Nick Wright: We lie about what Michael Jordan did and didn't do | THE HERD
Вставка
- Опубліковано 28 гру 2016
- Nick Wright gets really honest about Michael Jordan's greatness.
SUBSCRIBE to get all the latest content from The Herd: foxs.pt/SubscribeTHEHERD
►Watch the latest from The Herd: foxs.pt/LatestOnTheHerd
►Watch the latest from Kristine Leahy: foxs.pt/LeahyOnTheHerd
►Watch our favorites on “Best of The Herd”: foxs.pt/BestOfTheHerd
►UNDISPUTED’s UA-cam channel: foxs.pt/SubscribeUNDISPUTED
►Speak for Yourself’s UA-cam channel: foxs.pt/SubscribeSPEAKFORYOURSELF
See more from THE HERD: foxs.pt/THEHERDFoxSports
Like THE HERD on Facebook: foxs.pt/THEHERDFacebook
Follow THE HERD on Twitter: foxs.pt/THEHERDTwitter
Follow THE HERD on Instagram: foxs.pt/THEHERDInstagram
Follow Colin Cowherd on Twitter: foxs.pt/ColinCowherdTwitter
Follow Kristine Leahy on Twitter: foxs.pt/KristineLeahyTwitter
About The Herd with Colin Cowherd:
The Herd with Colin Cowherd is a three-hour sports television and radio show on FS1 and iHeartRadio. Every day, Colin will give you his authentic, unfiltered opinion on the day’s biggest sports topics, and co-host Kristine Leahy will bring you the latest breaking sports news.
Nick Wright: We lie about what Michael Jordan did and didn't do | THE HERD
• Nick Wright: We lie ab...
The Herd with Colin Cowherd:
/ colincowherd - Спорт
While I think MJ is still the goat, we do lie or conveniently forget his short comings while we highlight lebron's flaws and try to discredit him
S no pls read other comments
Nigel Cooper we don't.
What short comings do we deny? Everyone knows he didn't trust his teammates when he first came in the league because he had trust issues and they were not that good. I don't think anyone denies that Jordan couldn't get past the Celtics or the Pistons. Celtics being one of the best teams ever assembled. Jordan didn't past the Pistons until the Bulls got Scottie Pippen and he got closer to his prime. Then the Bulls won 3 straight. Jordan retires for a year and half. Comes back shows flashes of his old self. Got beat and outplayed by a better them Orlando that year. Comes back, win 3 straight titles again. Retired. Came back at 38 with the Wizards. Wasn't the same player. Would show flashes every once in awhile. Still the GOAT. Don't see where people deny his flaws. I think people are too busy forgetting Jordan's greatness. Lebron is and will go down as one of the greatest players of all time but not the GOAT.
Because MJ doesn't have Flaws in the finals
LEBRON BEAT DURANT AND WESTBROOKE,DUNCAN AND POPOVICH,THEN A 73 WIN GS TELL WHAT GREAT TEAMS THE BULLS BEAT BULLS NEVER FACED AN INTACT TEAM THAT HAD ALREADY WON A CHAMPIOSHIP
100% correct
Nothing that he said isn't true, but these are the same arguments Lebron fans have been using for a while now and they leave out a lot of context. You can't blame a 20-something year old Jordan for not being able to get past a 59 win Bucks team and the Bird-led Celtics dynasty in the first round, when Jordan didn't have another all-star caliber player alongside him, in the same way that you can't blame Lebron for losing to the Warriors and Spurs in his prime when his teammates didn't show up. And you can't look at one game (55 at the Garden) to say that Jordan was back to normal and so he shouldn't have lost to Shaq and Penny in 1995. Because anyone who actually knows basketball clearly understands that he was not back to normal- right before he retired, Jordan was averaging 41 8 and 6 in the Finals. In 1995, he was averaging less than 30 pts a game while shooting over 5% below his career average, and Nick wants to tell me Jordan was his same old self after two years of baseball? I call BS on that. People like Colin, Nick (both pro-Lebron), and Skip Bayless (anti-Lebron, pro-MJ) are so biased that things they present as "facts", while usually true, cover up a lot of the reality. And because most sports fans are pretty casual, they take their word for it without a proper understanding of basketball history
It's not Lebrons fault MJ played baseball, whether he was rusty or not the GOAT chose to do that. Also that Suns team in '93 was weak defensively. I don't think that it is overwhelmingly probable LBJ surpasses MJ like nick says, but it is definitely Possible, what if he sweeps this years warriors in the finals while dropping 35-10-10, obviously It's not likely but if something like that were to happen these last 2 years would be a major point on the LBJ side. I would say at this point he has a 30% chance of surpassing MJ depending on his jump shots consistency.
Sad Jets Fan u forgot that in 07 Lebron beat a championship pistons team to make it to the finals without a single all star on his team.
@Timo Cruz MJ playing baseball has nothing to do with Lebron- I was simply highlighting what actually happened with the rust caused by the 2-year layoff in order to counter Nick Wright's absolutely incorrect point that Jordan was the same in 1994-5 because the stats show he clearly wasn't. I think most reasonable fans agree that it's certainly possible, but definitely not "overwhelmingly probable" that Lebron surpasses MJ. Imo, however, it's really hard for Lebron to definitively surpass him- being considered his equal is more feasible. The reason is this- even if we assume that Lebron continues to rack up the volume numbers (the per game and advanced numbers will always slightly favor MJ, especially as Lebron exits his prime), and that he comes close to or ties MJ's accolades, i.e. rings, MVPs, etc, we could simply argue that it took Lebron more time to do everything that MJ did in just 13 seasons. It's the Kareem situation all over again. Kareem has more career points than Jordan, has the same number of rings and even one more MVP, but we still consider Jordan the greatest because in addition to his superior advanced metrics it took him fewer seasons to pretty much match Kareem's resume. Lebron's volume numbers may be enough for his fans to claim "GOAT", but we need to see more from him these next few years. Excited to see what happens.
Hey TheDAWinz you watch isiah production don't you?
Nick is right about 1 thing. People in general always bring up LeBron failures & omit mj's.
Son-Jay Harrison nope. We know of his failures. But we don’t ignore his greatness.
Norman Lauron capping
Norman Lauron u make no sense.
@@normanlauron4102 huh ?
@@CatoProduction Should I try it in another language?
0:45 her reaction is every Jordan fanboys reaction when you bring up the rest of his career besides when he won rings 😂😂😂😂😂
@Kenneth Erickson MJ played more than 6 years in the nba. so by that his 6 for 15. by this logic only one man is great...The Great Bill Russell..dude went 11 for 12. by this logic lets stop talking about losers like MJ, kobe, lebron Dwade, magic, larry bird, tim, and so on. if you dont at the very least have a positive %s on Season vs Rings over 50..you are a loser.
or...next before people tried to hate we can use something called a brain?
@@BrotherO4 more rings, more finals MVPs, more regular season MVPs, more DPOYs, more all defensive selections...not close
@@Slipknot5301 Rings are a team thing..again Bill Russell has 11. MJ is just a scorer and defender..lebron is a scorer, passer, and defender of all 5 spots.
mj ended up being in the top 5 all time scoring..lebron will end up being top 2 or 1 all time Scoring and top 5 all time assist.
so again, stats? does not go to MJ..kareen, lebron, wilt, kobe, and so on are better. rings? MJ has 6 meanwhile bill is laughing with 11. Career? Kareem
if you do not know how to form a basketball point dont do so, if all you can say is 6 rings than you dont know MJ the player and what makes him one of the Goats.
Bill beaten Wilt,
Lebron had to beat KD, Curry,Tim for his
Kareem had to beat prim piston/boston
MJ could never beat none of the all time Teams in his Era...he had to wait till there Era was over...than get his own Super Team while the closet thing other team had was 1 Star or 1 superstar. again....if all you can say is 6 rings than stop typing at that point.
