@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming Ethereal Crucifix is amazing in the first few Darkest Dungeon quests where there is not only many eldritch enemies, but also lots of nasty bleeds.
I sometimes just put the cleansing chrystal on my occultist to reduce the chance of him bleeding my party with wyrd reconstruction. The debuff/blight/bleed resist is more of a bonus
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming Same works for support Flagellant, the combined +bleed resist and -bleed chance makes it basically impossible for him to bleed himself with Reclaim.
This is a great breakdown. I've never once got the Tempting Goblet. I'm very ambivalent about the Heads but always feel reluctant to sell them for some reason. I use Junia's Head but neither of the others.
The protection head is by far the worst and the damage one can get iffy with the reduction in hp and increase in stress damage. The tempting goblet I had to turn off the torch and have the dlc active. Not sure if those are the conditions for it but it's what I did.
HiDdeN SQuiDZ Gaming If you slap Barristan’s Head and the Ancestor’s Coat on a Leper or Crusader you have an absurdly good tank. I definitely prefer Barristan’s head to the Tough Ring.
Good video. Some notes: Book of sanity is great for flag. He "trade" stress with allies, so any -stress buff for him is a bless. Cleansing crystall great not for tanks and large hp guys, but for squishy guys like GR or even jester, who can take a crit to deathdoor, have dot on him, act before healer and die. If you use him mainly for buff and stress heal its great item despite bleed chance debuff. Heros ring is indeed cheese item. But great in general, even in late game. With good stress heal and just one ring in party you can cheese virtue for ALL you heroes. Especially with Valiant Spirit event.
Legendary bracer is a great item for party comps that depend on having one hero move before/after the other. I use it on my vestal/ x3 crusader group on the 2nd one, which both makes their holy lance stronger, and makes it so the third crusader will almost always get the second one in position to loop lances
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming I've got a Leper with the Deadly + Precision Striker quirks who usually use Focus Ring. He ate Shamblers as breakfast. Unfortunately he also ate my Crusader when his Crimson Curse was acting up. I hate this game, sometimes.
Martyrs Seal might be better than you think. Consider it versus Overture Box (who you said to slap on anyone): both give 15% health. MS gives 2 damage buffs on DD, and Death Blow resist. OB gives some dodge but loses accuracy. Obviously those buffs are conditional (and very strong when they kick in) but there's also no debuff. I think people tend to view MS as too gimmicky to exploit, when I see it like a free HP boost that could also save your ass.
The seal can definitely offer more if you are to go to death's door. I don't know if minus 2 accuracy is too terrible but it it is a debuff. I guess the main question is do value 8 Dodge over 12 death's door resistance. Thank you for posting!
A couple of things I thought of/wanted to correct: The Ethereal Crucifix would be good for the darkest dungeon, but the hp removal is still scary since they can do both heavy bleed dot and raw physical damage in there. 15:44 I mention about Dismas's head not doing physical damage well, I meant that taking physical damage is not done so well with -10% hp. Then for the Tempting Goblet, it is 3 speed and 8 dodge, at one point I swap the two. Thank you for watching!
Clensing crystal also works well on say, a jester with bloody dice or a flaggy with a shard of glass. While you do get a small hit your bleed chance you're still coming up positive on the bleed chance but now you make up against the bleed chance and you get a boost against blight and debuff. One thing I like to do with the book of sanity is just combo with with the Legendary Bracer. +20% damage and -10% stress with just a -1 speed penalty is pretty nice. I also have a cresendo box and sometimes it's +15% damage and +2 speed with -10% stress which is also nice. Otherwise I tend to put the book of sanity on underleveled heroes to offset the stress they eat upon entering the dungeon.
ohhh man, the elusive madman boxes. I just completed a stygian run without ever getting one. So, I know killing the torch can get you more loot and even better trinkets, but you say it can also increase the chance of getting a box?I read somewhere that theres always a 3% chance. I think ill keep that in mind for my next play through. I enjoyed the video by the way, great job!
I'm not sure about the boxes exactly. I've never kept any numbers but I usually kill enough madman in light to a get a box or two throughout my playthrough. I'm surprised you didn't get one at all. And thank you!
