Food Theory: Wait... Coffee is a SOUP?!

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  • Опубліковано 13 тра 2022
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    We found the answer to the age-old question of "Is a hotdog a sandwich?". Now it is time to make another set of people REALLY angry at me. The coffee people to be precise. What question are we answering today? Well, you read the title but for those of you who may have skipped over it - here you go! Is COFFEE actually a SOUP?
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  • @ThatCybertChannel
    @ThatCybertChannel 2 роки тому +27931

    I don't normally comment, but I needed you all to know my disappointment in this episode. -Head Editor Dan

    • @TGOPoma
      @TGOPoma 2 роки тому +434

      Hey, Dan!

    • @demidemiurge1023
      @demidemiurge1023 2 роки тому +1100

      I agree. It should be a tea, not a soup.

    • @karmicgal344
      @karmicgal344 2 роки тому +707

      Sorry Head Editor Dan but your wife is _technically_ correct

    • @mistermanthe4th
      @mistermanthe4th 2 роки тому +619

      I imagine the worst part of this was knowing you'd have to edit the final verdict, whether or not it matched your opinion.

    • @cheeselord8153
      @cheeselord8153 2 роки тому +216

      @@demidemiurge1023 tea is also soup

  • @SentinalhMC
    @SentinalhMC 2 роки тому +9311

    Episode Idea: How much cheese would Cheetos need to contain to literally be dangerously cheesy

    • @fries4me10
      @fries4me10 2 роки тому +269

      This is frigging genius

    • @official-obama
      @official-obama 2 роки тому +130

      packed beyond the swarzchild radius of cheese

    • @farhansaber9330
      @farhansaber9330 2 роки тому +61

      This is really good I want to see this as a video lmfaooo

    • @thtotaku
      @thtotaku 2 роки тому +35

      i mean, if you have cheese powder that's off, it's gonna be a small amount.

    • @deebo429__
      @deebo429__ 2 роки тому +20

      Oh wow, a good UA-cam comment recommendation? I never expected this.

  • @trish87563
    @trish87563 Рік тому +681

    I'd actually contend that coffee is not a fruit-seed soup, but rather a fruit-seed stock, because you filter out the thing that you boiled to make the drink. In soups, you still have solids left behind in the finished product, even if they're pureed, but in coffee, you filter the solids out.

  • @TheAdvertisement
    @TheAdvertisement Рік тому +420

    1:07 "DON'T SAY THAT!" already I can tell this is going to be a great episode.

    • @prince32YT
      @prince32YT Рік тому +1

      Ik! It was tho tbh

    • @msk-qp6fn
      @msk-qp6fn 10 місяців тому +1

      Coffee is bean powder infusion

  • @CHEFPKR
    @CHEFPKR 2 роки тому +2450

    The brain storm call at the start is so good. I love seeing the ideation process.

    • @user-rv7wm9fx8k
      @user-rv7wm9fx8k 2 роки тому +3

      MatPat is a brain burner!(Правдивое видео):.
      ua-cam.com/video/eMvZPV5acww/v-deo.html

    • @user-rv7wm9fx8k
      @user-rv7wm9fx8k 2 роки тому +3

      Ж

    • @user-ex5zk5cd9j
      @user-ex5zk5cd9j 2 роки тому +2

      Z

    • @enigma479
      @enigma479 2 роки тому +8

      Im surprised I haven’t seen any lyrhero references lol

    • @krisj5561
      @krisj5561 2 роки тому +3

      It is obviously fake...

  • @grumpychat9417
    @grumpychat9417 Рік тому +4124

    "Amy's chugging her bean broth right now"
    "DONT SAY THAT!"
    best moment ever

  • @littykitty040
    @littykitty040 Рік тому +86

    Cooler: "Let me tell you a secret, coffee is just bean soup"

    • @Rockman9830
      @Rockman9830 Рік тому +11

      Stop!

    • @MusicalLugia
      @MusicalLugia Рік тому +18

      @@Rockman9830 "They hated Cooler beacuse he told the truth!"

    • @Casandraelf
      @Casandraelf Рік тому

      right??

    • @thefalcon5204
      @thefalcon5204 Рік тому +5

      You made me go watch Lythero take your like and leave.

    • @xzaeox6397
      @xzaeox6397 10 місяців тому

      I was looking for this comment XD

  • @Simon_Electric
    @Simon_Electric 10 місяців тому +36

    MatPat you have enough resources and shows to fill an entire cable network. It's amazing how much your channel has grown over the years.

    • @raychwagner3657
      @raychwagner3657 10 годин тому

      I would honest-to-God pay a month streaming subscription if it was just these channels

  • @chrisjohnsonvan
    @chrisjohnsonvan 2 роки тому +2814

    I can't believe you totally missed that coffee is a POTION. It's brewed, it has magical properties, and if you found a vial of it in a dungeon you'd have to make a very difficult decision about whether to drink it or not.

    • @chaotixninja5
      @chaotixninja5 2 роки тому +44

      Have you been playing Ni No Kuni?

    • @raycee412
      @raycee412 2 роки тому +8

      Lol

    • @diando19
      @diando19 2 роки тому +46

      There's also the category of "herbal tea".

    • @mikhailsharon4331
      @mikhailsharon4331 2 роки тому +5

      WHAT!

    • @meepnope4389
      @meepnope4389 2 роки тому +12

      I’d choose no, but who knows that might be the death of me 💀

  • @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache
    @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache 2 роки тому +1628

    8:30
    "Don't believe everything you see on TikTok, friends."
    Don't worry matPat, I don't even believe literally anything I see on TikTok.

  • @violetadams4428
    @violetadams4428 Рік тому +101

    Dan's screams of frustration are the best parts of the episode. Lmao.

  • @michaellennerman7844
    @michaellennerman7844 Рік тому +71

    I cannot believe I just watched a video about whether or not coffee was a soup or not. AND IT MADE SENSE!!

  • @luckyanubis_
    @luckyanubis_ 2 роки тому +921

    I love how when MattPatt heard that tiktokers were making mash-potatoes out of chips, he isn’t even surprised, he just laughs & says “Of course they are”

  • @supertron6039
    @supertron6039 Рік тому +4012

    I like how Mat doesn't bother adding that this explanation automatically proves that Tea is also soup.

