Supports are NERFED - Overwatch 2 MID SEASON 7 Patch
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2024
- Some supports are nerfed more than others...
00:00 - Intro
00:17 - D.Va [BUFF]
00:48 - Doomfist [NERF]
01:13 - Roadhog Rework [Coming Soon]
01:33 - Winston [BUFF]
01:51 - Bastion [NERF]
02:19 - Cassidy [NERF]
02:26 - Mei [NERF]
02:47 - Sombra [BUFF]
03:09 - Symmetra [NERF]
03:30 - Widowmaker [BUFF]
04:10 - Ana [NERF]
04:21 - Baptiste [NERF]
04:41 - Illari [NERF]
05:32 - Kiriko [NERF]
05:38 - Lifeweaver [NERF]
06:05 - Zenyatta [BUFF]
07:17 - NEW Hero-specific Settings
07:35 - Console-specific Settings
07:45 - Illari Pylon Bug [FIXED]
08:04 - Outro / World Cup Drops
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Honestly not sure how I feel about the Zen changes til I play it. OWWC (Zarya/Echo) Skin Drops at twitch.tv/karq watch for 14 hours!!
Zen's new discord orb makes it impossible to survive based on who flanks you. Say you have a Tracer and you discord her. She recalls. Guess who goes back to spawn? Hint it's not Tracer
i think many of these changes were pretty bad, since the changes target higher elo players (players who are above diamond 3) they have the knowledge to use heroes that are strong to their advantage, but the rest like over 80% of the ow2 players will not know these op heroes and will not use them so often to their advantage. I think its little stupid to make so many big changes to the game only because like 20% of people are not satisfied with the heroes. I have many lower elo friends that definetly will not like these changes. (before any of you guys will shit talk me and say im just a average gold player, writing down nonsense. Im not a gold, Im a silver. Its was a joke, Im Gm 5 right now.)
@@Jumbob I play from every level from bronze to Diamond games between two accounts since I play Quick Play with friends. Trust me, even the bronze tanks were tired of this meta.
@@Jumbobthen learn to play better. If the patches were decided according to people of your skill level, they'd have to update every 10 minutes because it's so random.
@@Antonio-ys5zd exactly. in a duel against something like a tracer, 7 seconds is an eternity.
I’ve always thought it’s kinda funny that Zen’s abilities don’t have any cooldowns, now with this change it might actually be worth cleansing orb
Yeah the change is gonna make people think when to put discord on someone, just like Ana's nade. Can't wait to see how that affects Zen gameplay (especially by the high elos players)
@@dri4nr4dit37no one will pick zen in high Elos lol just watch
No it won’t since you just place it on someone else
You can't spam it now, it's will open a new 7sec widow for tanks ( especially dive ) to make a play.
@@dri4nr4dit37I feel like it just gives more incentive to stick it to the tank because most have less to no ability to escape LOS or clear it off themselves
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I couldn’t wait for you to come clear the cupboards
But now you’re going to leave with nothing but a sign
Another evening I’ll be sitting reading in between your lines
Because I miss you all the time
[Pre-Chorus]
So, get away
Another way to feel what you didn’t want yourself to know
And let yourself go
You know you didn’t lose your self-control
Let’s start at the rainbow
Turn away
Another way to be where you didn’t want yourself to go
Let yourself go
Is that a compromise
[Chorus]
So what do you wanna do, what’s your point-of-view
There’s a party soon, do you wanna go?
A handshake with you, what’s your point-of-view?
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And I hopе this works out
But you know how much you broke me apart
I’m done with you, I’m ignoring you
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[Verse 2]
And I’m awarе that you were lying in the gutter
‘Cause I did everything to be there by your side-ide
So when you tell me I’m the reason I just can’t believe the lies
And why do I so want to call you (Call you, call you, call you)
[Chorus]
So what do you wanna do, what’s your point-of-view
There’s a party soon, do you wanna go?
A handshake with you, what’s your point-of-view?
I’m on top of you, I don’t wanna go
‘Cause I really wanna stay at your house
And I hope this works out
But you know how much you broke me apart
I’m done with you, I’m ignoring you
I don’t wanna know
[Bridge]
You
Oh-oh oh-oh-oh
I don’t know why I’m no-one
[Pre-Chorus]
So, get away
Another way to feel what you didn’t want yourself to know
And let yourself go
You know you didn’t lose your self-control
Let’s start at the rainbow
Turn away
Another way to be where you didn’t want yourself to go
Let yourself go
Is that a compromise
[Chorus]
So what do you wanna do, what’s your point-of-view
There’s a party soon, do you wanna go?
A handshake with you, what’s your point-of-view?
I’m on top of you, I don’t wanna go
‘Cause I really wanna stay at your house
And I hope this works out
But you know how much you broke me apart
I’m done with you, I’m ignoring you
I don’t wanna know
It’s wild to me that LW and Zen got bigger nerfs than Illari, Bap and Kiriko...
No, that 1 second cd increase for kiriko was massive!
@@diablotry5154your joking 😭
Yeah LW gets a THREE SECOND nerf for the worst version of Bap lamp we have, and Bap gets two. Like what????
Bap & Kiriko: 👀
Nerfing illari and Kiriko to much = less sales for skin
I always think lifeweaver has the most healing in game compare to other healer is becuz his heal can be land consistently without fail compare to other support which u can miss his heal is similar to mercy but for lifeweaver u can actually sit back and spam heal i think his weapon swap speed shud be increase its too slow to use often causing teammate dying when u swap back lifeweaver is a healer that needs to pre charge his heal
My thoughts exactly!! Couldn't have said it better ❤
no no more lifeweaver buff he is annoying as hell to fight and his ridicolous healing is already too much not even kidding supports have killed the game for me ive moved on to a better game called the finals
I've played a decent amount of lifeweaver and I think he's in a decent spot atm, I personally think they needed to change the numbers around not nerf him but thats just me
What I would've done is:
change his petal cooldown from 10 seconds to maybe 7-8 seconds but make it last only 5
give him infinite healing blossoms but make it so they do ~60-65 max heals and if you charge it up all of the way it does an extra ~10 healing
Also theres a bug(?) with his pull atm where if you're pulling someone they can still get purpled. So I'd fix that.
