used to live on Clowes street in West Gorton and when I was 10 to 15 yrs old used to see Pickfords Haulage bringing the Beyer Garrat Locos down the street which led onto Hyde road saw some boards on them and they were going to Uganda and East Africa amazing site to see Well done Anthony Dawsonbrought back good memories for me Born in 1939 still here !!
Richard Peacock sounds like a great person! Some of the locomotives his company made for the Railways here in the Netherlands are preserved in the Dutch Railway Museum in Utrecht, and they’re very elegant machines in my opinion. Happy Birthday Mr Peacock!
Sadly ennough no engine of the biggest series of steamlocomotives on Dutch rail the Beyer Peacock NS1701-NS1835 serie of engines was saved.😢 Its unbelievable on how many pictures of daily life in that era that type is seen. If one steamengine deserves to be rebuild its that engine. Even after the days of steam (1956) the NS1794 was stil in use as a depot boiler and could drive on its own for maintenance. in 1959 the NS director saw the engine on the tracks and orderd on the spot the scraping of here.
@@obelic71 I’d read about that, yeah. Incredibly sad!! The director clearly had no respect for the history of NS. It would be great to see one be rebuilt.
my opinion of the man kept improving as you listed his interests and opinions. and then you say how he wants to change or abolish the house of lords. omg, what a man! and then you say how he wishes for self rule for ireland. omg! how much better can any man be? another excellent video.
I have a very great admiraton for him. He believed in universal male suffrage at a time when on the middle and upper classes could vote; encouraged women into the workplace by accepting women into the drawing office at Beyer Peacock on a 'fair and equitable wage' compared to the men;. He was a good and a great man.
Ah yes, the head supplier of Statens Järnvägar (the Swedish State Railways) from its very inception in 1856 up until the mid 1880s, the first locomotive class being the very handsome example shown in your thumbnail. Beyer Peacock also delivered the 2-2-2 'Göta' and her sisters for express work in 1863 as well as a grand host of other types. You can't fault his company for designing handsome machines. Good man, old Peacock, good man. Excellent as always, well done.
Many thanks Anthony - I always thought that the Hymeks were a great looking locomotive and knew that they were built by Beyer Peacock but had no idea who Beyer and Peacock were. Now I know - great video - thank you.
Excellent piece of information. The beyer peacock locomotives have been extensively used in 1970s on broad gauge in eastern India for movement of iron ore and coal on gradient sections
Excellent. The Great Western certainly held Beyer Peacock products in high esteem, that firms locos acquired from absorbed companies were nearly always kept in service far longer than those from other builders. While Daniel Gooch took the extremely unusual step of ordering a class of large goods locos to Beyer's rather to his own design.
Hamilton Ellis praised Beyer's designs, his artistry his sense of proportion and mechanical engineering instincts - and they were largely instincts in those days, mixed with practical experience, of course - very,very highly, and he ( H.E ) was something of an obsessive connisseur of design and performance. so I tend to take accept his judgment... his book ' Twenty locomotive men ' ( or something like that ) is well woth perusingT
Thank you for telling the story of these great men! To many of us steam enthusiasts with a knowledge of 19th century built locomotives, Beyer, Peacock & co is a virtual "household name." I wasn't aware though that the firm had built the Hymek's for the BR Western Region, and the Class 25s! I shall now follow your channel with interest from Australia, a place whose railways benefited very much from the designs of Beyer, Peacock, & co, especially the Beyer Garratt!
One of the engines displayed in the video still exists today in its original condition and is still pulling wagons at occations. It is the "Prins August" locomotive from1856, found in the railway museum in Gävle, Sweden. There should really have been some live footage included in the video! I have filmed it twice myself.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory That’s fair enough. You are looking at this all from an English perspective too. From a New South Welshman, looking at the preserved locos we have here, reveals that many came from Beyer Peacock.