@@BrotherO4 lebron james lost 2 as many finals than he won 3-6 , jordan perfect 6-6 in finals that ends debate., jordan defensive player of the year how many lebron won?0
@@ash1234073 jordon won how many rings when there where real teams around? 0. all came from avg teams. lebron had to face OKC, Spurs, GSW, and Super GSW. Bulls didnt face any GSW and won..they where the GSW of that era and no one was even close.
also funny how all you are left is 6-6 which is not true..jordan played more than 6 season..uhm you do know if you play a season..and dont win you lost. its not better to lose in the first round than than in the finals. also funny DPOY is what you have left...mmeanwhile lebron has everything else.
also if its by rings only...Bill Russell laughs with 11 rings. Wilt had the whole NBA making rules to stop him meanwhile the NBA made rules to make it easier for MJ.
MJ was in a league where they had illegal Defense. by MJ word about this rule being removed.. letting teams double/triple guard at anytime does not let the superstar to be efficient.
MJ had to retire two times meanwhile Bill, wilt, kobe, and lebron didnt need "Rest". Lebron/kobe had more minutes than MJ and still was playing at a higher level..lebron even more so.
so debate all you want but if its about rings MJ lost, by history book MJ lost, Defense player? MJ lost, minutes played? mj lost, dealing with non illegal defense? MJ lost
kareem says high, Kobe says high, Bill says high, lebron says high, and wilt says hello.
Acting like MJ holds some record..all that he has left is 6-6 and its not even the most..not even close.
Nick Wright vs Skip Bayless same network lets go
Andréas Remis Vegan Lifestyle yes
Skip doesn't really come with any real good backup for what he says. He just says outrageous things out of his hatred for certain players and teams.
Tre Geauxhard24/7 that's why he gets the big bucks entertainment Nick and Colin talk about LeBron every day and say nothing new
Skip is a blind Lebron hater. Not interested in his opinions.
Andréas Remis skip would eat him alive
People Still Hold That 07 Finals lost against him? They Had No chance... 2011 however there is no defence
Radius Jordan the People Who hold 07 against him are haters or retards
he took one of the worst teams ever to the finals you gotta respect that!
22 ppg on 36% FG and 20% FT with 5.8 TOs per game and letting a 24 year old TP score 25 ppg on 57% from the field and 57% from deep is AWFUL.
He took the FOURTH best defense in the league to the Finals while playing the weakest in-conference competition since the 1987 Lakers. Just stop
I think it was the worst team ever to make the finals since the merger. Fivethirtyeight did a story on that 2007 Cavs team about a year ago
***** nope. 1999 Knicks were worse according to 538. So is Larry Johnson the GOAT ?
They burnt the tapes 😂😂
My man spitting fax lol the NBA burnt the tapes 😂😂
Lol imagine taking nick wright seriously
They didnt want to show you what happend with Orlando
@@Dontresssmith3757 there is footage on youtube go look it up
@@donpapi373 he’s right tho yall jus too much in denial bc ur insecure abt lebron surpassing ur daddy
@@jacobfarley247 did I mention that mj was my favourite that you call him my daddy?🤡
I need Nick Wright and Skip Bayless to debate this once and for all once LeBron retires.
Because they both have very compelling arguments.
Jay Kelz No Skip just hates on Lebron while Nick uses Facts
That is true, Skip can be Skip and just get in the way but we all know that they debate can last about a whole show smh
all skip will say is "clutch gene, mj is the greatest ever"
Or Skip uses facts but Bron fans just don't want to hear it.
Skip correctly believes that Lebron will never be as good as Michael. He is supposed to be in the discussion with Michael but his 4 failures in finals means he will never reach MJ's level. The GOAT is MJ and Lebron is second best at best.
Nick's facts are tainted by the fact his purpose is solely to try to bring Michael down. He brings up Birds Celtics and Isiah's pistons and the fact that Michael got swept 3 straight years and forgets to mention that lebron didn't make the playoffs in his first year while Michael never failed to make the playoffs during his bulls career and only failed at Washington when he was age 38-40.
Lets not forget the fact that Lebron has never played against a team the calibre of those Celtics or pistons ever in his career or the fact Detroit made up a set of rules specifically for MJ. Lets gloss over the fact that MJ put 63 on Larry in a losing effort. Then lets gloss over the fact that Michael took the pistons down in their prime as the defending champions and continue to say that he never beat anybody in their prime.
The only thing that matters is 6/6 in the finals, 6 finals MVP's, Higher point scoring average, defensive player of the year, 10x scoring champ and an NCAA championship. MJ did this all during a period in which the league was at it's strongest period vs the powder puff league of today in which MJ's stats averages would be significantly higher.
If Nick sits across the table from Skip then skip will retire!!
1 bet 1.4 ppg will come into discussion eventually , if they sit across for long . Because that guy Skip is irritating when he talks about LBJ , some facts & he treats them as gospel as if nobody can ever change/redeem them
king ked Skip can withstand with his trolling, so it would be a battle of the ages.
skip changes the subject whenever you bring damning stats to the table.
Skip would be like any other Jordantard. "None of that matters, all that matters is what Jordan has done, it doesn't matter that he didn't get past the first round without Pippen let alone win without him." They just focus on his positives and disregard his short comings.
LilPrince Killa in my opinion playing against Larrys Celtics and magics lakers or the bad boy Pistons and not winning a series against them with no help is not a surprise. With teams like that tell me if Lebron would even make the playoffs within his first three years in the NBA.
Don't let this distract you from the fact that Lightning McQueen blew a 2 lap lead in the Piston Cup🏆
Chill. Changing tires takes to long😂
dude he literally got injured wtf
LMAOOOOOOOO he choked
That's because he wasn't driving a powder blue 72 cougar with a Cleveland engine and 4 barrel carburetor. 😆 LOL
They always mention the playoffs he won but never the ones they didnt even make🤔🤔🤔🤔
6 OF 6...
@@brendaborrero385 1-9
354gangsta Yeah funny since lebron didnt make his first 2 playoffs. They both had 50 win teams in their 4th season. In the 2nd round Lebron played a 40 win nets team while jordan played the bad boy pistons(who went to the finals)
@@patricknicholsmusic9470 You do realize that the Cavs missed the playoffs with a better record (aside from rookie years) than the Bulls did, right?
Jordan made the playoffs... with less wins... than what LeBron missed the playoffs with. You know why? Because the East was trash outside of Boston and Detroit. It's called a top heavy league. Remember the NFC West putting in a 7-9 Division Winner? Yea... like that. When your 8th seed can limp into the playoffs with 32 wins, there is something wrong. And to make it worse, retards praise Jordan like it's an accomplishment lol
@@divine02759 6-6 vs 3-6 in finals clown
All Nick does it speak facts. Everything Jordan did is looked at in the most positive light possible. Everything LeBron does is micro-analyzed and dissected and criticized to make look worse.
Like it or not at the same age, he has done more, significantly more than Jordan. Not saying he can for sure pass Jordan but he will go down too 3 conservatively probably top 2.
Only time will tell though
Age is a ridiculous comparison point between the two. Compare them at the same number of seasons as a professional. MJs 6 for 6 also is an insane achievement that elevates him. Not cracking under great scrutiny and playing great teams in the Finals is the ultimate test. I love Lebron, he is top 3-4 all time but Jordan remains on another level for now.
Patrick Harrison Jordan took years off to rest his body..Lebron at the Age of 31 has played to most minutes in NBA history
Patrick Harrison You're wrong because Jordan also had 3 years to develop in college and thus was able to come more ready to accomplish. If you wait three years after LeBron came in and compared their seasons then LeBron still comes out on top.
MJ's 6 for 6 is the most overrated stat of his career. Why? Because he lost three times in the first round. Because he never played great teams in the Finals. Nobody he played against in the NBA Finals compares to the Spurs, or thr Warriors, even the 2012 Thunder LeBron played who featured KD, Russ, Harden, Ibaka etc that absolutely ran San Antonio off the floor and almost ended the Spurs run before the Harden trade.
RondoStyle9 I agree, but right now I have 5 or 6 players ahead of him personally. MJ, Kobe, Kareem, Magic, Wilt, and Shaq.