And keep pull cooldown where it was (because he should get value from his kit not just by ramping up the numbers)
@@justanotherguyontheinterne8412 nah that wouldn't work out, lw is fine rn especially with a bunch of other supports getting nerfed. Lower petal cooldowns but shorter uptime just promotes using it for yourself, which is fine but i think they still want using petal to help your team being a viable option. Also infinite healing blossoms is broken, lw would just become a complete healbot, more so than he is now especially with even the devs acknowledging his healing output. And since you normally only charge blossoms halfway decreasing the maximum heals on blossom isn't compensating for the infinite blossoms.
@@justanotherguyontheinterne8412 Pull doesnt cleanse. It is not a bug.
For the control scheme QoL changes, I think the Lucio momentum option is the most intriguing and might have some impact on gameplay.
How so? What does it even do
@@layordz5158you can wallride automatically I think but it auto jumps so it isn't good tbh
Do you know how to decrease the rumble, especially on Lucio as it is annoying with the wall-riding rumble? I would want to revert it back to previous form.
@@GirusBetterThanVirusplease lmk if you figure out it’s awful
@GirusBetterThanVirus I ended up turning off vibration off altogether because of that. I don't think there is a way to b control wall ride vibration specifically
Personally I don't think the size of Baptiste's matrix should be nerfed,I mean it's a support ult so it makes sense that it should be a big window that the entire team can benefit from rather than him only using a small window for himself, even if it means other parts of his kit will be nerfed to compensate for that.
funny you say that, when baptiste first launched he just had a small window for himself but they buffed it to allow teams to be able to make use of it.
@@AaronWOfficial yes I know I've been playing overwatch since 2017, that's why i said i like his current ultimate better than his old one
tbh, Idk why they would nerf it anyway. In most situations, its just a delete tank ult and not much else and even then the tank sometimes manages to get to safety@@wizardanerik
@@AaronWOfficial i don't see why nerf his ult either but I've already seen a couple different overwatch youtubers/streamers talk about Baptiste nerfs and mention reverting his ult to its okd size so I dropped my opiniom too
Main issue for Lifeweaver still is you have to pre-charge to heal - so if you don't want to waste a huge cooldown & force crit teammates out of position using grip, you're forced to constantly be healing or anticipating needing to heal. There's no time for damage or any other utility in between. His heal numbers are so much bigger than the other supports precisely because that's his main thing. I would love if he could pre-charge at least one (1!!!!) heal so I can literally do anything else in a fight and not feel terrible I let a squishy die because I didn't have a heal charged
Exactly, his health numbers are so much higher because they’re so small and charge makes it that way, if I’m not constantly hitting people and I try to do damage my teammates die and then I die but when I’m constantly pumping out heals we win, so why tf would I not be always healing, the reload nerf sucks, the healing nerf sucks
Nah this is low elo talking. Diamond and higher life weaver can shoot and pull and HEAL! You gotta step it up
@@ilove3dsomuch doesn’t mean it isn’t difficult, also part of the reason he got nerfed, at the top ranks I’m sure his healing output isn’t as astronomical as it is in low ranks, low ranks heal bot, so obviously his average heal is going to be crazy, I guarantee his average damage was one of the lowest as well, probably above mercy and Lucio
@@ilove3dsomuchdefinitely low elo talking. his damage should work a bit like mercy where he only pulls it out of he really needs to. he doesn’t need to do everything when he already excels very well at healing
@@BloodRain222 Except mercy already contributes to team damage greatly from the damage boost. LW doenst have a damage amp.
The problem isn't that Lifeweaver's abilities are amazing or that his healing output is phenomenal, it's the fact there is literally no reason to shoot with Thorn Volley unless an enemy is right in front of you or dueling you. Adjust his weapon viability and adjust healing if need be. His abilities are fine.
Say it louder for the people in the back lol. Change thorn volley so that shooting an ally with it gives them a damage boost or something idk. Theres NO REASON to use it as it is lol. No shit his healing will be high, what else is he doing all match?
I think at least to make it more viable Is to increase projectile speed close up but slows down further out to work, or make it just echo sticky grenade but explode on reload
His thorn volley feels underapreciated IMO. The damage is really good and being a projectile it has no damage fall-off, the traveling speed is quick enough for some long-range dueling but slow enough to give a lot of enemies a false sense of security. No joke I often WIN against widowmakers because they don't take my thorns into account and if I'm accurate with the headshots, I kill those sniping hoes between their reloads.
Nah, mate, deathweaver is my way of life
Lifegrip is overpowered, it needed a nerf.
they're really nerfing cass lol, he has the 2nd worst winrate in the game, and that's on top of the only people playing him being cass mains.
I’m not sure I really agree with the lifeweaver nerfs. I know he was really buffed earlier because his win rate was bad, but that’s a different problem then his heal ability. The dev comment that says he’s been healing too much is true, but it’s not giving all the information. If you look at the amount of damage a lifeweaver has, you’ll realize that lifeweaver is literally only healing throughout most of the game, a tradeoff to keep teammates living rather than contributing in damage. I won’t pretend I know better than Blizzard, but “support” to me is a character/hero that can perform the roles of any other character, as in damage, but also has the capability to help teammates do that same thing, and other things, through creative means. The reason lifeweaver had to rely so much on pulling and healing is because that’s really all he can do. Unlike other heroes, lifeweaver doesn’t have a smooth transition between damage, nor can he do it simultaneously so it’s a tradeoff which can’t be avoided as you’d rather stick to healing than damage. Just wanted to give my piece, you don’t have to agree I just thought I’d contribute some food for thought.
