Honestly, cadence and stride length are pretty individual depending on how your body is made. The important things to remember for efficient technique and keeping yourself injury-free (not completely, injuries happen to everyone) is avoiding heel-striking as this exerts braking force which slows you down and puts pressure on your knees, and landing midfoot instead, which is better for your joints and gives you better forward drive. Keep your core strong, shoulders relaxed, look ahead and focus on nice, even breathing. Oh, and make sure your arms swing forwards and backwards, not across your body which can destabilise everything.
Strength training, especially with hip flexors and hamstrings dropped my 800 from a 2:08 to a 1:58 in a year. And I'm a high school sophomore. My dad is big into cadence, but my personal belief is that it will automatically improve as you get stronger and more experienced. Cadence also changes based on how tall you are and how much endurance you have.
I run a 2:05 at the moment, I've been using the stride out technique since about 2:40's in 8th grade. The only thing that is getting me faster is the strategy in the actual 800 meter during the race. For my first 3 years I tried to have my laps be the same time, now I go about a 59-1:00 first lap and try to get the second one within 2 second of the first. The biggest thing with that is my anaroebic capacity that's all the 800 is. Another big thing is the mindset of the runner that has everything to do with the runner dropping time.
Seth Breitweser interesting. I’m a 2:10 sophomore (indoor season) but didn’t feel like that was my fastest. Now that it’s outdoor, I’m trying to figure out how to get as close to 2 as possible. Will try this video strategy out, work on speed (have not worked on any major speed work), and increase my mileage
I actually tried a predictor 800m and my foreseen time was a 2:06. (Predictor: Race Pace 600m, 30s Rest, Race Pace 200m). If you’re a 2:10 8th grader, you’re on pace for state. Anyway, you’re like my friend, he was a 2:10 8th grade and made it to 2:08. His predicted time was 2:00 flat, but he hasn’t been able to get there. To break your time, I can’t really say. I don’t know if you’re more of a sprinter (fast 400m like a 54) or if you’re built more like a distance runner with speed. What most people tell me is to try different methods and see which works best. For example, getting out fast and then just coming a few seconds slower for the next lap. (58s/400m+63s/400m=2:01s) Others say sprint the 600m and just make it home after the 200. Id say that’s probably the way to go but that last 200 will feel like hell. Anyway It’s already the end of the season so I don’t know if you can try different methods. I’d recommend make sure you have good mid-distance spikes. You should be on your toes the whole or the majority of the race. Make sure to always get out fast in the beginning. If you don’t, you have to work twice as hard. I don’t know what your competition is but if you know they’re faster than you, stick with them for the entire race and at the end, kick and pass them. Make sure you’re also pumping your arms. Whenever your legs start to die, if you don’t move your arms, you’ll slow down dramatically. When you finish the 400, there’s no time to rest. So if you feel like you’re resting/chilling, make sure to go because the race will be gone in a blink of an eye.
Also, when you’re getting out, you’re just ensuring your place in the race. Don’t get out too fast because you’ll start to die. The 3rd 200m is key, so that’s when you need to really work. Also, you would need to work your 400m time. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/HSTrack/comments/2shc43/racing_strategy_a_comprehensive_guide_800m/ Also check this thread. He explains it good.
sir plz give me some idea or tipes i could not succes to incres my 800m its beinng 3 yrs to run 800m bt i could not succes to improve sir when i start run alwas my hand thai become lock and i could not success to control breathing
I was able to drastically improve my time through running cross country in the fall. During 8th grade I hit about 2:15 which is a little above average. I was running huge negatives. My first lap was usually 1:01-1:03 and droppes in the 2nd. Doing distance training between 8th and 9th pushed me 2:07 and I did very well in the state track meet. As a freshman we were hitting 40-45 miles a week and damn did that do me some good. I ran a 2:01 in track season and finished 3rd at district as a freshman. Now as a senior my PR is 1:51 My best strategy in the race was matching peoples strides. I'm about 6'3" and try to match the shorter runners cadence. It is able to district from my fatigue and allows me to keep my pace well.
As a beginner runner, running for enjoyment and not competition, I've found cadence really useful. Using the various apps I use (Fitbit, runkeeper), I've tracked how many steps per minute I've been doing during my runs, and then choosing music with a slightly faster bpm. So if my last run had a steps per minute of 160, then my next run I might choose music that averages around the 165bpm mark. It increases my cadence, and increases my pace. There are programs out there that can calculate your music files' bpm, or you can do it manually using a tap-tempo metronome. I've found this really useful to use on all my runs - even on slower recovery runs, if I choose slower music, it gets me used to running with the beat, so when I go faster I'm constantly listening for that beat, and matching my cadence to it
I know this video has been up for a year. The last time I ran an 800m race was back in 1988. When I ran, I lengthened my stride in the straights and increased cadence slightly through the turns. I was 6 ft tall. I always increased my lead in the straights. The advice in the video seems more for mile runners or perhaps female 800m runners. For high school runners, they need to find the right combination of stride length and cadence to get near or under 1:50 (boys; I don't know times for girls). My best time was 1:48.
@@averageytwatcher2060 I ended up running a 2 20 for my final race. Last season was my first time trying the 800m but now since I have the experience and extra training, I'm hoping to get under 2 10 this upcoming season
@imomar6932 that's pretty good. Any new updates? I started at a 2:25 and knocked it down to a PR of 2:03. So you definitely have potential. What's your current time?
