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  • @nigelcooper7886
    @nigelcooper7886 7 років тому +1506

    While I think MJ is still the goat, we do lie or conveniently forget his short comings while we highlight lebron's flaws and try to discredit him

    • @TheSwagIsBack
      @TheSwagIsBack 7 років тому +1

      S no pls read other comments

    • @TheSwagIsBack
      @TheSwagIsBack 7 років тому +9

      Nigel Cooper we don't.

    • @uria2001
      @uria2001 7 років тому +34

      What short comings do we deny? Everyone knows he didn't trust his teammates when he first came in the league because he had trust issues and they were not that good. I don't think anyone denies that Jordan couldn't get past the Celtics or the Pistons. Celtics being one of the best teams ever assembled. Jordan didn't past the Pistons until the Bulls got Scottie Pippen and he got closer to his prime. Then the Bulls won 3 straight. Jordan retires for a year and half. Comes back shows flashes of his old self. Got beat and outplayed by a better them Orlando that year. Comes back, win 3 straight titles again. Retired. Came back at 38 with the Wizards. Wasn't the same player. Would show flashes every once in awhile. Still the GOAT. Don't see where people deny his flaws. I think people are too busy forgetting Jordan's greatness. Lebron is and will go down as one of the greatest players of all time but not the GOAT.

    • @gloedup150
      @gloedup150 7 років тому +31

      Because MJ doesn't have Flaws in the finals

    • @titandmc8111
      @titandmc8111 7 років тому +64

      LEBRON BEAT DURANT AND WESTBROOKE,DUNCAN AND POPOVICH,THEN A 73 WIN GS TELL WHAT GREAT TEAMS THE BULLS BEAT BULLS NEVER FACED AN INTACT TEAM THAT HAD ALREADY WON A CHAMPIOSHIP

  • @TheDAWinz
    @TheDAWinz 7 років тому +405

    100% correct

    • @sadjetsfan1584
      @sadjetsfan1584 7 років тому +13

      Nothing that he said isn't true, but these are the same arguments Lebron fans have been using for a while now and they leave out a lot of context. You can't blame a 20-something year old Jordan for not being able to get past a 59 win Bucks team and the Bird-led Celtics dynasty in the first round, when Jordan didn't have another all-star caliber player alongside him, in the same way that you can't blame Lebron for losing to the Warriors and Spurs in his prime when his teammates didn't show up. And you can't look at one game (55 at the Garden) to say that Jordan was back to normal and so he shouldn't have lost to Shaq and Penny in 1995. Because anyone who actually knows basketball clearly understands that he was not back to normal- right before he retired, Jordan was averaging 41 8 and 6 in the Finals. In 1995, he was averaging less than 30 pts a game while shooting over 5% below his career average, and Nick wants to tell me Jordan was his same old self after two years of baseball? I call BS on that. People like Colin, Nick (both pro-Lebron), and Skip Bayless (anti-Lebron, pro-MJ) are so biased that things they present as "facts", while usually true, cover up a lot of the reality. And because most sports fans are pretty casual, they take their word for it without a proper understanding of basketball history

    • @timocruz510
      @timocruz510 7 років тому +4

      It's not Lebrons fault MJ played baseball, whether he was rusty or not the GOAT chose to do that. Also that Suns team in '93 was weak defensively. I don't think that it is overwhelmingly probable LBJ surpasses MJ like nick says, but it is definitely Possible, what if he sweeps this years warriors in the finals while dropping 35-10-10, obviously It's not likely but if something like that were to happen these last 2 years would be a major point on the LBJ side. I would say at this point he has a 30% chance of surpassing MJ depending on his jump shots consistency.

    • @jadonnoble8278
      @jadonnoble8278 7 років тому +3

      Sad Jets Fan u forgot that in 07 Lebron beat a championship pistons team to make it to the finals without a single all star on his team.

    • @sadjetsfan1584
      @sadjetsfan1584 7 років тому +2

      @Timo Cruz MJ playing baseball has nothing to do with Lebron- I was simply highlighting what actually happened with the rust caused by the 2-year layoff in order to counter Nick Wright's absolutely incorrect point that Jordan was the same in 1994-5 because the stats show he clearly wasn't. I think most reasonable fans agree that it's certainly possible, but definitely not "overwhelmingly probable" that Lebron surpasses MJ. Imo, however, it's really hard for Lebron to definitively surpass him- being considered his equal is more feasible. The reason is this- even if we assume that Lebron continues to rack up the volume numbers (the per game and advanced numbers will always slightly favor MJ, especially as Lebron exits his prime), and that he comes close to or ties MJ's accolades, i.e. rings, MVPs, etc, we could simply argue that it took Lebron more time to do everything that MJ did in just 13 seasons. It's the Kareem situation all over again. Kareem has more career points than Jordan, has the same number of rings and even one more MVP, but we still consider Jordan the greatest because in addition to his superior advanced metrics it took him fewer seasons to pretty much match Kareem's resume. Lebron's volume numbers may be enough for his fans to claim "GOAT", but we need to see more from him these next few years. Excited to see what happens.

    • @usainphelps1491
      @usainphelps1491 7 років тому

      Hey TheDAWinz you watch isiah production don't you?

  • @son-jayharrison8570
    @son-jayharrison8570 5 років тому +423

    Nick is right about 1 thing. People in general always bring up LeBron failures & omit mj's.

    • @normanlauron4102
      @normanlauron4102 5 років тому +9

      Son-Jay Harrison nope. We know of his failures. But we don’t ignore his greatness.

    • @Omega2322
      @Omega2322 5 років тому +35

      Norman Lauron capping

    • @CatoProduction
      @CatoProduction 5 років тому +13

      Norman Lauron u make no sense.

    • @jaybrick8973
      @jaybrick8973 4 роки тому +3

      @@normanlauron4102 huh ?

    • @normanlauron4102
      @normanlauron4102 4 роки тому +1

      @@CatoProduction Should I try it in another language?

  • @melaninsaiyangod8344
    @melaninsaiyangod8344 6 років тому +60

    0:45 her reaction is every Jordan fanboys reaction when you bring up the rest of his career besides when he won rings 😂😂😂😂😂

    • @BrotherO4
      @BrotherO4 4 роки тому +3

      @Kenneth Erickson MJ played more than 6 years in the nba. so by that his 6 for 15. by this logic only one man is great...The Great Bill Russell..dude went 11 for 12. by this logic lets stop talking about losers like MJ, kobe, lebron Dwade, magic, larry bird, tim, and so on. if you dont at the very least have a positive %s on Season vs Rings over 50..you are a loser.
      or...next before people tried to hate we can use something called a brain?

    • @Slipknot5301
      @Slipknot5301 4 роки тому

      @@BrotherO4 more rings, more finals MVPs, more regular season MVPs, more DPOYs, more all defensive selections...not close

    • @BrotherO4
      @BrotherO4 4 роки тому

      @@Slipknot5301 Rings are a team thing..again Bill Russell has 11. MJ is just a scorer and defender..lebron is a scorer, passer, and defender of all 5 spots.
      mj ended up being in the top 5 all time scoring..lebron will end up being top 2 or 1 all time Scoring and top 5 all time assist.
      so again, stats? does not go to MJ..kareen, lebron, wilt, kobe, and so on are better. rings? MJ has 6 meanwhile bill is laughing with 11. Career? Kareem
      if you do not know how to form a basketball point dont do so, if all you can say is 6 rings than you dont know MJ the player and what makes him one of the Goats.
      Bill beaten Wilt,
      Lebron had to beat KD, Curry,Tim for his
      Kareem had to beat prim piston/boston
      MJ could never beat none of the all time Teams in his Era...he had to wait till there Era was over...than get his own Super Team while the closet thing other team had was 1 Star or 1 superstar. again....if all you can say is 6 rings than stop typing at that point.

    • @ash1234073
      @ash1234073 4 роки тому +1

      @@BrotherO4 lebron james lost 2 as many finals than he won 3-6 , jordan perfect 6-6 in finals that ends debate., jordan defensive player of the year how many lebron won?0

    • @BrotherO4
      @BrotherO4 4 роки тому +9

      @@ash1234073 jordon won how many rings when there where real teams around? 0. all came from avg teams. lebron had to face OKC, Spurs, GSW, and Super GSW. Bulls didnt face any GSW and won..they where the GSW of that era and no one was even close.
      also funny how all you are left is 6-6 which is not true..jordan played more than 6 season..uhm you do know if you play a season..and dont win you lost. its not better to lose in the first round than than in the finals. also funny DPOY is what you have left...mmeanwhile lebron has everything else.
      also if its by rings only...Bill Russell laughs with 11 rings. Wilt had the whole NBA making rules to stop him meanwhile the NBA made rules to make it easier for MJ.
      MJ was in a league where they had illegal Defense. by MJ word about this rule being removed.. letting teams double/triple guard at anytime does not let the superstar to be efficient.
      MJ had to retire two times meanwhile Bill, wilt, kobe, and lebron didnt need "Rest". Lebron/kobe had more minutes than MJ and still was playing at a higher level..lebron even more so.
      so debate all you want but if its about rings MJ lost, by history book MJ lost, Defense player? MJ lost, minutes played? mj lost, dealing with non illegal defense? MJ lost
      kareem says high, Kobe says high, Bill says high, lebron says high, and wilt says hello.
      Acting like MJ holds some record..all that he has left is 6-6 and its not even the most..not even close.

  •  7 років тому +462

    Nick Wright vs Skip Bayless same network lets go

    • @haydenallen23
      @haydenallen23 7 років тому

      Andréas Remis Vegan Lifestyle yes

    • @tre.jluster2574
      @tre.jluster2574 7 років тому +57

      Skip doesn't really come with any real good backup for what he says. He just says outrageous things out of his hatred for certain players and teams.

    • @PocketMr7901Ladray
      @PocketMr7901Ladray 7 років тому +2

      Tre Geauxhard24/7 that's why he gets the big bucks entertainment Nick and Colin talk about LeBron every day and say nothing new

    • @donaldd4136
      @donaldd4136 6 років тому +4

      Skip is a blind Lebron hater. Not interested in his opinions.

    • @lineb9
      @lineb9 6 років тому

      Andréas Remis skip would eat him alive

  • @Darius7500
    @Darius7500 7 років тому +355

    People Still Hold That 07 Finals lost against him? They Had No chance... 2011 however there is no defence

    • @krisputtemans7623
      @krisputtemans7623 7 років тому +42

      Radius Jordan the People Who hold 07 against him are haters or retards

    • @Darius7500
      @Darius7500 7 років тому +49

      he took one of the worst teams ever to the finals you gotta respect that!

