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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2024
- Skateboard wheels come in many shapes and sizes and when you begin skating its hard to work out which are the right ones for you. there is no best wheel for everyone so its a very personal quest to find what you like and works for you in the specific situations you find yourself in.
Ive been skating again now for over 6 years and i thought i had found my ideal wheel but recently i got an itch to try something else so here’s the start of my investigations into what i think i’d like to try.
I gotta say x97 and x99 are really nice for parks that are not brand new or have metal plates at the bottom of ramps because they make rolling over them really buttery, as well as making the landing from airs and flyouts way better on the joints!
Not to mention being awesome for street or even just skating to and from the car on asphalt or bricks. They slide so well and progressively, but still gives you enough grip for slick parks. I found that the v6 widecut x97s were great for the extra grip on wooden ramps where it can get extra slick.
Yeah I think they have nailed the use case in that aspect 👍🏻
I quite like powell 56 dragon wheels.
ive been riding the 60mm lance mountain wheels for a few sessions now and i love them!
Awesome I think I’m going to like them too 👍🏻
I use X99 60mm Hawk wheels for Skatelite and Gator Skins ramps. A smaller ride patch than I'm used to, so cess slides can be unpredicatable until I get used to them. Fast af, though.
So the same as mine then, I’m finding them good on skatelite and fast but a little too quiet which feels weird 😂 I was hoping they would be more like 99 spitfires but they feel softer.
On concrete they feel very similar to the spitfires and sound ok too.
60mm spitfire formula 4 radial full kader edition
its the widest biggest formula 4 i could find and its super fun!
I haven’t seen those but I wouldn’t want them any wider than these ones.
Think the animation is for when you pick up your board after riding and it's spinning slowly and not spinning as fast as when you spin the wheel with your hand kind of thing. Could be, maybe, I could be wrong of course lol (in my opinion)
I tried at all different speeds and could only notice it when watching it back on camera not with the naked eye.
Bones 60 mm 84B Caballero wheels are my favourite. For speed in a bowl, I have come to the conclusion that bearings barely matter but the harder the wheels the faster the ride. 36 pounds in your money.
👍🏻 I have some 84b but they don’t grip as well as the spitfires for me on the surfaces I ride I’m finding these x99’s much better for that. I do find bones Swiss bearings noticeably better than cheap ones reds/bronson g2/g3 etc so I stick with them these days and they last forever so I doubt I’ll need to replace them in years if ever.
Great content. I ride the formula 4 99A 58mm on my main board and formula 4 99A 56mm on my back up slightly smaller board. They pretty much feel the same to me. I've also used spit fire 97a 58mm which used in the winter and like a lot. But, the 99A's feel a bit more crisp and quick.
Thanks 👍🏻 I tried the 56’s thinking it wouldn’t be much different but it really messed up my lock ins on grinds and lip tricks so I went straight back to the 58’s. My friend has the 97’s and they are so quiet it freaks me out 🤣 same story for Powell dragons. I’m sure a lot of it psychological but I have to be able to hear the wheels or it really throws me off.
This is interesting because a few years ago I bought a set of the exact wheels that you use, F44 Full Conical 99a 58s, slipped out a couple of times when they were new and I got spooked by them and they've remained untouched since. Might have to revisit them. My go to is still Spitfire, but I like the Classic formula. They feel a little smoother and less plasticky to me. But 2 issues: 1: they're really hard to find and Spitfire's naming is super confusing. First there were Classics, then F44 Classics, then OG Classics to distinguish from F44 Classics, but then they added F44 OG Classics, so I gave up trying to find Classic Formula ones.
2: The Classic Formula doesn't last as well, flat spots fairly easily. But so nice to ride when they're new or newish. Still 99a but feel more like an old school 97a to me.
I think with all wheels you kinda have to give them a good few runs in concrete to take the slick off the surface and rough them up a bit, I think the formula 4’s get better the more you run them in. On wood they are verging on “slippery” but the extra width of the full conicals counter that , bones SPF are way more slippery on wood and I think that’s partly due to their thin contact patch. These bones X99’s are feeling somewhere in between but very close to the F4’s
I’ve never tried classics but their width made me think they wouldnt be quite as grippy as the full conicals but I didn’t really think any further than than enough to want to try them.
@@NeilHesterSkateboarding the Classics came in a 60mm that was full conical, same shape as the ones you use. All the other sizes were a skinnier shape but the 60s were perfect. Then they bought out the "OG Classics" with more full conical shapes so I got some 58s just because the purple went better with my deck. I'm sure you'd love them but they all seem to be F44 now, hard to find the Classic Formula, and as I say it doesn't last as well. Those Lance Mountain ones look rad.
