First some of my background. I was a minster in the church of Christ for over twenty years and remember those days of the Crossroads and Boston movement. They were difficult times. I am still a firm believer in the Lord, but am no longer associated with the movement that Barton W. Stone, Walter Scott, Alexander Campbell and Thomas (his father) began. And even though I disagree Biblically with some of what was taught in this video, at the same time, I so appreciate this minster's attitude, speech and heart. I wish I had been surrounded by more ministers like him when I was preaching in the churches of Christ. It was actually Walter Scott who first came up with the "five point plan of salvation" for the churches of Christ. It began with the 6 step plan, but he narrowed it down to 5 so that one could count the plan down on the 5 fingers of one hand. Some might even call it a good memory and teaching tool. Just wanted to address a couple of Scriptures that this presenter used that I think were taken out of context and misrepresented. The first was found in Mathew 7:21-23, "“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’" If we consider the context of this passage, earlier in vs. 15, Jesus told His listeners, "Beware of the false prophets..." With that in mind, let's delve into the text. First He is speaking of those who were never saved, for He said, "I never knew you." So, I don't think we have any argument there. Secondly, He mentions that only those who do the will of His Father will enter heaven. If we were to say that the will of the Father was to discover every Biblical command we can and observe each one perfectly, then there would be no hope for anyone, for we all stumble and fall. So is there another passage in a Gospel that also addresses the issue of salvation and the Father's will? Yes, there is. In John 6:40, Jesus says, "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise Him up on the last day." This must be the same day that Jesus talks about in Matthew 7, when He says, "Many will say to Me on that day..." What are these false prophets guilty of? Rather than believing in Jesus as the Son of God for eternal life, they are trusting in their own works to save them. They say, we did this and we did that, etc. As the presenter of this video stated, our works can't save us. These false teachers were merely giving lip service to Jesus, but not really trusting or believing in Him. And on that day of judgment, they don't come relying upon the grace of God to save them, but rather pushing forward all their "wonderful" works hoping that will save them. So this passage is actually about works verses faith in the Son of God. And the group in question are false prophets. The second passage in question is John 12:48, where Jesus says, "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has One who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him on the last day." Is Jesus telling these unbelieving men that they need to comply with all the rules in the churches of Christ to be saved? Again, key to our understanding is the context of the passage. Earlier in vs. 44, Jesus told them, "...He who believes in Me, does not believe in Me but in Him who sent Me." Again, this passage is addressing salvation and believing in Jesus as the Son of God unto salvation. Jesus' "sayings," in this passage are dealing with not only His Sonship and belief in same, but also in giving evidence that even the Father testifies that it's through the Son that salvation is granted unto eternal life. In fact if you read the whole chapter, you'll see that Jesus caused quite a stir announcing that He was the only way to salvation. The "sayings" here were not referring to the 613 commands given in the Bible, but were more specific than that. Sometimes, in these passages, we paint with too broad a brush without considering the entire context in which it was given. I have found in my walk with the Lord that the context of a passage is so key to our understanding it. The body of Christ is not confined to one particular brand of Christianity. All those who believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and respond to this Gospel are saved regardless of the name on a letterhead or plague over a church building. In fact, I'm saddened that there even needs to be some official name for God's family. In the New Testament there were many descriptive names for God's people: "churches of Christ," "Church of God," "household of faith," "the Way," and so on. I don't think God ever meant for us to use any of these names as an official title for His people. I find that official names just add to the division among His family. So even though I may take issue with some of the teaching in this video, I do want to reiterate that the presenter showed much love, respect, logic and humanness in his presentation which I so appreciated. And I still have many dear friends, brothers and sisters in Christ among the "churches of Christ," and I appreciate them very much.
I was a Leader in the Kip Mckean lead ICC and after along while I found the hurtful mistakes of the church. Now, I'm praying and looking for a church my family can be a part of in Manila.
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I had a somewhat similar story to the one on Letterman's show. One time I was meeting a Russian Orthodox priest and he asked what my church background was. I answered Church of Christ, and his first question was "Instrumental or non-instrumental?" I found that very interesting, how that was the first idea that came up after my answer.
2 Peter 3:16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
It will also hopefully help to set many people free if they read...Christ Rescued the Thief's Testimony from the "Church of Christ" by Lee Anne Ferguson, for it reveals what the CoC has been hiding for centuries concerning these crucial issues.
