The best thing about this video is that Dave can make this video as if injecting test is normal now, which it is. The days of it being a dirty secret are long gone.
Whee did you grow up? In theater 80's early 90's people where shooting up in the locker room after and before their workouts. They don't do that now. You guys are noobs or very young.
Dave was a motherfucking beast back in the day! I always thought he dieted & cut/lost too much muscle when he showed up on contest day, but who am I to judge. His training pics and videos (during contest prep & offseason) are just downright incredible; he was a true mass monster, with very good symmetry. I know and understand the whole debate regarding insulin, HGH, bubble gut, etc., but it’s a sport of extremes (so, to each his own). Anyway, good to see he’s still alive and giving back to the bodybuilding community. Great podcast, Dave!
Well said...Dave guest posed at the npc New England's back in '04..I needed "assistance" backstage before going on to compete in the heavyweights..had a little issue with a "supplement" to help my carb load pump..Dave was great very helpful and I went on to win the show..he was around 280 insane physique and all around great guy. Most pros are pricks to kids tryna compete not Dave.
He does seem like good guy wish i got to know him, im not bb but i wouldve been lol. What i take not be like you guys meaning i dont want get big just my arms and a 6 pack i almoust there natty except sring bean arms lol im 43 been downbthis road million times i peak out i can get srtonger little bigger but i lose shape where i learned work out alot smarter not as much get more gains i figured i go to dr get on test regimen is that enough get physique trying obtain i figured figure out you guys do and do a fraction ofvthe amount or this point stay natty just be bb fan but i do beileve used right can help live longer younger srtonger ofcourse heat is from guys like rich but thsts our choice and hey i couldve went downbthat road married hot rich babe with money maybe not morally correct but i have more successful life so point our choice and laws made for idiots mass numbers ppl make mistakes doingvwrong things wrongvtimes for wrong reasons ik im rambling its same factor with guns .........
b bremner when u are bbigger u need more to be bbigger... 1st year 500mgs 2nd yyear 1gram next year 1.2 gram another yyeear 1.3 gram when u train 20 yeears u need 4 grams... Body gets adopted on 1 gram. lee priest was takiiing max 1.5 grams because he was in love in food... not by hormone.
Dave is now a legend in his own right, he has a right to call himself a legend, in a sport with very few legends it is refreshing to see new legends and maybe we have a legend of legends in Dave a true legend.
Dude I hope you are joking, taking superdrol is always a bad idea, ESPECIALLY on you first cycle, take only the 400mg of test witch tbh is still a lot for a first cycle, and if you still want to use more sutff take anavar 20mg/day, bc it is 300% to 600% more anabolic then test and it wont fuck you up like superdrol
For me, cypionate, every day subQ (the Crisler method) works best. I use a 25ga 5/8 pin (some use as small as a 30ga) is virtually painless, and the tiny dose (25 mg for year round TRT, (I’m 50) loads easy/fast enough into the syringe. For people who think 25ga is still a large needle, I come from the 80s era when we all used 18ga 1.5” railroad spikes! 🤦♂️
@@OldManStrength4094 Think I'm going to give .4 cc.twice a week a try, a lot of people have told me it's a lot more convenient. Have watched Crisler's videos and the info seems good.
why use a 25ga syringe when a 29 works just fine? I push the syringe in a bit to get it deeper in to me so that I am sure I am in the muscle and inject. Basically zero scar tissue. I inject EOD 30mg test, 50mg NPP. No side effects.
I really like Test E injecting twice a week (Monday and Thursday). Keeps hormone levels stable and I’m one of those weird fuckers that likes injecting😂
I use test e and was injecting Monday and Thursday evening and my test level was 550. I used the same dosage but changed to injections to Monday Wednesday and Friday and my test levels went to 1,100 and only thing I change was injections frequency. Dosage is 150 mg a week of test e
@@noostrings 1/2 “ needles on a insulin syringe and Monday I do 25 units and Wednesday I do 25 units and Friday I do 25 units. My test is test e and c… test e is 200mg/ ml and test c is 20 mg/ml and they are mixed at the pharmacy in the same bottle. I went from injection Monday morning and Thursday evening I was doing it subcontainioulsy just under the skin in the fat and I change to 1/2” needle and start injections Monday Wednesday Friday into the shoulder muscle and my test levels went from 500ish to 1,100 just by changing injections frequency and injection into the muscle and no under the skin anymore. Hope this helps
Dave is very informative on the topic. As a pharmacist, I would add that what you want to achieve with hormonal therapy is a steady state concentration of testosterone, where the levels stay within a range that gives you the best results, without dropping too low. The best way to achieve this is the same way insulin is dosed today, where you have a long acting form injected on a weekly or bi-weekly basis and then a faster acting form injected two to three times a week. One thing to look at with drugs injected into the muscles is the elimination half-life, the time it takes for the body to eliminate 50% of the drug. Testosterone cypionate has an elimination half life around 8 days, whereas testosterone propionate is 0.8 days (around 19 hours). You can always confirm how effective your dosing is by getting a blood testosterone level that you can get through the internet without going to the doctor.
@@akuma4u the peak of most injectables are 24-48 hours. Half life doesn't really effect this unless it's under 2 days. So ejecting everyother day allows the test to stay peaked, which means your hormones should stay somewhat level, lessening negative effects like acne ect.
@@SkilledFloorGuy cyp is a long ester, pinning EOD isn't necessary. If you're injecting say Monday and Thursday, if you're experiencing side effects of being deficient is your testosterone level, it just doesn't add up. The half life is simply too long. UGL? It sounds either underdosed or its a shorter ester.
Many of the top Test Experts advocate not to take Ai’s. The key is timing and dose amount. They say to keep the dose at the lowest amount possible but still keeping the free Test in the upper levels and you in most cases won’t need any other drugs.
I keep hearing that taking test once a week creates peaks and valleys, but after 15 years of HRT, I have never found that to be the case. I've also had blood tests on the last day before injection and T levels are still elevated.
