So they out a tracker on that lady's car, she stuck it to a pole, and they had to ask for it back? I mean, couldn't they TRACK it and get it themselves? 😂
If the police claim there is no expectation of privacy and cars are on public roads then can’t civilians make the same argument for putting trackers on their cars ?
It’s just some nonsense these police departments argue to try and get around our individual rights. The fact is, these police have no business putting anything on our private property regardless of what they think is going on or what some judge has to say. If they think illegal activity is going on then come up with some evidence the normal way and make an arrest.
@@Metqa tracking your own property is fine. You can even put it on your dogs or cats. You can even track your wife's car or whatever but the way for that morally is consent. Without consent it breeds distrust.
Technically not. To qualify as a gift, it requires, (1) the person to intend to give ownership, (2) physical transfer of the property, and (3) acceptance from the recipient. They had no intention of giving ownership of the tracker to the target, and he had no ability to accept.
You’re right. Not to mention, even if it is labeled “property of law enforcement” you have no way of knowing if that’s legit. Crazy stalkers are just as capable of writing or putting stickers on things as cops are. .
There are some really controlling dudes who put trackers on their wife/ex-wife's car, or even sew monitoring devices into stuffed animals they give their kids. There are a lot of nefarious actors out there who use these things, not just law enforcement who are subject to some sort of oversight. If you find one of these things on your vehicle, it is totally reasonable for you to believe that you are the victim of a crime. That being the case, remove the device, and take it to the nearest police station, and file a report for stalking and harassment.
My ex was dating a guy who fancied himself a private investigator. He put a tracker on my car. Not sure how long it was there, but I moved it to the underside of a long haul truck at a Loves truck stop. I came home from work about a week later to find them in my house going through my papers in my safe. They were both arrested. Seems they had put that tracker on my car to wait for me to be gone. Probably confused the shit out of them when it showed I was half way across the country but I showed up.🤣
@@SigurtherMost safes kinda suck honestly. If you get a $300-400 Walmart google and twenty minutes or less of work will get it open. Less if you've got a decent power drill. Security measures like that are only to A) stall and B) make it more work so more people will decide it's not worth it. There's not a safe in the world that will keep out a determined thief on its own.
While I agree that a lost GPS tracker should NOT be grounds for a search warrant that guy who took the tracker off and put it inside his meth house was clearly an idiot. 🤦
IMO, if an unknown object on your property has nothing on it to indicate who owns it, the owner didn't do due diligence, and it should be considered abandoned.
Federal law says that anything that arrives in the mail, that you did not request, is your property. You may keep it or dispose of it any way you wish. That same principle should apply to police trackers.
@@SoccerPhoto The only diligence that's due is whether there's a camera on or attached to the device, because, if not, they'll never know how it came off at night in the middle of a very busy highway. And they won't be able to figure out where it went or how it got to the place of it's demise because it was accompanied there by a signal jamming device.
1 Wear gloves 2 Remove device 3 Place device on OTR tractor trailer 4 When police inquire, ask them "What tracker?" 5 If they present a warrant, demand they present the warrant for placement of the tracker.
@@tenkaiechi01They put their real intentions in movies, books, music, and games. Then when people people realize it and call them out in it, they claim those people are nuts and have been watching too much television or playing too many video games to make said person/people seem crazy. You mentioned the “sanctuary zones” That sounds like the 15 minute cities that they want here in America. Could you imagine a world where there a 15 minute cities that a barricaded off much like in say the Twisted Metal show. There would still be people outside the cities, but they’d be the desperate and dangerous ones. Sure, they may not have weapons attached to cars, but it could be a bad scenario nonetheless. Mad Max and The Postman would be other similar type movies. Not saying this WILL happen, but kinda makes a person wonder sometimes. Hell, they could keep people in the “sanctuary cities” with those DEWs they used in Hawaii. Wouldn’t that be some crap. Everywhere outside the cities just burned down to nothing, making it practically impossible for people to hunt and survive
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Had a friend in the Army who found 1 on his truck, he sold the truck and bought something else, the dealership pulled it off and called the State Police. Local Police tried to arrest him and he said what are you talking about. He was on post and the Locals put out a warrant for his arrest. State Police retuned the favor, and arrested the Cop who put it on the truck. Then the Feds got involved as he was living on Post and tracking military personal on active duty is considered spying.
Just like in the McCarthy era, it often takes the army to stand up to tyrannical governments. Ironic when you think about it when in most places, they are the biggest threat to democracy.
Exactly. This guys an idiot If i found a random tracker on my car, how would i know whos it was, and without a warrant, its none of a cops business where i go anyways
If I find a police tracker on my car, that tracker is mine now. It's being opened, taken apart, and the parts are being used in other GPS projects of mine. Thanks for the free stuff, guys.
What a friend of mine who worked with emergency services dispatch commented about for dealing with the trackers is that there are a LOT of ways people can use them to screw with the police. The one that caused the most problems was crossing into another state and acting paranoid about an unusual device you found stuck to your car to the local police in that area. With that one, the person with the device attached may or may not have known what it was, but told the local cops he noticed it after remembering a story about car bombs and then noticed something unusual on the car. Their bomb squad showed up, removed and "disabled" the device, then, in the investigation, followed the serial number and sent the bill for it to the cops who put it on the car and a large interstate issue that came down on them for it.
Some cities have law enforcement cameras everywhere that capture license plates and track their movements. Not saying it's a bad thing, they recently captured a gang member who shot and killed a small child in road rage incident in Lancaster, CA this way.
@@thepatriot6966 The point is in the public sphere your going to be seen by people on the outside but in the private sphere you shouldn't be seen without your permission. Yes your device does give data to some extent but you want to know the difference? Your phone is a device that benefits you and you have ALOT of freedom on where and how that data is sent, with a tracker its data is being sent to the one who placed it you have no agency on that department if you dont know its there. Its not so much about the data being there, its about the AGENCY you have in that data.
@@ml-fishing1341 It doesn't stop any social gathering because that's not what cameras are designed to do there designed for criminal dissuasion in places where people are often going to be by showing if you do this your going to be caught after the fact which makes them an example to not do that in front of one where people are most likely going to be it creates a safer area for people to travel. A gang can be any social group as a gang can be formed and have it not be illegal until it becomes illegal so what your requesting is realistically impossible regardless of the security measure because your asking a measure to catch something BEFORE it happens when passive measures can only catch something AS its happening.
Some insurance companies involved with disability and workers compensation cases have used GPS trackers for evidence in court cases. A friend who was involved in a disability case found one on his car. He took it to a railroad freight yard and put it on a random container. The tracker went across country by train, truck, ship and back to truck before the trial date. The insurance lawyer attempted to claim he drove his car ~5000 miles and was lying when he said he couldn't sit or drive longer than 30 minutes. When questioned how they came across this information, they admitted to the illegal tracker and the judge ruled against the insurance company, even awarding additional compensation to my friend.
Just because the car drives longer than 30 minutes doesn't mean the disabled person was driving. Obviously someone else could drive the disabled person somewhere because they CAN'T DRIVE FOR MORE THAN 30 MINUTES. Even if this disabled person did drive for more than 30 minutes, one car trip over 30 minutes doesn't nullify their contention. Maybe they were having a VERY good day! Maybe in order to drive those more than 30 minutes they had to take an unsafe amount of prescription pills just to get through that half hour. That insurance company sounds stupid, and lazy.
@@brys555 Most people, including insurance adjusters, are only of average intelligence. It sounds like this adjuster was maybe a couple of ticks below average. Don't let these insurance fiends bully you. I worked as an insurance claim adjudicator for seven years. I know how many of these adjusters think. They look for reasons to deny claims, rather than reasons to approve them. I was the latter. It wasn't my money. Instead of trying to deny claims, I tried to pay them. If it wasn't specifically excluded as a covered item, I paid the claim. People suffer enough. Making them pay for some of these expenses can be the straw that sends them into a downward spiral from which they never recover. You'd think seven years of doing that would have earned me some karma bonus points, but I haven't felt those bonus points much yet....
We found one on an employees car. A PI labeled with his name and phone number and asked for it to be returned if found. The Police investigated and informed the employee that the PI was hired to catch her husband with another man’s wife. Her husband would use her car when he had a rendezvous planned. She divorced her prominent Doctor husband.
Exactly. Given that YOU are responsible for the safety and security of yourself, your family, and anyone who happens to be your passenger, and no police officer is going to request permission to track you, You pretty much have a duty to get rid of an anonymous stalker's tracking device in the most misleading way possible. But don't worry. Now days they can track you in any number of ways. Now the auto manufacturer may have already installed a tracking device law enforcement might gain access to, and nearly every phone on the market is directly or indirectly a tracking device with varying levels of accuracy. Heck, even a smart TV and other appliances and utilities include ways of tracking or otherwise stalking you. Corporations do it all the time, and they never obtain a warrant to do so. Comforting?
"Judge, we think this guy stole our tracker!" "Why do you think that?" "Well, we put it on his vehicle and now it's not working anymore." "... Wait... YOU put the tracker on HIS vehicle and now you're claiming HE stole it from you? You're the ones putting it on HIS property. If he found it there, it's YOUR fault it's missing." How that hearing should have gone.
I actually watched one officer put one on my car. So I drive over the the police station and drop it off at the front desk. Police is fuming. Judge said "You put it there, he returned it. As far as I am concerned he returned your property... that said... is there anyone that can produce that search warrant needed to put the tracker on it in the first place because I don't have a copy." My lawyer perked up and the judge said "Hold it, save that for the clerk, separate case there"
AND WITH ALL SEARCH WARRANTS, A COPY MUST BE GIVEN TO YOU, TO MAKE IT LEGAL, UNDER THE U.S. CONSTITUTION, DURING THE SERVING OF SAID WARRANT. SO ANYWAYS YOU'RE SCREWED. THE BEST WAY I EVER SAW A TRACKER AND COPS FUCK WITH, WAS ON MY UNCLE'S CAR THEY FOUND ONE, NOT THAT LONG THERE BY THEIR TECH GUYS LOOKING AT IT??? WELL, THEY SET UP THIS STREET FOR ABOUT EIGHT BLOCK FROM THIS ONE POINT ON THE STREET IN BOTH WAYS. SO, WHEN THE TRACKER GOES ON THE STREET/ IT JAMED. SO, THEY DRIVE THE 7 BLOCKS DOWN THIS STREET WHERE THE PO-PO DOES NOT KNOW? AND RIGHT INTO A CRUSHER IN A JUNKYARD 8 MINUTES LATER THE THREE-TON CAR IS A BLOCK 2.5 FEET BY 2.0 FEET BY 3.0 FEET TALL? YOU GET THE PICTURE. TO TOP IT ALL OFF HE HAD THE CAR BLOCK DELIVERED TO THE FRONT OF THE POLICE STATION, THREE NIGHTS LATER....THINK THEY GOT THE MESSAGE BUT THAT WAS THE CLASS WAY TO DO IT..HE RETURNED THERE PROPERTY!?!...LMAO.
This is good to hear, watching this reminded me of when my parents and I watched No country for old men in 2007 and dad told me, if I ever find a bag of money, check for a tracker!
How I think it should be: If there's a tracker placed on your vehicle and you neither consented nor were you previously given a court order to have it on your vehicle, then that tracker is now yours to do with as you please and the police have forfeited all rights related to it. :3
Oh no. The police will go to the court and with the cooperation of an impartial judge who will find you guilty of something they conjure up and will fine you ten times the value of the device plus the exhorbitant cost of the police investigation, sentence you to 6 months in jail and put a lien on any property that you own until they feel like they have applied the obscure law that was passed in the year 1867 regarding farm implements stolen during the civil war and which were used to produce food for the US Army before they were stolen. Justice will have been served and all will be right with the world. That's the legal system is the ole US of A. Flusche is right. NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE. EVER.
What tracker? It would be on its way around the world on a cargo ship. They have to prove YOU found their tracker and it didn't just fall off or get taken by somebody else.
Search warrants are (initially, at least) sealed though, you wouldn’t know if the courts granted one. That would defeat the whole point of issuing a search warrant.
My truck is my personal private property, and falls under the same protections as my home. Until the police pay for my vehicles, they aren't allowed to attach things to them. Period.
Clearly you are not an attorney, a vehicle especially when in public does not have anywhere near the same legal protection as a home. Who told you this? They are wrong, period. I think it's just so precious you think saying period has any bearing on the reality of the situation. They are the police, they are allowed to put that on your car, now if it's legally admissible evidence or even grounds to sue them that is complicated but in general yes the police can put a track on your car if they have a warrant it's their unquestioned legal right. You think just because you bought something in America you're allowed to enjoy it? In this day and age and you're still so naive? Come on kid.
I understand, but a search warrant is a search warrant. That means they are allowed to do that, just like they are allowed to enter your house with a search warrant and confiscate your private property. I think the best thing to do is just remove the tracking device and throw it away, claiming ignorance as to what it was.
Magistrates will issue not only search warrants but also arrest warrants when the facts do not even begin to meet the statutory requirements. These people are grossly incompetent and should not have any authority whatsoever.
“Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight, that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced, or objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.” Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand “The question isn’t who is going to let me; it’s who is going to stop me.” - Ayn Rand
Thankfully, most states don't have magistrates with that power. That said, it'd be nice if Congress were to restrict the power to sign warrants solely to judges.
I would do this: 1) Google the mailing address for a small police station in Tibet. 2) Go to the UPS store and order a large, overnight delivery box for electronics. 3) Mail it! 4) Mail the receipt and a letter stating why I am peeved to the state Attorney General. They will pass the info along to the relevant police agency. They will have to reach out to their colleagues on the other side of the globe to get it back!
If the tracker is unmarked it could be from someone who means you harm. If it is from the police consider it a gift to do with as you please. If you do deal in drugs go to an abandoned building for 15-20 minutes then park at mayors house chief of police and 2 city council members for 5-10 minutes each.
You forgot the anonymous call to the DEA about the corrupt cops dealing drugs, extortion, prostitution,illegal gambling. Just wait for the swat team and guys in blue windbreakers,they hate competition.
I had one on my car once. Why? I was an Amway distributor that sponsored someone into my downline that was associated with the Montana Freemen. The FBI thought that because I was holding meetings, wearing a suit, and had observed me going into and out of a John Birch bookstore (where one of my downline worked) I was somehow associated with their "patriot" movement. I ended up placing the tracker on a patrol car parked at a wal-mart. Several months later, just before the big stand-off, I had US Marshalls take me into custody and questioned me about a number of things. Of course, I knew my rights, and all they got from me was my name, dob, address and blank stares until my attorney arrived. Nothing happened to me; it was fun to watch their faces as my attorney had me spend an hour showing them the Amway plan and how downlines worked LOL.