I have been a member of the church of Christ since my childhood but I am now finding it hard to live a happy life . How can someone be happy knowing that everyone you have ever known outside the church will end up in hell. It absolutely breaks my heart to see my children agonizing because they know that their grandparents are going to burn in hell’s fire for all eternity because they are Baptist. I know that I should not feel this way but nevertheless I am really starting to struggle with this.
It’s unfortunate that you and others feel this way about others in the family. I’m convinced that this may be the reason that we are not given the responsibility to make a final judgement on others, especially those who believe in Jesus. I don’t believe that people automatically go to hell because they are “Baptists” any more than others automatically go to heaven because they are “Church of Christ.” People are condemned because they love sin more than they love the truth (John 3:17-21). And those who believe and are faithful to Christ will be saved (Matthew 24:13). My response to the disbelief in the world is to invest my energy into proclaiming the gospel, not mourning the lost which becomes debilitating emotionally and spiritually. This is why we’re not given the task of judging but the task of proclaiming and praying. My response to religious error is to continue teaching patiently in season and out, not meeting out a judgement on fellow believers which leads to hatred on their part and the danger of spiritual arrogance on my part. Again, another reason why the decision on who gets in and who doesn’t hasn’t been given to us.
you do realize that alexander campbell was a Baptist preacher right? and you do know that the only baptism he ever received was from a Baptist preacher right? so if Baptists go to hell, then the founder of your movement is in hell also. the validity of baptism does NOT come from WHO baptizes. its validity is based on the ONE being baptized.. besides, alexander campbell himself said "the kingdom was with the Baptists, before us."
Used to love the church. Seen too much division contention legalism controversy splits mistreatment of members and ministers lack of love and unchristlikeness. It's rare to find a effective congregation. Many are "trying to get Bro/Sis so and so back" to the same old crap.
I have been baptised by immersion FOUR times. This is difficult to admit. I grew up in the Baptist Church. I married a member of the Church of Christ. The Church of Christ preached that THEY were the only ones going to heaven. We went to church 3 times a week. It was hard to get the children fed and homework done, In order to "get to church" on Wednesday night. Our children are grown,and neither of them are in the Church of Christ. I am still there,I guess I am afraid to leave. Where would I go? Your lessons have helped me so much,and I thank you for them!!!
I believe now that I was saved in the Baptist Church in 1957,BECAUSE I KNEW I DID NOT WANT TO GO TO HELL!!! At that time I was 11 years old,and my heart was pricked.
Dear Linda, Thanks for your question on this important topic. So sorry you have had to struggle with a proper understanding of baptism and not experienced the peace one feels knowing that they have correctly responded to God’s offer of forgiveness. This may not be of great comfort to you but many people have the same dilemma as you do trying to figure out what is the correct teaching about baptism. First of all, the important thing to remember about this and all other teaching is that it’s the Bible that settles all discussion. If we believe and obey what the Bible teaches, then it doesn’t matter what various teachers teach so long as what they say can be supported from the Scriptures. I tell people with your type of questions that if you were baptized in the way the Bible tells us to baptize people, and if you were baptized for the reasons that the Bible gives for baptism then you are good to go, never needing to repeat the process ever again. Very briefly then, the Bible teaches that baptism is by immersion in water. The word “Baptize” comes from a Greek word which means to “immerse” or to “plunge”. So, when three thousand people were baptized on Pentecost Sunday at the preaching of Peter (Acts 2:37-38) they were immersed in water (probably the pools of water near the Temple used for ritual washing at that time). The main reason for baptism is as an expression of faith in Jesus. In other words, those who believed the gospel (that Jesus was the Son of God and died for our sins) they then would acknowledge their belief by confessing Christ and being baptized as a sign or expression of their belief (Acts 8:34-38). For a clear teaching on this, I suggest that you view the lesson entitled, "What Does Jesus Himself Teach About Salvation?" ua-cam.com/video/yUu7HjiFDes/v-deo.html I hope this clarifies the matter for you. Please don’t allow discouragement or the schemes of the evil one confuse and discourage you. If you’ve been baptized to wash away your sins, go forward and live a life of holiness and service to the Lord with a clear conscience and your heart at peace. Sincerely, Mike
This is the fundamental problem within the extreme fundamentalist churches of Christ. A lack of knowledge and faith in GRACE. Here's a conversation that I had with a member of this church. Me: Where does the Bible say that you earn grace through obedience? Member: Acts 2:38 that you kinda ignored says baptism is for the remission of sins . Real easy . Me: Where does the Bible say that you EARN grace? Baptism is a WORKING OF GOD. NOT YOU. How can you EARN SOMETHING that GOD IS DOING? IF GOD IS DOING IT, YOU EARN IT? Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him THROUGH THE FAITH IN THE OPERATION OF GOD, who hath raised him from the dead. So, I'm confused. How can GOD being doing it, if YOU are doing it? This is why your baptism was a WORK OF YOUR FLESH, and NOT the WORKING OF GOD. You instead, thought that YOU COULD EARN GRACE. THROUGH HIM we have also obtained ACCESS BY FAITH INTO THIS GRACE IN WHICH WE STAND, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Romans 5:2 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace. Romans 11:6 So your supposed "faith" in your baptism was in your own work. NOT in CHRIST TO JUSTIFY YOU BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH in the WORKING (OPERATION) OF GOD per Col 2:12. Because of that, your baptism was dead. You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace" - Galatians 5:4.