    • @-Foof
      @-Foof Рік тому +234

      Leaf soup.

    • @Carbon-cringe-human
      @Carbon-cringe-human Рік тому +19

      What to you mean "also"

    • @loganwolv3393
      @loganwolv3393 Рік тому +86

      @@Carbon-cringe-human It means that soup isn't just made out of well vegetable liquid extract and cofee seed extract but is also made of leaf extract wich is commonly refered as tea.

    • @acegamer9347
      @acegamer9347 Рік тому +113

      “This tea is nothing more than hot leaf juice!”

    • @bookworm0414
      @bookworm0414 Рік тому +80

      @@acegamer9347 "Uncle, that's what all tea is."

  • @shugaraddict
    @shugaraddict Рік тому +31

    Dan took this personally. Even in the call he was ready throw hands through the screen 😂

  • @artifexarts2944
    @artifexarts2944 Рік тому +11

    Watching Dan get so upset at mat calling Amy's coffee "bean broth" makes me laugh every single time

  • @ignisofficialgaming
    @ignisofficialgaming 2 роки тому +313

    As a barista, I'm more partial to the idea that it's a potion. It''s brewed and is magical because it grants the drinker the strength to go about their day

    • @monroerobbins7551
      @monroerobbins7551 Рік тому +29

      Yep, I like that more. Plus, it has side effects!

    • @littlecherryartist
      @littlecherryartist Рік тому +12

      are potions a soup?

    • @PromethealBee
      @PromethealBee Рік тому +9

      @@littlecherryartist dont- i- cannot handle it anymore 😰

    • @NotSoNormal1987
      @NotSoNormal1987 Рік тому +3

      Yeah. Magic bean water

    • @rrownn
      @rrownn Рік тому +3

      YES. It would so be a potion omg how did I never think of this!

  • @TaeRose29
    @TaeRose29 2 роки тому +445

    You know…I was expecting “Is cereal a soup” on this channel someday, but I’ve got to admit this is better.

    • @JustLetMeUseNPC
      @JustLetMeUseNPC 2 роки тому +16

      Cereal is soup. Change my mind!

    • @dungeontnt
      @dungeontnt 2 роки тому +6

      Cereal is a soup

    • @eugenekrabs141
      @eugenekrabs141 2 роки тому +6

      @@JustLetMeUseNPC soups are hot, cereal is cold, soup is boiled, cereal is not, based off mats definition it isent

    • @cislife7140
      @cislife7140 2 роки тому +8

      @@eugenekrabs141 what about those cold soups gazpacho?

    • @coachmcguirk6297
      @coachmcguirk6297 2 роки тому +3

      @@cislife7140 it's cooked and then chilled before serving.

  • @DylucahPreciado
    @DylucahPreciado Рік тому +5

    I'm more often than not impressed by the sheer quality of the science in any given episode. It's very pleasing and gets my brain started in the best way possible. The "simple" jokes you usually make are excellent and always fit, never taking away from your point you're trying to make...
    This episode made me roll out of my chair laughing so hard at, "DON'T SAY THAT" Legitimately, I was laughing so hard, the video had played to almost the midpoint before I finally got a hold of myself. I gladly restarted from where I left off...

  • @not_found4865
    @not_found4865 Рік тому +26

    Okay- but hear me out. If a tomato is a fruit, is ketchup a smoothie?

  • @notisaac6041
    @notisaac6041 2 роки тому +558

    Imagine going to Starbucks and asking, "Can I have some fruit-seed soup?"

    • @maenad1231
      @maenad1231 2 роки тому +18

      *Fruit-seed soup

    • @notisaac6041
      @notisaac6041 2 роки тому +4

      @@maenad1231 thanks bro

    • @MySongBird278
      @MySongBird278 2 роки тому +13

      "May I have a fruit-seed soup? Dark roast please, thank you :D"

    • @goldenwarrior1186
      @goldenwarrior1186 2 роки тому

      @@maenad1231 what’d it say before

    • @Igorcastrochucre
      @Igorcastrochucre 2 роки тому +7

      "Sigh, that guy made a new vídeo, didn't he?"

  • @kalebrounds7520
    @kalebrounds7520 2 роки тому +713

    So, instead of calling coffee "burnt boiled brown bean broth" like I used to, I should start calling it "scorched simmered sepia seed soup?"

    • @Blasted2Oblivion
      @Blasted2Oblivion 2 роки тому +41

      I feel like calling it "coffee" would be easier but you do you.

    • @benrompen7100
      @benrompen7100 2 роки тому +6

      It can't be sepia unless you're putting squid/cuttlefish ink into it.

    • @FuryMcpurey
      @FuryMcpurey 2 роки тому +11

      @@benrompen7100 sepia is also a color.

    • @SoggyCoffeeAddict
      @SoggyCoffeeAddict 2 роки тому +5

      Dirty soggy bean stock

    • @lacytaylor1501
      @lacytaylor1501 2 роки тому +4

      'Dirty bean water' will always be my go to.

  • @CeilingOpossum
    @CeilingOpossum Рік тому +7

    My sister and I have a road trip game where we work to identify 73 distinct soups without looking anything up by the time we arrive at our destination, ( it was inspired by an incredibly strange license plate we saw) and I’m DEFINITELY using coffee next time

  • @orientallegendcomics1316
    @orientallegendcomics1316 Рік тому +26

    Let me tell you a secret, Coffee is just bean soup!

    • @coolsteve3214
      @coolsteve3214 9 місяців тому +3

      They hated Cooler because he told the truth

    • @imao15
      @imao15 3 місяці тому +1

      EATING *BEANS* I SEE

  • @milkcrisp5586
    @milkcrisp5586 2 роки тому +574

    I already knew this because any proper food theorist already knows that everything is soup.

  • @ethanlewis5750
    @ethanlewis5750 2 роки тому +567

    as a trained cook: Coffee is closer to a broth then it is a soup. just like when making a turkey or bone soup you remove the material that gives the water its color and flavor. this is a important distinction.