Thanks for the video. Showed it to my athletes. I might add that increasing your cadence doesn't necessarily mean increasing your speed. Remember, you are in the business of covering the most distance in the shortest amount of time. Don't sacrifice a beautiful long stride in the name of cadence; learn to take that long stride faster not shorter. The key to good increased cadence is turnover. One part of cadence that no one ever talks about is oxygen intake. If you are moving at a faster cadence then you are using more oxygen. Your oxygen supply chain needs to be increased as well when you increase cadence. Do breathing exercises and drills. I have my girls hold their breath while doing suicides, it has increased their lung capacity immensely allowing for increased cadence for longer sustained distances without compromising stride.
@@LaloPinkman 2:26 ain't bad lol... I say if you are a boy in high school your 800 time should be 2:30 or under. Just keep working hard in practice. Do 400 workouts during practice. Keep running with distance groups. Distance workouts work on speed, endurance, and pacing. I only ran the 800 twice in relays this season and my best time is 2:19. I run hurdles this year as well. To make you feel better last year (10th grade) my 800 time was 2:42 lol. I believe in you💪
My 800 is 2:15 and watching your video helped me learn about cadence and bounce and I'll try to apply your methods to my training! I'm aiming for under 2:10 for my outdoor season opener and sub 2 at the end of the season!
With a shorter cadence, there is more time on the ground and less time in the air. With a longer cadence there is more time in the air and less time on the ground.
@@toron8635 I’m saying run comfortable. Cadence isn’t something that can be forced. But with regular training you should see an improvement in steps per minute. What they are doing here helps more with consistent pacing than anything else.
Running on your heels decreases your speed when running. You usually always will be running on the ball of your feet, and running off your toes when you want to go really fast.
Today we had practice relays for a track preparation club and I was the 800m and could only get a 400 and my entire body was cramping it was the most humiliating thing and my two coaches encouraged me to quit before track season starts..I want to prove everyone wrong
I am from Greece and I have been playing football(soccer) for 10 years and last year I run 1000 meters in 2:46 and I had the 4th place in Greece and this year 2018-2019 I continued Football(soccer) and I won the 1st place in Greece in Football (soccer) but I started again track and field and in two week I broke my record in 800 meters from 2:10 to 2:03 but my first lap was 1:02 and my second 1:01 so if someone can advise me if I should keep doing track and field instead of Football (soccer) it will be very helpful (I also forgot to say that I am 15 years old and 6" feet)
LionAlex132 you should do the one you enjoy more. or if u can manage, u can do both. im in field hockey and track and i thought i could do both but it's v hard cuz track requires consistency and hence more commitment. and im still schooling so i need time to study as well. so i chose to stick w track cuz i enjoy it more.
Either you went out too fast or you don't have enough endurance to stop decelerating so much. 25 sec difference in 800 is beyond ridiculous. To break 2:40 try 1:13-1:16 come back 1:22-1:25 the differential should be 9 second or less. When you improve the differential will be 6 secs or less.
I have about a 2:45 average 800. My coach keeps telling me that I can make it to the 2:30 before tenth grade. ( I’m in 9th grade) if anyone has any tips for me plz feel free to tell me.
Im a freshman I’ve only ran 3 races and my pr is 2:15 (800) I want to know when should it be good time to really start upping pace and how can I break 2:10 before my seasons over which is in like a month
The biggest thing for me in 8th grade were two things. Keep your cadence and run your own race. The first one is basic but very difficult too. If you can keep that “1 2 3 4” count in your head the whole race, your bound to run faster times and be more consistent. The second one is kinda tricky. In 8th grade I would always pace myself off of the guy next to me or infront of me. In longer distances this is useful, but the shorter the distance I’ve found that it is best to run your own race instead of trying to pace. 2 minutes and 30 seconds is not enough time to make pacing useful. Keep your own cadence and if you think you can pass someone, do it! Good luck!
Guys I'm so out of shape I run 3:25 on an 800 m dash... I've neglected exercise for years... What can I do to get better fast? There's a contest in July and you have to run below 2:50 to qualify (it's for beginners) and I really want to go. Any tips? I'm willing to work as much as necessary.
so what you can do is try pacing yourself. It’s easy to practice this by getting some friends to help you. As you are running the 800, have friend A. run a 400 as quick as possible and try to keep up with friend A, and on your 2nd lap have friend B run as fast as they can on the 400. Follow your friends speed, because usually a person runs 400 faster than 800.this is a great drill for you and your friends
When I was a high school freshman, I ran a 2:12 800m. Is that good? I am a sophomore rn, going into track looking to drop it to sub 2:05. Is that realistic, plus what do you think my 400 would be. I am mostly a 800 and 1600 runner but I want to know what range I should expect.
Anyhow, it’s totally realistic bro, my freshman year I ran a 2:10, last year as a sophomore I hit a 2:01, I’m now a junior, my first track meet is tomorrow , and I look to start fast and strong this season, what you have to do is break 60 in your first lap, 57-60 and your second lap between 61-65
I'm 1.78 meters tall. Which cadence should I have in my runs? And my second question,related to the first one, should I change my cadence in my speed runs and long, easy runs?
