After giving birth the first time, my doctor took it upon himself to give me the “husband stitch” and it’s caused me pain and suffering for years and years. This conversation is long overdue and I hope we don’t stop talking about it. People deserve better care period. Enough about medicine being an industry and more about it being a service for the betterment of society.
@@wayln2591 it’s actually hard to prove, and not easy to sue a doctor for unfortunately. I went through a deep state of depression over it and looked into suing, but never did. I know I’m not alone because I googled it and found a lot of similar stories to mine. It’s sad this is a thing that actually happens. Also, the extra stitch doesn’t do anything for anyone. It’s just nasty he ever thought to do it
Wow that's totally disgusting! My wife was stitched up, but that's because they had to cut her downwards to allow my daughter's very large head (ouch) to emerge safely (without serious tearing). Honestly sex has been better for her, and therefore for me, after our first kid. Can't imagine a doctor diddling with my wife to make her tighter, that's just sick.
I don't have lupus, but I do have endo and PCOS, among other conditions. The ignorance, stigma, and dismissal surrounding both conditions is frustrating. It took forever to find a doctor who would take me seriously, and then another long stretch of time before definitive diagnoses arrived. Thank you for discussing this critically important topic.
@@rbz8051 It really is. And that's not even considering how lonely it can be feeling like everyone else is just as dismissive or hurtful as the doctors we've tried...and thus like we can't talk about what's wrong without getting told how "impolite" it is. (That's been my experience anyway, with psychiatric and AFAB/gyno issues.)
As a male, I've personally found most doctors to be arrogant and dismissive of whatever health concerns I'm presenting. Their arrogance has lead to misdiagnosis at least 5 out of 6 times. I imagine this is severely worse for women.
@@mjchakos1 It sounds like you disagree with the premise of this segment, that's when you want to avoid using anecdotes to make your point. If you want to convince someone that systemic misogyny is _not_ a problem in the medical industry, how about _you_ supply the supporting data and statistics?
It took me over 10 years to get my MS diagnosis & still have my pain dismissed. I haven't had a pain free moment in over 16 years... I'm not even 35 yet.
As a Black man, I have never felt heard by doctors. There is always an assumption that I'm just looking for meds (which I never get). It's even worse for my mother. She was in severe pain after her heart surgery but was told she had to just tough it out. We went back and he wrote a prescription for the pain. She took the medication, but didn't feel any better. We talked to a family friend who is a pharmacist and he informed us that her pain med was a placebo. I went off on her doctor, who then finally wrote her a real prescription and surprise surprise, my mother's pain was managed. It only took a week of unnecessary visits and investigating to get a low dose pain medication for her heart surgery recovery.
I'm really glad that this subject is getting attention; such a great guest as well. It's wild and scary that this is still happening, it's like a holdover from the 1800's.
Thank you so much for addressing this, it is a subject I have a lot of personal experience with. It was only a few years ago that I realized black women have been dismissed and denied proper medical care and research to an even _greater_ degree (thank you Wanda Sykes, for speaking up.)
On the one hand, medical professionals are notoriously dismissive of non-specific and seemingly harmless symptoms. On the other hand, Lupus is rare enough for Dr. House to make "It's never Lupus" a catchphrase.
You would think with all the atrocities that medical scientists committed on black women in America for the sake of progress would have helped them step up their game.
My older daughter has a rare set of diseases that are only recently becoming well understood. It was a very painful process for several of her years as a pre-teen and teenager, and even now family has a hard time accepting the reality we live with every day. Taking us seriously about her needs.
Multiple sclerosis is a serious neurological disorder that is autoimmune. It is more common in women. It was thought to be more common in men until the MRI was developed. The women were simply ignored
I have definitely noticed this with doctors as a woman. Surprisingly, it wasn't necessarily male doctors that were the problem for me. Often, male doctors, although they appeared to be clueless, did try their best to diagnose my various problems. The worst offenders (just in MY experience) were female doctors who were dismissive. Not all of them by any means! But the two who were quickest to dismiss my problems as anxiety were women.
Tuition free college would solve this. If everyone had the same opportunity to become a doctor, more people would do it because they care, not because of the money or status
@@macberry4048nurse practioners and physician assistants are not doctors. Which means if they can't help the patient, the patient now has to wait to see an actual doctor. So while they are cheaper, going that route would unnecessarliy prolong medical care. If you genuinely want to cut costs, how about pushing for a Japanese-modeled health insurance plan. This can be accomplished by removing general practice doctors and requiring every doctor specialize in some type of medicine. That way when you schedule an appointment, you immediately get seen by a specialist. No more: •referrals (administration costs) •waiting (health risk) •paperwork (administration cost) We would allow have to adopt a universal healthcare program first though.
