This isn't a huge secret but something worth pointing out is that all of the guards in Honor Hold are all aged from having been stationed in Outland for so long. If you look at them you will notice that they all have white hair and aged faces. I thought that was another really cool world building/flavor thing for Blizzard to do. I never noticed before until coming back to TBC classic and it was pointed out to me.
I don't know how this is pointed out only now by so many :/ I realized this instantly when I first got there. This was so logical and totally normal to me.
@@michixlol Yeah, I was always a Horde player so I never had a lot of time inside of Honor Hold but I defintely did not pick up on it right away when I first arrived at the town. Such cool little touches for them do. Love it.
The CM story is really relevant even today, in the shitpost, dox, and swating era. I really enjoy those small bits and pieces stories about small things not a lot of people would research :)
Yup, people are so toxic that all artificial intelligence robots that research the world through the internet all agree that humanity should be purged. #Thanosdidnothingwrong
i used to be mod in few places , you would not believe how much soul it can suck out when you encounter someone who dedicates his time to make your life and others miserable , and rallies mob becouse you banned him. This is why it somewhat pleases me that in community on furry website i am...bans are public , with admin even imbedding "reason of ban" into your profile so its indisputable. , for anyone to see with extra click. i wish more places had "such stanse" as it would be easier to punish such folk , and make everyone life better.
I expect a note about John Lionhearted's grave in Honor Hold. Such a legend. The CM segment was just sad eye opening with the parallels it draws up to this day.
For what it is worth. I remember the people over at quality control in the eu blizz branch in france talk about Tseric and even they didn't really know what happened. Afair, he left on his own officially but he may have been "helped" in his dicision making process. His actions did spark quite the conversation in the offices though. And even back then the general view of players that would frequent the ticketing system was not very positive amongst the GM's. As many of the sensible or sane folk that needed assistance in the game wouldn't directly reach out to customer services but rather ask fellow players or consult the web prior to opening a ticket or angrily post on the forums. So the consistent interaction with players was a rather vocal or typical type of player that heavily skewed the view of our playerbase we met and assisted on a daily basis. Incidentaly also one of the biggest reasons why I left. I wanted to help people in the game, not deal with a holes all day.
Officially it's never been confirmed or denied if he left voluntarily, was fired, or was voluntold. Eyonix was asked about it, IIRC, and his answer was just "If I told you, you'd be asking the same question about me tomorrow," which suggests Tseric was fired by HR for being so combative on the forums during his breakdown, but again it's not a smoking gun. I also have to wonder what his work situation was like beyond the relentless shitstorm he was fighting against on the forums, with the recent lawsuit and all.
So fascinating...a game I played 14 years ago...in Outland which I plaxed through at least 1000 times...with so obvious things like the guy at the graveyard...and I never noticed that.
This is by far my favorite series of videos of yours, they're always so well done and surprisingly always have at least one or two things I didn't actually know about wow. Most videos presented to be hidden things in wow are like.. always on the same top 10 lists from the last decade haha. Wonderful job, dude.
Thats what I like about this series too. There are SO MANY interesting things to talk about in the game, that are just not important enough to warrant their own videos, and would never make it into a top 10.
@@hirumaredx I'm attempting to write a series kind of more focuses on world building in wow for a new channel and there really is so much WoW has to offer other than what's front and center, I feel like it's vastly under-appreciated
If I may suggest something for a future video segment over The Unknown Side of WoW: Tagar Spinebreaker. Tagar Spinebreaker is a Fel Orc NPC that walks around the hills surrounding the Path of Glory in Hellfire Peninsula in Outland. He seems to be a random elite in Outland with no quests associated to him (that I know of) and simply seems to serve to annoy players leveling around the area as he's generally not worth killing because his item drops aren't very good. Tagar's lore is that he's the Chieftain of the Bonechewer Clan in the main universe who was left behind on Outland when the Dark Portal closed. He was originally a normal Bonechewer Orc serving under the previous Chieftain named Hurkan Skullsplinter until he was killed by Grommash Hellscream to retrieve the Skull of Gul'dan. After Grom killed Hurkan he asked the Bonechewers who would step up to be the next Chieftain, and Tagar stepped forth. He accompanied Teron Gorefiend to Blackrock Mountain during the Second War to get the aid of Blackhand's sons, Rend and Maim but they refused, after this he witnessed Deathwing who helped them. He also accompanied Fenris the Hunter, Chieftain of the Thunderlords, to the Tomb of Sargeras to get the Jeweled Scepter of Sargeras for Ner'zhul, after this he returned to Draenor and the rest is history. Tagar also has an alternate doppelganger who joined the Shadow Council in Warlords of Draenor. He accompanied Teron'gor into the Tomb of Lights but is killed by adventurers while defending him, he's the objective of the quest "Nightmare in the Tomb."
