C100 VS The Ninja Blade
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- Today we finally get to our Ninja Blade review.... Plus, Josh makes things sexy.
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Your commercials make me laugh always. Must be a great challenge to find new ways to present same info, and you manage to figure out a great take on it everytime.
Thanks! It's always fun to come up with new stuff for it.
So I stay up all night yesterday watching FilmRiot from episode 1 fast forward to me today, lack of sleep and unhealthily binge watching film riot, about to fall sleep, and then I refresh the page and BAMIE WAM!New Episode! I had to watch it!! Great job guys!!
Thanks for the comparison Ryan!
I rented the c100 and ninja blade for a kingdom hearts fan film a couple weeks ago and it was great.
It was all night exteriors and we shot at 16,000 ISO.
My only gripe with the ninja is that it is too easy to toggle the frame rates. I accidentally went to 29.97 for a couple shots and they were ruined so I had to use the backup avchd.
how much is that to rent?
AAE Channel it was 500 with the c100 and ninja blade w/ solid state drive for a weekend
ok so the camera and the Atmos... not bad
the c100 was only $330
sure! Were are shooting for a release on August 26th!
Hey Ryan, I purchased a Panasonic AF100 2 years ago and while it's a great (practical) camera, it doesn't quite get the image quality I want. This is mostly because of the AVCHD. I was trying to decide if I should just buy a GH4, but I really love the built in ND filters, full camera body, XLR jacks, etc. Do you think I should get a new camera or purchase the Ninja Blade instead? Great video as always and thanks to anyone that gives any suggestions. :)
Get the gh4 for now ;)
Definetly the GH4 or the Sony A7! (both 4k cameras) the Gh4 is pretty cheap too! i would head down to Phillip Blooms channel and watch the GH4 review he does! goes into full depth, that will help you decide weather or not to get it! and if you do get it, i will be one jealous film maker ;)
Depends on your needs as a filmmaker. The GH4 is a great camera in a DSLR form factor with some really incredible tools like native ProRes recording and 4K, with some of the limitations common to DSLR's. The AF100 is likewise a useful camera, with features like XLR inputs, inbuilt ND's and HD-SDI out. If you're a run and gun shooter, a DSLR might suit you better, but the AF100 certainly has a more "professional" look around it - and clients DO care about that surprisingly.
Comes down to your needs and your budget. If you're not ready or able to part with you AF100 just yet - and there's certainly no rush if you don't NEED the 4K features yet - then an external recorder like the Ninja Blade will breathe new life into your footage and give you MOST of the GH4's feature set (other than 4K) for a third of the price.
It would be really awesome if you guys also showed the difference with using the ninja and a lower end dslr to see what the difference is then, since the c100 holds up so well already. Btw thanks for the review guys :)
You guys have an amazing way of keeping us wathing the ads and enjoying it as much as the rest of the video!
I just picked up one for my C100 and I've noticed a really bad lag. It feels like 10 frames or something to me. Any thoughts on how to fix/work-around this? Thanks! Love your videos!
With no Canon equivalent to the GH4 on the immediate horizon do you think this would be a viable route for people with 550d (T2i) series cameras? I see that Magic Lantern offers a clean HDMI out. Would it even work?
Yes and no, you have to be somewhat careful with DSLR's and Magic Lantern. I got an external recorder for use with my 7D, and while magic lantern does allow a clean HDMI out, it crops the footage to a 3:2 aspect ratio, which means you have to scale it in post, losing further image quality. Make sure you research it before you decide on any purchase.
I still think the 550d is an awesome camera and think it's got bags of ability but I'm thinking for the future. Having read Phillip Bloom's article for Digital FilmMaker Magazine on 4K and how most broadcasters still work in SD, I'm not going to panic into buying a new camera for some time but you have to think about getting ready for whatever you want to move onto eventually to keep up with the standard. I've not got ML installed on my camera and don't ever get itchy that I haven't. If Canon suddenly brought out a 900d (or something) that shot 4K in ProRes or RAW then I might start thinking harder.
Luke Nicolaou is correct. I did the same thing with my 7D and got the same results. I'm looking forward to buying a BMPC and using the Ninja 2 on that...but all and all I could have saved my money or used it towards something else.
***** The 7D is not a bad camera (I have one too), but it's time as a budget film camera is past. The Black Magic, especially with the current sale on, is a much better camera in terms of image quality. The MFT lenses are generally cheaper than canon EF lenses, but the Metabones adapter is not a bad choice if you already have some EF lenses. There are some downsides, like battery life, but really the BMPCC is designed as a film camera from the ground up, unlike the 7D.