    • @leeeshizzy4296
      @leeeshizzy4296 2 роки тому +30

      so ice coffee is a soup

    • @ethanlewis5750
      @ethanlewis5750 2 роки тому +13

      @@leeeshizzy4296 I can agree to that

    • @SamWulfign
      @SamWulfign 2 роки тому +18

      This is the issue I have with matt, chasing the description with this one. As a food channel should also be taking into account culinary knowledge, it would be more a broth because broth is a igredient for soup, and soup is a food of which you use ingredients to derive sustance for the body, technically you could live only on soup. But only Broth... it's hard to say, I'd say probably no, which is the same for coffee in this regard, you can't live only on coffee.
      And if that is still a issue.... could just simply call it a brew, which is boiled ingredients that is used to hydrate rather then sustain a body.

    • @LR_Bushido
      @LR_Bushido 2 роки тому +8

      Except if you add creamer and other things to it I don't think it would fall under a broth anymore

    • @SamWulfign
      @SamWulfign 2 роки тому +6

      @@LR_Bushido It still would, as broth has other ingredients that is used to make a Base, Broth/Stock is also another word for Soup Base which is basically a foundation to prepare soup. The key takeaway here is whether it is food or not.

  • @alishaaquatica
    @alishaaquatica Рік тому +9

    EATING BEANS I SEE!?!? Let me tell you a secret, Coffee is just bean soup.

  • @ryanfranco7386
    @ryanfranco7386 Рік тому +4

    I haven't watched the rest of the video, but it was neat to peak behind the scenes at game/food/film theory.

  • @paddygutowski9255
    @paddygutowski9255 2 роки тому +631

    In Poland we have "kompot". It is a beverage made from boiling fruits in water. Fruits are then removed, add sugar and you have "kompot". I think this fits your description of coffee better than soup.

    • @thelolim___ster
      @thelolim___ster 2 роки тому +20

      same in Russia

    • @kitkat25195
      @kitkat25195 2 роки тому


      Wow.
      We don’t.

    • @lonergothonline
      @lonergothonline 2 роки тому +8

      in england, its a compote, which seems like a french word to me. so compoté maybe?

    • @meercreate
      @meercreate 2 роки тому +14

      A little bit further east, and they usually leave the fruits in

    • @ahumanbeing7426
      @ahumanbeing7426 2 роки тому +6

      @@meercreate yeah and we call it komposto (or hoşaf) in turkey lol
      I didn't know it had a similar name in other countries though

  • @PoneDtheGuy
    @PoneDtheGuy 2 роки тому +478

    "Let me tell you a secret, coffee is just bean soup." - Cooler, they hated him because he told the truth

    • @kavukkii
      @kavukkii 2 роки тому +16

      You beat me to it, you heathen.

    • @NotMeCuh74
      @NotMeCuh74 2 роки тому +1

      @@user-jm6qe6sz2p 🧢🗿

    • @heartlessnobody1143
      @heartlessnobody1143 2 роки тому +7

      -Ah lythero! my favorite Voice actor!-
      Ah Zyzx_! my favorite side character!

    • @zionfultz8495
      @zionfultz8495 2 роки тому +5

      OBJECTION, it isn't bean soup it is seed soup

    • @MineCreeperLPs
      @MineCreeperLPs 2 роки тому +1

      @@heartlessnobody1143 Wrong that was Zyzx_ It was in a Lythero video.

  • @The_NW_EngineYT
    @The_NW_EngineYT 4 місяці тому +1

    You need to do more intro skits like the zoom call rather than the animated puns, that was just pure gold ❤❤

  • @Ojamamon67
    @Ojamamon67 Рік тому +2

    I cannot express the happy inside of my being when episodes like this come out lol I LOVE when you get to blows people’s minds with stuff like this or the sandwich episode or even what makes a fruit a fruit lol

  • @LokiScarletWasHere
    @LokiScarletWasHere 2 роки тому +1650

    You forgot to mention the classification of an "infusion", or what's commonly called a "tea"
    Soup is very specifically eaten, whereas the remaining broth or infusion is then drank or discarded. But that's the thing. The liquid component is often an infusion, either of meat or bone, or of an herbal source. But just as coffee isn't a puree, so to is it not a soup.

  • @rebeccamockerman6132
    @rebeccamockerman6132 Рік тому +1241

    I would love to see a crossover of this and the "the ocean is a soup" argument lol

    • @pkmnmasters2842
      @pkmnmasters2842 Рік тому +14

      Yeeeesss

    • @lathyrusloon
      @lathyrusloon Рік тому +26

      I have indeed heard people refer to the ocean as a soup.

    • @anoyint
      @anoyint Рік тому +3

      The ocean is inedible so no, not a soup.

    • @triparadox.c
      @triparadox.c Рік тому +48

      @@anoyint It is edible
      just once

    • @ianluk6385
      @ianluk6385 Рік тому +41

      @@anoyint the ocean is, technically, edible. Is it palatable? Probably not, especially if you don't prepare that seafood in some manner, but it is technically edible.

  • @alexcastellanosleon
    @alexcastellanosleon Рік тому +2

    i love the intro, please more of the pitch meetings

  • @thedudeone6133
    @thedudeone6133 Рік тому +6

    Matpat should make a new channel where he just posts behind the scenes of different videos. They could put stuff like the research, the meetings, etc.

  • @slipperywhale2486
    @slipperywhale2486 2 роки тому +302

    We recently had a discussion over the difference between sandwiches, hotdogs, tacos, cereals, soups, and salads in my AP physics class.This video is very timely.

    • @chris-p5013
      @chris-p5013 2 роки тому +3

      just took the ap physics 2 test last friday - how was urs?

    • @kthrnas
      @kthrnas 2 роки тому +2

      friend's AP physics class often has discussions over whether cereal is a soup or whether cheesecake is a pie. interesting how it's always that class that has the weirdest food debates!

  • @samg461a
    @samg461a 2 роки тому +332

    What are alternative “milks” then? Almond “milk”? Soy “milk”? Oat “milk”? Are they also soup? You grind the seeds/nuts/beans with water and then strain out the grinds to consume the broth, just like coffee. So are they also soup?

    • @majesticsnowleopard
      @majesticsnowleopard 2 роки тому +13

      Yes.

