Japan's New Mogami-class FFM at IODS 2024 in Australia
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- Опубліковано 21 лис 2024
- Japan's Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) at the Indian Ocean Defence & Security Conference 2024 in Perth, Western Australia, was showcasing the Mogami frigate-successor previously known as "New FFM". The Mogami-class is one of the candidates for Australia's SEA 3000 program / "Tier 2"-requirement intended to supplement "Tier 1"-combatants such as the Hobart-class AAW destroyer and the "Hunter"-class ASW-frigate.
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Japan has pretty impressive naval ship construction rate, at 1 (5-6,000-tonne) Mogami frigate per year; actually, it could construct more if there is funding. What is also notable is the ships are delivered on budget and on time. This capability is different from many Western European countries.
didn't he say they expected to make a ship every six months until the delivery is complete in 2027?
*2 frigates per year, and actually their shipyards are able to make 3 ships/year (2 in nagasaki, 1 in tamano)
In 2025, Mitsubishi's Kure shipyard will build 3 classes of escorts at the same time, FFM, FFM-AW and ASEV.
JMU's Tamano shipyard in 2025 will build FFM-AW and ASEV and the new tanker vessel.
The JMU shipyard in Yokohama will build the first two OPV units in 2025.
BTW that is just MHI, it isn't the entirety of Japan, MHI has the contract to make the Mogami.
There is also Japan Marine United, which makes the huge Aegis destroyers, and the Izumo carrier etc.
The new Taigei submarines have been being built at the same time as well, MHI launching the first one October of 2020, just 1 month prior to their launching of the second Mogami.
The second Taigei is build by Kawasaki Heavy Industries. The third will be made by MHI again, they split the submarine amount between those two companies.
Also coming up is the building of the two 12,000 ton ASEV's, basically larger versions of the Maya, and specialising almost entirely on missile defence. The first will be built by MHI, the second by JMU.
Can built much more ,.but for now 2 frigate per year and if they going to build ddg it 1 per years , but they can built much more if need m
What really make the Mogami powerful, will be the type 17 SSM upgraded variant with the 900km range, as well as the new A-SAM missile, which is a naval boosted variant of the upgraded Chu-SAM.
With a low RCS and a very capable anti-ship role, these would play a pivotal role in sinking Chinese ships if war occurs.
The best choice for Australia
“The never exported choice”
The Upgraded Mogami Class Frigate is solid ! 👍
Anti-Air Warfare (✓) + Anti-Submarine Warfare (✓) + Mine Warfare (✓) + UUV and USV Capable (✓)
+ Reduce Operational Crew (✓) + Compact and Reduce RCS-Stealthy (✓). All-in-One Package!
Australia should go for this New and Improve Mogami Class FFM with 32 VLS !
This one is the best option for aus
and its never been exported...come on... you kidding right?
@@bjones5240
Overexpensive ship: 😤
Overexpensive ship, Japan: 😍
If this isn't picked by the Australian government it will be clear that they have rocks for brains. It's double the VLS of all other competitors however, less crew than all other ships... Great staff Japan!
The 4300 also has 32 cells but you are correct more crew requirements.
They better not go cheap with only a 16 VLS and 8 SSM only! but I can see Marles stuffing up every thing and ordering the least capable cheapest ship.
Ever since he has been a minister he has reduced or cancelled more than he has purchased.
Fancy scraping the whole army's battlefield helicopters with no replacement for 3 years he is one dangerous fkr..........especially in this day and age.
It's almost guaranteed they won't pick this just out of pure incompetents. It would be out of character for the ADF.
@@lancebond2338 And so has the Meko.
I feel FREMM-ITA would be a smarter choice, either the base or the EVO. FFBNW 32 cell capacity up front, but also armed with the 127mm Vulcano. Better propulsion and survivability than the CODAG of the Mogami, too.
I guess I'm just not much of a fan of the Mogami, it's not terribly innovative in any regards. Unlike the FREMM-EVO, F125/126/127, and other next-generation frigate designs coming out of Europe, it doesn't have split funnels which is a vulnerability. By the seems of the Mogami design as well, a single strike amidship by the funnel would also cripple it - a vulnerability not shared by the FREMM-ITA.
We need to buy these!