I could see the difference in some sections but I don't think this improves quality hugely for UA-cam videos. However if you are displaying your work on a larger screen such as a TV or even cinema I think this recorder would make a huge difference. Also I didn't know about the blue channel before so I'll be sure to look out for it to see how much noise is in my image!
UA-cam's compression scheme is absolutely horrible and loses a ton of quality and colour space information, which is why it comes to such a small size. Vimeo gives you much higher quality, but at the cost of more bandwidth.
Hey Ryan! I was considering getting a Ninja Blade for my 5D Mark III a little while ago. I contacted Atomos and they said they are planning to add 2:35-1 guides in a future software update. Just thought you might like to know!
Would like your thoughts on the DP4 monitor for bmpcc?
hey dude, did u test it with canon c100 mark ii? do you find the prores from the ninja blade worth buying still if used with that camera? I am doing a lot of grading and vfx, and usually I shoot indoors. please lemme know! thanks
Well he tested it with the Mark i, so I'd imagine it would still be worth it on the Mk ii.
Can you shoot 4K with the recorder and the c100?
can you do an episode about the vecter scope, luminit parade, RGB, peaking, ... just more in detail and how to use it, because i still don't know how to use it all
that flag option can be a lifesaver for editing in post when it comes to features and shorts
What do you guys think would be the best camera to use in order to maximize the Ninja Blades features. Is the C100 #1?
Was thinking about getting a monitor but getting both a monitor and a recorder in one sounds like a great solution.
Not sure if someone has asked this yet - didn't see the answer in the comments section. But what denoiser plug-in do you use? The results looked great!
Will you be able to do camera roundup for gear under a Grand? That would be great for us slightly less well off, and what with technology moving on so quickly, it would be great to see what's available for that sort of money. I'm sure the camera companies would love for you to test them!
2:23, "my c100 only outputs in 8-bit" I thought in your last video, you want to use the recorder to output in a higher bit rate to make color grading more easier? or is it the output of prores or DNxR that makes the color grading easier?
You are saying that it would work great with DSLR's! Isn't it true that the Canon 60d etc. only output 480p over HDMI??? So what's the workaround, Magic Lantern?
So if you record 422 10 bit on the blade is that what your footage will be recorded in or is that just for viewing purposes?
Which is newer ninja blade or ninja 2? I have seen videos using both Ninja Blade and Ninja 2 which is the preferred method when using the c100 or c100 Mark II?
Hi Ryan. One big question. I need a monitor for my DSLR, no recorder. I don't know which to get... FULL HD would be nice, but this Ninja Blade is also really good. Other products would be the Small HD 501 or the Blackmagic Video Assist. What would you recommend? :)
hey Rye guy!!
In a short film Im working i need an effect where someone falls underwater but i don't want my actor to actually be underwater because of money and so i can have him breath for less breaks would i do this in post production? have it be a practical effect? Or both?
Just a opinion but I like the skits for Thursdays and things like this for Mondays, I wait all week for the Thursday episode so it's kinda a let down, although a good review.
aww he did do that Domain video :P that was pretty funny!!
Comparing it by the price would you guys pick up a Blackmagic Pocket Camera or this Ninja Blade?
@Film Riot why not use Magic Latern Raw ! many people are using this thing and it is super impressive ! the footage looks awesome and brilliant to color grade ! what are thoughts on that !
Yay! Custom Domain adds are back!
Are there controls for Audio? My DSLR cannot adjust audio input volume while recording. Having that functionality in a recorder would be a game changer.
Nice commercial! I have a confession... most of the time I skip over it.... but this time I HAD TO WATCH bc I wanted to see how the footage looked... and it was hilarious.... very sneaky ;)
Are you guys going to be looking into seeing if there are cheaper alternatives to getting 4K on the Sony a7s?
I don't get it, isn't it suposed to record 10bits once it is plugged? cause it is the same sensor than the one from the c300 and the c500
I just used the ninja blade and on a hot day i got sooo much color noise in white parts.. How can I get rid of it? The color noise in the white parts, i mean.
Is there any site/blog/magazine/individual to keep up with all the new equipment coming out? Im finding it hard to keep up the all the video equipment coming out. Any recommendations?
Twitter is a great resource
John Ward Any particular user you have in mind?
Here are a few of my favorites. Take a peak at who they follow and you can find even more people who are great sources of information.@hurlbutvisuals @vincentlaforet @KhalidMohtaseb @MNS1974 @PhilipBloom @slashfilm @DigitalDuckInc @ABAOProductions @BenjEckstein @Awakeland3D @nofilmschool @5tu @EOSHD @StoryandHeart @abelcine @FilmmakerIQ @TedHope @fstoppers @LaFamiliaFilm
Hy Ryan i have a question: is it possible to record with the ninja blade and the iphone 7 plus using the hdmi adapter and getting a 1080p output? I tried but i got only a 720p output so i dont know if its because the adapter only gets this or if the ninja blade dosent work with the i phone . Thank you very much for your answer
how big are the files compared to the in-camera files? Thanks!
