Toyota GR86 Review | Back to basics
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
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The Toyota GR86 is a rare thing. A simple, inexpensive rear-wheel drive sports car with a manual gearbox and naturally aspirated engine. And it’s all the better for it. But why does this recipe still produce such great sports cars and why aren’t more manufacturers utilising it? James Dennison finds out.
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
2:43 - Engine
4:58 - Cabin and quality
5:53 - Handling
7:48 - Verdict
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Is the Toyota GR86 the perfect modern day sports car?
Most of us don't even have the skills to exploit even "normal" cars like hot hatches yet coz it's the trend we aspire to have super/ hyper cars just for novelty which is honestly pointless!.such vehicles as the Toyota GR86 make alot of sense!.
Yeah 💯
no it’s slow so not perfect
@chileshemubanga3594 you are going to bruise a lot of car enthusiast egos with this comment but its true.
In Europe where speed limits are so stern,why do you need a 500hp sports car as a daily driver or nothing, for?
For the price, it is perfect. So is the BRZ.
I got mine a month ago and every morning I can’t wait to get out of bed and get her on the road
I’ve had mine for about 11 months now and wow, what a car. I learned to drive manual on it and holy cow this is something special. Everyday I’m excited to drive it and it never fails to put a smile on my face
Any issues?
@@DB-sd3cw none at all. Sitting at 17k with a lot of spirited driving miles
Did you own the GT86?
@@Valen-mh9fh I did not
@@ianlerma8110 thanks Ian
I've had one for a few weeks. Swapped from a civic type r. It just brings a childish grin to my face, i've started going the long way round to get places if theres a chance to open it up a bit and have fun. My 81 year old neighbour commented on it said he'd had a mk1 MR2 back int he day. So i took him out in it and he had the same grin on his face as well. It's just fun motoring without all the excess. No pretence, no faff, no hassle. toyota absolutely got this one spot on.
Love this old school approach - both the car and the actual quality motoring journalism.
This car is so much fun with a manual. It handles like it’s on rails. Power is good.
My drill has more torque...
Drills aren’t as fun to drive 😅
@@stevef3521exactly lol
Entry level fun is what this car design is about. Rwd drive for beginners, with great cornering capabilities as result of great weight distribution and driving cars which communicate.
Drills are for boring holes.
" Too much power, too much weight and too much cost! Enough is enough! " Like the way you put it, James. That's the shortest explanation for the millions of potholes on the UK roads.
Incredible commentary coupled with beautiful production. I can’t ask for much more-cheers!
Much appreciated!
Yet he get's the engine facts wrong.
@@r3games1985 shut up
I’ve had two first generation ones (albeit BRZs) and now a 2022. The old ones were good, this one is much better. I live on the east coast of the US (where it snows) and I drive it year-round. I love it and there’s not much of a compromise needed to live with it. You just can’t take more than one other person with you. Otherwise it’s perfectly fine to use as a daily (and I’m 56 and 6’ tall)
52 yr old and 100% agree. Younger generation never had to experience low power of 70’s & 80’s cars. Same weight as my 88 Fiero & power of 88 Mustang GT.
James Dennison is one of the best. Keep him and give him a raise. Great video.
What a car and what a cameraman!
Thank you!
@@CARmagazineTV someone give that guy/girl a pay rise best bit of film I've seen in ages
I've owned a FRS, 86 & now in an 860, I couldn't dream of owning something else.
I've never had a mechanical issue, never had a moment where the road in front of me isn't my playground & where a corner doesn't have me pushing the limits of physics with a shit eating grin.
I pity today's youth who will soon have to suffice with electric cars and a quiet hum or an electronic facsimile of what a TRD exhaust & engine can produce.
Wow, a superb epic production by Car.
Terrific commentary and the right balance of background music.
The GR86 is a great sports car. Well done to Toyota/Subaru for providing a 2nd generation.
Although the manual is the best way to enjoy the GR86, for those who like to drive auto, it will be still be a pleasure to drive.
Glad you enjoyed!