So glad I subscribed. Your videos never fail to fascinate Anthony. Thank you.👍 Other videos on men like these would be brilliant. Maybe the famous CME's? We all know the locomotives of Collet, Drummond, Gresley, Hughes, Stanier, Bullied, Riddles, Gooch, Dean, Fowler, .... but not much about them as people.
How much of Africa, and Australia's locomotive history, was supplied by Beyer, Peacock? The firm was instrumental in the development of the transportation networks in countries like these, as is proven, simply by a glance at a builder's plate, on almost any locomotive owned by companies such as the NSWGR, from before 1920.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Painted myself into a corner of it being difficult not to accidentally insult you now!...but based on nothing else but the sound of your voice and the way you speak, I had imagined a different generation, early 70s, white hair... Shows how far off blind assumptions can be! Anyway, you've done an awful lot of youTube work recently, are you about to run out of locos to talk about, or are you only just getting into your stride?
@@thomashenderson3901 LOL! I'm in my late 30s! Just getting into my stride really. Plenty of early railways left, and going to start a new series "Rail Story Reviews" looking at books and models. :-)
from Fraser, husband of Leslie There is a Beyer Garrett in the Manchester Science Museum, built, I think, for the East African Railways to the 3' 6" gauge. I saw it many years ago and noted its mechanical stoker.
Slight correction if I may? 'Gorton Tank' referred not to B-P's Gorton foundry, but the GCR/LNER 'Tank Locomotive Works', on the other side of the railway opposite. I was born and bred about a 1/4 mile from both, and my grandfather on my dads side worked at B-P, in the paint shop, until it closed. Old mr. Peacock was quite a progressive chap, wasn't he? I'll bet he was a thorn in the side of many of the establishment! Top man. Nice vlog, sir, much appreciated.
Yes, I know and that's what I said. Gorton Tank was on one side of the MS&L maineline and Gorton Foundry was on the opposite. Gorton Tank is now mostly the Smithfield Market whilst Gorton Foundry is now Manchester Council Depot. Richard Peacock like many/all Unitarians was very progressive and had views which even today would still be considered progressive. He was a wonderful chap.
Thank you Anthony. I've been hoping to hear the history of Beyer Peacock. As a railway modeler in the US, I have built scale models of Beyer Peacocks narrow gage Garratt types which are my favorites
Important early B-P designs are the locomotives built for the Metropolitan Line and Isle of Man, and the original locomotives supplied to Sweden in 1856, of which examples can be seen in working order at the museum in Gävle.
Did you know that the Bayer Garrett locomotives were actually the locomotives made for the South African Railway. The locomotives on the Welsh Highland Railway actually were bought from the South African Railway.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Unfortunately just a render for now, but someone else has made large scale models, where narrow gauge is represented by the normal Lego track. Means there's much more detail, you can see it by joining the Facebook group LEGO RAIL. And you can see mine in my latest video on my channel.
Bit of extra information, you show the works shunter built in 1879 [shown at 8mins 18 secs in] , which is standard gauge shunter No1, standard gauge shunter No 2 is also preserved, built in 1885 and went to Australia on trial and more information can be viewed here www.tramway.co.uk/trams/new-south-wales-47/ Unfortunately it doesn't now work but the museum does have another one but in kit form which is a genuine British steam tram loco www.tramway.co.uk/trams/mbro-84/
I love your videos, you cover interesting topics that usually haven't been covered in detail before by others. I have a weird question, what is your accent? It's unlike other UK accents I've heard before and am just legitimately curious.
1:35 When I was A young boy My father Took me out to the village To see a steam train run He said "son when You grow up Will you be The builder of such gadgets Machines and Implements?" He said "will you Design them Condensers, And also Beyer-Garratts The plans that you will draw?" "Because one day I'll leave you A phantom To lead you on your steam trains And join the black coal train"
Strictly most of the Blenkinsop designs were built by Fenton, Murray and Wood. (I think Wood provided the finance, and when he sold up the company was re-named, but it mainly by then concentrated on wool industry textiles machinery and general engineering.
there was a considerable number of locomotives built by BP and co for western Australian government railways as well and between them and Dubbs made up the majority of locomotives in the first 40 years of the railway and many were copied at the local WA Governments engineering works in Midland WA under license.