Discovering the, not so secret, but ignored side of wow's world was my main activity when I still played. Looking everywhere, discovering those minuscule bits of life around the world was so fulfilling!
I'm willing to bet that Jar of Ashes blurb was the result of a disgruntled programmer voicing his feelings of exploitation at the hands of higher ups, and hiding it in game somewhere. It's super poetic, honestly.
its nothing to do with exploitation and higher ups, its about the people who use to make this game for the love of the game losing their passion because all they get is toxic feedback. Now the company is full of money grubs that have turned the game into a cashcow because they don't give a fuck about the game
@@Ts0usermax Even when you're passionate about something, you can still get burned out from being forced to work on it. Game companies have a *very* bad history with how they treat employees.
Teseric legit called it out and said it in words more perfect than anyone can come up with now even. Even tho its only dawned what he said as SO MUCH MORE TRUE
When you actually stop to think about it - most gaming communities are trash, as you put. Play a competitive game like CS:GO, Rainbow six: Seige, Valorant, Call of Duty, Rocket League, League of Legends, Overwatch, so on and so forth. Most of these games have a means of judging you based upon your skill; "Ranked"/"Competitive". Again, in most of these games, you typically have to achieve some type of small achievement to begin playing in these ranked/competitive play-modes, such as; reach level 25 or win 10 games. Now, most people when playing those games, get a false sense of... "oh wow this community is so nice, helpful, etc." because once you tell someone you're new...they tend to...not be harsh on you. However, the second you go and play competitive, the very moment that you underperform, they jump on the opportunity to insult you, make you feel like shit, get upset with you, even yell and use racial or homophobic slurs. WoW... well, WoW isn't half as toxic as most of these other communities. You might have guild drama, or loot drama, maybe PvP drama, but that's childs play compared to the toxicity in those other games. I've seen players literally doxx people in Valorant lobbies, I've seen players in Rocket League telling each-other that they should just kill themselves. I've seen people in Overwatch calling their team-mates "Ni**ers". You name it, I've probably seen it. and I remember Tserics rant quite vividly. During that time, in TBC people bitched. They bitched a lot. Tseric and Ghostcrawler caught a lot of bullshit, simply because they responded, as it was their job. As stated, somebody could be new to the game, and they could go to utilize the forums, and the second that either of them responded, it'd be followeod with a barrage of people bitching and moaning about this class being too strong or this class being too weak, to the extent that most of these people just sounded like 13 year old children. Past a certain point, those trolls also knew that they could get a response out of one of them. Now...though... I think the WoW forums are pretty much dead. If they aren't, then this type of bullshittery doesn't really happen anymore. WoW has evolved past the point of people bitching about class balance. Now they bitch and cry about other stuff, like lack of quality in the game, having to beta test finished expansions on release, bad expansion gimmicks, etc, etc.
4:30 it does kind of make sense. You could draw aggro and start healing allies. It would be inefficient, but you might gain enough aggro from healing that its worth it relative to dps At the same time, it would take like 2 mins with some random mobs or 10 minutes doing math to find out that dpsing is way more relevant than healing with delayed casts...
David Wayne is the most normal name for a character I’ve ever heard of wow. I’d be shocked if his name isn’t a reference to a devs family member or something
Could you make a video on things that have stayed the same since Classic to Shadowlands? Thought about this when playing TBC, and looked at (racial for Undead-Horde) Will of the Forsaken. Don't think it's ever been changed? I know you would make an awesome video!
That jar of ashes reminds me of the brazier of awakening item from WoD. I wonder if its related in any way, cuz I think they are similarly located on Helfire/Tanaan.
