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very cool to see the experience of a new doom player. and yep you're right about the counter picking part the higher you climb the worse it gets. every game in t500 players will counter pick me and make my life so much harder (probably knowing i wont swap to a diff tank lol) if you want to main doomfist it's probably recommend you have another tank hero in your pool. mine is queen and now shes busted 😂 anyways i hope you can try tracer next shes super fun and difficult and feels so rewarding when you outplay your opponents
@@willmcclard206 yeah that's how I try to play. I enjoy competing as well as I can without resorting to counter picks. People are able to shift their rank up a bit by counter picking, but you're ultimately not really improving at the game. To fundamentally improve at the game you should learn how to outplay your counters.
It's the same in gold. We are all worse, but the effect of the counterpicks is identical. Naded, speared, slept, hacked, fortify, windmill, JK trap, suzu.... me trying to learn to 'cycle my cooldowns ' 💀 ☠️ 💀 ☠️ -"Um, could we swap off doom? Don't think it's working.... " 🤬
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I think one thing that was sort of lost when OW2 switched to 5v5 was there fact that if your single tank got counter picked, it becomes much harder to succeed without switching. Having two tanks allowed for more flexibility and that affects tanks a lot
The worst part about overwatch 2 is that the devs promised it wouldnt be a counter pick type game. When it is. I cannot stress how many times I've wanted to try out a new character in quick play and get absolutely stomped by counters, forcing me to default back to my mains or what me team needs. Its exhausting trying to have fun with a game like this, and the devs really dont see that.
very annoying happens to me ever other game where I would be dogging on them with ball and they pick orisa, Sombra Mei. To completely counter me at first it was tuff, but then later in the game you realize that they dont really know how to play the characters so there knowledge on them are limited
@@williamjackson5598 That'd be an amazing point if counters weren't HARD counters majority of the time. JunkRat for example is countered by D.Va and there is no "Learn the match up". D.Va's shield alone blocks 2/3 of Rats kit. Meaning Rat is useless if the D.Va just exists and acknowledges the Rat's existence
@@williamjackson5598if you are just barely starting to grasp the basics of a hero and the entire enemy team hard counters you it’s near impossible to learn how to fight back if half of your gameplay is in the spawn room
Challenging. Like genji. Not bad. his value is spelled out. High mobility tank with an amazing cc on a 4 sec cooldown. Not op put respect on his damn kit. Obviously you win games because he has some good value right?
Don't let the Orisa / Sombra counters discourage you. As a Ball main, I can confirm they forcing your opponent to switch just means that you're playing the character very effectively!
It's easier for ball to survive orissa and sombra counter. Cause he has so much hp. But doom relies on dealing damage gaining that extra overhealth you have to be really a kind of one trick if you wanna master doom
Tank counter swaps getting in your face is a major reason why using punch to get out can sometimes be quite risky. Slam gives you some height to escape corners or when your path is being blocked off. Also no windup and instant momentum even if you get hacked.
I absolutely love this series!! You’ve proven so many people wrong and have encouraged me to expand who I play, keep up the good work! Also your voice is so soothing omg
As a fellow doom enjoyer, that last part is exactly how it feels. I’d love to see a hero that has massive misconceptions about it being next on the series, like Moira . Her ability to extend aggression and/or maintain ‘attention aggro’ through TikTok’s signature flanks does provide support to the team in one way or another, and I’d love to see how the learning process would look like.
As what is essentially a doomfist 1 trick now at this point- That part about the prevalence of counter picks, working twice as hard for half the output, it hit hard. Its amazing how frequently you will *literally* win 1 fight as doomfist- and the *immediately* outcome the counters. Clackityclack clackityclack clackityclack, here comes orisa, hog, sombra- And then of course heroes like Zen and Ana- Which are in the game all the time *anyways*? Its a rough life.
i've been playing doomfist since release and i am only a casual player but i would consider myself an expert in the hero, you definitely picked up on some of the most vital things quickly. when you really start to get good is when you don't even have to think about it, all you decide is targets or where to engage and the rest is just muscle memory. beautiful
Seeing Sam coaching is such a wild departure from him playing ranked. Definitely picked the right guy for the job here even if you could get like ZBRA or something, I doubt they’d have been nearly as effective at coaching. Also the genuine excitement for seeing you succeed is so damn wholesome. Side note: Orisa is such a poorly designed tank IMO. She has multiple counters to every other tank, can cancel and/or negate most of tank ults by accident and overall has no fun tank matchup. Doomfist almost definitely gets the worst of it but every other tank is just nothing but frustration when dealing with her and because of he overlapping abilities having a pretty short cooldown cycle, its basically impossible to outplay her unless they use all their cool downs at the same time and also don’t have ult. I don’t think she’s overpowered but I think she’s just garbage for the game and I’m afraid they’re gonna buff her to higher viability with stats alone.
One of my best tips is that when you know you are going to hit an empowered punch, aim your cursor at head level, then just walk forward and shoot without aiing nearly at all. if you punch them into a wall you will be close enough (90 percent of the time) to where just walking in with your cursor aimed generally at their head will basically 2 or 3 shot them every time. sometimes i flick to get the head after a punch and im way off.
You really hit the nail on its head. The counterpicking on not only Doom is just frustrating and it just sucks the fun out of , in a vacuum, pretty fun characters
That's the thing in overwatch, if the enemy decides "let's cancel this guy" they can do at any time and make you miserable. At higher ranks it's absolutely crazy. The game in theory is there to have fun but you can be literally denied playing.
Devs should make it so you can only switch heros once per round for each player, that way if a sombra counter picks you for playing doom you can counter pick in return with another tank.
This is why I advocate/suggest his "Best Defense" to also have a "CC Nerf System" where whenever he gets over health with one of his cooldowns he gets at least 25 to 30% resistance to things like Ana nade, sleep dart, hack, Ashe's dynamite, and so on. Coz on paper, Tankfist is fine and not bad, the problem is that the devs kept his counters back in his DPSFist era.