Boulton had been apprenticed to Peacock at the old Newton Works of the SA&M and went on to work for the MS&L (successor to the SA&M) in the loco department.
The audio quality is a little "watery" and could have benefited from post dubbing rather than be done live during the in-person parts. Still another amazing video my friend! I hope to see more videos like this one with live on-location segments!
Sadly due to road noise. This took four days to film, all at silly o'clock in the morning, even on Easter Sunday to avoid road noise. Tried two differant mics, and cleaned up as best I could in audacity. Stupid busy roads. grumble.
Many classes of loco for the New South Wales Government Railways from Beyer Peacock, culminating in the mighty Garratt en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSWGR_steam_locomotive_classification
Sadly it's due to road noise - even bright and early on a Sunday morning. I may revisit if I have time but this is the cleanest recordings I could get due to a dual carriageway :(
I collect Victorian British Army officers swords, at the moment I am looking into purchasing Colonel Ralph Peacocks sword. Could you please let me know where you found that picture of him in uniform. Thanks
Only oversight is Richard Peacock, Henry Robinson and Charles Beyer were part of the small group that foundered the Institution of Mechanical Engineers in 1848 with James McConnell prior to the formation of the Beyer Peacock & Co. There was a myth that George Stephenson founded the IMechE after being refused membership of the I.Civil.E. but that is not true. If there is any truth it could be confusion with Charles Beyer as he couldn't join the I.Civil.E. until he became a British citizen (joining on the same day!).
I think the company's heart was in steam engines and that they found diesels all a bit unnecessary. I'm a strong fan of Hymeks, but I believe the design work was done in Swindon.
The Gorton Foundry, was, if anything, flexible and always had a diverse economic base. Its first orders were for machine tools, not locomotives and it continued to make excellent machine tools for the C19th alongside steam locomotives. It was always looking for new markets and means to keep production going: the reason they adopted the Beyer Garratt in such a big way was that the firm was in crisis and needed a new product. B,P embraced new technologies in the C19th and in the C20th even setting up a subsidiary to build diesl locomotives for export as Metropolitan-Vickers, Beyer, Peacock Ltd in 1947. As far back as 1931 they were considering diesel-electric locos and produced designs for the LMS. They embraced diesels wholeheartedly at no little cost to the complete rebuilding of the Gorton Foundry. The problem was, the Hymeks, Class 25s, Class 17s were too little too late in the face of the 1955 modernisation plan and not jsutr Britain's railways going against steam but worldwide too. In 1955 it was reported the firm had record profits and with expected orders for steam until 1960, but by the end of 1958 all steam work ceased with no orders for steam at home or abroad. They'd perhaps become too specialised in producing Beyer, Garratts. B,P were pragmatic from the beginning, but like other locomotive building firms ended up obsolete following the modernisation plan and unable to make the massive changes needed. They tried, oh boy they tried and did it well but by 1965 despite the optimism it all ended.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Thanks for this very comprehensive reply! Nonetheless, at the latest in 1946 (you mention correctly 1931), the writing was very clearly on the wall for steam engines - as it is right now for Diesel-SUV's. I think at BP there was a certain, shall we say, reticence there? As a German, I would say that the critical date for reaction was the Transport Exhibition (Verkehrsausstellung) in Munich, 1953, for which Krauss-Maffei presented the prototype Warship Class (later classified V200). BR was then plagued with weight problems with the American-style Derby EE locos (the problem continued unabated at the Vulcan Foundry even with the Baby Deltics) and an independent manufacturer upholding the Western Region-Swindon line at that stage (1953 / 54 / 55) may have swung the debate - DH is MUCH lighter (with highspeed diesels) for the same starting tractive effort. Beyer Peacock could have made more use of its German "ancestry", I feel. But I agree, this is all just hindsight. BTW, Krauss-Maffei subsequently profited hugely from the DB modernisation plan, Krupp got in much later with the V160 (1960) and never became a big name in loco manufacture. Maybe there are here some lessons to be learnt in industrial terms.