Great review. I managed to get my hands on a 2023 manual and everything you say is absolutely true. Not always forgiving of your mistakes, it rewards you like a true sports car when you get it right.
I agree a bit of a learning curve some mis shifts here and there but once you get the muscle memory down pat with clutch and shifter man what a blast
very well produced video! bought my own a month ago and I have been having a blast!
Great to hear!
The 86 or GT86 was a superb car & (imo) one of the most underrated cars of 2013-15 & even now.
So I’m quite happy to see a new one - happy enough to pull out my own cheque book.
Intro spot on ! Nice video! Well edited and written! It s refreshing (finally!). A friend of mine just bought one, it s a special car no doubt !
Thank you!
This is my favorite car ever and this is how I got to your channel, Now I have just gotten to your manual GT3, your reviews are SO amazing! ❤️❤️ I have just seen two of your videos and I already want to see them all 😂❤️ I am now a subscriber :)
Glad you like them!
Had a classic mini, ep3 type r and then a GT86.
If i can afford to get hold of a GR86 i will, if not i will get another tidy gt86 or brz and fix the torque dip. Love these cars. Although I think about classics these cars have modern reliability and just drive so well
Great video, great car
Fantastic video journalism. Great videography and well written antics! Love it
Thank you!
Amazing review and video shots! - but can't help noticing the big dust on your camera sensor :)
Ordered. Looking forward to driving it.
Fantastic intro and perfect review 🤩 Greetings from germany
Danke!
Beautifully shot!
Thank you!
This is the next car on my must buy list
Great coverage. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed
I found my forever car in my 22' Subaru BRZ. It absolutely checks every box I need on the road. This was a fantastic review so thank you for this!
Get a vasectomy if you really want that to be your forever car lol
Can’t believe the rear seats and boot were mentioned as a negative… one of the best things about the GT or GR, for a sportscar, the storage space is immense.
It’s what makes it usable as an everyday car. An MX5 really needs to be a second car, the 86 doesn’t.
Amazing for such a fun focussed machine and what makes it unrivalled.
Excellent content. Thank You!
Thanks!
Great intro, great video and a great car❤❤
Thank you!
You won’t find any parts in the Toyota parts bin. It came from the Subaru parts bin.
Even the Toyota logos have Subaru printed on the back.
This is an amazing review, please make more videos on this car 🚘
This review was very well done, thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
And a 10 year warranty. I really wish Toyota would build more of these.
Thank you, amazing video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Brilliant, thankyou for your excellent work, excellent video, Brilliant car, thank you Toyota
Glad you enjoyed:)
Mine is coming in a few weeks. :D
Congrats and enjoy it!
Top notch quality!!
I love the MX5 , I KNOW ABOUT SMALL SPACE, BUT the butter smooth GEAR BOX AND STYLE OVER see’s the GR86 ❤
Have you driven them both?
I owned an ND1, have driven an ND2, and have a gr86. The Miata is the superior driving experience for sure. That said, the gr86 is exceptionally good, and with the added practicality, I’ll take a slight hit on responsiveness and gearbox quality. I’m very happy with my choice
Toyota and Subaru they both know how to make a true drivers car.
Fine video, fun car!
Glad you enjoyed it!
You should mention this is the same as the Subie BERZ! Without the markup, in the states, anyway.
Dang this video was 🔥
Thanks!
Nice
Beautiful video. We need to tell manufacturers that this is what we want by getting out there and buying them. #cancelEVs
Thanks!
It's a 2.4, not a 2.3L engine.
maybe he was rounding down instead of up. :P
Thanks
and with the performance package that will be launched this year(sachs dampers, brembo brakes), it will be even better!
Available at Toyota parts for all 22/23 premiums
I believe that’s a US only edition. In the UK they are retro fit parts
@@TheScottishDadtrueno gr86 is us edition only, yes. I do hope/believe/think that the performance package will be world wide available.
So just called my local Toyota dealer and good news a brand new GR86 is available to order. Bad news, list price in Rep of Ireland is 72,000 euro. Yip.
i need this car... premium manual in red 😎
Amazing car
Nice car, I believe it would be epic with the GR Yaris/Corolla engine. A bit more power, a lot more torque, lighter and more efficient
That would be something for sure
The problem is Subaru and their co platform. If Toyota outright owned this car I’m sure it would.
