Lovely little pocket watch. I am surprised how well the bezel turned out. This would not have been an expensive watch, but it's nice the way time was still taken to decorate the movement and case.
Thanks Peter! Yes, some well placed cleaning products can do miracles sometimes :) It's indeed not an expensive watch and never was, but they made quality products back then.
Nice job, I enjoy your videos! I have a silver cased CYMA hallmarked in 1926 that has the same movement i believe, although mine is a 15 jewel. It keeps time to +/- 4 seconds a day, not bad for a 100 year old watch.
Back in the old days, after leaving the Army, I was a welder and mechanic. This was way before cell phones, so watches were somewhat necessary. I carried pocket watches after destroying several wristwatches. Always had a soft spot for a good one.
Nice pocket watch, and nice brass tweezers too. Trying to find one. I think i will have to pact again with the devil to find that tweezers.... Nice job.
Thanks a lot! The tweezers I use are from Regine Horology and aren't that prevalent outside of Switzerland, but Horotec makes some pretty similar one only with angled tips instead of curved
Another nice video. I wish you would do more videos on pocket watches as I bought some on Ebay to work on. It was interesting to watch something different. 👍😁 Looking forward to other videos no matter what they are. Thanks again for the entertainment.
Beautiful, simply beautiful. Thank you for rescuing yet another piece of yesterday. To yourself and your family Merry Christmas and a Healthy, Wealthy Lucky New Year.
I'm guessing that only having the ratchet wheel signed means it was a movement they bought from a different manufacturer and just marked it as their own.
I have a few that are similar and not running. They are my beginner watches as I begin to delve into watchmaking. After I have moved I will set up my model room which will double as my watchmaking area. I have all the tools I need so it will be great fun trying to revive some of these classics. Please wish me luck. You and Nekkid Watchmaker have been instrumental in my decision to try my hand at this. My detailed models have given me the confidence and perhaps the skills to see it through.
That sounds very cool, Robert and best of luck! I'd really suggest your start with a large, running movement so that you know it worked before you laid hands on it 😉 It's a great hobby and it sounds like you're well on your way :)
@@VintageWatchServices I appreciate the vote of confidence. I think I can make a non runner work. I have nearly 400 hrs of watchmaking videos under my belt. And if you saw my models you'd be certain I have the eye hand for tiny parts. And, I love a challenge.
Great video once again! Being only 3 builds into my watchmaking journey it's great to see a nice simple movement. Especially this time with the shockless balance. I have two watches an Avia and a Rotary with P320 calibres and both with shockless cap jewels so was really interesting to see you oil once it's been cleaned and reassembled through the pivet hole. Really helpful thanks again. :)
Great to hear Neil, thanks! Pocket watches can be great to work on, the problem is just that spare parts might be difficult to find. I'd say the best watches for getting experience are probably Seiko 5's, they are cheap, solid and easy to get spare parts to.
@@VintageWatchServices yes have been looking at them, but with the Day date and automatic works to contend with I thought I'd keep to basic watches first. Have taken a S36 6497 clone to pieces and reassembled about 5 times before attempting something smaller am working on the smaller sub second Swiss movements now, have found a working movement for spares so lucky this time. If I get them going it's the Seiko 5 next then. Thanks for the tip am looking forward to the next video, maybe a 7s26 Seiko 5 perhaps? :)
Great restoration ! Always love to working on pocket watch to give a new life on !! Thank you for comment, history, and technical advice, that’s absolutely why we look your channel time after time !! Merry Christmas in advance Mr. Tian !!🎄
Thanks for watching! The balance cock was particularly discolored so I decided to only clean that one a bit extra, but sure, you can of course do the rest also. At some point there's a level where it isn't really worth putting more work in, though.
I have a Julien Gallet pocket watch that needs a few things and finding information is difficult. It runs but is missing a crystal, a minute hand, and a second hand. It winds with a key.
I had a Tavannes watch marked as such on the dial and movement. It had a lovely art deco case and fully perlaged movement. I lost it years ago and I'm sorry I did.
Great video, thanks Stian. What did you clean the hands with? I can’t find Elma 1 TO 9 cleaning fluid, is that what it’s called for the ultrasonic cleaning?