He was a Liberal if not a Radical in his politics and in his religion. As a Unitarian he believed that all people were of the same inherant dignity and worth deserved the same respect. He encouraged women into the labour force offering them skilled positions in the drawing office at Beyer, Peacock and on a parity with the men. Pretty unheard of at that time. He was pretty incredible - sadly many of his proposed reforms especially of Church and State have yet to be enacted.
I gave this video a thumbs down for one reason, you mentioned that Beyer Peacock contructed locomotives for several nations, but you did not mention the Australia where over 500 locomotives were constructed for the NSW Government Railways. Australia remains part of the British Commonwealth and was once our largest trading partner. Moreover our constitution still remains part of British Law and the King is our head of state. Albeit you did edit and produce the video well, however I'd appreciate it if you re-edit this video to incorporate Beyer=Peacock's affiliation with Australia.
I met members of the Beyer family about five years ago when I was at MOSI and they corrected my pronounciation. Carl Friedrich Beyer was, of course, German. And they told me the name was prounced Buy - Er (to use crude phonetics). Thats the pronounciation I use after being corrected and out of respect to the man and his family :-)
used to live on Clowes street in West Gorton and when I was 10 to 15 yrs old used to see
Pickfords Haulage bringing the Beyer Garrat Locos down the street which led onto Hyde road saw some boards on them and they were going to Uganda and East Africa amazing site to see
Well done Anthony Dawsonbrought back good memories for me Born in 1939 still here !!
My Geat Grandmother was born in Clowes St in 1874 - Grimshaw
Richard Peacock sounds like a great person! Some of the locomotives his company made for the Railways here in the Netherlands are preserved in the Dutch Railway Museum in Utrecht, and they’re very elegant machines in my opinion. Happy Birthday Mr Peacock!
I'm a bit of a fanboy!
@@AnthonyDawsonHistoryunderstandable! Thanks for informing me about him!
Sadly ennough no engine of the biggest series of steamlocomotives on Dutch rail the Beyer Peacock NS1701-NS1835 serie of engines was saved.😢
Its unbelievable on how many pictures of daily life in that era that type is seen.
If one steamengine deserves to be rebuild its that engine.
Even after the days of steam (1956) the NS1794 was stil in use as a depot boiler and could drive on its own for maintenance.
in 1959 the NS director saw the engine on the tracks and orderd on the spot the scraping of here.
@@obelic71 I’d read about that, yeah.
Incredibly sad!! The director clearly had no respect for the history of NS. It would be great to see one be rebuilt.
@@kikivoorburg and call here the NS1794!
my opinion of the man kept improving as you listed his interests and opinions. and then you say how he wants to change or abolish the house of lords. omg, what a man! and then you say how he wishes for self rule for ireland. omg! how much better can any man be? another excellent video.
I have a very great admiraton for him. He believed in universal male suffrage at a time when on the middle and upper classes could vote; encouraged women into the workplace by accepting women into the drawing office at Beyer Peacock on a 'fair and equitable wage' compared to the men;. He was a good and a great man.
Ah yes, the head supplier of Statens Järnvägar (the Swedish State Railways) from its very inception in 1856 up until the mid 1880s, the first locomotive class being the very handsome example shown in your thumbnail. Beyer Peacock also delivered the 2-2-2 'Göta' and her sisters for express work in 1863 as well as a grand host of other types. You can't fault his company for designing handsome machines. Good man, old Peacock, good man.
Excellent as always, well done.
Many thanks Anthony - I always thought that the Hymeks were a great looking locomotive and knew that they were built by Beyer Peacock but had no idea who Beyer and Peacock were. Now I know - great video - thank you.