Cadence can be adjusted depending on what you're focusing on, on that training day. The biggest thing to adjust as the terrain changes will be your stride length. As far as the "right" cadence, we tend to recommend 85-90 as a jumpoff point and then adjusting from there. But this is not a hard recommendation by any means, as we don't know your running.
Thanks for the reply. I'll set my running cadence as 180 bpm in the beginning. After some practice, I'll find the best running cadence for myself, I hope :)
Really good video....I have a 6 foot 5 inch 140 lb first time trackster, loper..... he started this seaon at 238 800 ? In 2 weeks he is at 227 he can run a 60...62 400 m? Last race he went 75..72 800. He dies hard between 400 n 550 then has second wind pulls up to a tremendous 32 second finishing 200. Hates 3 and 4 mile runs loses focus. He can go 2.5 than starts shuffling. He also plays in the h.s. band he will understand cadence on a metronome. Gonna try him on some pace awareness with this. His goal is to go 205 before he graduates in 15 months. Not fast, but its a goal. Can I get him there? I was a 2:00 flat 800, .50 400. Trying to help him out... he does not get enough attention with 70 kids on the track team and 3 coaches. I gave him a strategy to stay behind the other runners on the backstrech to break a 20 mph wind. He passed the entire field on the last 250 of the slow heat and won in 226. His coach wants him to run from the front but when he does he cant break 235. Whos right? Whats up. I just bought him some 800 spikes must before his last meet. He loves them...would that take ten seconds off a p.r.? Also, no upper body strength. Would weight work help his leg speed and form and endurance or running bleachers or hill work.
ebbulk There is a lot that goes into ideal cadence. Part of it is leg length, proprtion to your total height, stride length, where on your foot you land and target pace. Just look at Olympic athletes on the men and women's side you'll see cadences of 180 to 250+ in the short running events. That said what this video is trying to push is downright wrong. If your cardiovascular limit is say 3 minute 800m, upping your cadence and changing nothing else will have you burn out long before the finish as you're moving the same mass now faster. The basic advice is shoot for about 180ish and let your body tell you if it likes longer strides or faster steps. Just keep in mind that longer strides will require more hip and ankle mobility as you're extending the back leg further back with more power.
+ebbulk - If you're just beginning, best to just shoot for 180 or there abouts. If it's 175 or 185 you end up at that's no big deal. Most trained runners will run at roughly similar cadences for any non-sprint distance. Be it a 5k or an ultra-marathon. Sprint distances will have you at faster cadences primarily due less emphasis on running energy economy (your aerobic system) and more about raw power. Olympic champions like Mo Farah are still within 0-15 spm when changing from their 3000m race to their marathon pace. In the end there's a fairly narrow cadence range that works for an individual with proper form and that won't change that much even if we're talking a 400m race or a ultra-marathon. What most beginning runners encounter is they try and transfer over their walking gait over to their running gait. What I mean by this is when you walk your front foot lands on its heel well in front of the body's center of gravity, many times with a very straight front knee. Trying to transfer this or any version similar to this to running usually leaves you more prone to injury and usually is indicated by a low(er) cadence. By forcing yourself to go to a more typical running cadence (180+) you teach your body to shorten up its stride which will usually help to have the front foot land just in front the body's center of gravity with more bend to the knee to help absorb impact. As a beginner, know that general running form is standing tall and literally falling forward from the ankles and your feet/legs are just there to catch you from falling. The more your lean forward (not at the hips but ankles) the more forward your center of gravity and the faster your pace due to now increasing your stride length - not increasing your cadence. +Oak Strength - High cadence work has it's place but arbitrarily increasing it by 20 or 30 just isn't that important for most runners. Primarily because, as you said, "as the cadence gets faster, she just goes faster." So this becomes more speed work rather than cadence drills unless the plan really is for her to hold these cadences for the entire 800m and would require the runner to shorten their stride if purely about cadence. Additionally she will likely unknowingly change her foot strike to more of a sprint stride (more on the forefoot) to accommodate the arbitrary increase in cadence and speed as it's really just changing the gait for a shorter race/training distance. Bounding or other low cadence power drills will likely help more in lowering an individual's 800m time, especially in a trained runner. A trained runner will likely found their preferred cadence for the distance but bounding will help increase distance covered every stride.
+OhAiShare great reply thanks! Very clear. Just yesterday I had an epiphany where everything seemed to line up. Never ran that easy before and I could vary the speed with my upper body (hips and a bit arms) 'instead' of my legs. I run with 180 bpm music btw.
long stride and good form is way better and more efficient for 800 bro. If you have high cadence its basically sprinting for you at 800m speed and will tire you out more quickly. Look at all the top 800m runners all long ass strides. I think rudisha even has a cadence lower than 180 on his 800m races
Yea not completely true, u don't need to go faster to have a fast cadence, ideally u should run whichever pace u want with a steady cadence of lets say 180 BPM but the more u tire the more your cadence drops if u not elite (treadmill is an option that can help this since it has steady speed) and what Andrew Zhang said is true too. A little disappointed with TRE for posting this video with obvious flaws and the guy should let the one he interviews talk more and he should work on his presentation skills too if TRE wants to keep portraying a professional look.
cadence is a debate that certainly fires runners up! We appreciate you chiming into the discussion as well. Keep in mind this video is angled towards the 800m on the track and not a general discussion on cadence (we have plenty of those already). You're correct that you can and should be running slow with a higher cadence. 180/90 is not at all a bad number to shoot for but we like to think of it as a range people run in depending on the specifics of your running goals and event.