Weirdly enough I just did a Cove run and picked up a box. There was a Madman fight BUT the box came from a random encounter not the fight with him in it. I don't know how that happened. I'm playing Stygian but I was at +75 light and it was Apprentice level.
I've never gotten one of these music boxes, wiki says that madmen drop them - slayed maybe 200-300 of them so far. With 3% chance (darkestdungeon.gamepedia.com says its actually around 4%) I should have at least 6 by now, though luck!
@Krzysztof Grudzien Hard to say. When things are left to pure rng, it appears it can differ from player to player greatly. I cannot believe you have not gotten one yet :(.
I think your chance to drop box increase with the dungeon difficulty, the 4% applies to level 5 dungeons, and is much lower on the previous difficulties.
from 1st page i like garlic and focus ring, rarely for weird inventory mixing strats hero ring is fine dont like but sometimes using legendary bracer i have all 3 boxes and using only 2 dynamic ones, -stress is good, but virtue +25% was alvays better for me heads are barely useable, funny how you can made Dismas carry his own head, Julia head is good, but there is ancestor healing item or crystal book from color madness Tempting Goblet, never freaking lucky with it, but +25% stress is too mush every ancestor trinket is good or useable i rl like MAP, PEN, ring, candle and scroll
Some common trinkets are so simple I don't think they come with as many weird side effects like the higher levels. A lot of the higher levels have significant trade off values for their significant gains. It can be weird, but I think that is why some are better or not as detrimental.
I got an idea to put the Focus Ring on my Vestal. There are so few ways to raise general crit, and heal crits are amazing for stress and staying healthy. Should put her at 10% base heal, and at 4 hits with the group heal that should provide a lot of health and stress relief over a dungeon. Extra healing and crits for stress should mitigate the effects of the Dodge penalty as well. And, of course, the offensive benefits aren't negligible either. Chance to hit and crit should be very useful, and Judgement in particular will gain have extra chances to benefit on both ends (to hit and crit, and to crit heal). Yeah, I'm liking this idea.
@stuflames I thought they patched that out (I did not play the game when it first came out). According to the current wiki (which may be wrong) healing skills critical strike chances should be fixed and not affected by critical strike modifiers. However, running with the idea of the focus ring on the vestal still isn't bad for her stun. A critical strike stun for 160% stun chance is really good and this trinket certainly allows it to hit.
martyr seal is really cool on leper and jester if you are feeling lucky, you can do some crazy damage, and the leper can quickly heal himself if you need to.
I find the martyr seal to be honestly trash unless a character has increased deathblow resistance. The martyr seal has always dissapointed me in the sense that when I "appropriately" use it, the character dies nonetheless. Its such a risky gamble for an item that is mediocre at best.
I am not sure if they drop rates are true or not, but it is not that hard to kill 20 madmen and I believe that number would increase in pitch dark conditions.
I got two of the boxes and I did not know they were that rare. Even stranger I got both at 75% of the torch im pretty sure, and I dont imagine that increases the chances a whole lot 😶
You can get almost every trinket in this game at 75% torch the only one I find super difficult is the tempting goblet. That I had to kill the torch for.
I think you missed the point of the martyr's seal, it's description is a little misleading, and to prove my point I'll compare it to a very similiar item, a tough ring, I think it's fair to compare these two, since they are both supposed to make your character tankier, both of these give you +15% HP, and some other form of survivability 10% prot and 12% death blow resist (imo db resist is better then prot unless you stack it really high). Practically identical items, but then tough ring comes with a downside, it reduces your damage and also makes your character take more stress damage, while it's counterpart doesn't have any of those, and insead gives you a really big power boost, which you aren't required to use after all, you can just heal this character back up, and use this as a last resort in a pinch. Now to some practical uses: Flagellant - he has the best synergy with it, since he is often low HP and doesn't get penalties from death's door. His exsanguinate on death's door can absolutely demolish practically anything, while healing him back up, he will also be sitting on a 85% death blow resist Man at arms - he likes the tank stats, and has a riposte which can benefit from the damage buff Vestal - tank stats are good, also she can heal herself off death's door with judgement Shieldbreaker - if the enemy has no dot damage, she can cheese some free hits by protecting herself from damage with serpent sway, and hitting with the damage buff, without the risk of dying and of course, the tank stats are nice
I read your post. I haven't really used the martyr's seal that way, so I can't really say much about it, however I take your word that it works well. Thank you for sharing!