Thanks Boyd! I cleaned the hands with luke warm water with a drop of dishwashing soap in it. They could also be cleaned with stronger stuff as they are solid, but I felt it was enough. I suspect the Elma 1:9 might only be sold in Europe, as these substances have pretty strict transportation regulations. It's this one: www.cousinsuk.com/product/elma-jewellery-19-concentrate
Thanks for watching! Elma 1:9 is a cleaning product that you mix one part of with nine parts water, for use in an ultrasonic. I have multiple jars that I use in the ultrasonic, thus I marked each jar with what's in them.
Astronomers need extremely precise watches even, remember Christiaan Huygens? Who invented the hair spring balance thingy.. So he could take the positions of stars, for navigation etc..
Oh yes, astronomy requires precise watches, but the real reason accuracy took a giant leap in the late 18th century was for seafaring navigation. Until then they relied on the stars and old seamen techniques, but the marine chronometer race really changed the whole world.
I was thinking about the ratchet wheel font right when you talked about it in the video. even the old mighty Rolex has movements out there with rolex on the ratchet wheel, with the same font....????hummm i don't know what that could mean!!!!lol
Thanks for watching Ed! It simply means the movement isn't made by the brand on the ratchet wheel, it's just the simplest way to put that brand's name on it :)
great job as usual…one question, if I can…in this case you lubricated the balance’s stones thru them and not putting a drop onto the upper one, and after assembly with the lower one…why? Is it the same? Thanks and regards.
Hello Fulvio, it is better to take the balance stones off and lubricate them separately. I don't really remember why I might have done it differently here :)
Steum Nice movement and practical a hinge on the back of the case and as usual I know you’re gonna do a good job because you’re a logical systematic person👍🏻 I hope I spelled your name right. I heard U say your name and spelled it phonetically.
That is a beautiful pocket watch. I carry a pocket watch every day, but not one as beautiful as that Cyma. By the way, for cleaning metal I find that Mothers Mag and Aluminum Polish is a bit better than Brasso. Both are very good, But I like Mothers better.
Beavers and... long setting lever springs and greased movements.... Oh my! This video has everything. I'm surprised you haven't had it reported for all the double entendres. I was thinking that the ratchet wheel branding would just be "slapped" on over another company's base movement?
Really nice video about a watch that are many features in common with my Swiss made Art Déco "Favor" pocket watch from the interwar period. The watch needs a complete service including the replacement of the main spring. I heard you say in the video that it wasn't easy to find a new main spring that fits in the barrel. As the new main spring I need is probably exactly of the same type as the one you found, I would like to know if you could be so kind to inform me about where you purchased your new main spring? Thanks in advance for your help!
Hello Francois, I buy most of my mainsprings at www.cousinsuk.com. You can find a list of mainsprings in the Technical Information section at www.watchguy.co.uk
@@VintageWatchServices Hello and thanks a lot for your prompt answer! I looked into the Cyma brand on the both internet sites you recommended as there's no independent proposal for my pocket watch brand (Favor). I can see that there is quite a few types of main spring. I'll have then to determine, which one fits the best in my pocket watch. No matter what, it looks like there's no need to use a winder in order to fix the main spring correctly in the barrel... and this is a good thing because I do not really wish to invest in very specialized tools!
Hello redwolf, thanks for watching! I've replaced the crystals in a few other videos for sure, but in quite a few I also just polish them, as many hobbyists watching would be able to do that but not be easily able to get new crystals.
Outstanding job! From looking at the simplicity of this watch I wondered, "Is there a wristwatch company that tries to build the least complicated movement ?"
Thanks for watching, Westend! This is a pretty good example of how watches generally were before the second world war. They were generally hand wound with no complications. Date, automatic winding etc is actually fairly new to mainstream watches, although there are of course examples of very complicated watches made hundreds of years ago.
I’m assuming that a signed ratchet wheel, being the most integral and un-modifiable part of movement, it being signed is proof that not only was Cyma in-house, but that they made their own hairspring.
Hi Sir : Beat error was 1.3 , why didn't you adjust the rolling disc'pin in the middle of the pellet fork equally , so that the beat error will be zero !
Hi Goldbug, a lot of pocket watch movements didn't have jeweled center holes, as the metal is thicker and more resistant to deformation than smaller movements. This one would typically have 15 jewels, and I'm not sure why there aren't any jewels on the dial side. Given the standardized look of the bearings it seems to have been done at the factory, probably to save costs.