I am looking to get a monitor/recorder. I am trying to decide between the new Blackmagic Video Assist or else the Atomos Ninja Blade. Anyone have any suggestions? I do like that the BM Video Assist is full 1080p.
Is atomos ninja blade (or other atomos) have some picture profile option?
hey Ryan can you show a review of something a bit more pro like a 4k recorder thanks
Can you get better audio recording through the ninja than other devices like a boom mic or h6n recorder?
At our level of VFX work, we typically use After Effects. But what do the big boys like ILM and Weta use? Is it some kind of super-expensive, high-end software that they buy or do they each come up with their own?
Industry post houses typically use software like Nuke, a node-based compositing software in a whole different league to After Effects. They will also use programs like Maya and C4D, but I know that ILM does have some of its own proprietary software.
Luke is very much correct.... NUKE is amazing.. great software.
Jaet Exel Whole different ball game to After Effects though. Similar principles, completely different workflow.
Luke Nicolaou I agree completely... I am extremely comfortable with after effects.. but upon using NUKE .. i was completely thrown off.... the user interface takes some time of getting use to..along with the organization of your project... especially if you are use to using simplistic design of drag and drop.. like after effects
I love the ad! (Never thought I'd say that sentence, haha.) I like how things gradually get "sexier", haha.
Oh, wow. I was NOT aware that you could line-in your external recorder to the Ninja Blade. Ryan, is there any way you could make a video comparing how the sound quality holds up recording audio into the Ninja vs. syncing it in post and not running the microphone through two separate sources? If the audio still holds up well, this is a must-buy for me.
Would this work with the Blackmagic pocket cam?
Of course another outrageous price for a piece of film equipment, it's too the point that you have to be near well off or rich to get these things if you are not single and livening at home. For people like m with a house, family etc its almost impossible. Oh we'll. good video Ryan!
It depends on what you're doing. This certainly falls under the category of pro gear, in the sense that the main functionality will serve people who make high quality video content for a living, and get paid to do it. It's certainly not a hobby toy, but a few pieces of gear like this can easily be paid off in a couple of paid jobs.
A big part of why I became a photographer/videographer was so that I could spend money on things like this and have them pay for themselves. You should consider doing something with your hobby as a business (even if it is just on the side) if you want to buy things like this guilt-free and with a clear revenue stream to support it.
Also look at the Atomos Nonja without the screen. Same great video capture with a lower price.
Ryan please give us a tour of your entire gear! I want to know what do you use...thanks and the show is great
Yo Ry! I'm making a short film and i wana know where do I buy it from if I can't create it? And about the credits for the music.
Nice review. I've been using this for a few months and love it. However, I am confused by the flag function xml output at 3:33. Everything I've read says it's for Apple editing only (FCPX), but I've seen an Atomos video saying it's for Apple and Adobe. But I can't find any info on how to implement it for Premiere Pro workflows. The Atomos forums come up short too. Any info on this Film Riot ?
What's your take on Magic Lantern?
Hey Ryan, the Ninja 2 recorder does record in 10 bit from the c100, but there's bugs in Premiere CC that screws up Prores. People have been getting 10 bit output but premiere can screw it up. use DNxHD to get the higher bit rate in premiere
The Blade will save a file that is 10 bit 4:2:2, but the C100 as far as I know only supports 8 bit uncompressed via HDMI.
Ah, I must've mistakenly read somewhere the c100 outputs 10 bit, but there is more headroom since you are encoding a 8 bit stream into 10 bit. Hopefully Canon will release firmware for 10 bit output. The thing about prores is still true, sadly.
Hey, Ryan and crew!
Just a quick question out of curiosity;
I know you guys have covered this damn near twelve thousand, seventy two hundred and forty three point five times already, but I'm a low budget video maker... I actually mostly do photography work relevant to cars etc.
I'm starting to do edits for cars and car events etc, and I was just curious on how I could get some nice steady shots such as slider shots or even just pans etc without having to spend much more than $30? I have a Cheap tripod that coverts to a mono-pod and I was curious if I could some how use or modify that to suffice??
Film Riot did a video on a DIY slider that would be relevant, as would the DIY shoulder mount if you're looking for some sexy camera movement, and your tripod should be sufficient for simple pans and tilts. If it can't, it's worthless, so put some money into a good tripod :)
i have to say, this is best sponsor announcement i've ever seen on youtube
Great review!