    • @whateverreally1347
      @whateverreally1347 7 років тому +17

      22 ppg on 36% FG and 20% FT with 5.8 TOs per game and letting a 24 year old TP score 25 ppg on 57% from the field and 57% from deep is AWFUL.
      He took the FOURTH best defense in the league to the Finals while playing the weakest in-conference competition since the 1987 Lakers. Just stop

    • @harrygarris6921
      @harrygarris6921 7 років тому +8

      I think it was the worst team ever to make the finals since the merger. Fivethirtyeight did a story on that 2007 Cavs team about a year ago

    • @whateverreally1347
      @whateverreally1347 7 років тому +4

      ***** nope. 1999 Knicks were worse according to 538. So is Larry Johnson the GOAT ?

  • @eyanandati6934
    @eyanandati6934 4 роки тому +84

    They burnt the tapes 😂😂

  • @doctorso4021
    @doctorso4021 7 років тому +262

    My man spitting fax lol the NBA burnt the tapes 😂😂

    • @donpapi373
      @donpapi373 2 роки тому +3

      Lol imagine taking nick wright seriously

    • @Dontresssmith3757
      @Dontresssmith3757 2 роки тому +10

      They didnt want to show you what happend with Orlando

    • @donpapi373
      @donpapi373 2 роки тому

      @@Dontresssmith3757 there is footage on youtube go look it up

    • @jacobfarley247
      @jacobfarley247 2 роки тому +8

      @@donpapi373 he’s right tho yall jus too much in denial bc ur insecure abt lebron surpassing ur daddy

    • @donpapi373
      @donpapi373 Рік тому +1

      @@jacobfarley247 did I mention that mj was my favourite that you call him my daddy?🤡

  • @jaykelz1528
    @jaykelz1528 7 років тому +779

    I need Nick Wright and Skip Bayless to debate this once and for all once LeBron retires.
    Because they both have very compelling arguments.

    • @shyshobling
      @shyshobling 7 років тому +141

      Jay Kelz No Skip just hates on Lebron while Nick uses Facts

    • @jaykelz1528
      @jaykelz1528 7 років тому +6

      That is true, Skip can be Skip and just get in the way but we all know that they debate can last about a whole show smh

    • @ohmyassoff1087
      @ohmyassoff1087 7 років тому +77

      all skip will say is "clutch gene, mj is the greatest ever"

    • @DarkCloudian
      @DarkCloudian 7 років тому +15

      Or Skip uses facts but Bron fans just don't want to hear it.

    • @carisi2k11
      @carisi2k11 7 років тому +8

      Skip correctly believes that Lebron will never be as good as Michael. He is supposed to be in the discussion with Michael but his 4 failures in finals means he will never reach MJ's level. The GOAT is MJ and Lebron is second best at best.
      Nick's facts are tainted by the fact his purpose is solely to try to bring Michael down. He brings up Birds Celtics and Isiah's pistons and the fact that Michael got swept 3 straight years and forgets to mention that lebron didn't make the playoffs in his first year while Michael never failed to make the playoffs during his bulls career and only failed at Washington when he was age 38-40.
      Lets not forget the fact that Lebron has never played against a team the calibre of those Celtics or pistons ever in his career or the fact Detroit made up a set of rules specifically for MJ. Lets gloss over the fact that MJ put 63 on Larry in a losing effort. Then lets gloss over the fact that Michael took the pistons down in their prime as the defending champions and continue to say that he never beat anybody in their prime.
      The only thing that matters is 6/6 in the finals, 6 finals MVP's, Higher point scoring average, defensive player of the year, 10x scoring champ and an NCAA championship. MJ did this all during a period in which the league was at it's strongest period vs the powder puff league of today in which MJ's stats averages would be significantly higher.

  • @dacooooo
    @dacooooo 7 років тому +238

    If Nick sits across the table from Skip then skip will retire!!

    • @brohitb
      @brohitb 7 років тому +4

      1 bet 1.4 ppg will come into discussion eventually , if they sit across for long . Because that guy Skip is irritating when he talks about LBJ , some facts & he treats them as gospel as if nobody can ever change/redeem them

    • @N8veJay
      @N8veJay 7 років тому

      king ked Skip can withstand with his trolling, so it would be a battle of the ages.

    • @CarlosCooksChi
      @CarlosCooksChi 7 років тому

      skip changes the subject whenever you bring damning stats to the table.

    • @lilprincekilla
      @lilprincekilla 7 років тому

      Skip would be like any other Jordantard. "None of that matters, all that matters is what Jordan has done, it doesn't matter that he didn't get past the first round without Pippen let alone win without him." They just focus on his positives and disregard his short comings.

    • @lazarosmaroulis3969
      @lazarosmaroulis3969 7 років тому +1

      LilPrince Killa in my opinion playing against Larrys Celtics and magics lakers or the bad boy Pistons and not winning a series against them with no help is not a surprise. With teams like that tell me if Lebron would even make the playoffs within his first three years in the NBA.

  • @INH99899
    @INH99899 6 років тому +69

    Don't let this distract you from the fact that Lightning McQueen blew a 2 lap lead in the Piston Cup🏆

    • @kidjustice1207
      @kidjustice1207 4 роки тому +4

      Chill. Changing tires takes to long😂

    • @F10Danny
      @F10Danny 3 роки тому +1

      dude he literally got injured wtf

    • @boyzaya15
      @boyzaya15 3 роки тому +2

      LMAOOOOOOOO he choked

    • @mikegarb1956
      @mikegarb1956 3 роки тому +1

      That's because he wasn't driving a powder blue 72 cougar with a Cleveland engine and 4 barrel carburetor. 😆 LOL

  • @354gangsta
    @354gangsta 6 років тому +148

    They always mention the playoffs he won but never the ones they didnt even make🤔🤔🤔🤔

    • @brendaborrero385
      @brendaborrero385 5 років тому +5

      6 OF 6...

    • @divine02759
      @divine02759 4 роки тому +39

      @@brendaborrero385 1-9

    • @patricknicholsmusic9470
      @patricknicholsmusic9470 4 роки тому +22

      354gangsta Yeah funny since lebron didnt make his first 2 playoffs. They both had 50 win teams in their 4th season. In the 2nd round Lebron played a 40 win nets team while jordan played the bad boy pistons(who went to the finals)

    • @Xzei
      @Xzei 4 роки тому +14

      @@patricknicholsmusic9470 You do realize that the Cavs missed the playoffs with a better record (aside from rookie years) than the Bulls did, right?
      Jordan made the playoffs... with less wins... than what LeBron missed the playoffs with. You know why? Because the East was trash outside of Boston and Detroit. It's called a top heavy league. Remember the NFC West putting in a 7-9 Division Winner? Yea... like that. When your 8th seed can limp into the playoffs with 32 wins, there is something wrong. And to make it worse, retards praise Jordan like it's an accomplishment lol

    • @ash1234073
      @ash1234073 4 роки тому +3

      @@divine02759 6-6 vs 3-6 in finals clown

  • @rondostyle9532
    @rondostyle9532 7 років тому +506

    All Nick does it speak facts. Everything Jordan did is looked at in the most positive light possible. Everything LeBron does is micro-analyzed and dissected and criticized to make look worse.
    Like it or not at the same age, he has done more, significantly more than Jordan. Not saying he can for sure pass Jordan but he will go down too 3 conservatively probably top 2.
    Only time will tell though

    • @patrickharrison1913
      @patrickharrison1913 7 років тому +22

      Age is a ridiculous comparison point between the two. Compare them at the same number of seasons as a professional. MJs 6 for 6 also is an insane achievement that elevates him. Not cracking under great scrutiny and playing great teams in the Finals is the ultimate test. I love Lebron, he is top 3-4 all time but Jordan remains on another level for now.

    • @JuniusR
      @JuniusR 7 років тому +43

      Patrick Harrison Jordan took years off to rest his body..Lebron at the Age of 31 has played to most minutes in NBA history

    • @rondostyle9532
      @rondostyle9532 7 років тому +28

      Patrick Harrison You're wrong because Jordan also had 3 years to develop in college and thus was able to come more ready to accomplish. If you wait three years after LeBron came in and compared their seasons then LeBron still comes out on top.
      MJ's 6 for 6 is the most overrated stat of his career. Why? Because he lost three times in the first round. Because he never played great teams in the Finals. Nobody he played against in the NBA Finals compares to the Spurs, or thr Warriors, even the 2012 Thunder LeBron played who featured KD, Russ, Harden, Ibaka etc that absolutely ran San Antonio off the floor and almost ended the Spurs run before the Harden trade.

    • @ItIsMeJZ
      @ItIsMeJZ 7 років тому +6

      RondoStyle9 I agree, but right now I have 5 or 6 players ahead of him personally. MJ, Kobe, Kareem, Magic, Wilt, and Shaq.

    • @botzkeint
      @botzkeint 7 років тому +5

      3 years to develop? Lebron James is 14 seasons in. Take away his first 3. and his average PPG is 27.2
      Which Is not "on top" of Michael Jordan with 30.9 with 11 seasons in at age 32. surely LBJ would average more points assists and rebounds At age 32? No.... They have the same amount of rings. Same amount of MVPs. The difference isn't very significant at all. But I would not say LBJ comes out on top. You can Cherry pick stats to go either way eg. MJ averages more points and steals. Lebron averages more assists and rebounds. Largely to do with the fact they also play different positions and are completely different players. Volume wise LBJ will end up with more everything than MJ because he played more games, started younger, no serious injuries. But just simply not as efficient as Michael. Rather than comparing them now look what Lebron james has to go and do in order to be the goat. By this time onwards Michael Jordan went and won 3 in a row averaged 30.4ppg/ 29.6ppg/ 28.7ppg (Lebron James will not do that. Not to mention the play off averages he set he also will not do) He also went on to average 38.1 minutes per game (another thing lebron james will not do because he complains about minutes played already) Michael also played ALL 82 games and started all of them (another thing lebron will not do because he can't) So when people actually say at 31 LBJ isn't far off MJ of course they aren't... they had accomplished around the same because they're both great players. But what makes Michael the goat is he carried on from this point on. 10 scoring titles, 6 from 6. Thats pretty unreal.

  • @Brooklyn94269
    @Brooklyn94269 7 років тому +150

    Jordan #1 , lebron #2 ... no dispute, if bron beats the Warriors this year and wins finals mvp, there is a compelling argument that they are equals. #nuffsaid , let's move on from this topic

    • @rondostyle9532
      @rondostyle9532 7 років тому +2

      rashawn thompson The most fair position I've seen. Totally agree. If he beats this Warriors team then we gotta take a serious look at them as equals

    • @Brooklyn94269
      @Brooklyn94269 7 років тому +10

      RondoStyle9 facts. Lebron my favorite player but I'm getting tired of this topic. Guys are just repeating the same information.

    • @GabeCoy12
      @GabeCoy12 7 років тому

      I would agree if Lebron career ended after this year, and he goes to do something else. If he sticks around he could surpass Jordan as player but never the narrative.

    • @thelegends2439
      @thelegends2439 7 років тому +1

      rashawn thompson I think if he threepeats with this cavs team I'll believe he has a chance...but I agree that it's talked about too much...I'm not ready to put him at number 1...he has to do it...Idk why people are counting out the warriors. This warriors team is still REALLY good and that series could go either way

    • @lakerstr8killurteam
      @lakerstr8killurteam 7 років тому

      rashawn thompson it's all suggestive boss this will never end.

  • @mexia23
    @mexia23 7 років тому +37

    He spit a lot of facts about MJ . His legacy not spotless like everybody make it out to be

    • @caddylover10
      @caddylover10 29 днів тому

      6-0 never seeing a game 7. best offensive and best defensive player on the court, Never lost when he had home court advantag.
      In the history of the nba only 1 player has won a title, a scoring title, mvp, fmvp, all nba first team and first team all nvba defense. he did this 4x. levels.