If it was silver, you could have placed it in glass jar with alu-foil on the bottom, and a few spoonsfull of Natrium Bi Carbonate/baking soda, and boiling water...test it on a tea spoon, it works wonders on Silver...it takes out the sulfer..
Is it bad for the watch movement to be running so fast as it was at the start? To me it's like running a race car in the red, it can take it but eventually it is going to blow. Another beautiful watch crossing your bench.
Ciao Stian, really nice Cyma, you don't see this often. I disagree with @Peter Campbell as there has been spend a lot of time on finishing these very nice bridges with anglage and even perlage on the mainplate showing the balance and on the dial side. So it could have been a more expensive watch. Love your 'subtile' humor, great. Appreciate you for sharing your knowledge and skills, I keep learning with every video. Wishing you a merry Xmas and a great New Year.🌟🌟🎅🤶
Thanks so much, Rich, and the same to you :) It's a bit odd that there are so few jewels but the finishing is indeed nice. But the Swiss would basically always finish their movements to a pretty high degree back then, so it's difficult to say.
It's nice to hear that ear wax is now an integral part of watch making including all of the other interesting watch greases that you use. The major watch oil companies will not want to hear about these cost saving measures. I'm sure the Taxman is taking note of this as well. 😃
I been washing your videos and want to try to fix a 18s Waltham that I bought on Ebay. my quetion is any other way t service those jewels for the balnce? I'm afraid of dissamble the hair spring.
Stian, Thanks again for an educational video. A bit hard to tell from the video, but how does the size of this movement compare with the Unitas 6497/6498? I know that the 6497 is 36.6mm or 16.5 lignes (size 8-ish in American pocket watch sizing). It appeared this may be a similar size. The major functional difference between this movement and the 6497 appears to be the use of Incabloc on the Unitas and an adjustable stud. Otherwise they appear pretty equivalent. In American pocket watches, the larger sizes (12s, 16s, and even 18s) are much more common, I think.
Hello Doug, thanks for watching as always :) This movement is a bit in between the old and the new, it's 15 lignes so a bit smaller than the 6497/8 but still a nice size to work on with relatively large screws. And yep, the older American pocket watch movements were 16 and 18 lignes, 18 being pretty large!
@@VintageWatchServices Yeah, the 16s and 18s are huge by comparison. The 18s is actually around 20 lignes (1.767 inches or 44.87 mm). My 1918 16s grade 290 Elgin watch is 18 lignes (40.4mm or 1.59 inches).
Don't the rinsing steps on your cleaning machine use Isopropyl Alcohol? If so, are you at all concerned with dissolving the shellac that holds the pallet jewels and the impulse jewel in place? Or perhaps shellac isn't used in these watches like I thought it was? Thanks for any help if you can solve my confusion!
Hi, thanks for watching! No, I use Elma Suprol Pro, which should be safe. Just dipping the pallet fork in alcohol is fine but it shouldn't be left soaked in it as that will indeed dissolve the shellac.
Yes, I am interested. Let me know the price. If it is within my budget, yes I will go ahead. I will also have to check with my bank for release of foreign exchange.
Wouldn’t it be. “Watchmakers are the greatest lovers? After all, they have the time and have to do it right. 🧐 you’re a great technician and pretty damn funny.
Hello Shannon, thanks for watching! Yes, that is certainly interesting but these movements normally had 15 jewels, so it seems to be this particular one that's an outlier. I don't know why but it's indeed interesting :)
Thanks Ricky! Yep, it's not a high end movement but it's still nicely finished and keeps good time. It would normally have 15 jewels and I'm not sure why the mainplate wasn't jeweled. It could even be that the train bridge and the mainplate were mixed.
Imagine the stories the watch could tell if it could talk the thing's it's seen the people who have held it 90 year's old and still going mechanical watches are truly beautiful work's of art today's watches are total garbage once the battery goes.
Yep, it's pretty amazing how some pieces of metal shaped the right way can produce such results over such a long time... That's why we love mechanical watches! 😍
Once again a superlative video. I think it should be pronounced as Syma ana not Seema. Correct me if I am wrong. Why the name Cyma is engraved in the ratchet wheel only ? Could be that this same movement is used by many other brands also and so you can only put the name in the ratchet wheel and not on the bridges. It reminds me of movement no 96 which many brands use with their brand name imprinted on the ratchet wheel, not even inscribed. Enjoyed this video Stian.