@mistersooty ah ok all the classics I’ve seen were narrower, it’s pretty hard to find 60mm of anything here all the Skateshops seem to only go as big as 58mm but I didn’t want to try the classic formula either and wanted to stick to formula 4 which these LM’s are so I think I’m set.
@@NeilHesterSkateboarding yeah the classics are way too confusing now anyway and you never really know which ones you're going to end up with when ordering online. I think I'm going to give my F44 Full Conicals another try. They seem to work for you.
@@mistersooty yeah formula 4 are pretty hard to beat I always recommend them to anyone asking what wheels they should get for a good all surface choice.
i recently changed to 169 titaniums and 56mm 97a nanos. the 169s are the best. so much more control and stability. 56mm is the lowest i will go because im a big wheel guy too
You definitely get more leverage on a wider truck which is a bit too much for me, I did ride a setup with 169’s as a bowl board for a while but it was just a bit too big heavy and loose for my liking. 149’s are my sweet spot for years now. I can’t go smaller than 58mm I ran some 56mm spitfires and it totally messed up my lock ins and lip tricks 🤣
My perfect wheel is classic 99 and 101 😇 no more than 53mm, but currently I ride on 51 and is super smooth, maybe because I skate on the street and need more control for flip tricks and grinds
Sounds very street oriented to me.
i quite like the x97 56mm v6, i have 3 sets. i also have x99 54mm v5 but have not tried them yet. v6 is same shape as v5 but wider, 56mm v6 is 36mm wide, 54mm v5 is 31mm wide. i've actually never owned spitfires, they just always seemed too skinny for me. the classics anyway, especially under 56mm. the conical fulls seem too square. i might like a radial or radial full. i like the bones v6 shape bc it's wide with a rounded edge like a radial, but sidecut like a conical. i don't skate much transition, but i'd like to give it a go.
That was my thought as well….what about the Bones V6 shape?
The thing about full conicals is they get wider the bigger they get I think they have the measurements on their website somewhere, I think the tablets and lock ins are narrower. Width is often a good trade off for grip too so a wider wheel with more contact will grip better and you can go up a hardness level and have the same grip as a narrower softer wheel. Sounds like you prefer your wheels on the softer and smaller side though.
@@NeilHesterSkateboarding i have some bones v2 shape? whatever their tablet shape is. they ride and skate well enough i guess but they remind me of shopping cart wheels. i get completes from secondhand markets sometimes, so i get decent stuff at super low prices but i end up with a lot of stuff that i probably wouldn't have chosen myself. it's a good way to try new things without risking much expense on a possible disappointment
Yeah they have square sides which makes for a more solid lock in on coping etc which I much prefer over more radiused rounded sides which are more suited to street skating.
Cannot talk about how durometer affects speed but bigger wheels have higher top speed with smaller acceleration and smaller wheels have lower top speed with higher acceleration.
I prefer bigger wheels aswell but due to rough surfaces where I skate I use mostly dragons formula. At skateparks I swap them for F4 full conical 99 58mm 😉
I think the acceleration part can be ignored for skateboarding since any difference wheel size could affect will be very easily negated by just puting a bit more effort in to your push or pump, bigger wheels will also be better on rough srufaces and then all you need to consider is the hardness.
I would really love to see a proper comparison by someone to really debunk how the wheels roll depending on the durometer, compound, and contact patch. All these 93a to 99a wheels coming in to the market, and it's hard to say how they really perform in speed on different surfaces.
It would have to be done with the same diameter wheels, same bearings and trucks, rolling down the same amount of slope and into a flat surface, and in the same straight path. I would do this myself, but I cannot source new wheels to test at the same time...
I get what you’re saying but it’s almost impossible to be so scientific because we all have different preferences and needs depending on our ability, the terrain we skate, the speed etc. so you usually do have to go in your own journey of discovery. People with a decent amount of ability and experience with different wheels and hardness can give their opinions and get you in the ballpark area if they skate the same surfaces and tricks that you are aiming for. But in general small or soft wheels are slow and bigger harder wheels are faster, there are the nuances of small wheels being more beneficial for street skating and bigger wheels for transition. Some people settle for something in between.