  • @justanotheracc6148
    @justanotheracc6148 6 років тому +53

    I know Jordan mad af nick just exposed him like that😂

    • @christianroberts23
      @christianroberts23 5 років тому +8

      What did nick say that exposed him

    • @ash1234073
      @ash1234073 4 роки тому +11

      jordan 6-6 in finals, lebron 3-6 in finals nothing else needs to be said,

    • @kantenpayne7011
      @kantenpayne7011 4 роки тому +10

      Ashley 3187 Than man1-9 without Pippen

    • @deku8910
      @deku8910 4 роки тому

      @@ash1234073 6-0

    • @fury_021
      @fury_021 3 роки тому +2

      @Brett Clayton He just went to play baseball . why would he run when he 3 peated ?? and you say he ran but came back to 3 peat again..

  • @ethd2286
    @ethd2286 7 років тому +451

    "Jordan has 3 first round exits and Lebron has none!!!"
    MJ lost to the 59 win Bucks his rookie year when they had Defensive Player of the year guard Sidney Moncrief, and then lost to Bird's dynasty Celtics the following 2 seasons. Lebron didnt even make the playoffs until 2006 and when he did, he hit the lottery by getting a laughably weak Wizards team in the first round with no good defenders.
    "When MJ left the Bulls, they went from 57 wins to 55!!!"
    What Nick failed to mention is the fact that the Bulls overhauled their entire roster when MJ left to play baseball and brought in 40ppg worth of scoring to replace him. Year 2 of MJ in baseball, the Bulls were 34-31 before MJ came back and when he did, they finished the season 12-3. And we all know what happened the following year. 72-10, all time greatest team. 55 wins to 72 is pretty impactful if you ask me.
    It's amazing what adding a little context can do to someone's argument, huh Nick?

    • @MrToco23
      @MrToco23 7 років тому +44

      Well obviously, now add a little more context into the Lebron argument and it will go on and on...

    • @M.Westen
      @M.Westen 7 років тому +63

      "Lebron didnt even make the playoffs until 2006"
      Was 2005 season, but yes technically in 2006. However there is a similar argument to be made against Jordan. Many people disregard that Lebron has already been to more finals than Jordan. Because Lebron lost 4 of them, many people disregard them as meaningless when in fact he has already, at this point, been to one more finals than Jordan did in his entire career and four more than Jordan had at 31.
      When Lebron is done he could have easily been to 10 finals appreances, that is four more than Jordan managed, regardless if he won or not. And I know the argument that he is in a weak east is there, but that is outside his control, fact is fact and it is something that is being glazed over by almost everyone commenting on this matchup.

    • @BigRuben205
      @BigRuben205 7 років тому +3

      Stop copying and pasting this garbage you MGay stan

    • @ethd2286
      @ethd2286 7 років тому +11

      ***** Had MJ not retired mid prime and then again after 98, he would have at least 2 more finals appearances, maybe another MVP, his stats would be unparalleled and this wouldnt even be a conversation.

    • @TELLMEWHOYAGOT
      @TELLMEWHOYAGOT 7 років тому +46

      Oh LeBron came into the league as an 18 year old, compare to mj who came in after his junior year and being coached by arguably the greatest teacher of basketball in Dean Smith. The cavs improved every year LeBron was there, despite enormous pressure and expectations never before experienced by any athlete , not even Jordan.

  • @trevionsewell8955
    @trevionsewell8955 7 років тому +85

    Everybody brings up Michael Jordan's first round exits but they never acknowledge that he was facing Larry bird and the Celtics and
    Lebron was facing the Washington wizards led by Gilbert arenas

    • @trevionsewell8955
      @trevionsewell8955 7 років тому +4

      Rudy Montana ok he never lost in the first round Magic Johnson never lost in a semifinal what's the point ?

    • @syaredic1
      @syaredic1 7 років тому +13

      The point is people knock Lebron because he's lost in the finals while Michael has never lost in the finals. Michael being undefeated in the finals shouldn't be an argument for Michael because he couldn't even get to the finals as many times as Lebron already has. The fact that he lost so many times in the first round takes the lore away from that 6-0 finals stat

    • @TheSwagIsBack
      @TheSwagIsBack 7 років тому +10

      syaredic1 the reason why he didn't get to the finals cause he ain't the luxury of having a super team & a weak conference like Lebron did.

    • @ronl6610
      @ronl6610 7 років тому +27

      trevion sewell Youre crazy. NOBODY brings up MJs first round exits. All you hear is 6 for 6.

    • @dejonfuller3006
      @dejonfuller3006 7 років тому

      bringing up competition is whack. it's the NBA. playoffs at that.anybody liable to get beat. can't blame LeBron for being so dominate since he touched the league from high school

  • @timphillips5770
    @timphillips5770 7 років тому +98

    MJ 1-9 in playoff series without SaveMe Pippen

    • @qbrees30339
      @qbrees30339 4 роки тому +9

      He still lost with Pippen in the playoffs 🤷🏿‍♂️

    • @iaisndidijejejdidi6367
      @iaisndidijejejdidi6367 4 роки тому +27

      @@qbrees30339 lebron still losses with wade and bosh

    • @iaisndidijejejdidi6367
      @iaisndidijejejdidi6367 4 роки тому +13

      @@qbrees30339 with love and kyrie

    • @amirruffin8219
      @amirruffin8219 4 роки тому +5

      Tim Phillips how many team Lebron had to go to and win and lose me stayed on the same team

    • @cashking9383
      @cashking9383 4 роки тому

      Amirthatgoat30 All w no ls Don’t sit here and act like Jordan didn’t have an all time great coach? He had a great front office too. Come on man.

  • @Mirr4600
    @Mirr4600 6 років тому +85

    I couldn't have said it better myself the haters are never consistent

    • @therant7411
      @therant7411 3 роки тому +3

      Regarding the 2007 Finals, most people rightfully give Lebron a pass for getting swept by Spurs, with multiple hall of famers, and Lebron was young with a weaker squad.
      If you give Lebron a pass for that in the finals then you have to give MJ a pass for being swept in the first round by the Celtics, with multiple hall of famers, and MJ was young with a weaker squad. MJ couldn’t help that the elite teams were in his conference rather than the west like it was for Lebron.
      Gotta keep it “consistent” 😂
      Also MJ never lost a series where his team was ranked higher seed or the favorite to win. I believe Lebron missed the finals after having a team be the #1 seed two or three times 👀

    • @user-dp7td7fj1l
      @user-dp7td7fj1l 3 роки тому

      Consistently hating

    • @cheyheyway6244
      @cheyheyway6244 3 роки тому +1

      @@therant7411 MJ teams were obviously better than Lebron’s teams. Without Lebron his teams crumble without Jordan his teams do just fine.

    • @therant7411
      @therant7411 3 роки тому +1

      @@cheyheyway6244
      When Lebron left the heat you do know they won 37 games the following season, right?
      That’s with…
      Whiteside missing 34 games
      Goran Drogic missing 56 games
      Chris Bosh missing 38 games
      DWade missing 20 games
      The heat were riddled with injuries and were 2 games from making the playoffs without Lebron. It’s revisionist history to say all his teams just suck when he leaves.
      And the second CLE team was players he wanted lmboooo. He told them he was not staying unless they traded Wiggins for Kevin Love, he told CLE that they need to give Tristan Thompson and JR smith the brinks truck or he’s out, he told CLE to trade veteran leaders/winners (d wade, d Rose, crowder etc) mid season without giving them a chance to work for young un proven puppies.
      Lebron has been controlling his teams rosters since leaving CLE the first time he left and only has 4 rings? I can’t imagine the greatest basketball player ever controlling his teams destiny and win the finals so few times 😅

    • @cheyheyway6244
      @cheyheyway6244 3 роки тому

      @@therant7411 When Lebron left the Cavs they went from solid contenders to having the biggest record drop off in NBA history.When Lebron left the Heat they went from A Finals team to not making the playoffs and that’s a fact. Your injury excuses are lame af every team gets fatigue and injury after years of grinding it part of the game. When Jordan left the bulls they won 55 games. When Lebron left the Cavs the second time they went from a finals team to the worst in the league. Jordan’s team had virtually no record difference.
      There are levels to this Lebron in himself is a force that carries his teams to success. He does so much more for his teams than Jordan. Jordan was just apart of a great system with the GOAT coach and a top 5 player in the league helping him out of every series.
      What happened when Jordan got whopped by an inexperienced expansion team in the playoffs? He got two stars added to his team making a super team.
      Lebron is the Greatest Basketball player of all time. He is the best in the most skillful era. He also was more efficient than Jordan and a bigger factor to his team’s success.

  • @jesseordono3177
    @jesseordono3177 7 років тому +199

    he literally has the best argument for lebron haters

    • @TheSwagIsBack
      @TheSwagIsBack 7 років тому +8

      Jesse Ordono no he doesn't he didn't put no context with it none

    • @gamelover8968
      @gamelover8968 7 років тому +13

      He just picks and chooses
      He didnt mention that lebron didnt even make the playoffs in his early years

    • @juliusbanks6936
      @juliusbanks6936 7 років тому +1

      Also doesn't mention that LeBron is 7-1 in Eastern finals versus MJ's 6-2.

    • @SoloBroTV
      @SoloBroTV 7 років тому +5

      MJ was on a Bulls' team that went 30-52 and still made the playoffs. The teams weren't as good as you think they were.

    • @KawhiLeonard-NBAMVP
      @KawhiLeonard-NBAMVP 7 років тому +4

      Nick wright thinks Lebron provides rain for the earth.

  • @teagan684
    @teagan684 7 років тому +469

    Lebron could average a triple double for the rest of his career and win ten rings, people will still have reason why MJ is the best in their eyes.

    • @UnplayedGaming
      @UnplayedGaming 7 років тому +48

      No they won't he just isn't better deal with it.

    • @andresnieto4773
      @andresnieto4773 7 років тому +24

      Black Petunia he is. deal with it

    • @UnplayedGaming
      @UnplayedGaming 7 років тому +10

      ***** at literally only passing

    • @andresnieto4773
      @andresnieto4773 7 років тому +16

      Black Petunia and everything else

    • @UnplayedGaming
      @UnplayedGaming 7 років тому +10

      ***** good job upvoting you own comment

  • @Decal0327
    @Decal0327 6 років тому +41

    " The NBA burned🔥🔥🔥the 📼📼📼." Get'em Nick 💪💪😅

    • @ash1234073
      @ash1234073 4 роки тому +1

      jordan 6-6 lebron 3-6 in finals.

    • @Mckylan
      @Mckylan 4 роки тому +1

      Ashley 3187 it’s a team sport not individual head to head match ups lol. It’s hard finding the footage when Jordan got beat in 95 and don’t say he was rusty

    • @donpapi373
      @donpapi373 2 роки тому +1

      Go check the tapes search them up you literally believe everything nick says as if it’s true

    • @alec4996
      @alec4996 2 роки тому

      @@donpapi373 Exactly

    • @joshuafult84
      @joshuafult84 Рік тому

      @@donpapi373 the point is it's not officially released. Any footage of it's terrible quality of some vhs tape.