Hello K, it is indeed pronouced Seema locally, but a lot of people wouldn't recognize it when spoken that way :) And yes, the ratchet wheel is engraved as that was the easiest way to have one's name on a movement that was produced by someone else.
Lovely little pocket watch. I am surprised how well the bezel turned out.
This would not have been an expensive watch, but it's nice the way time was still taken to decorate the movement and case.
Thanks Peter! Yes, some well placed cleaning products can do miracles sometimes :) It's indeed not an expensive watch and never was, but they made quality products back then.
Always a pleasure to get entertained and educated at the same time: great video.
Thanks so much!
Nice job, I enjoy your videos! I have a silver cased CYMA hallmarked in 1926 that has the same movement i believe, although mine is a 15 jewel. It keeps time to +/- 4 seconds a day, not bad for a 100 year old watch.
Nice restoration of a charming pocket watch. Bezel turned out nice a clean. Thanks for the history and commentary. Well done.
Thank you kindly, Thomas!
Beautiful craftsmanship and restoration. Needs experience to carry such work. Congratulations.
Thanks a lot!
Just got one from the '40's. Still runs spot-on.
Just serviced a Cyma Triplex and it’s an amazing little time keeper… fun to take a part and reassemble as it’s my first… great hobby!
“Emmanuelle takes on Horology” good title for a movie 🤔… another great piece of work 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😎
I LOL'ed at the adult content! Beautiful restoration
Thanks Jeffrey 😁 More to come, so stay tuned :)
very great job. well done
Thank you very much! More to come, so stay tuned :)
Back in the old days, after leaving the Army, I was a welder and mechanic. This was way before cell phones, so watches were somewhat necessary. I carried pocket watches after destroying several wristwatches. Always had a soft spot for a good one.
I love to watch a master making art with his hands and mind you are very inspiring to watch taking your time to go over each piece.
Thank you. JoP
Thanks so much :)
Nice pocket watch, and nice brass tweezers too. Trying to find one. I think i will have to pact again with the devil to find that tweezers.... Nice job.
Thanks a lot! The tweezers I use are from Regine Horology and aren't that prevalent outside of Switzerland, but Horotec makes some pretty similar one only with angled tips instead of curved
Thanks for the info and for such awesome videos. Congratulations.
Hello, glad to see and old watch to survive , nice video! In that times they had the time to make some nice decorations !
Hello Tiberiu, yep, this one was made back when labor was cheap :)
Watching this at 11pm at night, laughed so hard at your pivot jokes my daughter woke up to see if I was ok.
😂 Sorry but not sorry to hear that!
Love pocket watches. Nice to see you switching it up. Great work!
Cheers!
Thanks, Angel! Always fun to do something different :)
Great job and the commentary is awesome. Thank you!
Thanks so much! And feel free to share the video on Facebook or Instagram 😎
Another nice video. I wish you would do more videos on pocket watches as I bought some on Ebay to work on. It was interesting to watch something different. 👍😁 Looking forward to other videos no matter what they are. Thanks again for the entertainment.
Entertaining AND arousing! I caught myself rewinding a few times to catch some of that action...hehehehe....Great presentation!
😂 Thanks!
Older watches almost always have gorgeous movements.
Hello John, you're right in that, there was a time when labor was cheap!
Thank you for sharing your skill .
Thanks for watching!
Very nice work, remakable the condition on opening ,well done
Thank you so much, John! 😀
Stunning result.
Thanks a lot, Roman!
Lol. Wordplay in this episode was hilarious. Nice work, as always. 👍💥👊💯
Thanks! I actually only used the proper watchmaking terms for the parts and let the viewers' dirty minds fill in the blanks 😁
Beautiful, simply beautiful.
Thank you for rescuing yet another piece of yesterday.
To yourself and your family Merry Christmas and a Healthy, Wealthy Lucky New Year.
Thanks so much for that, much appreciated! Also best wishes for you and your close ones 🎄🎁🎅🎊
Don’t forget the cookies ! Outstanding watch. Very nice , it is not always we can appreciate a pocket watch
Thanks so much! It's always fun to switch things in a little bit :)
This is a beautiful watch. The movement looks great. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching, David! More to come, so stay tuned :)
A wonderful restoration as usual. Sure is nice
Thanks so much, Roger!