@@vinay5231 Started with Apollo Hospital, then from nurse & then family member learnt to administer etc. I was initially given 50 mg test enanthate but there was no effect (first time start off may take then a month or more to show real benefits) after couple of weeks they bumped itcup to 100mg, that started working partly from 3rd week & by the 5th week i was doing well. After a year or two i tried testosterone undecanoate (oral) however the dose had to high & it was too costly. Then i switched to gel on & off as its considered safer but after a few years the effect on libido seemed inconsistent - so i have switched back & alternate between sustanon & enanthate.
I just started getting TRT treatments from my doctor,he's giving me cipionate, and when the nurse came in I asked which ester I was getting and she gave me the WTH look,got a good laugh outa it,she couldn't believe I was asking that
I'm 43, as I read this. I was taking 2ml's a week and felt great! I got greedy and jumped to Sustanon and feel like rubbish. Clearly short esters are not for me at this age.
When I first tried using gear the main ones available around here were EQ and Winstrol V. Both were veterinary and from the vet at the horse race track. I never heard about using testosterone as a base for a cycle. The first test I recall being around was test suspension surprisingly enough. I also recall the next few items around were Anatest, and those Russian D-Bol with the elastic and insert in whatever language they were printed in. Those D-Bol did seem effective.The EQ and Winstrol not so much, and the price was crazy high. They were real but as a new user it was probably my fault. Clenbuterol pumps(veterinary) were quite an experience. Funny, the price of those vet pumps is still the same today as the 90's. Competition I'm guessing.
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@@afridyabir just the amount of half life or how long it takes the easter to break down in your body. Talking a day or two depending on the stregnth of the gear. You'll be fine with either tho.
Not all forms may be available in your county. In Holland were I live they only have Sustanon and Nebido. The protocol may be different to. In Amerika they give 250mg of Sustanon a week and in Holland 250mg every three weeks. In Europe it’s almost impossible to get the right dosages.
Have I tried every ester of test under the sun? Nope! What I do know is this. For me, it's all wonderful as far as prop, E, Cyp, and sus 250. Don't like jabbing every other day so prop isn't my jam. E and cyp are great, and usually my go to. But I have to personally say that my levels remain the best and I feel the best on 2 shots of sust 250 a week. Most guys think there are different kinds of test. No, there are different esters. Test is great, the right ester for one's needs is even better. It's the best of all worlds in my personal opinion and I think it would be the most popular if more guys tried it.
@@stx956 I run 200 mg of EQ with it so estrogen isn't a problem. However at 250mg a week, it usually wouldn't be anyway. How do I dose it? .5 twice a week.
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I heard this works well: #1 drawing the total weekly injection ml amount into a large enough syringe. #2 mix thoroughly. #3 Backload 7 insulin injections into equal amounts. #4 Inject one (of the 7) every day subcutaneously. This results in less pain and even hormone levels throughout the days, weeks and months. I heard TRT doctors are recommending this ;-)
I took propionate for the first time and it rounded my muscles and got me tight and acne was going away. Prop every other day was getting me cut with no diet.
i’m super happy to hear from Dave that many people doesn’t tollerate propionate too weel. i think i’m one of that person cause the days after injection my muscle hurt so bad😬😬 I’m gonna try with the enanthate hoping for this to get better! 😜
I did TRT for 1.5 half years to treat hypogonadism and the doctor only prescribed me Nebido and did not want to give me anything else, EVEN though my body was not responding well at all. After 1-2 weeks of taking a shot, my test levels were dropping to almost 0 and I was taking a shot every 90 days.
If you take a good look at Sustanon, the ester balance is backwards. Its front loaded with propionate and has less decanoate. I think its actually the worst ester. Sure you can cover it with ever other day, but you are better off with test E. I think they possibly blended it for fast results for marketing reasons.
I inject daily by SUBQ with a .5ml insulin syringe. I have never felt better so it might seem like a pain to some to inject daily but it has been working for me. My labs show low estradiol too. When I injected bi weekly or weekly I had high E.
Dave is the man 👍 I took test back in the 90’s, then when I turned 55 my pcp suggested HRT but pushed Androgell ($500 for 30 day supply). It didn’t give me energy or help build muscle, but like Dave talks about, increased my red blood cells and risked stroke or heart attack) so paid $160 2x month to draw 1 pt of blood. Went to a urologist who Rx 1/2cc of cyp to get my test from 250ng up to 800ng ( normal being 300 - 1100 ng) insurance covers $10 mo w/co pay, better safe then sorry
Test Enanthate is my Jam. Maybe it’s just in my head but Cyp makes me hold a lot of water. Prop hurts like a mfer at the injection site. Again, it could all be in my mind. Who knows. I just feel better on Enanthate than any of the others. Never tried any other anabolics. I’ve been afraid to branch out past testosterone. I don’t compete as a body builder or anything like that. I just enjoy the way testosterone makes me feel. The endurance, the strength, the energy, the gains, and the all around feeling of wellness when I am on it. I work at a physically demanding job and we are constantly running and climbing around our facility. I love the way I can keep going while I watch my co-workers physically fade through out the day. Their frail natural bodies just can’t keep up with the nectar of the gods pumping through my veins. 😄
This completely answers my question. I was wondering the same. If you're spreading pins out to once a week you are essentially turning cyp or e into a long drawn out test prop in regards to level consistency. Thanks!
ASMR Pizza if I do enanthate I pin it Monday and Thursday. Atm I’m on propionate so im pinning Monday Wednesday and Friday. Test e is the best value, prop is good but gotta pin it more and much more expensive
Within a day on Test Prop I kid you not I felt INVINCIBLE in social, public settings. Anxiety disappears.... Test Prop is AMAZING. Recently turned to dark side. Test Prop hits super fast, within hours sex drive is felt...... Only down side was the painful pip pain which disappears once you keep pinning in same place (left glute is a great place) Changes your life👀👀 I used to see them posts on how Test made them feel, didn't think much of it. Now I get it....