  • @jerrybutler3062
    @jerrybutler3062 4 роки тому +14

    Good argument but can we all just agree that they’re both all time greats. Jordan was the best in the 90s and LeBron was the best in the 2010s

    • @legendarywiimaster
      @legendarywiimaster Рік тому

      Fr it seems like that you’re a causal if you appreciate both of them

  • @Mrforever34
    @Mrforever34 7 років тому +30

    Nick wright the 🐐

    • @TheSwagIsBack
      @TheSwagIsBack 7 років тому

      Thot Quin no you just 2 years old

    • @kingme5721
      @kingme5721 7 років тому

      TheSwagIsBack ..nah you just made bro

    • @Mrforever34
      @Mrforever34 7 років тому

      TheSwagIsBack lol

  • @Chris-ld5vk
    @Chris-ld5vk 7 років тому +59

    I wanted to comment first but I'll pass

    • @mert4879
      @mert4879 7 років тому +8

      Was that a pun?

    • @23robertcarter
      @23robertcarter 7 років тому +2

      TheKnowledgeSeeker the fact that he has a lebron profile pic and he pass up the chance to be first

  • @jordankarl6463
    @jordankarl6463 6 років тому +11

    Nick looks like he’s about to give a very emotional speech in the thumbnail

  • @hardybryan
    @hardybryan 2 роки тому +21

    I still have MJ as #1, but Nick is right about how this discussion goes. Also, the idea the Bulls would have won 8 straight is beyond ludicrous. If you want to say they'd have made different moves while he was away if he had been there, that's fine. But then they wouldn't have been in position to make the moves (like bringing in Rodman) that they made when he returned. You can't have it both ways. If you think they would have built the team to win in '94 an '95, you have to accept that would have had significant consequences for their ability to rebuild the team for '96-'98. Not to mention, both 3peats burnt the team out by themselves, but they were going to keep it going for 8 straight years? Please.

    • @SICKOCL
      @SICKOCL 8 місяців тому

      you still have MJ at 1 even after 20 years after he retired?

  • @hendarula5310
    @hendarula5310 7 років тому +60

    ignorant Jordan fans will say Nick riding Bron. Great argument

    • @SuperSparrow45
      @SuperSparrow45 6 років тому +10

      How about this then? Wright talks about how Jordan was eliminated in the first round his first three years but fails to mention that Lebron didn't even MAKE the playoffs his first two seasons. Then in his 3rd season beat a barely over 500 Wizards squad to get eliminated by Detroit in the 2nd round. Wow. The Bulls were eliminated in the first round by three teams (Bucks in '85, Celtics in '86 and '87) that would take that PIstons squad to school.

    • @imsljr420
      @imsljr420 4 роки тому +5

      HenDaRula it's not a great argument. he said Jordan beat the pistons because they got old. their main players weren't even 30 so how is that old? what hurt the pistons and helped the Bulls was the pistons lost key bench players to expansion teams and the league added the flagrant or technical foul rule so the pistons couldn't play dirty anymore.

    • @imsljr420
      @imsljr420 4 роки тому +1

      @@SuperSparrow45 ok and how about you mention that Jordan made the playoffs in his 2nd year with a 30 - 52 record while lebron couldn't make it with a 42- 40 record. talk how extremely weak that era must've been to make it with 30 wins.

    • @AD-eq4kn
      @AD-eq4kn 4 роки тому +1

      It's no comparison jordan is the GOAT

    • @ash1234073
      @ash1234073 4 роки тому

      i will take jordan's 6-6 over lebron 3-6 in finals every single time how's that for ignorant clown

  • @Rayzajw
    @Rayzajw 7 років тому +59

    i hate how everyone treats jordan like he's a God or something untouchable... Kobe was just as good as MJ in parts of his career lebron is on the road of the greatest basketball player ever.

    • @lukeochoa3450
      @lukeochoa3450 7 років тому

      Rayzajw because MJ is a god

    • @patrickharrison1913
      @patrickharrison1913 7 років тому

      MJ elevated basketball to a global game. He is one of the great sportspeople of all time in any sport. Kobe isnt close Im sorry, go to europe, go to asia and youll see everyone holds Jordan at the top.

    • @Rayzajw
      @Rayzajw 7 років тому

      lol read my comment you idiot i said kobe in parts was just as good... and lebron is on the road to greatness. im just saying MJ is not a Basketball God and if he played in this era he would of been hated more than Lebron is now plus if he was a god he would of won against the magic. I've been watching basketball ever since i can since 01 okay so yeah i might be a tad biased.

    • @Rayzajw
      @Rayzajw 7 років тому +2

      gerizzyYMcrew kobe isn't a joke. but i thought the 2010 finals was pretty good by kobe but i see where you're coming from. cheers bro.

    • @d-train510
      @d-train510 7 років тому

      Rayzajw yea but every team he goes to a team has to be built around him what if ray Allen never signed with the heat what love or smith never came to the cavs his team's make not the other way because if it wasn't for Kyrie and Ray LeBron would be 1-6 not 3-4 Jordan actually hit the big shot for his team

  • @ariesram3283
    @ariesram3283 7 років тому +81

    thank you somebody fianally said it about jordan thank you thank you for the love of god yes hes right colin

    • @shanecurtis1974
      @shanecurtis1974 3 роки тому +1

      IKR

    • @themansince
      @themansince 3 роки тому +1

      He is wrong.

    • @themansince
      @themansince 3 роки тому +1

      the Pistons were around the same age as MJ in 91. Lebron didn't make the playoffs in his first two years in the league. MJ didn't have any help versus the Celtics.

    • @shanecurtis1974
      @shanecurtis1974 3 роки тому

      Just the facts

    • @themansince
      @themansince 3 роки тому

      @@shanecurtis1974 what facts? Isiah and Dennis Rodman is one year older than MJ. Mark Aguirre is two years older than MJ. Dumars is one year younger than MJ. Salley is two years younger than MJ. MJ didn't have any help against the Celtics. That was his 2nd and 3rd year in the league. As I said, Lebron didn't even make the playoffs in his first two years in the league.

  • @kevinsaavedra0007
    @kevinsaavedra0007 6 років тому +31

    Exactly shaq & penny were giving them buckets in 95 🔥🏀🔥🏀🔥💪

    • @DNikos
      @DNikos 4 роки тому +6

      What's interesting is Jordan was back for only 15 games. He came back the next year , played a full year & Orlando was better at 60 wins & welp...swept in 4!!! & Shaq headed out to LA (thank God)
      This story might have carried more weight if he had not came back the way he did & ran off another 3!

    • @greatomeister675
      @greatomeister675 4 роки тому +2

      Swept them in 96

    • @josesanchez2663
      @josesanchez2663 4 роки тому +5

      N what happened the next 3 years after

    • @Cream-2128
      @Cream-2128 4 роки тому +1

      Bilal Ali he came back the next year with a completely different team

    • @jal740
      @jal740 4 роки тому +2

      Bilal Ali so you should gonna leave out the fact they the bulls upgraded the team. This is the point Nick was making, ppl omit when discussing anything unfavorable with MJ

  • @Baseballbat95
    @Baseballbat95 7 років тому +75

    This is true just like we lie about what Joe Montana did and didn't do. He had 3 straight first round exits in the prime of his career, but we all overlook that and say he's 4-0 in superbowls

    • @davidcarr6633
      @davidcarr6633 7 років тому +1

      nobody wins every year bro. and football is way different than a 7 game series in basketball

    • @Baseballbat95
      @Baseballbat95 7 років тому +17

      David Carr My point is people try to point out the imperfections in the players today and try to paint players from other era's as untouchable. They aren't.

    • @davidcarr6633
      @davidcarr6633 7 років тому

      Nate Zeller eh. Jordan's actual legacy is pretty untouchable 6 for 6 in finals. His last shot ever for the Bulls was a finals game winner. 5 mvps defensive player of the year 6 finals Mvps had a longer triple double streak than Russ Westbrook and avg 38 his third year in the league. Just like we look at lebrons numbers we gotta look at accolades. Also Lebron just has played longer. Jordan won 6 titles and 5 Mvps in the time it's taken Lebron to win 3 championships b

    • @Baseballbat95
      @Baseballbat95 7 років тому +7

      David Carr It's not untouchable and you are proving my point. I bet you are under 20 years old

    • @blackbolt3423
      @blackbolt3423 7 років тому +2

      Nate Zeller No one lies about Jordans History . Him failing against greater teams in his early years it what makes him GREAT! That why people love his game . Lebron had to leave in order to win .. those are facts ! Instead of playing against wade he decided to play with Wade

  • @Tunes342
    @Tunes342 7 років тому +150

    MJ is the greatest shooting guard ever and Lebron is the greatest small forward ever. U cant really compare them because their styles are different. MJ is a deadlier offensive player and Lebron is a better all around player. To say MJ is better, u have to be specific. He is better in what way? U just cant say he's better than Lebron when Lebron is a better rebounder and passer, and a more versatile defender also. Lebron can guard D-Rose and then in another series bang in the paint with big David West and Hibbert and snatch 17 rebounds against that front court.

    • @dice1997
      @dice1997 7 років тому +6

      Tunes342 I respect your opinion but Lebron can't guard West but on occasion and it was probably in transition. Years past Lebron couldn't guard 4/5 too big plus they actually had post moves. We call that mouse in the house. It's ok to say but in reality 1/3 he can guard for extended stretches. Really go back look I've never seen Lebron guard Kobe willingly but you have seen Kobe guard Lebron willingly it's just a different mind state that they have.

    • @gregorylee1395
      @gregorylee1395 7 років тому +6

      "..and a more versatile defender also."
      I'm curious what makes you say that. Jordan has 9 all-defensive first teams and a DPOY award while Lebron has 5 all-defensive first teams and no DPOY. Not that it's all about accolade when it comes to defense (cough Kobe cough), I really don't see how you can call Lebron a more versatile defender. If anything I'd say Jordan has the edge in that category.

    • @aok1416
      @aok1416 7 років тому +1

      Gregory Lee I think he means that lebron is capable of guarding positions 1-5 which Jordan wasn't known for. Plus lebron has a few more years to get that DPOY, at least give him the time.

    • @dclop4036
      @dclop4036 7 років тому +6

      Lebron being the greatest small forward is up for debate, I would still choose Bird, I've seen Lebron quit on his team, since when are the people who are considered the best quitters, Jim Brown, Jerry Rice, Wayne Gretzky. When Lebron fails he quits, now that he is winning its all good and some people, aka (Tunes342) love him, but true sports people see right though it. Comparing lebron to mike is funny, people will try anything these days.

    • @bballah4lyfe
      @bballah4lyfe 7 років тому +2

      Tunes342 Larry Bird is the greatest SF ever

  • @theballereli
    @theballereli 6 років тому +87

    LeBron is the Brady of the NBA. No matter what they do to prove themselves as the GOAT'S, fans will still say Montana and Jordan are better because of their perfect records in championships

    • @Thaulin
      @Thaulin 6 років тому +13

      He's Peyton, choker with pretty stats. Brady is MJ - clutch personified

    • @theballereli
      @theballereli 6 років тому +6

      Thorfinn lmao good comparison and even tho I dislike Peyton I don't think either are chokers. Brady cheating 3 too many times so I can't put him with jordan

    • @carlosmendez3955
      @carlosmendez3955 5 років тому +4

      Brady will never be the goat cause he's a cheater

    • @travusholloway31
      @travusholloway31 5 років тому +1

      I hate Brady once he took his 5th he is the G.O.A.T and I'm from the Montana era... I'm a Giants fan before... L.T and company got there first one.