I feel like adequate health care is a luxury and the only time in my life that I had it was when I was trading my services with a naturopathic doctor which helped me immensely but after a few years, I moved out of state and now I can't work or afford a naturopathic dr and I feel scared to go to any doctors or hospitals because I feel that it will be rushed and something will go wrong. If I mention anything about what I think might be going on with my body, doctors get irritated that you think you can know when they have the phd. It's not worth it for me. Hopefully once something does go wrong, I will die quickly.
Ironically enough, I've had issues of not being taken seriously, being dismissed, and even being outright shamed by my doctors. Me being male and them being female. I've also had some of the best experiences with female doctors as well. Thus far, my male doctors have largely been average to good. I'll never forget when I limped for 2 years and my doctor told me to juststretchlol. Best I ever got was an xray, but honestly I really needed psychological care most of all. Or the time the Urologist essentially just scolded me like a child for half an hour over nothing. My experiences in mind, it would completely make sense that medicine is likely gendered even worse for women in their own twisted way. If my bad experiences have kept me from seeking care as much as they have, I can only imagine what a more extreme case could do.
Yupppppppppppp. Wait till ya hear about ehlers danlos syndrome and the cover up. Dupont. Aka Joe Manchin's best bud. Not to mention all the dysautonomia is most commonly post viral in nature. (She totally has dysautonomia/POTS, btw)
Do you not know how hard it is to diagnose some of these conditions? In medicine, we're taught to think horses not zebras when we hear hooves. Rheumatological conditions, which predominantly affect women, are notoriously non-specific in their presentations. Yes of course there is misogyny in medicine but I think you can also overestimate how common and pervasive it is when you base your opinions on these personal anecdotes
I’m not joking look up “gender is a social construct” and you’ll also get that literal sex is also a social construct. You can’t deny biological sex then say that it doesn’t exist.
It takes quite a bit of mental gymnastics to say that medicine has "failed women" when their life expectancy and health outcomes are so much better than men's.
No, men dying earlier is not down to medical bias. Also, there are entire books written on medical misogyny. Nothing to do with "mental gymnastics." Read some history.
@Tnkrhll I didn't "scream misandry"; I questioned supposed misogyny. Of the top ten leading non-accidental causes of death men are more likely to die than women from nine of them; when it comes to heart disease men and women are tied. Women's health also gets more research and funding and has government agencies specifically dedicated to it unlike men's health.
@Tnkrhll No, you really didn't address what I said, because what I said was that men die of NON-ACCIDENTAL i.e. medical problems more frequently than women, in other words you can't blame men's lower life expectancies solely on riskier behavior and taking on more dangerous jobs. Men being more reluctant to seek medical care may partially explain that (which you blame on "toxic masculinity" which are traits women prefer and have selected for) but it doesn't explain the entirety of it. Since women already enjoy better health than men (and we spend way more on their health than men's) how much better will their outcomes have to be before you let go of your narrative?
Maybe if they ask you where it hurts, you tell them where it hurts. Also, the arrogance of the scientific method is the arrogance of reality. Would you prefer a doctor who peers into the spirit world?
The scientific method relies on sensory input which is then interpreted by the brain. Human brains are known to have biases, and so the way they interpret data and testimony can be biased. Any scientist worth their salt would admit this is true. No one is talking about using unscientific methods, just to examine the biases that have been shown to exist through tons of studies.
After giving birth the first time, my doctor took it upon himself to give me the “husband stitch” and it’s caused me pain and suffering for years and years. This conversation is long overdue and I hope we don’t stop talking about it. People deserve better care period. Enough about medicine being an industry and more about it being a service for the betterment of society.
What. In the . Actual fuck. I would sue
Please tell me you sued?
@@wayln2591 it’s actually hard to prove, and not easy to sue a doctor for unfortunately. I went through a deep state of depression over it and looked into suing, but never did. I know I’m not alone because I googled it and found a lot of similar stories to mine. It’s sad this is a thing that actually happens. Also, the extra stitch doesn’t do anything for anyone. It’s just nasty he ever thought to do it
I'm so sorry that happened to you.
Wow that's totally disgusting! My wife was stitched up, but that's because they had to cut her downwards to allow my daughter's very large head (ouch) to emerge safely (without serious tearing). Honestly sex has been better for her, and therefore for me, after our first kid. Can't imagine a doctor diddling with my wife to make her tighter, that's just sick.