The philippines should buy 10 of these ships it would be a big help for our navy
いや、フィリピンの海にこれはオーバーパワー過ぎると思うよ、圧倒的な強さは有るけど高過ぎる。
1世代前でも充分強いし量産するならそっちの方がいいと思うぞ
Better to buy smaller autonomous systems.
There is another option is to acquire and refurbish the 6 Abukuma class, which will be retired in place of the FFMs, or transferring the Hayabusa class missile boat, which was on the Philippine gov's acquisition request list (also hayabusa class is scheduled to be retired). Though it would not be for free, haha ;-), but there might be a possibility to get it at a cheaper price, depending on inter-gov negotiations.
Well, it may be ideal for your navy to get a modified Mogami class, but it may take a long time to get it, because it is a new ship for Japan to be built in the future, so it may take a long time to get it due to the availability of dock space. Besides, it's a new type of ship, so it's expensive. If your country is looking for a quick and inexpensive way to strengthen your navy, the used Abukuma class may be a serious target.
Reinforcing naval power needs much of money and time. For example, It is said that if our country, Japan, had seriously implemented the "88 Fleet Plan" in the Taisho era, we would have gone bankrupt.
In your dream pinoy.. 10 ships is too much with pinoy budget.. U should invest more to the fighter aircraft which is your air force only operate 12 Fa-50 lca,cannot compete with pla air force in south china sea..
So you don't know that things cost money... where will you get money for those ships from
If they're half as good as their cars we ought to buy a bunch
Their military contractors usually delivered their products on time, sometimes even early. So no cost overruns.
I think these can operate with lower crew numbers
Could be a good for for new zealand
I’m hopeful Australia & New Zealand will once again partner on this.
With current warfare tactics and the budget of the NZ military these boats may be out of their range.
Lil NZ can go South Korean design fits the budget!
the RNZN does not have the manpower for its current fleet.
gorgeous.
130 meter frigate but with 90 crews only. the automation on this is something. with mark 41 VLS cells it could carry quadpack ESSM.
Australia needs this ship.
Upgraded mogami with 32vls is a beast it's perfect for ASW or Support AAW, it can be configured for AWS mission with 28 Type 07 ASR or asroc and 4 quad pack essm for air defence combine with it uuv and usv capability gonna be nightmare for north Korean submarine force. And for anti air warfare 12 quad packed essm and 20 A-SAM mogami can pack a punch as well . I think mogami is perfect for situations the houthi crisis it's a shame she didn't participate there.
are you that high?.. Sofa military strategist
@@faithosadebe5293 mind elaborating?
Current Mogami would've been pretty useless in the red sea crisis.
This upgraded one maybe, depends on what it's fitted with, for example can it deal with Ballistics
@@admiralmallard7500 that's what I said, upgraded mogami is very good for escort or area air defence due to many reasons like low cost, stealth design, electronic warfare capacity and if equip with 32 quad pack essm which totals about 128 essm mogami can be stealth floating SAM on sea perfect for escort mission. And with its capabilities of uuv and usv plus sh60 heli it would obliterated any sea drones houti might throw at him and last mogami can act as mothership as well.
@@muktadirbhuyan7281 ESSM good, though I rather be on a ship that can hit back, throw in some SM2/3/6, NSM, Tomahawks and direct energy weapons as well as the new Bofors 57/70 and 40/70mm otherwise it will only be a ship with all ears and eyes and no teeth.
Australia should look closely at this ship.
Seems FFM is the best option for Aussie's 11 general purpose frigate program. 2nd would be Spain's
Even though this is true, for some reason I doubt Australia will buy Japan's ship though. Why?
Australia is cautious of changing provider basically, Australia already has a relationship with Navantia and bought many ships off Spain, thus Australia likely will continue that instead.
It doesn't matter how amazing the Mogami are, I doubt Australia will buy them.
BTW I am Australian, and there is just some weird thing going on where our government doesn't want to buy military equipment from Japan, even when the USA told us that we should seriously consider Japan as a source for equipment etc.
Maybe there is Chinese political influence inside Australia? It's quite possible, because it seems like it is the labour party who are the leftists who usually have the anti-Japan rhetoric and make out that Australia shouldn't buy equipment from Japan, and there have been many links with Australia's leftist party to Chinese undue influence.