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming is a old game (not very old) in steam ho has being in beta for years and for that reason is not very popular. The delay in the development and the size of the game make the developers be to late. But is a very good game. Is like the dark souls of dark souls. You are alone in a desértiic wasteland off a old prosper empire ho fall. The world is full of weird animals and strange races. And nobody tells you about what happened or for what reason. But that's not the important thing. The game is like dark souls mixed with the sims mixed with that movie of a inmortal samurai. The thing is that have a incredible world with 800km² of bandits and factions with their own lore. And you can do practically everything. Make your own army and destroy them all, join them. Or just decide that you dont give a fuck the war and you want to be a monk ho try to make the world peaceful. Or a bounty hunter ho become a hero. Or a Dealer ho enter naruto running in a city with 140kg of hash(literally) and the funny thing is your interaction with the world. And how that changes all. The combat system is automatic. Based on the skills of your party and the way to improve that skills is : making the thing you want to improve. I mean, if you want to be a blade master you cant just take a one handed weapon and use it because deals more dmg but you change to the sword because looks cooler. No, here if you are a blade master of the plank and get a katana you literally suck. And you can make a team of multiple playable characters ho have their own abilities. When you get them you can modify them ass you want except race change(when you buy a friend{yup here even friends are buy able} you have total control of him. The same control you have over your character. with a lot of mods to modify it and make it look crazy. Like a mod called Fantasy Razes ho adds Hobbits, elves, dwarfs, goblins and that kind of races. Amd a lot of weapon expansions. If you ever want to play it please record it. I want to see how depends on RNG of 20 hungry balds beating your ass off with rusty iron sticks. But first see how it is
@@pavlasiu7705 I will look it up this weekend. I do like the souls game, as I am playing Sekiro pretty hard right now, but the game sounds interesting.
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming i said the dark souls of dark souls becouse is so hard. But dont even is a "souls" game. And you need a lot of hours to play it. Maybe becouse start a new country being a hungry naked guy with a stick is hard
It's so damn hard to listen to you over explain EVERY detail, I get it, some trinkets are good with certain classes, but do you have to spend 3 minutes taking about the Martyrs Seal being the best with Flagellant....God damn, I nearly fell asleep...
Thank you for your feedback. I will try to look out for things like that in the future, since I do review and edit sections before their release in videos like this.
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An important thing to note about the Martyr's seal is that it has no downsides, it gives +15% HP for free.
Doesn't Flagellant only get rapturous? Meaning +virtue would be wasted on him
Yes that is true I forget about that sometimes :(. Thank you for pointing that out for the community.
Ethereal Crucifix works well on a Leper, because he has the HP to spare, and it offsets his in-built weakness to bleed effects.
He certainly does have the hp for it. It would be great in the darkest dungeon areas!
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming Ethereal Crucifix is amazing in the first few Darkest Dungeon quests where there is not only many eldritch enemies, but also lots of nasty bleeds.
I sometimes just put the cleansing chrystal on my occultist to reduce the chance of him bleeding my party with wyrd reconstruction. The debuff/blight/bleed resist is more of a bonus
That's a pretty cool use didn't think of that. Thank you!
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming Same works for support Flagellant, the combined +bleed resist and -bleed chance makes it basically impossible for him to bleed himself with Reclaim.
@@Klaital1 He already bleeds enemies so easily that it really doesn't matter that he gets reduced bleeding chance
I use the ethereal cross on the occultist and pair it with his eldritch hating incense. Works great in the cove.
Plus it makes highly unlikely for him to be bleeded by your local buddy Mr. Crabs
@@Lex-bb2tb SpongeBoi-me-Bob, I've run out of ketamine, and I need to sell your liver before I experience withdrawal.
This is a great breakdown. I've never once got the Tempting Goblet. I'm very ambivalent about the Heads but always feel reluctant to sell them for some reason. I use Junia's Head but neither of the others.