I'd say Doom also needs a secondary passive where each time he hits an ability (slam or punch) he takes a second off any of his abilities that are currently on cooldown. The max would be minus two seconds and would encourage Doomfist to actually commit more to a fight instead of having a huge amount of downtime, plus he only has two abilities that do damage.
I'm glad you pointed out how it feels to be a "dive tank" main. You win one fight and the other teams instantly picks 1+ counters. The game becomes no fun when you get borderline invalidated because someone exists
The thing is for us OW old heads aka the OW1 players, it was optimal for us to be good with at least 3 heroes per role because of counterpicking. But what softened the blow--and you mentioned this before in your podcast--is keeping the ult charge(up to 25%). In OW1 if you swapped you started from scratch. In OW2, you swap and you can build ult quick esp with heroes as Ram, JQ (at the time of this comment with her mega buff), Sombra, Ana, etc which makes the counterpicking almost unbearable as a SOLO tank. Imo, counterswapping isn't an issue per say as we should be used to it, it's the fact you keep ult charge that makes it so frustrating
I wish they made the ult charge proportional. So if you had 100% of your ult and you switch, you get 25%, if you had 50% ult and switch then you save 12.5% and so on. This softens the blow of swapping without making it OP to swap after losing the first fight IMO
Great video! Getting some Power Block buff would be nice, so Doom is less susceptible to CC. Other absorb/block-type abilities get so much value with less risk, Adaptive Shields, Fortify, Kinetec Grasp, provide instant overhealth/shield, or eat projectiles. Would it make more sense if CC just broke Doomfist's active block? I don't know, I just want people to be able to play the game.
That Last Segment hit hard as a Doom Main. Despite everything, this game's design just doesn't allow every characyer to truly thrive, especially Doomfist. I just want to enjoy the character I found the most engaging, but it feels as if I'm only allowed to do that if the enemy lets me play. Its super disheartening.
dude. you ABSOLUTELY hit the nail on its head at 10:51. i feel you as someone who primarily plays dva- most of the time i do so well that the enemy tank just swaps to zarya after the first teamfight, and in case my team isnt as good at their heroes as i am at mine (WITHIN THE MATCH, i dont want to say im a good dva and this isnt some humble brag bs) then i HAVE to switch too. and ive had so many games in both qp and comp where its just a game of counterswapping over and over again, exactly like musical chairs. i 110% agree with you that the point should be to play heroes you enjoy, not to win AT ANY COST. people are just too sweaty and it makes me miss overwatch 1. the game was way more niche and people actually cared about the heroes they played
9:14 "I was working twice as hard, for half the value." this right here is the doomfist experience, apart from that brief period where he was op, he was always a glass canon with a lower value compared to the skill expressed.
As a doom one trick, a buff they can implement to buff him is have his power block actually block some CC, he literally has a metal fist capable of leveling city’s, I think it should block sleep jav and hook, freeze hindered pinned are all good CCs to stop doom and atleast are understandable
This was quite an inspiring video and encouraged me to keep going in spite of the hardships Doom faces. It does suck having to worry so much about counterpicking, since it does discourage character mastery in a lot of ways. I'd propose maybe limiting counterpicking to say only once per game, and after that you're locked into your 2nd pick, but that's just me. Nowadays I just make sure to have a 2nd or 3rd character to back up for Doom (typically Winston or Sigma), should things like that occur. Keep up the awesome series SVB!
as an 100 hour doom main, I have seen it all, they key to succeeding on doomfist is cooldown management and baiting I see so many new doom mains go onto the other team with their ult and get slept and cced instead of using their cooldowns ulting and then confirming the kills on the low targets, doom is one of if not the most mech intensive hero, learning how to play him is like trying to learn to walk again, Instead of being smart I btrute forced my way to learning him, I went from b5 to plat 1 where i sit now with around a 60% wr my best tip for new doom players is always have an escape cool down and never peak more than a 1v3 bc u will get smashed, go in do doom stuff and get out with the other cooldown, other than that dont play doom, quite litterly play anyone else if u dont want a brain tumor
Appreciate the video, ball main here. I am truly interested in playing doom. The movement and the back story is what interests me the most. I agree with you that counter picking gotta stop, there is no penalty for losing the first fight then counter tank pick as they can retain 25 % ult charge. Why should one tricks get punished when we spend so much time learning our favourite hero? Ball can still put play sombra or Orisa, I do hate mei and sym for slowing ball down.
I remember something ab overwatch 2 being different from overwatch 1 by getting rid of hard counters and making the game more enjoyable for each character without feeling pressured to choose certain characters based on enemy picks. And then they went way back on that :/
I would honestly love to see you go hard on learning Reaper. His potential is definitely lower than other DPS that are more universally-strong, sure, but I've always found it _fascinating_ watching _good_ Reaper players flank, position, assassinate and escape at _high levels_ of play where running him isn't free and effortless the way it is at low Ranks where no one knows what to do about him.
reaper is not hard to master, you get in with him and when u are low u get out and repeat, and when u use his ult bait them to use their cooldowns and get them while they are not paying attention. He is really good against tanks as well
This is true, reaper might not have the highest skill floor but he is far from easy to play at the higher ranks. In my experience at masters, it’s just too easy for the enemy team to make it impossible for you to play the game, double sniper, pharmercy echo come to mind.