Yes everyone learns even the pro's with open mind, but most of the time you don't learn when u at the starting line ready for the race or learning while you giving a professional presentation or at interview for a job. most of the time u learn while training for the race or after for analyzing. same for presentation etc..
TRE all true what you said but what u said should've been included in the interview so people who don't know so much are well informed and don't get confused.
Honestly, cadence and stride length are pretty individual depending on how your body is made. The important things to remember for efficient technique and keeping yourself injury-free (not completely, injuries happen to everyone) is avoiding heel-striking as this exerts braking force which slows you down and puts pressure on your knees, and landing midfoot instead, which is better for your joints and gives you better forward drive. Keep your core strong, shoulders relaxed, look ahead and focus on nice, even breathing. Oh, and make sure your arms swing forwards and backwards, not across your body which can destabilise everything.
QPRdazza thanks for sharing
You're absolutely right. In my experience forcing cadence will lead to injury higher cadence will come naturally with more fitness.
I need to fix my heel striking lol
Strength training, especially with hip flexors and hamstrings dropped my 800 from a 2:08 to a 1:58 in a year. And I'm a high school sophomore. My dad is big into cadence, but my personal belief is that it will automatically improve as you get stronger and more experienced. Cadence also changes based on how tall you are and how much endurance you have.
I run a 2:05 at the moment, I've been using the stride out technique since about 2:40's in 8th grade. The only thing that is getting me faster is the strategy in the actual 800 meter during the race. For my first 3 years I tried to have my laps be the same time, now I go about a 59-1:00 first lap and try to get the second one within 2 second of the first. The biggest thing with that is my anaroebic capacity that's all the 800 is. Another big thing is the mindset of the runner that has everything to do with the runner dropping time.
Seth Breitweser interesting. I’m a 2:10 sophomore (indoor season) but didn’t feel like that was my fastest. Now that it’s outdoor, I’m trying to figure out how to get as close to 2 as possible. Will try this video strategy out, work on speed (have not worked on any major speed work), and increase my mileage
I’m in 8th grade and running a 2:10 do u have any tips to try to get that to atleast a 2:08 because I need to be faster for state
I actually tried a predictor 800m and my foreseen time was a 2:06. (Predictor: Race Pace 600m, 30s Rest, Race Pace 200m). If you’re a 2:10 8th grader, you’re on pace for state. Anyway, you’re like my friend, he was a 2:10 8th grade and made it to 2:08. His predicted time was 2:00 flat, but he hasn’t been able to get there. To break your time, I can’t really say. I don’t know if you’re more of a sprinter (fast 400m like a 54) or if you’re built more like a distance runner with speed. What most people tell me is to try different methods and see which works best. For example, getting out fast and then just coming a few seconds slower for the next lap. (58s/400m+63s/400m=2:01s) Others say sprint the 600m and just make it home after the 200. Id say that’s probably the way to go but that last 200 will feel like hell. Anyway It’s already the end of the season so I don’t know if you can try different methods. I’d recommend make sure you have good mid-distance spikes. You should be on your toes the whole or the majority of the race. Make sure to always get out fast in the beginning. If you don’t, you have to work twice as hard. I don’t know what your competition is but if you know they’re faster than you, stick with them for the entire race and at the end, kick and pass them. Make sure you’re also pumping your arms. Whenever your legs start to die, if you don’t move your arms, you’ll slow down dramatically. When you finish the 400, there’s no time to rest. So if you feel like you’re resting/chilling, make sure to go because the race will be gone in a blink of an eye.
Also, when you’re getting out, you’re just ensuring your place in the race. Don’t get out too fast because you’ll start to die. The 3rd 200m is key, so that’s when you need to really work. Also, you would need to work your 400m time. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/HSTrack/comments/2shc43/racing_strategy_a_comprehensive_guide_800m/ Also check this thread. He explains it good.
sir plz give me some idea or tipes i could not succes to incres my 800m its beinng 3 yrs to run 800m bt i could not succes to improve sir when i start run alwas my hand thai become lock and i could not success to control breathing
I have been thinking about doing the 200m, 400m, and 800m for some time.....thanks for the strategies and training! 😊
Same...I'm trying out tomorrow
I was able to drastically improve my time through running cross country in the fall. During 8th grade I hit about 2:15 which is a little above average. I was running huge negatives. My first lap was usually 1:01-1:03 and droppes in the 2nd. Doing distance training between 8th and 9th pushed me 2:07 and I did very well in the state track meet. As a freshman we were hitting 40-45 miles a week and damn did that do me some good. I ran a 2:01 in track season and finished 3rd at district as a freshman. Now as a senior my PR is 1:51 My best strategy in the race was matching peoples strides. I'm about 6'3" and try to match the shorter runners cadence. It is able to district from my fatigue and allows me to keep my pace well.
I will try using this method. I am taller and have longer feet. I have always ran with power more than quickness.