No one realize the Helfire peon was a designers manifesto before he lost it and went on a murder spree. But he died of a heart attack on the way home from work. And thus the legend was lost to history.
Oh shit, now that you mention it I remember when all that tseric stuff was going down on the forums, poor guy was just getting flamed all over the place
The problem with the theory of the Jar of Ashes had anything to do with Tseric is that the item was already in game before Tseric left and/or got fired (or even posted that message you quoted). It's not impossible that a different disgruntled employee put it there, and even seems quite likely, but it's also possible it's not a reference to anything in particular and it's just meant as flavor text.
CM story is always relevant for me, after many forums and communities, I joined and leaved, I still get trolls like that, even in real life, I still see people who show 'the real' on their side and want everything to be their side and ignore 'the real' in other sides. even try to prevent something good, that will shake their reality.
"also please remember to not subscribe" . Cmon bois sub to this guy been watching his videos for so fucking long, he puts a lot of work in he deserves it.
It sucks how low Paladins are on the DPS totem pole, cuz it's my favorite class in retail, and I wanted to play it in WoW Classic too before i realized how bad it was
Tseric was 100 percent in the right when he wrote that. The crazy part is, 14 plus years later he is even MORE correct with what he wrote in comparison with today's landscape.
was expecting to see the eye of haramad - i can remember that i loved to get keys for the keychain and it was the only one i got that was rare. you also had to do an obnoxious questline and i like to think that i was the only one on the server or one of very few who did that questline at the time especially because you didnt get something good out of it (my buddy who got the insane title later in the game didnt even bother with that; maybe thats why i think its rare but idk for sure)
"They were afraid Paladins could heal themselves up" How? By bubbling first or by casting a 5 second Holy Light while being pushed back by 5 mobs? Paladin development in Vanilla was really interesting ^^ But this is part of what makes Classic WoW amazing, isnt it?
Yeah it was pretty funny listening to the interview because of how obviously un-broken it is. But they were super concerned that paladins would be op because of it lol
@Longwriter made an old series looking back on the history of paladins over the years called "Does Blizzard really hate paladins?", the evidence makes it obvious that some of the devs really hated paladins and by extension "hybrid" classes but especially paladins and did what they could to hold them back and make them as week as they could compared to others like warriors and rogues.
Blizzard said that they "forgot" about the player obtainable Ashbringer, but I think that's a load of shit. When they were first making references to the Ashbringer in late vanilla, they might've known that they were going to make a Northrend expansion, but the details were probably still up in the air. The Ashbringer may've even just been a hint to that. However, when TBC launched, they probably had the bare-bones story written out, the one where the Ashbringer went to...Tirion Fordring. Take this into consideration with David Wayne, and I think it's pretty obvious that they didn't "forget." Rather, I think it's more likely that they had changed the story, removed any plans for the player obtainable weapon, and were just making up an excuse that didn't immediately reveal story details of WotLK.
Honestly, the jar of ashes message reads 100% as a masseage from a game dev tired of being overworked and underappreciated. When WoW had come out, Blizzard had already become a pretty big company, but by the time TBC came out it was a full-on corporation. And I wasn't there, but due to my previous job, I've seen the process firsthand in many companies across many industries including videogame developers. The people on top completely lose touch with the people at the bottom as an ever-growing new layer of middle-managers and administrators become the new leaders of daily operations. And suddenly, if you are at the bottom, you no longer matter. Suddenly, creative decisions have to be approved by a marketing department that is composed mostly of people that come from the retail business. Suddenly, if you have a problem you don't tell the boss, you have to go to HR, and to them the fact that you have a problem IS the problem, and therefore YOU are the problem. Suddenly, you are not creating art, you are not developing a game, you are just -working-. One of the WC3 developers had a series of videos talking about how it was to work at the game. He explained how they would sit in a room and Metzen would explain what each mission in the campaigns was supposed to be, and then each level developer would call dibs on the ones they liked or found interesting, and then would be given a level of creative liberty I absolutely don't believe anyone has in current day Blizzard. Being there for that process can already be extremely draining and demotivating for an artist under normal circumstances. Add to that that the gaming industry is already so exploitative under normal circumstances and that the developers would be under a lot of pressure from a lot of greedy hands wanting to have their hand in the jar of the most profitable game of its time, and honestly, I'm surprsed nobody has burned the fucking Blizzard building to this day.