3 years to develop? Lebron James is 14 seasons in. Take away his first 3. and his average PPG is 27.2
Which Is not "on top" of Michael Jordan with 30.9 with 11 seasons in at age 32. surely LBJ would average more points assists and rebounds At age 32? No.... They have the same amount of rings. Same amount of MVPs. The difference isn't very significant at all. But I would not say LBJ comes out on top. You can Cherry pick stats to go either way eg. MJ averages more points and steals. Lebron averages more assists and rebounds. Largely to do with the fact they also play different positions and are completely different players. Volume wise LBJ will end up with more everything than MJ because he played more games, started younger, no serious injuries. But just simply not as efficient as Michael. Rather than comparing them now look what Lebron james has to go and do in order to be the goat. By this time onwards Michael Jordan went and won 3 in a row averaged 30.4ppg/ 29.6ppg/ 28.7ppg (Lebron James will not do that. Not to mention the play off averages he set he also will not do) He also went on to average 38.1 minutes per game (another thing lebron james will not do because he complains about minutes played already) Michael also played ALL 82 games and started all of them (another thing lebron will not do because he can't) So when people actually say at 31 LBJ isn't far off MJ of course they aren't... they had accomplished around the same because they're both great players. But what makes Michael the goat is he carried on from this point on. 10 scoring titles, 6 from 6. Thats pretty unreal.
Jordan #1 , lebron #2 ... no dispute, if bron beats the Warriors this year and wins finals mvp, there is a compelling argument that they are equals. #nuffsaid , let's move on from this topic
rashawn thompson The most fair position I've seen. Totally agree. If he beats this Warriors team then we gotta take a serious look at them as equals
RondoStyle9 facts. Lebron my favorite player but I'm getting tired of this topic. Guys are just repeating the same information.
I would agree if Lebron career ended after this year, and he goes to do something else. If he sticks around he could surpass Jordan as player but never the narrative.
rashawn thompson I think if he threepeats with this cavs team I'll believe he has a chance...but I agree that it's talked about too much...I'm not ready to put him at number 1...he has to do it...Idk why people are counting out the warriors. This warriors team is still REALLY good and that series could go either way
rashawn thompson it's all suggestive boss this will never end.
He spit a lot of facts about MJ . His legacy not spotless like everybody make it out to be
6-0 never seeing a game 7. best offensive and best defensive player on the court, Never lost when he had home court advantag.
In the history of the nba only 1 player has won a title, a scoring title, mvp, fmvp, all nba first team and first team all nvba defense. he did this 4x. levels.
I know Jordan mad af nick just exposed him like that😂
What did nick say that exposed him
jordan 6-6 in finals, lebron 3-6 in finals nothing else needs to be said,
Ashley 3187 Than man1-9 without Pippen
@@ash1234073 6-0
@Brett Clayton He just went to play baseball . why would he run when he 3 peated ?? and you say he ran but came back to 3 peat again..
"Jordan has 3 first round exits and Lebron has none!!!"
MJ lost to the 59 win Bucks his rookie year when they had Defensive Player of the year guard Sidney Moncrief, and then lost to Bird's dynasty Celtics the following 2 seasons. Lebron didnt even make the playoffs until 2006 and when he did, he hit the lottery by getting a laughably weak Wizards team in the first round with no good defenders.
"When MJ left the Bulls, they went from 57 wins to 55!!!"
What Nick failed to mention is the fact that the Bulls overhauled their entire roster when MJ left to play baseball and brought in 40ppg worth of scoring to replace him. Year 2 of MJ in baseball, the Bulls were 34-31 before MJ came back and when he did, they finished the season 12-3. And we all know what happened the following year. 72-10, all time greatest team. 55 wins to 72 is pretty impactful if you ask me.
It's amazing what adding a little context can do to someone's argument, huh Nick?
Well obviously, now add a little more context into the Lebron argument and it will go on and on...
"Lebron didnt even make the playoffs until 2006"
Was 2005 season, but yes technically in 2006. However there is a similar argument to be made against Jordan. Many people disregard that Lebron has already been to more finals than Jordan. Because Lebron lost 4 of them, many people disregard them as meaningless when in fact he has already, at this point, been to one more finals than Jordan did in his entire career and four more than Jordan had at 31.
When Lebron is done he could have easily been to 10 finals appreances, that is four more than Jordan managed, regardless if he won or not. And I know the argument that he is in a weak east is there, but that is outside his control, fact is fact and it is something that is being glazed over by almost everyone commenting on this matchup.
Stop copying and pasting this garbage you MGay stan
***** Had MJ not retired mid prime and then again after 98, he would have at least 2 more finals appearances, maybe another MVP, his stats would be unparalleled and this wouldnt even be a conversation.
Oh LeBron came into the league as an 18 year old, compare to mj who came in after his junior year and being coached by arguably the greatest teacher of basketball in Dean Smith. The cavs improved every year LeBron was there, despite enormous pressure and expectations never before experienced by any athlete , not even Jordan.
Everybody brings up Michael Jordan's first round exits but they never acknowledge that he was facing Larry bird and the Celtics and
Lebron was facing the Washington wizards led by Gilbert arenas
Rudy Montana ok he never lost in the first round Magic Johnson never lost in a semifinal what's the point ?
The point is people knock Lebron because he's lost in the finals while Michael has never lost in the finals. Michael being undefeated in the finals shouldn't be an argument for Michael because he couldn't even get to the finals as many times as Lebron already has. The fact that he lost so many times in the first round takes the lore away from that 6-0 finals stat
syaredic1 the reason why he didn't get to the finals cause he ain't the luxury of having a super team & a weak conference like Lebron did.
trevion sewell Youre crazy. NOBODY brings up MJs first round exits. All you hear is 6 for 6.
bringing up competition is whack. it's the NBA. playoffs at that.anybody liable to get beat. can't blame LeBron for being so dominate since he touched the league from high school
MJ 1-9 in playoff series without SaveMe Pippen
He still lost with Pippen in the playoffs 🤷🏿♂️
@@qbrees30339 lebron still losses with wade and bosh
@@qbrees30339 with love and kyrie
Tim Phillips how many team Lebron had to go to and win and lose me stayed on the same team
Amirthatgoat30 All w no ls Don’t sit here and act like Jordan didn’t have an all time great coach? He had a great front office too. Come on man.
I couldn't have said it better myself the haters are never consistent
Regarding the 2007 Finals, most people rightfully give Lebron a pass for getting swept by Spurs, with multiple hall of famers, and Lebron was young with a weaker squad.
If you give Lebron a pass for that in the finals then you have to give MJ a pass for being swept in the first round by the Celtics, with multiple hall of famers, and MJ was young with a weaker squad. MJ couldn’t help that the elite teams were in his conference rather than the west like it was for Lebron.
Gotta keep it “consistent” 😂
Also MJ never lost a series where his team was ranked higher seed or the favorite to win. I believe Lebron missed the finals after having a team be the #1 seed two or three times 👀
Consistently hating
@@therant7411 MJ teams were obviously better than Lebron’s teams. Without Lebron his teams crumble without Jordan his teams do just fine.
@@cheyheyway6244
When Lebron left the heat you do know they won 37 games the following season, right?
That’s with…
Whiteside missing 34 games
Goran Drogic missing 56 games
Chris Bosh missing 38 games
DWade missing 20 games
The heat were riddled with injuries and were 2 games from making the playoffs without Lebron. It’s revisionist history to say all his teams just suck when he leaves.
And the second CLE team was players he wanted lmboooo. He told them he was not staying unless they traded Wiggins for Kevin Love, he told CLE that they need to give Tristan Thompson and JR smith the brinks truck or he’s out, he told CLE to trade veteran leaders/winners (d wade, d Rose, crowder etc) mid season without giving them a chance to work for young un proven puppies.
Lebron has been controlling his teams rosters since leaving CLE the first time he left and only has 4 rings? I can’t imagine the greatest basketball player ever controlling his teams destiny and win the finals so few times 😅
@@therant7411 When Lebron left the Cavs they went from solid contenders to having the biggest record drop off in NBA history.When Lebron left the Heat they went from A Finals team to not making the playoffs and that’s a fact. Your injury excuses are lame af every team gets fatigue and injury after years of grinding it part of the game. When Jordan left the bulls they won 55 games. When Lebron left the Cavs the second time they went from a finals team to the worst in the league. Jordan’s team had virtually no record difference.
There are levels to this Lebron in himself is a force that carries his teams to success. He does so much more for his teams than Jordan. Jordan was just apart of a great system with the GOAT coach and a top 5 player in the league helping him out of every series.