I have about a 3 minute 800 and I'm trying to improve wish me luck
Same...I'm trying out tomorrow
I have 3:13 and I need 3mins to qualify for track😭
Zoya Hussain I used to have a 3:00 time but I improved to a 2:40
Same
@@morganfredrich9055 dang your track team must suck
As a beginner runner, running for enjoyment and not competition, I've found cadence really useful. Using the various apps I use (Fitbit, runkeeper), I've tracked how many steps per minute I've been doing during my runs, and then choosing music with a slightly faster bpm. So if my last run had a steps per minute of 160, then my next run I might choose music that averages around the 165bpm mark. It increases my cadence, and increases my pace.
There are programs out there that can calculate your music files' bpm, or you can do it manually using a tap-tempo metronome.
I've found this really useful to use on all my runs - even on slower recovery runs, if I choose slower music, it gets me used to running with the beat, so when I go faster I'm constantly listening for that beat, and matching my cadence to it
I know this video has been up for a year. The last time I ran an 800m race was back in 1988. When I ran, I lengthened my stride in the straights and increased cadence slightly through the turns. I was 6 ft tall. I always increased my lead in the straights. The advice in the video seems more for mile runners or perhaps female 800m runners. For high school runners, they need to find the right combination of stride length and cadence to get near or under 1:50 (boys; I don't know times for girls). My best time was 1:48.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
I'm currently at a 2 30 for my 800m
I'll come back at the end of my season to update how much I improved👍
This year's my 2nd year running track but my 1st year running the 800m I'm currently in sectionals I'm trying to just learn new techniques
What are you at right now
@@averageytwatcher2060 I ended up running a 2 20 for my final race. Last season was my first time trying the 800m but now since I have the experience and extra training, I'm hoping to get under 2 10 this upcoming season
You is slow and is not even can run fast. I does not respect you.
@imomar6932 that's pretty good. Any new updates? I started at a 2:25 and knocked it down to a PR of 2:03. So you definitely have potential. What's your current time?
My Garmin watch keeps telling me my cadence is slow... But it's not the one running lol! So easy to criticize.
haha. for sure. there's average cadence of your run and then there are times when you're really focusing on it. start with small focus periods first!
Your Garmin watch is an jerk. Mine just tells me my cadence no extra commentary lol Just how I like it.
Thanks for the video. Showed it to my athletes. I might add that increasing your cadence doesn't necessarily mean increasing your speed. Remember, you are in the business of covering the most distance in the shortest amount of time. Don't sacrifice a beautiful long stride in the name of cadence; learn to take that long stride faster not shorter. The key to good increased cadence is turnover. One part of cadence that no one ever talks about is oxygen intake. If you are moving at a faster cadence then you are using more oxygen. Your oxygen supply chain needs to be increased as well when you increase cadence. Do breathing exercises and drills. I have my girls hold their breath while doing suicides, it has increased their lung capacity immensely allowing for increased cadence for longer sustained distances without compromising stride.
I’m in 8th grade running a 2:32 trying to get it to 2:20 by the end of 8th grade
Edit- I’m at 2:26
nigga im a 10th grader and my time is 2:26... people like u make me feel like quitting lollll
@@LaloPinkman All you have to is sprint and go fast the whole way.
@@LaloPinkman 2:26 ain't bad lol... I say if you are a boy in high school your 800 time should be 2:30 or under. Just keep working hard in practice. Do 400 workouts during practice. Keep running with distance groups. Distance workouts work on speed, endurance, and pacing. I only ran the 800 twice in relays this season and my best time is 2:19. I run hurdles this year as well. To make you feel better last year (10th grade) my 800 time was 2:42 lol. I believe in you💪
I run a 2:19 as a 8th grader and hoping to drop it to 2:16 for state time this saturday. But good job
I’m in 8th grades and my pb is 2:20,91 and my goal is to do 2:16 this weekend
My 800 is 2:15 and watching your video helped me learn about cadence and bounce and I'll try to apply your methods to my training! I'm aiming for under 2:10 for my outdoor season opener and sub 2 at the end of the season!
Marielle Thank you!
Howd it go
Ok, so question. I'm a 2400m track runner, and I'm on the shorter (and stubbier lol) side. What would be a good cadence for me?
Angela Cyrlin 80-90 steps per foot each minute,,
@@olivia-kw6ph Oh thanks
With a shorter cadence, there is more time on the ground and less time in the air. With a longer cadence there is more time in the air and less time on the ground.
this ratio he is talking about has more to do with foot strike than how fast your legs move. Cadence isn't something to be forced.
@@CB-vx1fu I know I'm slow on dis but if your taller ur saying take shorter but fast strides
@@toron8635 I’m saying run comfortable. Cadence isn’t something that can be forced. But with regular training you should see an improvement in steps per minute. What they are doing here helps more with consistent pacing than anything else.
I enjoyed the video, the host and found the information helpful. Thank you!
basically heel strike = slow, mid-foot front-foot strike = fast?
Running on your heels decreases your speed when running. You usually always will be running on the ball of your feet, and running off your toes when you want to go really fast.
Having little bit problem in explanation
My son is a 15 y/o distance runner and is 6' tall (inseam 34", all legs). I'm trying to get him to turn over quickly, so we will try this. Thank you!
Make sure his heels comes under his butt. Don't let it kick out too far
@@thomasdematteo2281 Thanks for the advice! We'll be working on his form!