What happened to Tseric is sad. Unfortunately im not surprised about the toxic behavour online. But if the Peons note was from him,then its good that Blizzard desided not to remove it.
I stopped playing wow as I graduated high school almost a decade ago (2012) I started playing in my 6th grade year and was very good 4x gladiator over different seasons and also in a top 50 world guild. It’s nice to watch these videos for a brief recap on something that was ever so consuming on my life(had like 200 played days on my dk by cata) without losing that time I’ve come to appreciate and try my best to take advantage of
The fact that they thought being able to cast healing spells while tanking would be too powerful makes me wonder if they had ever played the game at all...
@Quetip24 i dont know where this conception comes from. I see people using their real name and being awful people all the time. People absolutely dont need anonymity to be an awful person.
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This isn't a huge secret but something worth pointing out is that all of the guards in Honor Hold are all aged from having been stationed in Outland for so long. If you look at them you will notice that they all have white hair and aged faces. I thought that was another really cool world building/flavor thing for Blizzard to do. I never noticed before until coming back to TBC classic and it was pointed out to me.
I don't know how this is pointed out only now by so many :/ I realized this instantly when I first got there. This was so logical and totally normal to me.
@@michixlol Yeah, I was always a Horde player so I never had a lot of time inside of Honor Hold but I defintely did not pick up on it right away when I first arrived at the town. Such cool little touches for them do. Love it.
@@aroundthefur1210 I totally love it too, yes :)
I absolutely adore this series. Please don't ever stop making videos like these.
I second this hard
The CM story is really relevant even today, in the shitpost, dox, and swating era. I really enjoy those small bits and pieces stories about small things not a lot of people would research :)
Do you even realize life is about the small things?
Yup, people are so toxic that all artificial intelligence robots that research the world through the internet all agree that humanity should be purged. #Thanosdidnothingwrong
@@sphong0610 Ultron**
i used to be mod in few places , you would not believe how much soul it can suck out when you encounter someone who dedicates his time to make your life and others miserable , and rallies mob becouse you banned him.
This is why it somewhat pleases me that in community on furry website i am...bans are public , with admin even imbedding "reason of ban" into your profile so its indisputable. , for anyone to see with extra click.
i wish more places had "such stanse" as it would be easier to punish such folk , and make everyone life better.
Another thing to add is that the guards in Honor Hold are all old and gray haired because they've been trapped on Outland for 20 years.
they aren't trapped, they are just fighting the Orcish Horde for years and now some emo edglelord loser elf and his lame ass crew.
@@newfacepaula they were trapped though? they were assault led by khadgar, and the portal was destroyed,
@@newfacepaula they were trapped
Holy crap, that message from that CM really hits hard.
The Jar of Ashes hits differently in a post-lawsuit world.
That was my thought as I listened to the flavor text. It definitely sounds like a disgruntled employee "Easter egg."
not really... who cares
@@erikaw7767 you, apparently. and enough to comment on a year-old post! hah
@@evergreenoaktree that has nothing to do with anything. People are still batching about him so my point is valid. Semantics..
@@erikaw7767 You dropped this 🤡 my guy
I expect a note about John Lionhearted's grave in Honor Hold. Such a legend.
The CM segment was just sad eye opening with the parallels it draws up to this day.
For what it is worth. I remember the people over at quality control in the eu blizz branch in france talk about Tseric and even they didn't really know what happened. Afair, he left on his own officially but he may have been "helped" in his dicision making process.
His actions did spark quite the conversation in the offices though. And even back then the general view of players that would frequent the ticketing system was not very positive amongst the GM's. As many of the sensible or sane folk that needed assistance in the game wouldn't directly reach out to customer services but rather ask fellow players or consult the web prior to opening a ticket or angrily post on the forums. So the consistent interaction with players was a rather vocal or typical type of player that heavily skewed the view of our playerbase we met and assisted on a daily basis.
Incidentaly also one of the biggest reasons why I left. I wanted to help people in the game, not deal with a holes all day.