What happened when Jordan got whopped by an inexperienced expansion team in the playoffs? He got two stars added to his team making a super team.
Lebron is the Greatest Basketball player of all time. He is the best in the most skillful era. He also was more efficient than Jordan and a bigger factor to his team’s success.
he literally has the best argument for lebron haters
Jesse Ordono no he doesn't he didn't put no context with it none
He just picks and chooses
He didnt mention that lebron didnt even make the playoffs in his early years
Also doesn't mention that LeBron is 7-1 in Eastern finals versus MJ's 6-2.
MJ was on a Bulls' team that went 30-52 and still made the playoffs. The teams weren't as good as you think they were.
Nick wright thinks Lebron provides rain for the earth.
Lebron could average a triple double for the rest of his career and win ten rings, people will still have reason why MJ is the best in their eyes.
No they won't he just isn't better deal with it.
Black Petunia he is. deal with it
***** at literally only passing
Black Petunia and everything else
***** good job upvoting you own comment
" The NBA burned🔥🔥🔥the 📼📼📼." Get'em Nick 💪💪😅
jordan 6-6 lebron 3-6 in finals.
Ashley 3187 it’s a team sport not individual head to head match ups lol. It’s hard finding the footage when Jordan got beat in 95 and don’t say he was rusty
Go check the tapes search them up you literally believe everything nick says as if it’s true
@@donpapi373 Exactly
@@donpapi373 the point is it's not officially released. Any footage of it's terrible quality of some vhs tape.
Good argument but can we all just agree that they’re both all time greats. Jordan was the best in the 90s and LeBron was the best in the 2010s
Fr it seems like that you’re a causal if you appreciate both of them
Nick wright the 🐐
Thot Quin no you just 2 years old
TheSwagIsBack ..nah you just made bro
TheSwagIsBack lol
I wanted to comment first but I'll pass
Was that a pun?
TheKnowledgeSeeker the fact that he has a lebron profile pic and he pass up the chance to be first
Nick looks like he’s about to give a very emotional speech in the thumbnail
I still have MJ as #1, but Nick is right about how this discussion goes. Also, the idea the Bulls would have won 8 straight is beyond ludicrous. If you want to say they'd have made different moves while he was away if he had been there, that's fine. But then they wouldn't have been in position to make the moves (like bringing in Rodman) that they made when he returned. You can't have it both ways. If you think they would have built the team to win in '94 an '95, you have to accept that would have had significant consequences for their ability to rebuild the team for '96-'98. Not to mention, both 3peats burnt the team out by themselves, but they were going to keep it going for 8 straight years? Please.
you still have MJ at 1 even after 20 years after he retired?
ignorant Jordan fans will say Nick riding Bron. Great argument
How about this then? Wright talks about how Jordan was eliminated in the first round his first three years but fails to mention that Lebron didn't even MAKE the playoffs his first two seasons. Then in his 3rd season beat a barely over 500 Wizards squad to get eliminated by Detroit in the 2nd round. Wow. The Bulls were eliminated in the first round by three teams (Bucks in '85, Celtics in '86 and '87) that would take that PIstons squad to school.
HenDaRula it's not a great argument. he said Jordan beat the pistons because they got old. their main players weren't even 30 so how is that old? what hurt the pistons and helped the Bulls was the pistons lost key bench players to expansion teams and the league added the flagrant or technical foul rule so the pistons couldn't play dirty anymore.
@@SuperSparrow45 ok and how about you mention that Jordan made the playoffs in his 2nd year with a 30 - 52 record while lebron couldn't make it with a 42- 40 record. talk how extremely weak that era must've been to make it with 30 wins.
It's no comparison jordan is the GOAT
i will take jordan's 6-6 over lebron 3-6 in finals every single time how's that for ignorant clown
i hate how everyone treats jordan like he's a God or something untouchable... Kobe was just as good as MJ in parts of his career lebron is on the road of the greatest basketball player ever.
Rayzajw because MJ is a god
MJ elevated basketball to a global game. He is one of the great sportspeople of all time in any sport. Kobe isnt close Im sorry, go to europe, go to asia and youll see everyone holds Jordan at the top.
lol read my comment you idiot i said kobe in parts was just as good... and lebron is on the road to greatness. im just saying MJ is not a Basketball God and if he played in this era he would of been hated more than Lebron is now plus if he was a god he would of won against the magic. I've been watching basketball ever since i can since 01 okay so yeah i might be a tad biased.
gerizzyYMcrew kobe isn't a joke. but i thought the 2010 finals was pretty good by kobe but i see where you're coming from. cheers bro.
Rayzajw yea but every team he goes to a team has to be built around him what if ray Allen never signed with the heat what love or smith never came to the cavs his team's make not the other way because if it wasn't for Kyrie and Ray LeBron would be 1-6 not 3-4 Jordan actually hit the big shot for his team
thank you somebody fianally said it about jordan thank you thank you for the love of god yes hes right colin
IKR
He is wrong.
the Pistons were around the same age as MJ in 91. Lebron didn't make the playoffs in his first two years in the league. MJ didn't have any help versus the Celtics.
Just the facts
@@shanecurtis1974 what facts? Isiah and Dennis Rodman is one year older than MJ. Mark Aguirre is two years older than MJ. Dumars is one year younger than MJ. Salley is two years younger than MJ. MJ didn't have any help against the Celtics. That was his 2nd and 3rd year in the league. As I said, Lebron didn't even make the playoffs in his first two years in the league.
Exactly shaq & penny were giving them buckets in 95 🔥🏀🔥🏀🔥💪
What's interesting is Jordan was back for only 15 games. He came back the next year , played a full year & Orlando was better at 60 wins & welp...swept in 4!!! & Shaq headed out to LA (thank God)
This story might have carried more weight if he had not came back the way he did & ran off another 3!
Swept them in 96
N what happened the next 3 years after
Bilal Ali he came back the next year with a completely different team
Bilal Ali so you should gonna leave out the fact they the bulls upgraded the team. This is the point Nick was making, ppl omit when discussing anything unfavorable with MJ
This is true just like we lie about what Joe Montana did and didn't do. He had 3 straight first round exits in the prime of his career, but we all overlook that and say he's 4-0 in superbowls
nobody wins every year bro. and football is way different than a 7 game series in basketball
David Carr My point is people try to point out the imperfections in the players today and try to paint players from other era's as untouchable. They aren't.
Nate Zeller eh. Jordan's actual legacy is pretty untouchable 6 for 6 in finals. His last shot ever for the Bulls was a finals game winner. 5 mvps defensive player of the year 6 finals Mvps had a longer triple double streak than Russ Westbrook and avg 38 his third year in the league. Just like we look at lebrons numbers we gotta look at accolades. Also Lebron just has played longer. Jordan won 6 titles and 5 Mvps in the time it's taken Lebron to win 3 championships b
David Carr It's not untouchable and you are proving my point. I bet you are under 20 years old
Nate Zeller No one lies about Jordans History . Him failing against greater teams in his early years it what makes him GREAT! That why people love his game . Lebron had to leave in order to win .. those are facts ! Instead of playing against wade he decided to play with Wade
MJ is the greatest shooting guard ever and Lebron is the greatest small forward ever. U cant really compare them because their styles are different. MJ is a deadlier offensive player and Lebron is a better all around player. To say MJ is better, u have to be specific. He is better in what way? U just cant say he's better than Lebron when Lebron is a better rebounder and passer, and a more versatile defender also. Lebron can guard D-Rose and then in another series bang in the paint with big David West and Hibbert and snatch 17 rebounds against that front court.
Tunes342 I respect your opinion but Lebron can't guard West but on occasion and it was probably in transition. Years past Lebron couldn't guard 4/5 too big plus they actually had post moves. We call that mouse in the house. It's ok to say but in reality 1/3 he can guard for extended stretches. Really go back look I've never seen Lebron guard Kobe willingly but you have seen Kobe guard Lebron willingly it's just a different mind state that they have.
"..and a more versatile defender also."
I'm curious what makes you say that. Jordan has 9 all-defensive first teams and a DPOY award while Lebron has 5 all-defensive first teams and no DPOY. Not that it's all about accolade when it comes to defense (cough Kobe cough), I really don't see how you can call Lebron a more versatile defender. If anything I'd say Jordan has the edge in that category.
