MRL Coal Helpers - Summer 2012
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- Опубліковано 24 січ 2015
- From my June 2012 trip. With the glint of the morning sun, a 5 unit set of MRL helpers tacked into the middle of a 15,000+ ton BNSF coal train, attacking the east grade of Bozeman Pass outside of Livingston, MT.
Let's wake the neighbors, turn those sound systems up to 11!
Captured in 1080p at 30fps, on a handheld Canon SX1 IS. Clips then run through iMovie 10 to stabilize, add transitions, and titles. - Розваги
Diesels, creaking cars, horns, the sight of multiple units … bravo!
Thanks airing the outstanding vid.Endeavors are unmatched.Bliss
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That 9 engine coal train required professional engineering to push that heavy constants up grade and keep a control rail speed. Alsome . That is a rail fan favorite.
Good video. I always like footage of coal trains. I like the overhead angle and the fades.
Excellent video. You can almost feel the raw power.
Manned helpers cut into a dpu train. Impressive!
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I have a friend that's an engineer and he said , an engine is so powerful it could pull its self in two,he was in a fatal wreck where a person got killed and the poor guy is having a really hard time even though it was not his fault,this happened in Indiana
Mark Staggs a engine can’t pull itself in two, it would just wheelslip
Love the sound of hard working engines no mater what make
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20 cyl. 645's REPRESENT.!!! give props to the three '70MAC's as well.
Ian Denton about 660,000 pounds per rail car
@@9carcottrell246 No, more like between 263,000 and 286,000.
That twat 9 car Cottrell ain't a train engineer/driver. He's all over YT with ridiculous claims on everything from Concorde videos to heavy haulage videos. lmao
@@9carcottrell246.... BS!! BNSF & UP coal drags (west) are allowed 100 tons per (Steel) car.... with a maximum GW of 263,000 lbs on rail. The newer aluminum cars can have up to a maximum of 286,000 lbs on rail, and on some divisions, up to 315,000 lbs with the "heavy axle" cars. However, there are several locations on the UP system that the rail cannot adequately distribute that weight (primarily on certain bridges), and so are restricted to a maximum of 268,000 lbs per car on rail.
9 car getting caught out, again lol
Lots a lot of brute power. Love it .
Super trains, great video !
Great Clip!
I wonder how the work out the configuration of the locomotives?
Incredible!
I've watched coal trains coming up that pass, they definitely don't move very fast!
The front of the middle locomotives are manned? I see some guy reading the newspaper.
The helper units are all MRL manned and are cut in to the BNSF train at Livingston depot. After the climb, the crew on board cuts them off and puts the BNSF train back together. There are 2 guys on the helpers, a conductor and engineer.
Wow amazing capture brother Big like
Wow 5 Mid-DPU engines on BNSF coal train great catch
Helpers, with an engineer & conductor on the lead unit and radio contact to the BNSF head end... as on all MRL helpers, Mid & shoving.
Man those locos were laboring . Awesome coal train !!!
They should be laboring.... with 15,000 (+/-) tons West Bound out of Livingston (MT.) from a dead stop and starting a train and almost immediately going into nearly a 1.8% grade, then into a 2+% to the tunnel at the top of the pass. I use to see them all the time, when I was trucking out of Billings (MT.) headed to CA, WA, OR.... and it was 4+% for the last mile+ to the top (on I-90) and then down at about the same rate of decent.
The MRL (BNSF) Track has less percentage (of the 4% - highway) of gradient (2.071% from the original [NPRR] grade (and tunnel) of 2.2% as it was cut lower to the pass in order to build the new tunnel under I-90 where the railroad transitioned from the north side of the interstate on the east side of the pass... to the south side of I-90 on the west side of the pass and then switched over again at the bottom of the pass a few miles east of Bozeman.
Damn...that's some serious tonnage going up a hell of a grade!!