I think your solution is pretty funny, but I want to let anyone else reading this know that Amway is a multi-level marketing scam that will leave you broke-ass if you get involved, stuck with a basement full of products nobody wants, and all of your friends and family mad at you for pestering them to buy that sh*t. Also, Amway is owned by and enriches the DeVoss family, a bunch of right-wing fundamentalist Christian fanatic billionaires who are trying to destroy public education in this country (remember Trump's Education Secretary Betsy D.), among other right-wing f*ckery.
What if you happened to park next to a police car somewhere, and somehow, the tracker fell off of your vehicle and accidentally got attached to the police car?
To be clear, *it's a really bad idea* to try deliberately "making" this happen (by actually moving the device to a patrol car yourself). If you are caught, you can be charged with tampering with a police vehicle, which can get you in a _lot_ of hot water very quickly. Yes, it's a double-standard, but it's still real, and you really don't want to find yourself on the wrong end of it.
@@guidosarducci209 They don’t have to show a warrant in all situations. Obviously, police have to get a warrant to do a wire tap, but they aren’t going to tell the subject because that would defeat the purpose of the wire tap.
@@lmcc0072 Very true, but if they don't show it to you, you probably would not have any obligation to comply, such as keeping it where it is, as you have no knowledge of the tracker being legally put there. It could be a crazy clown murderer hoping to kill you, you don't know.
I've always wondered why putting a flyer on your car isn't considered littering. Now I'm wondering why the police putting a tracker on your car isn't also littering?
Not a lawyer: If someone puts a flyer on your car, they intend for you to read it, and the first amendment lets them do it. If you then throw it on the floor, you do not intend anyone to read it, so it's littering. Personally, I think the next person to use my parking place will want to read the flyer, so I kindly leave it on the floor with the intent that they read it.
Found a GPS device on my work truck and tossed it in a dumpster. A week later, there were two uniformed officers and a detective at my door asking where the device was. I played dumb and they made some vague legal threats, but ultimately left empty handed. I moved out of state not too long after that, and never heard anything about it again. I still have no idea why they were tracking me.
I was on the federal case where Jones was being tried by the Feds. He outsmarted the Feds to the point they placed the tracker on his car. Him and his lawyers were genius; the judge told him if he hadn't gotten mixed up in this, he'd be one hell of a lawyer. He ran out of money for his defense and took the case to the Supreme Court himself. He'd end up getting freed with time served (7 years). It was one of the most fascinating cases i served on as a juror. I would occasionally see him or his co defendants around town and they would just nod at me and say thanks. In my opinion, it was obvious they were selling coke, but the Feds couldn't prove it and they made many errors and were caught in several lies by the judge and the defense.
We found one on a wrecked trailer we recovered a few years ago, called local Leo before leaving tow Co yard, they said it wasn't theirs. It belonged to the Feds. Called them, they claimed it wasn't theirs, we proceeded to where insurance company wanted trailer taken too. We got 20 miles from tow yard and got pulled over by no less than 12 black suburbans with armed men. After 4 hours, it was determined that some part time desk jocky failed to close case after trailer was involved in a major crash 7 months earlier. Gota love part time fed workers who can't do the simple job of a little paperwork.
That seems to be a common theme throughout all of government. Nobody knows anything when YOU need answers from them, but when THEY need something from _us_ theyre always hiding in a bush in your front yard ready to pounce because you owe them a dollar. Only to find out it was actually paid off years ago.
Idea. Have your attorney file it with the secretary of state as "found" property. In order to claim it, they have to identify themselves as the owner with documentation. And this information will be FOIA obtainable so you will know who is doing it. After X days, it becomes yours. Wondering out loud. Is it a crime to put a tracker on the police?
I agree, it should fall under abandoned property law. Also I think tracking a police vehicle should be allowed, but in my state it's against the wire-tapping law. I disagree with the courts decision on this because the police car belongs to the public and it should be our right to know what is being done with public property by public officials on our dime.
@@johnwesley256 The reason to discover who did it, then you can get the warrant or otherwise obtain the name of the person who actually put the device on the vehicle. Depending on the local statues, you can probably get that person charged under the "theft of energy" statues if they are broad enough since they do NOT require that you benefit from the loss of energy only that you cause more energy to be used for a purpose the person paying would have been unaware of. (Used to charge people who charge their personal phones at work if they don't tell their bosses.) Since the extra weight WILL cause an infintesimal increase in the cost of operating the car...
@@lunatik9696 - "To protect and serve" was never anything more than a PR slogan. The SCOTUS has ruled that LEOs have no legal obligation to protect OR serve the citizenry. Their primary obligation is to uphold the law (at which they consistently fail).
@@jamesbizsIf you fought that hard enough, you would win. How is it not a gift or free like a flyer put on your car? How can the person in the dark be blamed for not knowing why the object was there in the first place? You put an object on my property, you do not get to blame me if I toss it in the garbage... The prosecution would have to convince a jury that it was theft when it is just an object left on your private property...
@@TopiasSalakka For what? Anyway, that trucker then finds the tracker and attaches it to a train, that is found, it goes back on another truck, that trucker then finds it and attaches it to its cargo being loaded on an airplane heading overseas...
Funny story. A mechanic claims to have found a GPS tracker on his friends car. The friend promptly returned the tracker to the US Gov by sending it the US Consulate in Ulan Battar, Mongolia. Apparently he could not be charged as he had returned the device to the US gov.
we had a visit from state LE at a post I was stationed at...they had put trackers on some vehicles in the city nearby and were upset that the trackers did not work when they were near the installation. We were testing some new equipment and apparently, it blocked their system. I just laughed and said, "tough shit--we are not stopping"...how stupid can they be? Did they not know that the military operates some large and powerful electronic warfare equipment?
@@nco_gets_itIn most countries, the cop profession attracts entitled people who want power over others. There are a lot of good cops who do it because they want to make a difference. But there is no denying that professions where you have power over others attract entitled people. They let it go to their head thinking everyone has to obey them. Not realizing that the military is not subject to the same laws, or enforcers as civilians.
One of my neighbors builds custom industrial machine parts. While at work this past summer, they watched as somebody placed a tracking device on an employee's truck. They removed it and put it on a truck making a delivery to Canada.
My friend found two, one for each of his vehicles. He found out where they came from, (State Wildlife and fish). He took them off, went one State over, (Alabama to Mississippi), packed them in a box with 25 pounds of sand and shipped them back C.O.D. They placed them on his 4 wheeler's which were inside a closed structure, in the middle of the night.
@@peted2770 If that's the case, then tbh, F him, I hope the law comes for him with all they've got and more. Poaching and habitat destruction are just animal abuse on a large scale. Animal abusers get no sympathy for anything.
If the police can't produce warrent signed by a judge, she should sue them. The claims should be paid from their pensions. If a judge did sign this, that judge should receive an ethics review, and risk disbarment.
No, it hasn't. To be a gift, it is required for (a) the gifter to "intend" to hand over ownership to the recipient, (b) a physical trasfer of possession, and (c) the recipient accept the proposed gift. In this kind of scenario, the police absolutely have no intention of giving ownership of the tracker, and the recipient wouldn't know it was there, so they have no ability to accept.
@@finris1 thats a unreasonable expectation and an undue burden on the general public. knowing the intent of..... oh wait you can't know cause all you know is you received a random object at random time at a random place from the unknown..... thats the just a stupid expectation worthy of Darwin awards aplenty.
@@TheReal_birbwizard (1) You can prove intent by the facts of the case. Like how they put it on the car in a way where most people wouldn't notice unless they checked their car thoroughly. Or how it was a tracker. Those facts point to the idea they were using it to keep tabs on the car's owner, not trying to gift him a free tracking device. (2) I am not saying the police should be allowed to do this. I am just stating the legalities involved.
@@marcelgaddis9319 Yup, send it to China. They would reverse engineer it then start selling jammers on wish and temmu that can block its frequencies. LOL
At a gas station I observed a lady looking under her car. She had dropped her keys and saw the box when she picked up her keys. She ask me what is was and the thing had gps tracker written on it. She was recently divorced and said her husband was a bad person. I pointed to a truck and said I wonder where that thing is going. Last time I saw her she was walking towards the truck with the tracker in hand. Always wondered what state he found it in?
She should of recorder on her phone that tracker being under her car, and then put it on truck. She would have a nice legal kickback against that moron husband for illegaly tracking her.
I would've called 911 😂 Make the police come out and have to explain that it's their device that they attached to my vehicle, then demand to see the warrant that permitted them to do so.
Good luck getting reimbursed when the b*mb squad disables the suspicious device, along with your vehicle. There are a few unfortunate individuals litigating for reimbursement from the police/government for destroying their homes or businesses by mistake. They of course take no responsibility for their actions, even when they admit it is 100% their error.
The old ones we used at first (which weren't even GPS) were much bigger, and actually looked a little like a bomb. We had one guy spot one while filling up with gas at a service station. He went inside and called the police and saiid that he thought that someone had put a bomb under his car. We sat and watched the bomb squad show up, and had to pull them off to the side and tell them what it really was.
Rule #1 never answer questions. Reserve your right to remain silent and ask for an attorney. If you remove the device and leave it somewhere... Don't tell anyone. They can't prove you did it unless they get you on video or something.
even if they got you on video, you just say "I found a suspicious object on my vehicle, I removed it." Have fun watching them try to argue that civilians aren't allowed to remove unknown mysterious objects from their own property.
In my jurisdiction, there are anti-stalking laws. If I attached such a device to my former lover's or a public figure's car without their consent, I would, quite rightly, be prosecuted. I would call that law "exhibit A" against the assertion that we have no expectation of privacy in a public place.
well i doubt you'd have a warrant to attach it to your lover car ;) it's a device and it has it's usage, nothing abnormal there, the real issue seem to be how easy getting that warrant seem to be
@@Namo-xx1sz The usage of any GPS tracking device is to track YOUR OWN property. Using it to track someone else's property is misusing it and solid evidence that you are stalking or harassing.
Retired Coast Guard member here. Most folks wouldn’t have this option, and I don’t know exactly how precise these are, but if the police saw it was moving slowly but it’s six miles offshore they might be confused about why it’s there, and how to get it back.
I know what I'd do with it. Not gonna say, but it's an option most folks don't have. But I guarantee you, it'll mindfuck the shit out of whoever is monitoring that tracker.
On a calm day, a garbage Craigslist boat can be in international waters in a couple hours. Just remember to pay cash, give a false name, and take the hull number off first
What fun! It should be no trouble to drive to a different jurisdiction, contact the law enforcement there about the "recently found" device, and then let them investigate the "stalkers" that are tracking you.
I am guessing that a lot of the trackers have serial numbers and are probably only sold to the government, wouldn't be too hard to figure out who it belonged to.
Better yet, park outside a Federal courthouse, get out for a short walk, and drop your keys unlocking the door of your car. While picking up the keys, "notice" the tracker, call 911, report it as a suspected bomb somebody attached to your car now parked outside a Federal courthouse. Also, in a panic, call the local news, they love this type of drama, they'll send a TV crew to report on it. Refuse to move your car, stand back and watch the shit show. Oh, don't forget to record the shit show on your phone. Share it on UA-cam.
@@holy3979 trackers are probably more accessible than you think. at the very least there are many commercial companies that use trackers to track their own vehicles. beyond that they may even be available to people that want to track their own vehicle if it gets stolen.
Simple. Box up the device. Send it to an US address that does not exist yet is as far away from you as possible such as an address you confirmed is not real in San Juan Puerto Rico. Next, include a return address that does not exist and is also incredibly far away from the first address such as gnome, Alaska. Ship it ground so it takes a good month to get to its final destination. Add a box inside the box, with postage prepaid, to a third address, and so on.
Imagine being the cops trying to make use of the tracking info they get from the device. "What the hell is he doing? He doesn't work at a UPS distribution center. What is his car doing on the runway at Atlanta International?"
Considering legend has it, Nome got its name because some official DC cartographer misread a notation 'Name?' because another cartographer left it off, Gnome is just as legit. I'm writing it as Gnome from now on. 😂
Call your attorney because it means the government thinks you are doing something illegal. If they are right, you're in deep dodo and need help. If they are wrong, you're still in deep dodo and need a lawyer to shake them off.
Disable the tracker and say that it belongs to you because the car is your property? What’s the difference between a tracker or any other components? They’re all just installed on the frame
@@JebusHypocristosXfunny you say that… I knew a guy that was on my fleet division in the company I signed onto. We loved outdoing each other in a friendly game of who was better. He gives me a call one day, “Julie gave me a call while I was in the middle of Lake Michigan!” He took the ferry between Green Bay and a place close to Grand Rapids, Michigan. >>downright evil, conniving grin
If you find a tracker, put it in your back seat and drive to a convenience store. Buy some aluminum foil. Then drive to a public park and wrap the tracker in ALL the aluminum foil. Then put it in a plastic store bag, walk it over to the trash can, and make a deposit. This way, it goes offline at a location that's NOT your house and never comes back online. Go home, clean house, and never talk about the tracker to anyone, ever. Bear in mind that you will know they have NO evidence the tracker is in your house and wasn't when it went offline. Trackers aren't free, and the more the police lose, the less inclined they'll be to use them on a regular Joe.
Don't incriminate yourself by saying you know the tracking device cannot be in your house because you wrapped it in foil somewhere else. I would say, if you find it just drop it while driving somewhere. Wear gloves so there are no fingerprints except of those that planted it and forget about it, but keep checking your vehicle for trackers... which is near impossible these days really because they can be tiny and disguised as part of the car. The other option would be to report it to the police and hand it over and let them either admit it is theirs or having them try to track down who put it there if it was a private eye or a stalker.
The bad news is, police very seldom use car trackers any more. Once they had to go to the trouble of getting a warrant to put one on and monitor, it, then it really became not that much more trouble to just get a court order to track your phone. That was true when I retired years ago. It's probably more true now.
I read an article a few weeks ago. Honda was voluntarily handing over all data collected from owners phones while connected to the Bluetooth system. No warrant no nothing. Makes you wonder if all car manufacturers do the same or will.
@@jonbottoms8988 They do. The GM OnStar has had lots of bad press for this. Their people have even been known to listen in on people just for fun. I bought a car that had OnStar and the first thing I did was pull the fuse for it. I didn't drive it much and I didn't want the battery to drain. A week later I had a letter from GM letting me know my OnStar wasn't working and to go to the nearest dealer to get it fixed. The car wasn't even registered in my name yet (bank was having issues getting the money to the dealer) but they knew who to send it to.