    • @benito23453
      @benito23453 2 роки тому +1

      Ж

    • @maelissakluckman2890
      @maelissakluckman2890 2 роки тому +13

      i propose coffee isnt soup its tea and i think non dairy milks are also tea

    • @Spade1350
      @Spade1350 2 роки тому +4

      Juice or smoothie depending on the milk alternative. Coffee is also definitely a tea and not a soup.

    • @wyrdvora
      @wyrdvora 2 роки тому +1

      Coffee is a milk alternative 👍

  • @La-Lloyd494
    @La-Lloyd494 7 місяців тому +2

    The "DON'T SAY THAT" kind of caught me off guard

  • @riverpubby
    @riverpubby Рік тому

    I honestly love the insight into the theory processes, i would love to see more discussion stuff like that!! (Even post episode releases!!)

  • @thegammagamer3776
    @thegammagamer3776 2 роки тому +510

    I feel like "tea" would be a more apt definition, seeing as tea is made by soaking the parts of a plant in water: "leaves, roots, etc" And some teas ARE made with the seeds of a plant rather than the more common components.
    edit: Also fruit soups generally end with those seeds still floating around, whereas coffee is filtered through the "beans" but never actually contain the seeds themselves.

    • @kyoxtohru112
      @kyoxtohru112 2 роки тому +33

      Yes and teas and coffees usually are classified together cause they both are extractions from plant products.
      Honestly the closest thing on the list given was broth, cause with the seed soups they still have the seeds in them. Either chunky or ground finely to a puree with hot liquid added to make it filling.

    • @Sam-rj2qn
      @Sam-rj2qn 2 роки тому +17

      So is coffee tea or tea a coffee?

    • @tanyacarbajal3597
      @tanyacarbajal3597 2 роки тому +17

      Yes. I expected him to cover this information and end in tea as the answer But I feel he stopped investigating and cut the video short.

    • @Merennulli
      @Merennulli 2 роки тому +21

      By the mental gymnastics of this episode, tea would either be a soup or broth in MatPat's book. I think it's safe to say the crux of this episode was choosing to ignore that it's served as a beverage under the flimsy argument that part of some soups can be drunk...specifically the broth...which he ruled out coffee being...
      Nothing wrong with it as entertainment, but this is "Sans is Ness" level theorizing.

    • @mongoose9851
      @mongoose9851 2 роки тому +20

      @@tanyacarbajal3597 Coffee is a type of tea. Tea can't be coffee because coffee only comes from coffee beans, while tea can come from an endless variety of plants.

  • @godaistudios
    @godaistudios 2 роки тому +196

    The problem with the "fruit seed soups" is that the seeds are all consumed in the examples. In that respect, it's closer to a broth than a soup. But somebody else commented and it's far more correct to a term that applies to both tea and coffee. Infusion. We are drinking an extract, which is not a soup.

    • @anothergol
      @anothergol 2 роки тому +7

      I was gonna say infusion as well, and turns out it's only half correct, it only applies to one method of making coffee, and not the most common one.

    • @jypsridic
      @jypsridic 2 роки тому +5

      The correct term is either decoction if you're classic or extraction if you're modern.

    • @professionalsleeper6281
      @professionalsleeper6281 2 роки тому +3

      A broth is a soup tho

    • @Boundless-Boredom
      @Boundless-Boredom 2 роки тому +2

      @@professionalsleeper6281 a broth alone is no soup. It is the base to a soup

    • @josephcalabro2487
      @josephcalabro2487 2 роки тому +1

      I was thinking of teas, but those only come from the Camellia sinensis plant, so I thought that coffee could be classified as a tisane or infusion like you said.

  • @ShichuAkotake
    @ShichuAkotake Рік тому

    This is my most favorite theory of all time!
    Discussions in your meeting must be so fun!

  • @actualaspienc1279
    @actualaspienc1279 Рік тому +24

    THEORY IDEA:
    Are products that contain coffee (energy shots, candy bars, other things like that) as effective as a cup of coffee? I ask because I’ve had the Kit-Kat Mocha duos and have felt the effects as one would after a cup of coffee (which is odd because caffeine doesn’t wake me up, yay ADD) so I wonder if it’s really something about the coffee that can just be put into ANYTHING and it have the same effect.

  • @phoneguy4637
    @phoneguy4637 2 роки тому +296

    botanically, a coffee fruit ("coffee cherry") is categorized as "drupe" or "stone fruit". it thus falls into the same botanical category as the cherry, mango, prune and apricot.

    • @phoneguy4637
      @phoneguy4637 2 роки тому +18

      @@megadog9305 wrong. a berry doesn't have inner seed chambers like the coffee fruit does. a berry is filled with fruit flesh in which the seeds freely "swim". the coffee fruit has as good as no fruit flesh, but rather hides two seed chambers with a pair of seeds ("stones") inside, making it a drupe. in the wild, coffee fruits often contain only one seed, having two or more is a result of modern selection and breeding. please do your homework.

    • @ARandomStan
      @ARandomStan 2 роки тому

      Have you ever heard of Jordan Schalnsky? Look him up I think you'll love him

    • @PetesGuide
      @PetesGuide 2 роки тому

      So it’s a bisque?

  • @haeherfeder0221
    @haeherfeder0221 2 роки тому +245

    Well I was expecting a cereal-soup theory but… coffe?

    • @v.crowley
      @v.crowley 2 роки тому +9

      Already discussed cereal-soup .. it's not.. because cereal doesn't involve cooking

    • @FlowerMcBoi
      @FlowerMcBoi 2 роки тому +1

      This is interesting

    • @malym9494
      @malym9494 2 роки тому +1

      Yeah

    • @malym9494
      @malym9494 2 роки тому +1

      @Zis co bot

    • @malym9494
      @malym9494 2 роки тому +3

      @@benito23453 bot

  • @darkarcmiley3388
    @darkarcmiley3388 Рік тому +2

    I love the meeting intro. Please post more of those!

  • @ricardoferns56
    @ricardoferns56 Місяць тому

    I feel like this is less of a food theory and more of a food clarification and that opening was so excellent. So well edited.

  • @rogervanaman6739
    @rogervanaman6739 2 роки тому +135

    Just to be clear, there is coffee gravy. It's called red-eye gravy. Made with coffee and (most often) ham and made primarily in the southern US.