+1, you said everything
I agree 100%. If they want Lifeweaver to be more viable doing damage, they need to buff his attack and make it less awkward to use with his kit. It still feels weird to me. I still notice that lag when switching to primary attack. Honestly, it's mostly good for a straight shot when you get the right angle and LOS to deter opponents such as Bastion. Maybe he needs a rework.
Good he shouldn’t be able to have the highest heals in a game AND do lots of damage. He’s basically a mercy with utility and that’s fine
Supports need to be based around mechanical ability, not supercharged healing. His pull and petal platform are both very strong abilities, so in exchange for that they nerfed his healing output. Nobody wants to be in a game where everyone is unkillable due to overpowered healing and abilities, while the supports are still able to essentially match dps hero damage as well, in a considerable amount of cases. That just makes dps a cosmetic role.
100% ON POINT!! I also hard agree with @goldndrew6614 and @thirtyacres7504. LW is only good as a healbot and Ult-canceller, no wonder all he does is heal in game because his dmg is pretty bad in turnover and TTK!! If they wanna nerf his healing they have to buff his Thorn Valley in SOME WAY. I want to kill enemies every now and then but all LW can do is poke them low enough that they run away, otherwise you have to be face-distance to secure kills
Of all the tanks that needed a nerf, it was definitely not doomfist
bro i already stopped playing doom because of all the bs going on we did not need this 😭
@@cooltwittertagthe thing is ppl think this is a small nerf but i dont think u can oneshoot someone anymore hitting empowered punch on them
@@cooltwittertag Tbf with all the supp nerfs you indirectly get buffed a lot as doom since diving will be easier now. So the stun nerf is kinda valid.
@@campythecowsupport survivability is the exact same 💀
@@Chip7006 bro supp nerfs = lower supp survivability due to increased cool-downs whatever. You can’t even argue that lol, it’s factual.
Nice David jacket!
I appreciate a lot this video, was watching someone else cover the update but it lacked this energy and editing that you bring!
for a second I thought it was KillJoy from Valorant💀
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@@amogusmusic8710literally thought the same thing!
I was a bit worried for Lifeweaver as I like to play him and after his previous buffs I think he is in a good place. Reducing his Healing Blossom ammo is only noticeable if you are on a healing spree but if you deal some damage in between it automatically reloads so no biggie in my eyes. Overall I think these changes to the supports are not as massive as I would have imagined.
Not to mention even in a healing spree, you will find small windows of time to recharge. Plus his lifegrip heals 50hp so it can be an emergency heal.
Not massive huh. Ana was already dead now she overkilled. Illari is dead now too.
@@sonicpulse535ana and illari were so broken in the owwc that they barely died and did more damage than some dps and their utility was insanely oppressive
@@sonicpulse535 Ana was the best hero in the game? She's still gonna be better than Mercy and Moira by a lot
@@sonicpulse535ain't no way you said ana was dead, quite literally the single most played hero in the game
Community: "Supports are too strong, they need nerfing"
Blizzard; Slightly nerfs most support and absolutely destroys Zenyatta...
And Lifeweaver. They give the players we actually complain about a slap on the wrist and nerf ones we don’t need a nerf to
I disagree about lifeweaver, most people use him for a healbot, and he consistently gets more healing than other supports. Reducing his heals allows players to not just sit there and heal their teammates along with pulling them from time to time. Zen's changes are questionable though...
@@noname-ek4yt Lifeweaver players are taught by everyone to charge to 40… 5 healing takeaway is really doing nothing.
i'd be accepting of the zen changes if it were just a cooldown if orb lost LoS or gets cleansed. i'd prefer to keep the ability to swap it between people at will, if only because it's so easy to accidentally put it on the wrong person in a group
Karq never dissapoints with these patch guides. actual dedication studying and structuring all these things. Massive respect
Why did they nerf dooms cc he's a tank wtf lol
Because he’s a fun character, that’ll teach you for tryna have fun on ow especially as tank 😠😡
@@spookyricetm8900 Doomfist was pretty strong though, multi target stun on low cooldowns. This is just another case I'm glad Blizzard didn't listen to the community
@@wandregisel6385 not really considering it was easy to counter him and yeah he’s got stun but again he can get shredded tryna hit multiple people at once, high elo he’s not that insane so i don’t see why nerf him, and this coming from a hanzo player who gets targeted by doom fist every chance they get
Baptiste immortality nerf wasn’t enough
Honestly? Yes nerf the health to 100 hp
@@wildeskompositum9556the supps are the easiest role in the game you can't change mind
@@NotRadeioSay that after you one trick Lucio to gm1
@@NotRadeiopretty much every healer requires more brain than every tank and dps, Moira while being the easiest requires a small amount of tracking and cooldown management and good ult usage and knowledge of when and when not to heal, mercy heal and dmg boost is straight forward but her movement is super difficult but has a high ceiling, Ana requires very good accuracy and good knowledge of when to heal vs damage and when to nade and sleep, bap has to have some of the most insane cooldown management in the game because his lamp is so good, his ult has a lot of potential and needs good knowledge of when to use it, bap is lowkey pretty brainless once you get his heal dmg going at the same time, Lucio is all about movement and when and when to switch modes, beat drop can change a battle or help a push, his shots aren’t the easiest to hit and his boop is very versatile, kiriko is lowkey pretty straightforward but her heals require pretty good tracking and her kunais are difficult to hit, illari is cringe, her heals are decent but you need to stop early or else it has a cooldown, her primary is good but you have to wait the small cooldown, her turret is pretty good for saving people, you need good ideas on placement, her ult is extremely powerful for a support but also has many counters, zen is very much a dps healer, his heals aren’t the greatest but his dmg makes him great, you need to pick the correct target with discord, you need to pick the right target with heal orb, and transcendence has insane potential for fights, lw has one of the most insane possibilities in the game with the addition of lifegrip and platform, life tree is amazing and can change a fight if used right, thorn volley is good but it’s difficult to know when and when not to use it, brig is probably the hardest healer to play without a proper team or a good comp because you have to get in there and not be slaughtered, her push is very good, her shield bash is very useful and her rally can also change fights, while dps is straight do damage, there’s many strategies but the goal is always the same while healers have to switch between, tanks I will say may require more brain or a little less, they have to make space and require really good cooldown control and ult control, Orisa is brainless while someone like doom fist requires a phd, a much more spread out role of brain
@@TreyFigueroa how can you try to defend SUPPORTS when you literally call them HEALERS?