Q&A Why should we take less Propionate than longer esters a week? 1000mg is 1000mg weekly. But propionate must be taken in lower amount. Shout out from Poland!
always cracks me up when u talk about for instant finasteride then compare it to your species supplements lol you could take test cyp test enanthate OR my product testolyze 🤣🤣👍🏻
Dave, when you keep saying "distribution/level period/etc", the word you're looking for is pharmacokinetics. That is defined as the onset/peak/duration of a drug.
Well what did u expect? He isn't a pharmacist or a health care practitioner ALSO he's speaking to the internet ffs where there is a much greater number of laymen than there is learned men to say the least.
@@amodernalchemist432 these guys always need to come with something they took from a textbook or recycled from a different video to try and seem smart lol I bet he does not have near the same knowledge on this topic at the end of the day.
Granted the doctor I see now at the TRT clinic locally is great and on top of bloodwork, etc. even things like thyroid etc.. however, when I have great health insurance and with a RX could spend 1/12 the $$. T is a requirement for my health and well-being. Always felt that it was low but never would have guessed that it was so low in both total and free. Hope to find a doc soon. Patches don’t do squat. Cream also no thanks, my wife doesn’t want near me if she knows i have rx around.. 😮
Dave, you are a legend and your straight talk is priceless. I just wanted to respectfully disagree with you about Sustanon. There is the sustanon 250/ml and some companies are doing 350/ml. I'm not a body builder and never was, I'm merely a 52 year old that started TRT treatment about 3 years ago. If you are doing TRT, a shot every 10 or 15 days is sufficient to just feel normal. If you are a body builder then get yourself the sustanon 350 and hit it every 5 days along with whatever steroid your followers use. But, I have to indirectly agree with a statement you made, allergies. Sustanon has 4 different tests in it, and if you are allergic to any of them, you will get a bump that may not resolve for several days. Anyway Mr. I'm happy that you exist in this wild wild west of misinformation. You are a credit to the body building industry and I pray that your health stays tops so we can enjoy your videos for decades to come.
I'm 43, and like you I procured test for trt. I'm also a contractor and found myself struggling in the morning after a day or building, roofing, etc. I purchased some cyp and within a few weeks felt like my old self. I kept injecting 250mgs twice a week and after 20 injections I ran out and decided to try a sustanon. Before the sustanon I felt great. Once I started the sustanon I felt a decline in overall well-being. I can only assume my body reacts better to long acting esters at my age. In my 20's I had some access to dianobol, equpoise, winstrol and enanthate. Equpoise and Dbol being the most effective at the time. Over the last handful of weeks I've decided to stick with th cyp and possibly toss in what is left of the sus until it's gone. I see myself staying on weekly injections of cyp or enanthate well into my 50's. Anyway, just wanted to bounce that off someone taking test for similar reasons I am. I'm open to any suggestions, thoughts, etc
You can't form a valid option on testosterone until you have had it from several different sources. Iv had Suss 250 that was amazing and I have had some that sucked. But as far as side effects go. Iv found Suss250 to be better than test e and test c.
George Touliatos MD why would you have patients try and inject so frequently? Or do you try and bring all your patients into your office every other day?
For me Test prop 100mg eod did aromatase less than test e 250mg twice a week . When I added arimidex while on test e I couldn’t train heavy because of the dry joints and got injured on my elbow. I chose to stick on test prop even with the PIP
Testosterone enanthate is king, Cypionte is just the same type of ester,very chemically related. I'm on 500mgs of test enanthate and 250-400mgs of EQ. (boldenone) weekly three times a week,Test E Mon and Fri,Boldenone/EQ on Wednesday. Propionate is very cheap but affective,but has extreme PIP. Sustanon 250 has propionate in it 30mgs per ml. Test is king. All other compounds are optional.
Proprianate is Every 2 days..Man I Lost a Lot Fat and Not so Much Muscle...But i was With Good Definition.........After 1 Month that i Stopped, i started to have Heart problems...for 3 MONTHS.....Be Carrefull...
You need to educate him on what's good for the patient, not what the number say. How you feel should be his primary goal. Of course, that's provided its not causing any harm, and the rest of your blood work doesn't show any elevated values.
Don't forget throw in some Dianabol with that test, then anadrol with the test, then deca n test, the primobolin and T then tren E and test! YEAH BUDDY anavar and test every once in awhile for cut. Oh and take TUDCA, milk thistle at proper high dosage as well as lecithin. Take care of that liver. Take omega 3s for your heart and to keep cholesterol down as well as good MCT oils
Do more learning, research and read all of the information is available just make sure they are legit sources and not fucking bloggers that don't know anything.
I used Test Enanthate and got huge gains. 1 ml every 3 days in the ass cheek and I bought two 10 ml bottles...it doesn't hurt but it's in an oil suspension and noticed a lump at the injection site..especially when sitting down lasting about 5 days. So it's a good idea to rotate injection areas from ass to thigh and left/right side of the body.
@@kaneandruss3577 my apologies for taking so long to answer. I didn't even know someone had replied. But, to answer your question, I don't believe I have heard of eod. I would have to look it up and see the pros and cons before I could say I would take it. I'm extremely cautious as to what I take. I always do my homework on drugs whether they r pharmaceuticals or recreationals.
@@nrjfilms216 same to u. We all die someday and some die earlier than others. I personally don't want to live until I'm 90 anyhow. End up in an old folks home, eating baby food and having to wear a diaper. I would rather earlier than later, but that's just me. Others will have different opinions...
@@amodernalchemist432 my testosterone levels is below 230 ng/dl I suffering lot's of problems I feel tired every day, feeling giveup , depression, low sex drive, muscle loss I know there are only one option to treat( TRT) but i have fear about side effects 😥😥
This was a long time ago, but I think there is an error in this discussion. Yes, these testosterone drugs have different half lives, but the only one that's important is the first one. It's the first one that tells you how long the drug stays in the therapeutic range. After that, the drug is no longer at an effective concentration, and is eventually flushed out of the body over the remaining half lives. But you don't need to take a dose IN THE MIDDLE of a half life. The initial dose is effective for the WHOLE half life, not just a part of it. It's only when the concentration goes under the therapeutic range that a new dose is needed. To take a dose in the middle of a half life basically means you are wasting a dose, or at least half a dose of the drug.