I don't have lupus, but I do have endo and PCOS, among other conditions. The ignorance, stigma, and dismissal surrounding both conditions is frustrating. It took forever to find a doctor who would take me seriously, and then another long stretch of time before definitive diagnoses arrived. Thank you for discussing this critically important topic.
@@rbz8051 It really is. And that's not even considering how lonely it can be feeling like everyone else is just as dismissive or hurtful as the doctors we've tried...and thus like we can't talk about what's wrong without getting told how "impolite" it is. (That's been my experience anyway, with psychiatric and AFAB/gyno issues.)
As a male, I've personally found most doctors to be arrogant and dismissive of whatever health concerns I'm presenting. Their arrogance has lead to misdiagnosis at least 5 out of 6 times. I imagine this is severely worse for women.
@@mjchakos1 personal experiences are all we have to go by, are they not?
@@mjchakos1 It sounds like you disagree with the premise of this segment, that's when you want to avoid using anecdotes to make your point. If you want to convince someone that systemic misogyny is _not_ a problem in the medical industry, how about _you_ supply the supporting data and statistics?
@@carolyntalbot947 You might want to buff up on your reading comprehension Carol.
It took me over 10 years to get my MS diagnosis & still have my pain dismissed. I haven't had a pain free moment in over 16 years... I'm not even 35 yet.
As a Black man, I have never felt heard by doctors. There is always an assumption that I'm just looking for meds (which I never get). It's even worse for my mother. She was in severe pain after her heart surgery but was told she had to just tough it out. We went back and he wrote a prescription for the pain. She took the medication, but didn't feel any better. We talked to a family friend who is a pharmacist and he informed us that her pain med was a placebo. I went off on her doctor, who then finally wrote her a real prescription and surprise surprise, my mother's pain was managed. It only took a week of unnecessary visits and investigating to get a low dose pain medication for her heart surgery recovery.
Thank you for this conversation
I'm really glad that this subject is getting attention; such a great guest as well. It's wild and scary that this is still happening, it's like a holdover from the 1800's.
Thank you so much for addressing this, it is a subject I have a lot of personal experience with. It was only a few years ago that I realized black women have been dismissed and denied proper medical care and research to an even _greater_ degree (thank you Wanda Sykes, for speaking up.)
On the one hand, medical professionals are notoriously dismissive of non-specific and seemingly harmless symptoms.
On the other hand, Lupus is rare enough for Dr. House to make "It's never Lupus" a catchphrase.
You would think with all the atrocities that medical scientists committed on black women in America for the sake of progress would have helped them step up their game.
My older daughter has a rare set of diseases that are only recently becoming well understood. It was a very painful process for several of her years as a pre-teen and teenager, and even now family has a hard time accepting the reality we live with every day. Taking us seriously about her needs.
Multiple sclerosis is a serious neurological disorder that is autoimmune. It is more common in women. It was thought to be more common in men until the MRI was developed. The women were simply ignored
Male doctors often dont get womens pain and assume its period pain or nothing serious :( Thank you so much for speaking about this
I have definitely noticed this with doctors as a woman. Surprisingly, it wasn't necessarily male doctors that were the problem for me. Often, male doctors, although they appeared to be clueless, did try their best to diagnose my various problems. The worst offenders (just in MY experience) were female doctors who were dismissive. Not all of them by any means! But the two who were quickest to dismiss my problems as anxiety were women.
It's been interesting to see as I've transitioned from male to female to see how doctors' respect for me as a patient has decreased
Tuition free college would solve this. If everyone had the same opportunity to become a doctor, more people would do it because they care, not because of the money or status
Nurse practitioner or physicians assistant is a cheaper route and are replacing doctors in some places
@@macberry4048nurse practioners and physician assistants are not doctors. Which means if they can't help the patient, the patient now has to wait to see an actual doctor. So while they are cheaper, going that route would unnecessarliy prolong medical care.
If you genuinely want to cut costs, how about pushing for a Japanese-modeled health insurance plan. This can be accomplished by removing general practice doctors and requiring every doctor specialize in some type of medicine. That way when you schedule an appointment, you immediately get seen by a specialist. No more:
•referrals (administration costs)
•waiting (health risk)
•paperwork (administration cost)
We would allow have to adopt a universal healthcare program first though.