Sad that people will always believe the devil hog wash. Jesus made it crystal clear in the old testament book of Mathew 16:18 He would build His one and only Church which began in Acts 2 Acts 2:42 Acts 2-Revelation 22 is the complete new testament of Jesus period John 6:38 John 7:16 verses 2 John 9-11 In that one true Church we are to SPEAK the EXACT SAME THINGS CONCERNING THE NEW COVENANT DOCTRINE OF JESUS 1 CORINTHIANS 1:10 EPHESIANS 2:4-6 there is only ONE CHURCH( BODY) ONE FAITH ACTS 2- REVELATION 22 ONE HOPE PERIOD. Jesus back under the law of Moses in the Old Testament Book of John 4:23 made it Crystal Clear That true Worshipers under the Law of Moses and the New Testament age of Jesus were to Worship GOD in Spirit Either Old Covenant truth Or New Covenant TRUTH depending which Covenant was in force at the time In Hebrews 5:8 the Hebrew writer made it clear about a pattern God had for Israel back under the Law of Moses, and the new covenant is our pattern today Acts 2-Revelation 222 oh and by the way it is not what does the Bible say, but what does the New Covenant or Testament of Jesus say. Acts 2-Revelation 22.The PERFECT NEW TESTAMENT LAW OF LIBERTY. JAMES 1:25 JAMES 2:12 The VERY LAW YOU BETTER ABIDE IN. THE VERY LAW THAT WILL BE CHRISTIANS JUDGE. Time to wake up out there false teachers. No Denomination built by Foolish Man will stand on the day of @t Ephesians 2:19-22 It is so clear Jesus is the Chief Cornerstone of the One Foundation of His one true Church. If You are in a Man Made Church rest assured it is a DEAD CHURCH. Built by the devil and Man. Wake up
Brother, salvation does not rest in which church building a person meets at throughout the week. So long as we believe with our heart and confess with our toungue that Jesus is Lord, is the Son of God and our messiah and that God raised Him from the dead, we are justified, and thus saved romans 10:6-13. Jonh 5:24 I dont put my hope of being saved from sin in anything i can do but in the name, work, and power of our Lord Jesus Christ. It is by grace through faith that we are saved. Thus i go on to show my Love for Him and for the Father through striving for obedience to Christ and what He tells His followers to do.
@@bibletalktv That is AFTER the CROSS. Acts 1:3 Jesus spent 40 days after the Cross teaching all of His new testament doctrine.John 16:12-15 No new testament doctrine was made known before the Cross a different age Ephesians 3:3-5 Jesus did not do His new testament will before the Cross John 6:38 Jesus did not teach His new testament doctrine before the Cross.John 7:16 They continued STEADFASTLY in ONLY THE APOSTLES DOCTRINE. Acts 2:42 JESUS COMPLETE NEW TESTAMENT DOCTRINE.
It's not the building of people who sit in the church of Christ going to be saved it's the people that obey the word you sound like brain wash l know people that go to church of Christ they are so worldly love worldy music can not wait till church time over but you are saved right married twice with the first husband still living. to lazy to read the bible
Praying for Jesus Christ in The Flesh be present as perfect God
Greeting from Mongolia Church of Christ. Thank you for your great lesson. We need a so good attitute. I should learn so much.
"Leaders" in the "Churches of Christ" need our most sincere prayers brethren.
Thank you for making the lesson so plain and our resonsibilities of Bible authority
First some of my background. I was a minster in the church of Christ for over twenty years and remember those days of the Crossroads and Boston movement. They were difficult times. I am still a firm believer in the Lord, but am no longer associated with the movement that Barton W. Stone, Walter Scott, Alexander Campbell and Thomas (his father) began. And even though I disagree Biblically with some of what was taught in this video, at the same time, I so appreciate this minster's attitude, speech and heart. I wish I had been surrounded by more ministers like him when I was preaching in the churches of Christ.
