Once Saved, Always Saved? (Hebrews 6) - Mike Mazzalongo | BibleTalk.tv
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- Mike drills down into the Word and lays out what the New Testament actually says concerning the possibility of a Christian losing their salvation, once having been saved. (Hebrews 6:1-6)
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Great job with the Truth
In Christian love.
Great video. Everything supported by scripture.
Be saved from this perverse generation! This still applies today. God is the same yesterday, today and forever! 🙌
Wonderful teaching!!!!
If you could lose your salvation, you would.
You can lose your salvation, you just haven't yet. Is that right?
Don't forget my brothers and sisters when Jesus was cleaning the feet he wasn't talking about dirt he was talking about sin, read again in the bible and you will know that once saved is not always saved stay strong
If you could lose your salvation, you would.
Or another way is. You can lose your salvation, I just haven't yet.
@@endtimesarehere1322 I am not saying you can or cannot lose your salvation. With Jesus talking about keeping your oil filled in you're lamp and keeping your feet clean; I am just saying stay strong in the faith.
I have always wondered, if someone becomes a Christian and repents but has no way to get baptized.....what happens???
When does eternal life begin? When I trust Christ or when I die?
If we were once saved always saved then Matthew 24:24 would be a false statement.
This is another warning from God.
Matthew 24:24 in the Bible warns that false prophets and Christs will appear in the end times and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect, or God's chosen ones. The verse reads, "For false Christs and false prophets will appear and they will provide great signs and wonders, so as to deceive, if possible, even the elect".
If you could lose your salvation, you would.
Another way to think about it is.
I can lose my salvation, but I have done enough to keep it.
Or
I can lose my salvation, but I just haven't yet.
Well we are right because there’s nothing that you can do to save yourself and there’s nothing that you can do to get to heaven nothing it’s what Jesus did. It’s not what you do so you don’t understand salvation and I don’t think you ever will. It’s a shame there’s no reason for you to go to hell, no reason at all, but you’re choosing to reject the blood. You’re choosing not to believe in the blood of Jesus that’s your problem. That’s all of you people problem.
this is always the reaction of people when heard the truth. I believe while you're listening your furious but it's ok just continue of your faith and you won't lose your salvation.
@nolideladia9809
Let me guess, you can lose your salvation, but you just haven't yet.
In other words, you please God enough day to day and minute to minute to make sure you do enough to get to heaven.
How much does one need to do to keep ones salvation? What is the cutoff amount? Can you keep your salvation if you talk to 100 people, or 1,000 people, 10,000? 100,000? 1,000,000? How do you know when you have done enough? What's the number one must reach to ensure they please God and keep their salvation? What if you Anger God then die immediately before you can repent?
One saved always saved is true because it gives God the glory you’re not gonna get any glory for yourselves for you. Don’t even believe in the power of the blood. Why do you think you’re going to hell you are already cursed you are examples of those in Matthew chapter 7, you’re going to hell regardless of what you say I don’t care about what you say because I already understand the Bible. I am already saved eternally and going to heaven. See this is how God gets all the glory, you’re not gonna give Jesus the glory because you want to perform you want to be holy you want to do good and then say well I got to heaven because I did these things. I was obedient to God well there’s only one that is obedient to God and that is Jesus The son of God so at the end of the day you’re going to hell it’s 100% chance that you will end up in hell there’s a very little chance that you will ever change your mind because if you cannot change your mind on this issue, then you could be a reprobate, so you’re not saying you never were saved, and you never will be saved unless of course you repent, which simply means to change your mind the blood, the blood it’s only in the blood of Jesus where you find salvation
It’s very important for salvation to know this! Once saved always saved is false teaching! Please know and study your Bible. We can fall from grace. I pray you are faithful to the end.
Matthew 24:13
But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.
Those in the Bible that fell from grace ~
Lucifer-
Isaiah 14:12-14
Revelation 20:10
Cain-
Genesis 4:7
Unrepentant murderer
Judas-
Matthew 10:5-7
Acts 1:25
Rejected the faith
Satan entered in to him.
The 7 Churches and 7 Angels
Rev 1:20
Encouragement and warnings
Endure to the end OR there will be no reward.