This… has been my experience my whole life. I am 33 now and still do not get listened to. It makes me so angry.
thank you for doing this segment
Thank you for addressing this topic. Sex (not gender) is an important category that can’t be ignored or women will continue to suffer.
I feel like adequate health care is a luxury and the only time in my life that I had it was when I was trading my services with a naturopathic doctor which helped me immensely but after a few years, I moved out of state and now I can't work or afford a naturopathic dr and I feel scared to go to any doctors or hospitals because I feel that it will be rushed and something will go wrong. If I mention anything about what I think might be going on with my body, doctors get irritated that you think you can know when they have the phd. It's not worth it for me. Hopefully once something does go wrong, I will die quickly.
omg im so early and im not even subscribed i was just lurking after the steven crowder thing hahahah
lol yeah, so funny
Rlly hope more people watch this
Ironically enough, I've had issues of not being taken seriously, being dismissed, and even being outright shamed by my doctors. Me being male and them being female. I've also had some of the best experiences with female doctors as well. Thus far, my male doctors have largely been average to good.
I'll never forget when I limped for 2 years and my doctor told me to juststretchlol. Best I ever got was an xray, but honestly I really needed psychological care most of all. Or the time the Urologist essentially just scolded me like a child for half an hour over nothing.
My experiences in mind, it would completely make sense that medicine is likely gendered even worse for women in their own twisted way. If my bad experiences have kept me from seeking care as much as they have, I can only imagine what a more extreme case could do.
the medical profession is so expensive to enter , so doctors in general practice have to push patients through fast many errors occur!
Yupppppppppppp. Wait till ya hear about ehlers danlos syndrome and the cover up. Dupont. Aka Joe Manchin's best bud. Not to mention all the dysautonomia is most commonly post viral in nature. (She totally has dysautonomia/POTS, btw)
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How has medicine failed women? Your talking about doctors, that is not medicine. I know your Americans, but what the f....... is this?
Medicine the field, not medicine the drug substances. English is an absolute mess of a language
@@CarbonMage yes, I understand. The doctors failed them, not medicine in either context was my point.
Do you not know how hard it is to diagnose some of these conditions? In medicine, we're taught to think horses not zebras when we hear hooves. Rheumatological conditions, which predominantly affect women, are notoriously non-specific in their presentations. Yes of course there is misogyny in medicine but I think you can also overestimate how common and pervasive it is when you base your opinions on these personal anecdotes
How about that circumcision. Maybe there should be equality in that too.
It's way more painful when done during adulthood 😉
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Didn’t a bunch of articles saying sex is a social construct? So which is it?
Gender, not sex.
I’m not joking look up “gender is a social construct” and you’ll also get that literal sex is also a social construct.
You can’t deny biological sex then say that it doesn’t exist.
I meant sex, sorry. Their is literally a Forbes article saying that.
@@shanemac1646 - Got a link? Gender is a social construct. Sex is undeniable.
@@rtphotos4691 You see the article I sent? I'm not here knocking anyone, but now people are saying sex is a social construct.
It takes quite a bit of mental gymnastics to say that medicine has "failed women" when their life expectancy and health outcomes are so much better than men's.
No, men dying earlier is not down to medical bias. Also, there are entire books written on medical misogyny. Nothing to do with "mental gymnastics." Read some history.
@Tnkrhll I didn't "scream misandry"; I questioned supposed misogyny. Of the top ten leading non-accidental causes of death men are more likely to die than women from nine of them; when it comes to heart disease men and women are tied. Women's health also gets more research and funding and has government agencies specifically dedicated to it unlike men's health.
@Tnkrhll No, you really didn't address what I said, because what I said was that men die of NON-ACCIDENTAL i.e. medical problems more frequently than women, in other words you can't blame men's lower life expectancies solely on riskier behavior and taking on more dangerous jobs. Men being more reluctant to seek medical care may partially explain that (which you blame on "toxic masculinity" which are traits women prefer and have selected for) but it doesn't explain the entirety of it.
Since women already enjoy better health than men (and we spend way more on their health than men's) how much better will their outcomes have to be before you let go of your narrative?
Maybe if they ask you where it hurts, you tell them where it hurts. Also, the arrogance of the scientific method is the arrogance of reality. Would you prefer a doctor who peers into the spirit world?
The scientific method relies on sensory input which is then interpreted by the brain. Human brains are known to have biases, and so the way they interpret data and testimony can be biased. Any scientist worth their salt would admit this is true. No one is talking about using unscientific methods, just to examine the biases that have been shown to exist through tons of studies.