I think LW will still be fine. Outside of not getting as fast as before, you still get it relatively quick, tree was left untouched, still has 50 burst of healing on his dash, and his health stays the same. The Blossom nerf is quite significant, but I don't think it will make him a bad pick.
@karq found a bug, the "cant discord" icon or whatever is visible on an invisible sombra beyond detection range lmao
Ah yes buff dva and nerf doomfist
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Yeah diva was already pretty strong
Doom is fine
@@Donobronah hes not, too much counters
@kasperkylavainio5405 so does like half the characters
I feel like every time Doomfist gets in a decent position he gets nerfed. Some others get nerfed for the fact they aren't balanced but it's like the devs don't want Doom to be just fine.
It's not a huge nerf but still, why does he always have to be lowered more than anyone else ?
doom is frustrating to play against, it need to be playable by a very low population to conter that i guess
@@DarksuN17 doom is only annoying to play against if the doom you play against is really good with him, and even then he gets countered by so many heros that you can probably make him swap really quick lol
I think these nerfs are reasonable since doom, when played by a good player, doesn't die and can wipe entire teams without breaking a sweat since he gets shield and can instant kill squishy characters without trouble.
@@R1L3Y007yet orisa can be played by everyone and be impossible to deal with, but they still choose to nerf the hero that needs a insane amount of skill to pull off
@@nezons Orisa is good for all to play, however when her abilities run out she is the easiest character to kill in the game.
It's easier to ration out doomfists abilities that's why he gets counterd by those who stop his abilities or stop them in general.
It's more a game of attrition between them.
lifeweaver may have big heal number but that's the only thing he can bring to the table. So it should be normal for him to have bigger numbers compared to healers that can spd/damage boost, do damage etc. The nerf is too harsh for me, like reducing maximum heal sure why not, but his amo was already his main weakness with him constantly reloading and it's going to feel even more frustrating to play, and his grab is already a niche option as is, i don't think nerfing it's already long cooldown was a good idea
Yeah ikr? Lifeweaver is the premier endurance healbot by design, don't punish him for it smh
Not at all the only thing he brings to the table, life grip and pedal are both great utility and he has one of the best ults in the game. I swear I feel like ow players don't even play the videogame sometimes
I do agree with u, but his reload change isnt that big of a deal as the good lifeweavers pre reload before the person their healing is critical
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not the tree, the aim-free invulnerability heal bubble, or the only ability that creates highground from nothing, but his healing??? i have nothing for this, stay in school kids
@@XxBurningBullet umm mei wall makes high ground from nothing too, plus lifeweaver has the worst of the 3 Immortality abilities in the support role, and his tree is also just pure healing
I really like the zen changes. They got extremely lazy with the other buffs and nerfs.
Im really underwhelmed. They barely touched the healing numbers.
The zen change is gonna feel awful to play as, but hey, at least tank feels better
@@mikeyfresca1247It’ll still feel really nice. You force tanks to exit a fight or deal with having reduced hp and most zen can focus on getting more picks with the increased discord range and being unable to prioritize tanks
Bap and Kiri got slapped on the wrist… unreal.
Honestly thought the zen nerf was really weird. Might help the average player, but zen is gonna be dead at high ranks
For me Lifeweaver high healing output was to balance the fact that he doesn't contribute, damage wise, to the fight and just focuses on healing 100%. Don't agree with the massive nerf
He’s a lot more focused on positioning, and there aren’t really any statistics to show people that
you also have to keep in mind how easy it is to put out his healing because its an autolock ability. that ease of use allows you to be conscious of other things (positioning, cooldown usage) and not really focus on healing at all.
It turned a complex character into a heal bot.
Good riddance.
@@LFanimes333it turned him into a heal bot... By lowering his healing? How does that make sense
dude....healing in general needed nerfs stop whining
blizzard once again addresses the issue by nerfing the wrong part of kits, but this does seem like a step in the right direction
Hello David Martinez. Nice of you to take over for KarQ with the season patch run down.
Supports got a scolding while Zen straight up got his ass spanked hard
ayo
Zen got buffed tbh
If that’s the case, poor Lifeweaver was beat to death
@@benjaminbuchler6064sure he gets higher healing which leads to ult faster but if they play heroes who flank and even ones who can cleanse discord via theur on abilities such as Tracer and recall then the Zen will fall over. It's a net neutral for the most part in my opinion
@@benjaminbuchler6064no ... No reason to play Zen over the other DPS supp now.
Bruh why is symmetra catching strays , she literally have a hitbox of a semi tank
according to blizzard terms the hog rework will never come because "its only a few more weeks for us to release it"
hey about the zen orb iff you're apling it on sombra and then on some other hero you can see the 7 second penalty on here while she is in invis... maby you can chec on that
I don't think LW should've been the only Support with Number Changes to his base healing considering he really only does healing while other supports have that and more active engagement utility. I think this really was a bandage to the larger probably, but manifesting Bap nerfs at some point...
I still think Kiriko's healing is too high compared to how easy it is to use it. Baptiste's regenerative burst is still too broken.