@@jonbottoms8988 Your data was never under lock and key, if the police requests your data from basically any company 9 times out of 10 they will hand it over
@@jayden7945 Yeah there was a gun safe company a few months ago that handed over the combinations of some of their customers safes to the cops without any resistance. Also Ring cameras and similar services are more than happy to hand over your videos and give the cops live access to your cameras. Plenty of companies that don't give a shit about their customer's privacy
How do you think the FBI got all that location data on the January 6 protesters to see who went into the Capitol? That guy who did 2000 Mules, did the same thing, because you can buy that data as a private citizen as well.
Found a police GPS tracker on my car a long time ago. Went and attached it on an inter-city bus. Nothing happened from it but it always brought a smile on my face thinking how some people must have been sitting, looking at the screen and thinking WTF is happening.
Most of these trackers don't transmit live data, they passively record GPS, and then must be retrieved later to have the trail downloaded from it. The owners probably never knew where it went and would have simply just never seen it again.
@@actuallyrat Much in the same way the cops knew where to place it. If they have a suspect in mind, know his vehicle, know his house, know some of his routine, it isn't hard to retrieve the GPS unit.
I'm guessing: If you own the vehicle, you're free to un-install any foreign objects or hardware if there's no paperwork for it to be there, no repercussion. It's your vehicle after all.
@@davidschneider2258 I can see that being true. But maybe there is some degree of understanding if the object is visibly foreign, gets removed and the owner of the vehicle has no criminal record. I would hope at least. I have never been in this situation.
Never admit to placing the device on another vehicle, like a semi truck. Never admit to finding it. They will have to prove that you did. Also never place one of these things on a Long Haul truck if there are cameras about. Never stop at an isolated rest stop or scenic view, in the middle of the night while traveling. where there are usually no cameras.
Best would be in you knew a trucker who was cool, and good with taking it for a ride, all while later claiming he knew nothing about it, of course. If you get accused of removing the tracker, say 'What tracker? WTF are you talking about? Did you put a tracker on my car!?!
@@muzzlevelocity4397 The amount of plausible deniability the car owner has is through the roof! "Oh yeah, I found this thing I thought was a bomb stuck to my car so I reported it to the ATF"
I put the tracker my mechanic found in the hands of a cross country truck driver who passed it over to a CXS Engineer who attached it to a tanker that routinely moved up and down to East coat oil refineries.
There was an issue in my hometown where the local police was going to bars and writing on people's tires with a grease pencil with the time, and when the person left the bar and was pulled over, they could tell how long the person was at the bar. The public outrage caused them to quit it.
There was a supreme court ruling on this issue (it was about marking tires of parked cars to issue tickets for being parked more than 24 hours, or whatever). The courts declared the tire marks to be an unreasonable search.
When I first moved to TX I was warned the TABC used to do this. They'd get you for DUI and fine the bar and bartender for overserving. Got in the habit of checking my tires after I left a bar or restaurant.
If I was in a jury for someone accused of throwing away a tracker, they certainly would not get a guilty verdict from me 'legal or not' or search warrant or not.
Where I used to work, a local attorney's car was bombed by an upset opposing party. I'd be likely to take my car into that jurisdiction and report that I just found a suspicious device attached to my car...
The dealership I worked out found a tracking device on a vehicle that was getting repaired. The owner told the mechanics to get it off if possible and we waited to see who would come get it…..no one ever did, likely because it was placed illegally and they didn’t want it publicly known who placed it there or who was tracking the driver.
In my country a wrongly delivered thing to your address needs to be stored for some time in case the one who wrongly sent it to you want it back. So i see different possibilities here. 1. you leave it in place 2. you remove it and keep it in your house 3. you never saw it and it must have fallen off by itself at some random place on a road. possibly on a road trip to a far far away national park or such.
Might " accidentally " fall off and attach itself to a sea can shipping container on a stack train passing through town. Ends up on one of the coasts at minimum and at best whoever put it on is wondering what you're doing in China.
The USPS installed trackers on their freight elevators at one of their large mail sorting plants where I repaired and maintained the elevators. There were six large freights in all. I happened to be on top of one of those units doing some work when I came across a tracker not much bigger than a pack of cigarettes' mounted to an 6" piece of 2x4. It seems they were monitoring the elevator operators (who I became friends with since I was always there fixing the elevators) to see how many trips they were taking. I told the operators about it and gave them the devices. They stuck them into shipping containers headed out of state. A month or so later one of the supervisors asked me if I had seen the devices. I played dumb and asked him what devices? When he confessed to me what they were, I told him that I hadn't, but I did have an apprentice with me that I had clean off the tops of the elevators and he probably threw them out.
@@Crasshole Found this with a quick search: [ There are two main methods to measure elevation with GPS: absolute and relative. Absolute elevation is the height above a reference level, such as mean sea level or an ellipsoid model of the Earth. Relative elevation is the height difference between two or more points. To measure absolute elevation, you need a GPS receiver that can receive signals from two different frequencies, L1 and L2, which are affected differently by the atmosphere. By comparing the signals, you can correct for the atmospheric errors and get a more accurate elevation. To measure relative elevation, you need two or more GPS receivers that can communicate with each other and calculate the height difference between them. This method is less affected by the atmosphere, but more sensitive to the distance and alignment between the receivers. ]
@@Isaacrl67 In other words, normal GPS trackers that only SEND OUT one positional horizontal pinpoint location (at a time), could ONLY provide a record of "relative horizontal movements between two map co-ordinates", & thus couldn't possibly alert to vertical movements of any sort, (especially of fixed position, vertical lift elevators)
@@QUIX4U 😅 my question was meant to be kind of a joke. Calling BS on this lil story. I knew the answer. My statement was more to create a question in other people's minds. Get someone thinking, Do some research, create some critical thought, then determine for themselves if this story has merit or not. "A" GPS tracker can't measure a vertical line. An altimeter attached to a recording device can. The device would need to measure both elevation and frequency to measure the data desired by the building owner. Many modern elevators already have systems installed to measure how often an elevator is used, on which floors, weight of each load, etc. A GPS tracker is unnecessary.
So... this is what an acquaintance of mine did with one of these a few years ago: He's a motorhead so he's constantly doing both cosmetic and performance mods on all three of his cars. One day, he was putting his car through a voluntary road safety inspection (I believe the concern at the time was emissions) after a particular mod. One of the employees aproached him and told him to look under his car when he went back home (wink, nudge, etc). He does so and he finds the tracking device. He knew the exact date of the last time he had been under his car before that inspection so he puts two and two together and figures out when and where the cops had planted that tracker; the parking garage of a huge shopping center. Turns out there are several businesses operating from that particular parking garage such as vehicle cleaning services, car rental companies, etc. My man then proceeds to go back to that shopping center, parks his car in the same garage and goes for a walk. Soon enough, he finds an unattended car with a water company livery that was at the queue for a car cleaning service. He takes the tracker and puts it on that car. Weeks later, some cops show up at his apartment asking about the tracker, stating they knew he had removed it. The guy plays dumb while covertly recording the whole interaction. Several lawsuits and counter-lawsuits ensued over some technicalities about the investigation. In the end, my guy settled out of court for an ungodly amount of money because the law enforcement agency had been... "accidentally neglecting"... some bureaucratic steps in almost every instance in which they deployed those tracker for years at that point, and letting that shit go to court would screw up a bunch of cases that were on trial at the time. He never learned what ended up happening to the tracker in question, though, which is a shame. But wait, there's more... That agency ended up getting nuked by a series of lawsuits from the Ministry of Justice for falsifying paperwork because they'd gone and back-dated the paperwork they had been skipping for a bunch of ongoing investigations. Good times... just not for those cops.
Hey, anything on my car that I didn't put there will be dealt with the same as a flyer on my windshield. You wanna track me? Use my fucking phone. I know damn well these fucks can.
So if I put an unknown device on a police car, can I take them to court for tampering with it? Could I take them to court over the property being stolen? No, I'd be in prison for terroristic activity. That's what they would call it, and that is what I am calling it.
I had a buddy who was under investigation for narcotics….we found a tracker on his car…..so we took it off and put it onto a GoBus, it went to near by cities and back everyday. They didn’t bring it up after they arrested him. We had proof since we recorded what we did with the tracker once we found it. I’d love to have seen them “tracking” a bus route over and over again 😂 (ps my friend had a charges dropped because the police broke policy a bunch of times)
As someone who caught the police placing a gps tracker on their vehicle I can say whole heartedly that despite the Supreme Court decision against them doing it without a warrant they continue to do so and will use whatever stupid insane reason they can pull out of their ass to justify it (their reasoning in my case was since my last name was one letter off from being the last name of a man who skipped court while out on bail meant that we were obviously related and I was clearly aiding and abetting him in avoiding the law and if they placed a tracker on my car I would eventually slip up and lead them to his location turns out he was in the hospital with severe pneumonia)
You can't fault the police for putting a tracker on your car. They're lazy just like everybody else. Plus, all you need to be a cop is a high school diploma. There are smart cops. There are also average cops. And a few a bit less than average invariably sneak in to the job. It takes a spectrum of types to make up a good force, and edges of that spectrum, well....
@@salvadormonella8953 given the Alaska police force has an max IQ limit of 93 to become a police officer I feel like your argument is invalid maybe its not the case in the rest of the US but up here they're all idiots
@@salvadormonella8953 Actually, there are no smart cops. The second US circuit court of appeals ruled that it was legal for police departments to reject applicants who scored too high on intelligence tests. (Jordan v. City of New London, 2000)
@@MisterCellaneous I didn't know that. That explains A LOT. Although, realistically, when I say there are "smart" cops, that's pretty subjective, and what's smart to one person may be stupid to another. IMO, for someone to be objectively "smart," they should possess an IQ of 130 points or higher. I don't want to disparage anyone's intelligence. Everybody wants to be smart, but God hasn't seen fit to bestow good brain-power on everyone, and so if you've got it, be thankful it has been bestowed upon you. That's how I look at it. Otherwise, everyday is totally frustrating as everybody lurches from failure to failure, failure caused by their own lack of cognition (or experience, or education, or awareness, but usually smarts).
Take it to the Feds and ask to ID it and find if there's a warrant that allows it. If no warrant, ask the Feds to arrest the owners: "Call the cops on the cops".
Nope. If the police need to put a tracker on your vehicle for some reason, the burden is on them to communicate to you through the warrant that they can legally put it there. The entire purpose of the warrant system is to keep the police in check and preserve the rights of citizens.
Idc, if I find a tracker on something I paid for, and got something I didn't ask for, or want, it's outta there. They ask for what they want, and I don't know what they are talking about. That's how that goes. If they try to sue, I'll counter sue for invasion of privacy.
When cops used radar guns to detect speeders on the road, there was plenty of resistance from the government when ordinary citizens began to use detection devices in order to thwart police actions. I wonder how much resistance the government will enact when ordinary citizens begin using detectors to find the police's and fed's tracking devices? Will make for an interesting video.
You’re going to find that these tracking devices are disappearing. Simply put, the police can achieve far better results by tracking your phone, your tablet, the AirTag you put on your wallet, or keys, or any other digital device you own that has a capacity similar to “find my iPhone.” Not only will this typically tell them where your car is, most people keep their phone on them, so they can see where you are to within a few feet. It also possibly gives them evidence of premeditation, since they’ll be able to tell when you have left your phone behind, and will claim you did so to avoid tracking. Not only that but they don’t need to be actively monitoring you. The cell network will maintain historical records of the places and times you have visited.
If you are lucky enough to find one of these, head to the local truck stop and look for trailers that have an out of state plate. The farther away the better. If you are really really lucky you'll find one with a canadian plate. All canadian trucks MUST return to their home base after delivering their load and picking one up. Can you imagine how much fun it would be not only crossing multiple state lines but then an international border. I can only imagine the paperwork that would be generated.
@@tricitymorte1 The days of crawling under a trailer are long dead and gone. If you get pulled in at a scale for a gov. inspection then yes there is a chance but other than that I have watched guys miss flat tires on their inspection. Quick light and tire check and we gone. Also some company's put gps on their trailers in case they get stolen. Pallets have gps on them to track loads. So even if spotted whoever wouldn't even give it a second thought.
A buddy of mine had one on his vehicle. We had a mutual friend who put it at the top of a 200ft radio tower. It had a great range after that. It took whoever put it on the vehicle weeks to realize it was up in the air and not on the ground. Needless to say, his organization was not amused.
IMHO if I found a suspicious device attached to my car, I wouldn't do anything. However, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Hawaiian Menehunes had relocated the device to a convenient long-haul truck or railroad car, without my knowledge. Those pesky Menehunes are known for doing such things without asking. I certainly wouldn't want to be suspected of damaging police property.
Thats gonna backfire spectacularly when someone with a security clearance or a military type goes on a base and the sentry notices the device when they try to enter.
Unless you are going on to a base during a period of heightened security it is unlikely they would ever find such a device. Even then the odds are even they wouldn't spot it.
@MoreBollocks-ui2zs oh, I'd say that depends on which base, what RAM's are active, and what protection level is required for the assets... But I can definitely see many scenarios where it wouldn't be picked up reliably...
@@ryokkeno You'd like to believe that were the case but that hasn't ben the reality for some time. If you've seen a non-commercial vehicle having the mirrors run under it in the last 5 years that's an outlier rather than the norm.
I’ve found 2 police trackers under my car. Once when I was sitting in the car smoking a joint in my parking pad, they didn’t know me and my buddy were in the car. Creeped up and put it under the hood section of the car. When they left I promptly put it under my neighbours car. The second time I found it, I put it on a cop car, the cop was in a tim Hortons at the time lol Both times I never heard a peep about it from the courts or the cops. Told my lawyer about it and he just looked at me like a dog would a sound he doesn’t know hahahaha
would have layed on the horn as they were trying to attach the tracker. yelling "WHY THE F ARE YOU ATTACHING A BOMB TO MY CAR." holding up your phone "im streaming this live.."
If someone put a tracker on my vehicle and asked for it back I'd just say, "You gave it to me, it's my property now." I think that's something you could reasonably argue in court.
Friend of mine was going through a divorce. He found a tracking device on his car. There were no markings on the device, no ownership labels, etc. It had also rubbed some wiring and did damage to his car. We fixed the wiring and tossed the tracker in 😮the trash. It either attached itself to garbage equipment at the tranfer station, or was transported out of state to a landfill in Oregon. He did not hear anything about it.
The most chaotic choice might be to remove it from the car and then abandon it at an airport. Assuming it gets reported as a suspicious abandoned item (and isn't simply stolen by a random person), they would have to investigate it like it's a potential bomb. Obviously that would be bad, because it could cause a lot of people to miss their flights (so it shouldn't actually be done); but, prompting the government to investigate one of their investigations would be entertaining.
problem is airports have cameras everywhere. once the panic dies down they'll go back through the cameras and figure out who left it. Even if they cant actualy charge you with anything they could try to stick you with a bill for the security responce out of spite.