  • @lilkeefmusic
    @lilkeefmusic 2 роки тому +22

    6:18 "I prefer the IV bags!" BRO NO I CANT IM DEAD.

  • @zoezilla3710
    @zoezilla3710 Рік тому +5

    I truly wish my 83 year old grandma lived long enough so I could argue with her about the validity of coffee being a soup it would've been good times..

    • @abha9002
      @abha9002 4 місяці тому

      Same thing with me and my Grandpa, this seems like exactly the thing we would debate about over breakfast

  • @liamtyler10
    @liamtyler10 Рік тому +3

    You guys should do an episode on the hydrating / dehydrating effects of differing caffeine content of coffee, and prove whether it hydrates you more or less than the counteracting diuretic effect.

    • @NotSoNormal1987
      @NotSoNormal1987 Рік тому

      I've gone days and weeks without anything but coffee and caffinated soda. If it was dehydrating I'd be dead by now.

  • @BobBobson
    @BobBobson 2 роки тому +116

    The problem with calling it soup is there's typically something in soup other than just flavored water. Like your example of tomato soup, it's generally pureed tomatoes with seasonings, not water that's had a tomato briefly in it.
    You know, that's a wonderful idea for an episode. You and Steph can try tomato soup made like coffee. 4 minutes of mashed tomato in some hot water that's ran through a coffee filter to take out every bit of solids.
    Coffee is not soup. Coffee is an infusion, which is an option you neglected to mention. Tea is also an infusion.

    • @FriendB
      @FriendB 2 роки тому

      Yes, exactly! I was looking for this!

    • @mmnnnnnmmnnnmnmn6067
      @mmnnnnnmmnnnmnmn6067 2 роки тому +1

      The best kind of correct

    • @heyspookyboogie644
      @heyspookyboogie644 2 роки тому +7

      That’s exactly the way I was looking at it too. I’m amazed they completely left tea out of the discussion when that’s the closest comparison to coffee. I’m still not convinced they got this one.

    • @darladay4766
      @darladay4766 2 роки тому +2

      It's a broth, which is a soup

    • @Ketharuil
      @Ketharuil 2 роки тому +1

      IT'S BROTH

  • @fabricdragon
    @fabricdragon 2 роки тому +922

    as a note: Turkish coffee DOES actually contain the ground coffee... and while you dont ingest all the sludge at the bottom of the cup, you do eat some.
    its also best seasoned with cardamom

    • @JaceArmek
      @JaceArmek 2 роки тому +6

      I'm glad someone else noticed that.

    • @eagleleft
      @eagleleft 2 роки тому +20

      so then turkish coffee is a puree?

    • @eyal01245
      @eyal01245 2 роки тому +4

      Turkish coffee is commonly referred to as "mud coffee" and i hate it

    • @gapetheapegod7976
      @gapetheapegod7976 2 роки тому +8

      @@eyal01245 Turkish coffee or it being called mud coffee

    • @Tenshi6Tantou6Rei
      @Tenshi6Tantou6Rei 2 роки тому +2

      it is a puree

  • @thekingspaceworm
    @thekingspaceworm Рік тому

    I watched the intro in .25 speed, and I just realized how much effort is put into that intro. Great job for whoever made it!

  • @MrCapybara227
    @MrCapybara227 Рік тому +1

    I love how Dan in the beginning was like don’t say that! I was laughing so hard from that

  • @bunksoup8137
    @bunksoup8137 2 роки тому +519

    Not all coffee is boiled/simmered - you’re leaving out cold-press. Isn’t coffee most similar to tea? If so, I think tea is a fundamental enough category to need no further reduction. Otherwise tea is soup too.

    • @jonathanodude6660
      @jonathanodude6660 2 роки тому +51

      nope, tea is a specific category. it always refers to leaves, and it often refers specifically to the leaves of the tea tree. youre probably thinking of an infusion which was debated in a higher comment.

    • @zhazan42
      @zhazan42 2 роки тому +30

      @@jonathanodude6660 Raspberry Hibiscus tea would like to have a word with your manager.

    • @jonathanodude6660
      @jonathanodude6660 2 роки тому +4

      @@zhazan42 “often”

    • @mr.bennett108
      @mr.bennett108 2 роки тому +11

      @@jonathanodude6660 Wrong. If you take dried mushrooms and boil them to reconstitution, the left-over liquid is called "mushroom tea." However, because the bean is roasted, not dried, it's probably more accurately classified as a "liquor" than a tea.

    • @dmark8993
      @dmark8993 2 роки тому +12

      @@zhazan42 doesn't tea have a lot of variation like herbal tea,fruit tea etc.???

  • @dunlopchop54
    @dunlopchop54 2 роки тому +288

    *Extracted "coffee juice" would actually sound like the healthiest alternative to what I have right now since they don't have to always follow the laws of carton juice*

  • @Insane_GlassesGuy
    @Insane_GlassesGuy 9 днів тому

    Gotta love the delay in the phone call before Dan get’s mad at “bean broth”

  • @regentgray762
    @regentgray762 Рік тому

    I love that you showed the meeting, I wish you did it more ;-;

  • @michaelnelson1127
    @michaelnelson1127 2 роки тому +96

    It’s official! Dan is my favorite member of Team Theorist! He is seriously hilarious, especially when it comes to ‘absurd comedy’. Not that I didn’t find him funny before this (he was my favorite part of the Tootsie Pop and Mountain Dew episodes), but the recording booth scene cemented his position as my favorite.

    • @theoutsiderjess4869
      @theoutsiderjess4869 2 роки тому +2

      He was my favorite after he took over for Mattpatt when he was sick

    • @TylerNovakYT
      @TylerNovakYT 2 роки тому

      He has his own YT channel called ThatCybertChannel

    • @michaelnelson1127
      @michaelnelson1127 2 роки тому

      @@TylerNovakYT Don’t worry; I’ve been subscribed to his channel for years.

  • @MaxRobertoErikson
    @MaxRobertoErikson 2 роки тому +79

    Regarding soup as a beverage, I actually drink tomato soup out of a mug every morning as part of my breakfast.