Rev 2:5
Keep doing what is good!
Or else I am coming to you and will remove your lampstand out of its place.
Other Warnings-
II Peter 2:20-21
Hebrews 6:1-6
Hebrews6:7-8
I Peter 5:8-9
Warning to be sober minded, the devil our adversary is seeking to devour.
God wants ALL believers to be saved and God has given us everything we need to remain faithful by his word, his church and his spirit!
Don’t be deceived and stand firm 🙏🏼❤️
If I could lose salvation I would.
Seems clear. Pray, study and understanding will follow. Very helpful, thank you.
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Thank you Mike
Mike, I just want to thank you for your excellent work here! I'm going through the entire Bible using your videos. This title interested me, so I took a break from my spot in Hebrews to watch this one, and it's my favorite so far! I love the way you reference every important point you make with a Bible verse. It's just so reassuring!
If "once saved always saved" were a reality, the concept of apostasy wouldn't exist. We wouldn't have a word for the falling away of Christians from Christianity, because, well, "once saved always saved". Apostasy would be an alien concept for us. That, to me, is the most obvious indicator that "once saved always saved" is false.
On another note, what is it about Baptism that makes people so resistant? I don't get it.
Thanks again!
Good question and one that I have wondered about as well. My guess is that it is a humbling experience and, as humans, we’re not good at that.
- MM
Seems like an awfully huge risk to take to avoid a little humility. I mean, if we're wrong (we're not) and the anti-baptism folks are right, all that's happened is that we've done a little more than is required to get into Heaven. If we're right and they're wrong, however, they're risking their eternal souls over something they could do in an afternoon. That's crazy.
If immersion was truly understood would sincere
Believers accept what God commanded rather than the easy way of just faith alone.
The devil believes BUT is NOT saved.The only work is obey and repent...etc..
Do you also have a teaching on hell? I really like to hear
Not in this lesson. There will be a more focused teaching on this topic in an upcoming series entitled, “The Bible in 7 Passages”
- MM
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Rev. 22:19 Case closed, no such thing as osas.
Amen
I loved this except the Galatians reference. It was out of context. It’s talking about the push for requiring circumcise belief not the benefit of having circumcision if profitable.
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It's a slippery slope, biblical literalism. God gave us the capacity to reason, to learn, and to think. The Bible is a conversation between God, and particular people at particular times. In my experience, not many people strictly follow Calvin's tenants anymore, and I think the idea that "Those in other faiths don't know why they do things" is a little hyperbolic. There are nominal followers in every denomination, that doesn't negate a faith system. Personally, I think the most common Christian in the west nowadays is non-denominational, taking the most sensible and biblically founded elements from each denomination, because at the end of the day, non of us have the whole picture right. As commendable as getting back to the literal scripture is, it's not everything. Christianity and faith and salvation are the scriptures in conversation with the place and time in which it is read. It's all "for us", but it's not all written to us per se. So yes, is baptism a necessary step of salvation? Yeah, duh, the scriptures establish that and there is no reasonable reason to skirt it. But what does it do? What does it mean? That takes reason, it takes thought, in a word, it takes theology. In that sense, baptism is no different that circumcision was, it's a symbol of the covenant you have accepted. It isn't some magical thing that saves you, it's your choice to believe, and acting on that belief by following the traditions established by Christ and the apostles. You'll be hard pressed to find anyone who staunchly stands by determinism. So yeah... as someone who is currently part of the Baptist church, we do believe one's salvation can be lost. We aren't blind followers of Calvin or any theologian. Faith is a journey that you can leave at anytime, and one that takes active living out your faith to stay in the light. That's all. Dig the lessons btw, some of the sermons (especially lately) strike me as rather self-indulgent or prideful, but I don't really care. You all have my respect, if that's worth anything.
Thanks for your comments. Can’t say everything that needs saying in 30 minutes. Usually requires bold strokes. True that basic Calvinism has evolved and changed but this is where it began and the practices that stemmed from it.
- MM
@@bibletalktv absolutely. None before Calvin preached that this doctrine was biblical.
Jesus tells us we will be hated for righteousness. Peter and Paul tell us the same thing.