I think this is an excellent way to make sure that the authorities throw the book at you as hard as they can while the public excoriates you for being the jerk who made a bunch of people miss their flights. Someone else mentioned driving to a different state and reporting it to local police as a suspicious device on your vehicle. That's ballsy, and I'm not saying I recommend it, but at least it doesn't wreak havoc at an airport, or cause any sort of harm to innocent people.
Not only do airports have cameras in the US, but we also have software that immediately identifies when a person leaves a package behind. Good plan if you want to have a bad day.
If I found a mysterious black box on my car I would not touch it, I would immediately drive someplace close like a mall, Walmart, or Home Depot parking lot that's wide and empty (for safety reasons) versus if I found it in my driveway in a residential neighborhood, and I would be calling 911 telling the police I suspect there may be a bomb attached to my vehicle, and I would call the media on top of that all about 20 minutes before the 6 o'clock news since this would be of interest to the public media if it does (not) turn out to be a bomb. Lucy would have a lot of 'splaining to do in front of the cameras.
Found one on my car when i was in my twenties, my mom was about to trade her vehicle in at a dealership out of state so the day she went to go pick up her new truck, i not only moved it to her vehicle i pulled off an interior panel behind the back seat and hid it. Her old vehicle got crushed (cash for clunkers period where they where crushing everything). A month later i had a cop ask me what i did with it, i dont know if it died before it got crushed or if they just didnt check its location. Cop said he had to cover the replacement cost of losing equipment. Family lawyer was notified the morning after i seen them under the car on camera. No warrant, they tresspassed onto the property, and the lawyer said its illegal so if they pursue anything not to worry about it. It was on my car for 3 weeks with me fully aware of it. That same police department would take laundry detergent and wipe it on license plates at local bars to catch drunk drivers, (the laundry detergent would cover the reflectiveness of plates wheb their headlights hit it
Magistrates... I really have to wonder how on earth it makes sense for someone to have the power to issue search warrants without having any legal degrees apparently?
Drive to a truck stop, find a tractor trailer idling with the curtains drawn closed. (They are on the required 10 hour sleep break) stick it under the tractor. Next thing they know, you're on I-70 West headed towards Colorado. You can stick it under the trailer. It will be much harder to find, but sometimes a driver will drop a loaded trailer in a secure drop lot.
My best friend is a trucker. That requirement sure is a thing... on paper. It's total bullshit. If you're not breaking that law constantly they'll fire your ass. I've been on the phone with him while his boss doctored GPS records to make it look like his truck was abiding by federal laws. All of them do that, and no they wont be punished, because it would be impossible for our nation's logistics to be met if we obayed that law.
@@MeepChangelingI really wish there was this invention that was capable of moving massive amounts of cargo efficiently What if we took a really big truck and attached A LOT of trailers to it? We could take the tires off and run the whole thing on metal tracks to reduce friction, too!
When I found a tracker on my car, I assumed (correctly) that it had been placed there by my soon-to-be ex-wife. Lord knows what she thought she would find. It obviously wasn't a police device, but a model readily available on Amazon. I later found - when the cat had knocked her glasses off the night stand and under the bed, and her lazy ass couldn't be bothered to find them herself, so she asked me to fetch them - that she actually still had the shipping box.
@@jonathanc.8424 I don't, no. She does. We hadn't slept in the same room for years at that point, and she's a total slob. We don't get roaches where I live though.
There's so many creative ways to dispose of these GPS trackers: long-haul truck, boxcar of a train, taxi cab (I think that's best), bus, cruise ship, ferry...
Cellular devices and apps are how this is often done as well. I read about the guy going for a bike ride who was tracking his ride on Runkeeper. He was arrested because a burglary took place near where he was riding. The local PD got a blanket warrant for all the cell phones within a block of that home that was burglarized and his was the only phone that popped up during that window in that area. Maybe the burglars left their phones at home. It was eventually turned around but the guy lost significant sleep and had to be cuffed and faced a lot of injustice first. Probably some major legal fees as well.
If this is the case in Winsconsin, then he also lost his job, and was on his record until the real perp was caught. Still didn't get his job back, he's currently suing for loss of wages/loss of retirement and benefits.
@@dennismayer4936 Think again. The authorities do it all the time. Blanket meta-data such as that is sold by the carriers all the time. I should know. I trained the FBI on cell phone stuff when I worked at the largest carrier in the world whose name shall remain nameless.
It is absolutely legal for me to remove a surveillance device from my vehicle that I didn't consent to and leave it where I found it. Unfortunately, people are so behind on reality, they allow the dealers and auto companies to install these beforehand. First you have to prove I took it off personally. And that someone didn't steal it.
Also - the 21st century is no time for people to remain in the dark when it comes to RF. If people purchase RF scanners, they can check their vehicles. When you consider that a PETA member had one of these on their car, it's not really n "out there" thing to do.
I found a GPS tracker under my dashboard on a minivan I bought used. It freaked me out at first, but upon further research, it looks like it was a device used for fleet vehicles and by companies that do high-risk lending and was probably left there by a previous owner. I would assume that it was buried somewhere in their loan paperwork, so they may or may not have known about it. I disposed of it, and nobody ever came looking for it.
I used to install them so deep you had to start removing the dash to get at it. What they will do is make your car not start, they will not shut the car down on the move for safety. That allows the repo truck the time and address to pick the car up. Make those payments or wonder about the voodoo used to retrieve the car for lack of payment. After the payments are over it remains as part of the car since it requires a code to turn the car off the odds of it doing so are beyond astronomical.
For anyone wondering why the police couldn't just track the device attached to a post, you should know that not all GPS trackers send information in real time via a wireless signal. Those that do are more expensive and have a much shorter battery life. In most cases, you have to retrieve the tracker in person and physically connect it to a computer in order to access what it recorded. Private investigators and local police stations usually use the cheap but long lasting devices. Federal agencies are much more likely to track you in real time.
You're so wrong. Cellphones, esp. with larger LiPo batteries. Game and Trail cams... and so on. Wireless cellphone signals, gps, wifi... even a combination in a tracker will work so well. Hell, my Drones have trackers that last 36 hrs. or so... and they are tiny.
@@eltorocal36 hours is not very long in this context. They want it to last *months*, and that would take a pretty ludicrous battery if it's a broadcaster. And there's still the expense thing, even though it's technically doable.
@@JoeHamelin Sure, but sneakily doing that is a completely different thing from sticking a magnetized box under the car and walking away. It's just not as simple, and probably a lot less legal.
If a Magistrate, with no legal knowledge, can issue a search warrant - does that actually satisfy due process? If the judicial branch is to serve as a "check and balance" to the other 2 branches - wouldn't "rubber stamping" be dereliction of duty?
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So they out a tracker on that lady's car, she stuck it to a pole, and they had to ask for it back? I mean, couldn't they TRACK it and get it themselves? 😂
Ha ha ha, You are right. Thank you for the good laugh.
That would have tracked it to the canal.
I would have stuck it to a policecar.
You think these morons are competent????
😂😂😂
You made me laugh to tears. Thanks.
It wasn't a very good tracker was it?
If the police claim there is no expectation of privacy and cars are on public roads then can’t civilians make the same argument for putting trackers on their cars ?
It’s just some nonsense these police departments argue to try and get around our individual rights. The fact is, these police have no business putting anything on our private property regardless of what they think is going on or what some judge has to say. If they think illegal activity is going on then come up with some evidence the normal way and make an arrest.
No because enforcement officers are above the law.
@@twentyfifthdui4717 What if I want to put my own tracker on my own car?
@@Metqa tracking your own property is fine. You can even put it on your dogs or cats. You can even track your wife's car or whatever but the way for that morally is consent. Without consent it breeds distrust.
Cops very much believe in rules for thee but not for me.
"Stolen"? You GAVE it to me. It was a gift.
Exactly.
That's like them saying the $50 bill they slipped into my pocket is theirs somehow.
Technically not. To qualify as a gift, it requires, (1) the person to intend to give ownership, (2) physical transfer of the property, and (3) acceptance from the recipient. They had no intention of giving ownership of the tracker to the target, and he had no ability to accept.
Well, you found it. That doesn’t make it a gift. “Possession of lost or mislaid property.”
@@finris1 Do they have a contract that requires me to take care of their property?
@@Blue2366 It is not lost and it is not mislaid.
They directly have lain it in my car... for me.
Ridiculous. If it's not labeled property of law enforcement, there is no reason to not believe it was some criminal tracking you.
...it IS criminals tracking you. jsut with badges
@thecursed01 i just mean they have no probable cause to call it theft.
You’re right. Not to mention, even if it is labeled “property of law enforcement” you have no way of knowing if that’s legit. Crazy stalkers are just as capable of writing or putting stickers on things as cops are. .
@ColdWintersDay-gh9rr true, but the police can at least make the argument it was labeled, successful, or not.
There are some really controlling dudes who put trackers on their wife/ex-wife's car, or even sew monitoring devices into stuffed animals they give their kids. There are a lot of nefarious actors out there who use these things, not just law enforcement who are subject to some sort of oversight. If you find one of these things on your vehicle, it is totally reasonable for you to believe that you are the victim of a crime. That being the case, remove the device, and take it to the nearest police station, and file a report for stalking and harassment.
My ex was dating a guy who fancied himself a private investigator. He put a tracker on my car. Not sure how long it was there, but I moved it to the underside of a long haul truck at a Loves truck stop. I came home from work about a week later to find them in my house going through my papers in my safe. They were both arrested. Seems they had put that tracker on my car to wait for me to be gone. Probably confused the shit out of them when it showed I was half way across the country but I showed up.🤣
How in the heck did they get into your safe? I know you're just a machinist mate, but even you guys gotta understand security. XD
@@Sigurtherbecause no one has ever been able to open someone else’s safe
@@Sigurther Ex probably knew to combo.
@shadowprince4482 or it was cleverly set to something unguessable - like 6-6-6
@@SigurtherMost safes kinda suck honestly. If you get a $300-400 Walmart google and twenty minutes or less of work will get it open. Less if you've got a decent power drill. Security measures like that are only to A) stall and B) make it more work so more people will decide it's not worth it. There's not a safe in the world that will keep out a determined thief on its own.
While I agree that a lost GPS tracker should NOT be grounds for a search warrant that guy who took the tracker off and put it inside his meth house was clearly an idiot. 🤦
Very true! But what else would you expect. They are idiots or they wouldn’t have a meth lab!
If they will illegally use a tracking device and get an illegal search warrant. What would keep them from planting drugs in your house?
yep. the thing to do is stick it on your neighbor's car, the cops won't notice the difference.
Undeniably.
First thought that came to my mind. They would track it right to his house.
IMO, if an unknown object on your property has nothing on it to indicate who owns it, the owner didn't do due diligence, and it should be considered abandoned.
I'd turn around and try to sell it.
Federal law says that anything that arrives in the mail, that you did not request, is your property. You may keep it or dispose of it any way you wish. That same principle should apply to police trackers.
not my keys not my wallet is not supposed to be a police policy lol
Due diligence about what, pray tell? The law/legality?
@@SoccerPhoto The only diligence that's due is whether there's a camera on or attached to the device, because, if not, they'll never know how it came off at night in the middle of a very busy highway. And they won't be able to figure out where it went or how it got to the place of it's demise because it was accompanied there by a signal jamming device.
1 Wear gloves
2 Remove device
3 Place device on OTR tractor trailer
4 When police inquire, ask them "What tracker?"
5 If they present a warrant, demand they present the warrant for placement of the tracker.
You act like that's going to be an issue for them
@mattb8754 You're right. Wtf was i thinking? Rules for us not for them.
lol I wrapped it it static shield... so no signinals couls be transmited from it.......I just said it was broken :-)
So much effort is needed to protect the population from law enforcement. It seems to be getting worse.
Truth.
It is.
We are well on our way to the "star trek cannon" sanctuary zones.
@@tenkaiechi01They put their real intentions in movies, books, music, and games. Then when people people realize it and call them out in it, they claim those people are nuts and have been watching too much television or playing too many video games to make said person/people seem crazy. You mentioned the “sanctuary zones” That sounds like the 15 minute cities that they want here in America. Could you imagine a world where there a 15 minute cities that a barricaded off much like in say the Twisted Metal show. There would still be people outside the cities, but they’d be the desperate and dangerous ones. Sure, they may not have weapons attached to cars, but it could be a bad scenario nonetheless. Mad Max and The Postman would be other similar type movies. Not saying this WILL happen, but kinda makes a person wonder sometimes. Hell, they could keep people in the “sanctuary cities” with those DEWs they used in Hawaii. Wouldn’t that be some crap. Everywhere outside the cities just burned down to nothing, making it practically impossible for people to hunt and survive
I had a tracker put on my vehicle before .
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Had a friend in the Army who found 1 on his truck, he sold the truck and bought something else, the dealership pulled it off and called the State Police. Local Police tried to arrest him and he said what are you talking about. He was on post and the Locals put out a warrant for his arrest. State Police retuned the favor, and arrested the Cop who put it on the truck. Then the Feds got involved as he was living on Post and tracking military personal on active duty is considered spying.
Oh, what a tangled web . . .
Just like in the McCarthy era, it often takes the army to stand up to tyrannical governments. Ironic when you think about it when in most places, they are the biggest threat to democracy.
This was an instance where the "Good Idea Fairy" abused Citizen's Constitutional Rights. Horrible...
Any write ups about this or videos?
I find this story fascinating, and would love to read more.
I am going to call "this didn't happen"
How would you even know it was a police tracker? it could be from a stalker or killer or other hostile agent, so it has to be removed for your safety.
call the fire department. that thing looks like a bomb with remote detonator.
You throw it away and never say a word. Shh.... Or put it on a cop car...
Exactly. This guys an idiot
If i found a random tracker on my car, how would i know whos it was, and without a warrant, its none of a cops business where i go anyways
Just don´t mix the 2, saying you thought it was a bomb and so you put it on a police car might get you into deep doo doo
@@marioncobretti7870 You find out who planted it, and you go search their homes. When cops wanna play... PLAY.
If I find a police tracker on my car, that tracker is mine now. It's being opened, taken apart, and the parts are being used in other GPS projects of mine. Thanks for the free stuff, guys.
What a friend of mine who worked with emergency services dispatch commented about for dealing with the trackers is that there are a LOT of ways people can use them to screw with the police.
The one that caused the most problems was crossing into another state and acting paranoid about an unusual device you found stuck to your car to the local police in that area.