What do you think about esters like cyp not sitting well with people dosing too frequently. I don’t know what my deal is but I always preferred less frequency over everyday or every other day. Felt wayyy better on every 5 day for example instead of EOD.
The best Testosterone to do is Sustanon 2x/wk by far. You get the best of both worlds. Fast acting and long. I’ve done them all and Sustanon is King! Never felt better. Also Cypionate’s 1/2 life is actually a day longer than Enanthate, although I prefer Enanthate better.
Id just like to say (Ive been on replacement for years) that enanthate/cypionate have about 8 to 10 day half life and it takes about 48 hours to absorb a 1ml shot, that being said I cant see any reason to go more that twice a week. thats what Ive found, Ive tried every second day and could find no difference. so like monday morning and thursday evening, theres really not enough time between shots for any signifigant reduction in serum levels.
The best thing about this video is that Dave can make this video as if injecting test is normal now, which it is. The days of it being a dirty secret are long gone.
Whee did you grow up? In theater 80's early 90's people where shooting up in the locker room after and before their workouts. They don't do that now. You guys are noobs or very young.
@@fittech3175 You are so right. Very common to go in the bathroom/ locker room and someone ask if you could stab them.
Dummy he means secret among the bodybuilding community
mark jones like g4p?
Lol I'm literally running Enth and Cyp
Dave was a motherfucking beast back in the day! I always thought he dieted & cut/lost too much muscle when he showed up on contest day, but who am I to judge. His training pics and videos (during contest prep & offseason) are just downright incredible; he was a true mass monster, with very good symmetry. I know and understand the whole debate regarding insulin, HGH, bubble gut, etc., but it’s a sport of extremes (so, to each his own). Anyway, good to see he’s still alive and giving back to the bodybuilding community. Great podcast, Dave!
Well said...Dave guest posed at the npc New England's back in '04..I needed "assistance" backstage before going on to compete in the heavyweights..had a little issue with a "supplement" to help my carb load pump..Dave was great very helpful and I went on to win the show..he was around 280 insane physique and all around great guy. Most pros are pricks to kids tryna compete not Dave.
He does seem like good guy wish i got to know him, im not bb but i wouldve been lol. What i take not be like you guys meaning i dont want get big just my arms and a 6 pack i almoust there natty except sring bean arms lol im 43 been downbthis road million times i peak out i can get srtonger little bigger but i lose shape where i learned work out alot smarter not as much get more gains i figured i go to dr get on test regimen is that enough get physique trying obtain i figured figure out you guys do and do a fraction ofvthe amount or this point stay natty just be bb fan but i do beileve used right can help live longer younger srtonger ofcourse heat is from guys like rich but thsts our choice and hey i couldve went downbthat road married hot rich babe with money maybe not morally correct but i have more successful life so point our choice and laws made for idiots mass numbers ppl make mistakes doingvwrong things wrongvtimes for wrong reasons ik im rambling its same factor with guns .........
Great comment
Yep he used to order a shit ton of gear off www.us-domesticsupply.ws
Got it. 1 gram of suspension, prop, enanth, cyp, and undecanoate each EOD. Thanks Dave! 😂
LOL 5grams of test. do people actually do that. I thought i was crazy for doing 800-900mg a week lol
Pfft, it's 5 grams every other day (eod)...not gon' be smol no mo'! 😂
Lol
Thanks dave 4 grams eod test prop. And a gram of tren #bytesticals
b bremner when u are bbigger u need more to be bbigger... 1st year 500mgs 2nd yyear 1gram next year 1.2 gram another yyeear 1.3 gram when u train 20 yeears u need 4 grams... Body gets adopted on 1 gram. lee priest was takiiing max 1.5 grams because he was in love in food... not by hormone.
Love that body builder mindset. I was a little crazy for a few days so I took more to fix it. Lmao
Dave is now a legend in his own right, he has a right to call himself a legend, in a sport with very few legends it is refreshing to see new legends and maybe we have a legend of legends in Dave a true legend.
Drink everytime Edith says legend.
All the esters are right for me
Just make sure she's legal, bro.
Eddie Yochim
Just tried it wow 😮
@Eddie Yochim don't know where to get it.
@MMASecond no.
@Eddie Yochim yeah in the calves Morning and evening😂😂😂😱
Happy Ester everyone 🐥
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I love how you implement your supplement line in the topic
I'm gonna start a superdrol cycle with test 400 mg per week for 8 week this is my first cycle I can't wait to see the results
Dude I hope you are joking, taking superdrol is always a bad idea, ESPECIALLY on you first cycle, take only the 400mg of test witch tbh is still a lot for a first cycle, and if you still want to use more sutff take anavar 20mg/day, bc it is 300% to 600% more anabolic then test and it wont fuck you up like superdrol
50LB gain but 30 are water
@@tylerdurden1923 Superdrol is very dry. Strong stuff. Dangerous if you're an idiot, useful if you're smart and don't blast the shit.
For me, cypionate, every day subQ (the Crisler method) works best. I use a 25ga 5/8 pin (some use as small as a 30ga) is virtually painless, and the tiny dose (25 mg for year round TRT, (I’m 50) loads easy/fast enough into the syringe.
For people who think 25ga is still a large needle, I come from the 80s era when we all used 18ga 1.5” railroad spikes! 🤦♂️
Have you used a bigger dose subq? Like .5 cc ? I'm wondering how much is possible subq in terms of volume
Peter Woodward I’ve read that .5 is probably the most volume you’d want to do in one subQ injection.
@@OldManStrength4094 Think I'm going to give .4 cc.twice a week a try, a lot of people have told me it's a lot more convenient. Have watched Crisler's videos and the info seems good.