Gregory Lee I think he means that lebron is capable of guarding positions 1-5 which Jordan wasn't known for. Plus lebron has a few more years to get that DPOY, at least give him the time.
Lebron being the greatest small forward is up for debate, I would still choose Bird, I've seen Lebron quit on his team, since when are the people who are considered the best quitters, Jim Brown, Jerry Rice, Wayne Gretzky. When Lebron fails he quits, now that he is winning its all good and some people, aka (Tunes342) love him, but true sports people see right though it. Comparing lebron to mike is funny, people will try anything these days.
Tunes342 Larry Bird is the greatest SF ever
LeBron is the Brady of the NBA. No matter what they do to prove themselves as the GOAT'S, fans will still say Montana and Jordan are better because of their perfect records in championships
He's Peyton, choker with pretty stats. Brady is MJ - clutch personified
Thorfinn lmao good comparison and even tho I dislike Peyton I don't think either are chokers. Brady cheating 3 too many times so I can't put him with jordan
Brady will never be the goat cause he's a cheater
I hate Brady once he took his 5th he is the G.O.A.T and I'm from the Montana era... I'm a Giants fan before... L.T and company got there first one.
Baller_Eli naw that’s entirely correct sir. They give MJ & Montana the goat title b/c their degree of difficulty , the Undefeated status on the big stage & the overall total body of work
When Jordan left the bulls that’s when Pippen went into his prime
everytime people point flaws in jordan, you can point 2 flaws in lebron. For instance, Lebron couldn't beat the celtics till pierce kd and allen were around 34.
LongJohn Silverthorne the Celtics big 3 was in their 30s when they became a team so this is irrelevant they. were just really team
LongJohn Silverthorne because he had no team with him
Are you talking about the 56 win Celtics team or some old team that shouldn't have been in the playoffs? Because I'm confused there, seeing as they were still regarded as the team to beat even when their stars were "old"
Lol when LeBron finally beat the Big 3, the Celtics were the defending eastern champions and were a game away from being the defending champs , so don't try to minimize the accomplishment
LeBron quit against the Celtics in 2010, put up 22, 15, & 27 games 4-6 after getting up 2-1. Lebron had the worst choke job of all time in 2011 and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron was upstaged in 2014 finals, games 3-5 Kawhi was the best player on floor and it wasn't close, which was a big reason MIA lost by a finals RECORD margin. These are some nasty stains on his resume and Nick Wright is trying to tear down MJ to make them look comparable.
People tend to remember guy's accomplishments years after they retire, not their shortcomings. I think in 20 years we're gonna look at the careers of guys like Lebron and Kobe a lot more favorably than we do now and recognize how great they were.
Harry Garris nope. Kobe is already out of. E discussion. Lebron will be too. These guys aren't as good as Jordan and never will be.
Why people always brought those two comments :
1) MJ would have won 8 rings in a row?
Chicago Bulls lost Horace Grant to the Orlando Magic. Who Chicago had in 1995 to stop Shaquille O'Neal & Horace Grant? Nobody.
And Jordan committed two clutch turnovers in the elimination game in 1995 versus Orlando.
Once again, Jerry Reinsdorf signed Rodman in 1996. They beat Orlando. No Rodman's rebounding or defensive anchor, no ring.
2) MJ never missed the playoffs. LeBron James wasn't on the race his first two years...
Chicago Bulls made the playoffs with those records :
* 38-44 in 1985;
* 30-52 in 1986.
The East wasn't as stacked as people want you to believe.
Dave Toussaint
Ppl don't like truth
Kingkai Sauce
People never love thruth.
The fans were acting the same way back in the 1980s.
"Jordan would'nt survived back in the days"... Bla bla bla.
"WILT WOULD destroyed him"
We're seeing the same phenomenon 30 years later. We haven't changed from the last 30 years!
Dave Toussaint
IkR...
It's like saying Curry isn't that great of a shooter, you'd have to be
A. A Hater
Or
B. Don't watch basketball
Truth is truth..
I would say Lbj is either = or Greater..
Mj wouldn't won that much with out Sottie or Rod, facts..
Lbj wouldn't won that much with out others showing up and playing great too.
Such a WEAK argument, as if the Bulls wouldn't have made any moves, like saying the Warriors would never beat the Cavs if they didnt get Durant, as if that is the only move they could have made.
Tony Roca
Rewatch the 1996 series versus Orlando and Seattle.
When MJ and the Bulls had a bad shooting night. Who was there to collect the offensive rebounds? Dennis Rodman.
He had many games in those two series where he had at least 8 offensive rebounds.
Versus Seattle, Rodman gathered 6.8 offensive rebounds per game from game 1 to 6!
Shaquille O'Neal shot only 38% when guarded by Rodman.
So, yes. Without Rodman, no ring in 1996.
That's not an argument, that's a fact enforced by Reinsdorf & Phil Jackson.
You won as a team. Jordan never got out of the first round without a solid cast around him. That's normal. It's 5 vs 5!
To those of you who are saying that the Bulls swept the Magic in the ECF the following year are discrediting the fact that the Bulls acquired Ron Harper, a tall point guard and elite defender to help MJ and Scottie guard Penny and also acquired Dennis Rodman to help out with guarding Shaq.
Even though they lost to the Magic in 95 with Harper..... cool story bro
finally a media guy said what I've been saying for years. It's not Jordan hate to point these things out, it's being more complete in his narrative and more objective
Greg Thomas It's arguing with no context.
complete foolishness if u even argue LeBron is in the same league as mj ur ignorant of the game. Jordan never melted n the finals and against way tougher defenses that truly roughed u up. LeBron will never get another ring. he's lost more finals than he's won. he's not an assassin like Mike or kobe. he's a great player who will always be top five at best only
Do you think Nick Wright is right about Michael Jordan?
Colin Cowherd yep. No one ever talk about MJ losses
I don't see LBJ even getting to six titles. Maybe he'll be a more successful regular season player than Jordan in points. LBJ has half the titles as Jordan. Way to early for goat debates
@Colin
1. Thank you for the best sport discussion show! You have the best people in the studio and I like the tone of the discussions.
I agree 100% with Nick. My only critics is that 99% of what he said was first spoken by Shannon on "Undesputed" would have been nice if he gave credit to Shannon for that.
But I agree and its important that good analysts as Nick start spread that Lebron is at same level as MJ.
For be ... a hard core MJ fan, I have to say that LBJ is even better than MJ! In a teamsport the main skill I value is if a player make the other fellow player better or not!
I also value stars that give credit to fellow players! LBJ do it but MJ rarely did it.
Not really- a lot of his statements need to be put in context. Sure, Jordan lost in the first round 3 times, but he lost before his prime to a 59-win Bucks team and Bird's celtics without another star on the Bulls roster. Zero chance of winning those series. And about Nick's point regarding Jordan not being able to beat the Magic in 95, it's disingenuous to say that Jordan was officially back. That year, his scoring was way below what we had last seen in 1993, and he was shooting horribly from the field, going from a consistent 50+ percent to low 40s. Completely unfair to say that Jordan was back on the basis of one 55-point game. In the same way that Lebron should not deserve blame for losing in 2007, 2014, and 2015, since there wasn't much of a chance that he could realistically win those series, Nick needs to put Michael's early failures and that 1995 loss into context. Otherwise he's feeding us misleading information.
No comparison Lebron plays in a horrible east! Without Kyrie and Ray Allen what would we be saying about that legacy.. Nick is obsessed with Lebron
I remember when Jordan came into the league. The knock against him was he couldn't get by Bird, which was absolutely right. Jordan benefited from league expansion that put 6 New teams in the league in the1990s. Good, but no Wilt,Magic, Dr. J, or several others I would put in front of him.
Yeah why would people forgot about how good Magic, Bird, Wilt are? Wilt even said it in front of MJ when they are taking about who is the best and most dominate, Wilt told MJ that the NBA changed the rules so he can't dominate while the NBA changed rules so MJ can dominate, you know what MJ's response is? nothing, Nada, Zip cause its true and he knows he will not hold a candle to Wilt if they clash.