With that one, the person with the device attached may or may not have known what it was, but told the local cops he noticed it after remembering a story about car bombs and then noticed something unusual on the car.
Their bomb squad showed up, removed and "disabled" the device, then, in the investigation, followed the serial number and sent the bill for it to the cops who put it on the car and a large interstate issue that came down on them for it.
Nice! I would 'tack' it onto an outbound train, at the nearest rail yard! 😅
@@EugeneSSmith or a boat
I would throw in the river.
That is brilliant 🤣
Keeping this in mind just in case.
Being physically observed in public, is completely different than being digitally tracked by a device in public
You'd better throw your mobile phone away then
Some cities have law enforcement cameras everywhere that capture license plates and track their movements. Not saying it's a bad thing, they recently captured a gang member who shot and killed a small child in road rage incident in Lancaster, CA this way.
@@jerradwilsonyea but what will they do to stop gangs from forming? Nothing…
@@thepatriot6966 The point is in the public sphere your going to be seen by people on the outside but in the private sphere you shouldn't be seen without your permission.
Yes your device does give data to some extent but you want to know the difference? Your phone is a device that benefits you and you have ALOT of freedom on where and how that data is sent, with a tracker its data is being sent to the one who placed it you have no agency on that department if you dont know its there.
Its not so much about the data being there, its about the AGENCY you have in that data.
@@ml-fishing1341 It doesn't stop any social gathering because that's not what cameras are designed to do there designed for criminal dissuasion in places where people are often going to be by showing if you do this your going to be caught after the fact which makes them an example to not do that in front of one where people are most likely going to be it creates a safer area for people to travel. A gang can be any social group as a gang can be formed and have it not be illegal until it becomes illegal so what your requesting is realistically impossible regardless of the security measure because your asking a measure to catch something BEFORE it happens when passive measures can only catch something AS its happening.
Some insurance companies involved with disability and workers compensation cases have used GPS trackers for evidence in court cases. A friend who was involved in a disability case found one on his car. He took it to a railroad freight yard and put it on a random container. The tracker went across country by train, truck, ship and back to truck before the trial date. The insurance lawyer attempted to claim he drove his car ~5000 miles and was lying when he said he couldn't sit or drive longer than 30 minutes. When questioned how they came across this information, they admitted to the illegal tracker and the judge ruled against the insurance company, even awarding additional compensation to my friend.
Just because the car drives longer than 30 minutes doesn't mean the disabled person was driving. Obviously someone else could drive the disabled person somewhere because they CAN'T DRIVE FOR MORE THAN 30 MINUTES. Even if this disabled person did drive for more than 30 minutes, one car trip over 30 minutes doesn't nullify their contention. Maybe they were having a VERY good day! Maybe in order to drive those more than 30 minutes they had to take an unsafe amount of prescription pills just to get through that half hour. That insurance company sounds stupid, and lazy.
@@salvadormonella8953 Yep, it was that friend the one claiming he can not drive for more than 30 minutes, not his car.
@@brys555 Most people, including insurance adjusters, are only of average intelligence. It sounds like this adjuster was maybe a couple of ticks below average. Don't let these insurance fiends bully you. I worked as an insurance claim adjudicator for seven years. I know how many of these adjusters think. They look for reasons to deny claims, rather than reasons to approve them. I was the latter. It wasn't my money. Instead of trying to deny claims, I tried to pay them. If it wasn't specifically excluded as a covered item, I paid the claim. People suffer enough. Making them pay for some of these expenses can be the straw that sends them into a downward spiral from which they never recover. You'd think seven years of doing that would have earned me some karma bonus points, but I haven't felt those bonus points much yet....
Saving this
@@salvadormonella8953 then thank you for not being one of those pieces of shit, and helping the average Joe/Jane.
We found one on an employees car. A PI labeled with his name and phone number and asked for it to be returned if found. The Police investigated and informed the employee that the PI was hired to catch her husband with another man’s wife. Her husband would use her car when he had a rendezvous planned. She divorced her prominent Doctor husband.
My question is "How do you know it's a police tracker?" It could belong to anybody.
You don't, and it could.
Exactly. Given that YOU are responsible for the safety and security of yourself, your family, and anyone who happens to be your passenger, and no police officer is going to request permission to track you, You pretty much have a duty to get rid of an anonymous stalker's tracking device in the most misleading way possible.
But don't worry. Now days they can track you in any number of ways. Now the auto manufacturer may have already installed a tracking device law enforcement might gain access to, and nearly every phone on the market is directly or indirectly a tracking device with varying levels of accuracy. Heck, even a smart TV and other appliances and utilities include ways of tracking or otherwise stalking you. Corporations do it all the time, and they never obtain a warrant to do so.
Comforting?
Depends on if it says "Property of the PD, please return if found".
This is the problem. Anyone can right , property of PD . In these days, people posing as police are robbing people. @@daexion
My question is, does it make a difference who is tracking you?
You're like: police/fbi 👎
Drug cartel 👍
Private investigator hired by your ex 👍👍🤓
"Judge, we think this guy stole our tracker!"
"Why do you think that?"
"Well, we put it on his vehicle and now it's not working anymore."
"... Wait... YOU put the tracker on HIS vehicle and now you're claiming HE stole it from you? You're the ones putting it on HIS property. If he found it there, it's YOUR fault it's missing."
How that hearing should have gone.
Can't steal what people gave to you.
Yep
At that point it falls under gifting law
it will be even more stupid to take a police tracker.
Yeah that is sooo dumb:):)
I actually watched one officer put one on my car. So I drive over the the police station and drop it off at the front desk. Police is fuming. Judge said "You put it there, he returned it. As far as I am concerned he returned your property... that said... is there anyone that can produce that search warrant needed to put the tracker on it in the first place because I don't have a copy."
My lawyer perked up and the judge said "Hold it, save that for the clerk, separate case there"
AND WITH ALL SEARCH WARRANTS, A COPY MUST BE GIVEN TO YOU, TO MAKE IT LEGAL, UNDER THE U.S. CONSTITUTION, DURING THE SERVING OF SAID WARRANT. SO ANYWAYS YOU'RE SCREWED. THE BEST WAY I EVER SAW A TRACKER AND COPS FUCK WITH, WAS ON MY UNCLE'S CAR THEY FOUND ONE, NOT THAT LONG THERE BY THEIR TECH GUYS LOOKING AT IT??? WELL, THEY SET UP THIS STREET FOR ABOUT EIGHT BLOCK FROM THIS ONE POINT ON THE STREET IN BOTH WAYS. SO, WHEN THE TRACKER GOES ON THE STREET/ IT JAMED. SO, THEY DRIVE THE 7 BLOCKS DOWN THIS STREET WHERE THE PO-PO DOES NOT KNOW? AND RIGHT INTO A CRUSHER IN A JUNKYARD 8 MINUTES LATER THE THREE-TON CAR IS A BLOCK 2.5 FEET BY 2.0 FEET BY 3.0 FEET TALL? YOU GET THE PICTURE. TO TOP IT ALL OFF HE HAD THE CAR BLOCK DELIVERED TO THE FRONT OF THE POLICE STATION, THREE NIGHTS LATER....THINK THEY GOT THE MESSAGE BUT THAT WAS THE CLASS WAY TO DO IT..HE RETURNED THERE PROPERTY!?!...LMAO.
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@@AT-fz2tvRANDOM QUESTION MARKS ARE COOLER?
Very real story that definitely happened.
@@brucesweatman2146 CAPSLOCK MEANS EVERYTHING SAID IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE
This is good to hear, watching this reminded me of when my parents and I watched No country for old men in 2007 and dad told me, if I ever find a bag of money, check for a tracker!
How I think it should be: If there's a tracker placed on your vehicle and you neither consented nor were you previously given a court order to have it on your vehicle, then that tracker is now yours to do with as you please and the police have forfeited all rights related to it. :3
Your Honor, I thought they hid a gift, like the police were working with Santa AND the Easter Bunny.
Oh no. The police will go to the court and with the cooperation of an impartial judge who will find you guilty of something they conjure up and will fine you ten times the value of the device plus the exhorbitant cost of the police investigation, sentence you to 6 months in jail and put a lien on any property that you own until they feel like they have applied the obscure law that was passed in the year 1867 regarding farm implements stolen during the civil war and which were used to produce food for the US Army before they were stolen. Justice will have been served and all will be right with the world. That's the legal system is the ole US of A. Flusche is right. NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE. EVER.
What tracker? It would be on its way around the world on a cargo ship. They have to prove YOU found their tracker and it didn't just fall off or get taken by somebody else.
Search warrants are (initially, at least) sealed though, you wouldn’t know if the courts granted one. That would defeat the whole point of issuing a search warrant.
@@JebusHypocristosXmy guess is that it was on your vehicle so it's your responsibility.
My truck is my personal private property, and falls under the same protections as my home. Until the police pay for my vehicles, they aren't allowed to attach things to them. Period.
Agreed
Good luck with that
I totally agree.
Clearly you are not an attorney, a vehicle especially when in public does not have anywhere near the same legal protection as a home. Who told you this? They are wrong, period.
I think it's just so precious you think saying period has any bearing on the reality of the situation. They are the police, they are allowed to put that on your car, now if it's legally admissible evidence or even grounds to sue them that is complicated but in general yes the police can put a track on your car if they have a warrant it's their unquestioned legal right.
You think just because you bought something in America you're allowed to enjoy it? In this day and age and you're still so naive? Come on kid.
I understand, but a search warrant is a search warrant. That means they are allowed to do that, just like they are allowed to enter your house with a search warrant and confiscate your private property. I think the best thing to do is just remove the tracking device and throw it away, claiming ignorance as to what it was.
Magistrates will issue not only search warrants but also arrest warrants when the facts do not even begin to meet the statutory requirements. These people are grossly incompetent and should not have any authority whatsoever.
“Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight, that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced, or objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”
Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand
“The question isn’t who is going to let me; it’s who is going to stop me.” - Ayn Rand
In a lot of places, the position of magistrate exists solely to provide a rubber stamp for LEOs seeking warrants.
agreed magistrates are just glorified assistant judges who perform busywork, they should have 0 power to issue any warrants of any kind
@@tomogden2432 Pretty much everywhere.
Thankfully, most states don't have magistrates with that power. That said, it'd be nice if Congress were to restrict the power to sign warrants solely to judges.
I would do this: 1) Google the mailing address for a small police station in Tibet. 2) Go to the UPS store and order a large, overnight delivery box for electronics. 3) Mail it! 4) Mail the receipt and a letter stating why I am peeved to the state Attorney General. They will pass the info along to the relevant police agency. They will have to reach out to their colleagues on the other side of the globe to get it back!
I know you’re just a child, but that’s not how it works.
@@KayhoticGamesWhy not? looks like a plan
If the tracker is unmarked it could be from someone who means you harm. If it is from the police consider it a gift to do with as you please.
If you do deal in drugs go to an abandoned building for 15-20 minutes then park at mayors house chief of police and 2 city council members for 5-10 minutes each.
Oooo, nefarious! Perfect
You forgot the anonymous call to the DEA about the corrupt cops dealing drugs, extortion, prostitution,illegal gambling. Just wait for the swat team and guys in blue windbreakers,they hate competition.
Brilliant!
That... is fucking hilarious!
I was personally going to call the bomb squad, but your idea is sooo much more fun!
If it’s the property of the police, it is certainly someone who means you harm.
I had one on my car once. Why? I was an Amway distributor that sponsored someone into my downline that was associated with the Montana Freemen. The FBI thought that because I was holding meetings, wearing a suit, and had observed me going into and out of a John Birch bookstore (where one of my downline worked) I was somehow associated with their "patriot" movement. I ended up placing the tracker on a patrol car parked at a wal-mart.
Several months later, just before the big stand-off, I had US Marshalls take me into custody and questioned me about a number of things. Of course, I knew my rights, and all they got from me was my name, dob, address and blank stares until my attorney arrived.
Nothing happened to me; it was fun to watch their faces as my attorney had me spend an hour showing them the Amway plan and how downlines worked LOL.
Amway? Amway has always been a racket, are you sure it wasn't put on your car because of Amway?
I think your solution is pretty funny, but I want to let anyone else reading this know that Amway is a multi-level marketing scam that will leave you broke-ass if you get involved, stuck with a basement full of products nobody wants, and all of your friends and family mad at you for pestering them to buy that sh*t. Also, Amway is owned by and enriches the DeVoss family, a bunch of right-wing fundamentalist Christian fanatic billionaires who are trying to destroy public education in this country (remember Trump's Education Secretary Betsy D.), among other right-wing f*ckery.
Did you make a sale?🤔
@@dangerousliberty Is a can of Amway Shoe Spray still the gift for sitting through the pitch?
ARE YOU STILL SELLING AMWAY PRODUCTS ?
What if you happened to park next to a police car somewhere, and somehow, the tracker fell off of your vehicle and accidentally got attached to the police car?
That could happen. It fell off yours, bounced and got stuck on theirs.
What if you are driving past a rail yard and put the tracker on a train car?
To be clear, *it's a really bad idea* to try deliberately "making" this happen (by actually moving the device to a patrol car yourself). If you are caught, you can be charged with tampering with a police vehicle, which can get you in a _lot_ of hot water very quickly.
Yes, it's a double-standard, but it's still real, and you really don't want to find yourself on the wrong end of it.
@@foogod4237
That could be construed as doing your civic duty and returning it to the owner. 😊
meh a waste of time. place it in a box, concrete the box, leaving the item undamaged, and have them come pick it up. they will love that.
1:50 Alright, then it should be legal to put a tracker on every police car in the country.
They already have one :/
I wouldn't care whether the police got a warrant for it or not. If they don't show me a warrant, I can't be expected to honour it.
Does that actually work? Does a warrant have to be shown to a person in all cases?
@@guidosarducci209 I'm pretty sure it does, that's the whole point to announce an intrusion into one's privacy for the purpose of collecting evidence.
If it's on my car I am under no obligation to protect it. It will suddenly go missing. How it happened I don't know.
@@guidosarducci209 They don’t have to show a warrant in all situations. Obviously, police have to get a warrant to do a wire tap, but they aren’t going to tell the subject because that would defeat the purpose of the wire tap.
@@lmcc0072 Very true, but if they don't show it to you, you probably would not have any obligation to comply, such as keeping it where it is, as you have no knowledge of the tracker being legally put there. It could be a crazy clown murderer hoping to kill you, you don't know.
I've always wondered why putting a flyer on your car isn't considered littering. Now I'm wondering why the police putting a tracker on your car isn't also littering?
It wouldn't be littering, I think it would be more along the lines of invasion of privacy.