  • @Okzicoton
    @Okzicoton Рік тому +3

    11:02 Gotta get that Egussy Soup

  • @Songman-xj5ix
    @Songman-xj5ix Рік тому +1

    ‘Technically correct: the best kind of correct’
    How has Matpat never done a Futurama episode on Film Theory. Is Fry a secret genius? Is Planet Express Delivery Service actually profitable? So many cool ideas!

  • @TheOrigamiGenius
    @TheOrigamiGenius 2 роки тому +21

    6:07
    Dan: I appreciate the advice but I'm not gonna listen to it
    Me: Seems like something I'd say

  • @winchesters4life34
    @winchesters4life34 2 роки тому +115

    I loved that opening, seeing how theory videos are made is so interesting

  • @setheaves9608
    @setheaves9608 8 місяців тому

    I come back to this opener so many times. I don't know which is better: Dan angrily screaming "Don't say that!" or Tom and Jason just sitting quietly and enjoying the chaos

  • @speedwagon1824
    @speedwagon1824 7 місяців тому +2

    The taxonomic meaning of "bean" doesn't matter in normal speech. Coffee is bean soup, or ladybugs and bees aren't bugs.

  • @arborealmole8079
    @arborealmole8079 2 роки тому +252

    While I haven’t watched the full video yet, I do have several other questions along the lines of the title-
    Is cereal a grain salad?
    Is ketchup a jam?

    • @drewe2331
      @drewe2331 2 роки тому +14

      There's a lot more to unwrap on that ketchup question. Historically ketchups are sauces made but preserving something in vinegar. Mushroom ketchup was very popular for a long time. What we eat is tomato ketchup. What CAN be posited is that mustard is ketchup.

    • @KrepsyK
      @KrepsyK 2 роки тому

      Yes? I think?

    • @pressplayulysses
      @pressplayulysses 2 роки тому +7

      Is mayonnaise an instrument?

    • @topazlynx2228
      @topazlynx2228 2 роки тому

      Well that is a good question, is Ketchup a jam? Cause if it is that means there is a jam I like.

    • @belmontparkers
      @belmontparkers 2 роки тому +1

      Jams are just Jellies with seeds. Jams/Jellies are mashed or pureed fruits mixed with sugar and pectin/gelatin and then left to thicken into a mass of wobbly rigidity.
      Ketchup is missing the pectin/gelatin and flows... so no.

  • @Lumberjack_king
    @Lumberjack_king 2 роки тому +33

    0:09 the fact that this is a normal work conversation for them

  • @Wolffang1996Hyano
    @Wolffang1996Hyano Рік тому

    came back to rewatch the beginning of this video. It's hilarious & I love it.

  • @ihavespoken_shorts
    @ihavespoken_shorts 9 місяців тому

    "DON'T SAY THAT!"
    Golden Moment! I literally rolled off my bed, laughing.

  • @capture_diaries
    @capture_diaries 2 роки тому +378

    Since the only hiccup this theory is that the word "soup" is commonly used to describe food and not beverage, I would say coffee is a lot more similar to tea. In fact, some coffee brands even sell coffee grounds in little baggies for you to brew as you would tea. Besides, most soups typically needs to have more than 2 ingredients to be called "soup". Maybe "broth" is a much closer comparison (also, one "sips" both coffee and broth, while soup is "eaten" or "slurped"). To me though, coffee is a "fruit-seed tea". Maybe Dan is right.
    But hey, that's just a theory...A COMMENT SECTION THEORY...aaaaaaaand *click*

    • @justinwhite2725
      @justinwhite2725 2 роки тому +27

      Tea requires tea leaves. Herbal tea requires herbs.
      Coffee seeds are neither.

    • @demetrian7856
      @demetrian7856 2 роки тому +26

      Well tea can also be classified as a soup, so I don't get this point.

    • @lennaerthondelink7374
      @lennaerthondelink7374 2 роки тому +3

      Nah I be drinking my soup

    • @dinamosflams
      @dinamosflams 2 роки тому +8

      also with soup you never filter them and eat the content/ingredients that were used aswell and, as matt straight up said, people don't ever eat the paste that was used to make the coffee

    • @patax144
      @patax144 2 роки тому +9

      yeah in spanish we have this term, "agua aromatica" aromatic water, we use it when we talk about hot beverages based off fruits, and herbs, and whatever might aromatize the water, for me tea and coffee are part of that group, but because of their extra popularity they have their own label.

  • @nerdyfoxes8000
    @nerdyfoxes8000 Рік тому +1892

    Mat: "Amy's chuggin' her *bean broth* right now"
    Dan: And I took that personally.
    Edit: Wow, I just looked back at this from like 4 months ago and it has 1.3k likes. Uhm.. thanks! A lot!

    • @blockhead3585
      @blockhead3585 Рік тому +1

      im not liking because this has 696 likes

    • @nerdyfoxes8000
      @nerdyfoxes8000 Рік тому +3

      @@blockhead3585 Should've stopped at 666 likes tho. Or just 69. A shame, a shame

    • @baysingerfam4
      @baysingerfam4 Рік тому +3

      I'm going to ruin it and be the 700th like

    • @nerdyfoxes8000
      @nerdyfoxes8000 Рік тому

      @@baysingerfam4 Excellent

    • @jmurray1110
      @jmurray1110 Рік тому +1

      Let’s go to 6969

  • @animefans2420
    @animefans2420 Рік тому

    The beginning was reaaaally cool cause its cool
    Too see how they make the epesodes
    Oh and thank u all people who work on these videos
    We all love ur work keep going ❤

  • @carlchapman4053
    @carlchapman4053 Рік тому +1

    Greggs in England found a legal tax loophole because 'Hot food' has a higher tax band than 'cold food' and even cooked foods put on unheated shelves (such as bread) count as 'cold food' so they get around the rule by heating the display counter when empty, turning the heater off before opening the shop and putting the freshly baked foods in the (hot but no longer heated) display counter it stays warm without actually heating the food, so it can be sold as 'cold' at a lower tax band.

  • @r4nd0mguy99
    @r4nd0mguy99 2 роки тому +270

    “légume” is literally French for “vegetable”, so it’s weird that it’s specifically a name for beans. Coffee being a soup makes sense, but the biggest difference is the filtration. You don’t use a filter for soups.