Yeah I don’t think his healing needed a nerf
THIS. Like wtf? Lifeweavers ENTIRE THING is just being able to be a defensive support, he cant even boost damage like mercy can lol. He contributes NOTHING to elims unlike every other support in the game ;l - and they nerf the only thing he can do well lol.
@@skylerfreeman1173These nerfs to him were good. It's the lack of equivalent nerfs to others like Ana and Bap that make LW be affected more than he should be in the upcoming meta
@@skylerfreeman1173gripping every mistake was annoying as hell for the enemies against it and he has disproportionately high heal numbers for a support that is hard to kill.
He’s going to be fine but yeah the other supports cd’s need tuning still
Doesn't seem like a necessary change for Sym and Lifeweaver to be honest
Lifeweaver was getting away with a little too much but the ammo nerf would've been enough. They didn't need to touch anything else. Sym was just barely viable in GM but now that's out the window.
I agree with sum she was only really dominate on ceryain maps, but lifeweaver they didn't even touch the main problems with lol I mean the nerfs are good but the fact that dude as 3 different escape abilities and one cab pretty much always be on cool down is kinda ridiculous.
@@LucreDenouncer i love the devs comments lmao. Sym cant even kill supps in long range bc of their passive... plus: if dps are healed 1hp between the first and second orb. you WONT kill them which it means heroes like lucio or brig make sym useless... so most of the time you still need 3 orbs + 100hp 100shiled nerf + turret nerf + ult charge nerf she feels extremely clunky whenever i use another dps i feel way more useful. And now they do this. Not gonna play her until they revert the nerfs, and i hope people do the same because this is just too much, sym alreadey felt trashy after the "shift of power" they tried to do with her.
They wanted sym to be more relient on her secondary fire, but 100dmg per orb WONT DO. She is slow asf, and you still need good precision with projectiles unless you are only spamming. Sym mains know how useless is the turret passive that reveals enemies. +95% is useless. Her health from shield? try it, is so so small that is extremely unimpactful.
So now she is kinda ok and situjational in long range, very very situational in close range. Who is going to play this hero? only in qp and defense or KOTH. They made her purely situational, the who*e of your mother will play this bloody sh*t hero in GM+ .
Soon as I saw the jacket, I knew Karq was David from Cyberpunk: Edgerunners.
As a dirty bastion main I don't like seeing my boy nerfed but I understand why and it's significant but not too much.
I like the Zen changes, he gets a little less squishy but has a little counterplay to him now.
Though they barely changed healing numbers for supports and I thought that was the thing most people wanted to have looked at.
Agreed, Bastion may do the most damage, but he has the biggest DPS hit box for a reason. The nerfs on support are barely considered nerfs when their core functions are exactly the same. The dev team cherishes supports and absolutely hate tank players.
@@scumknight6074bastion also has the most damage resistance out of any dps with armor + passive. Any nerf to bastion is deserved because he simply makes the game unfun
It pains me that bastion gets a nerf not cuz he does smth op specifically but cuz supports are so overbuffed. Having them healing bastion makes bastion near unkillable hence nullifying his large hitbox. Back in ow1 he had better spread, more damage resistance and self healing but was considered niche pick
@@invarkul7831 back in ow1 he was stationary and had a tank ult. Games different now. He's more obnoxious now and that's plenty of reason for him to get nerfed into the ground
@@diablotry5154 name 1 reason when it's bastion issue and not supports making him nigh immortal with their overinflated healing and save abilities. Bastion can be easily bursted down with hanzo, outranged by widow and ashe, slept, stunned etc. The same reason why one shot issue is so major in ow2 (apart from lesser players in the team) is cuz otherwise it's just too inonsistent to try and land 2-3 headshot in the row just to bring down pocketed squishy
Its official. Doom, who is worse than he was before being gigabuffed (in terms of stats), has been nerfed. It doesn't sound like that much, but punch/hand cannon combos only worked sometimes. Now it'll be so much harder.
"We really want people to be able to react faster after having been punched by a fully charged Doomfist which they should have already reacted to"
@@Druidloverthey mean get out of the stun faster. Imo his stun was ridiculous. Especially when your team doesn’t stop charging him.
Literally bro they’re acting like most support can’t escape doom fist already, this was by far the dumbest nerf outta this whole patch
season 1 doomfist was the best doomfist (if u add in the slam fixes, empowered punch on ult too). punch on 3sec, bigger empowered punch hitbox, block needing less dmg to get.
good,im tired of facing doom genji over and over and over.
I’m pretty on board with all the changes but the support nerfs feel weird. Ilari imo was done the best with putting her in line, but Kiriko got an extra second for Suzu, Bap just got some lamp changes. Nothing heal OR damage related was touched.
And then LW, the ammo change is fine and I would’ve expected a Ult increase, but???? Lower heals and 3 more seconds on life grip? If the other Supports got their numbers toned down then I’d get it but they didn’t lmao
Love life grip nerfs... saving 1 ally on a huge cd with no cleanse and repositioning them which can make them lose an elim... so busted hHAhhahaha... ha.. Lifegrip is ONLY really good because it allows someone to dive deep and you bring them back. I think thats fine because its a very risky playstyle and your weaver has to be ON IT. - it also wastes a potentionally lifesaving ability and leaves your teammates open. I think lifegrip is fucking amazing but they keep nerfing it ;l it has clear weaknesses and strengths.
Bap damage shouldn't be touched tbh
@@SnakeSkinz The only thing they need to change with bap is his lamp, burst, and ult
@@immortalgoat8791 Lamp and burst sure, ult i don't think needs a change. I mean it could go back to its original size, but that doesn't really change how I play since it's better to just use it selfishly on yourself unless you have really good team coordination
If they lowered his maximum healing, decreased his ammo and increased the lifegrip cooldown, he is already going to ult less frequently.