@@jabe9672 Bro Michael Jordan was literally in the league for three years during Boston's prime and the Bulls were already better than the Celtics by his 4th year. Lebron didnt even make the playoffs his first two years. Stop the BS
@@tony16harris Bruh MJ never won against prime Celtics hahaha
@@tony16harris Jordan NEVER beat the prime bird Celtics OR the prime Lakers team
I think many people just worship Jordan because he is the best marketed athlete ever. Indoctrination is a powerful thing.
theproperenglishman FACTSSS
Nope. Check the body of work and the rings... the marketing is a by-product of winning my friend.
davibaby2012 rings is a team effort. So that won't count, unless his teammates were terrible, which isn't true.
people just respects his Crazy competitiveness even playing at 40years old. i will consider lebron as great as him when i see him play at 38, schooling the new generation.
Dre H winning "won't count"??? And, rings are a team effort but Finals MVP'S are not.
1) MJ had a better team than LBJ ever did. In fact, MJ had a better team than any other player not named Magic or Bird. Scottie Pippen was a better playmaker and the greatest perimeter defender in NBA history. Horace Grant was an elite defender. MJ's team had the best team in NBA for many years and he beat terrible Finals opposition. Dennis Rodman is the greatest rebounder in NBA history and also an elite defender. So MJ had the greatest rebounder on his team and two of the greatest defenders in NBA history and he beat:
Weak Lakers team that was way past their prime. Definitely not showtime Lakers.
Weak Sonics team.. C'mon, Shawn Kemp and GP?
Great Jazz team but they clearly weren't better than the Bulls.
Good Phoenix Suns team but all they had was Charles Barkley.
None were all-time legendary teams. When you talk about the greatest teams in NBA history, none of those Finals teams match up. LeBron faced two-all time great NBA teams. Jordan faced zero opposition -- which is why his Finals record is so great.
2) Some guy mentioned that the Bulls overhauled their roster.. What does that have to do with ANYTHING? Every team would do the same if their best player left.. the fact is, Bulls replicated nearly the same amount of wins by replacing Jordan with scorers. By that logic, you're telling me Jordan is replaceable? Because last I checked, Cleveland and Miami tried replacing LeBron and how did that turn out? Cleveland went from the best league record to the 2nd worst and lost the most amount of games in the four seasons LeBron left. Miami went from the best team in the East by far, to a team that hasn't made the playoffs since and now, looks like a lottery team.
3) LeBron has achieved more by age 32 than Jordan has. He will surpass Jordan in every statistical category and we all know LeBron deserved just as many MVP's as Jordan did. As for rings, time will tell but Jordan never had to deal with a Warriors squad that will be wrecking havoc for years to come. That's why if LeBron wins one or two more rings, I would say he has equaled or surpassed Jordan. Btw, LeBron has an opportunity to become the greatest scorer in points in NBA history. This is from someone who has NEVER made scoring a priority but only because he had to become a scorer due to his teams not having the capacity to do so.
4) Why is it people forget that MJ went seven seasons and only won one playoff game but we call him the undisputed GOAT because he somehow began winning when his teammates became better? The fallacy of Jordan's greatness is overstated. He was a loser before Pippen came and that's the fact. NBA had to propel Jordan's legacy because large corporations were involved such as Gatorade and Nike. NBA had a brand to protect and that brand was Jordan.
5) Stop arguing about how tough defense was back then. No, not every game ended in a fight and there were MORE foul calls back then than there is now. Go look it up if you don't believe it. Not to mention that although they did foul harder, that didn't mean the defense was better. The game today is more sophisticated than ever because the floor is spaced much farther and thus, defense and offense involve more schemes and plays. Don't forget that zone defense has made it more difficult for NBA superstars to score and attack the paint. Jordan benefited from the 1v1 coverage that prevented defenders from leaving their man on defense. The help always came too late because they were NOT allowed to prey on a single player. Nowadays, you can leave your man wide open and triple team a player from any point of the game.
I'm not debating that MJ isn't the GOAT. He is. But to say no other player can surpass him is laughable. LeBron James is the second greatest player today and has the greatest opportunity to surpass Jordan.
KAJ was great but won one ring until Magic came along. He never carried a team the way LeBron had to.
Magic was great but he relied on KAJ and his amazing stacked team as well. Which is why since KAJ retired, Magic never won another ring. Much of his game relied on KAJ's presence.
Bird was great but he also had terrible playoff performances -- which is why he wasn't the Finals MVP for one of those Finals. He had playoff seasons where if social media was alive and well back then, then Bird would be labeled a choker. People kept saying Bird is clutch but only because of a few shots. Wanna take a look at his overall playoff record? It wasn't impressive. Plus, he had a short career.
Kobe? Sorry, but he wasn't the best player on his team for three of those rings and I find it difficult to believe that no other superstar of that time (AI, Vince Carter, T-Mac) wouldn't have won with Shaq.
The point is, LeBron James is coming for the GOAT and you best believe, another ring will solidify his place as an All-Time NBA GOAT #1.
Ocean Spray Bill Russell has 11 rings so what's your point no matter if LeBron James gets another ring or not he'll never be better than Michael Jordan this era is weak compared to when Jordan played that's the only reason why LeBron James made it to 6 straight finals and besides Michael Jordan never left the Bull's to win a championship unlike LeBron James
Played for Cleveland 2003-10 played in the 06-07 finals lost to the Spurs left to go too Miami as a free agent.
Miami Heat 2010-14 played in 4 finals and won half of those finals left as free agent once again and resigned with
Cleveland 2014-present lead them to the finals the last 2 years and won one of them.
No matter how tough it got for Jordan he stayed with the bulls until he got him some help and won 6 rings Michael Jordan done way more than LeBron James it will never be another player like Michael Jordan pbp.
Ocean Spray very well said
Ocean Spray LeBron had to go to another superstar's team to win championships. Two superstars and he still lost 2 Finals. His legacy is forever tarnished because of that. He'll never. be better than MJ. Sorry.
InfiniteZero417 His legacy isn't tarnished at all. if MJ had seen comp like the spurs he would've lost too. MJ also had a hof'er in pippen an elite defender in Grant a all star pg in Armstrong and a hof Coach. plus he played and won in the nba's weakest era.
Some of the points you statded are true, Lebrons body of work (career) might end superior than MJ's but the reality is that Jordan is much more talented, it's quicker, with that first step, his leaping ability, his fadeaway, his defense, steals, he is a real clutch performer, unlike Lebron (although the last year he played clutch), MJ's moves are far superior and is much more fun to watch.
Also, I've been watching Lebron's games, and almost no one defend's him, when he wants to drive, the defenders let him go so easy or just make the foul on purpose, and when someone defends Lebron he struggles a lot, nowhere near the scoring ability of Jordan.
Another point is that Lebron's path to the finals in the eastern conference is much more easy than Jordan's, the only good rival he has had was the Boston Celtics with the big three, but all out of their primes. Obviously if Garnett, Pierce and Allen played in their primes they would have won like 5 championships.
In conclusion, Lebron might end with a great career, even better than Jordan's, (although I don't think he is gonna win another 3 rings, and in totals he will surpass Jordan but no in averages), but MJ is still the GOAT just because he is the better basketball player, please watch the videos!!!
Most easily triggered fans: Jordan's and Lebron's
Markers Kobe and Curry
Matt the Backwards One People blast curry fans nonstop, never seen a triggered curry fan though.
Jay Tran Idk what rock you've looked under. I see them everywhere, whining about how the NBA is rigged
+Shan Lo na 1on 1 Kobe goat
Kobe's and Jordan's fans are the easiest to Trigger...especially Kobe fans who witness the last 8 years of his career and never seen a minute of Jordan play.
Chamberlain is best basketball player ever........ Do your research
🤦🤦🤦yea ummm no
He isn't. He wouldn't have dropped those stats in todays era
Period
My boy had the best thing to say about Jordan’s career. It’s like cake mix, you don’t gotta add nothing to it to make it better. When people try to change the narrative of his story it actually hurts his story.
I want to respect women when they talk sports but they make it so hard sometimes.
I love how he says Jordan beat the Pistons when they got old. When did Lebron beat the Celtics? When KG, Allen, and Pierce got old as well.