@@VintageWatchServices You are welcome!
I'm guessing that only having the ratchet wheel signed means it was a movement they bought from a different manufacturer and just marked it as their own.
Spot on!
Lovely job, nó fuss!. Adrian
Thanks, Adrian! More to come, so stay tuned :)
Best job, thanks for a very good video!
This is my father's wacht, but the case is golden.
I have a few that are similar and not running. They are my beginner watches as I begin to delve into watchmaking. After I have moved I will set up my model room which will double as my watchmaking area. I have all the tools I need so it will be great fun trying to revive some of these classics. Please wish me luck. You and Nekkid Watchmaker have been instrumental in my decision to try my hand at this. My detailed models have given me the confidence and perhaps the skills to see it through.
That sounds very cool, Robert and best of luck! I'd really suggest your start with a large, running movement so that you know it worked before you laid hands on it 😉 It's a great hobby and it sounds like you're well on your way :)
@@VintageWatchServices I appreciate the vote of confidence. I think I can make a non runner work. I have nearly 400 hrs of watchmaking videos under my belt. And if you saw my models you'd be certain I have the eye hand for tiny parts. And, I love a challenge.
You sir, are a cad. I love it.
Nice work
Great video once again! Being only 3 builds into my watchmaking journey it's great to see a nice simple movement. Especially this time with the shockless balance. I have two watches an Avia and a Rotary with P320 calibres and both with shockless cap jewels so was really interesting to see you oil once it's been cleaned and reassembled through the pivet hole. Really helpful thanks again. :)
Great to hear Neil, thanks! Pocket watches can be great to work on, the problem is just that spare parts might be difficult to find. I'd say the best watches for getting experience are probably Seiko 5's, they are cheap, solid and easy to get spare parts to.
@@VintageWatchServices yes have been looking at them, but with the Day date and automatic works to contend with I thought I'd keep to basic watches first. Have taken a S36 6497 clone to pieces and reassembled about 5 times before attempting something smaller am working on the smaller sub second Swiss movements now, have found a working movement for spares so lucky this time. If I get them going it's the Seiko 5 next then. Thanks for the tip am looking forward to the next video, maybe a 7s26 Seiko 5 perhaps? :)
In fact I know the older Seiko 5 had different movements, any preferences?
Excellent work!
Thanks Donny!
Great video. I love pocket watches. Some day I'll have a solid silver or even gold pocket watch. You did a beautiful job on it too.
Nice change of pace to see a simple, no complication watch. Simple, solid and still good after nearly a century.
Happy holidays.
Thanks Clive! Yes, it's nice to change things up a bit sometimes :) Happy holidays to you also!
keep them coming
Bravo master!
Nice job, as always. I enjoy the pocket watch videos.
Thanks a lot, Ronald! Always nice to change things up :)
Great restoration ! Always love to working on pocket watch to give a new life on !! Thank you for comment, history, and technical advice, that’s absolutely why we look your channel time after time !!
Merry Christmas in advance Mr. Tian !!🎄
Thanks a lot Alain, that's very nice of you! A merry Christmas to you and yours also :)
Nice :) If you clean discoloration on balance bridge I would do that on other bridges as well.
Thanks for watching! The balance cock was particularly discolored so I decided to only clean that one a bit extra, but sure, you can of course do the rest also. At some point there's a level where it isn't really worth putting more work in, though.
Good video,,THANKS
Thanks a lot, Greg!
Great work, Master! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks a lot, Ross! Just waiting for some parts for your watch 😉
Wow! Does that mean you received my package?
I have a Julien Gallet pocket watch that needs a few things and finding information is difficult. It runs but is missing a crystal, a minute hand, and a second hand. It winds with a key.
I had a Tavannes watch marked as such on the dial and movement. It had a lovely art deco case and fully perlaged movement. I lost it years ago and I'm sorry I did.
Wow, that would indeed be nice to have kept! Not super valuable but beauty doesn't have to be c👍
Great video, thanks Stian. What did you clean the hands with? I can’t find Elma 1 TO 9 cleaning fluid, is that what it’s called for the ultrasonic cleaning?