Officially it's never been confirmed or denied if he left voluntarily, was fired, or was voluntold. Eyonix was asked about it, IIRC, and his answer was just "If I told you, you'd be asking the same question about me tomorrow," which suggests Tseric was fired by HR for being so combative on the forums during his breakdown, but again it's not a smoking gun. I also have to wonder what his work situation was like beyond the relentless shitstorm he was fighting against on the forums, with the recent lawsuit and all.
So fascinating...a game I played 14 years ago...in Outland which I plaxed through at least 1000 times...with so obvious things like the guy at the graveyard...and I never noticed that.
This is by far my favorite series of videos of yours, they're always so well done and surprisingly always have at least one or two things I didn't actually know about wow. Most videos presented to be hidden things in wow are like.. always on the same top 10 lists from the last decade haha.
Wonderful job, dude.
Thats what I like about this series too. There are SO MANY interesting things to talk about in the game, that are just not important enough to warrant their own videos, and would never make it into a top 10.
@@hirumaredx I'm attempting to write a series kind of more focuses on world building in wow for a new channel and there really is so much WoW has to offer other than what's front and center, I feel like it's vastly under-appreciated
Tseric hit the nail on the head, and it's even more true now than ever.
I mean, Tseric wasn't wrong and he's still right.
He's actually more correct now than ever. That rant has aged like a fine wine.
@@chipchippahson we should have listened...
Dude was ahead of his time
we really make this game far worse than it has to be lmao.
@@chipchippahson Good for him for getting out when he did, right? Imagine how depressed he'd be at the state of things now lol
My man out here making the best quality WoW content on youtube! Keep it up man you're doing great!!
That rant was lovely. Damn I want this on a shirt.
One secret you forgot was how those bloody fel reavers always managed to sneak up on you.
(Laughs in engineer remote)
If I may suggest something for a future video segment over The Unknown Side of WoW: Tagar Spinebreaker.
Tagar Spinebreaker is a Fel Orc NPC that walks around the hills surrounding the Path of Glory in Hellfire Peninsula in Outland. He seems to be a random elite in Outland with no quests associated to him (that I know of) and simply seems to serve to annoy players leveling around the area as he's generally not worth killing because his item drops aren't very good.
Tagar's lore is that he's the Chieftain of the Bonechewer Clan in the main universe who was left behind on Outland when the Dark Portal closed. He was originally a normal Bonechewer Orc serving under the previous Chieftain named Hurkan Skullsplinter until he was killed by Grommash Hellscream to retrieve the Skull of Gul'dan. After Grom killed Hurkan he asked the Bonechewers who would step up to be the next Chieftain, and Tagar stepped forth. He accompanied Teron Gorefiend to Blackrock Mountain during the Second War to get the aid of Blackhand's sons, Rend and Maim but they refused, after this he witnessed Deathwing who helped them. He also accompanied Fenris the Hunter, Chieftain of the Thunderlords, to the Tomb of Sargeras to get the Jeweled Scepter of Sargeras for Ner'zhul, after this he returned to Draenor and the rest is history.
Tagar also has an alternate doppelganger who joined the Shadow Council in Warlords of Draenor. He accompanied Teron'gor into the Tomb of Lights but is killed by adventurers while defending him, he's the objective of the quest "Nightmare in the Tomb."
Dude thank you for just being entertaining with these videos.
Nothing better than putting on your videos before a drive.
Discovering the, not so secret, but ignored side of wow's world was my main activity when I still played. Looking everywhere, discovering those minuscule bits of life around the world was so fulfilling!
Yes! I loved going and finding Easter eggs! Seems like they don't add those in as much these days.
I'm willing to bet that Jar of Ashes blurb was the result of a disgruntled programmer voicing his feelings of exploitation at the hands of higher ups, and hiding it in game somewhere. It's super poetic, honestly.
its nothing to do with exploitation and higher ups, its about the people who use to make this game for the love of the game losing their passion because all they get is toxic feedback.
Now the company is full of money grubs that have turned the game into a cashcow because they don't give a fuck about the game
@@Ts0usermax Even when you're passionate about something, you can still get burned out from being forced to work on it.
Game companies have a *very* bad history with how they treat employees.
LOL it has nothing to do with what you say. lol learn to read and comprehend
that jar of ashes thing is kinda dark with all the blizzard news lately
Love the lore of this kinds of random npcs from wow. Thankyou. Really fills the heart. love your work from Nagaland
Your number one fan here! I love the content as always. Everything you do about WoW I love!