The works Paul spoke against was twofold. Primarily circumcision, of which grace removed the dividing line between jew and gentile. The secondary part of this is that the law cannot free us from sin, nor atone for them.
That atonement is provided in Christ on conditions. Conditions Paul would have known.
Ez 18:20-24
Isaiah 1:16-20
@Harry. Please read what the early church believed against eternal security. They took the warnings that believers can lose salvation seriously. Romans 8:35 is about God's providence for a tried and true believer that is facing persecution. The parallel passage to this is in 1 Peter 2. That if we're persecuted for righteousness God will be pleased. As Peter warns in 2 Peter 2, this protection is *not* for believers that return to sin. They are worse off than unbelievers for returning to sin. (verse 20-22 are very clear on this)
The early church took these passages in their plain literal rendering. When Nichomachus faced persecution on the rack, he denied the Lord to end the pain.
Denisa who was standing next to him when God struck him dead after he was released (similar to Ananias and Sephira that clearly lost salvation) said the following.
"that poor fool. He only had to endure a moment of suffering but now he will have to endure suffering for eternity."
Did Denisa believe in once saved always saved?
No. That's why when the authorities overheard her say that, they arrested her and had her beheaded.
Once saved always saved makes every martyrs death in vain.
Some reasons why Water baptism is not a condition for salvation...its a commandment and Acts 2:38 was preached to Jews, Christ baptized with Fire and the Holy spirit did he not? Was there not times that folks were filled with the Holy Spirit just upon hearing the Word preached? Yes.. Of course we should be water baptized as a petition for a clean conscious, it also represents Christs burial and resurrection... www.faithfacts.org/world-religions-and-theology/101-reasons-baptism-not-necessary-for-salvation
I suggest you watch the BT video entitled “The Baptism Wheel” Saves time in having to re-eat everything here. Thanks. ua-cam.com/video/ed75_jGI7hU/v-deo.html
- MM
I also disagree with Calvinism, TULIP, OSAS.. yet baptism is not a requirement for salvation, water baptism does not regenerate one..it is a public confession and a petition for a clean conscious.. Many teach Acts 2:38( was preached directly to the Jews) that water baptism is a condition of salvation...yet it is not as seen in many other places Romans 10:9, Acts 16:31 John 3:15 etc
One scripture doesn't cancel out another.
We can cite sections of the bible....we can cite statements made by the disciples. How about we reference what *Jesus himself* is quoted as saying, as the most direct authority?... and to add a level of "completeness" to what is shown in other scripture texts? Mark 16:16... "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved". Also, within John 3:1-7, Jesus says, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God". Can any of this be argued?
Mike can you not provide ONE CLEAR examples of someone in Scripture who clearly lost his/her salvation? 99.9 percent of Christians would likely agree that Judas and Satan (Satan?? really??? Let's talk "human examples") we're never truly "saved" in the first place
Furthermore,
1. what sin/sins could a Christian commit to lose his/her salvation?
2. How does one know if one has lost his/her salvation?
3. How can we lose something that is not ours to begin with?
4. So our sins are more powerful than the blood of Christ?
5. Christ did not die for ALL my sins, past, present, AND future?
LOTS of holes in your theory brother. Mind addressing any of the above?
How about one question and then a response? Pick one.
- MM
1. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall NOT BE FORGIVEN him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. -- Matthew 12:32
2. When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: AND THE LAST STATE OF THAT MAN IS WORSE THAN THE FIRST. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation. -- Matthew 12: 43-45
3. Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: BUT FROM HIM THAT HATH NOT SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY EVEN THAT WHICH HE HATH. -- Matthew 25:24-29
4. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE Son of God, AND HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, WHEREWITH HE WAS SANCTIFIED, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? -- Hebrews 10: 26-29
5. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and REPENT, and do the first WORKS; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will REMOVE THY CANDLESTICK OUT OF HIS PLACE, except thou REPENT. -- Revelation 2:5
5.1 REPENT; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. -- Revelation 2:16
5.2 And I gave her space to REPENT of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, EXCEPT THEY REPENT OF THEIR DEEDS.