Excellent piece of information. The beyer peacock locomotives have been extensively used in 1970s on broad gauge in eastern India for movement of iron ore and coal on gradient sections
Excellent. The Great Western certainly held Beyer Peacock products in high esteem, that firms locos acquired from absorbed companies were nearly always kept in service far longer than those from other builders. While Daniel Gooch took the extremely unusual step of ordering a class of large goods locos to Beyer's rather to his own design.
Hamilton Ellis praised Beyer's designs, his artistry his sense of proportion and mechanical engineering instincts - and they were largely instincts in those days, mixed with practical experience, of course - very,very highly,
and he ( H.E ) was something of an obsessive connisseur of design and performance.
so I tend to take accept his judgment...
his book ' Twenty locomotive men ' ( or something like that ) is well woth perusingT
Great video and well presented. I am a a big fan of the Beyer Peacock locomotives they all have classic lines.
Thank you for telling the story of these great men! To many of us steam enthusiasts with a knowledge of 19th century built locomotives, Beyer, Peacock & co is a virtual "household name." I wasn't aware though that the firm had built the Hymek's for the BR Western Region, and the Class 25s! I shall now follow your channel with interest from Australia, a place whose railways benefited very much from the designs of Beyer, Peacock, & co, especially the Beyer Garratt!
A great man indeed. Thanks a lot for this biographic elegiac memorial trip to Gorton.
Nice to hear more about these German engineers Beyer and Dübs. Also it's nice to see a face! Great Job Mr Dawson! :)
Thankyou! Finally getting the courage to go the otherside of the camera.
One of the engines displayed in the video still exists today in its original condition and is still pulling wagons at occations. It is the "Prins August" locomotive from1856, found in the railway museum in Gävle, Sweden. There should really have been some live footage included in the video! I have filmed it twice myself.
Sadly I dont have a budget to get to Sweden, and I didn't want to use material off UA-cam which isnt mine.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory You can use mine! I will upload it from my DV tape.
@@henrikjohansson7899 Perhaps we could do a video on Prins August?
My father also took me...to see the Beyer-Garratts on Toton-Brent coal trains, at Napsbury on the Midland near St.Albans.
Nice to see you!
You didn’t mention Australia, particularly the New South Wales Government Railways, who were one of their best customers.
I know. If I'd listed every location B,P sent its loco's it'd be a five minute list show. Just included as examples. :-)
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory That’s fair enough. You are looking at this all from an English perspective too. From a New South Welshman, looking at the preserved locos we have here, reveals that many came from Beyer Peacock.
Excellent presentation as always. Thank you.
So glad I subscribed. Your videos never fail to fascinate Anthony. Thank you.👍
Other videos on men like these would be brilliant. Maybe the famous CME's? We all know the locomotives of Collet, Drummond, Gresley, Hughes, Stanier, Bullied, Riddles, Gooch, Dean, Fowler, .... but not much about them as people.
Potentially yes, so long as they're pre 1890. So Gooch, Webb, Stirling - can you believe there's no biography him? - Beattie.
How much of Africa, and Australia's locomotive history, was supplied by Beyer, Peacock? The firm was instrumental in the development of the transportation networks in countries like these, as is proven, simply by a glance at a builder's plate, on almost any locomotive owned by companies such as the NSWGR, from before 1920.
alot considering the number of beyer garratts
does anyone else hear some distortion in the audio?
Yup. I thought it was wind, but im not sure.
@@99thBattalion milk of Magnesia may help!
@Anthony Dawson Must say I had imagined a different age and face but I thoroughly enjoyed the new perspective and the on location filming! Top work.
Cool, thanks. I'm intrigued now - what or who were you expecting?
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Painted myself into a corner of it being difficult not to accidentally insult you now!...but based on nothing else but the sound of your voice and the way you speak, I had imagined a different generation, early 70s, white hair...
Shows how far off blind assumptions can be!