On average 160,000 pounds per car. Running a fiat Alice tug boat engine with full inter axel wheel lock deployment and sand spreader. Bout 850,000 h. P. Tracktive drive. Can I get a throttle up. Notch seven please. Puuuuuullllll
@@xreconusmc3156... not sure what you're "on"..... but you sure have one heck of an imagination!! lol
Michael M.... and it's continuous, day and night with a slight drop off on the weekends.
@@Romans--bo7br sure got that right. Good ol' x Recon usmc still commenting a load of bullshit like that "other" halfwit, 9 car Cottrell 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Awesome!
A great video and a great spectacle but I think the sound quality let it down a bit - no deep exhaust rumble from those EMD's.
someone's probably answered this question so apologies in advance. The SD45s are the last two mid-train helpers, correct? Just wondering because I'm trying to figure out how to spot the differences between sd 40, 40-2, 45, 45-2 etc. Not that we have those where I am (Australia) apart from a few locally built variants, but the mass-built huge power they represent, well what can I say? Quite an industrial feat to make and then run them so hard for so long.
MRL helpers- Sd70ace, 2-sd40-2, and 2-sd45’s......
There are the champions that diesels..........
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It is said the power of the MRL locomotives are equal to that of a 747 aircraft
Cool video! MRL got one of the best looking SD70Ace out there.
TrainsOnGoPro 2015..... yes. they sure do, as all of their units.... and MRL is pretty consistent at keeping them clean as well. RJ Corman is probably the cleanest & sharpest looking fleet of motive power (actually, applies to just about everything they own) in the entire country.
Sd70’s are good an all but those two older emd 20 cylinder turbocharged sd45-2’s on the back middle sound the best.
@@stevekalis139.... MRL during the 90's and early 2000's had the largest fleet of SD45's in the country.... sad to see most of them gone, now.
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Ok, so I have a serious question. With so many engines, how does it all work? Is there someone inside each one or how are they controlled to work all as one? Is it just one person controlling it all? How do they all run at the same speed without out pacing the others in speed and causing wheel spin?
They are remote controlled by the engineer in the first locomotive. They are diesel electric meaning the drive wheels are driven by electric motors. The diesel motors are driving electric generators which in turn power the electric wheel motors. Those electric motors will typically turn the wheels as fast as the train is moving without slippage. If wheel slippage is detected by an automated system then sand is put on the rail in front of the drive wheels by a sander to help stop the slippage. If slippage happens it usually when the train is attempting to move from a stop.
brandon... commonly, Mid-train & rear helpers are known as DPU (Distributed Power Units) and if you see DPU's in a consist (train) then you can expect to see helpers "shoving" from the rear as well... and most generally you will see these types of lash-ups on "unit trains" (all cars loaded with same product) such as on coal drags, Soda ash, Ore and grain trains where the "Average" train tonnage (at least on Western routes) is around 15,500 tons and where there are gradients in access of 1.8% like on the Bozeman Pass, here in MT.
As far as your question regarding control.... "generally" when you have DPU's that are owned by the railroad that is loading and hauling the train to its final destination, and on its own rails... the DPU's will be operated by remote control (at a frequency of 457.925 MHz) by the engineer in the lead unit at the head end of the train.
However, in this case (video), it's BNSF's train... BUT, it is operating in MRL territory (since 1987) between Huntley, MT (just east of Billings) and Spokane, WA. with MRL train crews. When they cut in MRL power for Mid-train operation over Bozeman (cut in at Livingston before the assent), MRL also has a crew (engineer & conductor) on board the lead unit of the Mid-train "DPU" who are in radio contact with the trains head end unit engineer, because the Mid-train DPU will be cut back out at Bozeman and the crew will "re-tie" the train and then will either run "light" back over the pass to Livingston (about 28 miles) or, may have train orders as helpers/DPU to assist an EB back over the pass and down to Livingston.
They will cut in DPU's again to get over Mullen Pass (average wb gradient of 2.071%) as the train continues west bound (wb), at the Helena, MT. yard.
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Wow this is absolutely fantastic footage, 15000 tons up a gradient is incredible, no matter how many engines are involved, I live in Australia but man our coal trains are long but not like this would love to know the power of these engines and could anyone tell me if the Locotrol system is used on these heavy coal trains.