Vince Luoh lol they won the ship the year b4 had almost the same team and got swept I guess the magic got old from 95 to 96 kus he did the same to them
None of those teams won any chips either... Hmmm
Well.. Not AFTER they got old anyways so to speak
Vince Luoh I think we can all agree if you though lebron beating the celtics was amazing then your a joke lol and besides the MAIN reason he finally
Won against them was because he had bosh and wade , but yea no ones saying that was a major accomplishment lol they were the favors
Wehere323 exactly
Wow this is fax
Nick Wright is as good at stating facts as you are at spelling.
alpha omega no excuses homie. If they would've won you would've been talking hella noise. Stop it! Baseball shape.. Smh
alpha omega cut it out again... The only reason they won was because they went out and got Rodman. Facts!
Same logic applies to LeBron, who has failed to win 5 times already, and he hasn't retired and come back to a sport after not playing it for nearly 2 seasons (game or practice).
ndleinahaystack they didn't just get Rodman, but Kukoc and Kerr also became much more efficient players by moving to the bench. Kukoc was third on the team in scoring and won sixth man of the year and Steve Kerr could move from starting PF to bench SG
Fact fact fact! Love it. Most TV analysts nowadays are so biased, it’s disgusting.
Including Nick Wrong
Bruh, Nick Wright is one of the most INSANELY biased "analysts" on TV today for sports. Dude goes out of his way to constantly move the goalposts to glorify LeBron's accomplishments, while downplaying Jordan's. He's a massive hypocrite.
@@SuperSparrow45 Where do you put Skip Baseless. 😂
Dont agree with lebron ever being better. But agree with the exaggeration that we have of MJ
Tod Wilkinson You probably havent seen my other post where i was ranting about the eastern conference back in the day actually competed, and now its just a bunch of lousy teams so where ever lebron goes they will slide right through to the finals every year. Jordan had to fight through the east then beat some other stronghold in the west.
"The golden age"???? Seriously? Which teams were golden? The Knicks? Pacers? Utah? Ho back and look at those rosters, they were horrible. There were too many teams added in a short period of time and the league was watered down. None of those teams back then had multiple super stars other than Utah, and the rest of their roster were below average role players. He played one team, the Magic, who had more than one legitimate super star and a supporting cast. He was 1 and 1 against them in the playoffs. I know Jordan fans don't like to remember him being stripped by Anderson and costing them the game, but it happened.
Joseph Johnroe
Oh you mean the year he came back HALF WAY IN THE SEASON from a 2 year layoff from NOT playing basketball? You Jordan haters sure like to not talk about that...like how you clowns don't talk bout how Lebron had to join 2 top 10 players and Ray Allen to try to win and still lost in the finals. Ya sure don't talk bout this WATER DOWN LEAGUE LeBron is playing where you can't play defense...here's another one...LeBron went 7 games without any fouls being called on him....NBA for the oast 14 years has been a WATERED DOWN LEAGUE.
Joseph Johnroe
Knicks had 2-3 HOF ers, Utah had another 3 HOFs, Sonic's had another 2 HOFrs...I can keep going the amount of HOF Jordan played and didn't let win ANY titles. How many HOFrs are in Knicks now? How about toronto? How about Celtics? Mavs, warriors, Spurs wouldn't even see a game 7 vs the Bulls for Jordan would of beat them in 6games or less. LeBron? LMFAO LeBron is the P.Manning of the NBa CHOCKING and a Losing record in the title games
Joseph Johnroe
Knicks had Ewing, Oakly, Mason, Starks those alone in today's NBA would be the best 4 starting of all NBA right now and I hate the Knicks lol
When LBJ career Is done he will be goat Enjoy the next 5-7 years Jordan fans
MJ had a perfect team!!.. People don't want to embrace that fact. MJ would not be winning in Lebron's place because he did not do it in his own career in similar circumstance..MJ won when he had a GREAT TEAM!!!
LeBron has had more talent on his teams than Jordan
@@AD-eq4kn i would pick jordan's team over lebron's team ..
@@AD-eq4kn mj never took a team like lebrons 07 cavs to a finals , plain and simple. Jordan got bounced in the first round with those kind of rosters, or didn’t make the playoffs at all.
Out of all the teams jordan faced while winning championships, the only team he faced that was good was the Orlando Magic led by Shaq and Penny Hardaway and he lost. Imagine what the San Antonio Spurs led by coach Pop and the warriors would have done to him.
Utkarsh Dave Sahni I didn’t know that the 60+ win Jazz with MVP Malone and Stockton, the 64 win Sonics with Payton, Kemp, Schrempf, and Hawkins, and teams led by MVP Magic, MVP Barkley, Clyde Drexler, and 2 time defending champion pistons weren’t good
Pop would have shut him and his iso ball down. In this era he would be like a less skilled Harden getting shut down by 6'8 wings like the Klaw or Paul George or even a large ball handlers like Ben Simmons in the playoffs.
100% correct. Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time, and probably will be even when Lebron retires. But they hype him up way too much to be greater than he actually is. He's the greatest player, but he is not perfect
Boogie Cousins #MakeNBAFairAgain I'm not so sure. The problem is that the media has been trying to create the next Jordan since before he even retired from the bulls. So they've kept comparing players to him. Think about it. Grant Hill, Kobe, Lebron, etc. I don't think he's overrated as much as other NBA legends are underrated. The top 5 players of all time were just so far above the competition that it's crazy. Lebron will be underrated in the next 20 years by people who never saw him play.
VeliThaDon best answer I've heard yet.
they did same to lebron hen eh came into the nba
Boogie Cousins #MakeNBAFairAgain I agree but every record is made to be broken. Jordan is like the Bruce Lee of basketball because ppl think there is absolutely no one else on earth that can do what they did and do it better n I'm a die hard Jordan fan for life
Henry Street - jordan is the greatest because of how he got his stats, sure he had pippen who was a great team player but he wasn't a closer like how jordan was. jordan won 6 rings in style with his amazing offensive techniques that players til this day are trying to mimic. jordan at 38 scored 50. he was all finesse and always put on a show with his flashy moves, I was always entertained. lebron does not have that in him. there may be another player out there to surpass jordan but it's not lebron
PREACH!!!
Russell, Wilt & Kareem hold the records for basketball. MJ holds the record for shoe brand.
I think Nick is fried in the thumbnail 🤣🤣
where is the rest of this
I will give Lebron this, he's made an impact of a similar scale to MJ and I am pretty sure it was hard for anyone to think that anyone could match that once Jordan had his 2nd retirement. I was definitely not happy to see Curry win unanimous MVP because I think everyone can agree with me that Lebron could literally go to any team in the NBA and not only get that team immediately to the playoffs, but at least a Conference Finals playoff appearance as well over Curry. In other words, Lebron is more an MVP than Curry because (1) If Lebron got hurt, the Cavs would clearly be more hurt by his injury than if the Warriors lost Curry, (2) Lebron can literally play every position in basketball at an All-Star level (granted Curry's size prevents him from doing that), and (3) Lebron has dealt with higher expectations than anyone else in the NBA because he had all eyes on him from Day 1 in the NBA and it's safe to say he's lived up to those high expectations. In summary, I don't think Lebron will ever surpass Jordan, but I do think Lebron will make the most compelling argument for that than anyone else in NBA history once his career is said and done.
Joseph Harris Lebron got robbed of unanimous MVP in 2013 when that one person gave a vote to Carmelo. Lebron was absolutely dominant that year.
And the only reason why he wouldn’t pass MJ has nothing to do with basketball in general but everything MJ is burnt in people minds and they will not let it go!! Ever!!
her face a tha end lmao
Completely agree, nobody ever talks about anything negative when it comes to Jordan.... but so quick to name everything negative about Lebron !
Get this man on First Take please
Nick Wright is top dog for calling out what we ALL know about these Jordan sycophants.
Sabelo Masemola he isnt
Sabelo Masemola , how old are you? You must of not watched Jordan back in the day or your 18years old
alex adajar typically weak argument from a Jordan sycophant. I guess you're gonna make the argument that viewing Jordan on VHS is so much more different than watching a Jordan game on UA-cam. We watch footage bruh. Come up with something better.