Stupid question, what is the combined rank? Some say quickplay rank but that doesn’t make sense since there is an open queue rank….Most say the average of the 3 roles combined, but I just played a game where a guy was d5 d3 and d1 on the roles and gm3 combined. Something is going on, dont know what. But it still leaves me with the amazing quest of finding accurate information about this misunderstood/(bugged?) stat. Came to mind when he introduced samito
The ban thing would absolutely murder him to the higher players and in general, he would be banned just about every time because of the argument that "he's annoying", and that would free the need for the rest of the match to hard counter pick because there would literally be no doomfist
*Tankfist simply doesn't do enough damage to potentially outplay his counters, which makes them ALL feel like hard counters.* It's as simply as that. Which is a shame, because he is one of the most fun heroes to play. The really sad part though is that we've been telling Blizzard this since the release of Overwatch 2. They gave him some semblance of playability in season 2 and then immediately revearted the changes. I'm worried they're about to do the same thing to Junker Queen.
Great video! I feel it showcased how tank is as a whole. I feel as whenever im popping off on tank and the enemy support just pick zen and make it a nightmare for me to even exist. Tank seems to be a lot easier to counter now than before
This is exactly why I hate the fact you can change heroes mid round. One thing paladins does better. Draft and when You pick someone and you are stuck with them (and that game actually has builds)
Whatever counters Doom also generally counters Ball. I can imagine a team that's fully composed of characters that all just stop Ball's movement and damage abilities. I like playing Ball and if people are onto me, I melt like butter. A good Ana to hit the sleep dart, a Zen to discord me, a Sombra to hack my abilities away (+ the extra debuff on top of Zen's) , a Mei to slow me even further if I try to walk or roll away, and a Brigitte to interrupt my slams or boops, and if they all work together to target me , I basically just stop existing in a second after showing up. And the on toop of that, literally ANY character can CC me, by just being ADHD. That is, sometimes I just try to roll away from a fight, not even in fireball form to hit anyone. Just normal rolling away that does no damage. To escape. And since people can't aim they come to my face, pressed against me no to miss, and to avoid any potential fire they rapidly strafe. And that strafing just body blocks me, so I can't roll away, so they unintentionally CC me without realizing it :D.
@@haghandler Oh yeah for sure. I also like to play him and when I decided to start him after coming from Ball, I felt like I was melting without any of the above mentioned debuffs :D
@@mitkoogrozev i was otp ball and moved to otp df for ow2. ball was really bad season1. Now ball is better in every way due to his HP and shields. df gets shield and has some kind of defense but its not 360 and it has a shit ton of bugs. if block was bug free maybe he was as good as ball. still most tanks are better than both of them. way less counters.
An interesting competitive gametype would be Competitive Mirror. Basically you choose the character you want to play before getting qued up and the other team is just guaranteed to have that same hero. Also no switching in the middle of the game. Let's say you pick Doomfist, the other team will then have a Doomfist as well. And the dps and healers for each team will also be the same. I think since the game already devolves into a mirror match up at the highest ranks, might as well just do this instead and people can then play what they want no fuss. One problem with this is Que times though... Another interesting gametype, maybe in the Arcade could be Role Que Mystery Mirror. Here you choose a roll, but you don't know which exact character you'll get, the other team is then guaranteed to have the same comp as yours and again no switching in the middle of the game. It's kinda weird they did this in 1v1 but never extended the idea further.
I think your whole experience with Doom is exactly why OW does NOT need a hero draft system. A core part of OW is the ability to swap to any hero (within your role) at any time. Being able to play multiple heroes and recognizing when to swap on or off of them is the mark of a good OW player. This is why I think, that while onetricks are AMAZING at their heroes, and can make them work in many situations that they probably shouldn't, are usually soft-throwing. One of the reasons why hero drafts work in other games (MOBAs) is due to the fact that you CANNOT swap heroes once you lock in. You also have to remember that while a hero draft might allow Doomfist to shine, it is a double edged sword and can also hinder him even more by removing heroes that he either excels against or with.
Slam is the most consistent way of generating shields, but only should be used to engage if you dont plan on retreating to high ground. Generally you want to enage with punch, as you can get another one after block and slam allows for more degrees of freedom with your retreat, but of course it depends on the situation
That’s explains a lot when I played doomfist, I’m a new player to overwatch and I really wanted to play doomfist cause he’s such a cool character to me, though I was still new to the mechanics of the game I learn and adapt very quickly, I was doing very good for my first time playing but later on somehow just keep loosing to a point where I just simply suck at it. I thought I was bad getting at the game and so I keep trying to improve the best as I can but I just keep loosing, sometimes even not getting kills at all. So I started to see videos of how to play as doomfist and a lot of them I was doing right which makes me that I’m just bad as doomfist, so I keep looking for more information till I come across yours and as expected I was doing things as doomfist but the moment you said that there are counters against doomfist I was shocked cause ocounters that you mentioned are what I always come across. Roadhog, Sombra, and orisa, I thought the players were only choosing them cause it’s their favorite character but no, they were simply trying to counter my doomfist. And with that I’m gonna try to learn and adapt to fight against these counters as doomfist cause I ain’t gonna give up that easily. Thank you for that information.
Playing doomfist is like asking opponents to swap to heroes that are hard to deal with for metal rank players. So not only you will have a hard time but also team around you will struggle.
I recently got back into OW last week and decided to do what youve shown here, I wanted to learn Doom, and as a tank, personally I think he is the most enjoyable to play, I actually have a ton of fun playing him but as soon as you start getting great value out of him he just gets hard countered and my fun goes out of the window. I managed to get to diamond with him but its not worth the head ache to continue with him.
i feel like a good concept i’d love to see in a video would be like teaching a silver, gold, plat player and coaching them up to be able to like solo queue to masters or something like that (i’m toasted rn ngl)
I haven't touched ranked OW ever, and I was surprised to hear my friend say there isn't a hero-banning phase or limited swapping. Seems like a natural thing to have in a hero shooter like this (Siege does it effectively for instance)
Yeah, they tried this except the devs would pick the bans and they would last one week. It was always a completely random set of characters and was never taken seriously at all. One time the devs literally let a cat pick from a hat on who would be banned that week
otp doom since his release top 200 and yeah it’s cringe when doom struggles with half the roster yet they go sombra LMAO. After countless matches I’ve learned to how to shut orisa down easily with doom but sombra will forever feel cheesy
As a Doomfist player, it's very validating how SVB eloquently explains how tough it is to play this character. There's a poetic irony between playing Doomfist and the characters ideology which is "Every battle makes us stronger." This creates a unique connection with the masochism of perfecting Doomfist unlikeany other hero in Overwatch. With that said, I'm not surprised you may jot continue to play him. I think you really have to like the character and playstyle to subject yourself to the Doomfist experience; it's not only learning the character, playstyle and getting hard countered, but also the flaming and general impatience with teammates who don't know how to synergize with Doomfist. It has really high highs, but really low lows, too.