It was actually Walter Scott who first came up with the "five point plan of salvation" for the churches of Christ. It began with the 6 step plan, but he narrowed it down to 5 so that one could count the plan down on the 5 fingers of one hand. Some might even call it a good memory and teaching tool.
Just wanted to address a couple of Scriptures that this presenter used that I think were taken out of context and misrepresented. The first was found in Mathew 7:21-23, "“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’"
If we consider the context of this passage, earlier in vs. 15, Jesus told His listeners, "Beware of the false prophets..." With that in mind, let's delve into the text. First He is speaking of those who were never saved, for He said, "I never knew you." So, I don't think we have any argument there. Secondly, He mentions that only those who do the will of His Father will enter heaven. If we were to say that the will of the Father was to discover every Biblical command we can and observe each one perfectly, then there would be no hope for anyone, for we all stumble and fall. So is there another passage in a Gospel that also addresses the issue of salvation and the Father's will? Yes, there is. In John 6:40, Jesus says, "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise Him up on the last day." This must be the same day that Jesus talks about in Matthew 7, when He says, "Many will say to Me on that day..." What are these false prophets guilty of? Rather than believing in Jesus as the Son of God for eternal life, they are trusting in their own works to save them. They say, we did this and we did that, etc. As the presenter of this video stated, our works can't save us. These false teachers were merely giving lip service to Jesus, but not really trusting or believing in Him. And on that day of judgment, they don't come relying upon the grace of God to save them, but rather pushing forward all their "wonderful" works hoping that will save them. So this passage is actually about works verses faith in the Son of God. And the group in question are false prophets.
The second passage in question is John 12:48, where Jesus says, "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has One who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him on the last day." Is Jesus telling these unbelieving men that they need to comply with all the rules in the churches of Christ to be saved? Again, key to our understanding is the context of the passage. Earlier in vs. 44, Jesus told them, "...He who believes in Me, does not believe in Me but in Him who sent Me." Again, this passage is addressing salvation and believing in Jesus as the Son of God unto salvation. Jesus' "sayings," in this passage are dealing with not only His Sonship and belief in same, but also in giving evidence that even the Father testifies that it's through the Son that salvation is granted unto eternal life. In fact if you read the whole chapter, you'll see that Jesus caused quite a stir announcing that He was the only way to salvation. The "sayings" here were not referring to the 613 commands given in the Bible, but were more specific than that.
Sometimes, in these passages, we paint with too broad a brush without considering the entire context in which it was given. I have found in my walk with the Lord that the context of a passage is so key to our understanding it.
The body of Christ is not confined to one particular brand of Christianity. All those who believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and respond to this Gospel are saved regardless of the name on a letterhead or plague over a church building. In fact, I'm saddened that there even needs to be some official name for God's family. In the New Testament there were many descriptive names for God's people: "churches of Christ," "Church of God," "household of faith," "the Way," and so on. I don't think God ever meant for us to use any of these names as an official title for His people. I find that official names just add to the division among His family.
So even though I may take issue with some of the teaching in this video, I do want to reiterate that the presenter showed much love, respect, logic and humanness in his presentation which I so appreciated. And I still have many dear friends, brothers and sisters in Christ among the "churches of Christ," and I appreciate them very much.
Thank you for the much needed insight, your exegesis is sound. I wish i could save comments.
I never knew you . Listen to what they would say in that day of judgement. They were religous...
All these talks are wonderful Mike! God Bless!
This has been the most honest talk I heard about the churches of Christ.
Absolutely!!!!!
I was a Leader in the Kip Mckean lead ICC and after along while I found the hurtful mistakes of the church. Now, I'm praying and looking for a church my family can be a part of in Manila.
Hope you will find a faithful and loving congregation to worship and serve with. Let me know if you need help in that regard.
- MM
“Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight” (Isaiah 5:21).
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New Jerusalem is Only where My feet are
New Jerusalem is where My Mind is
I had a somewhat similar story to the one on Letterman's show. One time I was meeting a Russian Orthodox priest and he asked what my church background was. I answered Church of Christ, and his first question was "Instrumental or non-instrumental?" I found that very interesting, how that was the first idea that came up after my answer.