Sabelo Masemola Yup.
Sabelo Masemola Dude Nick Wright is a die hard bias LeBron fan, PERIOD. He has the 3 characteristics to prove it, He questions Jordan's greatness but still admits that he's the best player of all time, doesn't state how WEAK the eastern conference is now compared to when Jordan played, and to lastly he HATES Steph Curry.........nuff said
Thank you. I always try to make those points. This dude's on point.
MJ stans Dont like to hear the facts nick was cookin 💥💥💥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Straight FAX.
Facts
Thank you Nick
Good point..
Nick Wright is totally wrong. Jordan dominated. This is not a debate.
Erik Hopkins compared to the players lebron has gone up against. Like come on mjs competition was not even close
+&1 How old are you? competition wasn't very good, y'all goofy fr
+Lîght's Øût It's Øvér *you
There are so many lies about Jordan
Jordan 1-9 In playoffs with out pippen
So for all the people that say Pippen only won because of Jordan
Well ?
Trader Help 101 l
Lebron James 0 titles without another superstar teammate.
Aaron9 dude shut up. It’s summer vacation
He also never jumped to stacked up super teams did he?
Man watching this right now is gold lol
I agree with him 100%....how can u argue facts
with more facts of course
I wanted to hear kristine had to say
Who is surpassing Wilt? Russell?
Nobody.
Nick is so much more respectful to Jordan fans than Jordan fans are towards anyone who disagrees with them.
You don’t believe that do you
jordan played a better generation than bron..they weren't as athletic but bb iq and team ball was better.everyone is about a brand and their stats
When the elite teams and players where around in 80s bulls did nothing till they got old and washed up. Look at the teams he played against in finals would you call those teams elite?
NBK Academy wrong, it was just all jordan that's why
NBK Academy I'd say they were elite, elite enough to get to the finals
They clown Lebron for leaving Cleveland.... Aint that the same as getting your enemy to come and play for you. (Rodman&Jordan)
Joe 7374
Lebron left to play with wade with whom at one point was on par with him.
Im ILLmatic Wade was NEVER put under the same pressure as Lebron. That's FACT. 2. Who is blamed for 2011 loss despite it only being his FIRST year there? Lebron. If he witnessed Buss and West give kobe "decent help" (Gasol) only to witness his own organization do the latter (Jamison) then he had ALL RIGHTS to do what he did.
Joe 7374
Don't blame him at all for what he did. Just don't score under 10 points in the finals and try claim you are in the same place as other greats.
Wade in 06 finals is the closest to Jordan you will get.
Go look at that 06 Miami roster it is pathetic outside of Shaq who didn't even avg a block per game in the finals and was third at 13ppg behind freaking Antoine washed up walker. and a healthy wade won with that.
Not to mention they could have made back to back finals run of wade was healthy and Shaq was somewhat there.
LeBron in 2011 has no excuse. If he played like they way he did against the Warriors the first time he lost against them it would be understandable but to go out not even gunning come on.
That's why Jordan and AI and Westbrook get over hyped love cause they go crazy Tryna win even if they skunk it up. But to fold? Smh
Dumbest comment award.
Joe 7374 excuses
This is an extremely unique look on things
Nick also forgets that the 93-94 Bulls team also added the third greatest player to ever come out of Europe.
Lebron is playing in the worst conference and has been his whole career. It's easy for him to make the finals. Jordan had it way harder in the east. Teams were way better than they are now in the east. Come on now.
Mars 1184 besides and old bad boys.... Who did the east have then? And when magic was in his prime who did he play in the west?
Mars 1184 yeah that's why he never lost a final because he had the better team every time , the only time lebron had the better team was against the thunder in 2012
Mars 1184 ppl will dissect lebron and ignore what Jordan did and didn't do. And how he was always the favorite! In every finals he was in.
Mars 1184 mj's bulls had losing records and still made the playoffs. lebrons old cavs had winning records and didnt make the playoffs. besides the past 3 seasons, how has the eastern conference been weak? statistically the east was much weaker when mj played
Mars 1184 it's so easy because he's so good
I hate these debates
Nobody better
Every player is great in his own era
Im_Trash yeah right. Today players can’t touch anyone on defense and the league is watered down.
Built Electric Fitness.. nah Jordans better
Im_Trash DRUGS
Yeah that's what the average all stars say lol
Built Electric Fitness Jordan is better you're right these debates are pointless
Spot on!!
I Love Nick Wright!!!
It's sad to see a show only promoting one player and dissing the rest
Right! Jordansexuals discredit everybody to boost their drunken deity.
Jordan early in his career,before winning championships:28ppg as a rookie while making all nba 2nd team.2nd year breaks foot and comes back to push the Bulls in the playoffs losing to the '86 Celtics,who were 67-15,dropping 63 in a playoff game.3rd year averages 37ppg,all nba 1st yeam,4th year averages 35ppg and leads the league in steals averaging 3spg,all nba 1st team,league mvp,defensive player of the year.5th year plays point guard and averages 32,8 and 8 and almost 3spg,all nba 1st team.6th year averaged 33ppg,lead the league in steals,all nba 1st team.So in his first six years Jordan was a league mvp,defensive player of the year,5x scoring champion,2x steals leader,4x all nba 1st team,3x all defensive 1st team.But according to Nick Wright he wasn't on his way to being the GOAT🤔😂
Rick Scorsese thank u for throwing a bunch of numbers at us
Devin Pettit Numbers and accomplishments are all that you can leave behind for a generation that never saw you play.
that means nothing!
Demian Malcher Why not?It was all compiled in his first 6 years.People really don't believe Jordan was as good as they've heard😂😂😂
With all those numbers he still Lost..Lebron 1st & 2nd no play-offs because you can make the play-offs with a loosing record unlike michael. 3rd year play-offs 4rth year reach finals vs the greatest PF ever.
Never in my life have I heard truer words
Back here in 2024 and it’s finally coming out
Lebron can't pass Jordan fam let it go
Ruler of Worlds why?
Ruler of Worlds Thankyou at least someone has common sense and knows the truth
I think Lebron will win 2 more at most. Hopefully he gets another MVP. 5 mvp and 5 championships will put him up there. Especially knowing his numbers are better than Jordan's
Jesus Bggg his regular season numbers are not better than Jordan's, and never will be if he keep coasting in the regular season, his playoff number are on par right now and will only get better
Emmy_10 Lebron all-round game is way better than Jordan. Lebron way better passer & rebounder. Defense I would take Lebron. Scoring is the only thing Jordan has over bron but Lebron career average is 27.
defense i would take Jordan in some cases they are both pretty even when it comes to defense
Through first 13 seasons of their careers...
Lebron - 38,478 minutes, 26,887 points, 1,657 steals and 773 blocks... MJ - 35,887 minutes, 29,277 points, 2,306 steals and 828 blocks
Don't underestimate MJ defensively.
OfficialRelyseMusic true but you also have to consider the way people play the game now.. way more shooting and this is harder to block than drives
He said it all! Jordan is great but it's no longer his court! If you don't Know to show love you will not at any back!
When are they gonna talk about each conference in which they played in?
They both played In the East lamooo
FACTS .... respect....
This Nick Wright guy is awesome. he spits straight facts. We should get this guy on First Take to debate with Skip and Max. or on Undisputed to put LeBron's biggest hater Skip bayless in his place.
He doesn't use any context on these "Facts" though skewing the narrative in LeBron favor because he is biased
Nick Wright is one of the biggest morons on the planet. And the fact that you actually believe the tripe that comes out of his donut masher immediately invalidates any argument you can possibly make.
The End Is Near him and stephan a would be scrapping over jordan comments
All facts.
Just let both be great.
no it's not. nick got a lot of his information wrong.
@@imsljr420 he left out alot & he lied. Those Pistons hadn't even hit 30 yet as far as thier 3 all-stars. And then he chooses not to acknowledge the teams that had better records with hall of fame coaches like Pat Riley & an Orlando Magic team who on paper had a double digit starting 5 , younger , won 60 games & got swept by them in thier 30s fresh off a finals appearance. So much more too
D' Niko but lets not act like they both didnt have bad moments in their career. Both obv top 2 of all time anyways