Also pretty much if someone try’s to counter combo just play corners NOW IF ITS A HOG pray to God there’s no enemy sombra either that or hope to God Hog is bad at aiming his hooks
That's the life of a doomfist player, just pain and more pain, especially with his powerblock being broken ( doesn't block beams, jq bleed and some other things i forgot ). Will the devs buff/reverts? Lol no, fix his bugs? Took 6 years to fix slam no reg and still no regs. Devs just hate allowing doomfist to be even good, got gigabuffed and nerfed within a week.
Hardest character to get value from and probably the easiest to counter. Terrible tank pick at the moment with this role now becoming the most important.
Started with Season 1 of Overwatch 2. "I thought the point of overwatch is to play the heroes you like to play" - that's very intereseting, because as a Newbie, i was thinking that one crucial part of Overwatch is to know which Hero to play when and not play the hero you like most. Maybe that's why I'm stuck plat.
I cant express this enough. I want the option to have the hero lock system in overwatch, just like in paladins. The devs swore this wouldnt be a counter picking game, and it has very much so been just that. They dont even need to make the entire game like that, just add a mode for comp and quick play. So that we still have normal overwatch, then one where we can play the hero we feel like playing without needing to continuously swap, and try to counter the enemy team, it gets very old and unfun when you have to play that way.
I recently had a match on Doom where I was dominating in the beginning, but then the enemy dps just picked Sombra, stood still in the point, and their entire purpose of existing was to make my life miserable, they weren't flanking my supports, they weren't trying to kill my dps, they just sat on point invisible and havked me every time I engaged on anyone Needless to say, it wasn't a tiny bit fun. It's even more annoying because I know Sombra is a hero that's hard to get value out of, you need to engage in the right time and always change your tp's position, but when you're against characters like Doom or Ball, you can stand still pressing the same button over and over again to completely destroy those heroes
Your Doom experience is how I feel on Winston. One fight win and the enemy swaps to JQ/Hog or Reaper/Torb/Bastion. The tank hard counters and counter swapping is not fun.
People always want the advantage over working for the win. Most care more about winning than having fun with their hero, even if that just means afking to deny your value
Yesterday in comp I had a Doom on my team named AndDeySay who spammed the voiceline all game while playing. He was crushing it on attack up until the last point. Things fell off a bit which made the joke less funny, but we still won.
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very cool to see the experience of a new doom player.
and yep you're right about the counter picking part the higher you climb the worse it gets.
every game in t500 players will counter pick me and make my life so much harder (probably knowing i wont swap to a diff tank lol)
if you want to main doomfist it's probably recommend you have another tank hero in your pool. mine is queen and now shes busted 😂
anyways i hope you can try tracer next shes super fun and difficult and feels so rewarding when you outplay your opponents
as is the life of a df main. Ram is my go to when I get hard countered that bad
yeah i rly wish ppl just focused on playing the game more and outplaying more than counter picking
@@willmcclard206 yeah that's how I try to play. I enjoy competing as well as I can without resorting to counter picks. People are able to shift their rank up a bit by counter picking, but you're ultimately not really improving at the game. To fundamentally improve at the game you should learn how to outplay your counters.
Sounds like an amateur doom right here imo
It's the same in gold. We are all worse, but the effect of the counterpicks is identical. Naded, speared, slept, hacked, fortify, windmill, JK trap, suzu.... me trying to learn to 'cycle my cooldowns ' 💀 ☠️ 💀 ☠️
-"Um, could we swap off doom? Don't think it's working.... "
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Samito's excitement was very sweet, great not only at overwatch but also at being mans best hypeman lol
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I think one thing that was sort of lost when OW2 switched to 5v5 was there fact that if your single tank got counter picked, it becomes much harder to succeed without switching. Having two tanks allowed for more flexibility and that affects tanks a lot
The worst part about overwatch 2 is that the devs promised it wouldnt be a counter pick type game. When it is. I cannot stress how many times I've wanted to try out a new character in quick play and get absolutely stomped by counters, forcing me to default back to my mains or what me team needs. Its exhausting trying to have fun with a game like this, and the devs really dont see that.
very annoying happens to me ever other game where I would be dogging on them with ball and they pick orisa, Sombra Mei. To completely counter me at first it was tuff, but then later in the game you realize that they dont really know how to play the characters so there knowledge on them are limited
How do you expect to get better at a character if you can't play against counters?
@@williamjackson5598if you do play it sweaty qp players start being toxic piles of trash and spam report you
@@williamjackson5598 That'd be an amazing point if counters weren't HARD counters majority of the time. JunkRat for example is countered by D.Va and there is no "Learn the match up". D.Va's shield alone blocks 2/3 of Rats kit. Meaning Rat is useless if the D.Va just exists and acknowledges the Rat's existence
@@williamjackson5598if you are just barely starting to grasp the basics of a hero and the entire enemy team hard counters you it’s near impossible to learn how to fight back if half of your gameplay is in the spawn room
As a Doom OTP I appreciate the representation. I like the fact that hes bad ngl like him being hard to get value with makes it a fun challenge lol
@@restlesslystrivingtilimhop4016 You cannot say that while Genji exists
Challenging. Like genji. Not bad. his value is spelled out. High mobility tank with an amazing cc on a 4 sec cooldown. Not op put respect on his damn kit. Obviously you win games because he has some good value right?