Thanks Boyd! I cleaned the hands with luke warm water with a drop of dishwashing soap in it. They could also be cleaned with stronger stuff as they are solid, but I felt it was enough.
I suspect the Elma 1:9 might only be sold in Europe, as these substances have pretty strict transportation regulations. It's this one: www.cousinsuk.com/product/elma-jewellery-19-concentrate
Thanks Stian!!
Nice pocket watch. I also cleaned and oiled a couple of Elgins. Could you just explain what the "Elma 1 to 9" on the jar lid means?
Thanks for watching! Elma 1:9 is a cleaning product that you mix one part of with nine parts water, for use in an ultrasonic.
I have multiple jars that I use in the ultrasonic, thus I marked each jar with what's in them.
Astronomers need extremely precise watches even, remember Christiaan Huygens? Who invented the hair spring balance thingy..
So he could take the positions of stars, for navigation etc..
Oh yes, astronomy requires precise watches, but the real reason accuracy took a giant leap in the late 18th century was for seafaring navigation. Until then they relied on the stars and old seamen techniques, but the marine chronometer race really changed the whole world.
I was thinking about the ratchet wheel font right when you talked about it in the video. even the old mighty Rolex has movements out there with rolex on the ratchet wheel, with the same font....????hummm i don't know what that could mean!!!!lol
Thanks for watching Ed! It simply means the movement isn't made by the brand on the ratchet wheel, it's just the simplest way to put that brand's name on it :)
@@VintageWatchServices aha!!!!win wink
Great video!! Funny!!!
great job as usual…one question, if I can…in this case you lubricated the balance’s stones thru them and not putting a drop onto the upper one, and after assembly with the lower one…why?
Is it the same?
Thanks and regards.
Hello Fulvio, it is better to take the balance stones off and lubricate them separately. I don't really remember why I might have done it differently here :)
Steum Nice movement and practical a hinge on the back of the case and as usual I know you’re gonna do a good job because you’re a logical systematic person👍🏻 I hope I spelled your name right. I heard U say your name and spelled it phonetically.
Thanks! My name is Stian, which is a very typical Norwegian name but obviously less common elsewhere 😁
That is a beautiful pocket watch. I carry a pocket watch every day, but not one as beautiful as that Cyma. By the way, for cleaning metal I find that Mothers Mag and Aluminum Polish is a bit better than Brasso. Both are very good, But I like Mothers better.
Hello Steve, thanks for watching! Yes, there are many products to choose from. I also use autosol sometimes.
cyma Cal 777, same as the 775 but with the single train bridge "17 great
👍
Beavers and... long setting lever springs and greased movements.... Oh my! This video has everything. I'm surprised you haven't had it reported for all the double entendres. I was thinking that the ratchet wheel branding would just be "slapped" on over another company's base movement?
😁 Thanks Clay! And yes, putting the name on the ratchet wheel was indeed the quick and easy way to do branding :)
Really nice video about a watch that are many features in common with my Swiss made Art Déco "Favor" pocket watch from the interwar period. The watch needs a complete service including the replacement of the main spring. I heard you say in the video that it wasn't easy to find a new main spring that fits in the barrel. As the new main spring I need is probably exactly of the same type as the one you found, I would like to know if you could be so kind to inform me about where you purchased your new main spring? Thanks in advance for your help!
Hello Francois, I buy most of my mainsprings at www.cousinsuk.com. You can find a list of mainsprings in the Technical Information section at www.watchguy.co.uk
@@VintageWatchServices Hello and thanks a lot for your prompt answer! I looked into the Cyma brand on the both internet sites you recommended as there's no independent proposal for my pocket watch brand (Favor). I can see that there is quite a few types of main spring. I'll have then to determine, which one fits the best in my pocket watch. No matter what, it looks like there's no need to use a winder in order to fix the main spring correctly in the barrel... and this is a good thing because I do not really wish to invest in very specialized tools!
I think this is the first time I’ve seen you do a crystal?
Anyway great upload thanks.
Hello redwolf, thanks for watching! I've replaced the crystals in a few other videos for sure, but in quite a few I also just polish them, as many hobbyists watching would be able to do that but not be easily able to get new crystals.
Outstanding job! From looking at the simplicity of this watch I wondered, "Is there a wristwatch company that tries to build the least complicated movement ?"