The protection head is by far the worst and the damage one can get iffy with the reduction in hp and increase in stress damage. The tempting goblet I had to turn off the torch and have the dlc active. Not sure if those are the conditions for it but it's what I did.
You're better off keeping them. The trapezohedron are worth more so keeping the heads will make the collector and secret rooms give only the gems.
HiDdeN SQuiDZ Gaming If you slap Barristan’s Head and the Ancestor’s Coat on a Leper or Crusader you have an absurdly good tank. I definitely prefer Barristan’s head to the Tough Ring.
Good video. Some notes:
Book of sanity is great for flag. He "trade" stress with allies, so any -stress buff for him is a bless.
Cleansing crystall great not for tanks and large hp guys, but for squishy guys like GR or even jester, who can take a crit to deathdoor, have dot on him, act before healer and die. If you use him mainly for buff and stress heal its great item despite bleed chance debuff.
Heros ring is indeed cheese item. But great in general, even in late game. With good stress heal and just one ring in party you can cheese virtue for ALL you heroes. Especially with Valiant Spirit event.
That is true, I did not think necessarily about squishier individuals who could get DOT damage and near or at deaths door. Thank you.
Legendary bracer is a great item for party comps that depend on having one hero move before/after the other. I use it on my vestal/ x3 crusader group on the 2nd one, which both makes their holy lance stronger, and makes it so the third crusader will almost always get the second one in position to loop lances
The minus speed is really nice and I do that for CoM.
A lot to take in, but great amount of knowledge and discussion here :) Much appreciated.
Focus ring is just pure awesomeness. Especially in the hands of a Leper.
Focus rings are life for champion level dungeons. It's hard to pick a trinket over them sometimes
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming I've got a Leper with the Deadly + Precision Striker quirks who usually use Focus Ring. He ate Shamblers as breakfast. Unfortunately he also ate my Crusader when his Crimson Curse was acting up. I hate this game, sometimes.
Martyrs Seal might be better than you think. Consider it versus Overture Box (who you said to slap on anyone): both give 15% health. MS gives 2 damage buffs on DD, and Death Blow resist. OB gives some dodge but loses accuracy. Obviously those buffs are conditional (and very strong when they kick in) but there's also no debuff. I think people tend to view MS as too gimmicky to exploit, when I see it like a free HP boost that could also save your ass.
The seal can definitely offer more if you are to go to death's door. I don't know if minus 2 accuracy is too terrible but it it is a debuff. I guess the main question is do value 8 Dodge over 12 death's door resistance. Thank you for posting!
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming Thanks for your content dude
A couple of things I thought of/wanted to correct:
The Ethereal Crucifix would be good for the darkest dungeon, but the hp removal is still scary since they can do both heavy bleed dot and raw physical damage in there.
15:44 I mention about Dismas's head not doing physical damage well, I meant that taking physical damage is not done so well with -10% hp.
Then for the Tempting Goblet, it is 3 speed and 8 dodge, at one point I swap the two. Thank you for watching!
If I'm not mistaken Flagellant can't get virtue, only Rupturous affliction? (or something like that)
Clensing crystal also works well on say, a jester with bloody dice or a flaggy with a shard of glass. While you do get a small hit your bleed chance you're still coming up positive on the bleed chance but now you make up against the bleed chance and you get a boost against blight and debuff.
One thing I like to do with the book of sanity is just combo with with the Legendary Bracer. +20% damage and -10% stress with just a -1 speed penalty is pretty nice. I also have a cresendo box and sometimes it's +15% damage and +2 speed with -10% stress which is also nice. Otherwise I tend to put the book of sanity on underleveled heroes to offset the stress they eat upon entering the dungeon.
Books of sanity are really good for the countering the stress increasing trinkets if heroes are prone to stress attacks for sure.
I use etherial crucifix on my crusader and a health trinket so it somewhat balances out the -20% health.
I could see that. It just never clicked for me that's all.
ohhh man, the elusive madman boxes. I just completed a stygian run without ever getting one. So, I know killing the torch can get you more loot and even better trinkets, but you say it can also increase the chance of getting a box?I read somewhere that theres always a 3% chance. I think ill keep that in mind for my next play through. I enjoyed the video by the way, great job!