Peter Woodward I believe I benefit way more from the frequent (daily) injections than I do the method of injection (subQ vs IM).
why use a 25ga syringe when a 29 works just fine? I push the syringe in a bit to get it deeper in to me so that I am sure I am in the muscle and inject. Basically zero scar tissue. I inject EOD 30mg test, 50mg NPP. No side effects.
I really like Test E injecting twice a week (Monday and Thursday). Keeps hormone levels stable and I’m one of those weird fuckers that likes injecting😂
What dosage? Can I do it every monday or every 5 days?
@@brasinovic yeah I do it every 5 days with test E. get your bloods done to check but it should be fine and stable 👍
I use test e and was injecting Monday and Thursday evening and my test level was 550. I used the same dosage but changed to injections to Monday Wednesday and Friday and my test levels went to 1,100 and only thing I change was injections frequency. Dosage is 150 mg a week of test e
@@thomasthompson5702 So you use to do 75mg Monday and Thursday night but now do 50mg Mon, Wed, Friday? Is this correct?
@@noostrings 1/2 “ needles on a insulin syringe and Monday I do 25 units and Wednesday I do 25 units and Friday I do 25 units. My test is test e and c… test e is 200mg/ ml and test c is 20 mg/ml and they are mixed at the pharmacy in the same bottle. I went from injection Monday morning and Thursday evening I was doing it subcontainioulsy just under the skin in the fat and I change to 1/2” needle and start injections Monday Wednesday Friday into the shoulder muscle and my test levels went from 500ish to 1,100 just by changing injections frequency and injection into the muscle and no under the skin anymore. Hope this helps
Dave is very informative on the topic. As a pharmacist, I would add that what you want to achieve with hormonal therapy is a steady state concentration of testosterone, where the levels stay within a range that gives you the best results, without dropping too low. The best way to achieve this is the same way insulin is dosed today, where you have a long acting form injected on a weekly or bi-weekly basis and then a faster acting form injected two to three times a week. One thing to look at with drugs injected into the muscles is the elimination half-life, the time it takes for the body to eliminate 50% of the drug. Testosterone cypionate has an elimination half life around 8 days, whereas testosterone propionate is 0.8 days (around 19 hours). You can always confirm how effective your dosing is by getting a blood testosterone level that you can get through the internet without going to the doctor.
Test p half life is 4.5 day same as test e
If test cyp half life is 8 days then the level stays stable for 8 days until it drops down, so why dose every other day?
@@akuma4u the peak of most injectables are 24-48 hours. Half life doesn't really effect this unless it's under 2 days. So ejecting everyother day allows the test to stay peaked, which means your hormones should stay somewhat level, lessening negative effects like acne ect.
I’ve been taking cypionate twice a week , this explains the peaks and valleys I’m experiencing. Thx Dave I needed this information.
Twice a week is what you want for cypionate, if you're having peaks and valleys there's something else going on.
@@michaelolin2219 could you elaborate on that for me?
@@SkilledFloorGuy cyp is a long ester, pinning EOD isn't necessary. If you're injecting say Monday and Thursday, if you're experiencing side effects of being deficient is your testosterone level, it just doesn't add up. The half life is simply too long. UGL? It sounds either underdosed or its a shorter ester.
@@SkilledFloorGuy your a power bottom
@@schmoeschlomo6972 nah bitch I’m pure power
I run ethanate every 4 days, works like a charm. Test suspension is also most likely to get infected because water injected is worse in the muscle.
Enanthate maybe?
Does a longer lasting ester, prevent hair loss more
Many of the top Test Experts advocate not to take Ai’s. The key is timing and dose amount. They say to keep the dose at the lowest amount possible but still keeping the free Test in the upper levels and you in most cases won’t need any other drugs.
I keep hearing that taking test once a week creates peaks and valleys, but after 15 years of HRT, I have never found that to be the case. I've also had blood tests on the last day before injection and T levels are still elevated.
Hope that's how it works out for me when I start.
@@Mike-lx8ll But that's not so. Using 100 mgs , on day two your level might be 800 ngs and on day 6 it might be 500 ngs. That's not a big deal.
Nelson i'm on hrt for 15 years & always experience peaks & valleys. The way ones body processes the drug differs.
@@sumitd500 where are u taking trt from?
@@vinay5231 Started with Apollo Hospital, then from nurse & then family member learnt to administer etc. I was initially given 50 mg test enanthate but there was no effect (first time start off may take then a month or more to show real benefits) after couple of weeks they bumped itcup to 100mg, that started working partly from 3rd week & by the 5th week i was doing well. After a year or two i tried testosterone undecanoate (oral) however the dose had to high & it was too costly. Then i switched to gel on & off as its considered safer but after a few years the effect on libido seemed inconsistent - so i have switched back & alternate between sustanon & enanthate.
I just started getting TRT treatments from my doctor,he's giving me cipionate, and when the nurse came in I asked which ester I was getting and she gave me the WTH look,got a good laugh outa it,she couldn't believe I was asking that
Lmao...thats like asking for a brand of tires at a tire shop...not very uncommon. Why would she be surprised?
I'm 43 and I take 1ml of TC a week. I feel great. It seems to only get better the longer I do it.
Mad mechanic me too buddy !! Doing it exactly like you
Are you taking it medically supervised?
I'm 43, as I read this. I was taking 2ml's a week and felt great! I got greedy and jumped to Sustanon and feel like rubbish. Clearly short esters are not for me at this age.
Sus and omna's were the best!!! And mixed with growth, I was a beast!
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Dave always brings the real truth! Thanks Dave!
When I first tried using gear the main ones available around here were EQ and Winstrol V. Both were veterinary and from the vet at the horse race track. I never heard about using testosterone as a base for a cycle. The first test I recall being around was test suspension surprisingly enough. I also recall the next few items around were Anatest, and those Russian D-Bol with the elastic and insert in whatever language they were printed in. Those D-Bol did seem effective.The EQ and Winstrol not so much, and the price was crazy high. They were real but as a new user it was probably my fault. Clenbuterol pumps(veterinary) were quite an experience. Funny, the price of those vet pumps is still the same today as the 90's. Competition I'm guessing.