    • @dywansanders
      @dywansanders 5 років тому +1

      Baller_Eli naw that’s entirely correct sir. They give MJ & Montana the goat title b/c their degree of difficulty , the Undefeated status on the big stage & the overall total body of work

  • @razza1580
    @razza1580 4 роки тому +10

    When Jordan left the bulls that’s when Pippen went into his prime

  • @longjohnsilverthorne7766
    @longjohnsilverthorne7766 7 років тому +95

    everytime people point flaws in jordan, you can point 2 flaws in lebron. For instance, Lebron couldn't beat the celtics till pierce kd and allen were around 34.

    • @jhmxk
      @jhmxk 7 років тому +24

      LongJohn Silverthorne the Celtics big 3 was in their 30s when they became a team so this is irrelevant they. were just really team

    • @lukeochoa3450
      @lukeochoa3450 7 років тому +37

      LongJohn Silverthorne because he had no team with him

    • @tommylaudon5449
      @tommylaudon5449 7 років тому +8

      Are you talking about the 56 win Celtics team or some old team that shouldn't have been in the playoffs? Because I'm confused there, seeing as they were still regarded as the team to beat even when their stars were "old"

    • @thebobbymft5805
      @thebobbymft5805 7 років тому +49

      Lol when LeBron finally beat the Big 3, the Celtics were the defending eastern champions and were a game away from being the defending champs , so don't try to minimize the accomplishment

    • @arturoluna475
      @arturoluna475 7 років тому +6

      LeBron quit against the Celtics in 2010, put up 22, 15, & 27 games 4-6 after getting up 2-1. Lebron had the worst choke job of all time in 2011 and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron was upstaged in 2014 finals, games 3-5 Kawhi was the best player on floor and it wasn't close, which was a big reason MIA lost by a finals RECORD margin. These are some nasty stains on his resume and Nick Wright is trying to tear down MJ to make them look comparable.

  • @harrygarris6921
    @harrygarris6921 7 років тому +14

    People tend to remember guy's accomplishments years after they retire, not their shortcomings. I think in 20 years we're gonna look at the careers of guys like Lebron and Kobe a lot more favorably than we do now and recognize how great they were.

    • @GmoneyMozart
      @GmoneyMozart 7 років тому

      Harry Garris nope. Kobe is already out of. E discussion. Lebron will be too. These guys aren't as good as Jordan and never will be.

  • @david.tousignant20
    @david.tousignant20 6 років тому +157

    Why people always brought those two comments :
    1) MJ would have won 8 rings in a row?
    Chicago Bulls lost Horace Grant to the Orlando Magic. Who Chicago had in 1995 to stop Shaquille O'Neal & Horace Grant? Nobody.
    And Jordan committed two clutch turnovers in the elimination game in 1995 versus Orlando.
    Once again, Jerry Reinsdorf signed Rodman in 1996. They beat Orlando. No Rodman's rebounding or defensive anchor, no ring.
    2) MJ never missed the playoffs. LeBron James wasn't on the race his first two years...
    Chicago Bulls made the playoffs with those records :
    * 38-44 in 1985;
    * 30-52 in 1986.
    The East wasn't as stacked as people want you to believe.

    • @kingkaisauce5718
      @kingkaisauce5718 6 років тому +20

      Dave Toussaint
      Ppl don't like truth

    • @david.tousignant20
      @david.tousignant20 6 років тому +17

      Kingkai Sauce
      People never love thruth.
      The fans were acting the same way back in the 1980s.
      "Jordan would'nt survived back in the days"... Bla bla bla.
      "WILT WOULD destroyed him"
      We're seeing the same phenomenon 30 years later. We haven't changed from the last 30 years!

    • @kingkaisauce5718
      @kingkaisauce5718 6 років тому +12

      Dave Toussaint
      IkR...
      It's like saying Curry isn't that great of a shooter, you'd have to be
      A. A Hater
      Or
      B. Don't watch basketball
      Truth is truth..
      I would say Lbj is either = or Greater..
      Mj wouldn't won that much with out Sottie or Rod, facts..
      Lbj wouldn't won that much with out others showing up and playing great too.

    • @tonyroca279
      @tonyroca279 6 років тому +6

      Such a WEAK argument, as if the Bulls wouldn't have made any moves, like saying the Warriors would never beat the Cavs if they didnt get Durant, as if that is the only move they could have made.

    • @david.tousignant20
      @david.tousignant20 6 років тому +10

      Tony Roca
      Rewatch the 1996 series versus Orlando and Seattle.
      When MJ and the Bulls had a bad shooting night. Who was there to collect the offensive rebounds? Dennis Rodman.
      He had many games in those two series where he had at least 8 offensive rebounds.
      Versus Seattle, Rodman gathered 6.8 offensive rebounds per game from game 1 to 6!
      Shaquille O'Neal shot only 38% when guarded by Rodman.
      So, yes. Without Rodman, no ring in 1996.
      That's not an argument, that's a fact enforced by Reinsdorf & Phil Jackson.
      You won as a team. Jordan never got out of the first round without a solid cast around him. That's normal. It's 5 vs 5!

  • @KabutungKabayo
    @KabutungKabayo 4 роки тому +2

    To those of you who are saying that the Bulls swept the Magic in the ECF the following year are discrediting the fact that the Bulls acquired Ron Harper, a tall point guard and elite defender to help MJ and Scottie guard Penny and also acquired Dennis Rodman to help out with guarding Shaq.

    • @mrhoward19801
      @mrhoward19801 3 роки тому

      Even though they lost to the Magic in 95 with Harper..... cool story bro

  • @gregthomas3137
    @gregthomas3137 7 років тому +24

    finally a media guy said what I've been saying for years. It's not Jordan hate to point these things out, it's being more complete in his narrative and more objective

    • @GmoneyMozart
      @GmoneyMozart 7 років тому +1

      Greg Thomas It's arguing with no context.

    • @joshchessor1931
      @joshchessor1931 6 років тому

      complete foolishness if u even argue LeBron is in the same league as mj ur ignorant of the game. Jordan never melted n the finals and against way tougher defenses that truly roughed u up. LeBron will never get another ring. he's lost more finals than he's won. he's not an assassin like Mike or kobe. he's a great player who will always be top five at best only

  • @TheHerdOnFS1
    @TheHerdOnFS1  7 років тому +1172

    Do you think Nick Wright is right about Michael Jordan?

    • @stefanmilosavljevic2219
      @stefanmilosavljevic2219 7 років тому +137

      Colin Cowherd yep. No one ever talk about MJ losses

    • @colinsushiboy2457
      @colinsushiboy2457 7 років тому +35

      I don't see LBJ even getting to six titles. Maybe he'll be a more successful regular season player than Jordan in points. LBJ has half the titles as Jordan. Way to early for goat debates

    • @jonashammar5273
      @jonashammar5273 7 років тому +17

      @Colin
      1. Thank you for the best sport discussion show! You have the best people in the studio and I like the tone of the discussions.
      I agree 100% with Nick. My only critics is that 99% of what he said was first spoken by Shannon on "Undesputed" would have been nice if he gave credit to Shannon for that.
      But I agree and its important that good analysts as Nick start spread that Lebron is at same level as MJ.
      For be ... a hard core MJ fan, I have to say that LBJ is even better than MJ! In a teamsport the main skill I value is if a player make the other fellow player better or not!
      I also value stars that give credit to fellow players! LBJ do it but MJ rarely did it.

    • @sadjetsfan1584
      @sadjetsfan1584 7 років тому +69

      Not really- a lot of his statements need to be put in context. Sure, Jordan lost in the first round 3 times, but he lost before his prime to a 59-win Bucks team and Bird's celtics without another star on the Bulls roster. Zero chance of winning those series. And about Nick's point regarding Jordan not being able to beat the Magic in 95, it's disingenuous to say that Jordan was officially back. That year, his scoring was way below what we had last seen in 1993, and he was shooting horribly from the field, going from a consistent 50+ percent to low 40s. Completely unfair to say that Jordan was back on the basis of one 55-point game. In the same way that Lebron should not deserve blame for losing in 2007, 2014, and 2015, since there wasn't much of a chance that he could realistically win those series, Nick needs to put Michael's early failures and that 1995 loss into context. Otherwise he's feeding us misleading information.

    • @rgtrojan13
      @rgtrojan13 7 років тому +60

      No comparison Lebron plays in a horrible east! Without Kyrie and Ray Allen what would we be saying about that legacy.. Nick is obsessed with Lebron

  • @Uncadoo
    @Uncadoo 3 роки тому +17

    I remember when Jordan came into the league. The knock against him was he couldn't get by Bird, which was absolutely right. Jordan benefited from league expansion that put 6 New teams in the league in the1990s. Good, but no Wilt,Magic, Dr. J, or several others I would put in front of him.

    • @jabe9672
      @jabe9672 2 роки тому +4

      Yeah why would people forgot about how good Magic, Bird, Wilt are? Wilt even said it in front of MJ when they are taking about who is the best and most dominate, Wilt told MJ that the NBA changed the rules so he can't dominate while the NBA changed rules so MJ can dominate, you know what MJ's response is? nothing, Nada, Zip cause its true and he knows he will not hold a candle to Wilt if they clash.

    • @tony16harris
      @tony16harris Рік тому +1

      @@jabe9672 Bro Michael Jordan was literally in the league for three years during Boston's prime and the Bulls were already better than the Celtics by his 4th year. Lebron didnt even make the playoffs his first two years. Stop the BS

    • @jabe9672
      @jabe9672 Рік тому

      @@tony16harris Bruh MJ never won against prime Celtics hahaha

    • @cartershane339
      @cartershane339 Рік тому

      @@tony16harris Jordan NEVER beat the prime bird Celtics OR the prime Lakers team

  • @theproperenglishman
    @theproperenglishman 7 років тому +240

    I think many people just worship Jordan because he is the best marketed athlete ever. Indoctrination is a powerful thing.

    • @stoneytokes4713
      @stoneytokes4713 6 років тому +10

      theproperenglishman FACTSSS

    • @davibaby2012
      @davibaby2012 6 років тому +26

      Nope. Check the body of work and the rings... the marketing is a by-product of winning my friend.

    • @dontfall2476
      @dontfall2476 6 років тому +7

      davibaby2012 rings is a team effort. So that won't count, unless his teammates were terrible, which isn't true.

    • @theneokenshin
      @theneokenshin 6 років тому +5

      people just respects his Crazy competitiveness even playing at 40years old. i will consider lebron as great as him when i see him play at 38, schooling the new generation.

    • @bretmaverick9434
      @bretmaverick9434 6 років тому +5

      Dre H winning "won't count"??? And, rings are a team effort but Finals MVP'S are not.