I'm not sure about the boxes exactly. I've never kept any numbers but I usually kill enough madman in light to a get a box or two throughout my playthrough. I'm surprised you didn't get one at all. And thank you!
Weirdly enough I just did a Cove run and picked up a box. There was a Madman fight BUT the box came from a random encounter not the fight with him in it. I don't know how that happened. I'm playing Stygian but I was at +75 light and it was Apprentice level.
I've never gotten one of these music boxes, wiki says that madmen drop them - slayed maybe 200-300 of them so far. With 3% chance (darkestdungeon.gamepedia.com says its actually around 4%) I should have at least 6 by now, though luck!
@Krzysztof Grudzien Hard to say. When things are left to pure rng, it appears it can differ from player to player greatly. I cannot believe you have not gotten one yet :(.
I think your chance to drop box increase with the dungeon difficulty, the 4% applies to level 5 dungeons, and is much lower on the previous difficulties.
from 1st page i like garlic and focus ring, rarely for weird inventory mixing strats hero ring is fine
dont like but sometimes using legendary bracer
i have all 3 boxes and using only 2 dynamic ones, -stress is good, but virtue +25% was alvays better for me
heads are barely useable, funny how you can made Dismas carry his own head, Julia head is good, but there is ancestor healing item or crystal book from color madness
Tempting Goblet, never freaking lucky with it, but +25% stress is too mush
every ancestor trinket is good or useable i rl like MAP, PEN, ring, candle and scroll
Regarding the Dismas head, it is amusing to think about. I feel like the game should have added more stress if he holds it.
I wonder how Flagellant would look at Tempting Goblet :) *HEART ATTACK INTENSIFIES!*
Easy way to rapturous :)
I dont understand why some more common trinkets (like the heavy boots I think they are called) are better than the very rare ones
Some common trinkets are so simple I don't think they come with as many weird side effects like the higher levels. A lot of the higher levels have significant trade off values for their significant gains. It can be weird, but I think that is why some are better or not as detrimental.
I got an idea to put the Focus Ring on my Vestal.
There are so few ways to raise general crit, and heal crits are amazing for stress and staying healthy. Should put her at 10% base heal, and at 4 hits with the group heal that should provide a lot of health and stress relief over a dungeon.
Extra healing and crits for stress should mitigate the effects of the Dodge penalty as well.
And, of course, the offensive benefits aren't negligible either. Chance to hit and crit should be very useful, and Judgement in particular will gain have extra chances to benefit on both ends (to hit and crit, and to crit heal).
Yeah, I'm liking this idea.
10% base *crit
@stuflames I thought they patched that out (I did not play the game when it first came out). According to the current wiki (which may be wrong) healing skills critical strike chances should be fixed and not affected by critical strike modifiers. However, running with the idea of the focus ring on the vestal still isn't bad for her stun. A critical strike stun for 160% stun chance is really good and this trinket certainly allows it to hit.
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming too bad.
Thanks for confirmation. I suspected as much after trying it out.
I'd run Ethereal Crucifix on a super tanky character in the cove or the DD (especially since they have so many bleed attacks)
Darkest dungeon forever!! I play this in my vita =)
martyr seal is really cool on leper and jester if you are feeling lucky, you can do some crazy damage, and the leper can quickly heal himself if you need to.
I find the martyr seal to be honestly trash unless a character has increased deathblow resistance. The martyr seal has always dissapointed me in the sense that when I "appropriately" use it, the character dies nonetheless. Its such a risky gamble for an item that is mediocre at best.
I put it on my Flagellant along with his rare character item to give him 91 deathblow resist. He died on his second hit on deaths door.
@@MechWarrior894 I think that deathblow caps at 86% or 88%
The martyr seal is a must have for sunward isles mod, there's a boss where having it makes the fight much easier.
any video teach us what item should we touch in the map, and what item should use on thoes?
Yeah I can do that. I'll do the wiki but mix it with gameplay to be a little more interesting.
Download darkest companion, helps a lot
Very nice yes
Thank you!
4% Damn. I have an Aria box in current playthrough. Did not know it was that hard to nab.