Sounds like a lot of fun to me
Dave is a legend iv tried every thing to get rid of acne on my back and would never of thought of this 👍
I love prop, but ive gotta mix it with cyp. I'll take like a 1/3 ratio prop and 2/3 cyp, and i still get major PIP. I'm sore right now.
Monday/Thursday is a pretty solid schedule for me, personally.
Anyone else still trying to decide if he has hair or not?
Jajajajauaja holy shit !
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Does it make a difference?
i thought he was bald at first lol
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spot on, been reading this stuff for a month and nothing made sense. and in 1 video boom.
thank you
-Bryan
Do you realize I’ve had diarrhea since last Esters?!
darshia33 love you for this
Nice!
@@aceinspacepng3001 it’s from the movie Nacho Libre
How come we can't ever have just like a salad?
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Dave is definitely bodybuilding's best man.
Take whatever dosing protocol that gives you the most stable levels. Side effects come from having high peaks and low troughs.
So it depends on person to person ? and which one would you recommend test c or e ?
So basically theres no difference between C and E. Saved you 11 minutes
Big difference between c and e.
@@Spencerlayne what is the deference Between testosterone cypionate and testosterone enanthate?
@@afridyabir just the amount of half life or how long it takes the easter to break down in your body. Talking a day or two depending on the stregnth of the gear. You'll be fine with either tho.
@@afridyabir technically speaking C has a higher molecular weight because it has 1 extra carbon atom than E IIRC.
Meaning? I’m just trying to see what i need
Not all forms may be available in your county.
In Holland were I live they only have Sustanon and Nebido.
The protocol may be different to.
In Amerika they give 250mg of Sustanon a week and in Holland 250mg every three weeks.
In Europe it’s almost impossible to get the right dosages.
Basically maintain a “high peak level” lol
Summary just blast test on the daily and mix it up if you feel like it. 👊🏼
Have I tried every ester of test under the sun? Nope! What I do know is this. For me, it's all wonderful as far as prop, E, Cyp, and sus 250. Don't like jabbing every other day so prop isn't my jam. E and cyp are great, and usually my go to. But I have to personally say that my levels remain the best and I feel the best on 2 shots of sust 250 a week. Most guys think there are different kinds of test. No, there are different esters. Test is great, the right ester for one's needs is even better. It's the best of all worlds in my personal opinion and I think it would be the most popular if more guys tried it.
How do you dose the Sus250 per week? And what do you use and how do you dose to Avoid aromatízation for side effects? (Acne/Hairloss)
@@stx956 I run 200 mg of EQ with it so estrogen isn't a problem. However at 250mg a week, it usually wouldn't be anyway. How do I dose it? .5 twice a week.
David just wanted to thank you for advertising Titan hrt Clinic there full panel blood test was $200 cheaper than another clinic here in Denver Colorado. I just had my blood work done today waiting for the results again thank you so much for the information I love your Channel ,Jonny roxy 😄
I live near denver and can help with your trt and bloodwork
@@stevecook6136 in Denver too. How do I contact You?
I heard this works well: #1 drawing the total weekly injection ml amount into a large enough syringe. #2 mix thoroughly. #3 Backload 7 insulin injections into equal amounts. #4 Inject one (of the 7) every day subcutaneously. This results in less pain and even hormone levels throughout the days, weeks and months. I heard TRT doctors are recommending this ;-)
@Vince1260 not that I've heard or experienced. I'm not a doctor. Oh, Test Suspension did not go through the needle. It's too thick.
If you use short esters over long you will always be leaving gains on the table
Just started taking test cyp this past week,first cycle
how you getting on with it?
@@ianbuchanan3839 a lot of water weight...but i have gotten bigger traps,shoulders,and chest....this is my last week im at 350mg a week
Oh God, look at the channel Ive found! 🇧🇷
I took propionate for the first time and it rounded my muscles and got me tight and acne was going away. Prop every other day was getting me cut with no diet.
I like prop the most
i’m super happy to hear from Dave that many people doesn’t tollerate propionate too weel. i think i’m one of that person cause the days after injection my muscle hurt so bad😬😬
I’m gonna try with the enanthate hoping for this to get better! 😜
You ever try phenylprop? I'm gonna try every ester and then formulate my own blend that makes me feel the best.
How did this work for you? Was enanthate better?
I did TRT for 1.5 half years to treat hypogonadism and the doctor only prescribed me Nebido and did not want to give me anything else, EVEN though my body was not responding well at all. After 1-2 weeks of taking a shot, my test levels were dropping to almost 0 and I was taking a shot every 90 days.
If you take a good look at Sustanon, the ester balance is backwards. Its front loaded with propionate and has less decanoate. I think its actually the worst ester. Sure you can cover it with ever other day, but you are better off with test E. I think they possibly blended it for fast results for marketing reasons.
Well, all of the above thank you David...
I inject daily by SUBQ with a .5ml insulin syringe. I have never felt better so it might seem like a pain to some to inject daily but it has been working for me. My labs show low estradiol too. When I injected bi weekly or weekly I had high E.
Test cyp? How many mg a day?
Dave is the man 👍 I took test back in the 90’s, then when I turned 55 my pcp suggested HRT but pushed Androgell ($500 for 30 day supply). It didn’t give me energy or help build muscle, but like Dave talks about, increased my red blood cells and risked stroke or heart attack) so paid $160 2x month to draw 1 pt of blood. Went to a urologist who Rx 1/2cc of cyp to get my test from 250ng up to 800ng ( normal being 300 - 1100 ng) insurance covers $10 mo w/co pay, better safe then sorry
Test Enanthate is my Jam. Maybe it’s just in my head but Cyp makes me hold a lot of water. Prop hurts like a mfer at the injection site. Again, it could all be in my mind. Who knows. I just feel better on Enanthate than any of the others. Never tried any other anabolics. I’ve been afraid to branch out past testosterone. I don’t compete as a body builder or anything like that. I just enjoy the way testosterone makes me feel. The endurance, the strength, the energy, the gains, and the all around feeling of wellness when I am on it. I work at a physically demanding job and we are constantly running and climbing around our facility. I love the way I can keep going while I watch my co-workers physically fade through out the day. Their frail natural bodies just can’t keep up with the nectar of the gods pumping through my veins. 😄
Whats ur dosage? And what else do u take minimize the side effects?