Yeah Im clocking out for the rest of this season. Catch yall next patch
I noticed while playing yersteday that zen's lock cooldown on his discord allows you to see sombras in invisibility! You don't actually see her, but you know we're she is. I think it will be fixed but it's quite nice though.
Oh dang, Patch notes from David!
that lifeweaver nerf is BRUTAL
He is good and fun to play for one season and they make him shit classic blizzard
@goldensucc1981 big dawg if you think lw was just "good" this season you need to play a different role. Literally the most anti fun character.
His only utility is life grip a defensive ability because he is a defensive support.He has no offensive utility which is ok he is designed like this but the only thing he is good at is keeping you alive.The nerfs arent that massive but i don't want him to go back to a mediocre trollpick that he was at his launch
@@goldensucc1981his blossom is able to pull people out of certain ults. Along with his life grip. “Fun”
No it is not, this much healing is not fun to play against, things should die in an FPS game.
LW nerfs are actually demented. Ok we're nerfing sustain, sure. Lifeweaver is a defensive hero, makes sense. So....any offset buffs to his offense? No? Oh, we're nerfing lifegrip harder than either Suzu or Lamp, on top of a healing nerf?
Actually why.
You describe me PERFECTLY. You’re hating exactly what I hate.
First two changes a dva buff and doom nerf💀💀💀
Master 5 Zen onetrick here:
I don't dislike this new pseudo cooldown on discord, in fact I think it's better than many other changes they made it like reducing his range; but considering how quickly it removes when breaks los (2 sec) , they definitely should increase duration to 4 sec st least, also 7 seconds will definitely feel awful, maybe 5 would be a better start? I would even prefer that than 25 extra hp.
Finally, I'm fully convinced that before any buff/nerf they NEED to add the option to cancel the volley manually, it's so stupid to kick the air just to put harmony to an ally
Since you're in masters could I get your opinion (Zen is my main support and I'm in gold/plat on console) I agree the times should definitely be decreased but I personally fell this new cooldown is just shit in general. It's bad because in a lot of 1 on 1 situations you are screwed, tracer recall, sombra translocator, mei cryo, reaper wraith, moira fade, kiri suzu, and probably others. It's so easy to counter LOS then jump zen cause you can't get discorded again. Zen is soooooo much easier to kill now. This is such a major nerf compared to the other with 1 to 2 secs change while zen gets 7.
You’re absolutely right. 7 is insanity. It’s a lifetime in a game like OW. Blizzard doesn’t know how to start slow. 4-5 would’ve been perfect but 7 is just overtuned. And not being able to cancel the volley charge without kicking is like the crouch option they just added for Echo and Mercy in this patch. Something they should have 5 years ago.
Why nerf doom and keep the horse the same
Because the devs play orisa so they don't want your character to be weak
I want to know if there will be any adjustments to achievement. Some of them are much harder to get to now than launch so I feel achievements could be adjusted based on any big changes. An example is Cassidy’s magnetic nade since on launch, it could eliminate opponents but now it would be harder to get 2 elims at the same time with 1 nade.
I know that some people won’t go for achievements but it’s just a thought
I think this is a valid concern
I played some competitive games on the new patch on console, and I must say: the new vibration features are terrible! If you turn it on you get weird vibrations for stuff like solider sprint. But if you do not turn in on you do not get the bap jump vibrations I used to like.
Tbh, as a zen main, I would expect them to also increase the timer on the discord expiration when out of LOS just like they did for harmony in this patch (but perhaps not as much) because now you can deactivate it by playing around cover (typically when reloading or regenerating) and then not be able to effectively juggle it when you re-peek.
I think the support changes are a little underbaked for example what you said about ana is what I think most people would prefer it being a healing reduction and not anti healing, for ilari I like the damage changes but I think the pylon could still be toned down or in a more extreme case buffthe pylon a little but remove her beam healing to put more emphasis on her being a healer ment to hold a chokepoint, and Baptist needed a damage nerf or or window reduction as you said but it could also due to reduce his healing ammo so he can't just spam it on one person as much to make them functionally immortal
I need that jacket! I love Edgerunners. Where did you buy it from?
Can Sombra “cleanse” discord with translocator and have the discord “timer” be applied immediately?
As a LW main, not sure why LW was specifically targeted for the nerf chopping block when Ana and Kiriko were hardly touched. His healing and lifegrip are not an issue, his ult and survivability from dash and extra health are his main issues. Tree grants insane value, and is relatively easy to build, while his rejuvenating dash and extra 25 health make him even harder to dive.
well look at ana and kiri’s winrates recently, specifically kiri 💀 they aren’t that high compared to illari, bap, lifeweaver, they’re the ones with insane broken heals so it makes sense why they were on the “chopping block”
@@armando5994 How exactly does Ana not have insane heals? Her insane heals per second, combined with the biotic grenade effect make it incredibly difficult for an enemy to kill the person you are pocketing.
LW at least has to charge his heals before he uses them.
Winrates are not the best way to determine if someone needs to be nerfed, especially when Ana and Kiriko are very popular picks compared to LW. Ana and Kiriko require good aim to get full use out of, which is why they have lower win rates. Most people don't have perfect aim, and aren't playing the characters effectively, therefore bringing the winrates down on them.
Ana has one of the best kits in the game with a teamwinning ultimate, and the same can be said for Kiriko's cleanse and ultimate.
What you are forgetting is that LW doesn't have much offensive capabilities compared to Ana, Kiriko, Bap, and Illari. They are all hitscan, or have fast firing high damage projectiles, unlike LW's thorns. His main thing is defensive healing. He needs to have good heals.
To my Doomfist brothers... 🫡
That nerf was unnecessary. How about we just take away his punch and his secondary. And his new ability is he stares and you and asks you nicely to let him win.