Traction effort like with those units 34,000 - 40,000 hp
The BNSF rear units, DPU, are radio controlled from the headend. the MRL helper set is a manned set with a crew.
I do have one question I’ve noticed some of the locomotives going in reverse does that damage the locomotives when they go in reverse?
no...
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Very Nice !!!
I think that one Big Boy would have been enough !
Jacques, from France.
Kepler Gso.... Would be nice if true, however the ruling grade on the Bozeman Pass (west bound out of Livingston) is 2.071% and with the western (from Gillette, WY.) coal drags averaging 15,500 ton trains (Not including motive power weight), a single UP 4000 class ("Big Boy") could not lift that much tonnage over a grade that steep.
The reality is that the heaviest tonnage ever lifted on any single gradient by a single "Big Boy" was during power tests conducted by the UP & ALCO (builder of the 4000 class) on April 3rd, 1943 on the 1.14% Wasatch grade (just west of the Green River [WY] yard), and "pushed" at a rate of 9,980 US gallons (37,434 litres) of water and 9.66 tons (8.8 tonnes) of coal per hour, "Big Boy" No. 4016 produced 7,157 hp (5,339 kW) at the cylinders while pulling 3,883 tons (3,530 metric tonnes) of train at 41.1 mph (25.527 kph) and recording 6,290 draw-bar hp in the Dynamometer Car that was coupled between the 4016's tender and the train.
A few other 4000 class engines used in the same test produced between 5,800 and 6,000 draw-bar hp under similar conditions, but not all of them on the same day, so variances in the weather, temperatures, barometric pressure, humidity, etc, etc... all contributed to the results of each engine that was tested.
The ruling grade between Green River, WY. and Ogden, UT. at that time was 1.14% which was later reduced to 0.82% and the tonnage capacity for the 4000's was upgraded to 5,360 tons (about 4,873 metric tonnes) at 20 - 25 mph. The original and "hoped for" design rating was for the 4000's to be able to lift 3,600 tons over the Wasatch Mountains (ruling grade of 1.14%) unassisted... the "Big Boys" exceeded that.
The engineers don't wave from the trains anymore, not like they did back in 1954
That's a lot of horsepower reassembled. Did they ever tought about putting catenary on this line. E-loc's do have a lot more power available than those diesels.
Crazy loco..
Amazing get
GE..??
@ 3:27 that door goes open!!
What is grade percentage here?
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GE's tractor upfront😂😂
That lead Burlington Nastyass unit wasn't doing shit sounded like it was ready for the scrap heap
j snidow..... that's typical of most GE power. : ) lol
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Theo Miranda ponto 8.
I know those trains I used to have to drive the engineers and conductors to those trains
👍👍 Sounding off!!!!
Those are DPU. . . Distributed Power... the Ace has the radio link to the head end. They aren't helpers.
Are you sure?.... MRL has an engineer & conductor on the lead engine on all their helpers, E & WB traffic. The helpers are cut In (WB) at Livingston and cut Out at Bozeman. EB helpers (shoving) are cut in on the fly at Manhattan (about 18 mi. west of Bozeman).
Nice.
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Eso si que un tren de mercancías y lo demas es cuento
I’m spooled up deep here. Running a fiat Alice tug boat engine with full inter axel wheel lock deployment and sand spreader. 850,000 tracktive drive to dah rail. About 43,675 horsepower together. Let’s go with throttle up. Notch seven please let’s puuuuuuuulllllll
you're a moron
@@PacificNWRailfan well said. Lmao
X Recon usmc.... you should be a politician, I've never heard so much BS in my life! By the way... in regards to your "X Recon usmc"... ever head the term "Stolen Valor" ?!!!? I think you and "9 car Cottrell" are one & the same.... Correct?!!?
@@Romans--bo7br yep. Both pretty much say the same thing, even down to "Fiat alice". His spelling, not mine or anybody elses....lol
@@jimgemmell2831.... thanks for your reply.... "Fiat alice"!!... that's a good one, and puts a smile on my face, as does his "850,000 tracktive drive to dah rail" What a "hoot"!! : )
Super !