Same. Test E works well for me. No side effects
Holy grail For test research. The Goat for real
This completely answers my question. I was wondering the same. If you're spreading pins out to once a week you are essentially turning cyp or e into a long drawn out test prop in regards to level consistency. Thanks!
lol 😂 but is humans wanna understand you
.5 mL every E3D of cypionate has been working great as opposed to when I was taking 1 mL every 7 days.
1/ what is E3D ?!!
2/working great as in results or you mean side effects ?
Also have you tried enanthate ? and what would you advise ? Enanthate or cypionate ?
so if I inject on Monday , I inject again wednesday (meaning on the third day) or after three days meaning I inject on thursday ?!
ASMR Pizza if I do enanthate I pin it Monday and Thursday. Atm I’m on propionate so im pinning Monday Wednesday and Friday. Test e is the best value, prop is good but gotta pin it more and much more expensive
If you are buying from a ugl lab its the same dam thing, different label lmao
Within a day on Test Prop I kid you not I felt INVINCIBLE in social, public settings. Anxiety disappears.... Test Prop is AMAZING. Recently turned to dark side. Test Prop hits super fast, within hours sex drive is felt...... Only down side was the painful pip pain which disappears once you keep pinning in same place (left glute is a great place) Changes your life👀👀 I used to see them posts on how Test made them feel, didn't think much of it. Now I get it....
You still like test prop the most? Me too
Q&A Why should we take less Propionate than longer esters a week? 1000mg is 1000mg weekly. But propionate must be taken in lower amount. Shout out from Poland!
always cracks me up when u talk about for instant finasteride then compare it to your species supplements lol you could take test cyp test enanthate OR my product testolyze 🤣🤣👍🏻
I bet all of his supplements are just sugar pills. Supplements don't do jack shit
thank you for this information really apreciated!
I take test e every wednesday and another test e and a deca on sunday. Works fine 👍
The rant we all want.....what are a few good reliable supplies....ill pay money for that rant lolv
Knowledge wise it doesn’t get better than Dave.
Dave, when you keep saying "distribution/level period/etc", the word you're looking for is pharmacokinetics. That is defined as the onset/peak/duration of a drug.
Bryan Stellfox Very good imput thanks 🙏
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Well what did u expect? He isn't a pharmacist or a health care practitioner ALSO he's speaking to the internet ffs where there is a much greater number of laymen than there is learned men to say the least.
@@amodernalchemist432 these guys always need to come with something they took from a textbook or recycled from a different video to try and seem smart lol I bet he does not have near the same knowledge on this topic at the end of the day.
Love this channel 👍
Granted the doctor I see now at the TRT clinic locally is great and on top of bloodwork, etc. even things like thyroid etc.. however, when I have great health insurance and with a RX could spend 1/12 the $$. T is a requirement for my health and well-being. Always felt that it was low but never would have guessed that it was so low in both total and free. Hope to find a doc soon. Patches don’t do squat. Cream also no thanks, my wife doesn’t want near me if she knows i have rx around.. 😮
Aaron Singerman - Redconartist 1
Anyone who makes me side with peeghey is a cookie cutter hormone abuser
whichever ester can make me look like you Dave
Michael Edwards tek loads of GH then. Get lots of acromegaly features
Liam Wood 😂🤣😂🤣
How he used to look.
Test palumbionate
Richard's World Traveler. Lol he had a small head.
Hi Dave thank you for you advice I will be check thanks
Dave, you are a legend and your straight talk is priceless. I just wanted to respectfully disagree with you about Sustanon. There is the sustanon 250/ml and some companies are doing 350/ml. I'm not a body builder and never was, I'm merely a 52 year old that started TRT treatment about 3 years ago. If you are doing TRT, a shot every 10 or 15 days is sufficient to just feel normal. If you are a body builder then get yourself the sustanon 350 and hit it every 5 days along with whatever steroid your followers use. But, I have to indirectly agree with a statement you made, allergies. Sustanon has 4 different tests in it, and if you are allergic to any of them, you will get a bump that may not resolve for several days. Anyway Mr. I'm happy that you exist in this wild wild west of misinformation. You are a credit to the body building industry and I pray that your health stays tops so we can enjoy your videos for decades to come.
I'm 43, and like you I procured test for trt. I'm also a contractor and found myself struggling in the morning after a day or building, roofing, etc. I purchased some cyp and within a few weeks felt like my old self. I kept injecting 250mgs twice a week and after 20 injections I ran out and decided to try a sustanon. Before the sustanon I felt great. Once I started the sustanon I felt a decline in overall well-being. I can only assume my body reacts better to long acting esters at my age.
In my 20's I had some access to dianobol, equpoise, winstrol and enanthate. Equpoise and Dbol being the most effective at the time. Over the last handful of weeks I've decided to stick with th cyp and possibly toss in what is left of the sus until it's gone. I see myself staying on weekly injections of cyp or enanthate well into my 50's.
Anyway, just wanted to bounce that off someone taking test for similar reasons I am. I'm open to any suggestions, thoughts, etc
*mls, is what I meant. Not mgs.
I wish dave would debate coach trevor. Trevor says low test and higher other anabolics but dave said test best highest dose
All have a place- I do a small amount testP every other day and every 5 days some testE
Short esters EOD
Longer esters every 5 days
You're promoting anabolics, wearing your sponsors shirt. Beast.
Dave thx for the sermon!
You can't form a valid option on testosterone until you have had it from several different sources. Iv had Suss 250 that was amazing and I have had some that sucked. But as far as side effects go. Iv found Suss250 to be better than test e and test c.