2nd is the Korean option, Spain is last.
The Alfa 3000 design is too small, navantia ships don’t have a great track record. I can see a pivot from europe to asia so it’s most likely the FFM or the Chungnam. Labor anti japan/pro China thing is BS, the GPF that meets all the criteria will win the contract.
Commonality doesn't matter then you're buying 11 of something.
Not to mention every ship built by Spain for Australia has been full of issues. Look into HMAS Supply and HMAS Stalwart. If Navantia thinks they are a naval ship.buiting company maybe they should learn to do basic things like allkugn propulsion plant and the shafts.
LHD have experienced huge issue too, in less than 10 years of service.
I can say almost certainly say unless Navantia pull some budgetary shinanigans the Japanese and South Korean ships are the 2 front running options. With Japan more likely.
@ziongite you're way off. Australia experimented with Navantia and are 100% not happy with that experience. Navantia just needed to fix rhe AOR but now its going to the courts. They just sunk their chance, which ironically enkugh is what they nearly did to HMAS Supply.
@@EJH_1138what about selecting BAE for Hunter? Where is that ship? Oh…
What about lurseen on OPV? Where is this?
Navantia is a proven provider of ships.
Your mention of AOR and going to court, is unfounded. The chief of Navy is on record to say how happy he has been with Navantia response to fix the issues.
The smart decision is to stay with a trusted provider
What a disgrace from the RAN not turning up in their blues...
The T31 was out of the game quite early, and they are already in with the T26 and there have been or still are some problem with that design and it doesn't help the T31 design in the competition. And it is not in service yet.
The requirment is that the ship need to be in service already, thuse already been tested and all kinks are sorted out. The only kinks they will get is the modification. Thus RAN are out, since all the frigate classes they are bulding or intending to build are not yet in service and or tested and proven to work.
The Mogami class will be competing with the MEKO and the Damen ships, which offer the same modular designs. I looked at the Damen website. I felt like I am buying a car.
I hope that the upgraded Mogami-class will be like GCAP.
My guess is that Japanese warships from the Hyuga-class onwards will be equipped with TACTICOS + Japanese-made tactical information processing system (ACDS)
In the latest model, this ACDS will be linked with a high-bandwidth tactical data link for coordinated fire control.
The next generation currently under research will be AI-enabled.
I want this ACDS to be a versatile tactical information processing device that can be customized by each country.
Since Japan is no longer a great power, it will seek cooperation with other mid-level nations.
Importantly it can also perform anti sea mine and can deploy sea mines. With Chinese grey zone warfare strategy this will be critical in the future.
Old enemies and now good mates. Kudos to Japan's naval forces.
So can the FFM Mogami also be upgraded? He said the new version is bigger, but the FFM seems to have a lot of space behind the main gun for a VLS.
The original Mogami class will/are be/being equiped with VLS, some they didn't install right away. They have said that thousand times in media.
The new FFM version is longer then Original Mogami class. The size difference is to get more internal space for variouse electronics and machinery, for newer weapons systems that Japan will/might introduce in the future. USA is starting to use laser on their destroyers and laser need quite a big of energy and the newer radars are also using more energy, thus bigger engine room for generating more energy. And that is also why the designed the enlarged version of Mogami class, just like USA is working on a DDX-class to replace current destroyers and also why constelation class is so big for the weapon package it have, Electricity-production
IN Ship Design Bureau or Indian Shipyards should collaborate with JMSDF or MHI ofr these kind of ships
I see that India has decided to buy the corner part of this ship.
Another great little video.
Submarines that launch autonomous underwater drones.
Looks good but needs more CIWS to counter drones etc. A second Phalanx what be a good addition.
the sexiset warship ever built. arm to the teeth. not easy to get sleek and clean line wo fulfill RCS requirement. it is a very difficult integration task. well done Japan
what happened to your indian warship
Amazing ship but kinda overkill for tier2 requirement.
I like the upgraded frigate
It is a good fit for the Aussies but I hope they don't go with the cheapest offered ship with only 16 VLS cells and 8 SSM.
Mogami Ship has 4 Torpedoes slot in Modern Warships
We want Yamato Battle Ship Back!!
The upgraded Mogami looks nice, i do not know or understand however why the original FFM Mogami's were so undergunned... No VLS cells with such a large ship? Fitted for but not with?