Not a lawyer: If someone puts a flyer on your car, they intend for you to read it, and the first amendment lets them do it. If you then throw it on the floor, you do not intend anyone to read it, so it's littering. Personally, I think the next person to use my parking place will want to read the flyer, so I kindly leave it on the floor with the intent that they read it.
In Las Vegas it is considered littering but it still happens because littering isn't prioritized.
Littering is about tossing trash on public property.
@@EventHoriXZ0nYup. This is illegal dumping. Slightly different.
Found a GPS device on my work truck and tossed it in a dumpster. A week later, there were two uniformed officers and a detective at my door asking where the device was. I played dumb and they made some vague legal threats, but ultimately left empty handed. I moved out of state not too long after that, and never heard anything about it again. I still have no idea why they were tracking me.
Did Hugo Weaving tell you that "what good is a phone call if you're unable to speak?" Mr. Anderson?
Did you ask for the warrant? Then tell them they are under arrest for trespassing and stop resisting
Matt... how long were you in Massachusetts?
Wow that not right they harassed you after they placed the device without your permission and it isn’t right.
It's a tracker. Tell them to go track it.
I was on the federal case where Jones was being tried by the Feds. He outsmarted the Feds to the point they placed the tracker on his car. Him and his lawyers were genius; the judge told him if he hadn't gotten mixed up in this, he'd be one hell of a lawyer. He ran out of money for his defense and took the case to the Supreme Court himself. He'd end up getting freed with time served (7 years). It was one of the most fascinating cases i served on as a juror. I would occasionally see him or his co defendants around town and they would just nod at me and say thanks. In my opinion, it was obvious they were selling coke, but the Feds couldn't prove it and they made many errors and were caught in several lies by the judge and the defense.
We found one on a wrecked trailer we recovered a few years ago, called local Leo before leaving tow Co yard, they said it wasn't theirs. It belonged to the Feds. Called them, they claimed it wasn't theirs, we proceeded to where insurance company wanted trailer taken too. We got 20 miles from tow yard and got pulled over by no less than 12 black suburbans with armed men. After 4 hours, it was determined that some part time desk jocky failed to close case after trailer was involved in a major crash 7 months earlier. Gota love part time fed workers who can't do the simple job of a little paperwork.
And that that little outing to intercept you probably cost the taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars.
@@TheMeepster72 lets be reasonable, it was probably only a single hundred thousand dollars.
But there aren't part time fed workers like that? lol
That seems to be a common theme throughout all of government. Nobody knows anything when YOU need answers from them, but when THEY need something from _us_ theyre always hiding in a bush in your front yard ready to pounce because you owe them a dollar. Only to find out it was actually paid off years ago.
So what you're saying is you were unlawfully detained due to an illegal tracking device....know any lawyers?
Idea. Have your attorney file it with the secretary of state as "found" property. In order to claim it, they have to identify themselves as the owner with documentation. And this information will be FOIA obtainable so you will know who is doing it. After X days, it becomes yours.
Wondering out loud. Is it a crime to put a tracker on the police?
I agree, it should fall under abandoned property law.
Also I think tracking a police vehicle should be allowed, but in my state it's against the wire-tapping law. I disagree with the courts decision on this because the police car belongs to the public and it should be our right to know what is being done with public property by public officials on our dime.
@@johnwesley256 The reason to discover who did it, then you can get the warrant or otherwise obtain the name of the person who actually put the device on the vehicle. Depending on the local statues, you can probably get that person charged under the "theft of energy" statues if they are broad enough since they do NOT require that you benefit from the loss of energy only that you cause more energy to be used for a purpose the person paying would have been unaware of. (Used to charge people who charge their personal phones at work if they don't tell their bosses.) Since the extra weight WILL cause an infintesimal increase in the cost of operating the car...
@@johnwesley256 Protect and Serve - who? definitely not us.
@@lunatik9696 - "To protect and serve" was never anything more than a PR slogan. The SCOTUS has ruled that LEOs have no legal obligation to protect OR serve the citizenry. Their primary obligation is to uphold the law (at which they consistently fail).
Police vehicles are public property.
It could have been put there by a private investigator or stalker, so I can't imagine it could ever be illegal to remove it.
@darrennew8211 .....drug barons also put trackers on cars of their mules so they can track bulk drug deliveries
It’s not illegal to remove it. They are saying it’s illegal to throw it away or damage it, or etc
@@jamesbizsIf you fought that hard enough, you would win. How is it not a gift or free like a flyer put on your car? How can the person in the dark be blamed for not knowing why the object was there in the first place? You put an object on my property, you do not get to blame me if I toss it in the garbage... The prosecution would have to convince a jury that it was theft when it is just an object left on your private property...
whoops, it fell off. I didn't throw it away.
@@john-ic5pz Ikr.. or actually "what GPS tracker? You were tracking me, wink wink?" Then after that you say "well it must've fallen off"
You drive over to a truck stop at night and slap it on an 18 wheeler that's hopefully going long distance.
And potentially get the poor trucker in trouble?
@@TopiasSalakka For what?
Anyway, that trucker then finds the tracker and attaches it to a train, that is found, it goes back on another truck, that trucker then finds it and attaches it to its cargo being loaded on an airplane heading overseas...
Funny story. A mechanic claims to have found a GPS tracker on his friends car. The friend promptly returned the tracker to the US Gov by sending it the US Consulate in Ulan Battar, Mongolia. Apparently he could not be charged as he had returned the device to the US gov.
we had a visit from state LE at a post I was stationed at...they had put trackers on some vehicles in the city nearby and were upset that the trackers did not work when they were near the installation. We were testing some new equipment and apparently, it blocked their system. I just laughed and said, "tough shit--we are not stopping"...how stupid can they be? Did they not know that the military operates some large and powerful electronic warfare equipment?
@@nco_gets_itIn most countries, the cop profession attracts entitled people who want power over others. There are a lot of good cops who do it because they want to make a difference. But there is no denying that professions where you have power over others attract entitled people. They let it go to their head thinking everyone has to obey them. Not realizing that the military is not subject to the same laws, or enforcers as civilians.
Just put it in an Amazon box, leave on porch...problem solved!
so he paid like $100 in air freight to mongolia just to get one over on the local cops? yeah okay lol
One of my neighbors builds custom industrial machine parts. While at work this past summer, they watched as somebody placed a tracking device on an employee's truck. They removed it and put it on a truck making a delivery to Canada.
My friend found two, one for each of his vehicles. He found out where they came from, (State Wildlife and fish). He took them off, went one State over, (Alabama to Mississippi), packed them in a box with 25 pounds of sand and shipped them back C.O.D. They placed them on his 4 wheeler's which were inside a closed structure, in the middle of the night.
OOOH, that's potentially multiple violations!
Pack in box box of talcum powder and ship to Iran.
Why is Alabama Fish and Wildlife breaking into places and putting trackers on cars? Don't they only care about like, poaching and habitat destruction?
@@felixq723 You may have just answered your own question.
@@peted2770 If that's the case, then tbh, F him, I hope the law comes for him with all they've got and more. Poaching and habitat destruction are just animal abuse on a large scale. Animal abusers get no sympathy for anything.
If the police can't produce warrent signed by a judge, she should sue them. The claims should be paid from their pensions. If a judge did sign this, that judge should receive an ethics review, and risk disbarment.
The law has long held that anything given or sent to you without you ordering it or agreeing to it IS A GIFT that you can dispose of legally.
No, it hasn't. To be a gift, it is required for (a) the gifter to "intend" to hand over ownership to the recipient, (b) a physical trasfer of possession, and (c) the recipient accept the proposed gift.
In this kind of scenario, the police absolutely have no intention of giving ownership of the tracker, and the recipient wouldn't know it was there, so they have no ability to accept.
@@finris1 thats why you put in a package and ship it to china
@@finris1 thats a unreasonable expectation and an undue burden on the general public. knowing the intent of..... oh wait you can't know cause all you know is you received a random object at random time at a random place from the unknown..... thats the just a stupid expectation worthy of Darwin awards aplenty.
@@TheReal_birbwizard
(1) You can prove intent by the facts of the case. Like how they put it on the car in a way where most people wouldn't notice unless they checked their car thoroughly. Or how it was a tracker.
Those facts point to the idea they were using it to keep tabs on the car's owner, not trying to gift him a free tracking device.
(2) I am not saying the police should be allowed to do this. I am just stating the legalities involved.
@@marcelgaddis9319 Yup, send it to China. They would reverse engineer it then start selling jammers on wish and temmu that can block its frequencies. LOL
At a gas station I observed a lady looking under her car. She had dropped her keys and saw the box when she picked up her keys.
She ask me what is was and the thing had gps tracker written on it. She was recently divorced and said her husband was a bad person.
I pointed to a truck and said I wonder where that thing is going. Last time I saw her she was walking towards the truck with the tracker in hand.
Always wondered what state he found it in?
She should of recorder on her phone that tracker being under her car, and then put it on truck. She would have a nice legal kickback against that moron husband for illegaly tracking her.
He probably thought she ran off with a trucker. Still stocking her back and forth across the country, That Hussy!
@@VanOutloud lmao i know the word "hussy" is really oldschool slang, but it just reminds me of andy and leyley
I think it would be hilarious if someone found a tracker drove to a court house or city hall then reported a suspicious object attached to their car.
I would've called 911 😂 Make the police come out and have to explain that it's their device that they attached to my vehicle, then demand to see the warrant that permitted them to do so.
Call the media, too. See if you can get them to show up before the police do. 😆
Good luck getting reimbursed when the b*mb squad disables the suspicious device, along with your vehicle. There are a few unfortunate individuals litigating for reimbursement from the police/government for destroying their homes or businesses by mistake. They of course take no responsibility for their actions, even when they admit it is 100% their error.
The old ones we used at first (which weren't even GPS) were much bigger, and actually looked a little like a bomb. We had one guy spot one while filling up with gas at a service station. He went inside and called the police and saiid that he thought that someone had put a bomb under his car. We sat and watched the bomb squad show up, and had to pull them off to the side and tell them what it really was.
@@tricitymorte1 They would never admit it is their tracker
I'd consider going for a drive on various roads such that it spells out "I FOUND UR GPS."
Rule #1 never answer questions. Reserve your right to remain silent and ask for an attorney.
If you remove the device and leave it somewhere...
Don't tell anyone.
They can't prove you did it unless they get you on video or something.
You can wear gloves . . .
@@friedpotatoesa1083 I would leave it in the back seat of a taxi.
even if they got you on video, you just say "I found a suspicious object on my vehicle, I removed it." Have fun watching them try to argue that civilians aren't allowed to remove unknown mysterious objects from their own property.
It can always fall off
Put it on a police car
In my jurisdiction, there are anti-stalking laws. If I attached such a device to my former lover's or a public figure's car without their consent, I would, quite rightly, be prosecuted. I would call that law "exhibit A" against the assertion that we have no expectation of privacy in a public place.
It would be called precedent
An illegally placed tracker could be used in a case against the police for harassment.
well i doubt you'd have a warrant to attach it to your lover car ;)
it's a device and it has it's usage, nothing abnormal there, the real issue seem to be how easy getting that warrant seem to be
@@Namo-xx1sz The usage of any GPS tracking device is to track YOUR OWN property. Using it to track someone else's property is misusing it and solid evidence that you are stalking or harassing.
Retired Coast Guard member here. Most folks wouldn’t have this option, and I don’t know exactly how precise these are, but if the police saw it was moving slowly but it’s six miles offshore they might be confused about why it’s there, and how to get it back.
I know what I'd do with it.
Not gonna say, but it's an option most folks don't have.
But I guarantee you, it'll mindfuck the shit out of whoever is monitoring that tracker.
@@stinkyfungussince you post it, why not reveal it?
Live in Florida? Drop it in a gator-infested swamp...
On a calm day, a garbage Craigslist boat can be in international waters in a couple hours. Just remember to pay cash, give a false name, and take the hull number off first
@Henry-ul2zx my guess would be stowing it away in the cargo of a space shuttle, but I have a feeling it wouldn't work in space
Would the power move here be to remove it, head down to the local PD, tell them "I think you guys misplaced this", and hand it back to them?
What fun! It should be no trouble to drive to a different jurisdiction, contact the law enforcement there about the "recently found" device, and then let them investigate the "stalkers" that are tracking you.
I am guessing that a lot of the trackers have serial numbers and are probably only sold to the government, wouldn't be too hard to figure out who it belonged to.
Better yet, park outside a Federal courthouse, get out for a short walk, and drop your keys unlocking the door of your car. While picking up the keys, "notice" the tracker, call 911, report it as a suspected bomb somebody attached to your car now parked outside a Federal courthouse. Also, in a panic, call the local news, they love this type of drama, they'll send a TV crew to report on it. Refuse to move your car, stand back and watch the shit show. Oh, don't forget to record the shit show on your phone. Share it on UA-cam.
@@robriggott1171 holy shit 🤣🤣🤣
@@holy3979 trackers are probably more accessible than you think. at the very least there are many commercial companies that use trackers to track their own vehicles. beyond that they may even be available to people that want to track their own vehicle if it gets stolen.
@@robriggott1171 oooh, you're hard core chaotic!😁
Simple. Box up the device. Send it to an US address that does not exist yet is as far away from you as possible such as an address you confirmed is not real in San Juan Puerto Rico.
Next, include a return address that does not exist and is also incredibly far away from the first address such as gnome, Alaska.
Ship it ground so it takes a good month to get to its final destination.
Add a box inside the box, with postage prepaid, to a third address, and so on.
Next-Level Trolling for Masters of the Troll Arts 🤣🤣🤣
That town in Alaska is Nome, not Gnome, dummy.
Imagine being the cops trying to make use of the tracking info they get from the device.
"What the hell is he doing? He doesn't work at a UPS distribution center. What is his car doing on the runway at Atlanta International?"
@@captainottoHow the hell did he just drive to Puerto Rico?
Considering legend has it, Nome got its name because some official DC cartographer misread a notation 'Name?' because another cartographer left it off, Gnome is just as legit. I'm writing it as Gnome from now on. 😂
I can't believe that everyone, especially Andrew, missed the most obvious answer.
When your find a tracker on your car, CALL YOUR ATTORNEY.
The lady calling the naacp first did make me laugh, not gonna lie.
@@onbored9627why?
@@LeafBoye I don't know. Laughter just happens sometimes.
@@LeafBoye Because what can they do about it? What would they be willing to do about it?
Call your attorney because it means the government thinks you are doing something illegal. If they are right, you're in deep dodo and need help. If they are wrong, you're still in deep dodo and need a lawyer to shake them off.