Dyno results show us that the car has about 240-250 crank hp which is more than enough imo, if you want more headers and a tune with a better air filter should bring about 20hp more, in stock form its a bit faster than the new golf 8 gti, it’s one hell of a car for 30k
It would completely change the way the car handles due to the center of gravity being moved up
@@brandonkaufmann6831 whilst the height of the engine is increased the effect on handling is not great, perhaps even an improvement due to the significant loss in fat. Gazoo Racing has run this engine swap too.
This was neat.
I want to see your review of the 2022 Honda Si, and other cars in its category and price range that meets excellent daily drivers.
Si is too big heavy and FWD. It isn't anything like BRZ/GR86. Maybe a better daily driver with kids and hauling lots of sports stuff for kids.
@zinny999 as you age your priorities adjust & there are smart compromises you make so your family is comfortable and you still get am entertaining car when you are not rich enough to have 2-3 cars in the home.
The BRZ/GR86 fails miserably at meeting that grown man need for an all-in-1 daily and spirited driver's car, but that's where the 11th Gen Si excels at and the design pulls it off even nicer.
If you are rich, have sorted the wife with her SUV/Minivan for school runs and shopping and you want a fun car that mainly only you can enjoy, then THE GR86/BRZ might be thr answer then.
@@1anre if you were rich why would you get a slow gr86, when you can get a gt4 which is essentially a similar experience but much faster. except the gt4 would be mid engine instead of FR
@@1anreBuy a first generation and service it yourself.
Civic SI’s are nice, but with the markup you can get the Accord 2.0T, same engine in the type-r for the same price. It’ll have to be used as they don’t offer the 2.0t starting in 2023 I believe.
@stevef3521 don't preach to the choir.
Don't need or want a 1st gen. Picked an 11th gen and dealer markups are overflogged, if you want a car and the number works for you get the car.
Don't see this new trend of folks hiding behind the dealer markup excuse to not get a car when frankly they have other real reasons behind not getting one.
Great car. I can't help but ask why there was no mention of its twin, the Subaru BRZ. Is it because there's only one variant available in the UK?
Jumped from my 1986 86 to a 2013 86 last weekend. Engine side, it felt plenty to me. I get the point about not having to worry about torque at any gear with this 2.4. But i can assure you, an NA 1.6 in today's turbo/electric/hybrid world is way more "frustrating" than the very criticised GT86. Am I unsatisfied? Not in a 1000 lives i change the experience to battle with my car to get the very last inch of its asmatic horse power for anything todays on sale. I like this for my kids though in 10 years time though, so keep depreciating GT86s please :)
Damn true!
It really surprises me that the uk’s safety regulations killed this car. It’s still being sold in the us, and Toyota is de-subaruing the car in 2026, making it a hybrid 3 cylinder with a manual.
I find myself struggling between this and the bmw G20 330xi (Canadian) for my next car. Apples to oranges I know, but I find myself on one end wanting another light weight sports car (+the manual) to relieve my RSX type S and s2000 days to something just nicer in general with some driver input.
I would give up motorbikes for one of these.
Looking to get the same premium 86 in red. Having 18in tires without help having a little bit of a smoother ride than the 17-inch Wheels? I have a 2016 FRS 17 inch wheels I love the ride with the little bumpy was wondering if the bigger wheels will make a difference?
This is one of the greatest cars of our era :') ❤️ Thankfully there is no anime or cult following to ruin this car's prices in the future like it has happened with the AE86, MK4 Supra and LF-A 🌚
MF ghost? Granted, that one's about the first gen car, but will make both versions more popular.
After Many Many Years....
❤@1stSight
Picking up ours today at 6pm. Super excited. 🎉 Thanks...
Enjoy!
@@CARmagazineTV I will, if she ever gets out of the driver's seat and doesn't hide the keys...lol
Great video but i still like the Mazda Miata.