COVID-19 and budget problems.
In addition, the previous class was a minesweeper.
To counter China, the MSDF upgraded minesweepers to frigates.
Armaments were kept to a minimum due to budget acquisition formalities, and VLS was installed at a later date depending on the risk situation.
The reason why the Mogami-class is a challenging model is because the previous class was a minesweeper and a corvette, so there is a certain degree of tolerance for failure.
the VLS on the earlier FFM is on FFBNW status, it'll be equipped with VLS (this year if I'm not mistaken)
@@fujii_natsuooooo i hope so
@@AugmentedGravity Upgraded Mogami FFM is designed to be wider and longer than the current Japanese Mogani = FFM will have 32 strike length Mk 41 VLS cells and over 8 SSM maybe 12 or 16 SSM.
Japan did say they it will take longer to get them in the water than other competitors and this could be a negative, and Japan's limited ship building offset experience is a negative but I like this ship.
It's not as good as a Hunter class but acceptable.
Wish he stipulated it had to have the superior Australian radar suite CEAFAR 2.
Bet you Richard Marles goes for a competitor who can quickly manufacture a very basic cheap frigate that can be launched ASAP, with only 16VLS and 8 SSM!!!!
This is what we should get, but our defense procurement will buy the most expensive and furthest away design and the amwu and cfmeu will do the rest. We are hopeless here in Australia
Not so much the Defence Force but the Dept of Finance, cardigan wearing bean counters
They are powerful I like it
みんな興味は持つが買う所までは行かないんだよ。
防衛産業は良い物安く売っても、販売は別の話、色々あるからね、政治家の賄賂は普通の世界。。。
兵器の輸出や販売の経験が無い日本ではメンテナンスやサポートに不安があるから売れないという意見が主流だった
けど、対空レーダー一式を購入したフィリピンからはスペックだけでなくそれらで高い評価を受けてる
フィリピン艦艇の更新時期を知らないけど、オーストラリアで売れなかったとしても10～20年後の軍事費が増えたフィリピンなら買うかもね
@@zindai03 If Australia decides on the upgraded wider larger Mogami class 4 frigates will be built in Japanese shipyards and 7 in Australian shipyards ASAP.
The radar will not be Japanese but the superior Australian AESA 3D long range CEAFAR radar with 4 x AESA CEA fire control radars and many US communications and weapons systems, so entirely different and more capable beast than the current Japanese Mogami class.
@@LeonAustそれは無い、輸出した国の兵器を超えるアタッチメントは存在しません。
歴史上0です。必ず輸出する場合は最新バージョンから1段階落として輸出します。
特に兵器輸出の規制が厳しい日本が他国に情報が盛れるのを危惧して最新バージョンを送るのは絶対に無いです。これは命を懸けても言える事です
The Mogami class frigates are one of the most advanced ships in the world, but Japan has a substantial destroyer fleet and is deliberately reducing its anti-aircraft capabilities of Mogami class.
Meanwhile, Japan is switching to the next generation New-FFM after Mogami class, which I think is the cutting edge frigate Australia should get.
オーストラリアは潜水艦調達の目途は立ったんですか？
先にそちらではないでしょうか…？
あれはAUKUSでやることで決まったので
@@bemenaign5361 なるほど。原潜になったんですね。
でも民生含めて原子力使ってなかったんじゃ…自国生産も難しくなってしまったかな…
@@satotot3739 The Nuclear Virginia class submarines has been chosen, in conjunction with a Collins class sub major upgrade.
The the new AUKUS nuclear attack submarines will replace the Collins class in the future.
Australia should buy eleven of these with the 32 cell VLS.
Question did he say this ship has a middle ranged SAM?
If given a 32 x MK 41 VLS (4 x 8) are they full strike length versions or the shorter tactical versions like on the ANZAC class?
I think it's the essm block 2.
The only Japanese-made anti-aircraft missile is a long-range missile.
The domestic ASROC is 6.5m long, so the VLS is even longer than that.
@@主水-p5b ok I get that cool 👍but the ESSM missile can be fired from longer cell Mk 41 strike length version or shorter cell Mk 41 tactical length version...........what Mk41 cell version is offered on the upgraded Mogami-class? that was my Q.