Disable the tracker and say that it belongs to you because the car is your property? What’s the difference between a tracker or any other components? They’re all just installed on the frame
Attached to a random car with out of state plates at the Flying J sounds like a great way to give it back.
Ship it on a cargo ship to an island in the middle of nowhere.
@@JebusHypocristosXfunny you say that…
I knew a guy that was on my fleet division in the company I signed onto.
We loved outdoing each other in a friendly game of who was better.
He gives me a call one day, “Julie gave me a call while I was in the middle of Lake Michigan!”
He took the ferry between Green Bay and a place close to Grand Rapids, Michigan.
>>downright evil, conniving grin
so many fun things one could do. Im sure the judge would be happy to find it on their car...
I wouldn’t do that to someone else. They don’t deserve the hassle, either.
I was thinking of a semi with canadian plates on it :D
If you find a tracker, put it in your back seat and drive to a convenience store. Buy some aluminum foil. Then drive to a public park and wrap the tracker in ALL the aluminum foil. Then put it in a plastic store bag, walk it over to the trash can, and make a deposit. This way, it goes offline at a location that's NOT your house and never comes back online. Go home, clean house, and never talk about the tracker to anyone, ever. Bear in mind that you will know they have NO evidence the tracker is in your house and wasn't when it went offline. Trackers aren't free, and the more the police lose, the less inclined they'll be to use them on a regular Joe.
Skip the foil. Let them track it to the dump. If you're really bored, hang around a few days and see if they come for it.
Wear gloves before touching the device
Don't incriminate yourself by saying you know the tracking device cannot be in your house because you wrapped it in foil somewhere else. I would say, if you find it just drop it while driving somewhere. Wear gloves so there are no fingerprints except of those that planted it and forget about it, but keep checking your vehicle for trackers... which is near impossible these days really because they can be tiny and disguised as part of the car. The other option would be to report it to the police and hand it over and let them either admit it is theirs or having them try to track down who put it there if it was a private eye or a stalker.
I’d probably just sell it on Ebay lmao. Their loss is my gain.
Advise wearing gloves for this procedure.
The bad news is, police very seldom use car trackers any more. Once they had to go to the trouble of getting a warrant to put one on and monitor, it, then it really became not that much more trouble to just get a court order to track your phone. That was true when I retired years ago. It's probably more true now.
I read an article a few weeks ago. Honda was voluntarily handing over all data collected from owners phones while connected to the Bluetooth system. No warrant no nothing. Makes you wonder if all car manufacturers do the same or will.
@@jonbottoms8988 They do. The GM OnStar has had lots of bad press for this. Their people have even been known to listen in on people just for fun.
I bought a car that had OnStar and the first thing I did was pull the fuse for it. I didn't drive it much and I didn't want the battery to drain. A week later I had a letter from GM letting me know my OnStar wasn't working and to go to the nearest dealer to get it fixed. The car wasn't even registered in my name yet (bank was having issues getting the money to the dealer) but they knew who to send it to.
@@jonbottoms8988 Your data was never under lock and key, if the police requests your data from basically any company 9 times out of 10 they will hand it over
@@jayden7945 Yeah there was a gun safe company a few months ago that handed over the combinations of some of their customers safes to the cops without any resistance. Also Ring cameras and similar services are more than happy to hand over your videos and give the cops live access to your cameras. Plenty of companies that don't give a shit about their customer's privacy
How do you think the FBI got all that location data on the January 6 protesters to see who went into the Capitol? That guy who did 2000 Mules, did the same thing, because you can buy that data as a private citizen as well.
Put it on a police car and watch the hilarity ensue.😂
Found a police GPS tracker on my car a long time ago. Went and attached it on an inter-city bus. Nothing happened from it but it always brought a smile on my face thinking how some people must have been sitting, looking at the screen and thinking WTF is happening.
Most of these trackers don't transmit live data, they passively record GPS, and then must be retrieved later to have the trail downloaded from it. The owners probably never knew where it went and would have simply just never seen it again.
@@OutdoorsWithChad How would the cops know where to retrieve it from?
@@actuallyrat Much in the same way the cops knew where to place it. If they have a suspect in mind, know his vehicle, know his house, know some of his routine, it isn't hard to retrieve the GPS unit.
@@actuallyrat How would you possibly know where you placed your keys?
I'm guessing:
If you own the vehicle, you're free to un-install any foreign objects or hardware if there's no paperwork for it to be there, no repercussion. It's your vehicle after all.
Ferrari: No, it's not.
That's how a reasonable person would see it. Unfortunately, law enforcement and the courts aren't always reasonable.
@@davidschneider2258 I can see that being true. But maybe there is some degree of understanding if the object is visibly foreign, gets removed and the owner of the vehicle has no criminal record. I would hope at least. I have never been in this situation.
Also you absolutely have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your car, as it is your property and the doors have locks and the windows have tent
You can also attach it to someone else's car, preferably on a car having out of state plates. Wink wink.
Never admit to placing the device on another vehicle, like a semi truck. Never admit to finding it. They will have to prove that you did. Also never place one of these things on a Long Haul truck if there are cameras about. Never stop at an isolated rest stop or scenic view, in the middle of the night while traveling. where there are usually no cameras.
Best would be in you knew a trucker who was cool, and good with taking it for a ride, all while later claiming he knew nothing about it, of course. If you get accused of removing the tracker, say 'What tracker? WTF are you talking about? Did you put a tracker on my car!?!
@@muzzlevelocity4397 The amount of plausible deniability the car owner has is through the roof!
"Oh yeah, I found this thing I thought was a bomb stuck to my car so I reported it to the ATF"
I put the tracker my mechanic found in the hands of a cross country truck driver who passed it over to a CXS Engineer who attached it to a tanker that routinely moved up and down to East coat oil refineries.
Quite stupid to make such an admission on a public forum.
@ not at all, the Private Investigator who planted it must have charged their customers a small fortune! :)
There was an issue in my hometown where the local police was going to bars and writing on people's tires with a grease pencil with the time, and when the person left the bar and was pulled over, they could tell how long the person was at the bar. The public outrage caused them to quit it.
There was a supreme court ruling on this issue (it was about marking tires of parked cars to issue tickets for being parked more than 24 hours, or whatever). The courts declared the tire marks to be an unreasonable search.
shocked they even tried this, Someone probably sued for Vandalization.. every time they think there being smart it comes apart.
When I first moved to TX I was warned the TABC used to do this. They'd get you for DUI and fine the bar and bartender for overserving. Got in the habit of checking my tires after I left a bar or restaurant.
@@thebrewingsailor9172 easier to not drink and drive.
@@KipdoesStuff It's the drunk crashers you gotta look out for
Remember, there's no law that says the container you return the tracking device to them in can't also contain two pounds of ultrafine glitter.
So, you’re saying pull a mark rober. I like this idea
I...I don't think that's correct but I don't know enough to tell you otherwise. Also, I really want this to be correct
bacon grease bucket, sorry! sunk right down before i could catch it, crazy freak accident!
As the mom of 2 girls and AVID crafter...TWO pounds of ultra fine glitter would be EPIC. And a MESS for the ages to clean up😂😂
Love it.
If I was in a jury for someone accused of throwing away a tracker, they certainly would not get a guilty verdict from me 'legal or not' or search warrant or not.
Ahh Jury nullification. Part of the Juror screening process is to reject potential jurors that may attempt to do just that.
This is called Jury Nullification, and it is a wonderful thing.
@@clarabean2150 Just don't talk about it in court.
How about we reposition the tracker on a trash truck or another police vehicle?
Ah yes, the GPS tracker, for when you don't have enough probable cause to get a warrant, but you just know that person is up to something!
Where I used to work, a local attorney's car was bombed by an upset opposing party. I'd be likely to take my car into that jurisdiction and report that I just found a suspicious device attached to my car...
The dealership I worked out found a tracking device on a vehicle that was getting repaired. The owner told the mechanics to get it off if possible and we waited to see who would come get it…..no one ever did, likely because it was placed illegally and they didn’t want it publicly known who placed it there or who was tracking the driver.
It was me I put it there to track your hot mom.
Previous owner's boyfriend
@@fibonaccisrazoror girlfriend.
In my country a wrongly delivered thing to your address needs to be stored for some time in case the one who wrongly sent it to you want it back.
So i see different possibilities here. 1. you leave it in place 2. you remove it and keep it in your house 3. you never saw it and it must have fallen off by itself at some random place on a road. possibly on a road trip to a far far away national park or such.
It could always "Fall off" and roll into a ditch.
Or into a trash compactor.
Fall off into the Mighty Mississip
Might " accidentally " fall off and attach itself to a sea can shipping container on a stack train passing through town. Ends up on one of the coasts at minimum and at best whoever put it on is wondering what you're doing in China.
The USPS installed trackers on their freight elevators at one of their large mail sorting plants where I repaired and maintained the elevators. There were six large freights in all. I happened to be on top of one of those units doing some work when I came across a tracker not much bigger than a pack of cigarettes' mounted to an 6" piece of 2x4. It seems they were monitoring the elevator operators (who I became friends with since I was always there fixing the elevators) to see how many trips they were taking. I told the operators about it and gave them the devices. They stuck them into shipping containers headed out of state. A month or so later one of the supervisors asked me if I had seen the devices. I played dumb and asked him what devices? When he confessed to me what they were, I told him that I hadn't, but I did have an apprentice with me that I had clean off the tops of the elevators and he probably threw them out.
I was unaware a GPS tracker could measure in a vertical direction. Interesting.
@@Crasshole Found this with a quick search: [ There are two main methods to measure elevation with GPS: absolute and relative. Absolute elevation is the height above a reference level, such as mean sea level or an ellipsoid model of the Earth. Relative elevation is the height difference between two or more points. To measure absolute elevation, you need a GPS receiver that can receive signals from two different frequencies, L1 and L2, which are affected differently by the atmosphere. By comparing the signals, you can correct for the atmospheric errors and get a more accurate elevation. To measure relative elevation, you need two or more GPS receivers that can communicate with each other and calculate the height difference between them. This method is less affected by the atmosphere, but more sensitive to the distance and alignment between the receivers. ]
@@Isaacrl67 In other words, normal GPS trackers that only SEND OUT one positional horizontal pinpoint location (at a time), could ONLY provide a record of "relative horizontal movements between two map co-ordinates", & thus couldn't possibly alert to vertical movements of any sort, (especially of fixed position, vertical lift elevators)
@@QUIX4U 😅 my question was meant to be kind of a joke. Calling BS on this lil story.
I knew the answer. My statement was more to create a question in other people's minds. Get someone thinking, Do some research, create some critical thought, then determine for themselves if this story has merit or not.
"A" GPS tracker can't measure a vertical line. An altimeter attached to a recording device can. The device would need to measure both elevation and frequency to measure the data desired by the building owner. Many modern elevators already have systems installed to measure how often an elevator is used, on which floors, weight of each load, etc.
A GPS tracker is unnecessary.
total bullshit, lol
So... this is what an acquaintance of mine did with one of these a few years ago:
He's a motorhead so he's constantly doing both cosmetic and performance mods on all three of his cars. One day, he was putting his car through a voluntary road safety inspection (I believe the concern at the time was emissions) after a particular mod. One of the employees aproached him and told him to look under his car when he went back home (wink, nudge, etc). He does so and he finds the tracking device. He knew the exact date of the last time he had been under his car before that inspection so he puts two and two together and figures out when and where the cops had planted that tracker; the parking garage of a huge shopping center. Turns out there are several businesses operating from that particular parking garage such as vehicle cleaning services, car rental companies, etc. My man then proceeds to go back to that shopping center, parks his car in the same garage and goes for a walk. Soon enough, he finds an unattended car with a water company livery that was at the queue for a car cleaning service. He takes the tracker and puts it on that car. Weeks later, some cops show up at his apartment asking about the tracker, stating they knew he had removed it. The guy plays dumb while covertly recording the whole interaction. Several lawsuits and counter-lawsuits ensued over some technicalities about the investigation. In the end, my guy settled out of court for an ungodly amount of money because the law enforcement agency had been... "accidentally neglecting"... some bureaucratic steps in almost every instance in which they deployed those tracker for years at that point, and letting that shit go to court would screw up a bunch of cases that were on trial at the time. He never learned what ended up happening to the tracker in question, though, which is a shame.
But wait, there's more...
That agency ended up getting nuked by a series of lawsuits from the Ministry of Justice for falsifying paperwork because they'd gone and back-dated the paperwork they had been skipping for a bunch of ongoing investigations. Good times... just not for those cops.
Hey, anything on my car that I didn't put there will be dealt with the same as a flyer on my windshield. You wanna track me? Use my fucking phone. I know damn well these fucks can.
again this did bot occur.
So if I put an unknown device on a police car, can I take them to court for tampering with it? Could I take them to court over the property being stolen?
No, I'd be in prison for terroristic activity. That's what they would call it, and that is what I am calling it.
I had a buddy who was under investigation for narcotics….we found a tracker on his car…..so we took it off and put it onto a GoBus, it went to near by cities and back everyday. They didn’t bring it up after they arrested him. We had proof since we recorded what we did with the tracker once we found it. I’d love to have seen them “tracking” a bus route over and over again 😂 (ps my friend had a charges dropped because the police broke policy a bunch of times)
get better friends
@@chobiden7770 most loyal ones….unlike how you’d be, cooperating with the tyrant pigs
@@chobiden7770 Probably, although there can be some pretty questionable reasons for being targeted by narcotics officers.
So he’s still selling drugs to kids.
@@jimarcher5255 kids? And was under “investigation” do you live in a place where you are guilty until proven innocent?! Nazi Germany?
As someone who caught the police placing a gps tracker on their vehicle I can say whole heartedly that despite the Supreme Court decision against them doing it without a warrant they continue to do so and will use whatever stupid insane reason they can pull out of their ass to justify it (their reasoning in my case was since my last name was one letter off from being the last name of a man who skipped court while out on bail meant that we were obviously related and I was clearly aiding and abetting him in avoiding the law and if they placed a tracker on my car I would eventually slip up and lead them to his location turns out he was in the hospital with severe pneumonia)
You can't fault the police for putting a tracker on your car. They're lazy just like everybody else. Plus, all you need to be a cop is a high school diploma. There are smart cops. There are also average cops. And a few a bit less than average invariably sneak in to the job. It takes a spectrum of types to make up a good force, and edges of that spectrum, well....
@@salvadormonella8953 given the Alaska police force has an max IQ limit of 93 to become a police officer I feel like your argument is invalid maybe its not the case in the rest of the US but up here they're all idiots
@@salvadormonella8953So it's okay for them to do whatever they want then ?