-- Revelation 2: 21-22
5.3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and REPENT. IF THEREFORE THOU SHALT NOT WATCH, I WILL COME ON THEE AS A THIEF, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. -- Revelation 3:3
5.4 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: BE ZEALOUS THEREFORE, AND REPENT. -- Revelation 3:19
*** That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good WORK, and increasing in the knowledge of God; -- Colossians 1:10
***And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him. 1 John 2: 28:29
Simple.....what if someone loses their view of Christianity and backslides after the earlier time period where they WERE devout Christians? What then? What if the "Saved" person goes back to his/her "pre-repentant" ways?.... the concept is to keep believing and trying (as best one can) to "stay-the-course" of repentance and trying hard not to sin that way again. If you throw that all away,...consciously sin and not even trying anymore to be on-track.... you're back to where you were earlier. You're then a "back-slider". It can happen....you must "Stay the course" to the end.
Hebrews is also out of context.
Please clarify.
Saved by Grace........Eph 2:8
"Grace" is a free gift from God!
Justified by Faith.....Rom: 5:1
"Faith" is a free Gift from God!
We cannot "DO" anything to be Saved. Nothing is required on our part, except for one "to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ & you & your household WILL be Saved".
Baptism is a "WORK"
Baptism is a "CEREMONY" & Baptism is "SYMBOLIC" of a believer's Faith.
It therefore follows that BAPTISM is simply a public demonstration or proclamation of a believer's FAITH to other people. It is not meant to show or to prove one's Faith to God! He already knows. He gave us the free Gift of Grace so that we could be Saved.
Another point: LUCIFER & the 1/3 fallen Angels cannot & can never be SAVED! Salvation was only ever intended for Human Beings. LUCIFER or any other Angels for that matter, were never SAVED from their sins by the Shed Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. HE died on The Cross for the Sins of Humanity. Scripture never talks about Salvation for Angelic beings. Once Angelic beings "fall in to sin" & rebel against The Lord, they are eternally "lost" with no chance of Saving Grace. Salvation is a free Gift from God offered only to human beings, who respond to the Gospel calling. No offence, but your theology is a little twisted in these areas. So "Once Saved, Always Saved" is the absolute truth & it is Biblically sound doctrine.
Also I believe this to be true because when one is Saved by Christ's attoaning Sacrifice on the Cross & then one day, we lose our Salvation, then this implies that GOD MADE A MISTAKE! And GOD DOES NOT MAKE MISTAKES! God is fully in control once we respond to His calling & believe in Him. Christ is fully responsible to keep a believer's Salvation in tact, even if one "backslides in one's Faith or has momemts of doubt.
However, I do agree with you that CALVINISM's TULIP principal is mostly false doctrine & unbiblical in it's general broader theology.
Regards, Ben.
Baptism is more than a "work". As I review Scripture, I place a lot of weight of what Jesus himself says, if in conflict over what others, even the Disciples say. Example: Mark 16:16... (Jesus said)... "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. And this, said later in that verse--> "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a Man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God". And then I'm sure we can't remove repentance as part of needing to "believe", we have this--> Acts 2:28-39, where Peter says, ... "Then Peter said unto them, Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
As to the point of always-saved, if that were so, why did Paul write as many "letters" to the various early churches that he did....essentially warning them of losing their way or backsliding?. If OSAS, then he didn't need to do that.
@TheWilfirch, I posted that comment you responded to, about 5 yrs ago, when I was an immature Christian. Since then, I no longer believe in the doctrine of "once saved, always saved." I've been enlightened to that false man-made doctrine. I now believe in "Grace through Faith," Belief & Repentance" & Justification by Faith are the primary factors for ones Salvation. For the past 4 years, I have come to believe that a born again Christian can potentially forfeit their Salvation themselves, by backsliding, loss of Faith in Jesus, wilful unrepentant sin or by not persevering in the Faith, until the end of ones life. However, I still disagree with yourself & the preacher about Baptism being essential for ones Salvation. The example I would give is the thief on a cross next to Jesus. Christ granted the thief his Salvation by his belief in Christ & Repentance from sin, before he died on a cross with Jesus. Christ said to him, "I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise." So that thief on a cross is an example of someone who was granted salvation by Faith & Repentance in Jesus alone, without having the opportunity to be Baptised. I believe that this example shows that Baptism can not possibly be essential for ones Salvation. However, I do believe that if one does have an opportunity to be baptised, to express ones Faith in Jesus as a public proclamation, then one should be baptised, but not as a means to be saved! Baptism is a ceremony & it honours ones Faith in Christ, but a ceremony cannot save you, & for some Christians, it is not always possible to be Baptised.