I wish Honda had made a S2000 successor with an ICE engine
"The new Tesla Plaid can...."
WHO CARESSS!!!
RWD
FRONT ENGINE
STICK SHIFT
AND
TWO DOORS!!
That is ALL YOU NEED!
Thankyou Toyota.
Roads look like El Cajas, Ecuador
I got mine 2 days now when I wake up in the morning I'm like where can I take this baby and go thew the gears
Still waiting on someone to twin screw supercharge 2ZZ swap one of these bad boys.....
To anyone shopping for lightweight sports car just go buy this or her twin. I have 22 BRZ and am in driving heaven. Wouldn’t consider another car till Lotus Emira they’re that amazing. Even after driving my brothers C8 that is supercar special. Main reason is BRZ wants to have fun to play & dance. The C8 is serious and wants to be driven perfect. I’d get mad for missing apex by 6 inches. At same speed in BRZ I’m giggling as I slightly drifted around same corner
I have one ordered should be here next week, I'm 6'2" I'm hoping I can fit ok... from the research I've done I should
I'm the same height I confirm I fit. The seat isn't even all the way back but I had to pull the wheel up forward. And it could go more further up tbh. I got used to it but when I got it I remember wanting an aftermarket steering wheel hub to pull it up like an inch or two still might but it's not terrible
@@quaaluddite thank you 👍
Old school fun, modern crash structures. What more could you want? 😅
I honestly love the gr86 interior more than the supra.
Back to basics just like the ocean gate Titan
dude is WAY to critical of the interior. Owned my GR86 for over a year and I'm telling you its nice inside. It's super practical and I LOVE that in a day and age where extra and unnecessary features are plaguing cars
Stockholm Syndrome?
@@CARmagazineTV hey its your opinion np, it's just a goofy one is all :D its a good interior.
I agree. He is over critical of the interior. The seats on the premium are great and most of the area the body comes in contact with has either suede or leather. The buttons are nicely positioned and the infotainment display unit is nice and easy to navigate. Toyota designed a very nice cabin.
Bring back the yugo🎉
the BRZ is its competition which is like the same thing, i'd rather have it though, i love subaru blue
I work in a business tower. Lots of paid white collars where liking driving the Lotus Elise and I saw a lot during summer times.
But, since a while now, I see more and more GT86 and BRZ in the parking lot. I heard Lotus has stopped the production of the Elise. Bad luck for them. Their buyers are now going to Toyota.
Lotus could no longer sell the Elise due to emission regulations
@@GaijinDT They could have redesigned the engine and pass if they wanted to.
@@varmastiko2908 It's too expensive to make an engine that can pass the UE regulations. The GR86 will also soon go off the market in Europe for the same reason.
2.4L? Not 2.3L?
It's not a perfect car but it's the most fun I've ever had in a car (I still own/drive my 2013 scion frs 10 series).
do you mean 2013?
@@peejayem4700 thanks! Typo
Hello from the u.s got 10th anniversary edition few weeks ago after many years of vw gtis and I mean many! Haha .. and just love this gr 86 ! Simple light weight sports car! reminds me of my 1980s Honda preludes I got brand new back in the day .. I’m old haha
@@brianreardon7700are they still going for over msrp? I recently got a ‘13 FR-S and love it so much I already want to get a GR86.
It needs the 1.6 turbo from Yaris
Sorry the interior isn’t a Spyker C8 Laviolette, but I think the comments on the style and quality of the interior might have been a tad overplayed. For the price point I feel it’s quite a nice place to be and will stand the test of time well enough. Otherwise a very nice put together review. I think cars like this and even the predecessor will become quite coveted over time for their raw driving feel and simple legit pleasure they deliver. ❤
Beware of the engine oil starvation problem. It will blow up the engine from turning right.
Beware!!!!
Any idea on the RTV issues with the engine? Is it really concerning?
GR86 owner here. It’s still an issue if you plan to track your car.
It’s blown way out of proportion. Non-issue imo.
Merging on the highway is a foot to the floor race against a Volvo that doesn't know you're even there.
😂
Well thats not the point of the GR. Its hard to understand Î know x)
Is there gonna be a convertible???