Yeah, that is pretty tall for a 15 year old, but we are all different. Heck, I’m about 5’8 and have a 32 inch inseam.
@@wisdomrose3948 you're right, we're all different :-)
@@deneicehowell i feel dumb right now but how do you measure inseam
Today we had practice relays for a track preparation club and I was the 800m and could only get a 400 and my entire body was cramping it was the most humiliating thing and my two coaches encouraged me to quit before track season starts..I want to prove everyone wrong
did u
I am from Greece and I have been playing football(soccer) for 10 years and last year I run 1000 meters in 2:46 and I had the 4th place in Greece and this year 2018-2019 I continued Football(soccer) and I won the 1st place in Greece in Football (soccer) but I started again track and field and in two week I broke my record in 800 meters from 2:10 to 2:03 but my first lap was 1:02 and my second 1:01 so if someone can advise me if I should keep doing track and field instead of Football (soccer) it will be very helpful (I also forgot to say that I am 15 years old and 6" feet)
LionAlex132 you should do the one you enjoy more. or if u can manage, u can do both. im in field hockey and track and i thought i could do both but it's v hard cuz track requires consistency and hence more commitment. and im still schooling so i need time to study as well. so i chose to stick w track cuz i enjoy it more.
LionAlex132 u seem to hv potential in both so the best advice i can give u is to continue with the one u enjoy more :)
You should join the Avengers, they lost a few members...
Is 2:17 a good 800 time for a first timer?
How old and what gender
Yes definitely
I’m a freshman trying to get sub 2 and I’m currently at 2:03 as a pb so I’m gonna use this and try to get sub 2!
Im a freshman too bro
So did you sub 2?
@@Notmyrealname333 yup 👍👍👍. 1:58-pb
i for one, have started training , it kind of helping me because i see my muscles growing and all
Guys I need help for my 800 meter my time is 2:44 and here are my splits first lap 1:09 , second lap is 1:34 any tips to help my splits
Either you went out too fast or you don't have enough endurance to stop decelerating so much. 25 sec difference in 800 is beyond ridiculous. To break 2:40 try 1:13-1:16 come back 1:22-1:25 the differential should be 9 second or less. When you improve the differential will be 6 secs or less.
@@thomasdematteo2281 thank you so much, I'm going to work really hard to get my time below 2:40
Go easy on 1st lap, then 2nd lap should be faster.Try keeping a good pace though.
@@noelchavez4296 only twice in the history of the 800 has the 2nd lap been faster. Most improvements have been made by a faster 1st lap.
@@thomasdematteo2281 you're most likely gonna be told not to go fast on first lap.
I am 12 running 2:35 i am not a 800m runner but i need to improve for the state multi event championships
I have about a 2:45 average 800. My coach keeps telling me that I can make it to the 2:30 before tenth grade. ( I’m in 9th grade) if anyone has any tips for me plz feel free to tell me.
Do xc
My splits last year were a 59 for the first lap and a 1:10 the second lap
Brah you is slow. You is not can be a runner brah.
@@jawant6039 wtf lol those splits are fast. could be more even though, i wonder how they're doing now
@@slm8263 I can does more fast then him and I has runned 800 m in 1:42
Im a freshman I’ve only ran 3 races and my pr is 2:15 (800) I want to know when should it be good time to really start upping pace and how can I break 2:10 before my seasons over which is in like a month
I ran a 2:34 but that was my freshman year and first time doing the 800
I’m a 5k -10k runner hopefully this will help me
Anyone watching this before their athletics carnival and cross country 😂😂
MY EASY RUNS AT 155-165 CADENCE
AM I WRONG?
5MINUTE PER KM
Everyone is built differently, but a good range for cadence is anywhere from 160-180.
I run at 1:04 and 4:06 I need help with my solits
wtfff
I’m running a 2:41 before track season, I want to get it to sub 2:20 by the end, any advise?
Also I’m in 8th grade.
The biggest thing for me in 8th grade were two things. Keep your cadence and run your own race. The first one is basic but very difficult too. If you can keep that “1 2 3 4” count in your head the whole race, your bound to run faster times and be more consistent. The second one is kinda tricky. In 8th grade I would always pace myself off of the guy next to me or infront of me. In longer distances this is useful, but the shorter the distance I’ve found that it is best to run your own race instead of trying to pace. 2 minutes and 30 seconds is not enough time to make pacing useful. Keep your own cadence and if you think you can pass someone, do it! Good luck!
What app is used?
Guys I'm so out of shape I run 3:25 on an 800 m dash... I've neglected exercise for years... What can I do to get better fast? There's a contest in July and you have to run below 2:50 to qualify (it's for beginners) and I really want to go. Any tips? I'm willing to work as much as necessary.
so what you can do is try pacing yourself. It’s easy to practice this by getting some friends to help you. As you are running the 800, have friend A. run a 400 as quick as possible and try to keep up with friend A, and on your 2nd lap have friend B run as fast as they can on the 400. Follow your friends speed, because usually a person runs 400 faster than 800.this is a great drill for you and your friends
Abigail thank you! This Sounds like a great idea.
when I try to open it show video for sometime &then only sound..
When I was a high school freshman, I ran a 2:12 800m. Is that good? I am a sophomore rn, going into track looking to drop it to sub 2:05. Is that realistic, plus what do you think my 400 would be. I am mostly a 800 and 1600 runner but I want to know what range I should expect.