@@restlesslystrivingtilimhop4016 hes still really fun,
@@restlesslystrivingtilimhop4016 that is an incorrect opinion.
Sounds like Copium
Don't let the Orisa / Sombra counters discourage you. As a Ball main, I can confirm they forcing your opponent to switch just means that you're playing the character very effectively!
It's easier for ball to survive orissa and sombra counter. Cause he has so much hp. But doom relies on dealing damage gaining that extra overhealth you have to be really a kind of one trick if you wanna master doom
Word. Every time I am cleaning house with Ball - there she is: Sombra.
Tank counter swaps getting in your face is a major reason why using punch to get out can sometimes be quite risky. Slam gives you some height to escape corners or when your path is being blocked off. Also no windup and instant momentum even if you get hacked.
I absolutely love this series!! You’ve proven so many people wrong and have encouraged me to expand who I play, keep up the good work! Also your voice is so soothing omg
As a fellow doom enjoyer, that last part is exactly how it feels.
I’d love to see a hero that has massive misconceptions about it being next on the series, like Moira . Her ability to extend aggression and/or maintain ‘attention aggro’ through TikTok’s signature flanks does provide support to the team in one way or another, and I’d love to see how the learning process would look like.
As what is essentially a doomfist 1 trick now at this point- That part about the prevalence of counter picks, working twice as hard for half the output, it hit hard.
Its amazing how frequently you will *literally* win 1 fight as doomfist- and the *immediately* outcome the counters. Clackityclack clackityclack clackityclack, here comes orisa, hog, sombra- And then of course heroes like Zen and Ana- Which are in the game all the time *anyways*?
Its a rough life.
I literally only go against zens and anas now it’s so stupid lmao
i've been playing doomfist since release and i am only a casual player but i would consider myself an expert in the hero, you definitely picked up on some of the most vital things quickly. when you really start to get good is when you don't even have to think about it, all you decide is targets or where to engage and the rest is just muscle memory. beautiful
Seeing Sam coaching is such a wild departure from him playing ranked. Definitely picked the right guy for the job here even if you could get like ZBRA or something, I doubt they’d have been nearly as effective at coaching.
Also the genuine excitement for seeing you succeed is so damn wholesome.
Side note: Orisa is such a poorly designed tank IMO. She has multiple counters to every other tank, can cancel and/or negate most of tank ults by accident and overall has no fun tank matchup. Doomfist almost definitely gets the worst of it but every other tank is just nothing but frustration when dealing with her and because of he overlapping abilities having a pretty short cooldown cycle, its basically impossible to outplay her unless they use all their cool downs at the same time and also don’t have ult. I don’t think she’s overpowered but I think she’s just garbage for the game and I’m afraid they’re gonna buff her to higher viability with stats alone.
They'll only buff her if another tank is deemed "too good"
Perfect explanation of how I feel about Orisa
I swear the devs just can't fucking help themselves when it comes to the horse.
One of my best tips is that when you know you are going to hit an empowered punch, aim your cursor at head level, then just walk forward and shoot without aiing nearly at all. if you punch them into a wall you will be close enough (90 percent of the time) to where just walking in with your cursor aimed generally at their head will basically 2 or 3 shot them every time. sometimes i flick to get the head after a punch and im way off.
You really hit the nail on its head. The counterpicking on not only Doom is just frustrating and it just sucks the fun out of , in a vacuum, pretty fun characters
That's the thing in overwatch, if the enemy decides "let's cancel this guy" they can do at any time and make you miserable. At higher ranks it's absolutely crazy. The game in theory is there to have fun but you can be literally denied playing.
Devs should make it so you can only switch heros once per round for each player, that way if a sombra counter picks you for playing doom you can counter pick in return with another tank.
This is why I advocate/suggest his "Best Defense" to also have a "CC Nerf System" where whenever he gets over health with one of his cooldowns he gets at least 25 to 30% resistance to things like Ana nade, sleep dart, hack, Ashe's dynamite, and so on. Coz on paper, Tankfist is fine and not bad, the problem is that the devs kept his counters back in his DPSFist era.
They're lowered but yes
I'd say Doom also needs a secondary passive where each time he hits an ability (slam or punch) he takes a second off any of his abilities that are currently on cooldown. The max would be minus two seconds and would encourage Doomfist to actually commit more to a fight instead of having a huge amount of downtime, plus he only has two abilities that do damage.
I'm glad you pointed out how it feels to be a "dive tank" main. You win one fight and the other teams instantly picks 1+ counters. The game becomes no fun when you get borderline invalidated because someone exists
The thing is for us OW old heads aka the OW1 players, it was optimal for us to be good with at least 3 heroes per role because of counterpicking. But what softened the blow--and you mentioned this before in your podcast--is keeping the ult charge(up to 25%). In OW1 if you swapped you started from scratch. In OW2, you swap and you can build ult quick esp with heroes as Ram, JQ (at the time of this comment with her mega buff), Sombra, Ana, etc which makes the counterpicking almost unbearable as a SOLO tank. Imo, counterswapping isn't an issue per say as we should be used to it, it's the fact you keep ult charge that makes it so frustrating
I wish they made the ult charge proportional. So if you had 100% of your ult and you switch, you get 25%, if you had 50% ult and switch then you save 12.5% and so on. This softens the blow of swapping without making it OP to swap after losing the first fight IMO
Great video! Getting some Power Block buff would be nice, so Doom is less susceptible to CC. Other absorb/block-type abilities get so much value with less risk, Adaptive Shields, Fortify, Kinetec Grasp, provide instant overhealth/shield, or eat projectiles. Would it make more sense if CC just broke Doomfist's active block? I don't know, I just want people to be able to play the game.