Anyway, you've done an awful lot of youTube work recently, are you about to run out of locos to talk about, or are you only just getting into your stride?
@@thomashenderson3901 LOL! I'm in my late 30s! Just getting into my stride really. Plenty of early railways left, and going to start a new series "Rail Story Reviews" looking at books and models. :-)
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Sounds great!
And daftest of all, I'm older than you are! (41).
from Fraser, husband of Leslie
There is a Beyer Garrett in the Manchester Science Museum, built, I think, for the East African Railways to the 3' 6" gauge. I saw it many years ago and noted its mechanical stoker.
Indeed there is. Built for South African Railways. GL Class - the largest ever built for the 3ft 6in gauge.
Any chance on videos on early loco designers or companies please
Slight correction if I may? 'Gorton Tank' referred not to B-P's Gorton foundry, but the GCR/LNER 'Tank Locomotive Works', on the other side of the railway opposite. I was born and bred about a 1/4 mile from both, and my grandfather on my dads side worked at B-P, in the paint shop, until it closed. Old mr. Peacock was quite a progressive chap, wasn't he? I'll bet he was a thorn in the side of many of the establishment! Top man. Nice vlog, sir, much appreciated.
Yes, I know and that's what I said. Gorton Tank was on one side of the MS&L maineline and Gorton Foundry was on the opposite. Gorton Tank is now mostly the Smithfield Market whilst Gorton Foundry is now Manchester Council Depot. Richard Peacock like many/all Unitarians was very progressive and had views which even today would still be considered progressive. He was a wonderful chap.
Thank you Anthony. I've been hoping to hear the history of Beyer Peacock. As a railway modeler in the US, I have built scale models of Beyer Peacocks narrow gage Garratt types which are my favorites
You're very welcome
Unusual that an American even knows what a Beyer-Garratt is.
Richard Peacock seems like a groovy guy.
Seems like a really good man.
Important early B-P designs are the locomotives built for the Metropolitan Line and Isle of Man, and the original locomotives supplied to Sweden in 1856, of which examples can be seen in working order at the museum in Gävle.
To be honest, one could just do a series of videos on B,P locos!
Mr Peacock sounds like a real sound geezer
Did you know that the Bayer Garrett locomotives were actually the locomotives made for the South African Railway. The locomotives on the Welsh Highland Railway actually were bought from the South African Railway.
Yep, NGG16s, one of them being built under licence by Cockerill in Belgium. Perfect engines for the re-opened WHR
The Glyn Valley Tramway locos are the best Beyer Peacock locos to me. I've done a Lego design of the three locos as well
I love em. Ive got a 16mm scale one I'm building for my garde railway. I've love to see your lego one
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Unfortunately just a render for now, but someone else has made large scale models, where narrow gauge is represented by the normal Lego track. Means there's much more detail, you can see it by joining the Facebook group LEGO RAIL. And you can see mine in my latest video on my channel.
Bit of extra information, you show the works shunter built in 1879 [shown at 8mins 18 secs in] , which is standard gauge shunter No1, standard gauge shunter No 2 is also preserved, built in 1885 and went to Australia on trial and more information can be viewed here www.tramway.co.uk/trams/new-south-wales-47/ Unfortunately it doesn't now work but the museum does have another one but in kit form which is a genuine British steam tram loco www.tramway.co.uk/trams/mbro-84/
How about Saxonia next?
I love your work, is there any chance of you looking at lever drive locomotives?
Eventually
I love your videos, you cover interesting topics that usually haven't been covered in detail before by others.
I have a weird question, what is your accent? It's unlike other UK accents I've heard before and am just legitimately curious.
I was born in Wakefield and have a "Posh Yorkshire" accent...Its sort of neutral? I have a habit of picking up accents but its mostly Yorkshire.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Wow. Thank for the quick reply! That's really neat, I appreciate you taking the time to answer my odd question.
@@ardsleytank7769 That question comes up about every week!