I love this random bits and pieces of WoW!
Teseric's rant is proof the WoW Community has always been trash.
Shoot you can apply that to MOBAs, really online game
Teseric legit called it out and said it in words more perfect than anyone can come up with now even. Even tho its only dawned what he said as SO MUCH MORE TRUE
@@TownPortals Given blizzard state right now, it seen finally his wrath come to play.
When you actually stop to think about it - most gaming communities are trash, as you put. Play a competitive game like CS:GO, Rainbow six: Seige, Valorant, Call of Duty, Rocket League, League of Legends, Overwatch, so on and so forth. Most of these games have a means of judging you based upon your skill; "Ranked"/"Competitive". Again, in most of these games, you typically have to achieve some type of small achievement to begin playing in these ranked/competitive play-modes, such as; reach level 25 or win 10 games.
Now, most people when playing those games, get a false sense of... "oh wow this community is so nice, helpful, etc." because once you tell someone you're new...they tend to...not be harsh on you. However, the second you go and play competitive, the very moment that you underperform, they jump on the opportunity to insult you, make you feel like shit, get upset with you, even yell and use racial or homophobic slurs. WoW... well, WoW isn't half as toxic as most of these other communities. You might have guild drama, or loot drama, maybe PvP drama, but that's childs play compared to the toxicity in those other games. I've seen players literally doxx people in Valorant lobbies, I've seen players in Rocket League telling each-other that they should just kill themselves. I've seen people in Overwatch calling their team-mates "Ni**ers". You name it, I've probably seen it.
and I remember Tserics rant quite vividly. During that time, in TBC people bitched. They bitched a lot. Tseric and Ghostcrawler caught a lot of bullshit, simply because they responded, as it was their job. As stated, somebody could be new to the game, and they could go to utilize the forums, and the second that either of them responded, it'd be followeod with a barrage of people bitching and moaning about this class being too strong or this class being too weak, to the extent that most of these people just sounded like 13 year old children. Past a certain point, those trolls also knew that they could get a response out of one of them.
Now...though... I think the WoW forums are pretty much dead. If they aren't, then this type of bullshittery doesn't really happen anymore. WoW has evolved past the point of people bitching about class balance. Now they bitch and cry about other stuff, like lack of quality in the game, having to beta test finished expansions on release, bad expansion gimmicks, etc, etc.
@@dollahbill510 people do have some civikised discussions in blizzard WoW forums.
Hopefully people realky did become better than how they used to be.
3:50 Holy shit, I just saw someone from who were originally on Feenix, I raided with them and now they exist on US-Thrall.
And whoever liked that, Hi Legacy gamer! msg me!
there has to be a lot more secrets as this was only in hellfire peninsula get us a part 2 my man
yes, that's nothing. There's so much trivia in vanilla wow and cata revamped world
Legend has it Nekrogg still patrols that wall even till this very day...
Feel bad for that cm.
4:30 it does kind of make sense. You could draw aggro and start healing allies. It would be inefficient, but you might gain enough aggro from healing that its worth it relative to dps
At the same time, it would take like 2 mins with some random mobs or 10 minutes doing math to find out that dpsing is way more relevant than healing with delayed casts...
9:20 basically talking about how ppl on Twitter act
If it's good it will be hated, I don't know how to explain it thoroughly but this is my thoughts.
ah yes shadowlands best expansion confirmed
@@d1nooo You are not far from it, despite being...limited, ignorant and filled with sacrasm.
David Wayne is the most normal name for a character I’ve ever heard of wow. I’d be shocked if his name isn’t a reference to a devs family member or something
Keep up the great dude! Buy yourself a soda pop for all the hard work you do! :D
Could you make a video on things that have stayed the same since Classic to Shadowlands? Thought about this when playing TBC, and looked at (racial for Undead-Horde) Will of the Forsaken. Don't think it's ever been changed? I know you would make an awesome video!
"Remember to not subscribe"... Hmmm a little reverse Psychology... Well jokes on you, I am already subscribed buddy!