@@Osotheb0xerthats… thats way to broken
@@Osotheb0xerhe was consistently overperforming at low and high elo. That usually constitutes a nerf I don't understand why doom players think they're own hero is bad despite his clear advantage over other dive tanks
@@Osotheb0xer end dey sey
@@alexanderlane2971 data doesn’t mean everything it’s because doom is fun he’s in the same boat with Genji
I saw that miss on the Winston snipe in the practice range
the anti to become a healing reduction…. idk about that one
Not my stupid ass thinking his costume was Phoenix from Valorant bro 😭😭💀💀
A Doom nerf but no bug fixes... Guys. We're starving. Please.
That’s David Martinez from Cyberpunk right? If it is that’s really cool KarQ! 😄
But damn as a Lifeweaver main, these nerfs are going to make it a little harder for me to support my teammates. 😬
Aren’t you the MC from Edgerunners? I don’t remember what his name is, but I recognized the jacket immediately
This Zen nerf is gonna turn me into a Zarya main.
Potential discord orb change: Instead of making it no longer be able to reapply, they could make it so that the damage received increase ramps up over the course of a few seconds. Alternatively, they could make it so the damage received increase ramps down as their hp goes down. Just some thoughts on other ideas.
Think ab this, Instead of monkey braining only looking at tanks USE THE ORB ON ANYONE ELSE??????
yea its a pretty significant nerf to zen really. He's gonna be super squishy now. +25 hp isnt gonna save him when divers can easily drop discord and reengage
Thats good, he needs to be squishy, if we do this to all supports and make them actually diveable we'd have a good game@@mynameisebonydarknessdementiar
what i mean by that is that he would be too squishy to be fun to play@@cuppy1199
Zenyatta is discord orb, the main part of his kit
Reducing it's effectiveness of the single ability that makes him unique makes him crumble as a character
The exact same thing happened to Roadhogs hook and now he's getting reworked beacuse of it
I can understand why but 7 seconds is just way too long. Especially with how easy it is to shake it. You could even change it so it disappears behind shields in place of this. I think that would have more impact honestly
The cooldown would have been significantly better at 3 to 5 seconds, seven is way too much, and this is going to make him more of a target, since enemies will immediately know Zen's Discord cool down for them and bum rush him, which sucks because he still doesn't have any self-sustain or mobility. The Nerf itself is perfectly fine, but making it that long is unnecessary, which is probably why they said they were going to keep an eye on it
You make it lower and he just gets to put it back on like nothing happened. Imagine Zen needing to play with his team for protection. Couldn't happen
@@diablotry5154 dude it’s stupid easy to shake off though
@@diablotry5154 I’m not against the nerf. I get it. I just think 7 is to much. 3-5 sounds good especially since his mobility isn’t changed, he’s nothing without discord (it’s the main reason he’s easy to pick off (discord makes you think twice and play smart), with recent sombra changes 3:5 sounds fair but 7 makes him defenseless at 1 on 1s which is where he’s supposed to shine. Not his healing. It’s ass. His play style is offense. I get the change for a 5 man game but I just think 7 is too much. Not trying to be rude. It’s not hard to shake off which is why I say making it go away behind a shield would be more effective for what they’re going for and gives you a reason to play shield characters. As it is they need a lot of help and I get why they’re scared of bugging them but that would make them more viable without butchering zen. If not, like icy said, 3-5 seconds sounds like a fair area
Why did they nerf Lifeweaver and Zen more than anyone else?
How about they fix the radius on Ana's grenade? now I gotta directly hit someone with it to apply the healing I can no longer splash it to affect multiple targets.. the radius is deff messed up.
I feel like as team play, supports should have lower survivability BC the tanks/dps help protect them but in reality they don't, especially in low-mid elo so that high survivability helps so much
They should give Widowmaker rocket launchers because lower elos players can headshot anything
This guy gets it. yeah let's balance the game around low elo XDDD@@MrSevenup14
In lower elos its arguably worse tho. Because the players don't have the aim or game sense to deal with a baptiste who stood there for a second and thought to himself "hmmm what if I tried doing some damage along with my healing." And then the team he's facing is gonna start blaming and flaming each other because they're bad at the game and ignorant. Imbalanced characters hurt every rank.
they shouldn't be balancing the game around low elo
@@ducasse8473Low elo can't aim with Bap lmao
I just can't believe they NERFATED Doom, ridiculous lol
I would like to know who is in charge of these changes because why would zen recieve cooldowns ON THE ONLY ABILITIES THAT GIVE HIM VALUE??
KarQ, is that David Martinez from the Cyberpunk anime? Looks great! It's also looking like a great Halloween with this update!
I've been maining Zen since the ye olden days of OW1. This isn't the right move. I honestly think he's perfectly balanced considering he's so easy to deal with.
as a zen one trick idk if i agree. but i do agree that this nerf is annoying. i think the LOS time on discord should be back to 3 secs and this new discord nerf should go down to 5 secs. i like that they brought the range back and i like the hp change. the healing orb change may be too much of used on ur tracer or sombra teammates but i like it regardless. don’t know why they touched zen more than the other OP supports lol
How did they go from week to overpowered when nothing changed? 😂
I wonder if they fixed bug when brig shield sometimes doesnt work on projectiles and explosions. Got kinda tired of bieng 1shtoed by hanzo/clipped by shatter and dva mech/ hooked through shields. Rip zen btw
Your dressed as the Cyberpunk: Edgerunners main character, David Martínez.
Awesome anime by the way, I cried.
lifegrip nerf was unnecessary
lifegrip was fine .. it’s tree that was the problem and what people were complaining about ..
the fact that tree can outheal/counter 80% of all dps ults was broken af and the tree lasts forever and blocks LOS??
There is no way blizzard is so bad a balancing. Why would they nerf Symettras health??
Just because her secondary fire is better doesn’t mean she doesn’t use her primary anymore, she still has to get up close and is still hard to stay alive as Symettra. What a stupid change…
That is David Martinez from Cyberpunk Edgerunners
Did they change the primary fire (damage) for Baptiste in some of the previous patches? I could swear it feels slower.