2 Peter 3:16
as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
It will also hopefully help to set many people free if they read...Christ Rescued the Thief's Testimony from the "Church of Christ" by Lee Anne Ferguson, for it reveals what the CoC has been hiding for centuries concerning these crucial issues.
Only the church…is going to heaven. But it does not have to have the name Church of Christ on the sign. It’s a body of people obeying His word.
I have been a member of the church of Christ since my childhood but I am now finding it hard to live a happy life . How can someone be happy knowing that everyone you have ever known outside the church will end up in hell. It absolutely breaks my heart to see my children agonizing because they know that their grandparents are going to burn in hell’s fire for all eternity because they are Baptist. I know that I should not feel this way but nevertheless I am really starting to struggle with this.
It’s unfortunate that you and others feel this way about others in the family. I’m convinced that this may be the reason that we are not given the responsibility to make a final judgement on others, especially those who believe in Jesus.
I don’t believe that people automatically go to hell because they are “Baptists” any more than others automatically go to heaven because they are “Church of Christ.”
People are condemned because they love sin more than they love the truth (John 3:17-21). And those who believe and are faithful to Christ will be saved (Matthew 24:13).
My response to the disbelief in the world is to invest my energy into proclaiming the gospel, not mourning the lost which becomes debilitating emotionally and spiritually. This is why we’re not given the task of judging but the task of proclaiming and praying.
My response to religious error is to continue teaching patiently in season and out, not meeting out a judgement on fellow believers which leads to hatred on their part and the danger of spiritual arrogance on my part. Again, another reason why the decision on who gets in and who doesn’t hasn’t been given to us.
you do realize that alexander campbell was a Baptist preacher right? and you do know that the only baptism he ever received was from a Baptist preacher right? so if Baptists go to hell, then the founder of your movement is in hell also. the validity of baptism does NOT come from WHO baptizes. its validity is based on the ONE being baptized.. besides, alexander campbell himself said "the kingdom was with the Baptists, before us."
Used to love the church.
Seen too much division contention legalism controversy splits mistreatment of members and ministers lack of love and unchristlikeness.
It's rare to find a effective congregation.
Many are "trying to get Bro/Sis so and so back" to the same old crap.
I have been baptised by immersion FOUR times. This is difficult to admit.
I grew up in the Baptist Church. I married a member of the Church of Christ.
The Church of Christ preached that THEY were the only ones going to heaven.
We went to church 3 times a week. It was hard to get the children fed and homework done,
In order to "get to church" on Wednesday night.
Our children are grown,and neither of them are in the Church of Christ.
I am still there,I guess I am afraid to leave. Where would I go?
Your lessons have helped me so much,and I thank you for them!!!
I believe now that I was saved in the Baptist Church in 1957,BECAUSE I KNEW I DID NOT WANT TO GO TO HELL!!! At that time I was 11 years old,and my heart was pricked.
Dear Linda,
Thanks for your question on this important topic. So sorry you have had to struggle with a proper understanding of baptism and not experienced the peace one feels knowing that they have correctly responded to God’s offer of forgiveness. This may not be of great comfort to you but many people have the same dilemma as you do trying to figure out what is the correct teaching about baptism.
First of all, the important thing to remember about this and all other teaching is that it’s the Bible that settles all discussion. If we believe and obey what the Bible teaches, then it doesn’t matter what various teachers teach so long as what they say can be supported from the Scriptures.
I tell people with your type of questions that if you were baptized in the way the Bible tells us to baptize people, and if you were baptized for the reasons that the Bible gives for baptism then you are good to go, never needing to repeat the process ever again.
Very briefly then, the Bible teaches that baptism is by immersion in water. The word “Baptize” comes from a Greek word which means to “immerse” or to “plunge”. So, when three thousand people were baptized on Pentecost Sunday at the preaching of Peter (Acts 2:37-38) they were immersed in water (probably the pools of water near the Temple used for ritual washing at that time).
The main reason for baptism is as an expression of faith in Jesus. In other words, those who believed the gospel (that Jesus was the Son of God and died for our sins) they then would acknowledge their belief by confessing Christ and being baptized as a sign or expression of their belief (Acts 8:34-38).
For a clear teaching on this, I suggest that you view the lesson entitled, "What Does Jesus Himself Teach About Salvation?" ua-cam.com/video/yUu7HjiFDes/v-deo.html
I hope this clarifies the matter for you. Please don’t allow discouragement or the schemes of the evil one confuse and discourage you. If you’ve been baptized to wash away your sins, go forward and live a life of holiness and service to the Lord with a clear conscience and your heart at peace.