That jar of ashes reminds me of the brazier of awakening item from WoD. I wonder if its related in any way, cuz I think they are similarly located on Helfire/Tanaan.
that Jar of Ashes bit reminds me that Danger Dolan covered it too....god remember when Danger Dolan was good?
damn im so glad you are still here Hiru. I started watching in 2018 and its great to see you still pushing out great content for us normies :L
How did David Wayne carry a FUCKING FORGE to the end of the wilderness, huh?
@@felipeandrescartestoro2835
Maybe the forge is a Dwarf Druid transformed
@@britneyspheres7yearsago11 if that's true you could say that that Dwarf Druid was ... kinda hot ;)
No one realize the Helfire peon was a designers manifesto before he lost it and went on a murder spree. But he died of a heart attack on the way home from work. And thus the legend was lost to history.
the production of these series are out of this world!
Jar of Ashes is the ashes of Blizzard
Oh shit, now that you mention it I remember when all that tseric stuff was going down on the forums, poor guy was just getting flamed all over the place
That rant man... you could feel his pain from there.
It’s a great day when I see a new HIRU vid show up in the feed!
Very good video Hiru! My new favorite of yours.
It took a few expansions, but whoever made the Jar of Ashes sure made good on their promise to make players suffer.
"I give you a 8 month wait for 9.1 as my final revenge!"
woe is you
Well i guess our Jar of Ashes was right :p
Hi, what's the Piano background music playing @2:46 ? Thank you
What set up do I need to get your graphics? I like them
Wooop, i was waitin for next one of these. I love 'em!
That was really good. Great video and well done.
oh, you finally hit 60, nice job! i missed that stream
Isn't Warboss a reference to Orks from the 40k universe?
One of the best hiru series
That cm story is sad
The problem with the theory of the Jar of Ashes had anything to do with Tseric is that the item was already in game before Tseric left and/or got fired (or even posted that message you quoted). It's not impossible that a different disgruntled employee put it there, and even seems quite likely, but it's also possible it's not a reference to anything in particular and it's just meant as flavor text.
CM story is always relevant for me, after many forums and communities, I joined and leaved, I still get trolls like that, even in real life, I still see people who show 'the real' on their side and want everything to be their side and ignore 'the real' in other sides. even try to prevent something good, that will shake their reality.
"also please remember to not subscribe" . Cmon bois sub to this guy been watching his videos for so fucking long, he puts a lot of work in he deserves it.
Love all your videos one of the goats of this game and genre
Anyone knows the name of the song Hiru used for the Caretaker Dilandrus part? 🤔
I played tbc back in the day and had no idea about David Wayne!
Hey, where did you get those transitions from that you opened the video with?
Great video!
Do you use an add on that reads your quest text?
really great video keep making these
what is the quest dialogue addon you are using?
how old is the clip at 1:36 ?
Should do a feature on The Unknown Soldier rare in Duskwood, or Ogdrul in Trueshot Lodge
TBC "The Bullying Cry out"
It sucks how low Paladins are on the DPS totem pole, cuz it's my favorite class in retail, and I wanted to play it in WoW Classic too before i realized how bad it was
The old gods would LOVE the WoW forums. 🐙
Tseric was 100 percent in the right when he wrote that. The crazy part is, 14 plus years later he is even MORE correct with what he wrote in comparison with today's landscape.
and if you think about it, what he was complaining about has leaked out across the internet and is hitting real life.
@@lordjaraxxus5418 Absolutely. No doubt about it.
What's the background music?
Blizzard should pin Tseric's monologue in the Main hall of Blizzard HQ
was expecting to see the eye of haramad - i can remember that i loved to get keys for the keychain and it was the only one i got that was rare. you also had to do an obnoxious questline and i like to think that i was the only one on the server or one of very few who did that questline at the time especially because you didnt get something good out of it (my buddy who got the insane title later in the game didnt even bother with that; maybe thats why i think its rare but idk for sure)
"They were afraid Paladins could heal themselves up"
How? By bubbling first or by casting a 5 second Holy Light while being pushed back by 5 mobs? Paladin development in Vanilla was really interesting ^^ But this is part of what makes Classic WoW amazing, isnt it?
Yeah it was pretty funny listening to the interview because of how obviously un-broken it is. But they were super concerned that paladins would be op because of it lol
@Longwriter made an old series looking back on the history of paladins over the years called "Does Blizzard really hate paladins?", the evidence makes it obvious that some of the devs really hated paladins and by extension "hybrid" classes but especially paladins and did what they could to hold them back and make them as week as they could compared to others like warriors and rogues.