Thanks for watching, Westend! This is a pretty good example of how watches generally were before the second world war. They were generally hand wound with no complications. Date, automatic winding etc is actually fairly new to mainstream watches, although there are of course examples of very complicated watches made hundreds of years ago.
I’m assuming that a signed ratchet wheel, being the most integral and un-modifiable part of movement, it being signed is proof that not only was Cyma in-house, but that they made their own hairspring.
Beautiful watch, do you pre load the hair spring a quarter turn or is it just your way of locating the impulse into the pallet fork
Hello George, thanks for watching! If I don't get the impulse pin into the right spot at first I'll gently help it into place :)
Hi Sir : Beat error was 1.3 , why didn't you adjust the rolling disc'pin in the middle of the pellet fork equally , so that the beat error will be zero !
Hello Ben, I could indeed have done that but they're very fiddly to adjust, and 1.3 beat error isn't all that bad anyway.
Why was there not a jewel on the center wheel pivot? Would this movement been of a lower grade?
Hi Goldbug, a lot of pocket watch movements didn't have jeweled center holes, as the metal is thicker and more resistant to deformation than smaller movements. This one would typically have 15 jewels, and I'm not sure why there aren't any jewels on the dial side. Given the standardized look of the bearings it seems to have been done at the factory, probably to save costs.
If it was silver, you could have placed it in glass jar with alu-foil on the bottom, and a few spoonsfull of Natrium Bi Carbonate/baking soda, and boiling water...test it on a tea spoon, it works wonders on Silver...it takes out the sulfer..
Yep, that's how you do it. Leave it for half an hour in a foil-dressed bowl of hot water with bicarbonate of sodium and it comes out nice and shiny :)
Is it bad for the watch movement to be running so fast as it was at the start? To me it's like running a race car in the red, it can take it but eventually it is going to blow. Another beautiful watch crossing your bench.
Thanks, David! The readings in the beginning cannot be trusted, so I wouldn't worry about them :)
Ciao Stian, really nice Cyma, you don't see this often. I disagree with @Peter Campbell as there has been spend a lot of time on finishing these very nice bridges with anglage and even perlage on the mainplate showing the balance and on the dial side. So it could have been a more expensive watch. Love your 'subtile' humor, great. Appreciate you for sharing your knowledge and skills, I keep learning with every video. Wishing you a merry Xmas and a great New Year.🌟🌟🎅🤶
Thanks so much, Rich, and the same to you :) It's a bit odd that there are so few jewels but the finishing is indeed nice. But the Swiss would basically always finish their movements to a pretty high degree back then, so it's difficult to say.
Hey, Stian, is that a Cyma in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me? Merry Christmas.
😂 Merry Christmas to you also!
It's nice to hear that ear wax is now an integral part of watch making including all of the other interesting watch greases that you use. The major watch oil companies will not want to hear about these cost saving measures. I'm sure the Taxman is taking note of this as well. 😃
😂 And just in time for Christmas!
I been washing your videos and want to try to fix a 18s Waltham that I bought on Ebay. my quetion is any other way t service those jewels for the balnce? I'm afraid of dissamble the hair spring.
For old watches there isn't any other way to really clean the cap stones, I'm afraid... Perhaps practice on a cheap one you're not afraid to damage?
Stian, Thanks again for an educational video. A bit hard to tell from the video, but how does the size of this movement compare with the Unitas 6497/6498? I know that the 6497 is 36.6mm or 16.5 lignes (size 8-ish in American pocket watch sizing). It appeared this may be a similar size. The major functional difference between this movement and the 6497 appears to be the use of Incabloc on the Unitas and an adjustable stud. Otherwise they appear pretty equivalent.
In American pocket watches, the larger sizes (12s, 16s, and even 18s) are much more common, I think.
Hello Doug, thanks for watching as always :) This movement is a bit in between the old and the new, it's 15 lignes so a bit smaller than the 6497/8 but still a nice size to work on with relatively large screws. And yep, the older American pocket watch movements were 16 and 18 lignes, 18 being pretty large!
@@VintageWatchServices Yeah, the 16s and 18s are huge by comparison. The 18s is actually around 20 lignes (1.767 inches or 44.87 mm). My 1918 16s grade 290 Elgin watch is 18 lignes (40.4mm or 1.59 inches).