I am not sure if they drop rates are true or not, but it is not that hard to kill 20 madmen and I believe that number would increase in pitch dark conditions.
I got two of the boxes and I did not know they were that rare. Even stranger I got both at 75% of the torch im pretty sure, and I dont imagine that increases the chances a whole lot 😶
You can get almost every trinket in this game at 75% torch the only one I find super difficult is the tempting goblet. That I had to kill the torch for.
I think you missed the point of the martyr's seal, it's description is a little misleading, and to prove my point I'll compare it to a very similiar item, a tough ring, I think it's fair to compare these two, since they are both supposed to make your character tankier, both of these give you +15% HP, and some other form of survivability 10% prot and 12% death blow resist (imo db resist is better then prot unless you stack it really high). Practically identical items, but then tough ring comes with a downside, it reduces your damage and also makes your character take more stress damage, while it's counterpart doesn't have any of those, and insead gives you a really big power boost, which you aren't required to use after all, you can just heal this character back up, and use this as a last resort in a pinch.
Now to some practical uses:
Flagellant - he has the best synergy with it, since he is often low HP and doesn't get penalties from death's door. His exsanguinate on death's door can absolutely demolish practically anything, while healing him back up, he will also be sitting on a 85% death blow resist
Man at arms - he likes the tank stats, and has a riposte which can benefit from the damage buff
Vestal - tank stats are good, also she can heal herself off death's door with judgement
Shieldbreaker - if the enemy has no dot damage, she can cheese some free hits by protecting herself from damage with serpent sway, and hitting with the damage buff, without the risk of dying and of course, the tank stats are nice
tldr; martyr's seal is basically an upgraded tough ring
I read your post. I haven't really used the martyr's seal that way, so I can't really say much about it, however I take your word that it works well. Thank you for sharing!
They just NERF every 4kcn day all trinkets...
Did yo know about kenshi?
Sorry I missed this, and no I do not.
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming is a old game (not very old) in steam ho has being in beta for years and for that reason is not very popular. The delay in the development and the size of the game make the developers be to late. But is a very good game. Is like the dark souls of dark souls. You are alone in a desértiic wasteland off a old prosper empire ho fall. The world is full of weird animals and strange races. And nobody tells you about what happened or for what reason. But that's not the important thing. The game is like dark souls mixed with the sims mixed with that movie of a inmortal samurai. The thing is that have a incredible world with 800km² of bandits and factions with their own lore. And you can do practically everything. Make your own army and destroy them all, join them. Or just decide that you dont give a fuck the war and you want to be a monk ho try to make the world peaceful. Or a bounty hunter ho become a hero.
Or a Dealer ho enter naruto running in a city with 140kg of hash(literally) and the funny thing is your interaction with the world. And how that changes all. The combat system is automatic. Based on the skills of your party and the way to improve that skills is : making the thing you want to improve. I mean, if you want to be a blade master you cant just take a one handed weapon and use it because deals more dmg but you change to the sword because looks cooler. No, here if you are a blade master of the plank and get a katana you literally suck. And you can make a team of multiple playable characters ho have their own abilities. When you get them you can modify them ass you want except race change(when you buy a friend{yup here even friends are buy able} you have total control of him. The same control you have over your character. with a lot of mods to modify it and make it look crazy. Like a mod called Fantasy Razes ho adds Hobbits, elves, dwarfs, goblins and that kind of races. Amd a lot of weapon expansions. If you ever want to play it please record it. I want to see how depends on RNG of 20 hungry balds beating your ass off with rusty iron sticks. But first see how it is
@@pavlasiu7705 I will look it up this weekend. I do like the souls game, as I am playing Sekiro pretty hard right now, but the game sounds interesting.
@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming i said the dark souls of dark souls becouse is so hard. But dont even is a "souls" game. And you need a lot of hours to play it. Maybe becouse start a new country being a hungry naked guy with a stick is hard
It's so damn hard to listen to you over explain EVERY detail, I get it, some trinkets are good with certain classes, but do you have to spend 3 minutes taking about the Martyrs Seal being the best with Flagellant....God damn, I nearly fell asleep...
Thank you for your feedback. I will try to look out for things like that in the future, since I do review and edit sections before their release in videos like this.