By recorder do you mean it works as a camera by itself? I'm a little confused haha thanks
Which Episode is the One with the Knock Knock joke? i can't find it
Since my camera only shoots 24mps avchd and can't be hacked (a65) this is pretty reassuring, just light the scene well
Does anyone know if the Ninja Blade would help me get better images out of my Canon 5D MkIII? I was just looking for a monitor, but ran into this, because I thought it was just a monitor, lol.
So i was watching zombieland and i saw an effect in the behind the scenes when the zombie was running down the aisle and gets hit in the head with a bat yes you have done this before but when you watch it in the bhs they did it with half of a bat and then in post put it on there some how and i would like to know how to do that. Thanks
What are some alternatives to this that are a bit cheaper?
What is the difference between a monitor and recorder?
Are there anything like this that is compatible with the Canon rebel t5i?
Hey Ryan, I am not much of a Camera/Editing guy. I am more inclined towards the Writing and acting part of the films. Is that enough to be a maker? Or do I absolutely have to learn it.
Cheers. :P
The beauty of film making is that it is a collaboration between dozens of different people with different skill sets. Find people with similar interests and tastes in film making with different skills or passions to yours and work together as a team. You write and act, work with someone else to direct, DP and edit it together :D
Tnx Luke.. Its just that Ryan talks so much about how to do various effects and its difficulty levels... I feel my ignorance is someday gonna come back to bite me in the ass :P...& I should just give up on my dreams of making anything :( This helps dude!!
Kuunal Deshmukh NO. Never, NEVER give up on your dreams, you won't be good at everything, or even a lot of things, no one person can be. That is why film crews are made up of HUNDREDS of people, each with different abilities and talents. Search your local city for Facebook groups for film makers, actors, script writers, the lot. I guarantee you will find people to work with. Additionally, film school is a GREAT way to make contacts, learn a solid foundation of all the skills and help to hone the abilities you want to perfect. Just NEVER give up.
So all i gonna do is hook both the h4n recorder and camera to the recorder and off I go for perfect sound!
I guess with the C100 MkII the Ninja 2 is good enough since the camera monitor is much better and now has waveform?
2:20 " of course my c100 onky records in 8 bit so I am stuck with that." If your stuck with it than what is the purpose of using a recorder?
Wait, is the ninja blade an attachment or a camera itself? I'm lost...
Usc or Nyu (Film) ?
That was screen recorded from Windows, not the Macbook.
can I use the recorder to record in 60fps?
Have you noticed how Film Riot Replies to like...every comment? That's super classy. Respect guys. Respect. You da best.
I dont know what all the fantablous buttons do in after effects mr ry ry.
Where can i learn the things
videocopilot.net is a fantastic resource for tutorials on After Effects. It's where a lot of UA-cam VFX artists go for information.
Lynda.com has some good courses for AE, as stated above, Video copilot.net is great for tutorials for basics at from video copilot check out www.videocopilot.net/basic/. Also, Adobe has great resources at Adobe TVm for cs6 try tv.adobe.com/show/learn-after-effects-cs6/ for Adobe After effects CC try tv.adobe.com/show/learn-after-effects-cc/. A youtube channel called Mt. Mograph has some excellent motion graphics tutorial, try his first basic ones.If you're not a visual learner, here is 400 page book from adobe - www.adobemarketplace.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=978-0-321-92960-0&click=281&Google&gclid=CMGi7t2w378CFSxk7AodsCgA3A Here are some more tutorials from Adobe helpx.adobe.com/after-effects.html. Another site, AE tuts plus is great! Ive done many tutorial from them, I think they are called something different now, but here is the link, this page has some of their 3d and motion graphic tutorials cgi.tutsplus.com. Search youtube tutorials or After effects basics and you'll learn a lot too. If you have questions, google is your best friend, then forums. Always try and find the solution yourself, you'll learn so much more than having the answer spoon fed to you when you run into a wall when learning. After effects may seem crazy at first, but once you can understand how it works, you'll be making some awesome stuff. Good luck my friend!
The adobe website and user manual.
ah ok thank you
Just bought a C100 in 2019!
Ryan, do you think it's important to study classic films?
I'm not Ryan, but yes. Definitely study classic films.
I played with that atomos but i buy a blackmagic Cinema Pocket Cam :)
We have the pocket and always record to our atmos ninja 2 - great combo. These recorders save so much money for recording space. No need for sd cards at all :)
I'm sorry, but if you have to zoom in that much and switch to the blue channel to see a difference, then you probably don't need the extra data this device gives you.