  • @OceanSprayX
    @OceanSprayX 7 років тому +255

    1) MJ had a better team than LBJ ever did. In fact, MJ had a better team than any other player not named Magic or Bird. Scottie Pippen was a better playmaker and the greatest perimeter defender in NBA history. Horace Grant was an elite defender. MJ's team had the best team in NBA for many years and he beat terrible Finals opposition. Dennis Rodman is the greatest rebounder in NBA history and also an elite defender. So MJ had the greatest rebounder on his team and two of the greatest defenders in NBA history and he beat:
    Weak Lakers team that was way past their prime. Definitely not showtime Lakers.
    Weak Sonics team.. C'mon, Shawn Kemp and GP?
    Great Jazz team but they clearly weren't better than the Bulls.
    Good Phoenix Suns team but all they had was Charles Barkley.
    None were all-time legendary teams. When you talk about the greatest teams in NBA history, none of those Finals teams match up. LeBron faced two-all time great NBA teams. Jordan faced zero opposition -- which is why his Finals record is so great.
    2) Some guy mentioned that the Bulls overhauled their roster.. What does that have to do with ANYTHING? Every team would do the same if their best player left.. the fact is, Bulls replicated nearly the same amount of wins by replacing Jordan with scorers. By that logic, you're telling me Jordan is replaceable? Because last I checked, Cleveland and Miami tried replacing LeBron and how did that turn out? Cleveland went from the best league record to the 2nd worst and lost the most amount of games in the four seasons LeBron left. Miami went from the best team in the East by far, to a team that hasn't made the playoffs since and now, looks like a lottery team.
    3) LeBron has achieved more by age 32 than Jordan has. He will surpass Jordan in every statistical category and we all know LeBron deserved just as many MVP's as Jordan did. As for rings, time will tell but Jordan never had to deal with a Warriors squad that will be wrecking havoc for years to come. That's why if LeBron wins one or two more rings, I would say he has equaled or surpassed Jordan. Btw, LeBron has an opportunity to become the greatest scorer in points in NBA history. This is from someone who has NEVER made scoring a priority but only because he had to become a scorer due to his teams not having the capacity to do so.
    4) Why is it people forget that MJ went seven seasons and only won one playoff game but we call him the undisputed GOAT because he somehow began winning when his teammates became better? The fallacy of Jordan's greatness is overstated. He was a loser before Pippen came and that's the fact. NBA had to propel Jordan's legacy because large corporations were involved such as Gatorade and Nike. NBA had a brand to protect and that brand was Jordan.
    5) Stop arguing about how tough defense was back then. No, not every game ended in a fight and there were MORE foul calls back then than there is now. Go look it up if you don't believe it. Not to mention that although they did foul harder, that didn't mean the defense was better. The game today is more sophisticated than ever because the floor is spaced much farther and thus, defense and offense involve more schemes and plays. Don't forget that zone defense has made it more difficult for NBA superstars to score and attack the paint. Jordan benefited from the 1v1 coverage that prevented defenders from leaving their man on defense. The help always came too late because they were NOT allowed to prey on a single player. Nowadays, you can leave your man wide open and triple team a player from any point of the game.
    I'm not debating that MJ isn't the GOAT. He is. But to say no other player can surpass him is laughable. LeBron James is the second greatest player today and has the greatest opportunity to surpass Jordan.
    KAJ was great but won one ring until Magic came along. He never carried a team the way LeBron had to.
    Magic was great but he relied on KAJ and his amazing stacked team as well. Which is why since KAJ retired, Magic never won another ring. Much of his game relied on KAJ's presence.
    Bird was great but he also had terrible playoff performances -- which is why he wasn't the Finals MVP for one of those Finals. He had playoff seasons where if social media was alive and well back then, then Bird would be labeled a choker. People kept saying Bird is clutch but only because of a few shots. Wanna take a look at his overall playoff record? It wasn't impressive. Plus, he had a short career.
    Kobe? Sorry, but he wasn't the best player on his team for three of those rings and I find it difficult to believe that no other superstar of that time (AI, Vince Carter, T-Mac) wouldn't have won with Shaq.
    The point is, LeBron James is coming for the GOAT and you best believe, another ring will solidify his place as an All-Time NBA GOAT #1.

    • @lildtheladiesman4928
      @lildtheladiesman4928 7 років тому +8

      Ocean Spray Bill Russell has 11 rings so what's your point no matter if LeBron James gets another ring or not he'll never be better than Michael Jordan this era is weak compared to when Jordan played that's the only reason why LeBron James made it to 6 straight finals and besides Michael Jordan never left the Bull's to win a championship unlike LeBron James
      Played for Cleveland 2003-10 played in the 06-07 finals lost to the Spurs left to go too Miami as a free agent.
      Miami Heat 2010-14 played in 4 finals and won half of those finals left as free agent once again and resigned with
      Cleveland 2014-present lead them to the finals the last 2 years and won one of them.
      No matter how tough it got for Jordan he stayed with the bulls until he got him some help and won 6 rings Michael Jordan done way more than LeBron James it will never be another player like Michael Jordan pbp.

    • @boivee03
      @boivee03 7 років тому +7

      Ocean Spray very well said

    • @infinitezero4174
      @infinitezero4174 7 років тому +7

      Ocean Spray LeBron had to go to another superstar's team to win championships. Two superstars and he still lost 2 Finals. His legacy is forever tarnished because of that. He'll never. be better than MJ. Sorry.

    • @jaxsonlee10
      @jaxsonlee10 7 років тому +10

      InfiniteZero417 His legacy isn't tarnished at all. if MJ had seen comp like the spurs he would've lost too. MJ also had a hof'er in pippen an elite defender in Grant a all star pg in Armstrong and a hof Coach. plus he played and won in the nba's weakest era.

    • @Marlowe10100
      @Marlowe10100 7 років тому +4

      Some of the points you statded are true, Lebrons body of work (career) might end superior than MJ's but the reality is that Jordan is much more talented, it's quicker, with that first step, his leaping ability, his fadeaway, his defense, steals, he is a real clutch performer, unlike Lebron (although the last year he played clutch), MJ's moves are far superior and is much more fun to watch.
      Also, I've been watching Lebron's games, and almost no one defend's him, when he wants to drive, the defenders let him go so easy or just make the foul on purpose, and when someone defends Lebron he struggles a lot, nowhere near the scoring ability of Jordan.
      Another point is that Lebron's path to the finals in the eastern conference is much more easy than Jordan's, the only good rival he has had was the Boston Celtics with the big three, but all out of their primes. Obviously if Garnett, Pierce and Allen played in their primes they would have won like 5 championships.
      In conclusion, Lebron might end with a great career, even better than Jordan's, (although I don't think he is gonna win another 3 rings, and in totals he will surpass Jordan but no in averages), but MJ is still the GOAT just because he is the better basketball player, please watch the videos!!!

  • @marquitos_98
    @marquitos_98 7 років тому +21

    Most easily triggered fans: Jordan's and Lebron's

    • @P5ych1c
      @P5ych1c 7 років тому +9

      Markers Kobe and Curry

    • @imjj5826
      @imjj5826 7 років тому

      Matt the Backwards One People blast curry fans nonstop, never seen a triggered curry fan though.

    • @P5ych1c
      @P5ych1c 7 років тому +1

      Jay Tran Idk what rock you've looked under. I see them everywhere, whining about how the NBA is rigged

    • @yutathehakislayer4720
      @yutathehakislayer4720 7 років тому

      +Shan Lo na 1on 1 Kobe goat

    • @aalewis30
      @aalewis30 7 років тому +1

      Kobe's and Jordan's fans are the easiest to Trigger...especially Kobe fans who witness the last 8 years of his career and never seen a minute of Jordan play.

  • @droolalot5795
    @droolalot5795 7 років тому +16

    Chamberlain is best basketball player ever........ Do your research

  • @jovehnic0709
    @jovehnic0709 6 років тому +4

    My boy had the best thing to say about Jordan’s career. It’s like cake mix, you don’t gotta add nothing to it to make it better. When people try to change the narrative of his story it actually hurts his story.

  • @evillebron627
    @evillebron627 7 років тому +8

    I want to respect women when they talk sports but they make it so hard sometimes.

  • @vinceluoh9
    @vinceluoh9 7 років тому +193

    I love how he says Jordan beat the Pistons when they got old. When did Lebron beat the Celtics? When KG, Allen, and Pierce got old as well.

    • @PocketMr7901Ladray
      @PocketMr7901Ladray 7 років тому +23

      Vince Luoh lol they won the ship the year b4 had almost the same team and got swept I guess the magic got old from 95 to 96 kus he did the same to them

    • @jas7374
      @jas7374 7 років тому

      None of those teams won any chips either... Hmmm

    • @jas7374
      @jas7374 7 років тому

      Well.. Not AFTER they got old anyways so to speak

    • @iamhexoronii
      @iamhexoronii 7 років тому +8

      Vince Luoh I think we can all agree if you though lebron beating the celtics was amazing then your a joke lol and besides the MAIN reason he finally
      Won against them was because he had bosh and wade , but yea no ones saying that was a major accomplishment lol they were the favors

    • @PocketMr7901Ladray
      @PocketMr7901Ladray 7 років тому +1

      Wehere323 exactly

  • @jeremyroach9389
    @jeremyroach9389 6 років тому +144

    Wow this is fax

    • @SuperSparrow45
      @SuperSparrow45 6 років тому +8

      Nick Wright is as good at stating facts as you are at spelling.

    • @ndleinahaystack2922
      @ndleinahaystack2922 6 років тому +6

      alpha omega no excuses homie. If they would've won you would've been talking hella noise. Stop it! Baseball shape.. Smh

    • @ndleinahaystack2922
      @ndleinahaystack2922 6 років тому +9

      alpha omega cut it out again... The only reason they won was because they went out and got Rodman. Facts!

    • @SuperSparrow45
      @SuperSparrow45 6 років тому

      Same logic applies to LeBron, who has failed to win 5 times already, and he hasn't retired and come back to a sport after not playing it for nearly 2 seasons (game or practice).

    • @charlieharris103
      @charlieharris103 6 років тому +2

      ndleinahaystack they didn't just get Rodman, but Kukoc and Kerr also became much more efficient players by moving to the bench. Kukoc was third on the team in scoring and won sixth man of the year and Steve Kerr could move from starting PF to bench SG

  • @damienag2026
    @damienag2026 6 років тому +17

    Fact fact fact! Love it. Most TV analysts nowadays are so biased, it’s disgusting.

    • @legendarywiimaster
      @legendarywiimaster Рік тому

      Including Nick Wrong

    • @SuperSparrow45
      @SuperSparrow45 Рік тому

      Bruh, Nick Wright is one of the most INSANELY biased "analysts" on TV today for sports. Dude goes out of his way to constantly move the goalposts to glorify LeBron's accomplishments, while downplaying Jordan's. He's a massive hypocrite.

    • @damienag2026
      @damienag2026 Рік тому

      @@SuperSparrow45 Where do you put Skip Baseless. 😂

  • @connormarquez6399
    @connormarquez6399 7 років тому +190

    Dont agree with lebron ever being better. But agree with the exaggeration that we have of MJ

    • @connormarquez6399
      @connormarquez6399 7 років тому +1

      Tod Wilkinson You probably havent seen my other post where i was ranting about the eastern conference back in the day actually competed, and now its just a bunch of lousy teams so where ever lebron goes they will slide right through to the finals every year. Jordan had to fight through the east then beat some other stronghold in the west.