54 or faster. If you only run 55 you will need a lot of endurance. Work on your 200 get to 25 or faster.
Hey I also make running videos!You might enjoy them too😀
Thomas Dematteo lies, 54, 55 is not necessary to hit 2:05 , I’m a junior and a 54 is what I’m trying to hit on my split to break 2 mins and get a 1:55
Anyhow, it’s totally realistic bro, my freshman year I ran a 2:10, last year as a sophomore I hit a 2:01, I’m now a junior, my first track meet is tomorrow , and I look to start fast and strong this season, what you have to do is break 60 in your first lap, 57-60 and your second lap between 61-65
Try doing 20 400m repeats, each one being between 65-72
I did a junior high 800m track meet and I got in 6th place,I was disappointed in myself but i guess it’s cool.
Thanks for the tips guy.
Please recommend shoes for 800 m
I'm 1.78 meters tall. Which cadence should I have in my runs? And my second question,related to the first one, should I change my cadence in my speed runs and long, easy runs?
Cadence can be adjusted depending on what you're focusing on, on that training day. The biggest thing to adjust as the terrain changes will be your stride length. As far as the "right" cadence, we tend to recommend 85-90 as a jumpoff point and then adjusting from there. But this is not a hard recommendation by any means, as we don't know your running.
Thanks for the reply. I'll set my running cadence as 180 bpm in the beginning. After some practice, I'll find the best running cadence for myself, I hope :)
I should’ve watched this yesterday I did 800s yesterday
Would you recommend using "Lumo Run" device?
How do we get to see more of Cam? She on Strava?
She may be featured in new videos - to be determined!
Not a bad idea. She's a cool chick. Nice!👌
What is that app called
Literally I do those same events and cross country! I don’t know why that’s cool but anyway.
I’m 13 (and a girl) and only ran the 800 twice my time was 2:49 if I keep training could i be good
Sure
Bubbly Brook ye that kinda amazing for you age do high school track
Very useful information.
Really good video....I have a 6 foot 5 inch 140 lb first time trackster, loper..... he started this seaon at 238 800 ? In 2 weeks he is at 227 he can run a 60...62 400 m? Last race he went 75..72 800. He dies hard between 400 n 550 then has second wind pulls up to a tremendous 32 second finishing 200. Hates 3 and 4 mile runs loses focus. He can go 2.5 than starts shuffling. He also plays in the h.s. band he will understand cadence on a metronome. Gonna try him on some pace awareness with this. His goal is to go 205 before he graduates in 15 months. Not fast, but its a goal. Can I get him there? I was a 2:00 flat 800, .50 400. Trying to help him out... he does not get enough attention with 70 kids on the track team and 3 coaches. I gave him a strategy to stay behind the other runners on the backstrech to break a 20 mph wind. He passed the entire field on the last 250 of the slow heat and won in 226. His coach wants him to run from the front but when he does he cant break 235. Whos right? Whats up. I just bought him some 800 spikes must before his last meet. He loves them...would that take ten seconds off a p.r.? Also, no upper body strength. Would weight work help his leg speed and form and endurance or running bleachers or hill work.
My timing is 3.24 plz help me to make it at 2.40
i struggle with stamina and strength in the legs
Interval training. 6-8 sets of 300 - 600 meters 80% strength with short rests in between. Look up interval and anaerobic workouts.
I love running I was even in the finals thanks to raadash
im slow and small i run a 3:39 800 meter any advice
sharigun how old?
@@bigmike4267 15
sharigun when do you have time to practice?
@@bigmike4267 anyday
sharigun what do you do when you train?
my pr is 2:52, praying tmr i can break 2:50 🙏
Because he’s saying just runner faster and don’t make your stride longer and to help get faster do bouncing drills
Couldn´t just say that cadence is the number of steps per minute?
I'm 15 and can do 800m in 2.42, what can I do to get better?
Run more to get stamina or try running under 60 for first lap
Xc
Thanks for the tips it helps :)
2:20 as of watching this
Goal: sub 2:10 this outdoor season
Will update when I PR
I am 12 years old and i just ran a 3:10 is that good
Indeed! Keep working hard!
Keep it up kid, try to bring your 400 splits down to 85 seconds if you're competitive, you'll be breaking 2 minutes flat in no time😀
Samuel Fennell Thanks, my first split was 85 but it slowed on the second one
I did not realise i was going so fast lol
Sam Friedman- You ultimately just have to believe you can do it and push through the pain. I think you can!
Same 😂😂
great tips
I'm not sure i buy into the whole cadence thing. I get faster times in the 800 with long powerful strides than short quick strikes.
Is it true the ideal cadence to run easily depends on the persons length as well? I'm 1,86m and try to run 180spm. Would 170 or 175 be more suitable?
ebbulk There is a lot that goes into ideal cadence. Part of it is leg length, proprtion to your total height, stride length, where on your foot you land and target pace. Just look at Olympic athletes on the men and women's side you'll see cadences of 180 to 250+ in the short running events.
That said what this video is trying to push is downright wrong. If your cardiovascular limit is say 3 minute 800m, upping your cadence and changing nothing else will have you burn out long before the finish as you're moving the same mass now faster.