The domestic ASROC (07VLA) is only compatible for Strike Length, so they should have Mk41 Strike Length version.
@@めんどり-o2x ok
I doubt a 32 VLS will suffice for post-2030 service environments.
I hope Philippine Navy can bay this capable Mogami class stealth frigates from Japan.
they can bay them, Phillippine do have an harbour. But the guestion si if they can buy it... depends on phillipines budget. And I will say it is outside their budget range. Phillipine Navy have already got 2 new frigates, some are within their budget limits. What Phillipine need to focuse on now is to what they are going to replace their corvettes with. A new build or buy a old used ship again.
If I was Phillipine navy, I would never consider big excpensive frigates. Phillipines have a lot of islands and they can use that to thir advantage by studying Norway Cold war tactics.
build 20-30 - 35 meters 45 knots fast attack crafts armed with a 40-56mm gun, anti ship missiles, radar and a MASS-system or RAM-CIWS, and yous the islands to your advantege. then have smaller groups of reserve-soldiers with local knowledge placed out islands, that can report on hostil movments but also carry Javelins etc. And use those 2 frigates and the corvettes and submariens to prevent submarine movment.
Well the AFP need a lot money for it but who knows maybe in future we will have it for our Navy
Yeah yeah, when do we get the YAMATO -CLASS SPACE BATTLESHIPS?!
Impressive
Vow nice.
The number of VLS cells is a significant matter for the USN particularly as the Ticonderoga Class Cruisers are nearly end of life. The new Constellation Frigates only include 32 VLS cells instead of 48 which the USN originally wanted.
The Japanese Mogami Class ship model looks like they have VLS but it doesn’t seem like this is a firm requirement.
If the RAN chooses the upgraded Mogami-class, what will the combat system be?
This is just my guess, but I think that the JMSDF's combat system is composed of TACTICOS + Japanese-made tactical information processing equipment from the Hyuga-class
(This is because, when I was researching TACTICOS, I found a description of the Hyuga-class, and it was also written that Japan insisted on domestically producing the core tactical information processing equipment.)
Therefore, I think there may be an option to change this Japanese-made tactical information processing equipment to an Australian-made one.
Great question the 11 x Australian ships will be fitted the Australian long range CEAFAR AESA radar system and fixed AESA FCR like on the Hunter class.
The combat system might be a possibility of the SAAB 9LV Combat Management System upgraded version or the AEGIS system.
They won’t change it. The SEA3000 project is explicitly scoped to not making changes to selected platforms. Jamming in an Australian combat system or AEGIS would be the definition of failure for this project.
I think it would be better to buy the upgraded Mogami class.
It is a ocean-going grade.
Problems such as rainwater flowing into the hangar due to the slope of the flight deck and crew dissatisfaction due to a defective diesel engine installation have been improved.
The Japanese yen is cheap and the construction period is short, so it will probably be half the price of a European ship.
Medium-sized UUVs can also be operated from the rear dock.
The flight deck is long and wide, so large transport helicopters can land.
The Mogami-class radar also doubles as a periscope detection radar, suppressing submarine reconnaissance activities within a 20km radius of the radar.
The MSDF is also considering installing laserCIWS and HPM.
It will be interesting to find out the range for the Mogami and upgraded Mogami Class. The Australian frigates they would replace have a 6,000nm range at 18 knots.
@@Sam-cn4ch
The upgraded Mogami-class will be able to reach 18 knots with just the diesel engines.
It is equipped with MT30, but I don't think it will be used except for anti-submarine operations.
The JMSDF is aiming to become a blue water navy, so there is no room for error.
旭日旗が美しい❤🎉
These sound like a good ship but I would hate to be a boatswain on one. You would be run off your feet with only 90 crew. Forget about damage control.
その懸念はもっともですが、先進国の少子化が深刻になった現代では受け入れるべきリスクでしょう。
もがみ型FFMはそれらの理由から非常に野心的なシステムを取り入れた戦闘艦です。ダメージコントロールを可能な限り維持するためにFFM専用の訓練施設が用意されており、乗組員は3隻のFFMを4つのグループでローテーション配備されます。一つのFFMに専属の乗組員が乗艦しない新しいシステムで運用されることを意味します。
海上自衛隊の知り合い居るけど全然問題無いよ、君の話古い情報やね
It is unclear whether the 360-degree circular screen of the Mogami-class Advanced Integrated CIC is really practical.