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Unless 30.000 horse Power there
I like bnsf railfan on da west coast
20 cyl. 645's REPRESENT. !!!
Broken 4813.... the only SD-45's (20V645E3) in that lash-up were numbers 331 & 330 - 4th & 5th units of the 5 mid-train helpers.
They are reengined with 16-645E3!
Wow.. panjangnya
Are MRL's still around??
CSX Railfanners..... Very Much, so.
@@Romans--bo7br wow!! Where at? I wanna see one!!
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@@Romans--bo7br I feel their website is well designed, and feel like they are operated by a team of railfan.
@@pqhkr2002... Hi Tom, thanks for your reply. If you're referring to the link that I sent to "at CSX Railfanners" above... no, that link IS Montana Rail Links corporate website in Missoula.
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Looks like 2 out of 5 helpers are only working
4 out of the 5 Montana Rail Link (Mid-train EMD Helpers) were online for this specific run. The third unit, MRL 262 “SD40-2XR” was isolated. Some of the remaining (online) motors were simply exhausting cleaner than the others.
Love trains since I've been little and still love them today especially this video never seen engines in the middle woww outstanding seen more videos my favorite is when i type in trains racing videos excellent I'm 41 and i love trains until i die FRFRFRFRFRFRFRFRFRFRFRFR 🚆 lance-freakin-rollins has-spoken enough-said....
The Coal Trains up in Colorado also run with several power units in the Center of the Train and the Grade is Steep out of Denver after they go through the Front Range.
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how do multi-engine trains work? are they all set at the same speed?
They're set up to be controlled by the engineer from the lead locomotive via radio. They basically mimic whatever the lead unit does. Usually this encompasses the mid and rear-train locos, but I believe the mid-train helpers in this vid are being manned separately by another crew
Wait, so some of the engines are un-manned? Are those engines being controlled remotely somehow by the lead eningeer?
Lord Of The Depths I have them all sinc to my main engine sir. Captain and shift commander. Engineer LABONTE
@@AlbertaTrackside yeah...those mids are grade helpers. They stay in a specific area and help trains get through passes
@@JosephCee yes sir
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Junk MRL power in the middle lol
Not hardly!
Two comments on here. One from 9 car Cottrell and recently one from X Recon usmc. Funny how both are nearly, if not identical, with his Fiat alice (can't even spell it right) engine bullshit. This is the same person. Train engineer my ass. He claims to be everything from being an Ex Concorde pilot, Captain and Shift Commander LaBonte USAF Patriot Wing amongst a host of other things. LMFAO
Greetings. Running several fiat Alice tug boat engine with full inter axel wheel lock deployment and sand spreader. 3000 horse power each wheel , 850,000 tractive drive to the rail. About 660,000 pounds per rail car 160,000 tare. Let's go with throttle up notch seven please. Puuuuulllllll
That's some fancy talk.....you must be a engineer....?
@@NeilEAnlin is he fuck. Also comments elsewhere that he's an Ex Concorde pilot/captain, Ex USAF, USMC and drives a 9 car Cottrell car transporter. lol
@@jimgemmell2831 LMFAO whatever anyone's talking about he's had some kind of job that pertains to it.
@@NeilEAnlin pretty much so. Even claims to have a Harley Davidson Ultra Limited bike. Only thing he drives is his vivid imagination......lmao
Thing that really pisses me of is his USAF/USMC bullshit. That's an insult to those who have genuinely served in the Forces, wherever that may be.
@@NeilEAnlin check the recent comment from X Recon usmc. Does it sound familiar lmao 😂😂😂
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Fuck....I wanta get into conductor school! I have no wife...no kids...nothing keeping me from living a nomad life on the railroad.
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enough fuel burned here to keep my heated and traveling a lifetime. Nine engines turning and burning.
17K ton of coal from N.America to China; meanwhile general public pays up for Carbon tax, EPA rules and regs. BS!
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