    • @josephjohnroe3678
      @josephjohnroe3678 6 років тому +15

      "The golden age"???? Seriously? Which teams were golden? The Knicks? Pacers? Utah? Ho back and look at those rosters, they were horrible. There were too many teams added in a short period of time and the league was watered down. None of those teams back then had multiple super stars other than Utah, and the rest of their roster were below average role players. He played one team, the Magic, who had more than one legitimate super star and a supporting cast. He was 1 and 1 against them in the playoffs. I know Jordan fans don't like to remember him being stripped by Anderson and costing them the game, but it happened.

    • @dmmeurhate6759
      @dmmeurhate6759 6 років тому

      Joseph Johnroe
      Oh you mean the year he came back HALF WAY IN THE SEASON from a 2 year layoff from NOT playing basketball? You Jordan haters sure like to not talk about that...like how you clowns don't talk bout how Lebron had to join 2 top 10 players and Ray Allen to try to win and still lost in the finals. Ya sure don't talk bout this WATER DOWN LEAGUE LeBron is playing where you can't play defense...here's another one...LeBron went 7 games without any fouls being called on him....NBA for the oast 14 years has been a WATERED DOWN LEAGUE.

    • @dmmeurhate6759
      @dmmeurhate6759 6 років тому

      Joseph Johnroe
      Knicks had 2-3 HOF ers, Utah had another 3 HOFs, Sonic's had another 2 HOFrs...I can keep going the amount of HOF Jordan played and didn't let win ANY titles. How many HOFrs are in Knicks now? How about toronto? How about Celtics? Mavs, warriors, Spurs wouldn't even see a game 7 vs the Bulls for Jordan would of beat them in 6games or less. LeBron? LMFAO LeBron is the P.Manning of the NBa CHOCKING and a Losing record in the title games

    • @dmmeurhate6759
      @dmmeurhate6759 6 років тому

      Joseph Johnroe
      Knicks had Ewing, Oakly, Mason, Starks those alone in today's NBA would be the best 4 starting of all NBA right now and I hate the Knicks lol

  • @stopingcatfishaccountssinc4219
    @stopingcatfishaccountssinc4219 7 років тому +8

    When LBJ career Is done he will be goat Enjoy the next 5-7 years Jordan fans

  • @richardsypertjr.5021
    @richardsypertjr.5021 6 років тому +5

    MJ had a perfect team!!.. People don't want to embrace that fact. MJ would not be winning in Lebron's place because he did not do it in his own career in similar circumstance..MJ won when he had a GREAT TEAM!!!

    • @AD-eq4kn
      @AD-eq4kn 5 років тому

      LeBron has had more talent on his teams than Jordan

    • @MonkeyDJC
      @MonkeyDJC 3 роки тому

      @@AD-eq4kn i would pick jordan's team over lebron's team ..

    • @iillestrs2153
      @iillestrs2153 2 роки тому

      @@AD-eq4kn mj never took a team like lebrons 07 cavs to a finals , plain and simple. Jordan got bounced in the first round with those kind of rosters, or didn’t make the playoffs at all.

  • @utkarsh4386
    @utkarsh4386 5 років тому +3

    Out of all the teams jordan faced while winning championships, the only team he faced that was good was the Orlando Magic led by Shaq and Penny Hardaway and he lost. Imagine what the San Antonio Spurs led by coach Pop and the warriors would have done to him.

    • @aidanparrott1810
      @aidanparrott1810 4 роки тому

      Utkarsh Dave Sahni I didn’t know that the 60+ win Jazz with MVP Malone and Stockton, the 64 win Sonics with Payton, Kemp, Schrempf, and Hawkins, and teams led by MVP Magic, MVP Barkley, Clyde Drexler, and 2 time defending champion pistons weren’t good

    • @yupadej4361
      @yupadej4361 4 роки тому +1

      Pop would have shut him and his iso ball down. In this era he would be like a less skilled Harden getting shut down by 6'8 wings like the Klaw or Paul George or even a large ball handlers like Ben Simmons in the playoffs.

  • @ohmyassoff1087
    @ohmyassoff1087 7 років тому +210

    100% correct. Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time, and probably will be even when Lebron retires. But they hype him up way too much to be greater than he actually is. He's the greatest player, but he is not perfect

    • @VeliThaDon
      @VeliThaDon 7 років тому

      Boogie Cousins #MakeNBAFairAgain I'm not so sure. The problem is that the media has been trying to create the next Jordan since before he even retired from the bulls. So they've kept comparing players to him. Think about it. Grant Hill, Kobe, Lebron, etc. I don't think he's overrated as much as other NBA legends are underrated. The top 5 players of all time were just so far above the competition that it's crazy. Lebron will be underrated in the next 20 years by people who never saw him play.

    • @keydaman
      @keydaman 7 років тому

      VeliThaDon best answer I've heard yet.

    • @MrMuaythai84
      @MrMuaythai84 7 років тому

      they did same to lebron hen eh came into the nba

    • @demarcusmack2950
      @demarcusmack2950 7 років тому +2

      Boogie Cousins #MakeNBAFairAgain I agree but every record is made to be broken. Jordan is like the Bruce Lee of basketball because ppl think there is absolutely no one else on earth that can do what they did and do it better n I'm a die hard Jordan fan for life

    • @josellosa9799
      @josellosa9799 7 років тому

      Henry Street - jordan is the greatest because of how he got his stats, sure he had pippen who was a great team player but he wasn't a closer like how jordan was. jordan won 6 rings in style with his amazing offensive techniques that players til this day are trying to mimic. jordan at 38 scored 50. he was all finesse and always put on a show with his flashy moves, I was always entertained. lebron does not have that in him. there may be another player out there to surpass jordan but it's not lebron

  • @BKrispy1
    @BKrispy1 7 років тому +10

    PREACH!!!

  • @wintodayyou
    @wintodayyou Місяць тому +1

    Russell, Wilt & Kareem hold the records for basketball. MJ holds the record for shoe brand.

  • @neeks6966
    @neeks6966 6 років тому +1

    I think Nick is fried in the thumbnail 🤣🤣

  • @ruebenscott8595
    @ruebenscott8595 7 років тому +17

    where is the rest of this

  • @josephharris4974
    @josephharris4974 7 років тому +14

    I will give Lebron this, he's made an impact of a similar scale to MJ and I am pretty sure it was hard for anyone to think that anyone could match that once Jordan had his 2nd retirement. I was definitely not happy to see Curry win unanimous MVP because I think everyone can agree with me that Lebron could literally go to any team in the NBA and not only get that team immediately to the playoffs, but at least a Conference Finals playoff appearance as well over Curry. In other words, Lebron is more an MVP than Curry because (1) If Lebron got hurt, the Cavs would clearly be more hurt by his injury than if the Warriors lost Curry, (2) Lebron can literally play every position in basketball at an All-Star level (granted Curry's size prevents him from doing that), and (3) Lebron has dealt with higher expectations than anyone else in the NBA because he had all eyes on him from Day 1 in the NBA and it's safe to say he's lived up to those high expectations. In summary, I don't think Lebron will ever surpass Jordan, but I do think Lebron will make the most compelling argument for that than anyone else in NBA history once his career is said and done.

    • @iortizjunior
      @iortizjunior 6 років тому

      Joseph Harris Lebron got robbed of unanimous MVP in 2013 when that one person gave a vote to Carmelo. Lebron was absolutely dominant that year.

    • @derekbanks7377
      @derekbanks7377 9 місяців тому

      And the only reason why he wouldn’t pass MJ has nothing to do with basketball in general but everything MJ is burnt in people minds and they will not let it go!! Ever!!

  • @yellowman617
    @yellowman617 6 років тому

    her face a tha end lmao

  • @vegeta4president980
    @vegeta4president980 6 років тому +7

    Completely agree, nobody ever talks about anything negative when it comes to Jordan.... but so quick to name everything negative about Lebron !

  • @willowandluka5302
    @willowandluka5302 7 років тому +8

    Get this man on First Take please

  • @TheDefenseIsUpNext
    @TheDefenseIsUpNext 7 років тому +91

    Nick Wright is top dog for calling out what we ALL know about these Jordan sycophants.

    • @TheSwagIsBack
      @TheSwagIsBack 7 років тому +3

      Sabelo Masemola he isnt

    • @alexadajar7294
      @alexadajar7294 7 років тому

      Sabelo Masemola , how old are you? You must of not watched Jordan back in the day or your 18years old

    • @TheDefenseIsUpNext
      @TheDefenseIsUpNext 7 років тому +2

      alex adajar typically weak argument from a Jordan sycophant. I guess you're gonna make the argument that viewing Jordan on VHS is so much more different than watching a Jordan game on UA-cam. We watch footage bruh. Come up with something better.

    • @sportsfanatic1936
      @sportsfanatic1936 7 років тому

      Sabelo Masemola Yup.

    • @youngreezy9437
      @youngreezy9437 7 років тому +1

      Sabelo Masemola Dude Nick Wright is a die hard bias LeBron fan, PERIOD. He has the 3 characteristics to prove it, He questions Jordan's greatness but still admits that he's the best player of all time, doesn't state how WEAK the eastern conference is now compared to when Jordan played, and to lastly he HATES Steph Curry.........nuff said

  • @dallasirushing
    @dallasirushing 7 років тому +6

    Thank you. I always try to make those points. This dude's on point.

  • @Dontresssmith3757
    @Dontresssmith3757 2 роки тому +2

    MJ stans Dont like to hear the facts nick was cookin 💥💥💥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @BigRuben205
    @BigRuben205 7 років тому +5

    Straight FAX.

  • @mykalmcdo
    @mykalmcdo 7 років тому +49

    Facts

  • @tomswill9189
    @tomswill9189 3 роки тому

    Thank you Nick

  • @chancemholton6611
    @chancemholton6611 5 років тому

    Good point..

  • @erikhopkins9488
    @erikhopkins9488 7 років тому +8

    Nick Wright is totally wrong. Jordan dominated. This is not a debate.

    • @darien5866
      @darien5866 7 років тому

      Erik Hopkins compared to the players lebron has gone up against. Like come on mjs competition was not even close

    • @Official-oi7yn
      @Official-oi7yn 7 років тому

      +&1 How old are you? competition wasn't very good, y'all goofy fr

    • @Official-oi7yn
      @Official-oi7yn 7 років тому

      +Lîght's Øût It's Øvér *you

  • @njeentertainment4202
    @njeentertainment4202 7 років тому +5

    There are so many lies about Jordan

  • @TraderHelp101
    @TraderHelp101 6 років тому +21

    Jordan 1-9 In playoffs with out pippen
    So for all the people that say Pippen only won because of Jordan
    Well ?

    • @ultimatepaine6401
      @ultimatepaine6401 4 роки тому +1

      Trader Help 101 l
      Lebron James 0 titles without another superstar teammate.

    • @omnipepper3665
      @omnipepper3665 4 роки тому

      Aaron9 dude shut up. It’s summer vacation

    • @matthewbenjamin2438
      @matthewbenjamin2438 3 роки тому

      He also never jumped to stacked up super teams did he?

