZZ used 228 and 292 degrees. I mean, yeah, those 292 degrees are definetly too much for smooth idling. )
I hope that makes somehow sense to you. Sorry, i am not a native english speaker (german here).
me seeing this and going "hmmm,what if i spent a lot of money an time to do this typa shii on my 1.0 liter 3 cylinder with 80hp"
it can certainly be a lot of fun to do, you should give it a go!
Awesome to see the progress! This has made me want to 2GR swap my celica
Any advice on 2AR EGR? Or point me to a forum please?
The 2AR-FE does not have EGR so i'm a bit confused but there's a discord link in the video description, you can go there to talk to people live about it.
Great update! Those parts look awesome!
Can a 2gr fse make the same power? I want to make my IS350 a sleeper. Currently only have long tube headers, & a hks hi power single exit exhaust. Theres just not alot of support for the fse compared to fe. So I wonder if I can use parts you sell for the fe on the fse
Unfortunately the FSE has enough differences that the parts would not bolt up as-is. the ideas would work but the parts would need to be redesigned.
@FrankensteinMotorworks Ahhh.. That's unfortunate. I'm planning to do a single turbo build here soon for it. Sucks trying to be unique & Different with huge obstacles in the way. Almost makes me want to give up the project before proceeding. I'm doing nitrous first, but I asked because your velocity stack hi ram caught my attention. Due to the fact I don't want to get nitrous backfire incase the plastic plenum decided to grenade. Well I'm just going to see where things lead, it'll either be really fun or a huge waste of money & time. Guess I'll have to find out myself. Wish the fse had this much information & aftermarket support like the FE
@@FrankensteinMotorworks maybe in the future, you can help out some of Lexus guys with the fse. Theres alot of people wanting to push the platform, but are just lost not knowing where to start
I love your work. Take my IS350 and do whatever you want lol
Will we ever see Frankenstein cams or are the kelfords just too good?
The Kelford cams are good enough and a great value but i am working on other options for the future.
A Canadian sounding Hoosier?
Would this fit the FSE??
Marc, this is why we love you.
I love that there's enough of a community around this to support me making these parts. Designing this stuff is a lot of fun.
@@FrankensteinMotorworksI would love to see what you could put together if you if you started messing with electric turbochargers like the torque amp
@@kameronwatkins4933 Electric turbos are certainly possible, just look at the F1 MGU-H units but a lot of the units on the market being sold to the public just aren't worth a damn. A quick look at that torqueamp page sets off my BS alarm pretty hard, the biggest issue i see right away is the claim for a 5Kw motor and a 8Ah battery those two numbers are just not compatible, that's way too high of a discharge rate on that battery.
I'm thinking about doing something unique with a 2GR in a different chassis. I would appreciate your input and hopefully we could work together on it. What's the best way to contact you? I'd like to keep this project idea private.
There's a contact form right on my website
@@FrankensteinMotorworks ok perfect. Thank you
Love the idea of itbs but that would require a stand-alone ecu to run without the plenum?
The 2GR's stock ECU will not run open ITBs. you *may* be able to run ITBs in a shared plenum with a MAF sensor but that would take some work to get everything worked out.
Can this be done on a tacoma 3rd gen
This is always great stuff.. i have to figure which modern Corolla project i can put the 2grfe in.. lol
Soo many people looking for more tunability, more products for the 2GR! That is some serious gains sir 😁 Planning anything for the fse? Is the intake manifold similar? Own a 2IS.
just a quick question . this is the same 3.5 v6 engine that's in the 2010 toyota camry and venza?
yes, 100% the same engine
@@FrankensteinMotorworks wow that just blow my mind, same engine.
Will this setup worked on the FSE version?
The idea would likely work but the FSE has different intake ports so the part won't directly bolt up and same thing with the camshafts, they are slightly different so they won't bolt up.
Would a GS350 benefit from adding these mods for more power?
Yes, it's the exact same engine and will respond the same way. The big issue you'll run into is that nobody makes a bolt-on exhaust for your car with these headers so there would be some DIY exhaust work involved and the exhaust is the biggest restriction in the whole system.
Simply amazing! Thank you for doing the research that you do for this engine & sharing it with the rest of us.@@FrankensteinMotorworks
Do you have a rough number on the hp lost for transmission options?
The E153 is the only one that tends to lose more power, it tends to dyno 15-20whp lower than the narrow E series, S series and EB transmissions. I would expect that all wide E series transmissions would also have those losses but i've never tested any other than the E153.
Do you think the 2GR-FE could benefit from greater VVT angle(s) than factory, if it's sprockets were modified?
It depends on the cams installed, for example the 405whp build could use a few more degrees but the stock cams and this build do not use the whole range that stock offers.
In the 405WHP build, is the VVTI's underutilization due to inadequate valve clearence?
@@tommylyeah yes and no, since i was using the 2GR-FXE pistons the cutouts were small so i had to back off the sprockets by 1 tooth which effectively killed a bunch of the range just to get back to zero. Some custom machining to avoid moving an entire tooth would have been nice, i think i need about another 10 degrees on that one and moving one tooth is 20 degrees. So even in that case it would require additional range, just some offset changes.
does this fits Vshaped 2GR-FSE?
Unfortunately the 2GR-FSE engine has very different dimensions than the 2GR-FE, the motors are similar in many ways but very few parts can be interchanged between the motors.
No "funny Bidness on decel" my favorite!!! Sounds amazing
Quality engineering and fab. Nice package and well thought out. 👍 Makes me want to find something to jam a 2gr in!
Must resist temptation to do this to the 200k mile family Rav4
Are you sure you must resist? it would be a lot of fun to see :)
The torque-steer is already bad stock.I can't imagine what it would be like modded
would this be available for any 2gr stock ecu or only a 2gr mated to a manual transmission?
The intake will work on the stock ECU but if you change the cams you will need to get the tune updated to work with them. I only have manual transmission tunes but other people out there do support the ECUs in the stock application.
That engine sounds awesome! Can you show the exhaust in another video? You're making me regret me buying my Mitsu and not getting a Toyota. I love your approach to mods.
Would be interesing to see a nicely done ported CH, IMO may reveal some hidden power.
Would like to see more detail on the exhaust work.
Wow it really sounds fantastic!!
Where or how did you tune your oem ecu?
Is it posible to tune a jdm 3sge gen 3 ecu?
does the stock Ecu work with the new plenum?
Yes it does
🤯You Sir, did an amazing job! 🎉 Also all the parts are beautiful! Well done!
Amazing work as always, congrats on this next step and in house machining is beautiful Marc, man on a mission !
Mind blown 😆 cheers from Australia