Is there a special lubricant you use on the cox?😳😄
They're self lubricating 😊
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At 6 o'clock the hole in the hour hand almost, almost, ALMOST aligns perfectly over the second hand pivot. Soooo frustrating! 😃
😁 Small design flaw then!
Has anyone mentioned the qbert pattern on the back? Am I the only one who remembers Qbert?
Don't the rinsing steps on your cleaning machine use Isopropyl Alcohol? If so, are you at all concerned with dissolving the shellac that holds the pallet jewels and the impulse jewel in place? Or perhaps shellac isn't used in these watches like I thought it was? Thanks for any help if you can solve my confusion!
Hi, thanks for watching! No, I use Elma Suprol Pro, which should be safe. Just dipping the pallet fork in alcohol is fine but it shouldn't be left soaked in it as that will indeed dissolve the shellac.
Yo tengo un reloj Cyma cymaflex que necesito restaurar 😢.
the movements were mass produced elsewhere and put into cases under a different name.
Right on, Donny!
My first Love, pocket watches, real mens watches.
Pocket watches are indeed nice :) I always fancied myself wearing one in a vest pocket but never actually did..
Nice... :)
Thanks 🙂
Hello, i have an old eberhard watch that I don't know much about.. can u help me get more information about it.. How do i contact u..? Thanx
Hello Rayan, thanks for watching! You can send us a mail at info@vintagewatchservices.eu
Will you be selling this watch? And at what price in case you decide to sell?
Hello K, I might indeed sell it but I'm not sure it's really worth all the trouble. If you're interested, let me know :)
Yes, I am interested. Let me know the price. If it is within my budget, yes I will go ahead. I will also have to check with my bank for release of foreign exchange.
Wouldn’t it be. “Watchmakers are the greatest lovers? After all, they have the time and have to do it right. 🧐 you’re a great technician and pretty damn funny.
😂👍 That's a good line indeed :)
Interesting that Tavannes chose to only place jewels on the side of the movement that’s visible. 🤨
Hello Shannon, thanks for watching! Yes, that is certainly interesting but these movements normally had 15 jewels, so it seems to be this particular one that's an outlier. I don't know why but it's indeed interesting :)
great job as usual…this movement is quite cheap ‘cause I saw fews jewels on it…by the way, it keelps the time in a great way!
Thanks Ricky! Yep, it's not a high end movement but it's still nicely finished and keeps good time. It would normally have 15 jewels and I'm not sure why the mainplate wasn't jeweled. It could even be that the train bridge and the mainplate were mixed.
@@VintageWatchServices this is the reason I don't like it so much...under you can see 3 jewels and upper none...
A wang dang doodle!
A ding dang doo 😂
Imagine the stories the watch could tell if it could talk the thing's it's seen the people who have held it 90 year's old and still going mechanical watches are truly beautiful work's of art today's watches are total garbage once the battery goes.
Yep, it's pretty amazing how some pieces of metal shaped the right way can produce such results over such a long time... That's why we love mechanical watches! 😍
Once again a superlative video. I think it should be pronounced as Syma ana not Seema. Correct me if I am wrong. Why the name Cyma is engraved in the ratchet wheel only ? Could be that this same movement is used by many other brands also and so you can only put the name in the ratchet wheel and not on the bridges. It reminds me of movement no 96 which many brands use with their brand name imprinted on the ratchet wheel, not even inscribed. Enjoyed this video Stian.
Hello K, it is indeed pronouced Seema locally, but a lot of people wouldn't recognize it when spoken that way :) And yes, the ratchet wheel is engraved as that was the easiest way to have one's name on a movement that was produced by someone else.
yes yes you did! LOL
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What would it cost to service a pocket watch like this? The hour and minute hands are broken and there is a crack in the face
Hello, thanks for watching! It depends on the overall condition, but I'd guess some $300+
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Thanks Steve! 👍
A cat hair again probably..
The hair was very small, but big enough to create trouble!
If you get bored of mending watches you can always become a comedian, I'll miss your horological content though.
Thanks so much for that! I'll keep doing watches for now but might change my mind once Hollywood discovers me 😂
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Drop the elementary school boy humor, your videos are great otherwise.
Thanks for watching, Al! These videos are pretty free format, so that's part of the package 😉