  • @bernardking9603
    @bernardking9603 7 років тому

    Man watching this right now is gold lol

  • @jaysheat631
    @jaysheat631 7 років тому +5

    I agree with him 100%....how can u argue facts

  • @spainengland1
    @spainengland1 7 років тому +6

    I wanted to hear kristine had to say

  • @RG-ct6qz
    @RG-ct6qz 2 місяці тому +1

    Who is surpassing Wilt? Russell?
    Nobody.

  • @evaclark4300
    @evaclark4300 Рік тому +4

    Nick is so much more respectful to Jordan fans than Jordan fans are towards anyone who disagrees with them.

  • @dirkezy
    @dirkezy 7 років тому +11

    jordan played a better generation than bron..they weren't as athletic but bb iq and team ball was better.everyone is about a brand and their stats

    • @each1teach1academy43
      @each1teach1academy43 7 років тому +8

      When the elite teams and players where around in 80s bulls did nothing till they got old and washed up. Look at the teams he played against in finals would you call those teams elite?

    • @TheSwagIsBack
      @TheSwagIsBack 7 років тому +1

      NBK Academy wrong, it was just all jordan that's why

    • @alstonbrogdon5176
      @alstonbrogdon5176 7 років тому

      NBK Academy I'd say they were elite, elite enough to get to the finals

  • @jas7374
    @jas7374 7 років тому +123

    They clown Lebron for leaving Cleveland.... Aint that the same as getting your enemy to come and play for you. (Rodman&Jordan)

    • @MasteIsIllmatic
      @MasteIsIllmatic 7 років тому +10

      Joe 7374
      Lebron left to play with wade with whom at one point was on par with him.

    • @jas7374
      @jas7374 7 років тому +5

      Im ILLmatic Wade was NEVER put under the same pressure as Lebron. That's FACT. 2. Who is blamed for 2011 loss despite it only being his FIRST year there? Lebron. If he witnessed Buss and West give kobe "decent help" (Gasol) only to witness his own organization do the latter (Jamison) then he had ALL RIGHTS to do what he did.

    • @MasteIsIllmatic
      @MasteIsIllmatic 7 років тому +10

      Joe 7374
      Don't blame him at all for what he did. Just don't score under 10 points in the finals and try claim you are in the same place as other greats.
      Wade in 06 finals is the closest to Jordan you will get.
      Go look at that 06 Miami roster it is pathetic outside of Shaq who didn't even avg a block per game in the finals and was third at 13ppg behind freaking Antoine washed up walker. and a healthy wade won with that.
      Not to mention they could have made back to back finals run of wade was healthy and Shaq was somewhat there.
      LeBron in 2011 has no excuse. If he played like they way he did against the Warriors the first time he lost against them it would be understandable but to go out not even gunning come on.
      That's why Jordan and AI and Westbrook get over hyped love cause they go crazy Tryna win even if they skunk it up. But to fold? Smh

    • @rochambeau2111
      @rochambeau2111 6 років тому +8

      Dumbest comment award.

    • @jluis612
      @jluis612 6 років тому +1

      Joe 7374 excuses

  • @BaysidYyankees2512
    @BaysidYyankees2512 6 років тому

    This is an extremely unique look on things

  • @AFreshWordOrg
    @AFreshWordOrg 5 років тому +3

    Nick also forgets that the 93-94 Bulls team also added the third greatest player to ever come out of Europe.

  • @Mars-gh2pf
    @Mars-gh2pf 7 років тому +18

    Lebron is playing in the worst conference and has been his whole career. It's easy for him to make the finals. Jordan had it way harder in the east. Teams were way better than they are now in the east. Come on now.

    • @FourWonIsland
      @FourWonIsland 7 років тому

      Mars 1184 besides and old bad boys.... Who did the east have then? And when magic was in his prime who did he play in the west?

    • @samrichie929
      @samrichie929 7 років тому +10

      Mars 1184 yeah that's why he never lost a final because he had the better team every time , the only time lebron had the better team was against the thunder in 2012

    • @FourWonIsland
      @FourWonIsland 7 років тому +1

      Mars 1184 ppl will dissect lebron and ignore what Jordan did and didn't do. And how he was always the favorite! In every finals he was in.

    • @bryanttang1056
      @bryanttang1056 7 років тому +6

      Mars 1184 mj's bulls had losing records and still made the playoffs. lebrons old cavs had winning records and didnt make the playoffs. besides the past 3 seasons, how has the eastern conference been weak? statistically the east was much weaker when mj played

    • @lukeochoa3450
      @lukeochoa3450 7 років тому +3

      Mars 1184 it's so easy because he's so good

  • @SwaggMos16
    @SwaggMos16 7 років тому +94

    I hate these debates
    Nobody better
    Every player is great in his own era

    • @donaldbrady3850
      @donaldbrady3850 6 років тому +3

      Im_Trash yeah right. Today players can’t touch anyone on defense and the league is watered down.

    • @sjn5401
      @sjn5401 6 років тому +4

      Built Electric Fitness.. nah Jordans better

    • @Rate35
      @Rate35 6 років тому

      Im_Trash DRUGS

    • @Rate35
      @Rate35 6 років тому

      Yeah that's what the average all stars say lol

    • @Rate35
      @Rate35 6 років тому

      Built Electric Fitness Jordan is better you're right these debates are pointless

  • @ques4estas
    @ques4estas 6 років тому

    Spot on!!

  • @awesumpowerz6805
    @awesumpowerz6805 6 років тому

    I Love Nick Wright!!!

  • @guillermogarciajourdain7077
    @guillermogarciajourdain7077 7 років тому +5

    It's sad to see a show only promoting one player and dissing the rest

  • @blackricktheruler
    @blackricktheruler 7 років тому +164

    Jordan early in his career,before winning championships:28ppg as a rookie while making all nba 2nd team.2nd year breaks foot and comes back to push the Bulls in the playoffs losing to the '86 Celtics,who were 67-15,dropping 63 in a playoff game.3rd year averages 37ppg,all nba 1st yeam,4th year averages 35ppg and leads the league in steals averaging 3spg,all nba 1st team,league mvp,defensive player of the year.5th year plays point guard and averages 32,8 and 8 and almost 3spg,all nba 1st team.6th year averaged 33ppg,lead the league in steals,all nba 1st team.So in his first six years Jordan was a league mvp,defensive player of the year,5x scoring champion,2x steals leader,4x all nba 1st team,3x all defensive 1st team.But according to Nick Wright he wasn't on his way to being the GOAT🤔😂

    • @kingad8869
      @kingad8869 7 років тому +5

      Rick Scorsese thank u for throwing a bunch of numbers at us

    • @blackricktheruler
      @blackricktheruler 7 років тому +13

      Devin Pettit Numbers and accomplishments are all that you can leave behind for a generation that never saw you play.

    • @thekingmansplainer6813
      @thekingmansplainer6813 7 років тому +1

      that means nothing!

    • @blackricktheruler
      @blackricktheruler 7 років тому +9

      Demian Malcher Why not?It was all compiled in his first 6 years.People really don't believe Jordan was as good as they've heard😂😂😂

    • @JuniusR
      @JuniusR 7 років тому +3

      With all those numbers he still Lost..Lebron 1st & 2nd no play-offs because you can make the play-offs with a loosing record unlike michael. 3rd year play-offs 4rth year reach finals vs the greatest PF ever.

  • @jaxxop660
    @jaxxop660 2 роки тому

    Never in my life have I heard truer words

  • @innviewtheinnview8150
    @innviewtheinnview8150 3 місяці тому +1

    Back here in 2024 and it’s finally coming out

  • @NwoFresh
    @NwoFresh 7 років тому +13

    Lebron can't pass Jordan fam let it go

    • @Venus21300
      @Venus21300 7 років тому +6

      Ruler of Worlds why?

    • @lildtheladiesman4928
      @lildtheladiesman4928 7 років тому +2

      Ruler of Worlds Thankyou at least someone has common sense and knows the truth

  • @trapgodtank
    @trapgodtank 7 років тому +13

    I think Lebron will win 2 more at most. Hopefully he gets another MVP. 5 mvp and 5 championships will put him up there. Especially knowing his numbers are better than Jordan's

    • @jerky94
      @jerky94 7 років тому

      Jesus Bggg his regular season numbers are not better than Jordan's, and never will be if he keep coasting in the regular season, his playoff number are on par right now and will only get better

    • @trapgodtank
      @trapgodtank 7 років тому

      Emmy_10 Lebron all-round game is way better than Jordan. Lebron way better passer & rebounder. Defense I would take Lebron. Scoring is the only thing Jordan has over bron but Lebron career average is 27.

    • @kelechic.jemelumba9981
      @kelechic.jemelumba9981 7 років тому

      defense i would take Jordan in some cases they are both pretty even when it comes to defense

    • @KuroToshiro
      @KuroToshiro 7 років тому +2

      Through first 13 seasons of their careers...
      Lebron - 38,478 minutes, 26,887 points, 1,657 steals and 773 blocks... MJ - 35,887 minutes, 29,277 points, 2,306 steals and 828 blocks
      Don't underestimate MJ defensively.

    • @danielburkhardt721
      @danielburkhardt721 7 років тому +1

      OfficialRelyseMusic true but you also have to consider the way people play the game now.. way more shooting and this is harder to block than drives

  • @bigball3900
    @bigball3900 5 років тому +2

    He said it all! Jordan is great but it's no longer his court! If you don't Know to show love you will not at any back!

  • @richard6869
    @richard6869 4 роки тому +1

    When are they gonna talk about each conference in which they played in?

    • @Phoenix-pm2qr
      @Phoenix-pm2qr 4 роки тому

      They both played In the East lamooo

  • @astheskylarksings
    @astheskylarksings 7 років тому +6

    FACTS .... respect....

  • @persistentlypathetic6820
    @persistentlypathetic6820 7 років тому +116

    This Nick Wright guy is awesome. he spits straight facts. We should get this guy on First Take to debate with Skip and Max. or on Undisputed to put LeBron's biggest hater Skip bayless in his place.

    • @geekmuscle657
      @geekmuscle657 6 років тому +5

      He doesn't use any context on these "Facts" though skewing the narrative in LeBron favor because he is biased

    • @SuperSparrow45
      @SuperSparrow45 6 років тому +3

      Nick Wright is one of the biggest morons on the planet. And the fact that you actually believe the tripe that comes out of his donut masher immediately invalidates any argument you can possibly make.

    • @deucespades9416
      @deucespades9416 6 років тому

      The End Is Near him and stephan a would be scrapping over jordan comments

  • @greengatsby5829
    @greengatsby5829 5 років тому +9

    All facts.
    Just let both be great.

    • @imsljr420
      @imsljr420 4 роки тому +1

      no it's not. nick got a lot of his information wrong.

    • @DNikos
      @DNikos 4 роки тому +1

      @@imsljr420 he left out alot & he lied. Those Pistons hadn't even hit 30 yet as far as thier 3 all-stars. And then he chooses not to acknowledge the teams that had better records with hall of fame coaches like Pat Riley & an Orlando Magic team who on paper had a double digit starting 5 , younger , won 60 games & got swept by them in thier 30s fresh off a finals appearance. So much more too

    • @woo_shynen8805
      @woo_shynen8805 3 роки тому

      D' Niko but lets not act like they both didnt have bad moments in their career. Both obv top 2 of all time anyways