@@NeilHesterSkateboarding yes, preference is what really matters in the end since it’s all fun and games anyway, but I would suggest that SPEED is an objective factor, and what a certain duro/diameter/contact patch can offer can let one decided if we need to sacrifice our board lightness, budget, or more by choosing a wheel over another. Just my thought!
@@burger1113 “speed” is definitely questionable and the majority of your speed will come from good riding technique, I felt like experimenting and it seems to be good so far, last night I skated a very fast skatelite vert ramp and I didn’t need to put much effort on to stay up at the coping.
if you ride on rough streets and parks get some 93a dragons. i have been skating since 85 and i have been a wheel guy the whole time. i bought a set of spitfires when they were a new company ok. i bought a set of 58mm dragons and it was like driving a Cadillac for the first time. they are all that. they ruined wheel shopping for me. im hooked on them
In the End it’s always either Spitfire or Bones wheels. based on the type of feet you have, body weight and what types skateboarding you do. OJ’s only good wheels are their big soft cruiser wheels. And even then I’ve had 2 sets of OJ Juice wheels that split and chunked off. 👌👍
i have some oj2s from the '80s that i still ride and quite like. 60mm x 47mm 97a, though prob worn to 57ish. not sure what you'd call the shape, i believe they are center-set, with a deep conical cut outer edge and a rounded inner lip. it's just what i picture a standard early-mid '80s wheel shape, but i was real young then. i'm not sure if they were intended to be reversed, if you might prefer the rounded edge to the outside. i never rode them like that and don't think i would unless they were coned. they belonged to an older cousin, he had them on a kevin staab either pirate or mad scientist, with red/white trackers.
@@diplenski well to be honest almost everything was made/built much better in the past. Current OJ quality is sad. Flat spots right outta the box. My cousin Ben Degros does honest reviews and he did the same with a few power slides.
Most 78A wheels will chunk of they’re smaller than 60mm. I have 60mm Super Juice’s and 66mm Slimeballs. The Slimeballs don’t chunk.
@@memorysometimers3067 i watch his channel. i only have 1 set of modern ojs. the shape and ride are fine, but they tend to chunk out similar to my experience with bones stf. i don't really do a lot of powerslides so never really had much of an issue with flatspots
@@75YBA SlimeBallz are ok. I actually have a set of 66mm too and they’re on my mini cruiser 30” board with Indy 129 so much fun. My favourite cruiser wheel is the Thunder Juice 75mm. I haven’t chunked my current set at all and they’re 5 years old now.
did you get a bill from customs from the stuff bought from the states? or pay a lot of postage?
Postage was kinda expensive I can’t remember exactly how much but there was no extra customs charge. I think it has to be over £100 to get customs charges but it might be more than that even.
Have you tried Oust bearings?
I haven’t, they don’t seem to be sold here but maybe I’ll try them one day. I hope they aren’t as over hyped as Rockin Ron’s rockets , Bones Swiss are way better than them.
Itś like Spitfire is good long lasting wheel. At least for the last 15 years.
Yeah the ones I have are still in perfect shape after about 5 years of riding a few times a week. I don’t do slides of skate street so I’m sure if you did you could probably wear them out faster but for me riding bowls and ramps they last very well !
You know what this is called?
Its a hige addiction you should get help for.
Maybe there is a wheel envy suport group in your area.. 😂😂
It’s called being a skateboarder
I’ve been riding the 60mm Hawk X99 wheels on my reissue Bucky Lasek board. I really like them. Grippy enough in wooden bowls and really fast too. Let us know how you get on with them 🛹👊
I’ve ridden them on concrete and they are fast and grippy just like my usual spitfires and on a skatelite vert ramp and they are just the same but a little quieter. Will try on some regular wooden ramps tomorrow. So far I’m very happy with them and they are a worthy choice against 99 spitfires .
Hey Neil. I ride spitfire 56, 99a. Formula 4 but v cut/ narrow patch. They work great on woodramps. Somehow the narrowness grips better on wood and it's lightweight, which is also cool for boardcontrol. The rounded shape is cool to get in'n out of coping liptricks. I had bones spf 60 mm 84b. Loved them in park. But once i had a fakie wheelbite and it Cost me a wristbreak. So I went down from that big size. But 60 mm spf is a lot of fun in bowls and superfast ! But yeah def 84 spf too slippery on vert ramps. Thanks for the video.
@@martinschiller3298cheers 👍🏻 I actually have some 56mm spitfires too but I found them too small for me and wasn’t locking in a reliably as I do with the 58mm ones but I didn’t have any grip issues on wood either.