    • @zhazan42
      @zhazan42 2 роки тому +31

      You might, especially when you're skimming raw bone broth at home through something like a cheese cloth.
      I always thought of coffee more as a type of tea!

    • @crazysasha1374
      @crazysasha1374 2 роки тому +6

      I'm pretty sure the French word for the word "legume" MatPat is using here is "légumineuse", which as you can see shares the same root-word.

    • @nienke7713
      @nienke7713 Рік тому +1

      @Marcus W
      bone BROTH, not soup

    • @nienke7713
      @nienke7713 Рік тому +2

      and if it doesn't use tea leafs it ain't tea, no matter how many people misuse it

    • @mikeallevesque18
      @mikeallevesque18 Рік тому

      Funnily enough, a legume in French is légumineuses and is plural by default.

  • @micahphilson
    @micahphilson Рік тому +975

    Infusion: "a liquid extract... prepared by steeping or soaking."
    Infuse: "to steep or soak (leaves, bark, roots, etc.) in a liquid so as to extract the soluble properties or ingredients."
    Coffee is an infusion. Not a soup.

    • @alexhutchins6161
      @alexhutchins6161 Рік тому +31

      Nice. This comment should be the number 1 putting and end to this video.

    • @reychiu2581
      @reychiu2581 Рік тому +24

      Wouldn’t it be both?

    • @alexhutchins6161
      @alexhutchins6161 Рік тому +12

      @@reychiu2581 if it is soup. Does that mean all kinds of coffee are soup

    • @alexhutchins6161
      @alexhutchins6161 Рік тому +17

      @@reychiu2581 is cold brew soup. Is instant coffee soup. If instant coffee is soup then wouldn't that mean things like Gatorade ate soup.
      While the definition of soup can work on some types of coffee. The most common one for sure. It does not include all kinds of coffee. So when 2 does work. We choose the one that works the best. And if one does not work all the time then it is not the best.

    • @alexhutchins6161
      @alexhutchins6161 Рік тому +6

      @@reychiu2581 how would you define soup to include instant coffee?

  • @aerialapexgamer3121
    @aerialapexgamer3121 Рік тому

    I want to see more of the cold open! I almost feel like you guys could have a Podcast of just discussing video ideas

  • @lebowskigaming5240
    @lebowskigaming5240 Рік тому +1

    As someone who works for a popular coffee shop, it would be great for marketing if we rebranded as a soup shack!

  • @cica517
    @cica517 2 роки тому +84

    Wouldn't it technically be tea? I mean tea would also have to be soop by this logic, but like you said soop is a word to describe food, not a beverage. But we already have a word for making hot beverages by putting in stuff for only flavor, and taking it out before consumption: tea

    • @talesoftableiii1584
      @talesoftableiii1584 2 роки тому +9

      I was thinking of this, but I think that tea technically has to be made with leaves. I could be wrong about that, but I think no. Though I will say that Infusion would work better than soup imo.

    • @TheCowboyMartyr
      @TheCowboyMartyr 2 роки тому +4

      dawg had two chances and didn’t spell it right either time lmao

    • @TroublesomeOwl
      @TroublesomeOwl 2 роки тому +5

      No .. tea is made with tea leaves. there are a lot of things that masquerade as "tea". most of the herbal teas are not really tea, but would fall under the same category as coffee does.

    • @maximelepage7664
      @maximelepage7664 2 роки тому +2

      Tea is made with tea leaves.
      Herbal tea are not tea same as coffee isn't tea.
      The 3 of them are infusion though.
      The big question that needed to be addressed in that episode is "are all infusion soups?"

    • @berryman5145
      @berryman5145 2 роки тому +3

      Like tea, coffee is an infusion, but no, I don't think coffe is tea.

  • @BlackSunCompany
    @BlackSunCompany 2 роки тому +82

    Quick point of order around the 9:28 mark - what you're considering "normal, rational" coffee is very limited in scope and not universal. There are many different ways to prepare coffee that still include the grounds in the final drink.
    Have you ever had Turkish-style coffee brewed in a cezve? Because the grounds are extremely fine and still in the pot while poured and served, the resulting brew is thicker and richer (especially with the foam, quite similar to the crema you get with espresso) than you get with drip coffee. It's closer to a puree than a soup.

    • @edim108
      @edim108 Рік тому +8

      I was about to comment that.
      There are so many ways to prepare coffee and the "normal, rational" way of running hot water through ground coffee beans in a coffee filter is a very modern invention and robs coffee of much of its flavor.
      Been to Istanbul a couple years ago and had the best cup of coffee in my life! It was so much more than that coffee bean flavored water that comes out of a filter...
      And supposedly it's good for your health bc you're actually drinking some of the ground seeds which contain a lot of minerals and vitamin.

  • @nathanaelutz4566
    @nathanaelutz4566 Рік тому

    I love that behind the scenes stuff at the beginning

  • @Thesquare0-0
    @Thesquare0-0 8 місяців тому +2

    When you think about it, the sea is soup.

  • @Ahab1765
    @Ahab1765 2 роки тому +135

    Two things:
    1.Coffee is a fruit seed liquid extract, but
    2."Intelligence is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is understanding that it doesn't belong in a fruit-salad"
    Or we could just call it a brew. Beer, tea and coffee among other various concoctions of the boil and bubble variety.

    • @M_S_Blanc
      @M_S_Blanc 2 роки тому +24

      I've always been told point 2, but I've been thinking lately...
      Tomato is botanically a fruit.
      A mango is a known fruit, and so is a pineapple. Peaches too. And Jalapeños are also botanically fruits.
      I would argue that a salsa IS a fruit salad!
      That's actually another episode idea: "Is salsa a fruit salad?"

    • @carpdog42
      @carpdog42 2 роки тому +6

      Ahh bit Charisma is being able to convince your friends that tomatoes are actually an even more traditional component of fruit salad than they are familiar with.

    • @LokiScarletWasHere
      @LokiScarletWasHere 2 роки тому +4

      Charisma is the ability to sell a tomato-based fruit salad

    • @jeandevine7835
      @jeandevine7835 2 роки тому +3

      Actually, tomatoes do belong in a fruit salad if the fruits being used are what we normally call vegetables, but they have seeds and are technically fruits. 😉😁

    • @paulblichmann2791
      @paulblichmann2791 2 роки тому +3

      Akxschually...if the tomatoes are really really ripe cherry tomatoes, it could be quite delicious.