Sincerely,
Mike
This is the fundamental problem within the extreme fundamentalist churches of Christ. A lack of knowledge and faith in GRACE.
Here's a conversation that I had with a member of this church.
Me: Where does the Bible say that you earn grace through obedience?
Member: Acts 2:38 that you kinda ignored says baptism is for the remission of sins . Real easy .
Me: Where does the Bible say that you EARN grace? Baptism is a WORKING OF GOD. NOT YOU. How can you EARN SOMETHING that GOD IS DOING? IF GOD IS DOING IT, YOU EARN IT?
Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him THROUGH THE FAITH IN THE OPERATION OF GOD, who hath raised him from the dead. So, I'm confused. How can GOD being doing it, if YOU are doing it?
This is why your baptism was a WORK OF YOUR FLESH, and NOT the WORKING OF GOD. You instead, thought that YOU COULD EARN GRACE.
THROUGH HIM we have also obtained ACCESS BY FAITH INTO THIS GRACE IN WHICH WE STAND, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Romans 5:2
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace. Romans 11:6
So your supposed "faith" in your baptism was in your own work. NOT in CHRIST TO JUSTIFY YOU BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH in the WORKING (OPERATION) OF GOD per Col 2:12. Because of that, your baptism was dead.
You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace" - Galatians 5:4.
Sad that people will always believe the devil hog wash. Jesus made it crystal clear in the old testament book of Mathew 16:18 He would build His one and only Church which began in Acts 2 Acts 2:42 Acts 2-Revelation 22 is the complete new testament of Jesus period John 6:38 John 7:16 verses 2 John 9-11 In that one true Church we are to SPEAK the EXACT SAME THINGS CONCERNING THE NEW COVENANT DOCTRINE OF JESUS 1 CORINTHIANS 1:10 EPHESIANS 2:4-6 there is only ONE CHURCH( BODY) ONE FAITH ACTS 2- REVELATION 22 ONE HOPE PERIOD. Jesus back under the law of Moses in the Old Testament Book of John 4:23 made it Crystal Clear That true Worshipers under the Law of Moses and the New Testament age of Jesus were to Worship GOD in Spirit Either Old Covenant truth Or New Covenant TRUTH depending which Covenant was in force at the time In Hebrews 5:8 the Hebrew writer made it clear about a pattern God had for Israel back under the Law of Moses, and the new covenant is our pattern today Acts 2-Revelation 222 oh and by the way it is not what does the Bible say, but what does the New Covenant or Testament of Jesus say. Acts 2-Revelation 22.The PERFECT NEW TESTAMENT LAW OF LIBERTY. JAMES 1:25 JAMES 2:12 The VERY LAW YOU BETTER ABIDE IN. THE VERY LAW THAT WILL BE CHRISTIANS JUDGE. Time to wake up out there false teachers. No Denomination built by Foolish Man will stand on the day of @t Ephesians 2:19-22 It is so clear Jesus is the Chief Cornerstone of the One Foundation of His one true Church. If You are in a Man Made Church rest assured it is a DEAD CHURCH. Built by the devil and Man. Wake up
Brother, salvation does not rest in which church building a person meets at throughout the week. So long as we believe with our heart and confess with our toungue that Jesus is Lord, is the Son of God and our messiah and that God raised Him from the dead, we are justified, and thus saved romans 10:6-13. Jonh 5:24
I dont put my hope of being saved from sin in anything i can do but in the name, work, and power of our Lord Jesus Christ. It is by grace through faith that we are saved.
Thus i go on to show my Love for Him and for the Father through striving for obedience to Christ and what He tells His followers to do.
What about obedience to Matthew 28:18-20; Mark 16:15-16; Acts 2:38;??
@@bibletalktv That is AFTER the CROSS. Acts 1:3 Jesus spent 40 days after the Cross teaching all of His new testament doctrine.John 16:12-15 No new testament doctrine was made known before the Cross a different age Ephesians 3:3-5 Jesus did not do His new testament will before the Cross John 6:38 Jesus did not teach His new testament doctrine before the Cross.John 7:16 They continued STEADFASTLY in ONLY THE APOSTLES DOCTRINE. Acts 2:42 JESUS COMPLETE NEW TESTAMENT DOCTRINE.
It's not the building of people who sit in the church of Christ going to be saved it's the people that obey the word you sound like brain wash l know people that go to church of Christ they are so worldly love worldy music can not wait till church
time over but you are saved right married twice with the first husband still living. to lazy to read the bible