1:35 When I was
A young boy
My father
Took me out to the village
To see a steam train run
He said "son when
You grow up
Will you be
The builder of such gadgets
Machines and Implements?"
He said "will you
Design them
Condensers,
And also Beyer-Garratts
The plans that you will draw?"
"Because one day
I'll leave you
A phantom
To lead you on your steam trains
And join the black coal train"
THIS. IS. AMAZING! My Chemical Romance meets Steam meets Peacock. YAY! Thankyou. Made my day that has.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Always welcome!
@@absinthefandubs9130 You can guess which album I've been listening to all morning!
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory , i cant. i'm from a different era. how about the name.
@@vsvnrg3263 My Chemical Romance, "The Black Parade" brilliant album. Can't believe how old it is (2006!)
Wonderful Anthony :) I assume you're a big fan of "On the Rails" with Mark Williams? well I think your series is just as good :)
Yes! Thank you!
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory - if the titular brummie were aware of this channel? we know he'd be a fan ;)
Amazing how many engineers went on to become MPs
Strictly most of the Blenkinsop designs were built by Fenton, Murray and Wood. (I think Wood provided the finance, and when he sold up the company was re-named, but it mainly by then concentrated on wool industry textiles machinery and general engineering.
there was a considerable number of locomotives built by BP and co for western Australian government railways as well and between them and Dubbs made up the majority of locomotives in the first 40 years of the railway and many were copied at the local WA Governments engineering works in Midland WA under license.
Peacock was also good personal and business friend with Boulton
Boulton had been apprenticed to Peacock at the old Newton Works of the SA&M and went on to work for the MS&L (successor to the SA&M) in the loco department.
The audio quality is a little "watery" and could have benefited from post dubbing rather than be done live during the in-person parts.
Still another amazing video my friend! I hope to see more videos like this one with live on-location segments!
Sadly due to road noise. This took four days to film, all at silly o'clock in the morning, even on Easter Sunday to avoid road noise. Tried two differant mics, and cleaned up as best I could in audacity. Stupid busy roads. grumble.
Many classes of loco for the New South Wales Government Railways from Beyer Peacock, culminating in the mighty Garratt en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSWGR_steam_locomotive_classification
Any chance well get a redux of this with better audio? Its very interesting, but I can't make out much do to whatever is causing the distortion
Sadly it's due to road noise - even bright and early on a Sunday morning. I may revisit if I have time but this is the cleanest recordings I could get due to a dual carriageway :(
Use a radio mike to eliminate the background sounds.
@@markallen1782 I was using a lapel mic. It struggled to filter out road noise, sadly.
I collect Victorian British Army officers swords, at the moment I am looking into purchasing Colonel Ralph Peacocks sword. Could you please let me know where you found that picture of him in uniform. Thanks
The picture is from Brookfield Church.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory many thanks
Only oversight is Richard Peacock, Henry Robinson and Charles Beyer were part of the small group that foundered the Institution of Mechanical Engineers in 1848 with James McConnell prior to the formation of the Beyer Peacock & Co.
There was a myth that George Stephenson founded the IMechE after being refused membership of the I.Civil.E. but that is not true. If there is any truth it could be confusion with Charles Beyer as he couldn't join the I.Civil.E. until he became a British citizen (joining on the same day!).
I think the company's heart was in steam engines and that they found diesels all a bit unnecessary. I'm a strong fan of Hymeks, but I believe the design work was done in Swindon.