@@salvadormonella8953 Actually, there are no smart cops. The second US circuit court of appeals ruled that it was legal for police departments to reject applicants who scored too high on intelligence tests. (Jordan v. City of New London, 2000)
@@MisterCellaneous I didn't know that. That explains A LOT. Although, realistically, when I say there are "smart" cops, that's pretty subjective, and what's smart to one person may be stupid to another. IMO, for someone to be objectively "smart," they should possess an IQ of 130 points or higher. I don't want to disparage anyone's intelligence. Everybody wants to be smart, but God hasn't seen fit to bestow good brain-power on everyone, and so if you've got it, be thankful it has been bestowed upon you. That's how I look at it. Otherwise, everyday is totally frustrating as everybody lurches from failure to failure, failure caused by their own lack of cognition (or experience, or education, or awareness, but usually smarts).
Take it to the Feds and ask to ID it and find if there's a warrant that allows it. If no warrant, ask the Feds to arrest the owners: "Call the cops on the cops".
This does indeed sound like the best course of action.
Nope. If the police need to put a tracker on your vehicle for some reason, the burden is on them to communicate to you through the warrant that they can legally put it there. The entire purpose of the warrant system is to keep the police in check and preserve the rights of citizens.
@@darkprinc979 Hence, "calling the cops on the cops".
Idc, if I find a tracker on something I paid for, and got something I didn't ask for, or want, it's outta there. They ask for what they want, and I don't know what they are talking about. That's how that goes. If they try to sue, I'll counter sue for invasion of privacy.
When cops used radar guns to detect speeders on the road, there was plenty of resistance from the government when ordinary citizens began to use detection devices in order to thwart police actions. I wonder how much resistance the government will enact when ordinary citizens begin using detectors to find the police's and fed's tracking devices? Will make for an interesting video.
Hard to detect because they have the same things that a cell phone does. It's GPS receiver and a cell phone data connection.
@@JoeHamelin Its super easy to see if a cell signal is coming from a device.
This guy doesnt now how radiation emissions work. @@JoeHamelin
You’re going to find that these tracking devices are disappearing. Simply put, the police can achieve far better results by tracking your phone, your tablet, the AirTag you put on your wallet, or keys, or any other digital device you own that has a capacity similar to “find my iPhone.”
Not only will this typically tell them where your car is, most people keep their phone on them, so they can see where you are to within a few feet. It also possibly gives them evidence of premeditation, since they’ll be able to tell when you have left your phone behind, and will claim you did so to avoid tracking.
Not only that but they don’t need to be actively monitoring you. The cell network will maintain historical records of the places and times you have visited.
hence why I pull my phone battery out and leave it off unless I want to actually use it. I also dont take it with me. @@ThatGuy182545
If you are lucky enough to find one of these, head to the local truck stop and look for trailers that have an out of state plate. The farther away the better. If you are really really lucky you'll find one with a canadian plate. All canadian trucks MUST return to their home base after delivering their load and picking one up. Can you imagine how much fun it would be not only crossing multiple state lines but then an international border. I can only imagine the paperwork that would be generated.
I feel like required vehicle inspections would cause the device to be found well before the truck even made it to the border.
@@tricitymorte1 The days of crawling under a trailer are long dead and gone. If you get pulled in at a scale for a gov. inspection then yes there is a chance but other than that I have watched guys miss flat tires on their inspection. Quick light and tire check and we gone. Also some company's put gps on their trailers in case they get stolen. Pallets have gps on them to track loads. So even if spotted whoever wouldn't even give it a second thought.
A buddy of mine had one on his vehicle. We had a mutual friend who put it at the top of a 200ft radio tower. It had a great range after that. It took whoever put it on the vehicle weeks to realize it was up in the air and not on the ground. Needless to say, his organization was not amused.
Not true. Never happened.
IMHO if I found a suspicious device attached to my car, I wouldn't do anything. However, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Hawaiian Menehunes had relocated the device to a convenient long-haul truck or railroad car, without my knowledge. Those pesky Menehunes are known for doing such things without asking. I certainly wouldn't want to be suspected of damaging police property.
Thats gonna backfire spectacularly when someone with a security clearance or a military type goes on a base and the sentry notices the device when they try to enter.
I was going to say that CID would have a field day with something like that. 😂
Unless you are going on to a base during a period of heightened security it is unlikely they would ever find such a device. Even then the odds are even they wouldn't spot it.
@MoreBollocks-ui2zs oh, I'd say that depends on which base, what RAM's are active, and what protection level is required for the assets...
But I can definitely see many scenarios where it wouldn't be picked up reliably...
@@ryokkeno You'd like to believe that were the case but that hasn't ben the reality for some time. If you've seen a non-commercial vehicle having the mirrors run under it in the last 5 years that's an outlier rather than the norm.
@@MoreBollocks-ui2zs That's why you report it in the parking lot after you "drop your keys"
I’ve found 2 police trackers under my car. Once when I was sitting in the car smoking a joint in my parking pad, they didn’t know me and my buddy were in the car. Creeped up and put it under the hood section of the car. When they left I promptly put it under my neighbours car. The second time I found it, I put it on a cop car, the cop was in a tim Hortons at the time lol
Both times I never heard a peep about it from the courts or the cops. Told my lawyer about it and he just looked at me like a dog would a sound he doesn’t know hahahaha
Canada has different laws
would have layed on the horn as they were trying to attach the tracker. yelling "WHY THE F ARE YOU ATTACHING A BOMB TO MY CAR." holding up your phone "im streaming this live.."
All the cops had to do was get you to open your window and take a whiff.
What a load of BS !
You smoke and drive...😢😢
If someone put a tracker on my vehicle and asked for it back I'd just say, "You gave it to me, it's my property now." I think that's something you could reasonably argue in court.
I like your bridge solution at the end. I was thinking a little too fast over a speed bump scrapes off a device that I never knew was there.
Friend of mine was going through a divorce. He found a tracking device on his car. There were no markings on the device, no ownership labels, etc. It had also rubbed some wiring and did damage to his car. We fixed the wiring and tossed the tracker in 😮the trash. It either attached itself to garbage equipment at the tranfer station, or was transported out of state to a landfill in Oregon. He did not hear anything about it.
The most chaotic choice might be to remove it from the car and then abandon it at an airport. Assuming it gets reported as a suspicious abandoned item (and isn't simply stolen by a random person), they would have to investigate it like it's a potential bomb. Obviously that would be bad, because it could cause a lot of people to miss their flights (so it shouldn't actually be done); but, prompting the government to investigate one of their investigations would be entertaining.
that could get you in trouble.
Just send it to the FBI field office in alaska...
problem is airports have cameras everywhere. once the panic dies down they'll go back through the cameras and figure out who left it. Even if they cant actualy charge you with anything they could try to stick you with a bill for the security responce out of spite.
@@merendell true
I think this is an excellent way to make sure that the authorities throw the book at you as hard as they can while the public excoriates you for being the jerk who made a bunch of people miss their flights.
Someone else mentioned driving to a different state and reporting it to local police as a suspicious device on your vehicle. That's ballsy, and I'm not saying I recommend it, but at least it doesn't wreak havoc at an airport, or cause any sort of harm to innocent people.
Not only do airports have cameras in the US, but we also have software that immediately identifies when a person leaves a package behind. Good plan if you want to have a bad day.
If I found a mysterious black box on my car I would not touch it, I would immediately drive someplace close like a mall, Walmart, or Home Depot parking lot that's wide and empty (for safety reasons) versus if I found it in my driveway in a residential neighborhood, and I would be calling 911 telling the police I suspect there may be a bomb attached to my vehicle, and I would call the media on top of that all about 20 minutes before the 6 o'clock news since this would be of interest to the public media if it does (not) turn out to be a bomb. Lucy would have a lot of 'splaining to do in front of the cameras.
Call the media first before the police so they are already on-scene when the police arrive.
Found one on my car when i was in my twenties, my mom was about to trade her vehicle in at a dealership out of state so the day she went to go pick up her new truck, i not only moved it to her vehicle i pulled off an interior panel behind the back seat and hid it. Her old vehicle got crushed (cash for clunkers period where they where crushing everything). A month later i had a cop ask me what i did with it, i dont know if it died before it got crushed or if they just didnt check its location. Cop said he had to cover the replacement cost of losing equipment. Family lawyer was notified the morning after i seen them under the car on camera. No warrant, they tresspassed onto the property, and the lawyer said its illegal so if they pursue anything not to worry about it. It was on my car for 3 weeks with me fully aware of it. That same police department would take laundry detergent and wipe it on license plates at local bars to catch drunk drivers, (the laundry detergent would cover the reflectiveness of plates wheb their headlights hit it
Magistrates... I really have to wonder how on earth it makes sense for someone to have the power to issue search warrants without having any legal degrees apparently?
In most places magistrates are lawyers. They are sort of junior judges.
We allow people to write laws and regulations about subjects that they have no competency in also...
Democracy problem. Can't trust an armed populace.
Drive to a truck stop, find a tractor trailer idling with the curtains drawn closed. (They are on the required 10 hour sleep break) stick it under the tractor. Next thing they know, you're on I-70 West headed towards Colorado. You can stick it under the trailer. It will be much harder to find, but sometimes a driver will drop a loaded trailer in a secure drop lot.
My best friend is a trucker. That requirement sure is a thing... on paper. It's total bullshit. If you're not breaking that law constantly they'll fire your ass. I've been on the phone with him while his boss doctored GPS records to make it look like his truck was abiding by federal laws. All of them do that, and no they wont be punished, because it would be impossible for our nation's logistics to be met if we obayed that law.
@@MeepChangelingI really wish there was this invention that was capable of moving massive amounts of cargo efficiently
What if we took a really big truck and attached A LOT of trailers to it? We could take the tires off and run the whole thing on metal tracks to reduce friction, too!
When I found a tracker on my car, I assumed (correctly) that it had been placed there by my soon-to-be ex-wife. Lord knows what she thought she would find. It obviously wasn't a police device, but a model readily available on Amazon. I later found - when the cat had knocked her glasses off the night stand and under the bed, and her lazy ass couldn't be bothered to find them herself, so she asked me to fetch them - that she actually still had the shipping box.
You keep cardboard boxes under your bed? Not only the nasty smell, but they attract roaches
@@jonathanc.8424 I don't, no. She does. We hadn't slept in the same room for years at that point, and she's a total slob.
We don't get roaches where I live though.
@@jonathanc.8424nasty smell? Of dry cardboard? K then
As someone who lives in Virginia and knows where a lot of bridges are this was very helpful information
How is he supposed to know the tracker is from the FBI? It could be from some crazy stalker, or other kinds of criminals.
Boy howdy do I have news for you about the overlap between police, obsessive stalkers, and criminality.
There's so many creative ways to dispose of these GPS trackers: long-haul truck, boxcar of a train, taxi cab (I think that's best), bus, cruise ship, ferry...
I like the idea of a ferry!
Trash bin...
Boating accident, along with firearms.
Sewer drain
Bury it in a timecapsule marked 1947
Cellular devices and apps are how this is often done as well. I read about the guy going for a bike ride who was tracking his ride on Runkeeper. He was arrested because a burglary took place near where he was riding. The local PD got a blanket warrant for all the cell phones within a block of that home that was burglarized and his was the only phone that popped up during that window in that area. Maybe the burglars left their phones at home. It was eventually turned around but the guy lost significant sleep and had to be cuffed and faced a lot of injustice first. Probably some major legal fees as well.
If this is the case in Winsconsin, then he also lost his job, and was on his record until the real perp was caught. Still didn't get his job back, he's currently suing for loss of wages/loss of retirement and benefits.
I don't think you could search all of the cell data because that would violate random peoples rights.
@@dennismayer4936It the location data matches up they can and have
Why do you think they're trying so hard to get rid of VPNs?
Sounds like a case of dragnet. Unlawful since the fifties!
@@dennismayer4936 Think again. The authorities do it all the time. Blanket meta-data such as that is sold by the carriers all the time. I should know. I trained the FBI on cell phone stuff when I worked at the largest carrier in the world whose name shall remain nameless.
It is absolutely legal for me to remove a surveillance device from my vehicle that I didn't consent to and leave it where I found it. Unfortunately, people are so behind on reality, they allow the dealers and auto companies to install these beforehand.
First you have to prove I took it off personally. And that someone didn't steal it.
Also - the 21st century is no time for people to remain in the dark when it comes to RF. If people purchase RF scanners, they can check their vehicles. When you consider that a PETA member had one of these on their car, it's not really n "out there" thing to do.
I found a GPS tracker under my dashboard on a minivan I bought used. It freaked me out at first, but upon further research, it looks like it was a device used for fleet vehicles and by companies that do high-risk lending and was probably left there by a previous owner. I would assume that it was buried somewhere in their loan paperwork, so they may or may not have known about it. I disposed of it, and nobody ever came looking for it.
I used to install them so deep you had to start removing the dash to get at it. What they will do is make your car not start, they will not shut the car down on the move for safety. That allows the repo truck the time and address to pick the car up. Make those payments or wonder about the voodoo used to retrieve the car for lack of payment. After the payments are over it remains as part of the car since it requires a code to turn the car off the odds of it doing so are beyond astronomical.
For anyone wondering why the police couldn't just track the device attached to a post, you should know that not all GPS trackers send information in real time via a wireless signal. Those that do are more expensive and have a much shorter battery life. In most cases, you have to retrieve the tracker in person and physically connect it to a computer in order to access what it recorded. Private investigators and local police stations usually use the cheap but long lasting devices. Federal agencies are much more likely to track you in real time.
You're so wrong. Cellphones, esp. with larger LiPo batteries. Game and Trail cams... and so on. Wireless cellphone signals, gps, wifi... even a combination in a tracker will work so well. Hell, my Drones have trackers that last 36 hrs. or so... and they are tiny.
If someone puts a tracker on your car the tracker is a gift. Who ever put the tracker on your car is no longer the owner. You are
@@eltorocal36 hours is not very long in this context. They want it to last *months*, and that would take a pretty ludicrous battery if it's a broadcaster. And there's still the expense thing, even though it's technically doable.
@@GamesFromSpace Cars have electricity. Tap into the tail lights or license plate light and that will keep the battery charged.
@@JoeHamelin Sure, but sneakily doing that is a completely different thing from sticking a magnetized box under the car and walking away. It's just not as simple, and probably a lot less legal.
If a Magistrate, with no legal knowledge, can issue a search warrant - does that actually satisfy due process? If the judicial branch is to serve as a "check and balance" to the other 2 branches - wouldn't "rubber stamping" be dereliction of duty?
It is. But good luck getting justice out of the just us system.
How do you know it was the police. I would think someone is trying to hurt my family or myself