The basic advice is shoot for about 180ish and let your body tell you if it likes longer strides or faster steps. Just keep in mind that longer strides will require more hip and ankle mobility as you're extending the back leg further back with more power.
I'm a beginner and not anywhere near my limit. So just aim for 180 then? I'm quite tall and heavy.
start here to improve your cadence: ua-cam.com/video/rmQ16wEIY0U/v-deo.html
+ebbulk - If you're just beginning, best to just shoot for 180 or there abouts. If it's 175 or 185 you end up at that's no big deal. Most trained runners will run at roughly similar cadences for any non-sprint distance. Be it a 5k or an ultra-marathon. Sprint distances will have you at faster cadences primarily due less emphasis on running energy economy (your aerobic system) and more about raw power. Olympic champions like Mo Farah are still within 0-15 spm when changing from their 3000m race to their marathon pace. In the end there's a fairly narrow cadence range that works for an individual with proper form and that won't change that much even if we're talking a 400m race or a ultra-marathon.
What most beginning runners encounter is they try and transfer over their walking gait over to their running gait. What I mean by this is when you walk your front foot lands on its heel well in front of the body's center of gravity, many times with a very straight front knee. Trying to transfer this or any version similar to this to running usually leaves you more prone to injury and usually is indicated by a low(er) cadence. By forcing yourself to go to a more typical running cadence (180+) you teach your body to shorten up its stride which will usually help to have the front foot land just in front the body's center of gravity with more bend to the knee to help absorb impact. As a beginner, know that general running form is standing tall and literally falling forward from the ankles and your feet/legs are just there to catch you from falling. The more your lean forward (not at the hips but ankles) the more forward your center of gravity and the faster your pace due to now increasing your stride length - not increasing your cadence.
+Oak Strength - High cadence work has it's place but arbitrarily increasing it by 20 or 30 just isn't that important for most runners. Primarily because, as you said, "as the cadence gets faster, she just goes faster." So this becomes more speed work rather than cadence drills unless the plan really is for her to hold these cadences for the entire 800m and would require the runner to shorten their stride if purely about cadence. Additionally she will likely unknowingly change her foot strike to more of a sprint stride (more on the forefoot) to accommodate the arbitrary increase in cadence and speed as it's really just changing the gait for a shorter race/training distance. Bounding or other low cadence power drills will likely help more in lowering an individual's 800m time, especially in a trained runner. A trained runner will likely found their preferred cadence for the distance but bounding will help increase distance covered every stride.
+OhAiShare great reply thanks! Very clear. Just yesterday I had an epiphany where everything seemed to line up. Never ran that easy before and I could vary the speed with my upper body (hips and a bit arms) 'instead' of my legs.
I run with 180 bpm music btw.
long stride and good form is way better and more efficient for 800 bro. If you have high cadence its basically sprinting for you at 800m speed and will tire you out more quickly. Look at all the top 800m runners all long ass strides. I think rudisha even has a cadence lower than 180 on his 800m races
7th grade and I'm at 6:23, I know it is horrible.
thats only for track
Can I.train with y'all some day
What cadence app did you use?
Shan Kaye2 any metronome app
i believe lauren williams did in excess of 300. not sue but check it out
Slow cadence looks like speedwalking
does she have a youtube
Her legs look powerful.
I run a lap at 1:37
I want to bring it down to 1:25
Looks like he did
That running app is just a metronome lol
im hard stuck at 2:21
Why does he look 30 and she looks 12
2020 eney one ?
nyashia World helloooooo
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3-4 mile easy run? There’s nothing easy about. I must be watching the wrong channel.
Make it easy by starting out with 1 mile runs transitioning to 2 mile and eventually adding more mileage at a setady comfortable pace no walking
actually about 185
Oks
intervals
Yea not completely true, u don't need to go faster to have a fast cadence, ideally u should run whichever pace u want with a steady cadence of lets say 180 BPM but the more u tire the more your cadence drops if u not elite (treadmill is an option that can help this since it has steady speed) and what Andrew Zhang said is true too. A little disappointed with TRE for posting this video with obvious flaws and the guy should let the one he interviews talk more and he should work on his presentation skills too if TRE wants to keep portraying a professional look.
We all have to learn and practice our presentation skills somewhere. Give someone credit and a little breathing room.
cadence is a debate that certainly fires runners up! We appreciate you chiming into the discussion as well. Keep in mind this video is angled towards the 800m on the track and not a general discussion on cadence (we have plenty of those already). You're correct that you can and should be running slow with a higher cadence. 180/90 is not at all a bad number to shoot for but we like to think of it as a range people run in depending on the specifics of your running goals and event.
Yes everyone learns even the pro's with open mind, but most of the time you don't learn when u at the starting line ready for the race or learning while you giving a professional presentation or at interview for a job. most of the time u learn while training for the race or after for analyzing. same for presentation etc..
TRE all true what you said but what u said should've been included in the interview so people who don't know so much are well informed and don't get confused.
No i'm not perfect but i do my best and preparations
I got today 4 minutes for 800
I can only do 800 in 2 minutes
800m running
Jasmine running tips
2.58
She's cute
Is that all your thinking of in this video?
Salt Saltiness no but some people just have there opinions
Bxby_John true
Is this Comedy
this guy needs help..
I have that jacket😅