The Gorton Foundry, was, if anything, flexible and always had a diverse economic base. Its first orders were for machine tools, not locomotives and it continued to make excellent machine tools for the C19th alongside steam locomotives. It was always looking for new markets and means to keep production going: the reason they adopted the Beyer Garratt in such a big way was that the firm was in crisis and needed a new product. B,P embraced new technologies in the C19th and in the C20th even setting up a subsidiary to build diesl locomotives for export as Metropolitan-Vickers, Beyer, Peacock Ltd in 1947. As far back as 1931 they were considering diesel-electric locos and produced designs for the LMS. They embraced diesels wholeheartedly at no little cost to the complete rebuilding of the Gorton Foundry. The problem was, the Hymeks, Class 25s, Class 17s were too little too late in the face of the 1955 modernisation plan and not jsutr Britain's railways going against steam but worldwide too. In 1955 it was reported the firm had record profits and with expected orders for steam until 1960, but by the end of 1958 all steam work ceased with no orders for steam at home or abroad. They'd perhaps become too specialised in producing Beyer, Garratts. B,P were pragmatic from the beginning, but like other locomotive building firms ended up obsolete following the modernisation plan and unable to make the massive changes needed. They tried, oh boy they tried and did it well but by 1965 despite the optimism it all ended.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Thanks for this very comprehensive reply! Nonetheless, at the latest in 1946 (you mention correctly 1931), the writing was very clearly on the wall for steam engines - as it is right now for Diesel-SUV's. I think at BP there was a certain, shall we say, reticence there? As a German, I would say that the critical date for reaction was the Transport Exhibition (Verkehrsausstellung) in Munich, 1953, for which Krauss-Maffei presented the prototype Warship Class (later classified V200). BR was then plagued with weight problems with the American-style Derby EE locos (the problem continued unabated at the Vulcan Foundry even with the Baby Deltics) and an independent manufacturer upholding the Western Region-Swindon line at that stage (1953 / 54 / 55) may have swung the debate - DH is MUCH lighter (with highspeed diesels) for the same starting tractive effort. Beyer Peacock could have made more use of its German "ancestry", I feel. But I agree, this is all just hindsight. BTW, Krauss-Maffei subsequently profited hugely from the DB modernisation plan, Krupp got in much later with the V160 (1960) and never became a big name in loco manufacture. Maybe there are here some lessons to be learnt in industrial terms.
He supported Home Rule for Ireland and other reforms, 🤯 didn't see that coming
He was a Liberal if not a Radical in his politics and in his religion. As a Unitarian he believed that all people were of the same inherant dignity and worth deserved the same respect. He encouraged women into the labour force offering them skilled positions in the drawing office at Beyer, Peacock and on a parity with the men. Pretty unheard of at that time. He was pretty incredible - sadly many of his proposed reforms especially of Church and State have yet to be enacted.
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Peacock sounds like a most righteous indivdual.
We need more like Peacock today.
That's true.
Yes, instead of strutting peacocks.
Well I can not wait for next year to justify his birthday so I don't have to be late again
I know the guy who owns the rights to beyer peacock, I help run a miniature railway and he swings by now and then to chat to the gang
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I gave this video a thumbs down for one reason, you mentioned that Beyer Peacock contructed locomotives for several nations, but you did not mention the Australia where over 500 locomotives were constructed for the NSW Government Railways. Australia remains part of the British Commonwealth and was once our largest trading partner. Moreover our constitution still remains part of British Law and the King is our head of state. Albeit you did edit and produce the video well, however I'd appreciate it if you re-edit this video to incorporate Beyer=Peacock's affiliation with Australia.
It was not meant to be a comprenshive list! Chill.
Also, Beyer is pronounced like the word bay, the way you say it sounds like how a German would.
I met members of the Beyer family about five years ago when I was at MOSI and they corrected my pronounciation. Carl Friedrich Beyer was, of course, German. And they told me the name was prounced Buy - Er (to use crude phonetics). Thats the pronounciation I use after being corrected and out of respect to the man and his family :-)
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Oh right, and everyone else calls it Bay-er! Haha
@@SteamLance I know. But if the Beyer family from Germany pronounce it Buy-Er then thats how it's pronounced.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Oh no, I wasn't arguing about that. I understand, as like with Porsche. Its Poor-sha, not Poor-sh.
@@SteamLance yep yep! I too also love the GVT tram engines. Ive got a 16mm scale one.