Blizzard would never make necessary nerfs so no, probably just you maybe
Lifeweaver nerfs were so unneeded 😭😭
They were DEFINITELY needed since the other supports were nerfed
@@joto5459ok, where is mercy, brig and lucio nerfs then, if ALL supports should be nerfed
@deekey2258 Homie, I literally said "since the other supports were nerfed." I never once said every support needed to be nerfed, they nerfed the problematic ones, and that's great!
@@joto5459 I dont think lw is problematic, he doesn't deserve that nerfs, ana deserves alot biggier nerfs, bap deserves, illari, but not him, the only thing he can do is heal spamming, his dmg is garbage, but even with that information wood5 people continue calling him op
@@deekey2258 He 100% did, Pull + the healing numbers he puts out is oppressive.
zen is completely useless now. maybe give him something instead? like a decent heal maybe?
The Edge Runner fit is great KarQ
Your doomfist stun showcase is wrong. The full charge stun WAS 0.25. The “maximum” stun duration of 0.6s refers to EMPOWERED PUNCH.
With discord being on cooldown and with more counterplay, maybe they can finally be less afraid of giving him some kind of mobility since discord was the major reason they wanted him to be so easy to dive.
How busted would the April fool's mobility patch be for Zen?
bruh we finally got a zen nerf after 7 years AND he also got buffs so nah he does not need compensation buffs
@@BloodRain222 either this is hyperbole or you never checked the patch notes, because Zenyatta had a nerf literally last season and Jan. 2021, both of which were massive nerfs to Discord.
@@BloodRain222they nerfed discord range and -5% discord effect before and I think projectile speed and decreased the time it lasts without los but sure
@@icyatlasartworks i meant a real nerf to the problem of perma discording the same player all game so no
and with all that aside suggesting a hero like zen gets mobility is just hilarious
I feel like the longer support nerfs will have the wrong effect. More downtime between cooldowns means less healing over the span of a match, so dps supports still gonna dominate 🤷♂️ imo
Supports have been dominating the game not tanks and certainly not dps what?
@@SharveyPlaysI think they meant supports playing as if they were dps
@@Ott3rpup oh I misread that completely
@@SharveyPlays no worries, we all make mistakes sometimes ^^
yeaaahh, a support shouldn't be rendered fucking immortal just because of what they can do, and they sure as hell shouldn't be able to output enough damage to combo kill dps characters faster than the other way around
Where’s you get the David jacket?
missed the 40m shot at 1:39 lol
such a shame that blizzard can't decide what to do with cassidy's nade. no real reason to play him when he's outclassed by every other hitscan dps.
Glad to see that LW was sent to the shadow realm while Bap got a slap on the wrist
Always :D
Thank you for going over this! ♥
Interesting how Lifeweaver isn't even meta, yet he got the biggest nerfs.
Also, this patch won't change the meta, at all. These are the kind of changes they did in GOATs, and it did nothing to stop GOATs.
listen, the zen change was needed, but in comparison to the weak changes the other supports had, it comes off as absolutely burying a character who was already not all that meta because of how strong other supports are. I stand with the idea that ana nade should have its instant burst dmg and instant burst healing removed, making it just amplify/negate healing; bap's field should be a 75% dmg reduction field not a death nullification field; and illari's pylon should have a 5-6 sec up time before destroying itself and going on cool down for like 3 secs to make her more of a low healing output, high dmg glass cannon like zen
poor zen, if only he was getting the collab skin instead of kiri maybe they would nerf the chars who actually need it
Neat ideas but biotic grenade should be reduction not negation.
ok but being heavily punished for existing as a tank just for existing was terrible
I feel like these support nerfs may be enough to be able to effectively dive them once again. The cooldown nerfs on their strongest abilities makes them way more vulnerable to dive heroes. We'll see how the changes play out though.
They still need to remove the passive healing that supports have, it's mainly why they are OP since release of overwatch 2.
@isak1496 that would work... if we had two tanks. Removing the passive will kill majority of the supports.
@@isak1496no passive heal might actually ruin supports. They need nerfs but not to the passive
Never thought I’d see the lifeweaver nerf
what is that goofy up arrow next to zen in the thumb nail
Karq u are goat fr. Like people don’t give u the credit u deserve. U taught me the game and when I got decent at it I started telling people to watch ur videos to get good and understand the game. And here we are like 7 years later and u still teaching people how to play and still pumping out quick and great content. Thanks man 😊
Zen is now a throw pick at high ranks, calling it now.
He was already a throw pick at high ranks lmao.
@@1Meepman recently yeah lol, he had some moments in OW2 depending on the meta but regardless of who's being played, I don't think zen will be viable with these changes
discord orb can have a user meter where it will drain when its on an enemy
I have seen 3 videos about this patch and your definetly was the best editted
I feel like ball is indirectly buffed this patch due to nerf of slows and healing output
Dudes already a fucking menace. Ball meta inbound
I honestly believe Illari would be better off as a dps, making healing pilon only heal her at a much less amount, similar to soldier biofield for self-peel, and making her secundary fire a damaging beam for when at close range, nithing too spectacular though
Facts
no.
if they take supports ability to deal damage, they should also make soldier unable to heal himself
@@enyrem Nothing to do with not letting supports deal damage, its that her whole kit feels more like a dps, hence why shes so fun. Some minor changes to her kit and she could be even more fun, in the dps role.
@@enyrem bap, kiriko and zen can all do lots of dmg, but they still feel like supports. Illari plays as a third dps that throws pilon to her team for heals while she goes in to only focus on dmg. I think she would be better and have a healthier impact as a dps (and more fun Even)
That man is David from cyberpunk edgerunners. Peak netflix watching experience
Ok but can we talk about David's jacket, WHERE DID YOU GET IT?