Never say never, but almost certainly not!
Percentage of peopel that understand that understand cars are actually greater than the percentage of menufacturers that understand cars
日産 Z 2023 またはトヨタ GR86 を購入しましょう!みんな
So true…underpowered marvel actually…learned manual on my current BRZ. Every other car feels faster 😂😂
It's a sportscar for normal people. You don't have to make millions to have stress free miles in a GR86. It's a car enthusiast's car, for a budget.
It's got a badly designed oil system and costs 10k too much. Without those 2 issues it would be a great entry level sports car like it's predecessor.
Stfu lol, can't even get a VW up for 20k ffs
i like brz more than gr86，cuz boxer engine from Subaru😅
No mention of the “RTV” issue with the 86 & BRZ. Bits of surplus RTV on the inside of the engine can and will potentially break off and get sucked up by the oil pick up tube and diminish or even block oil flow to the engine. Obviously not good. Otherwise a superb little sports car. But I know Toyota and Subaru can and should do better with the RTV nonsense.
Since launch two high profile RTV cases have been confirmed. Cmon dude thats literally nothing.
Got my 2023 GR 86 Manual Premium in May of 23 - I did not have any RTV issues after having it checked. Some don't have any.
But other reviews say its gutless
Its just a 2000s celica for todays times ;)
people have been brainwashed (operation mockingbird) to believe that good cars are bad and bad cars are good.
rear wheel drive is best wheel drive.
What makes me laugh is this guy will probably review a car with twice the power next and say its amazing 🤣🤦♂️
It's a 2.4 L engine.
Great production! The part with the gear change (4th, 3th 2nd) is epic! But speaking of Toyota parts bins and Toyota engineers is misleading. Subaru led the development of this car from start to finish. No mention of that anywhere.
I guess with Toyota owning a chunk of Subaru who is really leading who?
Agreed. I have the BRZ and kind of tired of Toyota being praised when the only contributions they really made were direct injection, some suspension adjustments, and insane markups. Thanks, Toyota.
@@dimatanaka4884Subaru has markups as well.
Wrong! Toyota designed the GR86 chassis and did add a significant contribution on the technical Front as well. Example: the DS-4 (direct and port injection), Denso AIS, suspension setup (stiffer), etc…
So don’t get it twisted. The whole design of the car inside and out is 💯 percent Toyota. Subaru of course was heavily involved with engineering, build and test. Not to mention the assembly process at the Gunma plant. It is very much a true collaboration. People often see the car coming out of the Gunma plant, rocking Subaru badges on assembled parts and a boxer four engine then automatically assume this is all Subaru 😂
@@Julianklaus thanks for the info. My point is that so many UA-camrs act as if Toyota was solely responsible for the existence of this car. I realize that in Europe, the BRZ is not available, so this oversight seems to be more egregious with reviewers from the UK.
Anyway, just to add to your post, let's also clearly note Suburu's contributions.
Chassis and Suspension: Subaru engineers were responsible for developing the BRZ's chassis and suspension system. They focused on creating a balanced and responsive platform that would deliver excellent handling and driving dynamics.
Boxer Engine: Subaru provided the BRZ with its horizontally opposed "boxer" engine. The BRZ featured a 2.0-liter four-cylinder boxer engine, which was designed to deliver a low center of gravity, improved weight distribution, and responsive performance.
Drivetrain: Subaru engineered the rear-wheel-drive system for the BRZ, which was a departure from their typical all-wheel-drive setups. The drivetrain was designed to provide the driving experience and enhance the car's handling characteristics.
Manufacturing: Subaru manufactured the BRZ at its production facilities. They were responsible for ensuring the quality and precision in the assembly of the vehicle.
The right chasis, but the wrong motor.
Yes. Should have been 3.0 flat 6 300hp. Imagine that.
@@jonasbaine3538 like a Porsche? I'll be down for that.
@@iJakku Plenty of subaru flat 6 engines have been swapped into frs before. A factory GR86 w/ flat6 300hp would have finally been a real porsche cayman competition like orignally advertised in 2012...