@@mildura101 ...I appreciate your out-reach and further maturing in the Scripture, thank you for responding and telling me this. I have a ways to go myself...we all do. As to baptism being ( or not being) required.....consider this. Of all what is said in scripture, what better example can we give other than direct quotes from Jesus HIMSELF, even over other quotes in Scripture? Examples--->
Mark 16:16... (Jesus said)... "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.
John 3:1-7, as Jesus speaks with Nicodemus... "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again... he cannot see the Kingdom of God". Notice the "verily, verily".....taken to mean, "Hey, listen carefully and fully !
Later in this verse---> "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be Born again."
Going a bit further, Jesus gave (specifically) Peter the "Keys to the Kingdom" ( the methods Peter should use, to later teach "all", after Jesus' resurrection, on the methods for salvation)...
Matthew 16:18-19 Jesus says... "I say, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven". In essence, Jesus is saying, "I will no longer walk the earth, but I will give you the instructions to give to others how to be saved". From this point, then, we land here---> in Acts 2:28-39, where Peter says, ... "Then Peter said unto them, Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
As to the thief on the cross with Jesus, think of the word "Testament". Just like your own "Last will and Testament" here on earth......that document has no power until you are dead. Christ was still alive when he gave him a "pass"...so at that moment people were still under the Old Testament law. The New Testament speaks to needing baptism.
Thank you for that response. I do appreciate your knowledge and critique of the scriptures relating to Baptism as part of the process of Salvation. And I do not entirely disagree with what you have said. I will do some more intensive research on the importance of Baptism & Baptismal regeneration. I thank you for your gracious input as a fellow believer in Jesus. Being more mature in the Faith now, I am always open to constructive criticism of my understanding of scripture. So I do appreciate your comments & commitment to scriptural understanding & spreading the truth. As we both agree, each of us is on a journey in our spiritual maturity in the Christian Faith & one can never stop learning from each other & from the majestic magnificence of God’s Holy Word. I look forward to further discussions with you if or when another time arises. God bless you & keep proclaiming & sharing the Gospel of our Lord with all who are seeking the truth 🙏 🙏
@@mildura101 ..Wow.... actually, I am still a very "junior" person in this never-ending process of faith- learning and discovering,....you give me too much credit. I responded from my many notes that I keep as I come across "issues". That said, I appreciate the sentiment and am always open to discussion. On my current path, I am distressed to find 12-15 denominations of the Christian faith....."each" proclaiming the truth....."each" pointing to Scripture as backup for what they say.....yet "each" being different from one another in actions and doctrine. If you do the same you will probably find the same thing and be dismayed. I tell myself..... it seems ONLY Christianity is fragmented this way, not Hindu-ism or Buddhism...so it MUST mean Christianity is pretty much "the way" and therefore is the MAIN target of the devil.....who has so far been successful in sowing discord and confusion among the Christian faithful looking for "Answers", by helping keep these denominatons from reaching agreement. Therefore, I don't see myself ever truly finding the "common ground" that I search for, as much smarter and more influential church leaders could have done so over the past 2000 years....but haven't. So the best I can achieve is contentment within myself as to what makes the most sense and is scriptually most supported. Some others in my position go as far to say if you can't find total resolution among the various points expressed...therefore it must mean we are looking at this too closely, too "granular".... from too much of a point of "Biblical Literalism".....looking at stuff too closely and losing the main message. Kinda like the early Pharisees focusing on the 600+ points and "Rules" they kept in the day...yet they kept on missing the core point of faith when confronting and challenging Christ in talks, for what Christ did "wrong" in their eyes. Christ won these arguments...and the Pharisees were left dumbfounded. Keep on pluggin '.........