Amazing video
I think I was on the wow forums maybe a handful of times and it was only if I needed to reference patch notes. I nope'd out of there pretty quick.
Blizzard said that they "forgot" about the player obtainable Ashbringer, but I think that's a load of shit.
When they were first making references to the Ashbringer in late vanilla, they might've known that they were going to make a Northrend expansion, but the details were probably still up in the air. The Ashbringer may've even just been a hint to that. However, when TBC launched, they probably had the bare-bones story written out, the one where the Ashbringer went to...Tirion Fordring. Take this into consideration with David Wayne, and I think it's pretty obvious that they didn't "forget." Rather, I think it's more likely that they had changed the story, removed any plans for the player obtainable weapon, and were just making up an excuse that didn't immediately reveal story details of WotLK.
Honestly, the jar of ashes message reads 100% as a masseage from a game dev tired of being overworked and underappreciated. When WoW had come out, Blizzard had already become a pretty big company, but by the time TBC came out it was a full-on corporation.
And I wasn't there, but due to my previous job, I've seen the process firsthand in many companies across many industries including videogame developers. The people on top completely lose touch with the people at the bottom as an ever-growing new layer of middle-managers and administrators become the new leaders of daily operations. And suddenly, if you are at the bottom, you no longer matter. Suddenly, creative decisions have to be approved by a marketing department that is composed mostly of people that come from the retail business. Suddenly, if you have a problem you don't tell the boss, you have to go to HR, and to them the fact that you have a problem IS the problem, and therefore YOU are the problem. Suddenly, you are not creating art, you are not developing a game, you are just -working-.
One of the WC3 developers had a series of videos talking about how it was to work at the game. He explained how they would sit in a room and Metzen would explain what each mission in the campaigns was supposed to be, and then each level developer would call dibs on the ones they liked or found interesting, and then would be given a level of creative liberty I absolutely don't believe anyone has in current day Blizzard.
Being there for that process can already be extremely draining and demotivating for an artist under normal circumstances. Add to that that the gaming industry is already so exploitative under normal circumstances and that the developers would be under a lot of pressure from a lot of greedy hands wanting to have their hand in the jar of the most profitable game of its time, and honestly, I'm surprsed nobody has burned the fucking Blizzard building to this day.
Love the videos
Wait a minute… You are the guy from “TheDuelLogs” aren’t you? I have been following both channels from long long ago and just realized that!!!
10:20 this guy got fed up with the fact that our generation is the generation of selfish psychopaths, and that realization pretty clean.
what what that last bit about not subbing?
What happened to Tseric is sad. Unfortunately im not surprised about the toxic behavour online.
But if the Peons note was from him,then its good that Blizzard desided not to remove it.
I stopped playing wow as I graduated high school almost a decade ago (2012) I started playing in my 6th grade year and was very good 4x gladiator over different seasons and also in a top 50 world guild. It’s nice to watch these videos for a brief recap on something that was ever so consuming on my life(had like 200 played days on my dk by cata) without losing that time I’ve come to appreciate and try my best to take advantage of
That ending, too late! I’m already subbed 😂
The fact that they thought being able to cast healing spells while tanking would be too powerful makes me wonder if they had ever played the game at all...
wait he born and grew up in Outland ? how long was the Alliance there for ?
20 years or so? I'm not 100% sure, it was a long time, but not like super long.
this is so cool
The CM was very wise. If only more people listened to him. Just look at the pvp update for classic. It's shameful how vile many people get on there
@Quetip24 i dont know where this conception comes from. I see people using their real name and being awful people all the time. People absolutely dont need anonymity to be an awful person.
And it’s LITTLE DETAILS like this, is why WoW is auch a Good Game. Things like that matter a lot
That might be a reference to Harry Potter and the Portrait of What Looked Like a Large Pile of Ash.
12:47 Blizzard? Is that you? :(
I feel bad for CM, can't imagine how GMs and community manager manage to deal with such toxicity for decade.
Great video!
Much love from Ohio. ❤✌
Still love your vids mate
this is the WOW i love and lost
Well, let me tell you that David Wayne in Renault Mograine...