Unclear to you, yes.
Unclear to the Japanese navy and MHI, doubt it.
the 360-degree screen have massive advantage. It give a commander and it's combat crew in the CIC a massive advantage in getting a really good over-view of the battlefield.
"What you can't see, will kill you"
🔥🔥🤌🤌👍👍🗾🗾
Off all three or four contenders! The ‘Upgraded Mogami’ class frigate is probably the best with 32-cells Mk.41 VLS, a Mk.45 mod 4 127mm main gun, and SeaRAM close-in weapon system. With minimal crew of 90 and can launched USV/UUV is well suited GP frigate!
Also should consider acquiring an additional one or four FFM or alternatively three Hunter-class frigate, incase the Optionally-Crewed Surface Vessel (OCSV) doesn’t succeed!
Can the older Mogami-class ships be retrofitted with the VLS?!?
currently not, but that is the entire point of the upgrade
Mogami-class ships are designed to be equipped with 16 cells VLS, and VLS will be equipped from Natori (FFM-9)
The first 8 ships currently don't have VLS because of the cost, but MoD decided to install VLS on them.
It was announced this year that from the 7th unit onwards it will be delivered with the VLS installed, the first 6 units will receive the VLS gradually when they stop for overhauls at the shipyards.
While they have capabilities to carry VLS, currently they dont. I believe Natori will be the first ship actually to be outfited with VLS. Budget reasons i believe, but that is mistake, becase if sudden war started, this ships are at disatvantage.
Hopefully the RAN get the upgraded Mogami and fitted with the sea ram.
モガミ型FFMの前期型に１６セルのＶＬＳを搭載する予算が成立しました。大型化された後期型は最初から３２セルのＶＬＳが搭載されますが、搭載されるミサイルの種類は未確定である。
あぶくま型という先例がありますからね。艦橋とオート・メラーラの間に、もうひとつ兵装を搭載する予定といわれていましたけど一向に実現しません。
"domestic long range missiles (anti-air warfare)"
って動画内で言ってるんで、A-SAMでしょう。
A-SAMと07VLAの混載かな
imagine if Japa/Nippon had this ship in 1935
not sure why they would be producing a modern FFM without a VLS. i hope they have plans to upgrade the older models.
It has vls it's just not fitted yet to reduce cost and improve production, they want build these as fast as possible since vls can be fitted later as it's a modular unit.
@@muktadirbhuyan7281 dude said the newer model is 10 meters longer and 1 meter wider to accommodate VLS. The side by side animation clearly shows the current model without VLS on the foredeck.
@@ironichumorist
The first 8 Mogami class ships don't have VLS currently, but Japanese MoD decided to install VLS on them. FFM-9 Natori will be comissioned with VLS equipped.
I think he meant "to accommodate MORE VLS"
@@ironichumorist previous mogami has vls facilities but we're not installed due to budget constraints but has capability of 16 vls. New mogami was enlarged to accommodate 32vls cells.
古いモデルでも16セルのスペースは用意して設計・建造している。建造時の予算の問題でVLSを後回しとして船の数を増やすことを優先しました。そのため日本国自衛隊としては非常に速い1年2隻ぐらいのペースで起工している。
新しいモデルは古いモデルの倍の32セル用意する計画です。
모가미의 가장큰 적은 엔화 입니다.
대들 모가미급의 가격때문에 머리 아파 했는데.. 사업 추진 당시 (2016/17) 에 비해 너무 변한 엔화 환률의 착시현상으로 일반적으로 도는 $350m은 말도 안되고 대략 $500-650m 사이 일걸로 예상 됩니다. 특히, Mk41통합 문제 (레이더 및 전투 시스템은 일본 발사와 무장은 수입 이라는 함정) 와 AA 능력 향상을 위해 Mk41 32 Cell로 가면서 규모가 커진게 치명적 이었습니다. 특히 미국의 공급망 붕괴로 이지스 및 관련 시스템 (Mk41) 가격 폭주와 공급 지연이 걸리면서 난리난 상황 입니다.
the radar is a copy paste of sea fire 400 of the fdi frigates 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.....
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