Dat Ad tho... XD
Ryan I am a little confused as to why you chose the C100 over the gh4. I mean, if you can do 8-bit 4:2:0 4K internally (which in post can be converted to 10-bit 4:4:4 Full HD). I know, low light an ergonomics are just out of the question for the gh4 but honestly you seem to have enough lights and rigging equipment to overcome both of those issues.
I would agree with you but the C100 is in fact made for video unlike the GH4, which may have OUTSTANDING video capabilities, but it is still in fact a dslr, issues like rolling shutter, audio capabilities etc, keep it from being as good as the C100.(If you are rich like Ryan and can afford it)
Check out my C100 review episode, I give all my reasons there. But long story short, I needed a proper video production camera for Film Riot. GH4 is awesome, but all dslr/mirrorless cams are made for still photography first, video second. The issues that come with that make Film Riot on a deadline more difficult. The GH4 looks amazing though! However, you can't truly convert 8-bit 4:2:0 to 10-bit 4:4:4. If the info isn't there in the original, there's no bringing it back. I mean technically you can convert it to that, but it wont make the original image better.
I was just kidding , guess sarcasm doesnt translate well over da internet, either way great to see Ryan active in the comments as always!
You can't up-convert 8 bit 4:2:0 in any meaningful capacity, just like converting 96kbps MP3's to 320kbps won't improve their quality. Like any camera, you get the camera you need for your style or line of work. As Ryan mentioned, the GH4 is a great camera, but it's still a DSLR which may or may not be the form factor you desire. On top of that, a 4K workflow is time-consuming and expensive, and for a lot of people, completely unnecessary. That leaves it with internal ProRes recording as a primary advantage over the C100, something that the Ninja Blade helps to remedy.
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Hey Ryan Im a huge fan and im a young filmaker thank you for inspiring me to make my own films. :)
Would you test Blakmagic Pocket Cinema Camera? Have you got one? Many people may be happy about it! ;)
I chose this part cuz of the "lines" u can see all the lines coming to gether and making a "bush"
well said :D :D
Holy shit, that sponsor ad was incredible hahaha. What a sexy beast.
So that Ninja is the actual recorder too? So you would take the memory from the Ninja instead of the camera?
Correct, although it's typically good practice to save both, in the event that one or the other becomes corrupted or lost for whatever reason.
Anyone know how old ryan is? Just wondering.
Nice review!! Thank you very much!!! You answered almost all my questions about the Ninja Blade. Yeah, I'm saving my penny's!
Is there any way to extract 4K raw out the c100II?
Unfortunately, no. And it's a damn sad thing since the C100MkII uses the same friggin' 4K sensor as the C300. But, think about it. If the C100 provided RAW 4K at an SDI or HDMI output, and you could couple that with an external recorder, Canon will have shot themselves in the foot for 5 grand.
Can one use prores even on Adobe?
I've never liked the look of AVCHD, especially on lower end cameras it really messes up the look of the footage and makes it harder to import and watch on Windows. MP4s and MOVs might be big but it's always the way I go.
MP4's are generally the container in which H264 or MPEG codecs are wrapped in, and they're just as bad for aquisition as AVCHD, if not worse, but decent for UA-cam export. MOV is generally the better container as you said, with a ProRes or DNxHD codec, as they're better quality and easier to work with.
hey ryan can you show us how you did the sexy titleness you had for josh's scene
also where did josh get that wig lol
Awesome vid you really do inspire me
Oh c'mon! No Bloopers?! No Bloopers? Are you guys telling me you did that ad and didn't laugh or make one absurd comment? Not one?!
I'm sorry. :(
God damn, I guess they are to good for bloopers :D
That was one of the sexiest commercials ever produced …EVAR!
Love this show
Is the camera so important? I think the editing software you used is more important. To bad it cost alot
Well, without a camera, you have nothing to edit ;) All in all, the editing software is more or less the same, it's how you use it that effects the outcome. But the camera most certainly has an impact across production and post production for a variety of reasons.
Thanx the for film trivia Rya Guy, Just make Sure once you reach Pandora you don't forget to shoot Film Riot!
Tip: Keep your pony tale away from Josh's Pony tale :P
I totally Have That Shirt! Just Had to Mention That. Lol!
LMAO! That Domain ad >.
Do I need a recorder for shooting film?
Are you talking about actual film stock or just film-making in general? You don't NEED this for film-making, although it certainly helps, but I very much doubt it would work with film stock, since this requires a digital signal via HDMI, something that a film camera doesn't output :P
Film riot. Can u work on electrical ablities ? My friends and I would really like to see that in action
The Connolly Family always reminds me of the Westboro Baptist Church.