Power Block Buff you say?
HAH HELL NAW YOU GONNA GET A POWER BLOCK BUG TO MAKE YOUR ALREADY MISERABLE DOOMFIST EXPERIENCE WAYYYYYYYY MORE MISERABLE
@@jackiejackyjaqy LOL GOOD POINT
That Last Segment hit hard as a Doom Main.
Despite everything, this game's design just doesn't allow every characyer to truly thrive, especially Doomfist.
I just want to enjoy the character I found the most engaging, but it feels as if I'm only allowed to do that if the enemy lets me play. Its super disheartening.
Completely agree with your conclusion. Hero bans make more heroes viable, not less
6:00 i literally clapped haha nice. that winston thought he could just afk M1 you while you took down his whole team
dude. you ABSOLUTELY hit the nail on its head at 10:51. i feel you as someone who primarily plays dva- most of the time i do so well that the enemy tank just swaps to zarya after the first teamfight, and in case my team isnt as good at their heroes as i am at mine (WITHIN THE MATCH, i dont want to say im a good dva and this isnt some humble brag bs) then i HAVE to switch too. and ive had so many games in both qp and comp where its just a game of counterswapping over and over again, exactly like musical chairs.
i 110% agree with you that the point should be to play heroes you enjoy, not to win AT ANY COST. people are just too sweaty and it makes me miss overwatch 1. the game was way more niche and people actually cared about the heroes they played
Thanks for making this, I feel this so hard as a Doom player
9:00 - 9:18 also the Genji experience. I was basically a Genji/Doom 2 trick in OW1 so all I know is pain lol
9:14
"I was working twice as hard, for half the value."
this right here is the doomfist experience, apart from that brief period where he was op, he was always a glass canon with a lower value compared to the skill expressed.
Half the value*
;-;
@@SidewaysGts thank you for the correction!
Grats on becoming lore accurate. What was the experience like dealing with the abuse from your team? When did it get better?
I don't think it ever gets better
If they changed the way block works and have it actually block everything Doomfist would instantly be a better character.
But Aaron Keller said coutner picking is no longer a thing in overwatch 2 right? right guys?
I agree with you on the point of the hero draft. Ive been asking for that for years.
Samito was so proud of you, you did exactly what he explained, makes sense that you understood so fast since you are already a pro player
As a doom one trick, a buff they can implement to buff him is have his power block actually block some CC, he literally has a metal fist capable of leveling city’s, I think it should block sleep jav and hook, freeze hindered pinned are all good CCs to stop doom and atleast are understandable
And let him have normal walk speed on it no slowing down
This was quite an inspiring video and encouraged me to keep going in spite of the hardships Doom faces. It does suck having to worry so much about counterpicking, since it does discourage character mastery in a lot of ways. I'd propose maybe limiting counterpicking to say only once per game, and after that you're locked into your 2nd pick, but that's just me. Nowadays I just make sure to have a 2nd or 3rd character to back up for Doom (typically Winston or Sigma), should things like that occur.
Keep up the awesome series SVB!
this is probably the best overwatch 2 video I've seen, thank you!
as an 100 hour doom main, I have seen it all, they key to succeeding on doomfist is cooldown management and baiting I see so many new doom mains go onto the other team with their ult and get slept and cced instead of using their cooldowns ulting and then confirming the kills on the low targets, doom is one of if not the most mech intensive hero, learning how to play him is like trying to learn to walk again, Instead of being smart I btrute forced my way to learning him, I went from b5 to plat 1 where i sit now with around a 60% wr my best tip for new doom players is always have an escape cool down and never peak more than a 1v3 bc u will get smashed, go in do doom stuff and get out with the other cooldown, other than that dont play doom, quite litterly play anyone else if u dont want a brain tumor
Appreciate the video, ball main here. I am truly interested in playing doom. The movement and the back story is what interests me the most. I agree with you that counter picking gotta stop, there is no penalty for losing the first fight then counter tank pick as they can retain 25 % ult charge.
Why should one tricks get punished when we spend so much time learning our favourite hero?
Ball can still put play sombra or Orisa, I do hate mei and sym for slowing ball down.
that's so real man, i play genji and i guess that's even worse based on the amount of counters this heroes have 😂
Samito on a podcast - Gordon Ramsay
Samito when coaching- Gordon Ramsay comforting a child
You know the meme
Very disrespectful i was expecting zbra to be your coach since he is doomfist himself
Man 9:32 is really what it's like to play this hero
I remember something ab overwatch 2 being different from overwatch 1 by getting rid of hard counters and making the game more enjoyable for each character without feeling pressured to choose certain characters based on enemy picks.
And then they went way back on that :/
I would honestly love to see you go hard on learning Reaper. His potential is definitely lower than other DPS that are more universally-strong, sure, but I've always found it _fascinating_ watching _good_ Reaper players flank, position, assassinate and escape at _high levels_ of play where running him isn't free and effortless the way it is at low Ranks where no one knows what to do about him.
reaper is not hard to master, you get in with him and when u are low u get out and repeat, and when u use his ult bait them to use their cooldowns and get them while they are not paying attention. He is really good against tanks as well
This is true, reaper might not have the highest skill floor but he is far from easy to play at the higher ranks. In my experience at masters, it’s just too easy for the enemy team to make it impossible for you to play the game, double sniper, pharmercy echo come to mind.
Stupid question, what is the combined rank? Some say quickplay rank but that doesn’t make sense since there is an open queue rank….Most say the average of the 3 roles combined, but I just played a game where a guy was d5 d3 and d1 on the roles and gm3 combined. Something is going on, dont know what. But it still leaves me with the amazing quest of finding accurate information about this misunderstood/(bugged?) stat. Came to mind when he introduced samito
The ban thing would absolutely murder him to the higher players and in general, he would be banned just about every time because of the argument that "he's annoying", and that would free the need for the rest of the match to hard counter pick because there would literally be no doomfist
*Tankfist simply doesn't do enough damage to potentially outplay his counters, which makes them ALL feel like hard counters.* It's as simply as that.