Your a legend Dave !!!
The suspension water based is utilised 100%,thus every milligram of it is used.
My TRT protocol involves 25mg of TE eod
George Touliatos MD why would you have patients try and inject so frequently? Or do you try and bring all your patients into your office every other day?
That DP Prop is good stuff lol
He said a lot without saying anything. Lol. I love ya tho Dave. Most of your videos are great
just in general i think cypionate is the best which is why its most regularly prescribed by doctors
I load with prop then level with E then finish with cyp. I sight suspension works great hurts like a bitch
For me Test prop 100mg eod did aromatase less than test e 250mg twice a week . When I added arimidex while on test e I couldn’t train heavy because of the dry joints and got injured on my elbow. I chose to stick on test prop even with the PIP
What do you think about it now? Still prefere test prop above test e? I don't feel as much energy and libido on test E as I have with prop
I love test prop it hurts yes but when I’m on prep I love it
Except for the whole pinning eod...i mean u dont run out of places to pin by week 5?? Lol
What areas u use
Testosterone enanthate is king, Cypionte is just the same type of ester,very chemically related. I'm on 500mgs of test enanthate and 250-400mgs of EQ. (boldenone) weekly three times a week,Test E Mon and Fri,Boldenone/EQ on Wednesday. Propionate is very cheap but affective,but has extreme PIP. Sustanon 250 has propionate in it 30mgs per ml. Test is king. All other compounds are optional.
What about enanthate vs propionate for lean muscle growth
Proprianate is Every 2 days..Man I Lost a Lot Fat and Not so Much Muscle...But i was With Good Definition.........After 1 Month that i Stopped, i started to have Heart problems...for 3 MONTHS.....Be Carrefull...
Tes pro is always easy for me to take the Cyp is what leaves me with welts super affective but soooo painful
I thought cyp was longer than eth?
Thanks for the video!!!!!
Dave a legitimate question, why do the doctors prescribe long chain and once a week or once every two weeks
Dave honestly you simply the man.
What do you think of Testoviron Depot 250?
I'll stick to my cypionate..wish doctors were a looser on doses..200mg got me to 1130ngpdl, doc freaked..i was happy
You need to educate him on what's good for the patient, not what the number say. How you feel should be his primary goal. Of course, that's provided its not causing any harm, and the rest of your blood work doesn't show any elevated values.
Don't forget throw in some Dianabol with that test, then anadrol with the test, then deca n test, the primobolin and T then tren E and test! YEAH BUDDY anavar and test every once in awhile for cut. Oh and take TUDCA, milk thistle at proper high dosage as well as lecithin. Take care of that liver. Take omega 3s for your heart and to keep cholesterol down as well as good MCT oils
I am talking andro gel 1.62, 3 pumps daily.
Bruh I definitely need a coach who knows this shit cuz I’m lost lol
Do more learning, research and read all of the information is available just make sure they are legit sources and not fucking bloggers that don't know anything.
Super cool advice!!!!
I used Test Enanthate and got huge gains. 1 ml every 3 days in the ass cheek and I bought two 10 ml bottles...it doesn't hurt but it's in an oil suspension and noticed a lump at the injection site..especially when sitting down lasting about 5 days. So it's a good idea to rotate injection areas from ass to thigh and left/right side of the body.
This is exactly what I’m doing, did you ever think about switching to eod? I’m feeling good with 250mg e3d.
Rip in advance
@@kaneandruss3577 my apologies for taking so long to answer. I didn't even know someone had replied. But, to answer your question, I don't believe I have heard of eod. I would have to look it up and see the pros and cons before I could say I would take it. I'm extremely cautious as to what I take. I always do my homework on drugs whether they r pharmaceuticals or recreationals.
@@nrjfilms216 same to u. We all die someday and some die earlier than others. I personally don't want to live until I'm 90 anyhow. End up in an old folks home, eating baby food and having to wear a diaper. I would rather earlier than later, but that's just me. Others will have different opinions...
@@amodernalchemist432 my testosterone levels is below 230 ng/dl
I suffering lot's of problems
I feel tired every day, feeling giveup , depression, low sex drive, muscle loss
I know there are only one option to treat( TRT) but i have fear about side effects 😥😥
This was a long time ago, but I think there is an error in this discussion. Yes, these testosterone drugs have different half lives, but the only one that's important is the first one. It's the first one that tells you how long the drug stays in the therapeutic range. After that, the drug is no longer at an effective concentration, and is eventually flushed out of the body over the remaining half lives. But you don't need to take a dose IN THE MIDDLE of a half life. The initial dose is effective for the WHOLE half life, not just a part of it. It's only when the concentration goes under the therapeutic range that a new dose is needed. To take a dose in the middle of a half life basically means you are wasting a dose, or at least half a dose of the drug.
Whats the best ester for hair?
What causes alergie from Propionate?
Whats it called? Testolize? The med that bounds Dht?
Good info Dave..
What do you think about esters like cyp not sitting well with people dosing too frequently. I don’t know what my deal is but I always preferred less frequency over everyday or every other day. Felt wayyy better on every 5 day for example instead of EOD.
dav ,your vascularity is incredible
Looks like once you get to 1-3% body fat your body never gets the fat back fully. It seems to be this way anyways haha
The best Testosterone to do is Sustanon 2x/wk by far. You get the best of both worlds. Fast acting and long. I’ve done them all and Sustanon is King! Never felt better. Also Cypionate’s 1/2 life is actually a day longer than Enanthate, although I prefer Enanthate better.
It baffles my mind how you doesn't have 100s of more subscribers
You mean hundreds of thousands more!
Id just like to say (Ive been on replacement for years) that enanthate/cypionate have about 8 to 10 day half life and it takes about 48 hours to absorb a 1ml shot, that being said I cant see any reason to go more that twice a week. thats what Ive found, Ive tried every second day and could find no difference. so like monday morning and thursday evening, theres really not enough time between shots for any signifigant reduction in serum levels.
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