  • @X-SPONGED
    @X-SPONGED 2 роки тому +16

    0:39
    Dan's Wife : "All Coffee are Soup !"
    Editor Dan : _"If it's Beans, IT'S A DRINK !!!"_

  • @losmidos8756
    @losmidos8756 Рік тому +1

    As a 6 year barista, this just fills me with joy. all my customers technically slurp up my seed soup. that sounds so wrong and i love it.

  • @minetomek
    @minetomek Рік тому

    I love how many references are in the intro!

  • @felipew101
    @felipew101 2 роки тому +92

    I've had "coffee fruit" before, when I lived in Indonesia, it actually tastes good, so I was a bit surprised that the "coffee juice" failed.
    Also in Indonesia, kopi tubruk, coffee made with superfine grounds, have the grounds left in the cup to settle on the bottom. I assume many other cultures do the same.

    • @Zarvain
      @Zarvain 2 роки тому +2

      In the United State's "old west" times that was how coffee would be made, just add grounds to boiled water and drink the gritty mess down. If memory serves I had a (late) uncle who insisted on doing this. I think he was just weird but to each there own, not like I am drink a brew of muddy water.

    • @anonymousse4138
      @anonymousse4138 2 роки тому +3

      Ever had turkish coffe

    • @avoidant560
      @avoidant560 2 роки тому

      Kopi luwak is good.

  • @kennethacuna9996
    @kennethacuna9996 2 роки тому +64

    Actually when I was young, 20-25 years ago. We use coffee as soup sometimes when we don't have anything else besides our rice here in the Philippines. Rice then mixed with hot coffee. It's actually good.

    • @Guevonas0
      @Guevonas0 2 роки тому +1

      Ok. Im interested. There ita a name for that dish. I use coffe for a lot of dishes. But never this way. Sounds like something i would like to try

    • @allanmasanegra9523
      @allanmasanegra9523 2 роки тому

      True! Filipino here!

  • @dancesmokesmile344
    @dancesmokesmile344 7 місяців тому +2

    Wouldn’t this depend on what country you’re in? I know some foods are classified differently in different countries because countries have different definitions of what qualifies as what, if that makes sense. Like here in Norway, it actually isn’t soup by the official definitions. Here it says the official definition of soup includes that it has to be a dish/food, while coffee and tea isn’t a dish or food by definition here. It would also has to be able to be a meal that could be served as a main dish or appetizer etc (it’s kinda hard to translate it right now, my brain isn’t braining), which coffee and tea can’t. It’s by definition not a meal here, so by the definition here, it can’t be soup. There’s dessert soups, which aren’t main dish or appetizer, but it is a meal. Coffee can be part of a meal, but isn’t a meal. Just like some countries the bread at subway by definition isn’t bread. And isn’t pizza classified as a vegetable in some places in the US? I’m so confused.
    (I haven’t slept for two days, and I’m on heavy painkillers because of string pain, so so might not make sense, sorry)

  • @Lunar_the_enby
    @Lunar_the_enby Рік тому

    spiff's chat: IS COFFEE SOUP OR TEA???? +insert arguing and calm debating+
    matpat: here you go, an answer.

  • @uosdwiSrdewoH
    @uosdwiSrdewoH Рік тому +161

    Nothing specifically to do with this episode, I just wanted to say that you can do all the kitchen segments as many times as you want. It's fun seeing the process live and having Steph in an episode is always a delight.

  • @oscarlikestea4208
    @oscarlikestea4208 2 роки тому +21

    I don’t know about you but I would love to see more team Game Theory zoom call bloopers, it’s just a really interesting concept

  • @_columnina_
    @_columnina_ 10 місяців тому +2

    0:48 who's gonna tell him slurp and drink are synonyms

  • @emmahammond9670
    @emmahammond9670 Рік тому +3

    so... would it also be a stock? stocks are made from consistently removing the foodstuffs and boiling for a long period of time, i could've just not paid enough attention to it...

  • @zwelinzima5134
    @zwelinzima5134 2 роки тому +60

    Food Theory Idea: My family and I have recently discovered that Cadbury's Dairy Milk chocolate tastes different depending on what country you buy it from. We tried it with Australian chocolate vs South African chocolate. Australian chocolate tastes like it has more sugar, while South African chocolate tastes like it has more coco. I would be interested to know why this is the case, and if it's the same in other countries.

    • @araara6388
      @araara6388 Рік тому +4

      It’s because of food regulations and where the chocolate was made

    • @zwelinzima5134
      @zwelinzima5134 Рік тому +1

      @@araara6388 Ahhhhh okay. Interesting, where did you find this, I'm curious?

    • @araara6388
      @araara6388 Рік тому

      @@zwelinzima5134 becuase of local distabutioning and i used to work at a stockware house for a food retailer in australia

    • @zwelinzima5134
      @zwelinzima5134 Рік тому

      @@araara6388 ohhhh okay, that's really cool!

  • @captainstupid1569
    @captainstupid1569 2 роки тому +45

    We need to start classifying everything as soup

    • @valterp38lover81
      @valterp38lover81 2 роки тому

      Except the ocean

    • @zionfultz8495
      @zionfultz8495 2 роки тому +1

      so you haven't joined the everything is soup group yet?

    • @datcap6289
      @datcap6289 2 роки тому

      @@valterp38lover81 the sulphureous seas is a SOUP!

  • @Henriku37
    @Henriku37 Рік тому

    I literally had a debate about this when I was in highschool. The fact I used the same point that Matt makes in the video makes me feel impowered in a whole new way that I never thought I could achieve.
    For those wondering, this debate happened in 2019 and I was the only one on the side of Coffee being a soup at the beginning of the argument. Proud to say that I was victorious in the debate. Thanks Matty for confirming my evidence.

  • @Goldcraft-nv1xy
    @Goldcraft-nv1xy 6 місяців тому +1

    Coffee = a type of protein powder
    My reasoning : both start as something, the something is turned into powder, the powder is then mixed into the water, ya have an upgraded version of water