Which is a shame, because he is one of the most fun heroes to play. The really sad part though is that we've been telling Blizzard this since the release of Overwatch 2. They gave him some semblance of playability in season 2 and then immediately revearted the changes. I'm worried they're about to do the same thing to Junker Queen.
Great video! I feel it showcased how tank is as a whole. I feel as whenever im popping off on tank and the enemy support just pick zen and make it a nightmare for me to even exist. Tank seems to be a lot easier to counter now than before
This is exactly why I hate the fact you can change heroes mid round.
One thing paladins does better. Draft and when You pick someone and you are stuck with them (and that game actually has builds)
Df is the only hero with so many counters. You can make 2 different teams of 5 heroes only with df counters. It doesn't worth playing him anymore.
Whatever counters Doom also generally counters Ball. I can imagine a team that's fully composed of characters that all just stop Ball's movement and damage abilities. I like playing Ball and if people are onto me, I melt like butter. A good Ana to hit the sleep dart, a Zen to discord me, a Sombra to hack my abilities away (+ the extra debuff on top of Zen's) , a Mei to slow me even further if I try to walk or roll away, and a Brigitte to interrupt my slams or boops, and if they all work together to target me , I basically just stop existing in a second after showing up.
And the on toop of that, literally ANY character can CC me, by just being ADHD. That is, sometimes I just try to roll away from a fight, not even in fireball form to hit anyone. Just normal rolling away that does no damage. To escape. And since people can't aim they come to my face, pressed against me no to miss, and to avoid any potential fire they rapidly strafe. And that strafing just body blocks me, so I can't roll away, so they unintentionally CC me without realizing it :D.
@@mitkoogrozev well tbf doomfist just has a harder time with all his counters just because of his non-existent healtbar(as a tank)
@@haghandler Oh yeah for sure. I also like to play him and when I decided to start him after coming from Ball, I felt like I was melting without any of the above mentioned debuffs :D
@@mitkoogrozev i was otp ball and moved to otp df for ow2. ball was really bad season1. Now ball is better in every way due to his HP and shields. df gets shield and has some kind of defense but its not 360 and it has a shit ton of bugs. if block was bug free maybe he was as good as ball. still most tanks are better than both of them. way less counters.
Yo SVB! this one week one trick series might my favorite overwatch content on youtube! Cant wait for the Ana episode! Big ups
if enemies swap to orisa sombra & ana you are doing great
An interesting competitive gametype would be Competitive Mirror. Basically you choose the character you want to play before getting qued up and the other team is just guaranteed to have that same hero. Also no switching in the middle of the game.
Let's say you pick Doomfist, the other team will then have a Doomfist as well. And the dps and healers for each team will also be the same. I think since the game already devolves into a mirror match up at the highest ranks, might as well just do this instead and people can then play what they want no fuss. One problem with this is Que times though...
Another interesting gametype, maybe in the Arcade could be Role Que Mystery Mirror. Here you choose a roll, but you don't know which exact character you'll get, the other team is then guaranteed to have the same comp as yours and again no switching in the middle of the game.
It's kinda weird they did this in 1v1 but never extended the idea further.
I love these videos, nice one SVB!
I think your whole experience with Doom is exactly why OW does NOT need a hero draft system.
A core part of OW is the ability to swap to any hero (within your role) at any time. Being able to play multiple heroes and recognizing when to swap on or off of them is the mark of a good OW player. This is why I think, that while onetricks are AMAZING at their heroes, and can make them work in many situations that they probably shouldn't, are usually soft-throwing.
One of the reasons why hero drafts work in other games (MOBAs) is due to the fact that you CANNOT swap heroes once you lock in.
You also have to remember that while a hero draft might allow Doomfist to shine, it is a double edged sword and can also hinder him even more by removing heroes that he either excels against or with.
Slam is the most consistent way of generating shields, but only should be used to engage if you dont plan on retreating to high ground. Generally you want to enage with punch, as you can get another one after block and slam allows for more degrees of freedom with your retreat, but of course it depends on the situation
I hope you keep doing this series regardless of views. Love it love it love it
That’s explains a lot when I played doomfist, I’m a new player to overwatch and I really wanted to play doomfist cause he’s such a cool character to me, though I was still new to the mechanics of the game I learn and adapt very quickly, I was doing very good for my first time playing but later on somehow just keep loosing to a point where I just simply suck at it. I thought I was bad getting at the game and so I keep trying to improve the best as I can but I just keep loosing, sometimes even not getting kills at all. So I started to see videos of how to play as doomfist and a lot of them I was doing right which makes me that I’m just bad as doomfist, so I keep looking for more information till I come across yours and as expected I was doing things as doomfist but the moment you said that there are counters against doomfist I was shocked cause ocounters that you mentioned are what I always come across. Roadhog, Sombra, and orisa, I thought the players were only choosing them cause it’s their favorite character but no, they were simply trying to counter my doomfist. And with that I’m gonna try to learn and adapt to fight against these counters as doomfist cause I ain’t gonna give up that easily. Thank you for that information.
2:49 germany losing ww2 was not on my list of things to expect when watching an overwatch video💀
Something awesome about this series is that with new heroes and reworks coming out regularly, it could potentially last for a very long time.
Wow no way you actually did Doomfist!
Dream video. Thanks. ❤
Playing doomfist is like asking opponents to swap to heroes that are hard to deal with for metal rank players. So not only you will have a hard time but also team around you will struggle.
I’ve never seen Sam so happy. Ggs dude. Love the content.
I recently got back into OW last week and decided to do what youve shown here, I wanted to learn Doom, and as a tank, personally I think he is the most enjoyable to play, I actually have a ton of fun playing him but as soon as you start getting great value out of him he just gets hard countered and my fun goes out of the window. I managed to get to diamond with him but its not worth the head ache to continue with him.
I learned so much here and I have never played overwatch before haha great video! Amazing coach
the hardest part of me learning doomfist are his counter but the more you play against counters the more you learn how to play againts those counters
1:16 The genji named SigmaBalls' laugh had me dying 😂😂😂
2:47 this is matpat levels of strategizing
i feel like a good concept i’d love to see in a video would be like teaching a silver, gold, plat player and coaching them up to be able to like solo queue to masters or something like that (i’m toasted rn ngl)
Doom sucks lmao, everything counters him
Ayo that sf6 clip, svb you out here playing sf?
I haven't touched ranked OW ever, and I was surprised to hear my friend say there isn't a hero-banning phase or limited swapping. Seems like a natural thing to have in a hero shooter like this (Siege does it effectively for instance)
Yeah, they tried this except the devs would pick the bans and they would last one week. It was always a completely random set of characters and was never taken seriously at all. One time the devs literally let a cat pick from a hat on who would be banned that week
I agree about the problem of counter picking in OW… Not sure if hero bans will solve the problem but maybe it’d help
For Orisa Fortify only cancels 1 Hard CC ability in an instance and then it breaks. And Hog; Doom can catch his hook and pull Hog to him and punch him
That rant at the end is honestly why I stopped playing. Sombra to me is by far the worst offender. She makes the game less fun by existing.
I decided to learn doom
2 days later you released your vid (the full one)
Day after that block is bugged to all hell
Welp
suffer as we have
otp doom since his release top 200 and yeah it’s cringe when doom struggles with half the roster yet they go sombra LMAO. After countless matches I’ve learned to how to shut orisa down easily with doom but sombra will forever feel cheesy
especially the only hacking the tank
(also what’s ur strat for dealing with orisa, besides just ignoring her)
Loved the video!
Please try Junkrat next❤
Im having a weird case of deja vu I swear I already saw this video.
Had to re-upload because of a technical issue!
As a Doomfist player, it's very validating how SVB eloquently explains how tough it is to play this character. There's a poetic irony between playing Doomfist and the characters ideology which is "Every battle makes us stronger." This creates a unique connection with the masochism of perfecting Doomfist unlikeany other hero in Overwatch. With that said, I'm not surprised you may jot continue to play him. I think you really have to like the character and playstyle to subject yourself to the Doomfist experience; it's not only learning the character, playstyle and getting hard countered, but also the flaming and general impatience with teammates who don't know how to synergize with Doomfist. It has really high highs, but really low lows, too.
doomfist player you have my respect as a ana/lucio
I'd kill for a doomfist coach
that's why I would love to see a pick and play game mode, just to test it.
it's weird that OW is the only game where you can swap heroes anyway...
What a fair and fun game BLIZZARD all the characters are playable and SOOOO balance. Like the hack, the discord orb, and all other cc. Very fair.
Also pretty much if someone try’s to counter combo just play corners NOW IF ITS A HOG pray to God there’s no enemy sombra either that or hope to God Hog is bad at aiming his hooks
That's the life of a doomfist player, just pain and more pain, especially with his powerblock being broken ( doesn't block beams, jq bleed and some other things i forgot ).
Will the devs buff/reverts? Lol no, fix his bugs? Took 6 years to fix slam no reg and still no regs. Devs just hate allowing doomfist to be even good, got gigabuffed and nerfed within a week.
I love this series. SVB should play hanzo or ashe next
twice as hard for half the value is soo true on doom, it was even worse in ow1 when there was so many stuns
ThatbSLEEP+SHATTER solo kill on you was some next level disrespect I'm so sorry
Hardest character to get value from and probably the easiest to counter. Terrible tank pick at the moment with this role now becoming the most important.
I switched to tank and started playing doom. I literally fell in love with game again. I don't get why he gets so much hate hes super fun to play.
Started with Season 1 of Overwatch 2. "I thought the point of overwatch is to play the heroes you like to play" - that's very intereseting, because as a Newbie, i was thinking that one crucial part of Overwatch is to know which Hero to play when and not play the hero you like most. Maybe that's why I'm stuck plat.
Doomfist is my fav hero in OW2
Yeup me as a gold doomfist I still get counter picked all the time 😂
I cant express this enough. I want the option to have the hero lock system in overwatch, just like in paladins. The devs swore this wouldnt be a counter picking game, and it has very much so been just that. They dont even need to make the entire game like that, just add a mode for comp and quick play. So that we still have normal overwatch, then one where we can play the hero we feel like playing without needing to continuously swap, and try to counter the enemy team, it gets very old and unfun when you have to play that way.
I recently had a match on Doom where I was dominating in the beginning, but then the enemy dps just picked Sombra, stood still in the point, and their entire purpose of existing was to make my life miserable, they weren't flanking my supports, they weren't trying to kill my dps, they just sat on point invisible and havked me every time I engaged on anyone
Needless to say, it wasn't a tiny bit fun.
It's even more annoying because I know Sombra is a hero that's hard to get value out of, you need to engage in the right time and always change your tp's position, but when you're against characters like Doom or Ball, you can stand still pressing the same button over and over again to completely destroy those heroes
Your Doom experience is how I feel on Winston. One fight win and the enemy swaps to JQ/Hog or Reaper/Torb/Bastion.
The tank hard counters and counter swapping is not fun.
People always want the advantage over working for the win. Most care more about winning than having fun with their hero, even if that just means afking to deny your value
YES I WAS WAITING FOR THIS
Yesterday in comp I had a Doom on my team named AndDeySay who spammed the voiceline all game while playing. He was crushing it on attack up until the last point. Things fell off a bit which made the joke less funny, but we still won.